The Fat Thread

[AutumnW]

Think it's important to start a thread about fat. Can fat ever be condemned as a moral failing, the deadly sin of gluttony? Or, are there other reasons for fat?

Please discuss.

[TargeT]

I thought flash was gonna handle this baby... not much of a discussion with out her assertions.

[Flash]

I thought flash was gonna handle this baby... not much of a discussion with out her assertions.

It is ok, I will get on it with Autumn with great pleasure

So, the questions maybe as follows:

1. Why some people get fat, while other don't. Target subscribes to the eat more = gain weight or eat less = lose weight. I do not. I will describe in following posts the whys.

2. Why is there an epidemic of obesity in America, now reaching Europe and Korea as well?

3. What are the academic research on the topic.

4. Is there any academic research that are hidden or stopped from being made on the topic.

5. What are the culprit of obesity, the provokers?

6. What are the impact of being ostracised and bullied because of one's weight.

7. What can be done about this.

All prejudices and views are welcome, and please Autumn, it is a complicated topic, so please help me.

[AutumnW]

Yeay!! Thanks Flash. Fat...it's something I know A LOT about! LOL

[Flash]

Yeay!! Thanks Flash. Fat...it's something I know A LOT about! LOL

me too, both experiential and academic

[Baby Steps]

too much insulin

[Flash]

too much insulin

Good point, but no...... not that simple. The insulin problem is a result of overweight, unless you have some research to base this on or good explanations. And in type 2 diabetis, linked to obesity, it is not too much insulin BUT the inability of the body to integrate the sugar in its tissues (muscles and all) that is the problem, therefore the body not stopping to secrete insulin while trying to resolve this problem. Until the pancreas is exhausted.

By the way, my endocrinologist told me something very interesting: most diabetics type 2 are always hungry because the nutrients are not going into the muscle mass either with the sugar, as it should. So diabetics type 2 get hungry, their body and brain needing their nutrients, they eat, which make them fatter, which creates more type 2 diabetis. A vicious circle very difficult to break (stop) she said.

Please Target, explain to us you assertions about weight so that we could start with these to go further, since they are the most believed assertions in the general population. Thanks

[AutumnW]

I have low blood sugar, as in, after I passed out at work several decades ago I had the four hour glucose tolerance test at the local lab and the techs who administered the tests there said the graph of my blood sugar levels spiking up and then plummeting like a stone, was one of the most extreme they had seen. So I was rushed to an endocrinologist to see if I had an insulin producing tumor. Thank God, no.

Endocrinologist told me to radically curtail sugar AND CAFFEINE in my diet and up protein-- much like the diabetic diet. In other words, eat a balanced diet.

If I don't do this I gain weight. And not only do I get much hungrier than usual, but if blood sugar gets low enough, I can pass out before I even feel hungry.

It's a manageable problem and I was properly diagnosed because I was on the extreme end. This was decades ago. But...I do find I also eat a heck of a lot amd gain weight if I am sleep deprived. I also want to drink coffee to wake up. So double weight gain whammy.

I am only citing myself as an example because I feel that there are a lot of people out ther who have blood sugar problems that are not properly diagnosed -- or they fall closer to the middle of the spectrum, so it is brushed off as trivial, when it might not be...for them.

The sleep thing is far more insidious, in that people need energy to work. If they can't sleep properly, they will make up for that with food and usually densely caloric fast food.

[Atlas]

Ellen Gustafson says hunger and obesity are two sides of the same coin:
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[AutumnW]

As far as academic research goes, there is some research in the last couple of years pointing to antibiotics being one of the culprits. The Chinese and Japanese, for example consume MORE calories than Americans, on average. Now, granted, they aren't consuming as many calories in fat and sugar and they are exercising more, but the factor X might be antibiotics.

In North American agribusiness cattle are fed massive amounts of antibiotics. This isn't necessarily to ward off infections. They discovered years ago that a byproduct of the antibiotics was a much larger, fatter cow. Scientists are now studying the very real possibility tha the over prescribing of anti-biotics, in humans may have the same effect.

[Sueanne47]

At work I sit with this guy at breaktime who's thin as a rake, he stuffs himself with sausage/burger rolls, long bacon rolls, 9 x bar pack twix & crisps.........while I sit opposite him eating an apple. (I'm borderline diabetic).

[DeDukshyn]

 
(AutumnW is on to something with her last post above ...:))

A lot of it has to do with gut microflora. There have actually been research done where researchers took the microflora of a chronically obese person (someone who has struggled with weight their whole life) and exchanged it with the microflora of a chronically thin person (regardless of calories eaten), and the obese person began losing weight and the skinny person began to gain weight.

This is a huge factor. Of course overall muscle mass, exercise, and intake do have a say, but the variance in how well all those achieve expected result will be dependent on microflora health / spectrum.

Also I should note that there is a huge difference also between "unhealthy" and "fat" - one can be very healthy, in good shape physically, and still be carrying extra pounds; and likewise, a skinny person may just as easily be out of shape or unhealthy. This distinction is important to maintain.

I believe there are several good threads here on the importance of taking good care of your gut microflora. Eating a health balanced, toward vegetarianism / veganism if possible is a great way start creating the right environment in your gut for the microbes that are desired. For example, dark berries like blueberries contain XOS (xylo-oligosaccharides) which feed only bifidobacterium and lactobacillus variants - which are good bacteria, while not providing any food for the "bad" bacteria. Nature has designed everything perfect - the human body is designed to work like clockwork with nature - we are just re-discovering this with the latest medical research.

[raff]

At work I sit with this guy at breaktime who's thin as a rake, he stuffs himself with sausage/burger rolls, long bacon rolls, 9 x bar pack twix & crisps.........while I sit opposite him eating an apple. (I'm borderline diabetic).

Darling Sueanne47, there's just no justice in this world lol. You must of been a naughty little girl in your past life ;)

[Sueanne47]

You must of been a naughty little girl in your past life ;)

yep, I'm sick of the sight of lettuce Raff. ..and I was/am a little devil :heh:

[Flash]

I eat more too if I am sleep deprived, which I have been for the 8 first years of daughter's life (she would not sleep) and for her 16 to 18 years old. Also, emotional upheaval that plays hookies with hormones as well and cortisol in particular is a dead end for losing weight. Example: an extremely difficult divorce that drain everything (finance, energies, joy, ) a good 2 years prior and 3 years during the divorce. Add to this menopause which makes you stop sleeping because of hormonal changes, and there you are , much overweight.

Most people who are diabetic and/or overweight started with low blood sugar peaks, often not diagnosed, that went on for year. I knew when I was 25 that I had blood sugars going too low before lunch and dinner, without proper diagnosis but through observations from my sister who was a dietician. Later in life, i had pregnancy diabetis, which lead to full diabetis in 50% of woman having pregnancy diabetis.

However, all this can be explain scientifically because there is more to it. Some people go through all of this and lose weight instead of gaining, so why some are gaining, even when they practically do not eat?




I have low blood sugar, as in, after I passed out at work several decades ago I had the four hour glucose tolerance test at the local lab and the techs who administered the tests there said the graph of my blood sugar levels spiking up and then plummeting like a stone, was one of the most extreme they had seen. So I was rushed to an endocrinologist to see if I had an insulin producing tumor. Thank God, no.

Endocrinologist told me to radically curtail sugar AND CAFFEINE in my diet and up protein-- much like the diabetic diet. In other words, eat a balanced diet.

If I don't do this I gain weight. And not only do I get much hungrier than usual, but if blood sugar gets low enough, I can pass out before I even feel hungry.

It's a manageable problem and I was properly diagnosed because I was on the extreme end. This was decades ago. But...I do find I also eat a heck of a lot amd gain weight if I am sleep deprived. I also want to drink coffee to wake up. So double weight gain whammy.

I am only citing myself as an example because I feel that there are a lot of people out ther who have blood sugar problems that are not properly diagnosed -- or they fall closer to the middle of the spectrum, so it is brushed off as trivial, when it might not be...for them.

The sleep thing is far more insidious, in that people need energy to work. If they can't sleep properly, they will make up for that with food and usually densely caloric fast food.

[Flash]

Bingo

I read the same studies, some of which were made in Holland. Giving healthy gut micro flora to obese people had them lose weight AND MAINTAIN THE WEIGHT LOSS while not changing their eating habits. It was also effective in recuperating 30% of autistic children towards normalcy. Therefore, some commonalities with the causes of some sort of autism and obesity.

It is up to a point where I wonder if vaccines do not have something to do with killing the gut flora as well.

THere is more and more thinking in a conjonction of events, such as vaccines combine with pesticides and/or GMO killing the gut flora, as well as antibiotics. Once overwhelmed with all these attack on its system, the gut flora cannot ever recuperate.

Later on, the deficient gut flora is passed on to the newborn through mom's milk and delivery. THerefore, the child starts with a deficient gut flora as well, is then shot with a humongous amount of vaccines, further deteriotating its gut flora, then has antiobiotics agains ear infections, and you get a second generation with obese tendencies from the start, or if he child cannot eliminate the toxins, you get autism.

Then, the third generations has yet a much more deficient gut flora to start with than the previous two, is shot with a more humongous amount of vaccine, has more and more GMO integrating pesticides in their genes killing the gut flora, more pesticides ingestion and antibiotics from animal feed and from sickness and you get a huge increase in obesity and autism too. My theory here.

But there is more...


 
(AutumnW is on to something with her last post above ...:))

A lot of it has to do with gut microflora. There have actually been research done where researchers took the microflora of a chronically obese person (someone who has struggled with weight their whole life) and exchanged it with the microflora of a chronically thin person (regardless of calories eaten), and the obese person began losing weight and the skinny person began to gain weight.

This is a huge factor. Of course overall muscle mass, exercise, and intake do have a say, but the variance in how well all those achieve expected result will be dependent on microflora health / spectrum.

Also I should not that there is a huge difference also between "healthy" and "fat" - one can be very health, in good shape physically, and still be carrying extra pounds; and likewise, a skinny person may just as easily be out of shape or unhealthy. This distinction is important to maintain.

I believe there are several good threads here on the importance of taking good care of your gut microflora. Eating a health balanced, toward vegetarianism / veganism if possible is a great way start creating the right environment in your gut for the microbes that are desired. For example, dark berries like blueberries contain XOS (xylo-oligosaccharides) which feed only bifidobacterium and lactobacillus variants - which are good bacteria, while not providing any food for the "bad" bacteria. Nature has designed everything perfect - the human body is designed to work like clockwork with nature - we are just re-discovering this with the latest medical research.

[Bob]

Cattle fed HORMONES, not just antibiotics - "growth promoters mean putting on weight"

Almost all beef cattle entering feedlots in the United States are given hormone implants to promote faster growth. The first product used for this purpose ­ DES (diethylstilbestrol) ­ was approved for use in beef cattle in 1954. An estimated two-thirds of the nation's beef cattle were treated with DES in 1956 (Marcus, 1994, cited in Swan et al., 2007).

Today, there are six anabolic steroids given, in various combinations, to nearly all animals entering conventional beef feedlots in the U.S. and Canada:

* Three natural steroids (estradiol, testosterone, and progesterone), and
* Three synthetic hormones (the estrogen compound zeranol, the androgen trenbolone acetate, and progestin melengestrol acetate).

Anabolic steroids are typically used in combinations. Measurable levels of all the above growth-promoting hormones are found at slaughter in the muscle, fat, liver, kidneys and other organ meats. The Food and Drug Administration has set "acceptable daily intakes" (ADIs) for these animal drugs. (hmmm)

Questions and controversy over the impacts of these added hormones on human development and health have lingered for four decades.

