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Sueanne47

24th September 2016, 23:52

RunningDeer

25th September 2016, 00:43

The continuing series from the team of Mr. and Mrs. Endall Beall and Doug Michael is eye opening, confirming and a delight to read and listen to (Doug Michael YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/DougMichael68/videos?spfreload=10)). Warning: colorful language

Strive to Be
by Doug Michael

You must strive to be your own leader, your own teacher, your own shaman, your own guru.
The moment you externalize to find your answer is when it is all given away and all is lost.
The only truth, the only guidance and the only answer already exists within you.
There is no outside savior, no authority over you; the only true path to salvation is internal.
Follow the road that leads within.

Controlling the Human Herd Pastoralism and Social Engineering
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Published on Jul 2, 2016

In this segment, Doug examines the regimenting of human beings through herd management and crowd psychology. All images contained herein are used for educational purposes only, in accordance with Fair Use.

http://www.demystifyingthemystical.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastora...
http://www.dougmichaeltruth.com/
New Paradigm Transcripts: https://www.createspace.com/6116456

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Why Eroding Beliefs is Important
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Published on Apr 5, 2016

In this segment, Doug discusses why it's crucial to examine cultural, social, religious and all other systems of belief and to allow them to fall into the dust where they belong. All images contained herein are used for educational purposes only, in accordance with Fair Use.

New Paradigm Transcripts: https://www.createspace.com/6116456 Discount code: W9SSG6JV
http://www.dougmichaeltruth.com/

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Destroying Spiritual Myths Ascension, Abundance and Material Gain
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Published on Aug 18, 2016

Doug examines the ascension myth, along with the erroneous ideas of non-judgement and manifestation. He also explores the perspective that nothing is sacred or "divine." Photography by Yardley Pearson.

http://www.ascensionsymptoms.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9bmv...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_V...
http://www.dougmichaeltruth.com/
http://www.demystifyingthemystical.com/
http://www.redbubble.com/people/endallbeall/portfolio
http://www.yardleypearson.com/

Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 00:52

Thank you Running Deer, you've given me a lot of reading to do! all we have to do is love.. :heart:

RunningDeer

25th September 2016, 01:07

all we have to do is love.. :heart:
That's one of my top three list.

Some notes:

All religions are sprinkled with truth to guide humanity down dead-end paths and propaganda at the hands of the inorganics to move and create a collective hive mind. They pedal to convince you to give your power away to some self-perceived set of spiritual short cuts. (Fabian Theosophy and Fake Gurus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEuZzxewjA))

The concept of the divine form in any form is nothing but a cognitive trap of submission into a fabricated belief system not of human design. The Hapiym mind virus has controlled our consciousness since our species was created. It’s come about at the hands of the ancient gods and the inorganic hive mind of the cosmic hapiym collective has kept humanity subservient throughout the ages with all their doctrines of divine submission.

Psoyca represents pragmatic cognitive advancement without the reliance on mystical interpretations that the word spirit represents to the first cognition perceptual reality. With the word psoyca , there is absolutely no reliance on any concept of a supernatural higher consciousness than one's own consciousness.

A repost:

Wisdom Nuggets, by: Doug Michael
[article (http://www.dougmichaeltruth.com/wisdom-nuggets/)]

Snippets:

- Happiness is not something you find or pursue; it is something that is created from within.

- Honor diversity. Celebrate uniqueness and individualism. Cherish the beauty in selfhood and respect everyone’s right to be a self. Reject collectivism and the erroneous belief in authority.

- My education began once I finished school and began to unlearn everything the establishment taught me. There are two types of education; the one we receive from the system and the one we give to ourselves. Which do you think is more valuable?

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- Those who have extinguished the light within themselves often live to extinguish yours. Hold compassion for the self-murdered yet do not allow them to destroy what you have cultivated within yourself. Sometimes compassion involves allowing someone to dwell within their self-created prison but also having enough compassion for yourself to not allow it to affect you negatively.

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- The greatest threat to the establishment today is the person who can think independently and maintains the ability to continuously scrutinize what they think they know. The challenger of conventional thought, the critical thinker, the man or woman of ideas is the enemy, the one who walks alone.

She will not join, she will not conform, she will not waver. She has detached from the herd. The free thinker is perceived as the dangerous one. His ideas are a danger to the system, to his peers and to the rigid confines of ego centered consciousness. He is a rebel in the truest sense. He/she is the sane amongst the unsane, the one whose guidance comes only from within. Think for yourself and watch the lie become dust beneath your feet!

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/General/warriorsconfrontevil_zps0dn0xeao.JPG

- You have been trained your whole life to silence your inner voice. You have been conditioned to distrust your own inherent intelligence, to externalize to find that which can only be found within. You have been hypnotized to beLIEve that you are only the thinker, not the perceiver, that you are powerless, weak and small. The lies must be put to rest, and you must stand within your own magnificence if you are ever to affect change in your life and in the world.

♡

joeecho

25th September 2016, 01:15

Old age - New age

Or what I like to refer to as

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg

ElfeMya

25th September 2016, 02:25

Hey Suanne, thanks for bringing up the topic.
I found New Age when I was young and in a complex situation and at the time it felt that I had, at least, some reasons to hope.
On the different aspect your aised I would like to share my experience ( and really, that is all it is, my experience with it ) :

- Doing yoga : I am not a big practitioner, more an off / on newbie however each time I have practiced it I have experienced a significant shift in the perception I have of my own body, I don't mean the ideas I have in my mind about my body I mean the perception, physical way I feel my body. It lifted some kind of fog that is with me the rest of the time, I felt my legs for exmaple and their strength ( I was diagnosed with over the top leg strength when doing fitness tests, I never knew I had it before I did the fitness standards tests. ) and I felt them in a way I had never experienced. It has also helped me significantly release pain, physical pain stored in my body. Wil this make me become suddenly enlightened ? I don't know. I only know that yoga is beneficial for me though I am more like a brick on the mat than a pretzel.

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- eating healthy : coming from a past of abuse I held the belief ( deep down and of course, out of my usual awareness ) that I was damaged good leading to a lot of self destructive and sabotaing behaviors. When I came across the " eating healthy is a way to love yourself " message, it took me a while to be able to do it and it helped diggiing out the traumas and their relationships to the programs I was running. I hate unhealthy ( and I really mean $hit ) for so long that my body developped a big bunch of reactions and allergies to a lot of food and it left me being able to eat nuts, seeds, fruits, veggies and meat. For ethical reasons I dumped the meat and staying with the rest of the food my body did not reject led me to a lot of discoveries on myself. I was not floating like superman on a cloud of ... I don't know what ;-) So eating healthy, is more like a journey to me but I am grateful I bumped into this concept while exploring the New Age thingy.

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-less fluoride. I ditched a lot of products ( including water - acknowledged to have some and my teeth did not fall out. I did oil pulling for a while then made my own toothpaste. It works as good as the old Colgate... ( not advertising the brand but this is one of the major brand sold here along with Signal ). At first I had to adjust to the feeling of the home made thing but now I am happy with it. A good regular brushing makes my teeth whiter and I don't have all the residue in my mouth after using it. I also make my own deodorant that is so creamy it can be used as a moisturiser.
Doing this has suprisingly made my life much simpler. I make a big batch of all the goodies, store them in the fridge ( tropical living here, so hot ) and use it as I need. I don't prodice more garbage as I keep them in recycled glass jar.

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Overall, very much like you, I am not super extactic about a lof of things promised by the New Age. I followed the path and I still am in the same set of circumstances, chopping wood and carrying water and I did not fly in psychedelic clouds of color like I was superman.
However , as an individual, some of the concepts I came accross during that New Age-y exploration really helped me change my life for the better and I am grateful.

If somebody has the trick to fly on the rainbow cloud, please don't hesitate to share !
:ROFL:
Hugs to all !

Fellow Aspirant

25th September 2016, 02:36

Sueanne47

While I think it's wise to 'be your own boss' and to dispense with the trappings of New Age gurus who offer to take you down the right 'path', I feel that you should continue your meditation.

"I'm definately not going to do any more meditating."

Meditation is a vehicle for spiritual awakening. In fact, meditation is likely to be the best way to discover your real self and your relation to the 'All'. The way to the sacred is bound up in personal intent. So, my advice, for what it's worth, :heart: is to keep your self in the driver's seat and focus on what you need. Look where it's gotten you so far!

