CONSCIOUSNESS GRID - the thing above your head you can't even see

[voltaire237]

Hi

I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Voltaire. I'm here to make some new friends, and find out some info that will (hopefully) save my life.
I'm already acquainted with a few people on this forum IRL; some I've even been invited to their houses; most were nice - couple of good cars and nice plants.
Like some members of this forum, I'm a TI. I used to work for a black-ops outfit in Basingstoke. [Anyone familiar with the rose and crown's welcome to hit me up.]

I used to work in a mining elevator. Obviously something went badly wrong and I really upset someone on the top floor. (won't go into politics)
Lost my job. And a few games. Had my horse blinded. Now I'm here...

Obviously word travels fast in this community, and I'm not looking for sympathy, or a christmas jumper and a card every year.
Just trying to keep my head above water.
I'm not here to cause a big scene, I'm just looking to get outside the grid safely - or at least far enough away I can work on my differences (geddit).



So anyway, that's me.
If it doesn't make sense, please ignore me, I'm probably just rambling.

This next bit will either make total sense, or make me sound like a loon...
It's completely true, and if you know anything about it, or would like to correct me, feel free to do so either in thread or by PM..

Now the consciousness grid:
There is a large "grid" over every country in the world.
the different levels have many different functions, some carry information, some vibration, some light, some dreams (all three).
I can only speak about the NATO grid, and the UK grid, but these things are handled mainly by high ranking signals, and are very complicated things.

Above this there's a grid around the world, a series of Octangles, with each Octangle segmented into triangles.
What's interesting is at each intersection on these octangles is a military base, or site.
The air above is a definite no-fly zone.

Has anyone heard of this before?
Does anyone know what it's called, or what it does?

[kirolak]

Hello, welcome! :) So sorry about your horse, she was unfairly involved in human dark dealings; I hope you are both OK.

I can often see a grid high in the sky, in the far depths at the limits one can press one's vision on a clear day; it is a pale net, rather as you describe. . .I've often called people's attention to it, but they can't seem to see it at all. I had it filed away in my mind as Indra's net, or similar. . . so am interested in what you have to say about it. . .

[Ultima Thule]

Wellcome Voltaire!

Can you map out an example of military bases (sites) which follow this grid in a pattern?

UT

[Ewan]

Like some members of this forum, I'm a TI.

I used to work in a mining elevator.

Obviously something went badly wrong



Hallo Voltaire,

Whilst I am interested to hear more about this multi-layered grid I'd like you to clarify the three points above that I filtered out from your post.

What is a TI?

You used to work in a mining elevator. I assume you don't literally mean that, you weren't in an elevator all day long taking people up and down?

Something went badly wrong, without going into politics do you mean there was an error, a mistake, and you were deemed culpable?

Thank you in advance if you can elucidate these points for me.

[voltaire237]

What is a TI?[/QUOTE]
Targeted Individual
The term came about when the FBI were hiring Cointelpro informants to join their Stasi force.
every country in the world has a Stasi network.

Your orders could be as trivial as to make someone cross the road; sabotage someone's car - screw with their bearings; plumb something in; or rent a flat above someone and bang on the floor every time you're told to..


I assume you don't literally mean that, you weren't in an elevator all day long taking people up and down?
No


Something went badly wrong, without going into politics do you mean there was an error, a mistake, and you were deemed culpable?
I was deemed culpable.
I was sabotaged, but it was still my fault. Now they want me to pay for it with my life.


It's hard to explain, but the reason they put me in this position was because I went outside the grid.

In ancient Greek mythology they speak of Ambroisia as the "nectar of the gods"
This was a substance they took and used to travel to the "Underworld" or Spirit Realm.
It's like having an out of body experience, except you're in the 4th dimension and time's no longer linear
(NEVER take Salvia Divinorum btw - it is evil stuff, just steals your life-force)

I found a form of Ambrosia and went there.
It's not difficult, anyone can go there with the right ingredients..
I could show any of you if we had time, and it weren't so dangerous.

Only problem is as soon as you go there you stand out like a sore thumb, and when you come back a lot of people will try and off you to stop you from revealing what you saw there...
There's a lot of people who are completely opened up and programmed to be able to see straight into this world (top floor CIA agents for example)

The grid goes around the planet
(before it we could reincarnate with all our old memories, travel through space and to other planets etc etc);
Now we just get vacuumed up, our memories erased, and sent to a new vessel.

There's a way to go outside this consciousness grid, but all the while you're there [in the spirit world] you don't have a body, so you don't have a brain, ergo you can't store memories.
This means I remember some things, but not all.

You're basically a massive ball of light, you change in vibration and color with every emotional state, and you move by the power of thought,
you "think" yourself in the direction you wish to go
the longer you're there the stronger you become, and the clearer your thoughts are,
(since you no longer think and then process that through your body into actions or words - you just think)

it is a very frightening place - I'd seriously not recommend anyone going there - people like the dalai lama spend there whole lives to get to this place and be able to balance their minds there, I was frightened there for a while.

I calmed down after a bit, but it's a scary place..
You see what happens to you when you die, you see endless information (you actually "see" it; certain lights there have this wonderful knowledge transferring ability);

You also see what's REALLY going on with the world,
and what's REALLY happening behind the scenes...

[mkscarola]

I find this very interesting. Have heard of it mentioned before.

[voltaire237]

Wellcome Voltaire!

Can you map out an example of military bases (sites) which follow this grid in a pattern?

UT



the points where the lines of the grid cross over are on military bases or important landmarks

for example theres one over the great pyramid of Giza



I know you're not allowed to fly over them, there's vortexes at each of these cross-points,
there's reports of crafts flying into these vortexes and then being destroyed with lots of tiny perforations through them, as if the crafts had suddenly become porous

I don't know a great deal about this, but I'm sure an engine could tell you a lot more...

[voltaire237]

I find this very interesting. Have heard of it mentioned before.

I haven't heard many people talk about it, but it's mentioned in Val Valerian's Matrix series - along with some other startling truths


interestingly its difficult to find these books online
pdf's are scattered few and far between, but amazon seems to be forever out of stock

[voltaire237]

Hello, welcome! :) So sorry about your horse, she was unfairly involved in human dark dealings; I hope you are both OK.