In 1988 the European Union banned the use of all hormone growth promoters. The ADIs on the books for years are based on traditional toxicity testing methods and do not reflect the capacity of these drugs, which are potent endocrine disruptors, to alter fetal and childhood development. According to Swan et al. (2007) ­

".the possible effects on human populations exposed to residues of anabolic sex hormones through meat consumption have never, to our knowledge, been studied. Theoretically, the fetus and the prepubertal child are particularly sensitive to exposure to sex steroids."

This gap in research is remarkable, given that every beef-eating American for over 50 years has been exposed to these hormones on a regular basis.

To begin to explore possible impacts, Swan et al. (2007) carried out a study assessing the consequences of beef consumption by pregnant women on their adult male offspring. The families included in the study were recruited from the multicenter "Study for Future Families" (SFF).

The study team assessed sperm quantity and quality among 773 men. Data on beef consumption during pregnancy was available from the mothers of 387 men. These mothers consumed, on average, 4.3 beef meals per week, and were divided into a high beef consumption group (more than seven meals per week) and a low-consumption group (less than 7 per week).

The scientists compared sperm concentrations and quality among the men born to women in the high and low beef consumption groups. They found that:

* Sperm concentration (volume) was 24.3 percent higher in the sons of mothers in the "low" beef consumption group.
* Almost 18 percent of the sons born to women in the high beef consumption group had sperm concentrations below the World Health Organization threshold for subfertility ­ about three-times more than in the sons of women in the low consumption group.

The authors concluded that ­

"These findings suggest that maternal beef consumption is associated with lower sperm concentration and possible subfertility, associations that may be related to the presence of anabolic steroids and other xenobiotics in beef."

This study lends urgency to the long-recognized need for the FDA to reconsider the acceptable daily intakes of hormones used to promote growth in beef feedlots.

This reassessment will, in all likelihood, be resisted by the animal drug and beef industries, and once begun, will take many years to be carried out.

In the interim, families wanting to avoid the risk of developmental problems in their male children can do so by choosing organic beef.

Source: "Semen quality of fertile US males in relation to their mothers' beef consumption during pregnancy"

Authors: S.H. Swan, F. Liu, J.W. Overstreet, C. Brazil, and N.E. Skakkebaek

Journal: Human Reproduction, Advance Access published online March 28, 2007.

Page Source: - https://www.organicconsumers.org/scientific/growth-hormones-fed-beef-cattle-damage-human-health

summary: hormones at so called "acceptable levels" by the Regulatory Authorities are responsible for the "fattening up of the cattle" (as well as the consumers of the cattle products)..

Fattening up the "cattle" - http://www.wikihow.com/Give-Cattle-Hormones


Modern practices of raising cattle often involve using hormones to assist with beef and milk production in encouraging greater feed efficiency (less feed needed for more growth or milk), greater milk production (dairy), and higher growth rates (beef).

There are three methods in how hormones are given to cattle.

Beef cattle are given growth implants, feedlot heifers and cows are fed, and dairy cows are injected. Breeding heifers and cows are also injected with hormones as a means to synchronize their estrous cycles for artificial insemination, however this is covered in a separate article due to extensive information and various methods associated with synching estrus.

Beef cattle receive three general types of steroid growth implants:
1) Natural hormones composed of progesterone, estrogen and testosterone that are produced by the animal and are used as either single estrogen implants (Compudose®), or as estrogen combination (Synovex®, and Component®);
2) Zeranol, a biologically active estrogenic product which stimulates the animal to produce more of its own natural hormones (Ralgro®); and
3) Synthetic hormones like synthetic testosterone, and trenbolone acetate (TBA) combined with estrogen (Revalor® and Synovex Plus®).

All of these implants are not approved for use in dairy cows or veal calves, nor hogs or poultry.

Feedlot cows and heifers are also fed a female sex hormone prostagladin known as melengestrol acetate (MGA) in a feedlot to prevent them from going into heat during their finishing/fattening feeding period.

Dairy cows in the United States have been approved receive hormone injections (being recombinant bovine somatotropin [rbST] Posilac®, once a Monsanto drug, but now a Elanco product) for improved milk production.

This drug is not approved for use in dairy cows in other countries like Canada, those of the European Union, Australia and New Zealand due to animal health issues like mastitis and lameness. The hormone is only approved for use on lactating dairy cows, not veal calves nor dry (non-milking) cows.

[Flash]

Hey Canadians, sometimes we still do documentaries that are truthful.

Here the description of what the sugar industry does to keep making money worldwide, what they hide as did the tobacco industry, the studies they make sure will never be done, the government lobbying, etc.

I saw that documentary more than once. If everything was studied and legal process was taken to sued these companies, we may end up with a much weaker industry paying billions to all those who suffered diabetis, and all related illnesses stemming from sugar.

Once we looked at those videos, there is not more doubts that IT IS A CONSPIRACY where the poors are paid nothing to make sugar and the richer are bying their death, all approved by our governments and hidden by the sugar interests.

One of the video the most worth looking I have seen in many years, since it concerns every single person on this planet, one way or another.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHh5odELpi4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAqt1UiQP4

[Chris Gilbert]

A moral failing? No, so long as you don't expect others to give you preferential treatment.

There's a whole host of causes too beyond just exercise alone.

[Flash]

Here the impact of sugar on insuline resistance, obesity, heart problems, cancer, dementia, azheilmer, and more. Extremely interesting. It also mention the research and the lack of warning between sugar and disease.

Also the reject of the research from the food industry and their power. Mainly from minute 32, the confidential and secret dealings of the sugar industry, by Christine Cousin. The same scandal as the tobacco industry: undermine science, attack and intimidate scientists and other coming up with results telling the truth, subvert sensible regulations

Minute 38: the blaming of the victims


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDaYa0AB8TQ

[ghostrider]

Feel lucky if your a little heavy, the docs cant figure out what is making me lose weight, i went from 155 to 128 , and they dont know why im shrinking ... i tell them six shots every six weeks while for three years whle i was in the military ... they experimented on 120 of us, now that our group is older , many strange side effects plague my brothers and me ... we no longer serve the masters, funny we were super humans working for them, we get out and all sorts of problems arise...

[kirolak]

I've never been overweight, although I do tend to have more of a belly than I like. . . it definitely has to do with sugar. One week off the liquorice & the belly is gone, always. . . but organic vegan liquorice is my addiction. My best friend is, to put it bluntly, fat; however, since she has been on a low carb diet & given up ALL forms of sugar, plus long walks three times a week, the weight is simply falling off her. She has more energy & is thriving.

And I have personal experience with cider vinegar containing the "mother". . . you do lose belly fat.

[Baby Steps]

too much insulin

Good point, but no...... not that simple. The insulin problem is a result of overweight, unless you have some research to base this on or good explanations. And in type 2 diabetis, linked to obesity, it is not too much insulin BUT the inability of the body to integrate the sugar in its tissues (muscles and all) that is the problem, therefore the body not stopping to secrete insulin while trying to resolve this problem. Until the pancreas is exhausted.

By the way, my endocrinologist told me something very interesting: most diabetics type 2 are always hungry because the nutrients are not going into the muscle mass either with the sugar, as it should. So diabetics type 2 get hungry, their body and brain needing their nutrients, they eat, which make them fatter, which creates more type 2 diabetis. A vicious circle very difficult to break (stop) she said.

Please Target, explain to us you assertions about weight so that we could start with these to go further, since they are the most believed assertions in the general population. Thanks

OK this is my theory...

1. The person eats 'fast carbs' like HFCS, Sugars, white Bread etc to excess that cause a rapid blood sugar spike-very unnatural over processed foods we would very rarely encounter in nature.
2. Pancreas floods the body with insulin
3. Rapid uptake of glucose, cells start storing fat.
4. Pancreas becomes habituated to the over production, the resulting sugar lows produce cravings soon after the carb based meal.

Other effects that exacerbate the issue:

- Mineral and vitamin deficiencies trigger more cravings. Often there are absorbtion problems, for example you need some vitamin C to absorb Iron. The cravings are not for the foods that will help.
-Poor diet leads to bad bacteria & fungus that interfere with absorbtion.
- there are many enzymes in raw veg that assist absorbtion, we do not eat enough raw veg.
- This may sound a bit woo woo, but I swear Candida messes with your head, it triggers cravings for foods that feed IT, rather than what one really needs (bread, sugary fruit etc)
- The root of carbohydrate addiction is these nasty lows that you get, that trigger eating more carbs.It's a habit.
- Hunger feelings can present that are in reality dehydration
- Diet foods are often high carb and make things worse.

Newer research is suggesting that skipping meals, fasting, etc are good for you. Research suggests that the ability to burn ones fat reserves decreases with age. People need to get into a new habit-accustom to periods of ketosis. Learn not to feel bad doing this. I notice that when I do it I get grumpy and negative. We also all suffer from deposits of toxins in our fat, that affect us when the fat is mobilised. There are minerals that assist, I think Carmody mentioned copper.

still maybe the best advice is - ask a thin person. I am not very thin.

[kanishk]

Is doing HCG diet really has no side effects?

Or else it has some side effects but are so minor and can be managed? and therefore one can consider giving it a try...

I read doctor Simeons book on HCG diet, called 'Pounds and Inches', published somewhere around 1950. And from that time people and celebrities are using this method to get 8 pack abs et cetera.

And dissolving Visceral Fat is very difficult as compared to dissolving Subcutaneous Fat, and this Visceral Fat has many toxic substances stored in it that body didn't excrete because of its insufficiency.

That's why HCG diet people recommend Kidney Cleanse and Liver cleanse before doing this diet.

So is someone here, have researched on this HCG diet, and have some thoughts?

[delfine]

The functioning of the thyroid has also a lot to say whether you are over- og underweight. An overactive thyroid makes you skinny, while an underactive thyroid gives you a slow metabolism ,and thus makes you fat.

[Justplain]

I had a serious stroke 2 years ago (still cant walk or write normally) , i was overweight and had hi blood pressure, as well as relatively hi collesterol. After the stroke, my wife then put me on a zen diet that dictated the order in which you eat food, such as liquids first, then fruit and then the main meal. Also the foods you can combine are restricted, like potatoes dont mix with proteins. Vegetables can go with anything else in the main meal, so we always have salads, except maybe with soup. I became a vegetarian in the process (not vegan, tho). Also, this regimen was complimented by a one day a week fast, with periodic longer fasts.

As a result of the diet + fasting, i permanently lost 15% of my body weight, my blood pressure returned to that of a young person (usually less than 120's/70's, i got off the drugs (tho i take lots of supplements) and my cholesterol returned to acceptable levels. We save money on food and no drugs.

So having extra body fat was nearly deadly for me, and changing my diet and losing weight had a game changing positive affect on my life.

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF7pmUmyzTk I have discovered this man and following his diet , after a slow down due to AF I took a year to put on 3 stone then I found my Liver function was compromised-Andreaz Moritz X 2 no real results yet so will keep going- now having lots of green and beetroot smoothies.I have stopped taking the Beta blockers I felt they were going to kill me, don't eat fruit or processed carbs and the weight/Fat is leaving slowly but surely, and my heart rate is becoming normal- I did my first days full runaround 3 days ago just like the old days- muscles ache but I can see the light, wan't to walk the Camino next year so must get fit, I have decided to take my life back.

[TargeT]

So is someone here, have researched on this HCG diet, and have some thoughts?

I've done HCG 4 times (IM injection, not sub-Q) for stretches of 30 days each time. I went from a very very active life style to a sedative one via work assignments and have struggled with weight ever since (I'm around 210 @ 5'11" right now, really "should" lose another 20-30lbs). I now manage my weight through light exercise, farm work & periodic fasting (I eat once a day).

HCG is a GREAT way to kick start a lifestyle change, terrible way to "loose weight" and then not change your habits (the fat comes right back)

for men (higher testosterone) it can be very rapid, I was able to loose 30lbs in 30 days, for women it's a bit less fast, my GF at the time lost 12-17lbs on her 30 day runs.