Namaste,

Brian

Justplain

25th September 2016, 02:42

I dont know, Suanne47 and Runningdeer, there is a very strong tradition from Eastern and Western mysticism that points to a central source to the multi-verse. Although it may be impossible to comprehend the infinite and eternal, that is where the source of all is.

The path to 'cosmic awareness' requires the vanquishing of the 'me-me' ego, which may be driven by the inorganic 'flyers' of Castenada fame. However, the little me in all of us is driven by selfishness and is not fundamentally controlled by the flyers but by its own self interest . My understanding is that when mini-me is transcended, then cosmic awareness, or consciousness, sets in.

If you want to read an account of the spiritual life of an eastern mystic, there's 'the Autobiography of a Yogi' by Yogananda. These yogis experience enhanced psychic abilities the closer they get to cosmic consciousness. Life is seen as an illusion. These mystics arent fooled by the devil, they are experiencing that we are all one at the source. The eternal and infinite creator is where our home is. That is no illusion nor deception.

wnlight

25th September 2016, 02:49

Well, I will continue to meditate. It has been good to me. I'm not really new-age. No yoga. I still enjoy meat. I am not religious in any respect. That includes any new age religions. I do not seem to fit into any flock!

ZooLife

25th September 2016, 03:24

Meditating has it's purpose just like being out in nature has its purpose.

Hint, they both have the same purpose along with countless others.

lunaflare

25th September 2016, 03:44

Meditation is being mindful.
I would venture to say the aim is to have greater mastery of one's thoughts and to discover/uncover/recover one's natural inner state; of calm, creative, well-being...
And one does not have to sit silently in a lotus position to do this

RunningDeer

25th September 2016, 04:25

I'm definately not going to do any more meditating.
I’ve done Tai Chi, a moving meditation, for twenty-eight years. I put it on hold for the summer. Along with my furniture and lamps, I dust off the matching cranberry zafu cushion and meditation mat.

The unseen family respects my decision to live the way of a spirit-human where I engage the Q&A’s and peace and love and life and spontaneity and joy and …

Rather than empty the mind, I reflect and process each moment on whatever comes up that keeps me from my core, where I’ve always been the same. I like it there.

And still in rare instances, I’m privy to things done without anyone doing.

Life is meditation.

♡

ZooLife

25th September 2016, 04:38

Life is meditation.

♡

Oh my! That is it in a nutshell, Paula.

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greybeard

25th September 2016, 06:22

New age is about getting--as in personal power/ control/creating and becoming a purified, better me.
The Universe is not a Shopping Mall.

Meditation/Enlightenment is about finding the Self within, which is perfect, no improvement necessary or even possible.

As said its not a sit down job, its being aware of awareness.

Chris

Mike

25th September 2016, 06:35

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I'm definately not going to do any more meditating.
I’ve done Tai Chi, a moving meditation, for twenty-eight years. I put it on hold for the summer. Along with my furniture and lamps, I dust off the matching cranberry zafu cushion and meditation mat.

The unseen family respects my decision to live the way of a spirit-human where I engage the Q&A’s and peace and love and life and spontaneity and joy and …

Rather than empty the mind, I reflect and process each moment on whatever comes up that keeps me from my core, where I’ve always been the same. I like it there.

And still in rare instances, I’m privy to things done without anyone doing.

Life is meditation.

♡

brilliant

greybeard

25th September 2016, 08:15

In fairness, its my age.

For years I went through, self improvement books, cds, videos, seminars--manifesting techniques, meditating to get some thing--ie enlightenment.

Again to be fair there is a place for improving self worth etc till you come to the place where it is no longer that relevant.

I have always been up for a challenge--the path of enlightenment is the most difficult but rewarding endeavor I have ever undertaken and it is downright dangerous to the notion that I am a separate individual, separate from "God" "One without a second"--creator---Self.
The ego which is a separation device will kick and scream and make life seem to be difficult to keep one in avoidance of spiritual truth.

Not everyone is called to discover there true identity and thats just fine, took me long enough to get started to look within.

Meditation is important be it the seated kind, or out there in life being present--not sleep walking through the day.

Chris

Marikins

25th September 2016, 16:37

What is demonic? Sounds like a simple question but it is not in a mindscape that has been seeded by religions.
I think of 'demonic' as a quaint reference to beings outside of our dimension who have an anti-life agenda. But then so do a lot of those classified as non-demonic.
Dear Sueanne47, they are trying to make you afraid of taking your freedom into your own hands. If you meditate, if you study getting out of your current programming. you will see more. 'More' includes the good, the bad and the ugly. Do not allow yourself to be suppressed. Do not obey. Do not allow others to tell you how to think.

Atlas

25th September 2016, 17:26

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DeDukshyn

25th September 2016, 17:37

greybeard

25th September 2016, 18:20

...

I'm definately not going to do any more meditating.
...

I'd say that no one should take any one "youtube video" without a shaker full of salt ... or two.

My answer to your statement on meditating is simply this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83971-Why-you-need-to-start-meditation-now-

If anyone wants what DeDukshyn is pointing to on the linked thread then they need to do --the work consistently.
The egoic mind does not want a quiet mind, it will do all it can to distract you in order that it, the noisy one, will survive.
Millions of points of view on U tube--there is only one you.

Chris

Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 19:12

Thanks everyone! :heart:

I just want to show you what I mean by superman, this guy is cute, but come on, does he honestly think we would open our minds and hear an arcturian or whatever speaking to us? and what would we do with a galactic wand?!?

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I'd just like to relax, eat good food & chill! I dont wanna channel no alien....or demon! :ph34r: :hippie:

There is also Dynamo the famous magician, someone on his video commented that Jinns were using him and they are involved in majic, mediums, channelling, hypnotism, chamanism, astral projection.

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greybeard

25th September 2016, 19:19

Dear Sueanne47
Mediation has got nothing to do with listening for voices, connecting with, channeling and so forth.
Nothing to do with all the New Age stuff on the Internet.

Meditation is about quietening your mind and in that peace and stillness--your own Self can be uncovered--your true identity.

Spirituality is about one thing and one thing only and that is realizing the Self.
Meditation is a tool that can assist in this.

Chris

Atlas

25th September 2016, 19:30

shadowstalker

25th September 2016, 20:01

I'm definately not going to do any more meditating.

1 question for you Sueanne47
Actually ask yourself this question.
What has meditation done that I feel is harming me, for me to stop?
Am i giving into others fears and propaganda.
What can I really do to find my own truth with out falling into the simplicity of fear from others.

Catsquotl

25th September 2016, 20:13

There's a few additional questions to ask after that. What is meditation. Which flavours are there. what purpose do they serve etc.

I've come to see meditations like programming languages. there are a ton of them out there and most have been created to solve a different problem. or even though they can all solve a simmilar problem. one is usually better equipt to solve it eloquently. whilst another solves it crudely. Like when you only have a hammer each problem will look like a nail. Get the right tool for the problem at hand.

with love
eelco

norman

25th September 2016, 20:23

I've heard and read some pretty whacky notions about meditation. All of them lost in chasing a cerebral tail around in circles.

It might be better to use a new word for it, since "meditation" has become like an Italian design studio version of a turd and toothpick kit.

I've been calling it a 'reeboot' lately. It defines it as distinctly other than any kind of "process", that even now, 3 or 4 decaded after the power gurus, is more noise than signal.

Hervé

25th September 2016, 20:38

Picking a meditation that's right for one is like going to the village market to get some fruits and vegetables... first you have to pick a market that sells only certified organic product (i.e. not poisoned by Monsanto's roundup/glyphosate)... then you look and smell and weight and... whatever one does to pick the right one for today or next week...

Anyways, the results can be quite amazing:

An elementary school has kids meditate instead of punishing them and the results are profound (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/school-sending-children-meditate/http://thefreethoughtproject.com/school-sending-children-meditate/)

John Vibes Free Thought Project (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/school-sending-children-meditate/http://thefreethoughtproject.com/school-sending-children-meditate/) Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:49 UTC

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It was recently reported that Robert W. Coleman Elementary in West Baltimore will be taking a new and holistic approach to disciplining students. Instead of punishing them or sending them to the principal's office, administrators will now be sending children to "the mindful moment room" where they will be able to meditate and wind down.