I can often see a grid high in the sky, in the far depths at the limits one can press one's vision on a clear day; it is a pale net, rather as you describe. . .I've often called people's attention to it, but they can't seem to see it at all. I had it filed away in my mind as Indra's net, or similar. . . so am interested in what you have to say about it. . .

Thank you for your kind words.
Hopefully we'll get the blinders off her one day and let her race across all channels.


I'm glad I could help confirm for you what you already know to be true.
If you can see this in daylight then you're incredibly gifted, as these are fourth dimensional energies

when people talk about "energy cords" and people attaching "energy cords" to people these are also 4th dimensional energies
they connect to you through your feet, and have large balls of energy that seem to move slowly up and down them
if you can see the consciousness grid, perhaps you can try and tune your eyes to these?
the human eye can see all these different things, i'm not sure if there's some third eye element to this, or we can actually see the infrared and xrays outside of visible light,
but it's maybe worth you looking into this also?




Side-note:
I do know that if you stare into a clear sky long enough, you'll see lots of little white orbs vibrating around
as a child i thought these were pollen
Someone told me a German scientist once "discovered" them, but I've always thought they were just electrical impulses on our retina that get filtered into our vision
are you familiar with this effect?

[sunwings]

Welcome to Avalon first of all.

What are the differences / correlations between the 4th dimensional energy grid and the lay lines?

And also more importantly, you left us on a cliffhanger last time. Don´t keep us in suspense......




You also see what's REALLY going on with the world,
and what's REALLY happening behind the scenes...

[bennycog]

Hi Voltaire.
Being a T.I yourself, do you remember getting called on to do things that was not in your frame of mind before you did it? can we get an example.
Does your being off grid mean that your no more able to be forced into doing anything by a handler?
Where you sent here to Avalon for any reason?
ON these consciousness lines/grid? are they something that needs to be activated? Artefact or other? Are these artefacts or other of human origin and where does their level of frequency come from?

cheers mate and welcome

[peggy englebrake]

Hi Voltaire Welcome I have some thoughts on your interesting post

The grid you describe sounds like the artificial matrix that was put up to keep earth isolated from contact with the rest of creation. I think this has also corrupted the original hologram reality we experience in 3D. I believe the archons (they like to hang out in lower 4D I understand) get the credit for the false reincarnation scam, loss of memories, etc. that you encountered. If you were dealing with archons I can well imagine how weird or unpleasant the experience might have been. Speaking as a time-traveler from the sixties, your experience with Ambrosia sounds a lot like lucid dreaming or a bad acid trip.
Be safe. (My brother worked as head of security for POTUS starting with Lyndon Johnson and , well, now he's dead).

[Hervé]

Maybe readers might be interested in learning about these: "Wells of Souls (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71013-Why-ghosts-don-t-cross-over-fully-to-the-other-side&p=829745&viewfull=1#post829745)"

[voltaire237]

Welcome to Avalon first of all.

What are the differences / correlations between the 4th dimensional energy grid and the lay lines?

And also more importantly, you left us on a cliffhanger last time. Don´t keep us in suspense......




You also see what's REALLY going on with the world,
and what's REALLY happening behind the scenes...

That's a pretty accurate picture you've attached there.

Let me know what you mean by the cliffhanger bit - and anything I've glossed over, and I'll happily fill you in..



Hi Bennycog
There's a lot of questions there, and at the risk of some things getting lost in translation, I'll try and answer your questions in the quote box below:

Hi Voltaire.
Being a T.I yourself, do you remember getting called on to do things that was not in your frame of mind before you did it? can we get an example.
I can't answer this in as much detail as i'd like, as it would incriminate/identify me too much. but i've definitely been influenced into doing things i wouldn't have done before. if you imagine there's 120 doors open to us at any one time. when we commit to an action we're walking through a certain door - and now ending up in another room with another 120 doors (each door here is a metaphor for an action).
so in as much as my actions have been influenced using basic fear/Pavlovian conditioning, yes i have been influenced...
but if you mean I'm a TI and therefore I get called up to carry out assignments/make dead drops, no it's not like that for me now

Does your being off grid mean that your no more able to be forced into doing anything by a handler?
sorry i clearly didn't explain this well enough the first time round.
I left the grid, went outside it, and saw what was happening on the other side, then came back. I didn't "go off grid" and now I'm off it.
This grid isn't the same as someone "living off grid". it's a grid that encompasses the globe, and keeps us here in the nth dimension (outside of time).


Where you sent here to Avalon for any reason?
No, no-one sends me places, I don't answer to anyone.
I saw Avalon referenced in one of Michael Prince's videos, and I like the difference between this forum and others.
There are many plants on other forums that tend to group together and make any serious discussion or topic on key or guarded information go off-topic and become ludicrous so no-body takes notice anymore.
Here seems to be wise to that trick, and everyone seems respectful and knowledgeable. I've already learnt things here I wouldn't have otherwise, so I'm just here to gather and share intel really.

ON these consciousness lines/grid? are they something that needs to be activated? Artefact or other? Are these artefacts or other of human origin and where does their level of frequency come from?
I sort of see what you're getting at, and I know the theory, but I haven't been party to this in real life - so only want to stick to sharing experiential knowledge. (otherwise i'm just speculating, and anyone can do that)

cheers mate and welcome
Oorah!




Hi Voltaire Welcome I have some thoughts on your interesting post

The grid you describe sounds like the artificial matrix that was put up to keep earth isolated from contact with the rest of creation. I think this has also corrupted the original hologram reality we experience in 3D. I believe the archons (they like to hang out in lower 4D I understand) get the credit for the false reincarnation scam, loss of memories, etc. that you encountered. If you were dealing with archons I can well imagine how weird or unpleasant the experience might have been. Speaking as a time-traveler from the sixties, your experience with Ambrosia sounds a lot like lucid dreaming or a bad acid trip.
Be safe. (My brother worked as head of security for POTUS starting with Lyndon Johnson and , well, now he's dead).