As no one gains weight when they don't eat, one constant we can count on is that not eating = weight loss; thus weight can always be managed by caloric intake.


A L W A Y S


Now the real question is: Do you have the will power.


This is not an even playing field, some will have to struggle for what others obtain easily (see the above example of HCG usage) ... however it's always worth it in the end.



As a result of the diet + fasting, i permanently lost 15% of my body weight, my blood pressure returned to that of a young person (usually less than 120's/70's, i got off the drugs (tho i take lots of supplements) and my cholesterol returned to acceptable levels. We save money on food and no drugs.

So having extra body fat was nearly deadly for me, and changing my diet and losing weight had a game changing positive affect on my life.

I think fasting is so important... this "constant eating" we do now is ridiculous.. never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

[Flash]

I an happy you do manage your weight.

However, there are people who have losr and gaun back many times and are eating onle 500 cal per day and cannot lose. At 800 cal a day you end up lacking many nutrients and damage your health yet, many women ard on a lifeling 800 calories per day, many are chubby and fat and still won't lose weight at 800 csl per day

Your assertion of less calories equal weight loss are false. Any nutritionist would tell you that for some, even barely eating does not work. Add to it menopause or any endocrinal unbalance such as thyroid and the situation is worst for Many

Di you have any single idea how difficult it is to maintain a 500 to 800 caloric intake per day lifelong? Any idea of the extraordinary will power these people have and yet without success often?

Oh! And fasting does worsen this situation fir those caught with the problems I just sited.

The problem Target is that tou think one size or one method fits all when in fact it rarely does.

Have you at least read my co members posts explaining the health priblems rha can be provoking obesity?

Have at least listened to rhe videos one of which explains the strategies of the sugar industry tomake sure we keep eating sugar and gettin sick.

You comnents seem oblivious to these facts

Also any woman who webt on yoyo diets 10 tines in her life to lise sonething like 500 poubda altigether ha outstanding willpower You question on willpower shows how far you are from reality and hiw innerly judgmental you must be, equatibg obesity with lack of willpower. Sincerely, i have no other wirds than telling this attitude if yours seems obtuse to me after what we presented in this thread up to now

If tou absolutely want to remain ignorant of the facts, just let us know but in this case stop judging those whose body do no respond to your parameters of health



So is someone here, have researched on this HCG diet, and have some thoughts?

I've done HCG 4 times (IM injection, not sub-Q) for stretches of 30 days each time. I went from a very very active life style to a sedative one via work assignments and have struggled with weight ever since (I'm around 210 @ 5'11" right now, really "should" lose another 20-30lbs). I now manage my weight through light exercise, farm work & periodic fasting (I eat once a day).

HCG is a GREAT way to kick start a lifestyle change, terrible way to "loose weight" and then not change your habits (the fat comes right back)

for men (higher testosterone) it can be very rapid, I was able to loose 30lbs in 30 days, for women it's a bit less fast, my GF at the time lost 12-17lbs on her 30 day runs.


As no one gains weight when they don't eat, one constant we can count on is that not eating = weight loss; thus weight can always be managed by caloric intake.


A L W A Y S


Now the real question is: Do you have the will power.


This is not an even playing field, some will have to struggle for what others obtain easily (see the above example of HCG usage) ... however it's always worth it in the end.



As a result of the diet + fasting, i permanently lost 15% of my body weight, my blood pressure returned to that of a young person (usually less than 120's/70's, i got off the drugs (tho i take lots of supplements) and my cholesterol returned to acceptable levels. We save money on food and no drugs.

So having extra body fat was nearly deadly for me, and changing my diet and losing weight had a game changing positive affect on my life.

I think fasting is so important... this "constant eating" we do now is ridiculous.. never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

[Citizen No2]

Please tell me if I'm wrong,

but I always thought that if you burn more calories than you consume, then the net result is weight loss,............ And like TargeT said:
never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

I understand that it may be a simplistic point of view, and that for some people it is a complicated issue, but fundamentally, is what myself and TargeT think not correct?



Regards.

[Flash]

For some people you are wrong. This caloric intake is basically a myth because more you diet, easier it is for your body to regain the weight and a bit more tha time around and you diet again, your body gets use to low caloric intake and loses less weight than befire and regain a bit more than you had before dieting. Then you diet again, your body gets used to still less caloric intake and you no more lose weight.

The vicious circle has started, you gain weight at 900 calories while depleting your body of essential nutrients. (A minimum of 1200 cal is necessary to have enough nutrients for a 5foot4 women and 2000 for an average man)



Please tell me if Iim wrong,

but I always thought that if you burn more calories than you consume, then the net result is wait loss,............ And like TargeT said:
never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

I understand that it may be a simplistic point of view, and that for some people it is a complicated issue, but fundamentally, is what myself and TargeT think not correct?



Regards.

[Citizen No2]

But surely exercise, as well as diet, play's an important part in weight control?


Regards.

[greybeard]

When I stopped smoking my weight went up to 14st--not that I was eating more but when I smoked I went for a smoking walk twenty times a day--I waked miles.

There was very slight blood pressure problem the Dr prescribed all sorts of tablets I said no I will fix myself Lol
By coincidence I noticed an advert--there was a long video about why people loose weight and put it back on.
To make a long story short I joined the Trim down club for a modest £28 life membership.

The only down side is that associated companies e mail me with promotions for sliming aids--I just ignore that.
I have six meals a day now --thats themain and three snacks--the snacks almost as big as the main meals.

Ive lost over a stone in three month Im within 4lb of the correct weight for my size-- I was going tot he gym months before I started, so not that.
The main culprit of fat on the body is wheat---I cut out bread completely as advised.

I dont normally promote companies and people have to make up their own minds.

The review is worth looking at, thats what decided me.

Here is a link

http://www.trimdownclub.com/


http://www.skinnybetty.com/trim-down-club-reviews/

[TargeT]

I an happy you do manage your weight.

However, there are people who have losr and gaun back many times and are eating onle 500 cal per day and cannot lose. At 800 cal a day you end up lacking many nutrients and damage your health yet, many women ard on a lifeling 800 calories per day, many are chubby and fat and still won't lose weight at 800 csl per day

Your assertion of less calories equal weight loss are false. Any nutritionist would tell you that for some, even barely eating does not work. Add to it menopause or any endocrinal unbalance such as thyroid and the situation is worst for Many

what does this mean to you?


HCG is a GREAT way to kick start a lifestyle change, terrible way to "loose weight" and then not change your habits (the fat comes right back)

for men (higher testosterone) it can be very rapid, I was able to loose 30lbs in 30 days, for women it's a bit less fast, my GF at the time lost 12-17lbs on her 30 day runs.

Sure seems like you didn't even read my post eh? I'll just leave that as is, as my original post answers your reply to it on its own.



Di you have any single idea how difficult it is to maintain a 500 to 800 caloric intake per day lifelong? Any idea of the extraordinary will power these people have and yet without success often?

Well, since I've been doing it for almost 3 years now... Yeah, I do ;)

You only thing its hard because you've never done it... if you can get past the first week or two, it becomes very easy.. so easy that I sometimes have to remind myself to eat.

Food just isnt an obsession anymore, it's fuel. If you are having medical issues, you should know it. use vitamens, don't be stupid about it.. I'm assuming a certain level of cognitive capability here (I don't feel like I need to spell out every detail, if I do let me know).




The problem Target is that tou think one size or one method fits all when in fact it rarely does.

So what does this statement mean to you then?


This is not an even playing field, some will have to struggle for what others obtain easily (see the above example of HCG usage) ... however it's always worth it in the end.

Sorta seems like you just saw a post, then replied, next time read the post ;)




Have you at least read my co members posts explaining the health priblems rha can be provoking obesity?

Have at least listened to rhe videos one of which explains the strategies of the sugar industry tomake sure we keep eating sugar and gettin sick.

You comnents seem oblivious to these facts

yes, because they don't figure into it.. caloric intake... ALWAYS is the key, there may be some special considerations involved (we ARE all different after all) but this is the answer...

Oh, and don't sit so much, stand more often ;)


Also any woman who webt on yoyo diets 10 tines in her life to lise sonething like 500 poubda altigether ha outstanding willpower You question on willpower shows how far you are from reality and hiw innerly judgmental you must be, equatibg obesity with lack of willpower. Sincerely, i have no other wirds than telling this attitude if yours seems obtuse to me after what we presented in this thread up to now

Your typo's show how emotionally charged you are currently. women "yoyo diets because they are "diets" you need to change your life style.. I also yoyo'd weight using "diets" none of it worked long term until i changed my lifestyle.

I stand by my assertion and so do all nutritionists.


If tou absolutely want to remain ignorant of the facts, just let us know but in this case stop judging those whose body do no respond to your parameters of health

YOU read judgement..I made no judgements.


Please tell me if Iim wrong,

but I always thought that if you burn more calories than you consume, then the net result is wait loss,............ And like TargeT said:
never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

I understand that it may be a simplistic point of view, and that for some people it is a complicated issue, but fundamentally, is what myself and TargeT think not correct?



Regards.

it is simplistic, but the core of it is absolutely true.. there is no way to refute that.




For some people you are wrong. This caloric intake is basically a myth because more you diet, easier it is for your body to regain the weight and a bit more tha time around and you diet again, your body gets use to low caloric intake and loses less weight than befire and regain a bit more than you had before dieting. Then you diet again, your body gets used to still less caloric intake and you no more lose weight.

The vicious circle has started, you gain weight at 900 calories while depleting your body of essential nutrients. (A minimum of 1200 cal is necessary to have enough nutrients for a 5foot4 women and 2000 for an average man)

I'm 5'11" @ 210lbs (I think that's close to average).. I eat 500-1000 calories a day (sometimes I drink twice that much.... ahh beer, my evil temptation) no supplements, been doing it for 3 years (almost 4 i think). so I disagree with your blanket statement... find out what works for YOU.. ignore the rest :P





But surely exercise, as well as diet, play's an important part in weight control?


Regards.

Exercise is more important than diet... we fall back on diet because we don't exercise enough. But yes, you have it absolutely right.

I work in the military, we are weighed and taped every month for body fat percentage, I've helped many people get to the right weight level and maintain it (to keep their jobs), MOST do it through exercise, some through diet due to injuries; but I never had one get kicked out on me..because they WANTED it (will power).


Cut out all sugars, cut out all carbs... that's one way to help lose weight (if your insulin systems work correctly) the "Atkins" diet works for a lot of people, but not everyone. Gotta get out there and find the solution that works for you, but caloric intake will always be a consideration.

[Flash]

Yes they do, exercise and lower caloric intake help, but one shoe does not fit all, that is my point. Also, lower caloric intake is less and less possible due to all kinds of ailments people have, this due to all kind of body agressions to one's health, as described in previous posts.

Greybeard mentions that he took 14 stones (?? pounds) when he stopped smoking and relates his gain to having stopped walking while smoking.

The fact is that cigarette smoking speeds up the basal metabolism (the energy expenditure you do at rest) quite a lot. Every good smokers gains weight when they stop because the basal metabolism slows down wihtout the smoke, therefore there is less energy expenditure and as many calories absorption and weight gain.

The basal metabolism of yoyo dieters becomes extremely low, and they spend almost no energy to survive, at rest. Therefore, to lose weight, they should not consume almost anything - and they get sick for lack of nutrients, plus the really huge efforts that are constant, just to maintain the chubby weight and not gain more.


Basal metabolism is also quite slow with people with hypo thyroidism, for menopausal women, diabetics and for a whole lot of different ailments. Therefore, these people cannot lose weight easily.

I stopped smoking 30 years ago. I was a heavy smoker. I knew that my basal metabolism would slow down and that I would gain weight. Therefore, I started walking and running everytime the urge came to smoke. Lots of people find it very difficult to stop smoking. Well, it was. But believe me, this is absolutely nothing compared with losing fifty pounds again and again (because of the vicious cycles). This asks for sooooo much will power that it is just incredibly difficult.