The new policy has been in place for over a year, and in the time that the meditation room has been set up, there has actually been no suspensions throughout the entire year.

The program is an initiative organized by the Holistic Life Foundation, a Baltimore-based nonprofit organization committed to nurturing the wellness of children and adults in underserved communities.

Andres Gonzalez, one of the organizers of the project, says that children are even bringing home what they are learning to their families.
"That's how you stop the trickle-down effect, when Mom or Pops has a hard day and yells at the kids, and then the kids go to school and yell at their friends," he says. "We've had parents tell us, 'I came home the other day stressed out, and my daughter said, Hey, Mom, you need to sit down. I need to teach you how to breathe,'" Gonzalez said. (http://www.oprah.com/inspiration/Baltimore-City-Elementary-Meditation-With-Kids?FB=fb_omag_baltimore_elementary_meditation) There are many advantages to meditation, which are now being confirmed by scientific studies. We have learned through scientific research that meditation can relieve pain, enhance creativity, relieve stress and boost immune systems. In 1998, a breakthrough study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, by a DR. Dean Ornish showed that meditation can actually reverse heart disease. This study lasted for over 5 years and involved various control groups that all had coronary artery disease, and only one of these groups practiced meditation. Amazingly the group that practiced meditation had actually managed to reverse the effects of the illness.

The consistent application of bringing one's attention to the present moment is key to any form of meditation. This means that nearly any experience can be meditative. A bike ride, a walk under the stars, writing poetry, or any practice that offers individual quiet time within your own heart and mind can be considered a form of meditation.

Over time, various teachers organized their specific meditation practices into cohesive styles and philosophies, each with its own instructions and insights. Around the 5th and 6th centuries BCE, Confucian and Taoist meditations appear in China, and Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist meditations developed in India.

These various schools of meditation taught different methods for remaining in the present moment, some involving the counting of breaths, contemplative thought, or repeating sacred words and sounds known as Mantras.

There are also different types of meditation positions. Some schools practice sitting cross-legged ("lotus" or "half lotus"), walking, or lying down meditation. You also may have noticed that certain traditions will feature symbolic hand gestures and positions during their meditation. These are known as mudras and are found in Hindu and Buddhist practices. People also meditate for different reasons. Most people would say that meditation can be a religious or spiritual experience, while others find it to be a helpful relaxation and anger management tool.

In this one Baltimore school, the powers of living in the present are coming to fruition.

Baby Steps

25th September 2016, 20:49

Atlas

25th September 2016, 20:49

[...] the Holistic Life Foundation, a Baltimore-based nonprofit organization committed to nurturing the wellness of children and adults in underserved communities.
The Holistic Life Foundation and its work with urban youth introducing them to yoga:
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Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 20:49

Actually ask yourself this question.
What has meditation done that I feel is harming me, for me to stop?
Am i giving into others fears and propaganda.
What can I really do to find my own truth with out falling into the simplicity of fear from others.

I liked to sit in silence in the sun, empty my head of thought, and keep the world outside. But if my Pineal gland became awakened, I feel I dont know what I'll be entering into. I'm afraid of any archonic energy messing with my mind.

greybeard

25th September 2016, 21:05

The only thing to be frightened of is fear---nothing is going to get you in the somewhat unlikely event that the Pineal gland awakes.
.I say unlikely as its much talked about in new age but not in spiritual circles.
I have never met anyone that this has genuinely happened to.
Why worry?

Chris

Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 21:17

So what Carolyn Hamlett said about the demonic realm is all a crock of sh*te Chris?

greybeard

25th September 2016, 21:32

So what Carolyn Hamlett said about the demonic realm is all a crock of sh*te Chris?

I have never heard of her but the Internet is full of people selling--fear.

You have choice you can listen to these videos or spend time finding the truth within you.

Listening to Eckhart Tolle, Mooji or other enlightened people will lift you,
There are thousands of years of history behind enlightened teachings and their personal experience---Christ was the Truth.

Chris

lake

25th September 2016, 21:41

Am i giving into others fears and propaganda.

I'm afraid of any archonic energy messing with my mind.

The only thing to be frightened of is fear

There is nothing to be of fear about....you are already dead (this means that YOU cannot die as YOU already are dead but still YOU can read this lol).......there can be no fear,
The beings that can 'visit' you are just a slight difference of frequency from you....this is why you cannot see them but they can see and interact with you. (I have been there as them....now thats a thing)
You only have to conceive of your own nature as higher to eliminate their impact upon you.
:)

RunningDeer

25th September 2016, 21:48

[...] Dynamo the famous magician
Dynamo's trick caught on camera (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk2lz0_dynamo-s-trick-caught-on-camera-at-sport-relief-revealed_news)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk2lz0_dynamo-s-trick-caught-on-camera-at-sport-relief-revealed_news

Grrr, damn ads. Twice the video got kick off. Here it is on YouTube + snap shot.

Amazing Dynamo's trick caught on camera
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Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 22:13

So if have quite strength, peace and feel fearless, nothing demonic can channel me if I 'do' become awakened?

Lake ~ can you please tell me more about your experience as 'them'?

Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 22:18

I loved watching Dynamo though!! especially the walk down the tall building, turning the fountain to ice, bringing the butterflies in the wallpaper to life and the levitating on Christ the Redeemer

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(movie soundtrack 'mighty joe young' on last video)

greybeard

25th September 2016, 22:21

So if have quite strength, peace and feel fearless, nothing demonic can channel me if I 'do' become awakened?

Lake ~ can you please tell me more about your experience as 'them'?

Nothing can channel through you without you wanting that to happen---when you are fully awakened --that thought will not cross your mind.
Just stay away from wolves in sheep's clothing---you get affected by what you continually imbibe.
Choose health giving, uplifting positive topics/input is all I suggest.

Are you looking for "love" in all the wrong places?

Chris

Baby Steps

25th September 2016, 22:36

dear Suanne,

focussing on nothing measurably calms the mind and promotes mental health.

as we progress with this, our ability to maintain focus increases, and this is a very valuable ability.

increased ability to focus helps as needed but including:

- staying in the now, not carrying stories from the past that distract one, helps one to become a more effective human.
- if visioning and journeying is your bag focus is essential
- if focus on a manifestation is needed, cosmic ordering or commanding the universe to manifest, which is a quantum as well as spiritual process ( if indeed such a distinction exists at all) then the calm mind is powerful

Ps all thoughts are demons, they are not good or bad, the question is do you master them or do they master you

God bless

From Barbara Markiniak - ' Bringers of the dawn'

" the ability to use the human will over the human mind is your ultimate resource. This ability to master the body according to your will is exactly what the people in charge of the planet do not want you to figure out. As more of you become sovereign and in charge of your own frequency , those who do not want the new frequency here will bring an opposite frequency to create chaos, confusion and polarity. Always, whenever a society is on the verge of a huge leap or change , there are diametrically opposed activities. "

Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 22:59

So if I say it again ~ I'm never gonna meditate ......will you all together tell me to shut up? :tape: :heh: :grouphug: :heart: :caked:

Baby Steps

25th September 2016, 23:12

So if I say it again ~ I'm never gonna meditate ......will you all together tell me to shut up? :tape: :heh: :grouphug: :heart: :caked:

Guffawing!

So what about prayer? And what's the distinction?

RunningDeer

25th September 2016, 23:16

So if I say it again ~ I'm never gonna meditate ......will you all together tell me to shut up? :tape: :heh: :grouphug: :heart: :caked:

Not I
You do you ♡
That’s the beauty of creation
You = artist+brush+paint+scape
They're all you

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Sueanne47

25th September 2016, 23:44

So what about prayer? And what's the distinction? ???? sorry baby I didnt get that?

I was thinking earlier, wouldnt it be just great if we could all meet up at some point? I know we all live at 4 corners of the earth, ...I'd so look forward to it.

Blessings Runningdeer :star:

Baby Steps

25th September 2016, 23:57

Sorry, please never shut up, keep being the enchanting person that you are.

I meant, if you are avoiding meditation, do you pray or have an opinion on it?

Not coming from a judgemental place, am still working this stuff out for myself !

Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 00:50

@ Babysteps :luv: 'please never shut up' ~ your the 1st to have said that!!