True Re: artificial matrix.

As far as I'm concerned there are two type of beings (two polar opposites)
Ones that see something smaller than them like a human wandering into their 4th dimension without Metatron and love it's curiosity and return that love and curiosity
and ones that see something smaller than them and see it as an energy to be harvested, like the Dementors from harry potter would look upon a child crossing their path...

unfortunately I encountered the second.

Their need for vampirising energy is a purely egocentric one, and ego is where these problems arose from:
it comes from them taking their egos into that dimension and causing the instability in the first place (these beings used monoatomic gold to artificially "transcend" dimensions, but did it too fast and without the loss of ego (or "egodeath" needed) so they are desperately trying to hold onto what's "theirs" in a dimension where it is not supposed to be like that, their energy was given to them in the first place, and now the quantum mechanics of the universe is supposed to take it away from them, but they wont let it.
This Lucifer experiment was supposed to break away from god and make them gods of the planet, inside this consciousness grid - but instead has just trapped them in a realm of starvation and constant thirst for energy (like in the tibetan book of the dead as the hungry ghosts..)

this is why they suck so much energy from out of our dimension: to support themselves up there
but they're absorbing what they need from negative emotions like HATE and LOVE and LUST... really low vibrational, yet easy to steal, emotions

if they instead had people send them LOVE and LIGHT they'd find an INFINITE pool of energy coming directly from SOURCE (the kabbalah talks about this, the "one central point" of the heart, an untapped wealth of limitless love and energy, stronger than any lust or desire..)

then we could away with all this reptilian sacrifice BS and be free and happy; but that wouldn't fit the agendas of the elite... it's a never-ending circle of greed and egoism...

[peggy englebrake]

How do you know Metatron is not an archon in disguise?

[voltaire237]

How do you know Metatron is not an archon in disguise?

are you assuming all archons are "evil"?

[bennycog]

Thank you for that Voltaire :) I have or had a friend that is closely related to the information portrayed here.

She is able to make contact or peer into what government controllers are doing and have been attacked psychically many times by them. she is not a T.I because her guardians will not allow that. I think i had to lose contact with her because somehow i might have been an avenue for them to get to her.

She has talked of artefacts in possession by the government that control and do various things. I guess the show 'warehouse 13' is a very sensationalised version of what they have..

[sms]

Going briefly into 4D does not mean escaping the prison complex as it extends there, as well!? James Mahu explained it nicely long ago, in his – Interview with Project Camelot (https://www.wingmakers.com/wp-content/themes/wingmaker/style/dark/pdffiles/Project%20Camelot%20Interview.pdf)

And, some of us may realize that beside this false (artificial) consciousness, which reigns in this artificial reality, there is the Real Consciousness, which we may become familiar with, soon?!

..

[voltaire237]

I think if more people went there in a controlled environment, we could investigate more information about it - know more about it - and make more changes to the world


but the group that control the world aren't looking for change, they're looking for a perpetual war;
astral travel should be the driving force of the economy, inter-planetary space travel.. not war and violence..

[kirolak]

Hello, welcome! :) So sorry about your horse, she was unfairly involved in human dark dealings; I hope you are both OK.

I can often see a grid high in the sky, in the far depths at the limits one can press one's vision on a clear day; it is a pale net, rather as you describe. . .I've often called people's attention to it, but they can't seem to see it at all. I had it filed away in my mind as Indra's net, or similar. . . so am interested in what you have to say about it. . .

Thank you for your kind words.
Hopefully we'll get the blinders off her one day and let her race across all channels.


I'm glad I could help confirm for you what you already know to be true.
If you can see this in daylight then you're incredibly gifted, as these are fourth dimensional energies

when people talk about "energy cords" and people attaching "energy cords" to people these are also 4th dimensional energies
they connect to you through your feet, and have large balls of energy that seem to move slowly up and down them
if you can see the consciousness grid, perhaps you can try and tune your eyes to these?
the human eye can see all these different things, i'm not sure if there's some third eye element to this, or we can actually see the infrared and xrays outside of visible light,
but it's maybe worth you looking into this also?




Side-note:
I do know that if you stare into a clear sky long enough, you'll see lots of little white orbs vibrating around
as a child i thought these were pollen
Someone told me a German scientist once "discovered" them, but I've always thought they were just electrical impulses on our retina that get filtered into our vision
are you familiar with this effect?


I've never seen the balls of energy moving up& down people in the way you describe, although I can see "vibrations" all over the place, at all times; everything is shimmering & the little "orbs" are everywhere, (like electrons?) It could be part of having Hemiplegic Migraine, although I am medicated against that & find it very hard to OB now as a result. BTW, I can stare in fascination at a blank wall, amazed by the changing texture & flow of it (much to my family's horror!)

Not sure that it's a "talent", as it's pretty constant & I've always seen these things.

Please tell us more of what you now about the grid! :) as I've always wondered about it.

[voltaire237]

Hello, welcome! :) So sorry about your horse, she was unfairly involved in human dark dealings; I hope you are both OK.

I can often see a grid high in the sky, in the far depths at the limits one can press one's vision on a clear day; it is a pale net, rather as you describe. . .I've often called people's attention to it, but they can't seem to see it at all. I had it filed away in my mind as Indra's net, or similar. . . so am interested in what you have to say about it. . .

Thank you for your kind words.
Hopefully we'll get the blinders off her one day and let her race across all channels.


I'm glad I could help confirm for you what you already know to be true.
If you can see this in daylight then you're incredibly gifted, as these are fourth dimensional energies

when people talk about "energy cords" and people attaching "energy cords" to people these are also 4th dimensional energies
they connect to you through your feet, and have large balls of energy that seem to move slowly up and down them
if you can see the consciousness grid, perhaps you can try and tune your eyes to these?
the human eye can see all these different things, i'm not sure if there's some third eye element to this, or we can actually see the infrared and xrays outside of visible light,
but it's maybe worth you looking into this also?