I have been studying dieting and food nutrients for the last 30 years, but the last 20 was much more intense because I did put my daughter on a diet and an uptake in nutrients as well as cleansing to bring her to pretty much normalcy in behavior and capacities (although she still has remnants of gross and fine motor skills impairments, of partial aphasia, but none of autism).

For this, I had to study the gut microbiota, the impact of vaccines on the brain and the gut and the vaccines content, the impact of antibiotics on the gut flora, what the animals we eat are fed with and what are the process that makes wheat so toxic (for example, I think that gluten allergies may be due more to heavy pesticides allergies than gluten - wheat is put on a very high level of pesticide 3-4 days before harvest because the pesticides dry the wheat and allow for minimal loss due to humidity - those pesticides kill the gut flora). Plus studying the supplement and having blood analysis for my daughter on a regular basis.

Plus, I have worked with dietetists, nutritionists and profesionnal chef for 5 years, 3 while doing my bachelor degrree (license) and 2 full time. I knew so much in nutrition that the dieticians thought that I was a dietecian myself. I am not, I studied psychology and worked in corporate consulting/coaching and training for many years. But I did study nutrition by myself. I also always had a light weight problem which got quite aggravated when:

1. I was under so intense and heavy stress during so many years (15 years) that the cortisol secreted due to stress ended up ruining my glands, and I started gaining weight.
2. I almost died of dysenteria which affected my guts flora in my late twenties, yet, I was able to control my weight. But not later.
3. I was almost killed through poisoning, after which i became diabetic and this had an impact on my weight as well.

I have an iron will, I can plan strategies dozens of years in advance and follow through, I can work day and night literally with little sleep if required by life, I was a marathon runner, I am able to stop about any drugs as long as I put my will to it, yet, dieting over and over again has been the most difficult to do, and not because of lack of willpower. Because it gave very little or no results even if I was always hungry.




But surely exercise, as well as diet, play's an important part in weight control?


Regards.

[Flash]

Yes, i had missed one of your post.

However, read my last one, i am not sitting on my ass. This is what YOU think.

And no, nutritionists will tell you that caloric intake counts and endocrinologist will tell you it is almost impossible to lose weight, whatever you do, if you are advance diabetic, have some uncontrolled thyroid problems, etc.

And yes, i know about vitamins etc.

I would be prudent if I were you not to deplete my body because of low caloric intake, I would take supplements (which you have to change every 4 months so that the body does not get dependent). You may pay later when older, even if it is going well right now. However, it is proven that slightly lower caloric intake than habitual requirements will make you live substantially longer.




I an happy you do manage your weight.

However, there are people who have losr and gaun back many times and are eating onle 500 cal per day and cannot lose. At 800 cal a day you end up lacking many nutrients and damage your health yet, many women ard on a lifeling 800 calories per day, many are chubby and fat and still won't lose weight at 800 csl per day

Your assertion of less calories equal weight loss are false. Any nutritionist would tell you that for some, even barely eating does not work. Add to it menopause or any endocrinal unbalance such as thyroid and the situation is worst for Many

what does this mean to you?


HCG is a GREAT way to kick start a lifestyle change, terrible way to "loose weight" and then not change your habits (the fat comes right back)

for men (higher testosterone) it can be very rapid, I was able to loose 30lbs in 30 days, for women it's a bit less fast, my GF at the time lost 12-17lbs on her 30 day runs.

Sure seems like you didn't even read my post eh? I'll just leave that as is, as my original post answers your reply to it on its own.



Di you have any single idea how difficult it is to maintain a 500 to 800 caloric intake per day lifelong? Any idea of the extraordinary will power these people have and yet without success often?

Well, since I've been doing it for almost 3 years now... Yeah, I do ;)

You only thing its hard because you've never done it... if you can get past the first week or two, it becomes very easy.. so easy that I sometimes have to remind myself to eat.

Food just isnt an obsession anymore, it's fuel. If you are having medical issues, you should know it. use vitamens, don't be stupid about it.. I'm assuming a certain level of cognitive capability here (I don't feel like I need to spell out every detail, if I do let me know).




The problem Target is that tou think one size or one method fits all when in fact it rarely does.

So what does this statement mean to you then?


This is not an even playing field, some will have to struggle for what others obtain easily (see the above example of HCG usage) ... however it's always worth it in the end.

Sorta seems like you just saw a post, then replied, next time read the post ;)




Have you at least read my co members posts explaining the health priblems rha can be provoking obesity?

Have at least listened to rhe videos one of which explains the strategies of the sugar industry tomake sure we keep eating sugar and gettin sick.

You comnents seem oblivious to these facts

yes, because they don't figure into it.. caloric intake... ALWAYS is the key, there may be some special considerations involved (we ARE all different after all) but this is the answer...

Oh, and don't sit so much, stand more often ;)


Also any woman who webt on yoyo diets 10 tines in her life to lise sonething like 500 poubda altigether ha outstanding willpower You question on willpower shows how far you are from reality and hiw innerly judgmental you must be, equatibg obesity with lack of willpower. Sincerely, i have no other wirds than telling this attitude if yours seems obtuse to me after what we presented in this thread up to now

Your typo's show how emotionally charged you are currently. women "yoyo diets because they are "diets" you need to change your life style.. I also yoyo'd weight using "diets" none of it worked long term until i changed my lifestyle.

I stand by my assertion and so do all nutritionists.


If tou absolutely want to remain ignorant of the facts, just let us know but in this case stop judging those whose body do no respond to your parameters of health

YOU read judgement..I made no judgements.


Please tell me if Iim wrong,

but I always thought that if you burn more calories than you consume, then the net result is wait loss,............ And like TargeT said:
never in history were "3 meals a day" a thing.... EVER!

I understand that it may be a simplistic point of view, and that for some people it is a complicated issue, but fundamentally, is what myself and TargeT think not correct?



Regards.

it is simplistic, but the core of it is absolutely true.. there is no way to refute that.




For some people you are wrong. This caloric intake is basically a myth because more you diet, easier it is for your body to regain the weight and a bit more tha time around and you diet again, your body gets use to low caloric intake and loses less weight than befire and regain a bit more than you had before dieting. Then you diet again, your body gets used to still less caloric intake and you no more lose weight.

The vicious circle has started, you gain weight at 900 calories while depleting your body of essential nutrients. (A minimum of 1200 cal is necessary to have enough nutrients for a 5foot4 women and 2000 for an average man)

I'm 5'11" @ 210lbs (I think that's close to average).. I eat 500-1000 calories a day (sometimes I drink twice that much.... ahh beer, my evil temptation) no supplements, been doing it for 3 years (almost 4 i think). so I disagree with your blanket statement... find out what works for YOU.. ignore the rest :P





But surely exercise, as well as diet, play's an important part in weight control?


Regards.

Exercise is more important than diet... we fall back on diet because we don't exercise enough. But yes, you have it absolutely right.

I work in the military, we are weighed and taped every month for body fat percentage, I've helped many people get to the right weight level and maintain it (to keep their jobs), MOST do it through exercise, some through diet due to injuries; but I never had one get kicked out on me..because they WANTED it (will power).


Cut out all sugars, cut out all carbs... that's one way to help lose weight (if your insulin systems work correctly) the "Atkins" diet works for a lot of people, but not everyone. Gotta get out there and find the solution that works for you, but caloric intake will always be a consideration.

[Bill Ryan]

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A quick input from me: :)



Calorie counting on its own means very little when it comes to weight control.

Weight gain (unless it's triggered by endocrine/hormone imbalance) is often caused by spiking blood sugar levels (in turn, often caused by too many 'fast' carbs) -- which are siphoned off by the liver, that then dumps the excess sugar as added body fat as fast as it can.



So, high 'fast' carb intake can often result in weight gain.



High fat intake does not necessarily make one fat (at all).



Exercise always helps, of course (it helps anything!) -- but not because you're burning calories on the treadmill, or while out jogging. It helps because the whole metabolism is trigger-boosted to a slightly faster-running resting state, 24/7.

[TargeT]

I have an iron will, I can plan strategies dozens of years in advance and follow through, I can work day and night literally with little sleep if required by life, I was a marathon runner, I am able to stop about any drugs as long as I put my will to it, yet, dieting over and over again has been the most difficult to do, and not because of lack of willpower. Because it gave very little or no results even if I was always hungry.


Awesome, then fast for 20 days... tell me your results, nothing but water mind you (supplements and medications are ok, if thats needed!) or for 40 days if you can make it, longest I've gone is 10; but I did that out of curiosity, stubbornness and an extreme distaste for M.R.E.'s




Yes, i had missed one of your post.

However, read my last one, i am not sitting on my ass. This is what YOU think.

Wow, you are so easily triggered.. when did I EVER SAY you were sitting on your ass?

seriously, the whole world does not revolve around you & my posts especially do not...



And no, nutritionists will tell you that caloric intake counts and endocrinologist will tell you it is almost impossible to lose weight, whatever you do, if you are advance diabetic, have some uncontrolled thyroid problems, etc.

Doesn't really matter, we run on (for the sake of ease) "Calories" if you fast and put your body into a state of Ketosis you will lose weight; your body has NO CHOICE but to turn to itself and it's own mechanisms for energy... you said "almost impossible" So what? are you afraid of a challenge?!



However, it is proven that slightly lower caloric intake than habitual requirements will make you live substantially longer.

30% less calories basically = 30% longer life span in many many mammalian species. Yet another reason for my periodic fasting (plus, it's WAY cheaper! haha)
[/QUOTE]


Sugars and carbs(though I"ve read some interesting things about all carb diets too...) are the enemy... STOP the insulin cycle how ever you can!

[Bill Ryan]

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Mod note @ TargeT:

Not meant unkindly -->

Buddy, listen: are you trying to help other members here, or prove you're right?

Please think about that question... it's mighty important. I do think you fairly often (but maybe not always! :) ) know what you're talking about. But if you alienate (or upset) others in the process.... what's the point of saying anything at all??

:focus:

[greybeard]

Im only interested in what works and I posted what works for me.
In the review link is the latest scientific evidence of what causes weight gain and fats are n longer the enemy--ie cheese --yogurt--olive oil coconut oil--some butter milk.

I have as said 6 meals a day Im not the slightest bit hungry--its years since I ate so much and the fat has come off my body --people atthe gym are noticing--Ive been going to the gym for a year and the weight tdid not come off then--I did not look any slimmer--I do now.
Ive had to put two new holes my belt--to make it smaller in circumference.

Chris

[Dianamar]

I have a basic approach to weight maintenance.

Filtered Water
Fresh Food , non processed and non gmo if possible
Exercise
Eat Regularly and in small portions ( grazing )
Laugh
Take Time off
Let go of all your grudges ( this is very important )
Sleep with no wifi or phones in the room
Stop worrying about things you have no control over
Live doing something you love over being a corporate monster
Pray to something ( god , kurt cobain , a pineapple tree )
Get in touch with nature and appreciate it
Do not abstain from anything , do not over do anything ... Balance is fine

:bearhug:

[Dianamar]

Feel lucky if your a little heavy, the docs cant figure out what is making me lose weight, i went from 155 to 128 , and they dont know why im shrinking ... i tell them six shots every six weeks while for three years whle i was in the military ... they experimented on 120 of us, now that our group is older , many strange side effects plague my brothers and me ... we no longer serve the masters, funny we were super humans working for them, we get out and all sorts of problems arise...