Yes I do pray, when I take the dog in the park or in the garden I pray to give thanks for the lovely plants and the food I have (I never take it for granted) and I pray & light candles in the church when someone needs help & guidance, and I always pray before work starts so I hope i dont get a sh*t day ahead of me :faint:

As we get older we need our rest too..

Michelle Marie

26th September 2016, 02:40

Direct perception of Truth within clears up a lot.

Love in and love out...like breathing!

MM:heart:

peggy englebrake

26th September 2016, 04:28

Sueanne47 There is a practice I like (yes, some might consider it a type of meditation), which is called "mindfulness" . For example, if you are gardening (or scrubbing the floor) you balance and ground your energy to get centered and just be aware of all that is around you (hear the wind and the birds, be aware of the plants and that they are sentinent, etc.). Do not put your attention on past experiences or plan the grocery list, just be aware. When walking mindfully you don't think about your destination or what you will do there, with each step you feel the earth. Sometimes I feel like a monk or nun in a monastery when I am doing this. Well, you get the idea. Also everyone on this path of awakening should have a daily practice where they use some type of protection-there are many different methods to explore. (ask a shaman). A person is just as open to negative energies/entities in our daily lives (or even more if you get wasted on drugs or alcohol for example). Archons are messing with all of us frequently. They have no power to do anything physically to anything in the 3D world; all they can do is plant doubts in your mind or try to get you upset about something so they can steal energy or make you afraid/angry/jealous and hope you will do something stupid. They are like naughty children making scary noises outside your house. Just ignore them and give them no energy. It becomes easy to tell their interference from your own thoughts. But I can't think of any reason why the practice of mindfulness would make you more open to negatives influences. If anything you become more aware if that sort of thing is trying to influence you. So to answer your question, please don't shut up. However, we can't promise to stop nagging either.

boutreality

26th September 2016, 05:13

I've found New Age Energies are characterized, more than anything, as conduits through which attacks can travel either into the adept or through the practitioner to another. They also accomplish a "setting" of emotional/mental states in New Age followers.

Yoga/stretching/breathing techniques are valuable pursuits so long as one is aware that there are prearranged trap doors meant to be "discovered" as if the process used to find them allowed them to "earn" each trap as a "reward".

Yoga/meditating/breathing techniques often, after time, lend one to Extra-Sensory experiences and a sense of a deeper awareness of one's self.
The New Age offers its victims its version of these sorts of answers- not ones that will improve you from your core; not ones that will enable you to have a real affect in the real world, ones that convince you that's what you're doing when all the while you're being used to accomplish the goals of those that control this planet. Your being and intent becomes ensnared to serve their purpose.

"It's all demonic- don't meditate" is a crutch; a preliminary response based on personal beliefs. Growth is incumbent upon people that want to see change in the world, identifying false directions pursued toward that end is necessary, writing off methods to be used for growth because they may lead to traps is not.

I've highlighted ties of New Age to Nazism and NWO interests, and give a context through which the whole New Age process/belief structures is seen as a method to turn unsuspecting adherents into impotent physiological delivery nodes of attacks launched by this system. It's way out there at first glance and I know it's common to dismiss the New Age (if speaking against it) as work of Satan or some other preternatural embodiment of evil.

Advanced scientific applications are at play here; a science that works to the detriment of sentient consciousness is being executed. Consider the info in my threads below if you'd like to read more from this angle and know I'm very much in line with "Be your own guide" (thanks running deer).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92604-NAZIS-NWO-the-NEW-AGE

And, placing the evil works this technologically assisted sorcery covers for into a hierarchy; working to capture the nature of these peoples' reasoning and identifying some of the actual technological constructs at work:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work

"They be on some 'got this, squat this, reroute the power grid.' Cops can't stop this- "over our dead body b*tch." -"Sike" by Astrnautalis

sparrow7

26th September 2016, 05:33

I was looking at youtube at some of the videos on channelling and the 3rd eye, a lot of these now have got so ridiculous, and try to goad us into jumping on board and float through lovely astral clouds of beautiful colours like superman or something.

Well I found this video, and I would like anyone to start listening at 34.55 when Carolyn Hamlett starts talking (before that there are some strange women in a trance ~ a bit weird actually!)

Carolyn Hamlett said that yet again this is another way that satan is controlling us through channelling and affecting our brain chemistry, spiritual cord, & physical neuro transmitters. We get to feel happy and healthy by eating good food and less fluoride and practise yoga. But this is all a new age agenda by the demonic hierarchy to trick people, because it is satan's plan for us to give him the keys and put him in the driver's seat, and this is why it is being promoted a lot now.

She said the egyptians with the all seeing horos eye used to be involved in demonic practises, and this will be the new globalist religion further down the line (although they wont call it religion) when we tire of the present religions. This can be quite dangerous to open up the demonic realm, as it is not easy to close it again, and can give us short & long term effects.

I'm definately not going to do any more meditating.

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The truth is once you open your 3rd eye you are open to outside influence, spirits, evil humans trying to get to you with remote connection.

It's like opening the door to strangers, not saying not to do it, just study how to open the eye properly so you are secured.

I have mine opened, and I have meet horrible beings that will communicate with me by my 3rd eye., the 3rd eye amonng other things is a communicator device.

If you have a 3rd eye, if you were born with it, then there is nothing evil about it, and it is your right to use it, since it is part of you, but the evil gurus and evil spirits since they control the matrix here on earth will not want you do to so, since they would loose control with all the lies they have been spilling with this god **** of theirs embeded in religion, because once you open your 3rd eye you will find out things.

If you do open your eye, then you will be in trouble for sure, they will be all over you implanting thoughts in your mind. If you open your eye and know what you are doing, then that is something else, if you know how to secure your self before doing this, otherwise evil spirits will get control of you.

In deed it is very dangerous to open your 3rd visiion, while you get visions from a cosmic background about how things really are, you also get visions from them, they will harass you.

Once you find out things you will hate god, since you find out who he(they) really is..
This is usually the first thing that happens.

You find out things and since you now know the truth they will want to sielence you, because you will see how ignorant the majority is, living in ignorance in the social structure they were born, a society of sleeping cadavers that are not willing to change, that are not going to change. You will learn to hate people and understand that the majority does not care, and that they are not worth anything.

This is the truth about your 3rd eye. Open it at your own risk.

greybeard

26th September 2016, 06:00

I have never hear one solitary non-duality teacher even mention third eye.

When spirituality is fully understood opening the third eye is just not relevant..
Literally there are only good guy and bad guys in this illusion we live in till Self realization occurs or at least till you are grounded in spiritual teaching/
Literally there is "Only One without a second"---there is no God separate from you--the paradox being that to pray is extremely beneficial.

You live In what is known a Maya--the cosmic dream.
Through meditation and prayer the Truth is realized.
You are set free.
The crap on the Internet leads to bondage--why go there?

Chris

Mooji - "If your choice is for truth then the whole universe supports you..."
Published on Aug 10, 2016

Mooji takes a question from a participant of his satsang in London in partnership with Alternatives.
Watch the full 3-hour 2016 satsang at https://www.conscious2.com/satsang-wi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg8QR6uWY1Y

Arcturian108

26th September 2016, 08:21

I have been doing an Indian mantra meditation twenty minutes, twice-a-day for 40 years and have seen enormous benefits without having to believe in anything special. It has just made this chaotic, stressful world a bit more manageable and allowed me to blossom in ways that I could never have imagined. I thus recommend a sitting, eyes-closed, meditation training as one of the best things one could do in ones' life.

That said, however, the push for New Age memes, was just a C.I.A. (powers-that-be) solution to deal with baby boomer intellectuals to keep them out of 'mischief', and allow the crimes against humanity to continue unabated.

Morbid

26th September 2016, 09:15

check out Mark Passio's work - he is quite good at breaking down new age movement deception.

greybeard

26th September 2016, 10:00

This thread linked below gives one of the best definitions of Truth that I have read and it is written by a member.
Tim speaks of his own, direct, full spiritual awakening.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Chris

Wind

26th September 2016, 10:29

What could possibly be more important than finding peace within?

If something makes you feel fearful, throw it away! It does not serve you.

