How can you tell which grey extraterrestrials are good, which are bad?

[wnlight]

How can do you tell which grey extraterrestrials are good, which are bad? That is, without waiting for them to make the first move. :-) I have not had such an encounter, but am simply wishing to know ahead of time.

If this question has already been asked and answered, I apologise for the duplication.

[Inversion]

You could ask them if they're service to self or a service to others group. There are different factions of Grays and some are subservient to the Reptilians. The Grays that abducted Jim Sparks are seeming concerned about the Earth's ecology. He described mass abductions where they would force everyone to watch images of the degradation of the planet.

[Sueanne47]

Zeta Reticuli are the greys that dont like us and are bad, these are from Orion, good greys are from Cal-Seti, Pleiadians are also friends. I took this info from Star Tsar's video by Dr Horace Drew about crop circle decoding.

[mojo]

Excellent opening question and some feedback if I may. First stating a belief that there are both the so-called human label of good and bad out there so there is some risk. Also knowing using observations to make deductions and developing a history of the encounter will be a guide for you. Possibly some abilities if you have them like being able to sense intention or being empathic or sensing emotion and picking up on vibes to help you. At times there seemed to be a general expression of "goodness" and not bad intent discerned.

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, it may not be a spectrum of 'good' vs 'bad'. Those are -- at least sometimes! -- anthropomorphisms: i.e. human considerations projected into a non-human context.

Chasing your cat around the house to force it into a small basket to take it to the vet for a required injection so it can travel -- for instance -- is a benevolent intention and action, which is impossible to explain to the cat. But from the cat's viewpoint, you're surely a rabid, insane, frightening, evil monster.

Similarly, on a different scale: the forest keeper, who periodically culls some deer in the herd, is both protecting the forest and protecting the deer -- collectively. From the viewpoint of the deer who's (sadly!) about to be shot, this is brutal, psychopathic murder. But the forest keeper is a good man, who cares deeply about the ecosystem...

[Rosco1]

I would go by 'Gut instinct' (when I am out on a UFO watch)

If I get a 'stay in' message (foreboding) from gut instinct then that is what I would do, stay in!
No point going against this as I feel you would be tempting fate.

On the other hand if you had a great feeling that somethings going to happen, you should attract the right beings.

[NeedleThreader]

There is no answer. If you ever really get in contact, my guess is you will be too shocked and in awe (and probably in a disabled stated) to discern much within 'the moment'

[wnlight]

Anyone know how to tell a Zeta from a Cal-Seti? Do they look different?
Great story about the cat, Bill. But I surely do not wish to be the deer that gets culled.
Rosco, using gut feeling is good, but under the circumstances, my gut may be in a ball as it is.
Thanks everyone.

Let me illustrate my concept of good and bad ET.
BAD: Doing harm to life on Earth.
BAD: Taking over control, or helping other ET to take/keep control over us.
BAD: Treats humans like we humans treat 'dumb' animals. I.e. No discussion - just kill, maim, and torture for whatever reason.
BAD: Does not attempt to communicate. Just goes about his disagreeable tasks.

SO-SO: At least he explains why he/it plans to 'treat' me.

GOOD: Sits down with a cup of coffee and discusses why they are here. Rational.
GOOD: Does nothing. "Do no harm."
GOOD: Helps me with my website. :-)
GOOD: Seriously, how about helping humans succeed in caring for the Earth environment we live in.

[Shannon]

Well, I'm not an expert (who is, really?), or an experiencer/ contactee /abductee...but anything or anyone who intrudes into your personal space and drags you out of your home with no real explanation of why is not good.

I totally get what Bill is saying and it's true we can't put human emotions and rational on non humans...but that's just it. Lots of these ETs say they are us. So then wtf?

If they know all about humans and have for eons then there is no excuse for the abductions. They know how frightened and scared people are, they know just what to say and just how to create a screen memory of it all being bubblegum and lollipops... It's just wrong imo. So unless I get an invition to a spaceship and rspv'd... I'm going the "hard way" as Jim sparks would say.