What about a blood transfusion ? i know its extreme but i have heard it can make a big difference and then after DO NOT let them re " Immunise " you

[Napping]

There's no easy answer in this area. I deal with it every day with my paitients. A couple of points:
* there's certainly a small proportion of people that have metabolic issues pertaining to poorly controlled diabetes, underactive thyroid etc. note, this is a relatively small proportion and weight loss for these individuals is very challenging and often requires gastric sleeve surgery to make any kind of inpact on weight loss.
* for the majority, its a combination of people becoming increasingly sedentary. The average person I see would be lucky if they walked 3000 steps per day....this has horrific consequences for all elements of health, weight loss only one of them.
* people eat more feel good convenience food in the form of processed carbohydrate than ever and many still fall for the 99% fat free farce.
*many people think they are doing the right thing by eating lots of fruit, nuts etc with little awareness of the consequence from a weight game perspective.
* most people simply eat too much ie portion sizes are often ignored when eating "good" food

I watched an old family video of a school swimming carnival in the 80's and every single kid looked bordering on malnourished with ribs showing etc. This is actually the way kids are supposed to look, but we've filled them up with so much garbage, and tv/iPad/iPhone watching that fat has become the norm.

We're on the verge of a healthcare crisis of astronomical proportions due to unprecedented sedentary and obesity levels with the baby boomers leading the stampede into our health services. Public health officials worldwide are very very nervous about what awaits.

Cheers,

Matt

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF7pmUmyzTk I have discovered this man and following his diet , after a slow down due to AF I took a year to put on 3 stone then I found my Liver function was compromised-Andreaz Moritz X 2 no real results yet so will keep going- now having lots of green and beetroot smoothies.I have stopped taking the Beta blockers I felt they were going to kill me, don't eat fruit or processed carbs and the weight/Fat is leaving slowly but surely, and my heart rate is becoming normal- I did my first days full runaround 3 days ago just like the old days- muscles ache but I can see the light, wan't to walk the Camino next year so must get fit, I have decided to take my life back.

Interesting aside the standard treatment for Atrial Fibrillation AF is the blood thinner usually Warfarin folks on this drug also told to avoid greens as these contribute to your clotting factor- It is my belief that the AF and many other human disorders are caused by compromised liver function the liver needs greens to repair- the medical profession wants you to avoid greens and take a beta blocker this treatment totally compromised my ability to do anything as my heart beat was reduced to an irregular flutter- I refused the treatment of Ablation as I felt the permanent frying of part of the heart nerve was far to risky- reduced to a sedentary life style, I woke up one day feeling better- realized I had forgotten to take the Beta Blockers- felt so good I decided to carry on without them, I am convinced if I sort my liver out and eat low carb- high fat- low protein diet- my health will be back to what it was- three weeks now and I have lost 3KGs ...

[Bubu]

Im only interested in what works and I posted what works for me.
In the review link is the latest scientific evidence of what causes weight gain and fats are n longer the enemy--ie cheese --yogurt--olive oil coconut oil--some butter milk.

I have as said 6 meals a day Im not the slightest bit hungry--its years since I ate so much and the fat has come off my body --people atthe gym are noticing--Ive been going to the gym for a year and the weight tdid not come off then--I did not look any slimmer--I do now.
Ive had to put two new holes my belt--to make it smaller in circumference.

Chris

here is what works for me to you. No bread works for me (but not entirely as Dianamar said "Do not abstain from anything , do not over do anything ... Balance is fine") and not only no bread but no to all process foods (not entirely:). As I stayed home yesterday here is what I had. 4 marang fruit one of the sweetest fruits). 5 pineapples(1 kg ea. approx). I kg of bananas. 2 cups of rice and some fish. I was tempted with a couple of bread:). a big mug of Natural coffee not process with lots of natural sugar. Im 66 kg. some quigong and Tibet five. No pills for 8 years approx. To give you an idea of my health. 1 flu in 4 years. whenever I stroll on the beach I got people looking my direction mostly older men and women. I have a balding head and they cant probably believe that an older man can have such a form. I dont go to the gym. My work requires lots of body activity I play basketball twice or thrice a week. so yes to exercise and lots of sun I sometimes works on rooftop all day in a tropical country last time I work on top we had 38C.
something to think about. All human taste buds in the planet will agree that sweets is very good for the body. So it would help to put a distinction between process sugars and fruit sugars. If body cannot tolerate natural it is most probably that something is wrong with the body and not the sugar.
Anyway this is not what I come to see in Avalon just have the urges to help those who have weight problems . so back to Paula's latest thread.

[Flash]

succint, simple and true, thanks Bill.

Target: I made typo errors not because of being emotional but because English is my second or third language. I often do not even realise there are mistakes in my texts, typo or others. Duh!! I always make mistake, typo or plain errors in English.


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A quick input from me: :)



Calorie counting on its own means very little when it comes to weight control.

Weight gain (unless it's triggered by endocrine/hormone imbalance) is often caused by spiking blood sugar levels (in turn, often caused by too many 'fast' carbs) -- which are siphoned off by the liver, that then dumps the excess sugar as added body fat as fast as it can.



So, high 'fast' carb intake can often result in weight gain.



High fat intake does not necessarily make one fat (at all).



Exercise always helps, of course (it helps anything!) -- but not because you're burning calories on the treadmill, or while out jogging. It helps because the whole metabolism is trigger-boosted to a slightly faster-running resting state, 24/7.

[Daozen]

- You can overcome tiredness with Coq10, B Vits, and Methlysulfumethane. I don't get on with caffeine either, AutumnW. But Oolong tea is OK for me.

- Even with a sedentary lifestyle you can get up and do 1-5 squats, or 1-5 pushups every 30 minutes. That can add up to 100 a day. Small sets is a technique called 'greasing the groove' from Pavel Tsatsouline. A lot of programmers are very muscular, a sedentary lifestyle is no excuse- look at the Zuck. Love him or hate him, he's big.

- I lived with someone who was overweight. he used one of those weight loss teas from Herbalife, and the weight fell off him. He became permanently skinny. I think Herbalife are probably massively overcharging for their products. But those teas do work if you get the right one. Guarana was the main ingredient, IIRC. That can be dangerous, as it is full of caffeine, but the point is, those teas are not all a con. I would go with a gentler combination of Chinese herbs. Which one, I have no idea.

- White carbs are the enemy. I eat red rice and buckwheat noodles as my staple healthy carb.

- Since I started taking Iodine (Detoxadine or Lugols are OK), I found it hard to get fat. In fact, I have to eat a LOT to keep weight on.

- Dry fasting is a very quick way to lose weight. Just eat one huge meal a day... Or even have an eating window between 12 noon and 6pm. That gives the body 18 hours a day to recover.

- Juice Feasting works too. Tons of vids on youtube. But I would focus more on vegetable juices and herbal teas like ginger. Psychologically juice feasting is good cos you can spend the whole day making teas, and thinking about what you want to drink next. The deprivation mentality goes out the window.

- Ricky Gervais (NSFW):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4YZiKbklAE

The second vid is the last 2 minutes of the first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ac8iBeLh8

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ricky-gervais-dishes-diet-secrets-1700129

[Bubu]

Please dont forget the water time and again I have proven that water can make all the difference.

[kanishk]

When I stopped smoking my weight went up to 14st--not that I was eating more but when I smoked I went for a smoking walk twenty times a day--I waked miles

Maybe it can be your walking, but when my father had hyperthyroidism. And when he used to decreases his smoking his thyroid count use to go up more. And therefore the weight loss. So at that time I was learning biology in school and found by looking at biochemical cycles that smoking might have direct impact on thyroid hormone. So then I researched more about it on internet and found how smoking habits effects the thyroid hormone and TSH in pituitary gland. So changes in smoking habits effect the TSH and if your are already suffering from hypo or hyperthyroidism; it is most likely that your body responds slowly when synchronicity between pituitary and thyroid gland is disturbed. So such people should slowly decrease the smoking habit it they want to quit or even increase the smoking habit. Quitting smoking can either make you loose weight or gain weight; it happens either ways.

I don't remember the biochemical cycles that are involved and the things that I have researched on internet at that time using those technical words.

[sunwings]

This funny synopsis will save you an hour of a BBC documentary involving twins (also doctors) where one only ate sugary food for a month and the other only fat.

The conclusion was neither diet was solely responsible for putting on weight. The problem is a 50/50 mix of sugar and fat. Like all processed food. Simple really. Eat well!

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[Justplain]

This is a great thread! Thanks for all the geat input! Just what Avalon is for.

[Citizen No2]

Is obesity predominately a 'Developed World' problem?

Is it more prevalent here, in the Western World?


Regards.

[Bill Ryan]

Is obesity predominately a 'Developed World' problem?

Is it more prevalent here, in the Western World?



It surely is. I was in Tokyo a few years ago, where I saw half (50%!) of the supermarket shelves were stocked with vegetables and fish. I was only there a few days, but never saw an obese person.

Similarly with Thailand, where I've spent quite a bit of time on vacation in years past. And also Africa and India, though there are real poverty problems there, of course.

I'd very highly recommend this book: The Sugar Blues (https://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-William-Dufty/dp/0446343129). It details exactly how the health of the 'western' nations has been sabotaged by large corporations with an investment in pushing sugar -- in pretty much everything. (Naturally occurring fat consumption isn't really a problem. Ask any healthy Eskimo. :) )

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rRgc3Rtpw-Y/T384DDozoAI/AAAAAAAAAxs/xofAHkM2Pro/s1600/sugar-blues.gif

[Citizen No2]

It surely is.

A-Haaaaaaa.......... Bingo!

Chem-heavy farming, processed foods, ready-meals, etc, etc........... I think that once our bodies have been 'hit' with the myriad chemical compositions in additives, colourings, flavourings, etc, etc, that it causes change on a genetic level.

And then there is responsibility and expectation. I suppose I am lucky in the fact that my weight has never been an issue. I am 6'2" and around 210lbs and lead a fairly active life-style. I have friends who have struggled with their weight, but have found on several occasions that expectation can be an issue. In some cases, the weight gain has happened over years and the expectation is that it will come off in a few weeks or months........ When it doesn't I've seen them spiral back into comfort eating. I suppose in some cases it is a psychological issue too.



Regards.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Dieting and all talk about healthy eating often drives me insane. This is probably because I tend to obsess over things, which results in me wanting to find the 'perfect' diet for my health. What we eat is something we all ought to consider though, not just people who are overweight. With that said, I get why people become disheartened. There is SO much information out there, it is an absolute jungle, and when people try a few things to no avail, I don't blame them for saying 'eff this whole dieting thing, it doesn't work, I'm just going to eat whatever the heck I feel like!'. I went on a month long juice fast a few months back so that I could try and heal a condition I have called Crohn's disease. After completing the fast I become absolutely OBSESSED with eating clean and healthy foods. It got to the point where I was thinking almost constantly about food and whether I ate something 'bad'. After doing this for a good month or two, I reached the end of my rope, and went in the complete opposite direction and started eating junk. I have since cooled down a bit on the junk but probably eat more processed and sugary foods than I should be. The Crohn's has unfortunately flared up and I'm not sure how much of a role my current diet has played in that.

So, what am I trying to say with this post. Well, first of all, there is no perfect diet, what works for one may not work for another. With that said though, I do think there are some general guidelines to follow, as people have noted in this thread, that will be beneficial. Secondly, if you have the desire to be healthier and is something you believe to be important, I think you will be lead in the right direction and find what works for you.

[amor]

I have been told that I am prediabetic, which is a tendency which may have been inherited from my paternal grandmother who was fat and had a very poor diet, heavy on starches. Meat ceased to be a part of my diet many years ago after hearing about mad cow disease; GMO and antibiotics and hormones in the meat add up to a big cancer cause as well as diabetes cause. After menopause, women tend to put on weight because of change of hormone balance. If GMO's are in animal and human grains and other fruits and vegetables, then they have us over the Genocide Barrel. Your information that sperm count dropped in the presence of all the above substances in meats, etc., give further evidence of deliberate poisoning of the human race to reduce or eliminate the human population.