Sometimes I feel like sitting down and actually meditating, but my true meditation is music.

scanner

26th September 2016, 10:57

I have to disagree with the video . I've been meditating all my life . Most people do and don't know they've done it . We're told it's day dreaming , nothing of the sort . Many people have the ability to have OBE's without any training or knowledge of OBE's . So the only conclusion is , this is our natural state and has been taught out of us and more easily controlled . So they use scare stories , like the video so you won't pursue it .

I don't disagree , that there are toxic forces out there ready to do us harm , if we're not on our guard . But , that applies to everything in life . Using drugs to get too the same state is a , no no , as this could leave you venerable . Do some research on the person promoting this video , it may just give you an idea on their motives .

Love and peace to all :flower:

Baby Steps

26th September 2016, 11:17

Enola

26th September 2016, 11:27

I liked the part about the importance of Christ as the ruler of this world and the universe. One of the highest truths there is which not many seem to attain. But Jesus was only one who achieved union with this being or principle.

http://with-omraam.com/blog/2015/11/06/christ-and-the-solar-religion/

Akasha

26th September 2016, 12:50

.....Jesus was only one who achieved union with this being or principle.

http://with-omraam.com/blog/2015/11/06/christ-and-the-solar-religion/

.....assuming (http://www.richardcarrier.info/) he actually (http://davefitzgerald.blogspot.hu/) existed (http://jesusneverexisted.com/) .....sorry wrong thread (that would be the "Old Age Lie" thread).

Enola

26th September 2016, 13:24

Well, that would be the most widespread program out there...

- Not that he existed, but if he did, he didn't have anything of value to say.

RunningDeer

26th September 2016, 13:50

At this time, [my] spirit is here to experience material world without the limitation that were put upon us eons ago. I’m here to dismantle what makes this body a prison, restore it, and merge it with higher frequency spirit.

I see and feel with the whole body, rather than single focus on third-eye where it’s an entry point for the dark ones to influence. Spirit is housed in the body and beyond to the auric field. My focused practice is here and now on the body-whole. Sometimes I need to sharpen focus. So I kickstart it with attention at the heart region, not the heart chakra. Then it’s back to the body-whole deep within, right down to the cellular level and the in-between.

It’s a spirit-body. As mentioned, it’s designed to be a mode of transportation for my spirit to experience without limitation. I am here to break out of that old mold of thought and understanding that I’m only a meat suit dying to leave. I am here to become adept at spirit-within-a-vessel experiences.

In a sense, this physical form is only a small part of this spirit form. Plenty enough to have a giggle and walk and play with other spirit bodies in physical form.

♡

Wind

26th September 2016, 14:05

Greetings. Music. Would love some examples.
God bless

Usually any good, harmonic music can get me to a meditative state.

Then there are videos like this too.

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Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 14:23

Do some research on the person promoting this video , it may just give you an idea on their motives

Carolyn Hamlett (the speaker in the video) said she came from a background that worshipped satan, in other words illuminati, but the strangest thing she said was...that her bloodline came from those that were not human ??? I wish she would have elaborated on that. Simon Parkes also warns us of WW3 etc. and he also came from illuminati background.

People are being pulled this way ~ and that way, so there is utter confusion about who to trust, but I do think for the people that want to open their crown chakra...there are dangers involved. I wont be doing this, but I dont mind sitting quietly and meditating.

THANK YOU Peggy, that was lovely... :star:

Baby Steps

26th September 2016, 14:34

Greetings. Music. Would love some examples.
God bless

Usually any good, harmonic music can get me to a meditative state.

Then there are videos like this too.

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thanks that is beautiful

Hervé

26th September 2016, 15:31

Do some research on the person promoting this video , it may just give you an idea on their motives

Carolyn Hamlett (the speaker in the video) said she came from a background that worshipped satan, in other words illuminati...
[...]

Carolyn Hamlett's blog: http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.fr/2012/12/the-shootings-globalists-and-gun.html

Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 16:01

boutreality

26th September 2016, 16:20

A Tamarind tincture (I use Apple Cider Vinegar instead of vodka to make it) improves the pineal's function over time. I've heard it implied that psychoactives are somehow required for the improvement, there's no reason to think that.
What this comes down to is discernment; just because it can be sensed through some application of ESP and just because the ESP takes while to reliably develop and control does not negate the value of assuming a cautionary stance.

greybeard

26th September 2016, 17:19

Its human nature to be attracted to something dangerous, different, even bizarre.
However the lower astral takes great delight in human suffering.
Some of that which gives you pleasure leads to pain,
Some music gangster rap for example was deliberately set up to fill prisons in USA
There was information on Avalon some years ago about that.
It is probably possible to have embedded suggestions in videos that might seem fairly harmless.

Best not to go there.

Chris

Ps Never mind other peoples experience of meditation Sueanne--what yours?

Chris

Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 17:37

RunningDeer

26th September 2016, 19:02

Some music gangster rap for example was deliberately set up to fill prisons in USA
There was information on Avalon some years ago about that.
It is probably possible to have embedded suggestions in videos that might seem fairly harmless.
This was an eye opening confirmation of my experience with subliminal messages embedded in some YouTube videos and music.

@ 56 (https://youtu.be/YG2cY7WGvHs?t=56s) - This husband made a subliminal message to program his wife.

“My wife doesn’t like to cook. We eat out a lot and I’m sick of it. Boy, wouldn’t this be great if I could get her to cook dinner and stay at home.” “…I put my final mp3 into her background screensaver so every day she’s hearing that play a few times a day…”

My point is there are YouTube videos that as soon as I watch/listen to them I get a headache or a distinct sensation in the third eye region. They're mostly but not limited to the New Age and the relaxation videos. These are the videos that people add on the forum. Granted, some are intended for relaxation, but I question whether they’ve been tampered with harmful visual or auditory effects by the original author.

Solution: I pay attention to the inner knowing or the voice that says, "NO!," when I go to click on it. As a self check, I'll watch to see if physical effects occur.

Subliminal Message - How to make a Subliminal Message
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greybeard

26th September 2016, 19:09

I really hope that people who read your post Paula take this on board.
As said all that is exciting, attractive is not what it seems---"Wolves in sheep's clothing is an apt expression.

Chris

Akasha

26th September 2016, 20:04

This guy is getting 1000's of email's from people wanting to get healthy and jump on the 3rd eye bandwagon...not knowing the dangers. With a bit of luck they will think "err...no, where's that pork pie in the fridge? or ~ "I think I'll have a bacon sandwich"..

......not very lucky for the pig.....

Ralph might not always be as "Smart" as his name suggests but he's coming from a place of compassion....no doubt about it. That's one of the reasons why he repeatedly advocates for those animals which you just inadvertently (unconsciously?) encouraged the ongoing misery of. So who's right?

Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 20:27

Sueanne47

26th September 2016, 20:34

I thought this video was very good at getting the point across, (sorry I keep posting videos but there is important stuff we can find out in them) :heart:

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Akasha

26th September 2016, 20:42

Ralph might always be as "Smart" as his name suggests but he's coming from a place of compassion....no doubt about it.

Compassionate maybe, but before setting up a youtube channel, he should have thought through about mixing healthy living videos with third eye channelling videos. The discerning ones will think he is only getting us to be healthy to open the 3rd eye, and we could be susceptible to demonic mind control, especially when he advocates the illuminati!

Also when I mentioned about a bacon sandwich, honestly, that was just a joke..nothing more.

Joking about the misery of sentient beings is a pretty good indicator of the level of demonic mind control we are dealing with here. And to be clear, I define demons as bad code in the human psyche. Nothing more. Attaching the biblical meaning to them will only serve to ensure that they are never exorcised. An ingenious self-preservation programme indeed.

Opening the third eye, or in other words, taking conscious steps to raise one's own consciousness to a level of spiritual gnosis rather than superstitious belief is understandably feared by those who've yet to take those steps.

After all it will mean the death of said belief.

TravelerJim

27th September 2016, 00:23

Well, I certainly have enjoyed my time here at PA, certainly the bestest bunch of folks on the Net. But, this thread beats all. Thank you for participating.