Side-note:
I do know that if you stare into a clear sky long enough, you'll see lots of little white orbs vibrating around
as a child i thought these were pollen
Someone told me a German scientist once "discovered" them, but I've always thought they were just electrical impulses on our retina that get filtered into our vision
are you familiar with this effect?


I've never seen the balls of energy moving up& down people in the way you describe, although I can see "vibrations" all over the place, at all times; everything is shimmering & the little "orbs" are everywhere, (like electrons?) It could be part of having Hemiplegic Migraine, although I am medicated against that & find it very hard to OB now as a result. BTW, I can stare in fascination at a blank wall, amazed by the changing texture & flow of it (much to my family's horror!)

Not sure that it's a "talent", as it's pretty constant & I've always seen these things.

Please tell us more of what you now about the grid! :) as I've always wondered about it.

when I said the energy moves up and down I meant it looks more like this:
http://s22.postimg.org/7sh8fapsh/Drawing_1.png


Please forgive the crude drawing

We seem to have these energy cords that attach into us, they run along the ground then connect into our feet
these energy cords have balls of energy moving up and down them, like a hosepipe that has a tennis ball inserted into it, then it moves its way down it

it's so hard to describe what I saw, and I'm not entirely sure what the balls were moving up and down the cords, but some were moving along the cords into me, and some the opposite way out of me

I got the sense that while I was looking at this I was seeing the "internal circuitry" of the world
like if the world was a computer and the workings of it was the matrix, this was the pathways with which everything moves


I know the grid was mentioned in Spirit Science's video at 24:10 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw

[boutreality]

Voltaire-
(Offered as a valid option to your explanations- by all means believe what you like,)
I'll take your story at face value, including the following:

Your story is precisely what you experienced during your time inside the organization. Your story is meant to be spread as is it perpetuates and encourages reliance on the idea that the Astral Plane is a valid way to affect reality for the better and that a network keeping us from it must be undone. The 'network' is orchestrated resistance meant for several reasons, the least of which is to impart a sense of accomplishment to the adept that can access the plane free from encumbrance.

Your info is diametrically opposed to what I've found through 10+ years of dedication to my discipline. The octagonal patterns you mention are arrays of Isosceles shaped ships configured -eight each- with their front points pointing toward the center of a circle (octagon) -arrays of six each exist as well- the flat backs forming the lines of the octagon. These arrays spread a field experienced as a "floor" in their projected dimension, this floor extends to mesh with the floors projected from other arrays. These arrays have three to four tiers, where 2-3 hundred feet above the last tier the same construct exists, projecting another floor. I get into an overview of some other functions of these ships in another thread of mine (linked below.)

Your experience impressed upon you the paradigm you share here, much like certain factions in the CIA have impressed upon them that all of reality is a matrix like hologram. In fact, a hologram is projected through physical reality. The overall goal of this system is to contain mankind's natural ability to focus and wield their intent as will and to direct that intent, as a forced together collective, to meet the system's goals while keeping everyone convinced that sufficient growth is known (if people are interested in that); that their cultivated capacity serves the system, and the goals of our controllers are met.

You did solicit information regarding your experience, here is mine. If you are interested check the below threads.
First link is to a direct account of the system and some of its functions conveyed in the frame of Skull & Bones occult practices, the second seeks to fit the system into a context from which it may be approached, in case this would aid a reader's understanding.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92604-NAZIS-NWO-the-NEW-AGE

I only ask this view gets considered by those that are willing. If one reads the "Saturn" section of the Skull and Bones thread for comprehension, they will understand why I am not concerned with argument on these issues and why it would be foolish for me to expect to convince anyone.

I appreciate the term "Consciousness Grid", thank you for sharing this way to conceptualize a control system.

[peggy englebrake]

To Voltaire237 RE: assuming archons are evil. That question surprised me. I don't know about "assume". My experience and information is that they are an "anomaly" created at the time the universe was created. They can only manipulate humans, they cannot create directly in the 3D world. From the point of view of a human being who is being manipulated by an archon, in a worldview of duality, they might call an archon "evil". From another perspective you might say that an archon is only doing what an archon does. Or you might say the archons are providing a mirror for humans so we will be impulsed to clean up the mess. (Multi-Dimensional views and all that). I don't claim to be an expert. I am open to any ideas or information that you could share. But my question about Metatron was serious. How does one know if it is an awakened Master, an archon in disguise or whatever. Can they disguise their energies so we misread them? Have you had any experience with Awakened Masters, the Pleiadians, "positively
oriented" Sirians or other star beings? Also the human body is designed to travel to other frequencies (light body/ka) and does not really need other substances to achieve this. (not that I am saying none of us here have ever used substances to experience other realities. That's what those substances are for.) Thank you for bringing us interesting ideas.
Read another of your posts I missed: I have been seeing little bright orbs appear around me for years. They seem to hover, then kind of pop or implode with light and disappear. I sense sentinent consciousness? Do you know what these are and what they are "observing".
One of Castenada's books "Magic Passes" is a series of shamanic practices to activate energy that has fallen around our feet and weights us down as "time" passes. (It also has exercises for activating energy elsewhere) (They work for me) Could Castenada be talking about the same thing as the cords and energy balls around the feet referenced above?(Don't know if you are familiar with this author). Sorry to have so many questions.

[Enola]

[QUOTE=Ewan;1099944]

Only problem is as soon as you go there you stand out like a sore thumb, and when you come back a lot of people will try and off you to stop you from revealing what you saw there...

Reminds me of a few times I tried dissociatives. There was this deafening screeching sound when you tried to cross dimensions. Like some kind of frequency fence.

One time I found myself in a heavenly kingdom where everything had a white aura and the vibration was so high it was completely dizzying or overwhelming. Then I fell down to this hellish place with demons in it.