I have erased so many things from my diet (canola oil in favor of tiny amounts of extra virgin olive oil; meats in favor of small amounts of chicken and fish; fresh fruit and raw vegetables instead of cooked vegetables; only one teaspoon of brown sugar per day; no milk products which are said to consist mostly of inflamation from the poor cow and produce phlegm and coughing.) Whole orange juice and green vegetable and berry drinks along with water, lemonade, some coffee and tea are all that is left to me. The greens and berry drinks seem very sweet but ingredients listed do not mention sweateners. Hopefully, I will see positive results from this, including gradual weight loss. One thing I must do is to eat only organic eggs since chickens are heavily medicated and presumably eat GMO grain. I must enquire. Also being considered is natural hormone replacement. Any thoughts on this regimen would be gratefully appreciated.

[amor]

Dear Vasili: You mention Chrones Disease. Ground Linseed boiled or added to rice, potatoes, eggs, pancakes and anything else you can add it to has the effect of turning into a musilage which quickly penetrates all the tissues of the body, brain, heart, organ and skin tissues and makes the task of elimination effortless. Use daily. It is filled with essential fatty acids required by the body and is wonderful for the intestines.

[sheme]

I really do implore people who wish to loose weight to look at the Dr Berg videos he makes a lot of sense doesn't talk down to those in need of help explains the theory and gives diet solutions , today's good news my handles are vanishing. (:

[AutumnW]

- You can overcome tiredness with Coq10, B Vits, and Methlysulfumethane. I don't get on with caffeine either, AutumnW. But Oolong tea is OK for me.

- Even with a sedentary lifestyle you can get up and do 1-5 squats, or 1-5 pushups every 30 minutes. That can add up to 100 a day. Small sets is a technique called 'greasing the groove' from Pavel Tsatsouline. A lot of programmers are very muscular, a sedentary lifestyle is no excuse- look at the Zuck. Love him or hate him, he's big.

- I lived with someone who was overweight. he used one of those weight loss teas from Herbalife, and the weight fell off him. He became permanently skinny. I think Herbalife are probably massively overcharging for their products. But those teas do work if you get the right one. Guarana was the main ingredient, IIRC. That can be dangerous, as it is full of caffeine, but the point is, those teas are not all a con. I would go with a gentler combination of Chinese herbs. Which one, I have no idea.

- White carbs are the enemy. I eat red rice and buckwheat noodles as my staple healthy carb.

- Since I started taking Iodine (Detoxadine or Lugols are OK), I found it hard to get fat. In fact, I have to eat a LOT to keep weight on.

- Dry fasting is a very quick way to lose weight. Just eat one huge meal a day... Or even have an eating window between 12 noon and 6pm. That gives the body 18 hours a day to recover.

- Juice Feasting works too. Tons of vids on youtube. But I would focus more on vegetable juices and herbal teas like ginger. Psychologically juice feasting is good cos you can spend the whole day making teas, and thinking about what you want to drink next. The deprivation mentality goes out the window.

- Ricky Gervais (NSFW):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4YZiKbklAE

The second vid is the last 2 minutes of the first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ac8iBeLh8

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ricky-gervais-dishes-diet-secrets-1700129

Thanks Daozen,

I have a disease process that is causing a slow paralysis in my legs and leaving me completely wiped out -- (related to post polio syndrome, speaking of gut micro-biota imbalances). So exercising beyond what is required to prevent atrophy, for me, isn't a good idea.

[AutumnW]

Dieting and all talk about healthy eating often drives me insane. This is probably because I tend to obsess over things, which results in me wanting to find the 'perfect' diet for my health. What we eat is something we all ought to consider though, not just people who are overweight. With that said, I get why people become disheartened. There is SO much information out there, it is an absolute jungle, and when people try a few things to no avail, I don't blame them for saying 'eff this whole dieting thing, it doesn't work, I'm just going to eat whatever the heck I feel like!'. I went on a month long juice fast a few months back so that I could try and heal a condition I have called Crohn's disease. After completing the fast I become absolutely OBSESSED with eating clean and healthy foods. It got to the point where I was thinking almost constantly about food and whether I ate something 'bad'. After doing this for a good month or two, I reached the end of my rope, and went in the complete opposite direction and started eating junk. I have since cooled down a bit on the junk but probably eat more processed and sugary foods than I should be. The Crohn's has unfortunately flared up and I'm not sure how much of a role my current diet has played in that.

So, what am I trying to say with this post. Well, first of all, there is no perfect diet, what works for one may not work for another. With that said though, I do think there are some general guidelines to follow, as people have noted in this thread, that will be beneficial. Secondly, if you have the desire to be healthier and is something you believe to be important, I think you will be lead in the right direction and find what works for you.

Vassili,

There was a leading google news story about Crohn's and fungus just yesterday. Look it up!! Hard for me to link from my touch screen.

I know how burnt out you get pursuing different leads that go nowhere. Been there, done that. But this article appears to be about a rigorously researched scientific academic study, so I think it is worth taking into consideration.

[AutumnW]

Is obesity predominately a 'Developed World' problem?

Is it more prevalent here, in the Western World?



It surely is. I was in Tokyo a few years ago, where I saw half (50%!) of the supermarket shelves were stocked with vegetables and fish. I was only there a few days, but never saw an obese person.

Similarly with Thailand, where I've spent quite a bit of time on vacation in years past. And also Africa and India, though there are real poverty problems there, of course.

I'd very highly recommend this book: The Sugar Blues (https://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-William-Dufty/dp/0446343129). It details exactly how the health of the 'western' nations has been sabotaged by large corporations with an investment in pushing sugar -- in pretty much everything. (Naturally occurring fat consumption isn't really a problem. Ask any healthy Eskimo. :) )

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rRgc3Rtpw-Y/T384DDozoAI/AAAAAAAAAxs/xofAHkM2Pro/s1600/sugar-blues.gif

Sugar is a huge problem! For sure. Many people think that the U.S has the highest rates of diabetes in the world, but it is actually India, strangely enough. They have a traditional sweet tooth that was checked by poverty, in the past. But now they have a growing middle class with easy access to cheap sugar.

I don't think that China or Japan have ever been heavily into desserts. I wonder why. hmmm..

[TargeT]

lets be honest with our selves... it's usually FAR worse than sugar... it's HFCS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup)
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/files/2013/03/HFCS-640x1256.png

[RunningDeer]

Vassili,
There was a leading google news story about Crohn's and fungus just yesterday. Look it up!! Hard for me to link from my touch screen.


Dieting and all talk about healthy eating often drives me insane. This is probably because I tend to obsess over things, which results in me wanting to find the 'perfect' diet for my health. What we eat is something we all ought to consider though, not just people who are overweight. With that said, I get why people become disheartened. There is SO much information out there, it is an absolute jungle, and when people try a few things to no avail, I don't blame them for saying 'eff this whole dieting thing, it doesn't work, I'm just going to eat whatever the heck I feel like!'..

Crohn's disease + fungus

ScienceDaily.com - September 20, 2016 (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160920151435.htm)

HealthLine.com - September 26, 2016 (http://www.healthline.com/health-news/fungi-role-in-crohns-disease#1)

HuffingtonPost.com - September 26, 2016 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/crohns-disease-cause_us_57e40374e4b0e28b2b52a67c)

Health Spectator.co.uk- September 27, 2016 (https://health.spectator.co.uk/the-answer-to-crohns-disease-may-be-found-in-a-fungus/)

[Cara]

This may be interesting and helpful for some people.

Stephanie Relfe (Kinesiologist and author) has a book called "You're not fat. You're toxic". It has a vast amount of information on food, toxins and being overweight.
http://www.yourenotfatyouretoxic.com/wp/

Here she reads the intro chapter from the book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGdaMgqZEs0

Here is the intro text from the website (it has a marketing slant - she is trying to sell the book after all - but it is still useful as she describes more about her approach):

Fat is Not about Calories. It’s about Toxins.

Obesity is not a disease. It’s a business plan.

You’re Not Fat. You’re Toxic is an explosive expose in the fight against the worldwide obesity epidemic.

Mega-corporation presidents and government infiltrators worked together to plan your weight gain. It is not an accident that you are overweight.

There is no money in dead people. And no money in healthy people. They want you somewhere in the middle.

The government subsidizes toxic and addicting foods. Then the food mafia processes those foods into junk food that makes you fat and sick. Then the medical mafia sells you drugs so that you won’t know how sick you are, and they receive $2.2 Trillion.

Then the $60 Billion dollar per year diet mafia tells you it’s your fault for not “counting calories”.

You have been taught what to eat, what to drink and how to think for over 50 years. You have been brainwashed into being a slave of the corporations by the schools, books, magazines and television shows. It’s a horrible, vicious project that was planned to make you sick and overweight. These corporations are killing you. You never had a chance.

Now you do!

Internationally known Kinesiologist and health expert Stephanie Relfe has created a veritable University course on fat loss.

You’re Not Fat. You’re Toxic explodes the calorie counting myth and shows you exactly how weight reduction is about eliminating toxins, not about counting calories. This 650 page, hands on course makes YOU the expert and will help you get your ideal body. There are no additional courses or special products to buy.

This detailed book has the exact information you need for your ideal body. It’s written in a very easy-to-understand style, so that anyone can benefit from this powerful program. Scientific explanations are put into the simplest possible terms so that anyone can easily understand what they need to know.


More at her website, including reader reviews.

I have a copy of her book which a I got with her Kinesiology DVD course.

/Searcher

[scott12133]

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A quick input from me: :)



Calorie counting on its own means very little when it comes to weight control.

Weight gain (unless it's triggered by endocrine/hormone imbalance) is often caused by spiking blood sugar levels (in turn, often caused by too many 'fast' carbs) -- which are siphoned off by the liver, that then dumps the excess sugar as added body fat as fast as it can.



So, high 'fast' carb intake can often result in weight gain.



High fat intake does not necessarily make one fat (at all).



Exercise always helps, of course (it helps anything!) -- but not because you're burning calories on the treadmill, or while out jogging. It helps because the whole metabolism is trigger-boosted to a slightly faster-running resting state, 24/7.


Bill you hit the nail right on the head with this one.Its 100% fact. Ive been a fitness freak( for lack of a better term) for 30 years now and have used this way of eating for decades to get lean. Insulin is the main culprit here. Quick and sudden blood sugar spikes from fast sugary carbs will cause a huge release of insulin into the blood stream and when high amounts of insulin are present the fat burning process comes to a complete Holt. I generally try to keep my card intake to 125 grams a day, witch is a lot of green veggies. Most Americans don't realize their eating 300 to 400 hundred or more carbs a day.

[kanishk]

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A quick input from me: :)




Calorie counting on its own means very little when it comes to weight control.

Weight gain (unless it's triggered by endocrine/hormone imbalance) is often caused by spiking blood sugar levels (in turn, often caused by too many 'fast' carbs) -- which are siphoned off by the liver, that then dumps the excess sugar as added body fat as fast as it can.





So, high 'fast' carb intake can often result in weight gain.





High fat intake does not necessarily make one fat (at all).





Exercise always helps, of course (it helps anything!) -- but not because you're burning calories on the treadmill, or while out jogging. It helps because the whole metabolism is trigger-boosted to a slightly faster-running resting state, 24/7.



Bill you hit the nail right on the head with this one.Its 100% fact. Ive been a fitness freak( for lack of a better term) for 30 years now and have used this way of eating for decades to get lean. Insulin is the main culprit here. Quick and sudden blood sugar spikes from fast sugary carbs will cause a huge release of insulin into the blood stream and when high amounts of insulin are present the fat burning process comes to a complete Holt. I generally try to keep my card intake to 125 grams a day, witch is a lot of green veggies. Most Americans don't realize their eating 300 to 400 hundred or more carbs a day.

