What God wills is so

[Rich]

..............

[Michelle Marie]

The practice of surrendering to God's Will seems to be an act of attunement, part to whole, soul to Spirit.

With this conscious intention, Spirit guides one through the soul's ability to perceive the intelligence impressed upon it.

Oneness becomes realized. The whole Spirit within, when closely paid attention to, reveals Absolute truth.

Nice thread. Thank you!
MM :heart:

[barneythez]

Be careful, "God" may not be who you think he/she is. The creator of this universe, is the 'creator'. God is......? Two separate beings? Does God have conditions for you to enter 'heaven'? Will God accept you as an equal?
You are, you just forgot.

[greybeard]

The late Dr David Hawkins who was an advocate of ACIM said that the text and the lessons were from different sources.
He promoted the lessons rather that the first part.
Healing centers were set up using the lessons ---seemed to produce beneficial results.

Separation is the illusion and leaving God is an impossibility, we thought we are separate.

Chris

[Baby Steps]

As Greybeard always says - there is only one.

Our mind is part of God, our will is part of God.

so our will is God's will. We may (should?) judge our own will- aspirations, enterprises, strivings, projects, but the great spirit truly does not judge our efforts. Because they are it's efforts.

All is perfection, in that there is no wrong choice, just choices that are stepping stones to subsequent different choices, all steps along the way...

'God' ultimately is infinite love, and our great illusion is that we are separate from that.

That is not a will or intention, it just is.

So our strivings along the path towards DROPPING the illusion of separation are us moving into alignment with the ultimate truth.

We do sometimes choose to step away. That is a great expression of our (God's) will. We are tasting the dark- that which we are not. The taste reminds us of that 'away path'.

Now there may be those who do not go in for just a taste - more like a nine course multi millennial feast. Well I hope they enjoy themselves. It is a path not to a valid alternative, but ultimately nothingess, it is a path that they will turn away from.....eventually.....

God bless.

[Lifebringer]

I believe that it takes time to"soften the hearts or punish the paroahs(making them or their seed walk in other's shoes) for the pharoah's to suffer the fate and understand and yield. Some die from heart attacks, and are given a chance to be forgiven, provided they change and "make amends. It takes time to sooth the beast in understanding they are committing wrong. As in the days of Moses, 10 plagues on the nation's people. So they try and plague us while God "works His way.
Jonah had to be shown to do Gods will, and he was a good guy. If God can swallow him up in a whale to make him understand, then I wouldn't want to be in any of the world's pharoahs at this time. He'll make them a offer, they better not refuse. To refuse is to lose when it comes to God's Universal Law.
However, everything in me tells me that at this time, it's too late for them to repent, they have crossed too many lines against God/Creation/Life, that they cannot and WILL not move forward, but dwell even deeper in their hell they created until their demise. Their line will not continue in eternity.

[Rich]

Be careful, "God" may not be who you think he/she is. The creator of this universe, is the 'creator'. God is......? Two separate beings? Does God have conditions for you to enter 'heaven'? Will God accept you as an equal?
You are, you just forgot.

Barney, ACIM explains that the Universe has not been created, it does not exist.
It’s a thought we think and because we think it real we see it.




Separation is the illusion and leaving God is an impossibility, we thought we are separate.



That’s right Chris, it means that there is no suffering except by our choosing. Not that we choose suffering directly but we make choices that hurt us. The ego says we are separate which causes the suffering and the choices that are made according to this belief.

Yesterday as I was searching in ACIM I came across a line that struck me: Every loving thought is true.

Haven’t read all of it yet, it’s a big book.

[greybeard]

Be careful, "God" may not be who you think he/she is. The creator of this universe, is the 'creator'. God is......? Two separate beings? Does God have conditions for you to enter 'heaven'? Will God accept you as an equal?
You are, you just forgot.

Barney, ACIM explains that the Universe has not been created, it does not exist.
It’s a thought we think and because we think it real we see it.




Separation is the illusion and leaving God is an impossibility, we thought we are separate.