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 00:38

Many thanks Jim! :heart: ...you're not leaving us already are you? you have only just got here! lol

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 14:11

This guy is excellent, and giving anyone a warning about opening a 3rd eye too fast, he speaks about what will happen ~ the morning after your 3rd eye opens, you see things that cross over between the physical and the non-physical (shadow people, demon spirits) that will scare the hell out of you, and some people have to live with it for the rest of their life. He said it is "up to you" if you want to do this, but I'd say DONT! it can result in demonic possession.

(I'm saying this for other people's benefit ~ not mine, for anyone new here that would like to do this)

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Akasha

27th September 2016, 14:42

You wouldnt believe what this guy is saying! he has a youtube channel to help people with their well being physically & mentally. He has a video about decalcifying the pineal gland and encouraging us to go further into channelling to other dimensions saying "darkness is wonderful, once we embrace it we become unified, in essence, we become whole...as we embrace the dark, we embrace the light."

THEN ~ he comes out with this rubbish, saying illuminati family have special esoteric knowledge, for crying out loud.. :facepalm:

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Dear Suzanne, I agree that Ralph’s very old video “Illuminati R Us” is a little confused, no doubt an expression of where his mind was at 4 years ago, but what prompted you to share the second video?
Have you actually watched it or did you simply select it based on the “clickbait” title? If you haven’t actually watched it, please do and, if you feel willing, share the reasons he offers as to why it’s something you don’t want to do.

Just to add, although I’ve been subscribed to his Youtube channel for quite a while some of his videos slip through the net. His “10 reasons…” video was one such offering so a big thank you for bringing it to my attention :)

I just noticed that you removed the second video from your post. Is that because you actually agree with what he is saying? (confused)

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 15:03

Hi Akasha,

I felt the 2nd video was relevant to the 1st because I felt like he was trying to make people healthy....for the sole purpose of opening their 3rd eye. This morning I thought "I dont want to encourage anyone to do this" so that's why I deleted it. I used to be subscribed to his channel and enjoyed what he was saying about healthy living in mind & body, but not now.

Akasha

27th September 2016, 15:09

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 15:40

I dont have to have Ralph telling me how to live healthily :)

raff

27th September 2016, 17:07

Well after looking at the video of Lorna Byrne and guardian angels and getting wonderful help from my guardian angel I went to book an event she was going to talk at (alternatives.org.UK on the 6th of October)

I encountered resistance in trying to book this event in which I complained to my angel that whenever one tries to do something interesting there's always a resisting force to that good action. Then I remembered that picture of Hindu design of the angels and demons having a tug of war. It struck me that the counterforce to life and the manifesting of ones desires was because of this "counter force". Hearing the good conscience in myself it struck me that there is also the bad suggestive impulse that I've both heard, seen and received dreams by (exactly like the angel on one shoulder and the demon on the other) so if you have a guardian angel then that angel is guarding your soul from your demon.

As one who's had their third eye opened in my youth by drugs I had a massive break down of seeing bad spirits, demons and lost and suffering souls. That stopped me meditating for a few years cos whenever I closed my eyes the nasties more often than not would appear (yes there was the light/nice ones too)

After many years of this I've come back to meditating on the stillness in order to just "come back to my Self" (although to be sure I've never really left even if I tried)
The nasties can't touch you and when you realise this and what they represent (stagnation, entropy, laziness, hate, resentment, bitterness and just about any negative thoughts about life) then ones path becomes all the more clearer.

Meditation for me is about coming home and it's fascinating and wonderful place that we all have. To still oneself is to tune oneself to ALL THAT IS DIVINE AND TO ALL THAT IS GOOD.
THE STAIRWAY TO YOUR DIVINE SELF.

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 17:26

raff

27th September 2016, 18:01

Dear Sueanne47, I don't need to shield myself or do anything I just ignore them. Like if I'm walking past a cemetery I will just look away or if I go to sleep I will put my eyes focus into myself and fall to sleep. In the end we are the arbiters of what we choose to focus on and can break off any contact or vision that is either forced on us or that is shown to us.

On the plus side one gets to "dream" of places, people and conversations beyond this solar system but if I had a choice one way or the other I would choose to not have this ability. The bad imo far outweighs the good and besides in regard to what were doing here on earth I don't believe it's necessary just now. It did initially made me seek help for this problem which opened a door to an amazing journey of meeting some brilliant people, an excellent spiritual group and activities and experiences that have changed my life for the good.

But meditation imo is not about seeing but about feeling and sensing and being. These are the senses that one should best become intimate with because it will lead to recognise knowing which leads to trust which makes love and wondernent grow.

I've written this line before on PA but it's one of my favourite lines in a book by Tolkien of Lord of the Rings fame in which Gandalf the wizard says
"there are many folk who wish to know before hand what is to be set on the table, but those who labour to prepare the feast will keep their secret, for wonder makes the words of praise grow louder."

I think that line can be effective for other meanings not least in regards to this pickle you've opened.

greybeard

27th September 2016, 18:35

In Truth you are perfect--no improvement necessary or even possible--you are a ray of the Absolute.
There is no need to open third eye or not open third eye---this is all in the play of consciousness.
When some study of the state called enlightenment is made--the concepts put on spirituality drop away.

Another name for enlightenment is Self Realization--which is revealed when through mediation you discover that you are not the"me"--not the person--these are temporary states.

A good clear account of self realization--not second hand--not a video is on the link..

If you are serious about "moving forward" spirituality you might want to look at this

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Chris

raff

27th September 2016, 18:58

Dear Halcyon026, it doesn't matter what vibration your on the negatives can still access you because of what our bodies are connected to (as I understand it)
There is a point when we do disconnect from that personally but as I understand it it relates to karma. One has to literally purify it but purity of body and mind is a step in the right direction (although significant it doesn't shift it that much)
It is done by unselfish, genuine compassionate deeds (as well as to oneself granted) that this is cleansed and by the suffering we experience. This may be unwelcome to most but our souls as far as I know this are willing to undertake this physical life knowing this.
This would bring a lot of furore to most people (not least to myself) but it is a humility that is difficult to reach.
Certainly the way the human identity relates to life is far different to how the soul sees it.

Sovereignty is a nice word to the ego but it can as the "galactic historian" Andrew Bartzis says disconnect one from a lot of negative influences but not all. I wouldn't trust anyone who says that otherwise as this is not my experience and knowing.

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 20:15

What's going on with Halcyon026 ???

I just heard a great discussion from a video Mojo posted, that relates to what I'm saying, this is my reply :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93606-Timothy-Alberino-and-Fritz-Springmeier-discuss&p=1102096&viewfull=1#post1102096

I'll look at that link, thanks Chris.

Sueanne47

27th September 2016, 21:24

TraineeHuman says in these links about protection and the dark side entities of our psyche when channelling (if anyone DOES decide to open 3rd eye)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-The-Higher-Self-and-transcendent-experience-including-OBEs&p=597664&viewfull=1#post597664

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-The-Higher-Self-and-transcendent-experience-including-OBEs&p=590025&viewfull=1#post590025

TraineeHuman

28th September 2016, 07:28

Dear Sue,

Firstly, may I say that we are under the influence of our own negativity and also of dark forces (but balanced by benevolent forces) all the time. It's my experience and that of many others that the best forms of meditation put one into a more protected state than anything else I know of, including prayer. (In the long distant past I did some exorcisms, successfully, though I don't recommend it to anyone to try to do that. Accordingly, I needed to investigate and absolutely find out for sure what the most potent form of protection was.)

Secondly, did you know that something like a thousand people in the UK get killed on the roads every year? Surely, then, it's far too dangerous for you to drive or ride in any car. Ditto for ever using any bus. Similarly, you need to totally avoid aeroplanes and trains. Plus, you need to never cross a road by foot any more. Too dangerous. Nor walk on any footpaths, because quite a few people get run over there too. There's a real conundrum, though, from the fact that being alive is lethal in 100% of cases. Committing suicide doesn't work, because one just has to come back again and face all the things one was trying to run away from. I guess you'll just have to live in constant existential fear on that one, it seems.

greybeard

28th September 2016, 07:51

Mooji ♥ Nothing Here But You ◦ Guided Meditation

I posted this else where but it fits this thread.
There is a lot of non-duality truth in the simplicity of the video.

Whats is there to fear?