Some 8 years ago I watched this video, made by Natalie. I liked the sound of her speech and the way she explained things, so I use to watched her videos at that time. Below is her video on how QUICK SUGAR reacts in your body. I have not watched this video again now but remember what she says in this video,

>She explains how quick sugar get easily absorbed into the blood stream,
>then blood can not handle high amount of sugar in it so body quickly secrets insulin to decrease this blood sugar,
>then body converts this sugar into glycogen and stores it in liver for quick use,
>but when body finds that the stores in liver are already full it converts glycogen into fat.

>After eating up sugar and the sudden overflow of increased insulin in blood, this insulin further lowers the blood sugar and after some time after eating high sugar breakfast you start to hungry again.
>Then body start to covert glycogen into usable glucose to be utilized as fuel, so liver overburdens with more work.
>This lets you hunger for more sugary stuff rather that fibery stuff because your liver doesn't want to overburdened with more work.
>So you eat sugars and get quick energy again and the this cycles continues..

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[Baby Steps]

There are many people who struggle with restrictive diets and stubborn fat.
Probably under-active thyroid is far more widespread than acknowledged.(including in our house)
This long article is excellent, as it emphasises that a more thorough medical approach than just - 'Oh - It's an under-active thyroid - you have to take these pills for the rest of your life', which is what people usually get.

Another interesting point is that many healthy foods can affect the thyroid.

Also MERCURY. Do we all know which fish to be avoided (the big, old ones)

If I could afford it, I would have those amalgams out!

ON THE UPSIDE, THE QUICKEST,EASIEST WAY TO HELP THE THYROID IS SHORT BURSTS OF INTENSIVE EXERCISE


http://www.drdebe.com/articles/reviving-your-thyroid



Reviving Your Thyroid
by Dr. Joseph Debé
One treatment option for hypothyroidism is thyroid hormone replacement therapy. This simply involves taking thyroid hormone in pill form to make up for what the body is failing to produce on its own. This is routinely the only treatment used for hypothyroidism by conventional medicine because it is believed that nothing more can be done. Hypothyroidism is believed to be a condition that is idiopathic – "cause unknown". As you are about to learn, the reality is that there are many factors that have been shown to lower thyroid function. Interestingly, most of the following information has been published in mainstream scientific journals and textbooks. To use no intervention other than thyroid replacement hormone almost guarantees that it will be needed for life. If you are comfortable with this proposition, that’s fine.


There is, however, another option. The underlying causes of the underactive thyroid can indeed be sought out and corrected. One good reason to consider this approach is the fact that whatever caused the underactive thyroid is likely to also cause other problems in the body. Investigation and treatment of the underlying causes of hypothyroidism can be carried out alone or in conjunction with thyroid hormone replacement therapy. There is no guarantee that any given case of hypothyroidism can be reversed, but if it can be done, our program is likely the one to accomplish it. We know of no other program that is nearly as comprehensive.
Restoring underactive thyroid function to normal is no minor undertaking. To do so will require thorough investigation and effort by both patient and doctor. Before we get into our program for reviving the thyroid, let's first review some basics about the thyroid.

The thyroid gland, located in the lower part of the neck, produces the hormones calcitonin, T4 (tetraiodothyronine) and T3 (triiodothyronine). However, about 80 percent of the body's T3 is actually produced outside the thyroid gland, primarily in the liver, by chemical modification of T4. T4 and T3 are composed of the mineral iodine and the amino acid tyrosine. Hormones are messenger molecules that circulate throughout the body, regulating diverse bodily functions. Calcitonin plays a role in calcium metabolism and is not involved in hypothyroidism. T4, and the more powerful hormone, T3, regulate body temperature and the metabolic (biochemical reaction) rate of every cell in the body. When the level and/or activity of these hormones falls, the body temperature drops and the rate of chemical reactions slows throughout the body. Less energy is produced and more bodyfat accumulates. Because thyroid hormones govern metabolic rate in all body cells, hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid activity) can affect all body functions and manifest in a variety of symptoms. Deficient levels of thyroid hormones can produce: fatigue; weight gain; depression; constipation; low body temperature; cold intolerance; hoarseness; muscle weakness; joint pain and stiffness; morning headaches; carpal tunnel and similar syndromes; goiter; hypertension; impaired kidney function; slow heart rate; dry, rough, yellow skin; thin, brittle nails; loss of sex drive; shortness of breath; muscle pains; water retention; impairment of concentration and memory; learning disabilities; altered immunity; coarse, dry, brittle hair; hair loss; high blood cholesterol and triglycerides; menstrual irregularities; miscarriage; premature deliveries; still births; and infertility.
There are many different factors that can contribute to hypothyroidism. These include: genetics, aging, stress, surgical or pharmaceutical treatment of hyperthyroidism, anorexia nervosa, fasting, malnutrition, nutrient insufficiencies, systemic illness, insulin resistance, inflammation, autoimmunity, physical trauma, smoking, radiation, iron-deficiency anemia, imbalance of other hormones including estrogen and progesterone, exposure to environmental pollutants and other toxins, some medications, inactivity, and even certain foods.

Sluggish thyroid activity can result from impairment of any of a number of steps in thyroid hormone metabolism. These steps include: stimulation of the thyroid by TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) from the pituitary gland, accumulation of iodine within the thyroid gland; production of thyroid hormone; release of hormone from the thyroid gland into the blood; transport of thyroid hormone within the bloodstream; conversion of T4 to the more active thyroid hormone, T3; binding of thyroid hormone to cell receptors; transport of thyroid hormone into the cells (where it produces its activity); elimination of thyroid hormone from the body.
Much of your thyroid rejuvenation program will need to be customized based on results of special laboratory tests. However, we feel that some recommendations apply to virtually all patients with an underactive thyroid. Because certain foods impair thyroid function, we suggest that you consume only small amounts of these until your thyroid is normalized. These foods include: cabbage, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, kale, cauliflower, maize, turnips, sweet potatoes, lima beans, bamboo shoots, mustard greens, onions, green tea, peanuts, pinenuts, walnuts, almonds, sorghum, cassava, millet, grapefruit and apples. Although many of these foods have a reputation for being health promoting, they can be counterproductive for the individual striving to boost a sluggish thyroid. The question is: how much of these foods can be tolerated without adversely affecting thyroid function? Cooking some of these foods will eliminate their negative effects. Other foods that should be limited include those foods rich in saturated fats (beef, lamb, pork, dairy, organ meats, processed coconut and palm oils); trans fatty acid-containing, partially hydrogenated vegetable oils (found in margarine and most processed foods); and refined carbohydrates (table sugar, candy, cookies, crackers, muffins, bagels, cakes, pasta, most cereals and breads).
Eat mostly whole, unrefined foods the way nature provides them. For example, eat baked potatoes, rather than French-fries. Assure adequate protein intake. Eat liberal amounts of vegetables, legumes, fruits, nuts, seeds, fish and eggs. Consume smaller amounts of lean meats, poultry, dairy products, whole grains, whole grain breads and pastas. Cold water fish such as mackerel, salmon, and sardines should be consumed at least several times per week. Larger fish, such as tuna and swordfish, as well as shellfish and sea vegetables, often are contaminated with high levels of mercury, which can suppress thyroid function. Limit consumption of these foods, as well as fresh water fish, which are often contaminated with thyroid-suppressing PCBs. For those who will not eat fish, other options are supplements of fish oil, krill oil, cod liver oil, and algal oil. Choose "organic" produce and "free range" animal products whenever possible, in order to lower possible exposure to pollutants which poison thyroid metabolism. (For a list of some of the environmental toxins identified to interfere with thyroid function, see page 9.) Organic produce also has more vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients than does conventional produce.
Further reduce pollution exposure by using a good quality water filter. A special filter to remove fluoride is required for those water supplies where fluoride is added. Chlorine and fluoride both substitute for iodine within molecules of thyroid hormone and alter its function. Not only is chlorine ingested in drinking water, it also enters the body through the skin and is inhaled in water vapor while showering. For those whose water supply has added chlorine, a shower filter to remove chlorine is also necessary. A whole house filter, to remove impurities in all the water supplied to your home, is something to consider.

Several natural supplements are worthy of consideration by any person with hypothyroidism. Guggulsterone, a plant-derived Ayurvedic remedy, aids in the stimulation of thyroid function, weight loss, and lowering of elevated blood cholesterol and triglycerides (which often result from hypothyroidism). Supplements of mixed mineral phosphates have been shown to prevent weight loss-induced drops in T3 levels. So, for those attempting to lose weight, mineral phosphates are a good choice. Thyrosol and GTA Forte are nutritional products formulated to support thyroid function. Ask us if they are appropriate in your particular case. Supplemental riboflavin (vitamin B2) can help drive a cellular energy-producing chemical reaction that becomes sluggish in hypothyroidism. This can make a difference for those hypothyroid individuals not using thyroid hormone replacement therapy. Individuals whose hypothyroidism is autoimmune in origin (Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis) may benefit from Inflamm-A-Stat, Kaprex A.I., and extra vitamin D3. Supplements of quercetin, alpha lipoic acid, P.A.B.A. and melatonin should be used with caution, as these have the potential to suppress thyroid activity.

Melatonin is a hormone produced by the body. Its production increases in response to darkness. That is one of the reasons people tend to gain more weight in the winter. To guard against melatonin suppressing your thyroid function, make sure to get regular exposure to sunlight (a good fifteen minutes a day). When this is not possible, an option is to sit within six feet of a special 10,000-lux lamp for half an hour or more on a daily basis.
Exercise stimulates thyroid hormone secretion and improves tissue sensitivity to the hormone. Regular exercise needs to be a part of your program. It is important to realize that weight loss programs that do not incorporate exercise can result in blunting of thyroid activity and excessive loss of healthy lean body tissue. Ideally, exercise should include muscle strengthening, stretching, and cardio-respiratory conditioning. If exercise is something new for you, ask us for some help in getting started on a regular program.

LABORATORY INVESTIGATION OF HYPOTHYROIDISM
Hopefully, by now, you are gaining an appreciation for the fact that the thyroid is not an isolated gland, functioning autonomously, without connection to other parts of the body. To get a better feel for just how complex thyroid metabolism (and metabolism in general) is, let's take a look at the influence of a single compound on thyroid function.
Reduced glutathione is a tripeptide (composed of three amino acids), produced by the body, which plays a role in the conversion of T4 to T3. Low levels of reduced glutathione can result in impaired thyroid function. Now take a look at all the things that can result in inadequate levels of reduced glutathione in the body: deficiencies of vitamins B2, B3, C, E, alpha-lipoic acid, and good quality protein; toxins from diverse sources such as medications (including acetaminophen), environmental pollutants, and heavy metals (lead, mercury, etc.); oxidative stress (imbalance of free radicals in relation to antioxidants); heavy alcohol consumption; and insulin resistance. These influences on levels of reduced glutathione are, in turn, affected by other factors such as: genetics, aging, inactivity, nutrient deficiencies, smoking, infection, inflammation, impaired detoxication, poor dietary choices, stress, suboptimal digestion and absorption function. Sound complex? It is. That is why we need to take a holistic approach and leave no stone unturned in our quest to normalize your thyroid and improve your health in general.