That’s right Chris, it means that there is no suffering except by our choosing. Not that we choose suffering directly but we make choices that hurt us. The ego says we are separate which causes the suffering and the choices that are made according to this belief.

Yesterday as I was searching in ACIM I came across a line that struck me: Every loving thought is true.

Haven’t read all of it yet, it’s a big book.

Ramana and Nasargadatta amongst other say the same.
Neither creation nor dissolution----
You are the unborn. The child of a barren woman, according to Nisargadatta.

If I was to choose between Western teachers and Ramana and Nisargadatta I would chose them---India is the cradle of spirituality.
Western teachers seem to simplify in order for the teaching to be believable, acceptable to the Western mind.
In fairness some are being quite direct now.

The bottom line is "Only God is and you are that" One without a second---that is very clear--no subject not object --not two.

Advaita means not two---one substance.

Not easy to believe in our world of seemingly separate things.

The Course is very good at getting you away from all concepts.
It challenges all that you believe in.
Teaches you to think out of the box of duality.
I went to a study group for several years.

Chris

[Rich]

I believe that it takes time to"soften the hearts or punish the paroahs(making them or their seed walk in other's shoes) for the pharoah's to suffer the fate and understand and yield. Some die from heart attacks,

Lifebringer, God does not punish. It is the ego that says that God is evil as a defense to stay away from God,
who wants to be with a God that punishes them?
Because ego cannot see anything to be unlike itself or it would deny it’s own “reality”.
If Love is true the ego cannot exist at all.

Chris, what I like about ACIM is that it tells you the truth straight up, it doesn't beat around the bush like other teachers.

[greybeard]

The challenge is, in coming to thread like this is to be open minded enough to at least let go of your beliefs for a while.

Eckhart Tolle said, at one talk imagine that you dont have a name, what would that be like?
He then said that the name is the repository--the basket that holds all kind of beliefs.

Mooji said "All this world is imagined---you were never even born--you will never die but your idea of who you are will die"

Its a big step for most to take the following statement on board/

"If you seek reality you must set yourself free of all backgrounds, of all cultures, of all patterns of thinking and feeling.
Even the idea of being man or woman, or even human should be discarded.
The ocean of life contains all, not only humans.

So, first of all abandon all self-identification,
stop thinking of yourself as such-and-such or so-and-so, this or that.

Abandon all self-concern, worry not about your welfare, material or spiritual, abandon every desire, gross or subtle, stop thinking of achievement of any kind.

You are complete here and now, you need absolutely nothing."

- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Chris

[barneythez]

The veil hasn't been lifted for me yet. It may have for you. If so, congratulations! So, until then, I believe that creation, and 'God', are not quite the same. God is a trap. Creation has no name.
I have an open mind, so it changes all the time, but for now, until you can convince me otherwise, that is how I feel. Not read. Books have wonderful insights, but I take them with a grain of salt.
Happy Travels.

[greybeard]

The only thing that we can for sure agree on is that "I" exist.
That knowing exists completely independent of any concept/thought.
In silence "I" is there.
That is what you are---The is called Self realization (Enlightenment)---when you realize that you are That.
This is proclaimed by all mystics
Enlightenment literally means the removal of ignorance--ie the thought that you are a separate individual. There is no separate god.

Hope that helps

Chris

[greybeard]

In India Self realization is also called God realization.
Those that this has happened to are know to say "I am the totality, all of it"
Divine grace has removed all obstacles to Self realisation.

So what God wills is so.

Chris

[Rich]

The veil hasn't been lifted for me yet. It may have for you. If so, congratulations! So, until then, I believe that creation, and 'God', are not quite the same. God is a trap. Creation has no name.
I have an open mind, so it changes all the time, but for now, until you can convince me otherwise, that is how I feel. Not read. Books have wonderful insights, but I take them with a grain of salt.
Happy Travels.