[voltaire237]

To Voltaire237 RE: assuming archons are evil. That question surprised me. I don't know about "assume". My experience and information is that they are an "anomaly" created at the time the universe was created. They can only manipulate humans, they cannot create directly in the 3D world. From the point of view of a human being who is being manipulated by an archon, in a worldview of duality, they might call an archon "evil". From another perspective you might say that an archon is only doing what an archon does. Or you might say the archons are providing a mirror for humans so we will be impulsed to clean up the mess. (Multi-Dimensional views and all that). I don't claim to be an expert. I am open to any ideas or information that you could share. But my question about Metatron was serious. How does one know if it is an awakened Master, an archon in disguise or whatever. Can they disguise their energies so we misread them? Have you had any experience with Awakened Masters, the Pleiadians, "positively
oriented" Sirians or other star beings? Also the human body is designed to travel to other frequencies (light body/ka) and does not really need other substances to achieve this. (not that I am saying none of us here have ever used substances to experience other realities. That's what those substances are for.) Thank you for bringing us interesting ideas.
Read another of your posts I missed: I have been seeing little bright orbs appear around me for years. They seem to hover, then kind of pop or implode with light and disappear. I sense sentinent consciousness? Do you know what these are and what they are "observing".
One of Castenada's books "Magic Passes" is a series of shamanic practices to activate energy that has fallen around our feet and weights us down as "time" passes. (It also has exercises for acting energy elsewhere) (They work for me) Could Castenada be talking about the same thing as the cords and energy balls around the feet referenced above?(Don't know if you are familiar with this author). Sorry to have so many questions.

Sounds like she is talking about the same thing. the process of "removing the weight of these energies" would likely be the removal of negative cords.
I can't for the life of me find any real guides on the internet discussing energy cord removal (there are loads out there, but they're all generic christian websites talking about how we make energy cords with pre-marital sex - none are experienced guides on how to meditate into a state, do yoga to prepare the inner workings of your body, then remove the energy cords with fire) except here:
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/energycords.htm

And I like what you said. I asked if you thought they were "evil" because, I agree with you, i don't think they are. They aren't good or bad they just ARE.
from our perspective we see what they do as good or bad.
That said I think theres a difference between light and dark forces. (like the jedis and siths - one has a good energy, one an evil energy)
but i think these are just two geometric poles, and can be used by however the will wishes, its the wills that are good/bad.


[QUOTE=Ewan;1099944]

Only problem is as soon as you go there you stand out like a sore thumb, and when you come back a lot of people will try and off you to stop you from revealing what you saw there...

Reminds me of a few times I tried MXE. There was this deafening screeching sound when you tried to cross dimensions. Like some kind of frequency fence.

One time I found myself in a heavenly kingdom where everything had a white aura and the vibration was so high it was completely dizzying or overwhelming. Then I fell down to this hellish place with demons in it.

MXE isn't going to get you there; at least not in a stable condition. I think maybe that's why you encountered issues

[Citizen No2]

You are on a highway to nothing here pal.

Whatever you think you are doing, however smart you think you are being, you'll get found out here buddy.

They ain't no mugs 'round here.


Regards.

[peggy englebrake]

To Volaire 237 RE the cutting of the energy cord. Really thought this was a great article. Recommend to our readers. Only problem is I had to bookmark the website it's on (House of the Sun), which I've never seen before. It has so many interesting articles to read I will have difficulty getting off the net to do any other work at all. Thanks again. Hope the horse is better.

[voltaire237]

You are on a highway to nothing here pal.

Whatever you think you are doing, however smart you think you are being, you'll get found out here buddy.

They ain't no mugs 'round here.


Regards.

I don't get what you mean.
you mean I'm a fraud - like making this up?

what do you mean by "found out", like i'm a troll/plant?

please elabourate



To Volaire 237 RE the cutting of the energy cord. Really thought this was a great article. Recommend to our readers. Only problem is I had to bookmark the website it's on (House of the Sun), which I've never seen before. It has so many interesting articles to read I will have difficulty getting off the net to do any other work at all. Thanks again. Hope the horse is better.

yeah house of the sun is great.
that's just one section of the soul guidance website.

As for Citizen No2 = if you think I'm a fake or a fraud, at least I'm giving out online resources to try and help people.
Regardless of if you think the story I'm telling is untrue:
please take time to read these resources and find some things that can help YOU on YOUR PERSONAL JOURNEY; no matter what that might be

that way you can either talk to me about my experience, and get something from it, or look at a link or video i give you, and get something from it,
and everyone ends up a winner...

[Enola]

MXE isn't going to get you there; at least not in a stable condition. I think maybe that's why you encountered issues

No, not in a stable condition, to say the least. But it seems to allow for inter-dimensional travel.

[Sean]

Hello Voltaire.welcome to Avalon. Apologies in advance for this post. I'll address your actual post, in a separate post. This is for everyone else.

I see that some of you are taking Voltaire at his word, with no push back Since the subject matter is so arcane, perfect time to use discernment and ask hard questions. Don't just roll over and accept this just because it fits your view of things.

Let's not have another Shane, Simon, or any other of the like here, hmmm?

[sheme]

I can't relate to the reality of this thread so I will but out, this is another world thankfully. I wish the op peace and healing- it is all I can do.

[voltaire237]

Hello Voltaire.welcome to Avalon. Apologies in advance for this post. I'll address your actual post, in a separate post. This is for everyone else.

I see that some of you are taking Voltaire at his word, with no push back Since the subject matter is so arcane, perfect time to use discernment and ask hard questions. Don't just roll over and accept this just because it fits your view of things.

Let's not have another Shane, Simon, or any other of the like here, hmmm?


You make a half valid point, I'm more than happy for people to cross-examine the facts.

This is all personal experience, not a video taped documentation - and as such the "hard questions" you mention would fall into one of two categories:

- My perception and credibility as a source (i.e could I be making this up, or could I be suffering from delusions/mental health problems)

- Second, what are the specific facts and variables involved in the equation. Is there prior art to verify or back-up these assertions? and can some form of test/evaluation be conducted in a scientific manner to reproduce the experience involved.

Well if we could replicate the results that would be great.
We can, and possibly should, replicate "the experiments" in some kind of controlled environment. Believe me if I had the resources I'd have a whole facility dedicated to researching this subject, as the implications for technological advance alone is astonishing.
As it is I could comfortably take anyone to this place; however since I'm effectively a muggle who's stumbled into Diagon Alley: there could be serious, possibly dangerous implications attached to said experiment.