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuVCFEqv1AY

Sueanne47

28th September 2016, 10:51

Hi TraineeHuman,

No, dont get me wrong here!! I dont live in fear...or look on the black side all the time. I'm very much at peace ~and I do pray. I'm pointing out the dangers to *other people* about opening the 3rd eye because in today's world there is much trickery going on. People are being told dreadful lies about an ET invasion coming up, and we all have to 'evolve' to meet them halfway & all that crap.

We cant be blind to the trickery going on with the vatican & the illuminati, and its the best thing to get the truth out there for everyone.

Sueanne47

10th October 2016, 18:33

Annie Besant and freemasonry gave birth to the New Age mindset :

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Kindred

10th October 2016, 23:55

Ah, Yes... the IDEA of Evil....

An excerpt from “Seth Speaks”, pg 162, by Jane Roberts (Note: Jane Roberts is often credited with creating the 'new age movement', at least since the 70's... )

Quite simply, a belief in the good without a belief in the evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you. This belief, however, is the best kind of insurance that you can have, both during physical life, and afterward.

It may outrage your intellect, and the evidence of your physical senses may shout that it is untrue, yet a belief in good, without a belief in evil is actually highly realistic, since in physical life it will keep your body healthier, keep you psychologically free of many fears and mental difficulties, and bring you a feeling of ease and spontaneity in which the development of your abilities can be better fulfilled. After death it will release you from the belief in demons and hell, and enforced punishment. You will be better prepared to understand the nature of reality as it is. I understand that the concept does indeed offend your intellect, and that your senses seem to deny it. Yet, you should already realize that your senses tell you many things, which are not true; and I tell you that your physical senses perceive a reality that is a result of your beliefs.

Believing in evils, you will of course perceive them. Your world has not tried the experiment as yet which would release you. Christianity was a distortion of this main truth – that is, organized Christianity as you know it. I am not simply speaking here of the original precepts. They were hardly given a chance, and we will discuss some of this later in the book.

The experiment that would transform your world would operate upon the basic idea that you create your own reality according to the nature of your beliefs, and that all existence was blessed, and that evil did not exist in it. If these ideas were followed individually and collectively, then the evidence of your physical senses would find no contradiction. They would perceive the world and existence as good.

This is the experiment that has not been tried, and these are the truths that you must learn after physical death. Some, after death, understanding these truths, choose to return to physical existence and explain them. Through the centuries this has been the way. In the system of probabilities that originates within physical reality, this is also the case.

There are systems of probability not connected with your own system at all, much more advanced than any you presently imagine, and in these, the truths of which I have been speaking are well known. In them individuals creatively and purposely create realities, knowing how to do so, and giving full rein to the creative abilities of consciousness.

Chapter 17; Probabilities, the Nature of Good and Evil, and Religious Symbolism

“…the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion’s ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

On the one hand, quite simply, and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now, it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil – or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom – but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

We go back to our fundamentals; You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized; others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination. As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

Now, those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears – mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.”

In Unity, Peace and Love

The Freedom Train

11th October 2016, 00:12

I appreciate your mistrust of just about anything you read or hear about - especially the new age movement. The movement is undoubtedly infiltrated and co-opted. But I would like to ask you, when you think about it in your heart, can you really truly continue to believe that being healthy - treating our bodies and minds well - is part of a demonic agenda? If we were all healthy we would be impervious to disease - which causes suffering, and culls the herd, and makes a lot of money for those with vested interests in the top percent of the global monopoly. If we were all happy we would be impervious to apathy, to mind control that keeps us in suffering, which perpetuates violenceand makes us easy to control and enslave.

And I must tell you that I have had verification of the fact that the meditations I practice dissolved etheric implants that were causing me to suffer. I beg you to reconsider your position. Meditation - at least the kind that I practice, and I am sure there are many other forms as well - is actually a safeguard against infiltration, since you are turning your awareness inwards. This inner awareness is like a silver bullet that ferrets out and dissolves foreign energies, implants, karmas and traumas. I know this to be true because I physically feel it happening in my body as I perform the meditations, and then I notice the results - in that, I am calmer, more balanced, can think more clearly, etc. Please do consider what I have to say - meditation is, from my own personal experience, the only thing that has saved me from a number of personal attacks.

The Freedom Train

11th October 2016, 00:27

Dear Halcyon026, it doesn't matter what vibration your on the negatives can still access you because of what our bodies are connected to (as I understand it). There is a point when we do disconnect from that personally but as I understand it it relates to karma. One has to literally purify it but purity of body and mind is a step in the right direction (although significant it doesn't shift it that much) It is done by unselfish, genuine compassionate deeds (as well as to oneself granted) that this is cleansed and by the suffering we experience. This may be unwelcome to most but our souls as far as I know this are willing to undertake this physical life knowing this.

Thank you for this intriguing input. I am most interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion that suffering will cleanse one of karma? Is it not that suffering causes karma, in fact that suffering IS karma? How would karma cleanse karma? Doesn't it just perpetuate itself - the wheel? I still can't seem to buy the story that suffering will save us from suffering. It just makes no sense to me, and sounds like just the kind of story that would be contrived by a group that has a vested interest in maintaining their control over our minds and bodies. I am not sure of anything really other than what I have personally experienced - and even much of that I can only theorize about. Luckily I have had some back up with a clairvoyant friend of mine (I am clairsentient) - but at the end of the day who knows maybe my clair senses are as deceptive as my physical ones can be - meaning they can be manipulated and miscontrued. However, I have the feeling this is not entirely possible. And I would venture a guess that with a high enough vibration - such as when one is fully realized and awakened - energetic infiltration and mind control becomes a non issue.

bettye198

12th October 2016, 00:23

Used to meditate a lot. But have grown into open meditation. Painting, cooking, looking at nature, walking outdoors, engaged in something lovely. I get a lot more intuitive sparks from that. And no need to travel out of my body - gosh, we do that all night long.

Would love to learn Tai Chi.

The Freedom Train

12th October 2016, 04:57

bettye198 - I love your open meditations - they sound so peaceful and connected.

I also have thought about Tai Chi and how cool it would be to learn! And yoga - I have a friend who is going to give me a few private lessons in exchange for some work I did for her, so I am excited about that. Never really learned it before.

The meditation I practice is actually not about leaving the body, but about bringing one's awareness deeply within the body - feeling the body up and down, scanning with awareness to dispell dense energies. For me, it is what I must do to guard against and counteract infiltration, as a targeted indidual. Otherwise I would probably not feel so called to do it every day.

But I must say, I appreciate your post, because I too am an artist and a nature lover, having a strong connection to the faerie realms, and I simply have not been making enough time in my life for the kinds of things, other than cooking, that you described. It reminds me to think again on the balance in my life and how best to maintain it in the hours of the day that I have at my disposal. So thank you! :)

onawah

14th October 2016, 19:30

No doubt some will like the following, and some will not.
It's quite long, so I have only posted an excerpt.
My philosophy has long been to take what works and leave the rest.
This source, Lisa Renee, may be considered channeled info by some, and New Age by some, but it reads more to me like science-based spirituality. She gets bogged down in too much terminology at times, but in this particular message, I think what she says about the Dark agenda tools for mind control, transhumanism, etc. makes sense without getting too wordy.
http://www.isabeaux.net/news/display.php?M=110577&C=59ba5881f8bd0b07d1ce944e3d5d1173&S=554&L=14&N=330

October 14, 2016 ES Ascension News - October 2016

Bio-Neurology
Dear Ascending Family,

When we look at the larger Galactic picture of consciousness enslavement, we see the NAA's many pronged agenda to target the brain, CNS and thought forms of every person on earth. Through the agenda of Transhumanism, we see the promotion of hybridization and synthetic integration with artificial neural networks for control over the CNS and brain. What is starting to surface with more clarity is that our human neurobiology is wired for empathy, which connects us to higher consciousness and has a spiritual function. The NAA and their minions of soulless AI infected synthetic beings do not have the bio-circuitry for empathy. We are in essence, in a struggle between human EMPATHS, and alien hybridized humans and extra-dimensional aliens that are NON-EMPATHS. This month we will look more deeply at Bio-Neurology, and the bio-circuitry of empathy for another layer of reveal. How chemical agents and ELF are used to target the CNS, and are actually destroying the human capacity for empathy. To understand how the stages of Ascension and bio-neurological expansion increase the capacity for empathy, aligning us to be of Service to Others and Planetary Gridworkers.