There is nothing outside you. That is what you must ultimately learn, for it is the realization that the Kingdom of Heaven is restored to you. For God created only this, and He did not depart from it nor leave it separate from Himself. The Kingdom of Heaven is the dwelling place of the Son of God, who left not his Father and dwells not apart from Him. Heaven is not a place nor a condition. It is merely an awareness of perfect Oneness, and the knowledge that there is nothing else; nothing outside this Oneness, and nothing else within. ~ACIM

[Rich]

This world is a picture of the crucifixion of God's Son. And until you realize that God's Son cannot be crucified, this is the world you will see. Yet you will not realize this until you accept the eternal fact that God's Son is not guilty. He deserves only love because he has given only love. He cannot be condemned because he has never condemned. The Atonement is the final lesson he need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation.

[Johnny]

.....

Eckhart Tolle said, at one talk imagine that you dont have a name, what would that be like?
He then said that the name is the repository--the basket that holds all kind of beliefs.
.......
Chris

LOL. My mother decided my name and the entire universe had/has to obey this, and do you know what? They do it damn !!! :bigsmile:

Johnny :)

[Satori]

I honestly and sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and I would defend your right to believe what you want to believe about God or anything else. I would also defend my right and any one else's right to see things in a different light and hold different beliefs. But I honestly and sincerely do not know what God means. Whose God? Is this a personal God? Is this infinite intelligence, Universe, the laws of physics, math, Jewish, Christian, Islam, all of the foregoing, some but not others of the foregoing, if so which ones and why? And so on. Respectfully.

[Lancet]

from my 2 fav comedians;);).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo

[greybeard]

I honestly and sincerely mean no disrespect to anyone and I would defend your right to believe what you want to believe about God or anything else. I would also defend my right and any one else's right to see things in a different light and hold different beliefs. But I honestly and sincerely do not know what God means. Whose God? Is this a personal God? Is this infinite intelligence, Universe, the laws of physics, math, Jewish, Christian, Islam, all of the foregoing, some but not others of the foregoing, if so which ones and why? And so on. Respectfully.

Using your questions the nearest would be infinite intelligence, an energy of love.
Trouble with spirituality is it has a language, terms of its own.
The label God is misused miss understood --best left alone.
Best wishes
Chris

[Rich]

But I honestly and sincerely do not know what God means.
To me it means our creator/source.


Excerpts from Lesson 190

Pain is a wrong perspective. When it is experienced in any form, it is a proof of self-deception. It is not a fact at all. There is no form it takes that will not disappear if seen aright. For pain proclaims God cruel. How could it be real in any form? It witnesses to God the Father's hatred of His Son, the sinfulness He sees in him, and His insane desire for revenge and death.

It is your thoughts alone that cause you pain. Nothing external to your mind can hurt or injure you in anyway. There is no cause beyond yourself that can reach down and bring oppression. No one but yourself affects you. There is nothing in the world that has the power to make you ill or sad, or weak or frail. But it is you who have the power to dominate all things you see by merely recognizing what you are. As you perceive the harmlessness in them, they will accept your holy will as theirs. And what was seen as fearful now becomes a source of innocence and holiness.

My holy brother, think of this awhile: The world you see does nothing. It has no effects at all. It merely represents your thoughts. And it will change entirely as you elect to change your mind, and choose the joy of God as what you really want. Your Self is radiant in this holy joy, unchanged, unchanging and unchangeable, forever and forever. And would you deny a little corner of your mind its own inheritance, and keep it as a hospital for pain; a sickly place where living things must come at last to die?

The world may seem to cause you pain. And yet the world, as causeless, has no power to cause. As an effect, it cannot make effects. As an illusion, it is what you wish. Your idle wishes represent its pains. Your strange desires bring it evil dreams. Your thoughts of death envelop it in fear, while in your kind forgiveness does it live.