[halcyon026]

Zeta Reticuli are the greys that dont like us and are bad, these are from Orion, good greys are from Cal-Seti, Pleiadians are also friends. I took this info from Star Tsar's video by Dr Horace Drew about crop circle decoding.

This isn't entirely on topic, but..

Zeta Reticuli is a star system, why would "Zeta Reticuli Beings" be from Orion, another star system? If they are Zeta Reticuli, they are from Zeta Reticuli. Orion is a neighboring star system.
Orion 'greys' are said to be another type of 'grey' than the ones from Zeta Reticuli.

Just want to make sure we keep our star systems straight. :)

Also note that some, like Adam Apollo state that the 'greys' from Zeta Reticuli were tricked by the Draco to use implants that would 'connect them all', 'give them telepathy', 'internet access', etc. They then sent signals to those implants that changed them to a Military minded group, which later were used to fight alongside the Draco's armies.

They say some 'greys' from Zeta Reticuli were freed from their implants and started to study humans because emotions became so foreign to them.

I have a hard time considering groups 'bad' and saying 'they don't like us' when there's a chance they are being mind controlled. Rather than view these possibly mind controlled Beings as the enemy, shouldn't we see how similar their position is to ours and wish to help them too?

[Sueanne47]

Zeta Reticuli are the greys that dont like us and are bad, these are from Orion, good greys are from Cal-Seti, Pleiadians are also friends. I took this info from Star Tsar's video by Dr Horace Drew about crop circle decoding.

This isn't entirely on topic, but..

Zeta Reticuli is a star system, why would "Zeta Reticuli Beings" be from Orion, another star system? If they are Zeta Reticuli, they are from Zeta Reticuli. Orion is a neighboring star system.
Orion 'greys' are said to be another type of 'grey' than the ones from Zeta Reticuli.

Just want to make sure we keep our star systems straight. :)

Also note that some, like Adam Apollo state that the 'greys' from Zeta Reticuli were tricked by the Draco to use implants that would 'connect them all', 'give them telepathy', 'internet access', etc. They then sent signals to those implants that changed them to a Military minded group, which later were used to fight alongside the Draco's armies.

They say some 'greys' from Zeta Reticuli were freed from their implants and started to study humans because emotions became so foreign to them.

I have a hard time considering groups 'bad' and saying 'they don't like us' when there's a chance they are being mind controlled. Rather than view these possibly mind controlled Beings as the enemy, shouldn't we see how similar their position is to ours and wish to help them too?

I was just quoting what was said in the video halcyon026... I watched it carefully to make sure I got it right, personally, I find all the greys/reptillians confusing.

[Intranuclear]

It seems to me that the question is identical if asked of another human being.

From what I continue to see (query YouTube for examples), humans are by far the most diverse when it comes to good and bad.

If I just for example look at the videos of how humans murder, hurt, or destroy one another (not even talking about what they do to other creatures or objects), I would conclude within 5 minutes that humanity needs to be terminated.

If an alien species decides that humans are far too destructive and for the sake of us and the planet and whatever other reasons to manipulate our DNA to change the current human behavior to something else, well, is that good or bad?

It seems that humanity will continue to alter its own genetic makeup as technology evolves, if only to survive in other environments, but as such, are the altered humans still humans?
After all, if anthropology has shown us anything (assuming one accepts the fossil records), humans have changed significantly over time.

But seriously, if you meet another human, how would you tell ahead of time if that person is good or bad?
And even if you decide that they are good, would you keep that same opinion as time goes by?

Cheers.

[Jayren]

The good ones will try to show you things, like maybe in your dreams? The bad ones don't even want to be seen...

[Star Tsar]

I for one am way more worried about Earthlings more than any "Bad ET".
With the heaviest of hearts I type the worstest things I seen & learn't about in my short life have transpired at the hands of my own species!

[pico300zx]

I would say if I was in any situation where I had to work out good vs bad in relation to extraterrestrials and it was not a obvious decision then I would look at my free will.
One side (bad) will look to control and rule you. They may try to rule you by giving you information so that you can rule others and you then become dependent on them to keep your power.
The other side will not tell you what to do but will give you information and guide you on a path that will allow you to figure it out for yourself (teach/learn -> learn/teach).