Neurobiology and Neuroscience are used interchangeably to refer to the branches of biology that focuses on the structure and function of the nervous system and brain. The field of Neurobiology includes the study of biological neural networks, in order to replicate their functions in the production of artificial neural networks. An artificial neural network is an artificial intelligence network that mimics the functions of the Central Nervous System (CNS) and brain of living things, like people and animals. The discoveries in the field of Neurobiology have lead to the massive expansion and demand for mass consumer products, manufactured in both of the flourishing multiple billion-dollar industries of Biotechnology and Pharmaceuticals. Biotechnology is the use of living systems and organisms to develop or make products, especially with the focus upon the genetic manipulation of microorganisms and their chemical reactions. Currently, the means of gaining technological or pharmaceutical control over neural networks, brain mapping, genetic modification and the exploitation of biological systems, is an enormous commodity that is being merchandised on and off planet. The quest to gain total control over the Bio-Neurology of life is a very big business, hiding a very dark secret. During the current bifurcation phase, the extremely heated debate around disclosure of the covert technological methods used for bio-neurological enslavement are being fought over in the public arena, argued over behind closed doors, and are rippling throughout the Solar System.

Without experiencing feelings of empathy for humanity that give rise to holding reverence for the sentient consciousness within all life, we can more easily see how those put into power are capable of committing grave harm to others without remorse. When a huge segment of the population is disconnected from life and devoid of empathy, we can better observe how these destructive thoughtforms are more easily shaped into material possession and ownership. The escalation of corruption, bribery and technological abuse that are being forced upon us by the controlled powers of the corporatocracy are very difficult to observe. We are inundated with deceptive marketing campaigns and the clever use of intimidation to force submission into the larger agendas of bio-neurological control tied into mass consumerism. People are being intimidated to make their own babies and children experimental guinea pigs, for developing the future generation of disconnected bio-tech and drug consumers. We are living in a transitional time, which means we will have to face the hard decisions about what we can do to remove ourselves from feeding into the vast global system of consciousness enslavement and mind control. It is worthwhile to do the research, and look at the skyrocketing statistics for bio-neurological diseases, and consider who and what wants to gain complete control over human and animal Bio-Neurology. What are the many unethical methods being used to gain bio-neurological control over people that is making them sick? If we are willing to open our mind to see the clear picture of corporate interests hiding a much larger global agenda of bio-neurological control, then we can take some steps to empower ourselves. We can take back our consciousness power through informed consent, and stay present and aware of larger agendas in order to protect our nervous system and brain.
etc....

For me, meditation is simply about realizing that my soul is part of Source, and the way I can feel and expand on that conscious awareness best is by being out in Nature and feeling the energy of Life all around, under and above me.
Grounding into the earth by sitting or lying with my body connecting to an oak tree is my favorite way of doing that.
Meditation can be dangerous, which is why students are warned that it is advisable to have a teacher, but I find that Nature is my best teacher these days.

Sueanne47

14th October 2016, 20:33

Thank you for that onawah, I hope anyone thinking of channeling will read that first :thumbsup:

Adrift

22nd October 2016, 08:50

Hello everyone. I haven't visited the forum for a very long time, I hadn't felt any need to after what I experienced during the summer of 2011, which I spoke about a bit in a forum thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28441-Mark-Woodman-Basic-Instructions-Before-Leaving-Earth) at the time.

My motivation for returning then is the same as my reason for visiting on this occasion - I want to make an appeal to the forum body, based on what I've learned and discovered.

To summarize briefly(ish): as I entered into my 30s I felt a strong desire to try to find my place in the universe, to seek into the big questions that all of us ponder at some stage. I had a great conviction that there was much more going on than I perceived, some sort of plan or design that went beyond the superficial routines of everyday life[1]. I invested a lot of time in that search, and by a roundabout journey, found my way to the Project Avalon forum. But it was in the middle of 2011 that my search came to an abrupt halt. I found a video series on Youtube that discussed Christianity, and I knew pretty much instantly that I had found what I'd been looking for.

I understand that, to some, Christianity is a dirty word, and that there are a lot of reasons for that. A large number of people, particularly in the United States (I'm in the UK) are exposed to some form of Christianity in early life. And in a proportion of those cases the experience if entirely off-putting - often because of a very "legalistic" church environment (a church that places a misguided emphasis on arbitrary and inconsistent rules, like observing a strict dress code, or a rigid adherence to a particular kind of worship music, all things that are utterly inconsequential to the focus of gathering together), or maybe because of forced childhood attendance and memories of dreary sermons.

Or perhaps, like me, because while I was notionally aware of Christianity it didn't seem to have achieved anything in the world, and appeared to be a strange culture inhabited almost entirely by people of a certain age! But in some sense I may have been fortunate, the idea of faith or religion had no place in our household as I was growing up. Later, no-one ever petitioned me in the street, I wasn't cajoled into participating by a believing friend (in fact, I didn't have any - or know anyone who was a Christian), or approached by a street preacher. I learnt about it on my own, and I came to believe independently from anyone else.

All of that back-story aside, I noticed this thread when I visited the forum today. And I want to ask those of you who are participating in these spiritual exercises to please investigate the individuals who have popularised them, and their motivation for doing so. The information is available, and I would urge you to really question, honestly and objectively, whether these things might actually be doing you great harm. I'll post a few video links below, I hope that they might act as a starting-off point for your own research.

My prayer - and I understand that this idea may be met with some resistance - is that God would reveal himself to you in the same way that he did to me, and lead you into all truth. It was an life changing experience, and I've been aware of his nearness ever since. If you've ever heard of someone speak about being "born again", then this is what I'm describing, the literal, physical indwelling of God's spirit, joined with our own. This is not a metaphor, or a figure of speech, when you accept Jesus as the only path to God, he will give you his spirit in exactly this way and you will never again feel separated from him. And also why my forum name is now entirely inappropriate![2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMu5F2icsT8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jS8V2SbfD4

This video series probes the origins of the New Age. There's a lot of introductory material in the lead up, so you may want to jump ahead, but I think it's all very valuable:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCED9C361662866BD

[1] In the book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, Solomon writes "Yet God has made everything beautiful for its own time. He has planted eternity in the human heart, but even so, people cannot see the whole scope of God’s work from beginning to end".

[2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFzKg6-aEug

greybeard

22nd October 2016, 09:02

I dont have a challenge with Christ or Buddha or any other original teaching.
To be clear Jesus had it right so did Krishna so did many others.
Jesus said "The Father and I are One" "Of myself I do nothing, it is the father within"
Jesus did not put himself above others, he said we could do as much
That seems to be over looked by Christian religion.

Each to their own Adrift I glad you have found what you were looking for.

Chris

Sueanne47

22nd October 2016, 21:05

Hi Adrift,

You'd like to read Bill's thread about Jesus here :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign

Also this thread : Horus Ra and Archons :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&highlight=archons

You have a lot of reading to do...same as me! :ranger:

The end game is to enslave everyone (especially the young) into this new age scam, some think they want to meet the ET's halfway or evolve (like I did) not realising what I was being drawn into....and I'm glad I didnt get very far. The illuminati draw celebrities into their web by offering them anything they want.

When I need guidance I go and sit in my town church....which most of the time is EMPTY yesterday I went in when there was no one there, then the vicar caught sight of me and said "hello how are you?" he knew me because of my mum's passing last year. I said "fine, are you ok?" he said "yes, fine thanks" ~ end of conversation!!

Most of the vicars in English churches just use god's house for christenings/deaths/marriages, and the sunday service. Now if that Vicar was a true follower of Christ, he would have come over for a chat, find out how I felt and offer his guidance and healing energy. That is what he should be doing to not just me...but most people in the town, to draw them back into the church. I mean, he should know that people have become athiest and have turned away from god like its some kind of 'weirdness from the past they find creepy'.

Also years ago the bible was tampered with by king James, this is why there is a lot of passages in the bible saying we should fear god, which isnt true, because god is nothing but love.

I also learnt from Native American's to give thanks for our food, and the beauty of nature...I never thought to give thanks before.

Doing good deeds brings a great warmth to your heart, but not to people who take advantage of your good nature. Folk also love a sense of humour!.

God Bless you and all that you do from now on Adrift.. :flower:

Sue