[Cardillac]

God supposedly at times "tests our faith"- if so, God has a human ego (does God need this?) meaning he thinks like we do (if God thinks as we humans do we're really f****d"-

does God awake every morning and sit at his celestial desk left-mouse clicking on all the newborns that day deciding whose life he will make comfortable and whose lives he will "test their faith"?

boy, God seems to love the international banksters (and royal families!); nothing 'bad' ever seems to happen to them and their faith never seems to be tested; they all lead prosperous, long lives while ripping people off and they all seem to die of natural causes and don't have to languish as so many others do before they die...

people need to come to their senses about religious dogmas-

Larry

[greybeard]

But I honestly and sincerely do not know what God means.
To me it means our creator/source.


Excerpts from Lesson 190

Pain is a wrong perspective. When it is experienced in any form, it is a proof of self-deception. It is not a fact at all. There is no form it takes that will not disappear if seen aright. For pain proclaims God cruel. How could it be real in any form? It witnesses to God the Father's hatred of His Son, the sinfulness He sees in him, and His insane desire for revenge and death.

It is your thoughts alone that cause you pain. Nothing external to your mind can hurt or injure you in anyway. There is no cause beyond yourself that can reach down and bring oppression. No one but yourself affects you. There is nothing in the world that has the power to make you ill or sad, or weak or frail. But it is you who have the power to dominate all things you see by merely recognizing what you are. As you perceive the harmlessness in them, they will accept your holy will as theirs. And what was seen as fearful now becomes a source of innocence and holiness.

My holy brother, think of this awhile: The world you see does nothing. It has no effects at all. It merely represents your thoughts. And it will change entirely as you elect to change your mind, and choose the joy of God as what you really want. Your Self is radiant in this holy joy, unchanged, unchanging and unchangeable, forever and forever. And would you deny a little corner of your mind its own inheritance, and keep it as a hospital for pain; a sickly place where living things must come at last to die?

The world may seem to cause you pain. And yet the world, as causeless, has no power to cause. As an effect, it cannot make effects. As an illusion, it is what you wish. Your idle wishes represent its pains. Your strange desires bring it evil dreams. Your thoughts of death envelop it in fear, while in your kind forgiveness does it live.

Very powerful Em Ex
Great thread
Thanks Chris


This is pasted from the website linked below


Healing the Dream of Sickness

The excerpts that follow are from the workshop held at the Center in Temecula, CA, in February 2002. Sickness and the body are viewed in their metaphysical context, in which their purpose is defined as the fulfillment of the ego's wish to keep separation real in our minds while projecting responsibility for our condition. Sickness, regardless of its form, is seen as a shadow of our unconscious belief in sin and guilt. The body and the world, thus, are the source of neither sickness nor healing. Consequently, healing rests in our being able to look with Jesus at our decision to push love away and then blame something outside ourselves for our plight. Our joining with Jesus in this way—without judgment—removes the cause of all sickness.

https://www.facim.org/online-learning-aids/excerpt-series/healing-the-dream-of-sickness.aspx

[Rich]

God supposedly at times "tests our faith"- if so, God has a human ego (does God need this?) meaning he thinks like we do (if God thinks as we humans do we're really f****d"-
.............
people need to come to their senses about religious dogmas-
Larry


Larry, every negative definition we have about God, ourselves and others comes from the ego, God made us perfect because that's how He is.

Thanks Chris good link btw, I post what I find inspiring or relevant to me.
Like recently where I felt betrayed by a friend, I remember the thought I had before it happened.

One way of going free according to Lester is to take responsibility for everything that happens to us, ask “How did I cause this situation?” until the thought that caused it comes up.

Thus we know we are the dreamer and not some powerless figure of some “random dream”.


Excerpts from Chapter 26 – X. The End of Injustice

Unfairness and attack are one mistake, so firmly joined that where one is perceived the other must be seen. You cannot be unfairly treated. The belief you are is but another form of the idea you are deprived by someone not yourself. Projection of the cause of sacrifice is at the root of everything perceived to be unfair and not your just deserts. Yet it is you who ask this of yourself, in deep injustice to the Son of God. You have no enemy except yourself, and you are enemy indeed to him because you do not know him as yourself. What could be more unjust than that he be deprived of what he is, denied the right to be himself, and asked to sacrifice his Father's Love and yours as not his due?