If you or anyone else has any desire to commit to such an experiment I'd be open to the possibility of discussing it.

As for the non 4th dimensional experience: the aftermath of said experiments, being taken away and locked in military facilities, experimented on by other-worldly beings, tortured and implanted; this again comes back to my own experience and explanation of such.
However the information is all cross-referable - the brevity codes i picked up are all universal - the technology i observed and documented is all well known in the espionage circles - and the fact I have SO much information on people places and things involved in these blackops projects I hope should speak for itself.
Obviously this is just the tip of the iceberg: I have a huge Pandora's box of knowledge that I can't simply post on message board as it would publicly involve breaching the OSA.
But anyone is welcome to PM me.

As for my mental stability, and if I'm making this up - I am not.
I don't want to get too bogged down in this thread with, as it will detract from me carrying out my objective here - which is to find the people this information is NEEDED by, and who have use for it.
But I will say this;
I am open to the possibility that certain events took place from a linear perspective.
I am only one man, with two eyes and two sides of a brain. My eyes can be deceived, my senses discombobulated, and my perception can be mistaken about certain things.
I am only human.
However, the shear amount of information I have gathered could in no way be ALL just miss-perceived information. MI6 would have you believe this, as it is a very comfortable and convenient way of making problems remove themselves from public debate, but the information I have gathered is all cross-checkable.

There are many other sources out there saying the same things I am, the only difference is for various reasons I cannot go into for safety, I have some background in the SCIENCE of it all. Meaning I can not only tell you what the action and effect is, but the mode of travel, sequence of actions, and point of origin as well.
Not only this I can show you countless documents from the Talmud to the Zohar, ad Herennium to the emerald tablet, and epic of Gilgamesh that all verify what I'm saying.

"As above, so below" means so much more than just a Dodecahedron orbiting the Nation of Israel.





I can't relate to the reality of this thread so I will but out, this is another world thankfully. I wish the op peace and healing- it is all I can do.

That alone is more than most offline can muster, so thank you and I wish you all the best.

But before you go could you at least try to wrap your head around it by asking me some questions?
Your heart is clearly in the right place, and open.
Your will is good.
Please give me the chance to get your mind pointed towards this subject also?

I perhaps haven't explained in a linear or concise enough format.
If not for you or myself; for the other users who are perplexed by the puzzle but really need this information to assist them on their own journeys.

This is the information we ALL come to realise after we die and pass over to "hades"
When we get there we all think the same thing "omg good lord, why did I not know this SOONER! If only I'd have known what I see here on earth I'd have simply done X Y and Z and everything would have been so much different"

There knowledge is infinite and almost as absorbable as breathing air. Everything looks so simple, and its almost like you can realise a way for the universe to completely heal into a utopian paradise, but this force won't let it.

My goal here is to bring you closer to that state of realisation: to save you the time of wasting an entire life without knowing this thing we are talking about, and getting to the other side to think "dammit, i wish I'd known while I was alive and could do something about it"

I mean, gosh, I'm offering to educate people on the ACTUAL afterlife: the Underworld, Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious.
Better than that: I'm even offering to show you how to get there/take you there if you're serious.

If im false - you lose a couple of posts
If im right - we're talking the land of the dead, infinite knowledge, and the fountain of youth/immortality

I mean, REALLY? nobody's getting behind this?
I'm suprised theres not more interest tbf.
If people aren't willing to at least explore this then I don't think it's me who should be being called the crazy one. ha!

[Orph]

The information in this thread may be true, ..... or not. But I'm glad that I have the chance to read it and make up my own mind.

[Daozen]

Interesting posts Voltaire. As Working Actor has said, people are somewhat wary and jaded, as many 'whistleblowers' have come and gone. Most ended up discrediting themselves. I for one am willing to hear you out, as I know this world is a strange and multi-layered place.

If you wanted to make people more interested, you could shift from anecdotes to talking about techniques. Stories are OK, but they focus attention on the storyteller... and the reader ends up shrugging. Most researchers are jaded and overloaded by now. I'm not, but many of the rest of them are. I suspect there was a deliberate drive to flood the net with bad information, so by the time anyone sincere came along, readers were exhausted.

If you were to provide actionable techniques about how to access the planes you are talking about: sitting positions, breathing patterns, where to focus the mind... above, below, within, without etc. Detailed techniques that resonated with our own experience, you'd offer something concrete for people to try on their own. You mentioned Amrita or Ambrosia... Can you say what plant you used?

If you don't provide something detailed and actionable, people are going to understandably get bored. I know from my own experience that there are entire meditation schools in Asia dedicated to what you've done, so I'd like to hear what you say. You could maybe describe this journey to the afterlife in as much detail as you can, dropping concrete clues that help anyone recreate what you did.

Just an idea.

[peggy englebrake]

Voltaire I would like to hear what you have to say also. I have had some lucid dreaming experiences (spontaneous, no drugs) which were sometimes wonderful and sometimes weird. I could use more information about this, but I'm happy to hear whatever you have to offer.

[voltaire237]

If you don't provide something detailed and actionable, people are going to understandably get bored. I know from my own experience that there are entire meditation schools in Asia dedicated to what you've done, so I'd like to hear what you say. You could maybe describe this journey to the afterlife in as much detail as you can, dropping concrete clues that help anyone recreate what you did.

Just an idea.

okay, you say you know of these asian schools that do this. can you please mention names?
In theory i should be able to tell them my experience and see if they can verify it, and attribute some more names/information to the different places up there.

obviously i used a drug to take me there, and it worked amazingly.
it was the plant Ambrosia, but a synthetic version of a dimensional gateway drug (there are many)

All drugs contribute different effects; many get you part-way there, such as Acid or LSD, but have so many other negative effects it's not worth it.
Many new-age hippies "reprogram" their minds with lsd, but that to me is the equivelant of performing open heart surgery with a tazer gun and a rusty steak knife... (please just picture that for a moment)
This one drug is the only one I've known of that gets you there whole, with a silver cord to protect you and take you back to your body when you're ready.
Bringing back memories are hard though; as they're soul memories, not brain memories.

without knowing how to bring back the memories clearly and concisely this method can become rather dangerous.
I'm assuming there's some form of a plant you can take with it to stabilise the effects and bring memories back.