That's my thoughts if you had a chance to think about it. Most likely id be standing still trying not to freak out.
From what I have read benevolent ET's will make first contact in your dreams so that you are not in shock when meeting in person. The bad guys can be tricksters though so they do like to impersonate thus why I would hope that I could keep calm and go to my theory on free will.

[Streamy]

I would say some prayer and tell the entity that if they are not benevolent then they must leave. I would also pray that benevolent beings be present to protect me. This sounds pretty weak. Maybe it is. My impression of abductee stories is they have no opportunity to do much about the encounter in any case.

[Pam]

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Well, it may not be a spectrum of 'good' vs 'bad'. Those are -- at least sometimes! -- anthropomorphisms: i.e. human considerations projected into a non-human context.

Chasing your cat around the house to force it into a small basket to take it to the vet for a required injection so it can travel -- for instance -- is a benevolent intention and action, which is impossible to explain to the cat. But from the cat's viewpoint, you're surely a rabid, insane, frightening, evil monster.

Similarly, on a different scale: the forest keeper, who periodically culls some deer in the herd, is both protecting the forest and protecting the deer -- collectively. From the viewpoint of the deer who's (sadly!) about to be shot, this is brutal, psychopathic murder. But the forest keeper is a good man, who cares deeply about the ecosystem...


I absolutely love this post. It is applicable to so much more than just the topic at hand. It comes down to the lens we are viewing things through, is your lens wide angle or panoramic or do you look at things through the lens of a microscope??

[Sunny-side-up]

Do come towards you and start doing things without asking, bad or if they motion to you as if to comunicat that could be good.

If you have a meating they will probably comunicate in some way first, if good but do any of them lie o.0

[Atlas]

Imo, there is neither good nor bad ETs. If they are smart enough to remain hidden until today, they will not be satisfied with a good-vs-evil scheme. They'll be both and/or none.

If the greys can take over humans, how easy will it be for them to take over robots?
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I think the ETs will always conceal the time-traveling technology from us, so that all wars will be fought, and all dead will die. They don't want the only species who were ever able to supersede natural evolution to discover their secrets and eventually destroy their enterprise.

If Earth is their laboratory, and they've created us, how well did they do so far? Is their 'experience' a failure or a success? What are their plans for the humans of the year 3016?

The Future World Year 3000
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[Magnus]

I'm in grief about our duality at large...

[Sueanne47]

I liked the video about the future world Atlas...great pictures :cool:

[Matthew]

There are those of use who are into duality and those that aren't! Just my little joke, but seriously ...yes duality lacks depth and we seem to be surrounded by it. Things aren't as simple as Left and Right.

I was reading this on another thread* from William Cooper transcripts of his Mystery Babylon Series and thought this bit fitted in this one *The Continuing Search For The Truth, link to post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1085603&viewfull=1#post1085603)

William Cooper
Mystery Babylon Series
"Read everything. Listen to everything. Don't trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research.

If you think you're on the right side I can assure you are on the wrong side no matter which side you are on.

Each of us individually must begin to study, research and learn the truth.

Learn to think for yourself. Learn to find the truth for yourself because that is the only salvation.


...
"

Interesting stuff!

[Sueanne47]

Learn to find the truth for yourself

But I only find truth from *good* people!! :biggrin1:

[Atlas]

I liked the video about the future world Atlas...great pictures :cool:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Outofthiswolrd.JPG/250px-Outofthiswolrd.JPG http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/img/desktop/loaderGlobe50BlueGrey.gif

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/earth/outtaworld.jpg

[Sueanne47]

Wooohooo !! LOVE IT Atlas! do you think we should start a new thread on this subject?

[Yetti]

well my point is: I believe the prime directive of no intervention is a universal common sense order, and "if" it's enforced by a federation, maybe.., THE SIMPLE PRECENCE OF ANY ET HERE , IS A VIOLATION OF THIS PRIME DIRECTIVE, Said so, if you have an encounter you better be sure that's it's happening with many others at a time globally, in wich case could be the first contact " officially" , an not a lone wolf wit ,???!!, intentions or agenda. But its just my humble opinion, :)