Beware of the temptation to perceive yourself unfairly treated. In this view, you seek to find an innocence that is not Theirs but yours alone, and at the cost of someone else's guilt. Can innocence be purchased by the giving of your guilt to someone else? And is it innocence that your attack on him attempts to get? Is it not retribution for your own attack upon the Son of God you seek? Is it not safer to believe that you are innocent of this, and victimized despite your innocence? Whatever way the game of guilt is played, there must be loss. Someone must lose his innocence that someone else can take it from him, making it his own.

What this injustice does to you who judge unfairly, and who see as you have judged, you cannot calculate. The world grows dim and threatening, not a trace of all the happy sparkle that salvation brings can you perceive to lighten up your way. And so you see yourself deprived of light, abandoned to the dark, unfairly left without a purpose in a futile world. The world is fair because the Holy Spirit has brought injustice to the light within, and there has all unfairness been resolved and been replaced with justice and with love. If you perceive injustice anywhere, you need but say:

By this do I deny the Presence of the Father and the Son. And I would rather know of Them than see injustice, which Their Presence shines away.

[greybeard]

Lester was a good teacher EmEx.
It really is good that you are sharing ACIM I had forgotten how good and relevant it is

Chris

[Rich]

Chapter 18 – The Little Willingness

1. The holy instant is the result of your determination to be holy. It is the answer. The desire and the willingness to let it come precede its coming. You prepare your mind for it only to the extent of recognizing that you want it above all else. It is not necessary that you do more; indeed, it is necessary that you realize that you cannot do more. Do not attempt to give the Holy Spirit what He does not ask, or you will add the ego to Him and confuse the two. He asks but little. It is He Who adds the greatness and the might. He joins with you to make the holy instant far greater than you can understand. It is your realization that you need do so little that enables Him to give so much.

2. Trust not your good intentions. They are not enough. But trust implicitly your willingness, whatever else may enter. Concentrate only on this, and be not disturbed that shadows surround it. That is why you came. If you could come without them you would not need the holy instant. Come to it not in arrogance, assuming that you must achieve the state its coming brings with it. The miracle of the holy instant lies in your willingness to let it be what it is. And in your willingness for this lies also your acceptance of yourself as you were meant to be.

3. Humility will never ask that you remain content with littleness. But it does require that you be not content with less than greatness that comes not of you. Your difficulty with the holy instant arises from your fixed conviction that you are not worthy of it. And what is this but the determination to be as you would make yourself? God did not create His dwelling place unworthy of Him. And if you believe He cannot enter where He wills to be, you must be interfering with His Will. You do not need the strength of willingness to come from you, but only from His Will.

full text: http://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/course-miracles-chapter-18-iv-little-willingness/

[Rich]

Excerpts from Lesson 152

The power of decision is my own.

No one can suffer loss unless it be his own decision. No one suffers pain
except his choice elects this state for him. No one can grieve nor fear nor
think him sick unless these are the outcomes that he wants. And no one dies
without his own consent. Nothing occurs but represents your wish, and
nothing is omitted that you choose. Here is your world, complete in all
details. Here is its whole reality for you. And it is only here salvation is.

You may believe that this position is extreme, and too inclusive to be true.
Yet can truth have exceptions? If you have the gift of everything, can loss
be real? Can pain be part of peace, or grief of joy? Can fear and sickness
enter in a mind where love and perfect holiness abide? Truth must be all-
inclusive, if it be the truth at all. Accept no opposites and no exceptions, for
to do so is to contradict the truth entirely.


As God created you, you must remain unchangeable, with transitory states
by definition false. And that includes all shifts in feeling, alterations in
conditions of the body and the mind; in all awareness and in all response.
This is the all-inclusiveness which sets the truth apart from falsehood, and
the false kept separate from the truth, as what it is.

[greybeard]

Anything that is transitory is not what you are--you are unchanging and eternal.
Thanks for the ACIM lessons EmEx

Chris