[voltaire237]

Voltaire I would like to hear what you have to say also. I have had some lucid dreaming experiences (spontaneous, no drugs) which were sometimes wonderful and sometimes weird. I could use more information about this, but I'm happy to hear whatever you have to offer.


Now I'm assuming that the egyptians could perform this astral travel, however the grid must not have been errected then (since it is apparently Thoth who errected it)

There is some information online that says they used to astral travel to the Orion constellation, namely one of the solar systems on Orion's belt.

They also had very specific chambers built for this, with special beds of layered marble granite and other stuff to help "charge them"

this type of dreaming requires a very strong a clear mind. the longer you try and quiet your mind, the longer you can maintain in that dimension (and the more power you have there)

in theory we shouldn't be thinking with our inner monologue at all...

[Daozen]

If you don't provide something detailed and actionable, people are going to understandably get bored. I know from my own experience that there are entire meditation schools in Asia dedicated to what you've done, so I'd like to hear what you say. You could maybe describe this journey to the afterlife in as much detail as you can, dropping concrete clues that help anyone recreate what you did.

Just an idea.

okay, you say you know of these asian schools that do this. can you please mention names?
In theory i should be able to tell them my experience and see if they can verify it, and attribute some more names/information to the different places up there.

obviously i used a drug to take me there, and it worked amazingly.
it was the plant Ambrosia, but a synthetic version of a dimensional gateway drug (there are many)

All drugs contribute different effects; many get you part-way there, such as Acid or LSD, but have so many other negative effects it's not worth it.
Many new-age hippies "reprogram" their minds with lsd, but that to me is the equivelant of performing open heart surgery with a tazer gun and a rusty steak knife... (please just picture that for a moment)
This one drug is the only one I've known of that gets you there whole, with a silver cord to protect you and take you back to your body when you're ready.
Bringing back memories are hard though; as they're soul memories, not brain memories.

without knowing how to bring back the memories clearly and concisely this method can become rather dangerous.
I'm assuming there's some form of a plant you can take with it to stabilise the effects and bring memories back.

They hardly ever mentioned names as information like that was secret. Names of societies don't mean much, as in any given group, you would find some people sincere and helpful, and others who were obviously infiltrators. It was mainly related to Silat schools in Indonesia, but people with skills to travel to the other worlds are everywhere. It's an involved subject, because some layers of the non-material world are 100% fake, just traps to catch people and fix them further into the Matrix.

By Ambrosia, do you mean this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosia_psilostachya

*

They were also very tight-lipped about names of places. It was forbidden to speak or even ask about names of locations, or what happened on different planes. The culture in Asia is different. I do know that people in these schools are good at retaining brain memories of what happens on the other side, so much so- that they are able to meet someone in the other world, and remember what happened in the interaction. They can even tell you what your name is there, and that name will be consistent no matter who you ask, barring regional variations. It was the fact that they know my name in the other world that convinced me that the whole thing was real.

I'm more interested in learning how to travel there without drugs or plants.

[Wes Penre]

I was led to this thread by one of my forum members at http://wespenrepapers.proboards.com/ .

I have written about the Grid, how it affects us all, and how it keeps us contained here.

Therefore, I would like to make some reading suggestions regarding this subject, and at the same time emphasize how imperative it is for us to know about this before we exit our bodies. Knowledge IS power!

http://www.wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm

http://www.wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/contents.htm

and the Wes Penre Papers in general as a main reference, http://www.wespenre.com/index-level-one-to-level-five.htm.

But in this case, I would start with the first reference above and work myself down, if there is an interest.

Thanks you,
Wes

[Daozen]

Wes Penre has written extensively on Orion and the supposed Orion Wars that spilled over onto Earth. I can't prove what he wrote is true, but it rings true on a deep level. He is also one of the only people to write about the nano-realm... knowledge of that world is not widespread.

EDIT: P.S. Readers don't have to take my word for anything I write. You can meditate, and go deep inside to the center of the brain, or the center of the heart chakra, and see what you find in the micro-world there.

The onus is 100% on the reader to prove this information for themselves, not on me to provide "anecdotes". As the micro-world is smaller than ours, does that mean their energy is more concentrated than ours, like a bullet? Maybe. And how do mitochondira/midi-chlorians fit into this? I may have a completely different interpretation than Wes about what the Nano-World means, so this info is not endorsed by him. There may be lots of info in old Taoist diagrams. Enjoy.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/Neijingtu_from_KamLanKoon.jpg/220px-Neijingtu_from_KamLanKoon.jpg

[voltaire237]

If you don't provide something detailed and actionable, people are going to understandably get bored. I know from my own experience that there are entire meditation schools in Asia dedicated to what you've done, so I'd like to hear what you say. You could maybe describe this journey to the afterlife in as much detail as you can, dropping concrete clues that help anyone recreate what you did.

Just an idea.

okay, you say you know of these asian schools that do this. can you please mention names?
In theory i should be able to tell them my experience and see if they can verify it, and attribute some more names/information to the different places up there.

obviously i used a drug to take me there, and it worked amazingly.
it was the plant Ambrosia, but a synthetic version of a dimensional gateway drug (there are many)

All drugs contribute different effects; many get you part-way there, such as Acid or LSD, but have so many other negative effects it's not worth it.
Many new-age hippies "reprogram" their minds with lsd, but that to me is the equivelant of performing open heart surgery with a tazer gun and a rusty steak knife... (please just picture that for a moment)
This one drug is the only one I've known of that gets you there whole, with a silver cord to protect you and take you back to your body when you're ready.
Bringing back memories are hard though; as they're soul memories, not brain memories.

without knowing how to bring back the memories clearly and concisely this method can become rather dangerous.
I'm assuming there's some form of a plant you can take with it to stabilise the effects and bring memories back.

They hardly ever mentioned names as information like that was secret. Names of societies don't mean much, as in any given group, you would find some people sincere and helpful, and others who were obviously infiltrators. It was mainly related to Silat schools in Indonesia, but people with skills to travel to the other worlds are everywhere. It's an involved subject, because some layers of the non-material world are 100% fake, just traps to catch people and fix them further into the Matrix.

By Ambrosia, do you mean this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosia_psilostachya

*

They were also very tight-lipped about names of places. It was forbidden to speak or even ask about names of locations, or what happened on different planes. The culture in Asia is different. I do know that people in these schools are good at retaining brain memories of what happens on the other side, so much so- that they are able to meet someone in the other world, and remember what happened in the interaction. They can even tell you what your name is there, and that name will be consistent no matter who you ask, barring regional variations. It was the fact that they know my name in the other world that convinced me that the whole thing was real.

I'm more interested in learning how to travel there without drugs or plants.



You're clearly very auspicious and seem to know a lot more about the people who act as gatekeepers to this world than I.

So if you know that this is acheivable, and have met people who can travel to this plane, why are you casting aspergens of doubt on my experience?


I too would like to learn how to get there without synthetic substances. Else you can't balance yourself correctly there - there's too much pain in the world.
No that is not the Ambrosia im talking about.
The Ambrosia I'm referring to is the "milk of the gods" from classic greek mythology. What Hercules took to travel to the underworld and defeat Cerberus... something we all should be doing methinks...

[Sierra]

One of the things that make people feel jerked around is hearing what a substance is *not*, but not hearing what it *is*.

So what is ambrosia, what is the plant, substance or scientific name? Source or access? Preparation? Any forums where people post their experiences with the material? Risks, pitfalls?

As Daozen mentions, the carrot dangling doesn't work so well here anymore.

[Daozen]

One of the things that make people feel jerked around is hearing what a substance is *not*, but not hearing what it *is*.

So what is ambrosia, what is the plant, substance or scientific name? Source or access? Preparation? Any forums where people post their experiences with the material? Risks, pitfalls?

As Daozen mentions, the carrot dangling doesn't work so well here anymore.

That's what I was getting at, Sierra. Voltaire's experience is interesting, but readers need repeatability. If someone told us they made dry-ice in their kitchen sink, the next question would be *how?*.

So if someone claims to travel to another plane of existence, the next questions are: What plant did you use? What did you see? What did it feel like as you entered the plane? Were there any symptoms as you left the body? How long did the experience last? What did the beings who lived in that plane look like? On one hand, I respect your privacy, Voltaire... but you wondered why people were not so interested. If you don't provide reproducible details, readers will get bored. I said this all a few posts back. I'm not casting doubt on what you say, just suggesting you take the thread to another level.

[voltaire237]

[QUOTE=Sierra;1103813]
What plant did you use? What did you see? What did it feel like as you entered the plane? Were there any symptoms as you left the body? How long did the experience last? What did the beings who lived in that plane look like? On one hand, I respect your privacy, Voltaire... but you wondered why people were not so interested. If you don't provide reproducible details, readers will get bored. I said this all a few posts back. I'm not casting doubt on what you say, just suggesting you take the thread to another level.

I'm sorry if you feel jerked around but I'm trying to engage a conversation, whilst informing people about this process.
If i just wanted to tell people I'd probably have made a blog post about it instead, or put something on wikihow...

This is a dangerous process that I'm still learning about, and although I dont mind telling anyone the specific by PM, I want to at least form this into a discussion as opposed to just making a post with a step by step how to.


It isn't a plant, it does the same thing Ambrosia the "milk of the gods" from greek mythology does.
I understand the point about "i want to be able to go there myself, not use some drug to get there", but it's not that simple.

The substance I used is technically a drug (hence why I'm so cautious about telling people about it all in one go, as I don't want some kid reading the forum to look at my research discussion as a guide to **** themselves up/die)
that would make me the direct cause of their demise...

This drug is widely used at the moment, but it's the method of administration that changes the effects. Not a lot of people know that.

If LSD shows you a door
PCP opens that door to you and pushes you through
This pushes you through that door, closes it behind you, and gives you a silver spacesuit to protect you and let you move around inside then get you home after


It effectively takes your soul to the 4th/5th dimension (or underworld, whatever we're calling it) encased in a silver orb of light. this light has a long silver chord going back to your body. this chord is what sucks you back to your body once you're done.

That said there's been a lot of very negative effects of me going there. So I'd more recommend this as something to be researched by a group of people in a study than something for you to experiment with.

Its some kind of mathmatical law that when something really improbable happens to you (say 1 in 1000), then something else that has the odds of 1000/1 will also likely occur.
So the odds of someone going to the underworld are say 1,000,000/1
so now other equally improbable things keep happening as well
it's like i've cursed myself (or maybe it was just seen by the other entities that span this realm and that one as a trespass and now i've put my head above the parapit I've made myself a target... who knows?

either way this is the underworld of mythology, and there's a system in place there you need to know how to navigate
a lot of greek mythology explains what to do and how to do it
the story of hercules has an esoteric map inside it talking about this, i only have a few of the peices though, and the odds of me finding it all out alone is more improbable than me going there times a billion...

[Morbid]

hi. welcome. are they aware of this thread and the fact that you are communicating? is your identity known?

[Violet3]

Those tiny orbs or balls of energy/vibration sound like what Wilhelm Reich called 'orgone'. He built accumulators to use in healing/ therapy, also a 'cloud buster' and other instruments to affect weather and direct the energy. He died in prison in the US and his research was confiscated and instruments destroyed or removed. You can see the orgone like tiny bright dots against a blue sky on a sunny day. They move and float around like billions of tadpoles.

[amor]

Thank you for the information about energy from the pyramids making holes in aircraft which fly over them. It confirms, in a small way, my insight into the Bermuda Triangle disappearances as being "death ray beams" emanating from central crystals inside of pyramids whose energy stasis is maintained by cosmic rays focused by the shape of the pyramid. When an object passes over that cosmic maintained energy field, a shadow falls on the crystal and enables a release of energy toward the passing object in order to maintain energy balance of the crystal, hence the object is obliterated. I do not know where these ideas come from, they just all seem to be there already.