Many nutrients are required for proper thyroid function. Insufficiencies of any of these could result in impaired thyroid metabolism. These include: iodine, selenium, cobalt, zinc, iron, rubidium, copper, reduced glutathione, L-tyrosine, and vitamins A, B2, B3, B6, C, D and E. Iodine is critically important to thyroid function. Iodine status is evaluated by an iodine loading test done on a specimen obtained from a 24 hour urine collection. Iodine deficiency is the rule, not the exception. Most of the other nutrients are measured as part of an Individualized Optimal Nutrition (ION) Profile, which is a panel of eight different tests done on blood and urine specimens. The ION Profile evaluates other important areas including cellular energy production, neurotransmitter status, toxic metals, oxidative stress, adequacy of the body's detoxication pathways, and the waste produtcs of intestinal organisms.
The Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis is another important test for the hypothyroid individual. This test involves analysis of a stool specimen for two dozen different compounds. You may be eating the proper foods and consuming the right nutrients, but if you have suboptimal digestion or absorption, your body, including the thyroid, will suffer. The Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis gives a good indication as to your body's ability to digest and absorb food. This test gives additional information that can have a bearing on thyroid function, including the make-up of the different species of bacteria and yeast inhabiting your intestinal tract. Certain bacteria, parasites and yeast can provoke an inflammatory response by the body that can result in reduced thyroid function. Additionally, The body's immune system can sometimes produce antibodies against yeast and bacteria, which cross-react with the thyroid gland. This results in autoimmune hypothyroidism. Incidentally, the environmental pollutants PBBs (poly-brominated biphenyls) and PCBs (poly-chlorinated biphenyls), the grain protein gluten, as well as antipsychotic medications like phenothiazines, have also been implicated in autoimmune hypothyroidism. However, even without evoking an immune response, waste products from toxic organisms in the intestinal tract pass into the bloodstream and can poison various biochemical reactions and suppress thyroid metabolism. What’s more, abnormal intestinal flora, vegetarian diets, and rapid transit time (speed at which food passes through the gastrointestinal tract) can all contribute to reduced enterohepatic circulation of thyroid hormones. Enterohepatic circulation can be simply viewed as a way the body conserves thyroid hormones. Treatment to improve digestion, absorption, and bowel ecology is customized from results of the Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. Testing for genetic intolerance to foods like gluten and testing for acquired delayed food rections is also important.
Obviously, toxicity is a potential contributor to hypothyroidism. We therefore advocate evaluation of toxins and the body's ability to detoxify itself. Two thyroid-suppressing toxins we test for are bromide and mercury. Bromide can be tested from blood. Mercury toxicity is best assessed with an evaluation of porphyrin levels from urine.

The liver is the main organ of detoxication and the site of greatest production of T3. The test we routinely use to assess the body's detoxication capacity is the Organix, which can be ordered as part of the ION Profile. The Comprehensive Detoxification Profile can be done if additional information is needed.. This test involves analysis of saliva, urine, and blood specimens after "challenging" the body to detoxify caffeine, Tylenol, and aspirin. The Comprehensive Detoxification Profile gives detailed information about the body's ability to process toxins, its current load of toxins and free radicals, and the status of its antioxidant defense system. Results from this test allow for recommendation of specific nutrients and foods to improve detoxication.
In fact, one of the most important therapies for improving thyroid function, and health in general, is an individually tailored metabolic detoxification program. Many people think of detoxification as simply colon cleansing. Metabolic detoxification is far more comprehensive. It involves use of food, scientifically proven detoxification supplements, and other natural therapies to help the body process and eliminate toxins from every cell, tissue and organ, not just the intestines. Metabolic detoxification is the single most powerful therapy we have. It often produces a significant reduction in chronic symptoms in a matter of weeks. We strongly encourage you to allow us to coach you through a metabolic detoxification program in order to rid the body of thyroid-suppressing toxins. Metabolic detoxification is an excellent way to start a weight loss program, as the loss of bodyfat liberates stored toxins and introduces them into circulation. Without proper detoxication, these toxins can produce damage throughout the body, including the thyroid.

Another test we recommend for our hypothyroid patients is The Adrenal Stress Index. This test involves analysis of saliva samples for levels of the stress hormones, cortisol and DHEA. Cortisol and DHEA are largely antagonistic to each other, and must be in proper balance for good health. Prolonged stress results in elevation of cortisol and suppression of DHEA. This causes breakdown throughout the body. High cortisol to DHEA ratios suppress TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) levels. TSH, produced by the pituitary gland, which is located at the base of the brain, stimulates the thyroid to take-up iodine, manufacture and release thyroid hormones. Therefore, suppression of TSH results in lower thyroid activity. Elevated cortisol to DHEA levels also impair the conversion of T4 to T3. The body makes less T3 and more reverse (r) T3 in response to high cortisol to DHEA ratios. Reverse T3 is slightly different in structure from T3 and does not appropriately bind to receptor sites, as does T3. The rT3 blocks T3 from binding to receptor sites and exerting biologic activity, and fails to exert thyroid action of its own. The result is a slowing of metabolism. It is important to realize that the stress that can cause cortisol-DHEA imbalance is not only mental-emotional strain. These hormones also become altered by: excessive levels of sound and light, certain chemicals, fatigue, starvation, acute illness, pain, tissue injury, trauma, surgery, long airplane flights, heat, cold, and rapid fluctuations in blood sugar levels. The three most common stressors appear to be mental-emotional, tissue injury, and rapid fluctuations in blood sugar levels. The results of The Adrenal Stress Index test reveal whether imbalance of cortisol and DHEA may be impacting your health. The exact nature of abnormal values leads us to appropriate therapies to restore a normal stress response and, thus, "unstress" the thyroid.

Laboratory blood tests that identify inflammation are also important. These include SED rate, C-reactive protein, fibrinogen, white blood cell count, basophil cell count, and cytokines (IL-1, IL-6, TNF). Inflammation is another cause of low thyroid function. When present, the cause of the inflammation needs to be sought and dealt with appropriately. Common causes are infection, food antigens, nutritional imbalances, stress and toxicity.
Other tests may be indicated in any given case of hypothyroidism. For example, some women may have suppressed thyroid function due in part to elevated estrogen and/or low progesterone levels. These hormones are best evaluated with a "Female Hormone Panel". This is a laboratory test that measures these hormones from saliva samples. The results lead to customized treatment. However, to summarize, our general work-up for most individuals with hypothyroidism includes:
1. Individualized Optimal Nutrition Profile
2. Iodine loading test
3. Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis
4. Food sensitivity test
5. Adrenal Stress Index
6. Tests to identify inflammation
Results of these tests lead to customized treatment, which can correct the underlying causes of your impaired thyroid metabolism.

THYROID SUPPRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL CHEMICALS

As you read this list, think carefully about any possible exposure to these chemicals, past or present. Notify Dr. Debé if you think there is even a remote chance of any exposure (excluding food sources).
(Most of the following information on sources of chemicals and medications comes from The Merck Index, Twelfth Edition, 1996)
Methimazole and Carbimazole - used in silver electroplating; also used as antihyperthyroid medicine.
Goitrin - found in cruciferous vegetables.
Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT) - insecticide still in wide use in other countries; absorbed by ingestion, through the skin, and by inhalation.
Resorcinol - may be present in community water supplies, particularly in coal-rich areas of the world; used in tanning, resin adhesives, dyes, explosives, cosmetics, dyeing and printing textiles. Present in cigarette smoke.
Pyridines – found in coal and in cigarette smoke.
Phthalate esters and phthalaitic acids and their metabolites- found naturally in plants, fungal metabolites, shale, crude oil, and petroleum; common industrial water pollutants; used in varnishes and perfumes. As compounds that impart flexibility to plastics (comprising up to 40% of the weight of plastic), polyvinylchloride polymers (PVC) are widely used, including: in building and construction, home furnishings, cars, clothing and food wrappings. The thyroid-suppressing effect of these compounds results when they are chemically modified by certain types of bacteria (Gram-negative) which may contaminate drinking water or inhabit your intestinal tract!
Thiocyanate -found in brassica vegetables and cigarette smoke.
Fisetin, Kaemferol, Naringenin, and Quercetin- among the most potent of the thyroid – suppressing flavanoids, found in plants. Onions are a rich source of quercetin, grapefruits contain naringenin.
P-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) - used in sunscreens; a B vitamin co-factor.
Lithium - found in food; used in the production of alloys for aircrafts and aerospace; used in the plastics industry, ceramics, electrochemical cells, batteries, lubricating greases.
Nabam - agricultural fungicide.
Zineb - agricultural fungicide.
Ziram - agricultural fungicide; rubber vulcanization accelerator.
Aromatic Amines - fungicide, emulsifier, soil stabilizer.
Barbituric Acid - used in manufacture of plastics, pharmaceuticals.
Ethylene thiourea - accelerator in synthetic rubber production.
Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and Polybrominated biphenyls (PBBs) - once widely used industrial chemicals whose high stability contributed to long term deleterious environmental and health effects. Airborne PCBs accumulate in foliage. Used in electrical capacitors, electrical transformers, gas transmission turbines, vacuum pumps. Formerly used in the U.S. as hydraulic fluids, plasticizers, adhesives, fire retardants, wax extenders, dedusting agents, pesticide extenders, inks, lubricants, cutting oils, in heat transfer systems, carbonless reproducing paper. PCBs and PBBs are found in our food supply, especially certain fish.
Uracil - used in biochemical research.
Amphenone - used in biological research.
Meta-aminophenol - dye intermediate.
3-Methylcholanthrene - used in cancer research.
Phloroglucinol - used in chemistry, printing, and textile dyeing.
Rotenone - insecticide.
2,4-dinitrophenol - insecticide; herbicide; fungicide; wood preservative; used in the manufacture of dyes.
Quinone - used in the manufacture of dyes; in photography; tanning hides.
Perchlorate - salts for explosives and for plating of metals.
Thiourea - used in manufacture of resins; photographic fixing agent; used to remove stains from negatives.
Pentachlorophenol - wood and leather preservative. Found in the urine of 71% of Americans in a random sample.
Fluoride - added to some water supplies (all of New York City), and toothpaste.
Chlorine - added to most water supplies, including all of New York City.
Bromide - added to grains; found in many medications.

MEDICATIONS KNOWN TO IMPAIR THYROID FUNCTION

The following list shows first, the class of medication. In most cases this is followed by additional information: the chemical name of the medication and then the brand names. Notify Dr. Debé if you have used any of these medications.
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs
Antiarrhythmic - Amiodarone - Amiordar, Ancoron, Angiodarona, Attansil, Cordarex, Cordarone, Cordarone X, Miocard, Miodacon, Ortacrone, Ritmocardyl, Rythmarone, Trangorex.
- Propranolol - Inderal
Antianginal - Amiodarone (see above) and 2-Thiouracil
Antihypertensive – Propranolol - Inderal
Tranquilizer – Chloropromazine – Thorazine
Antimalarial - Chloroquine - Arechin, Avloclor, Imagon, Malaquin, Resochin, Tresochin.
Antiamebic - Chloroquine (see above).
Antirheumatic - Chloroquine (see above).
Lupus Erythematosus suppressant - Chloroquine (see above).
Antibacterial - P-aminosalicylic acid - Aminocil, Aminopar, Bactylan, Entepas, Gabbropas, Osacyl, Pamisyl Sodium, Paracipan, Paramisan Sodium, Pasid, Pasara Sodium, Pasmed Sodium, Salvis.
Antibacterial - Sulfadiazine - Adiazine, Diazyl, Sulfolex.
- Sulfathiazole - Thiazamide, Cibazol, Duatok, Enterobiocine, Sulfamul, Sulfavitina, Sulzol.
Tuberculostatic - P-aminosalicylic acid (see above).
Fluoroquinolone Antibiotics - Ciprofloxacin, Cipro, Ciloxan eye drops, Levofloxacin, Levaquin, Quixin, Moxifloxacin, Avelox, Vigamox eye drops, Norfloxacin, Noroxin, Ofloxacin, Ocuflox, Floxin, Floxin Otic, Floxacin, Trovafloxacin, Trovan, and Alatrofloxacin
Antidepressants - Amitriptyline –Flavil
- Clomipramine –Anafranil

Doxepin – Adapin, Sinequan

Imipramine – Tofranil

Trimipramine – Surmontil

Amoxapine – Asendin

Desipramine – Norpramin, Pertrofrane

Maprotiline – Ludiomil

Nortriptyline – Pamelor

Protriptyline – Vivactil
Antihelmintic - 4-hexylresorcinol - Ascaryl, Caprokol, Crystoids, Gelovermin, Sucrets, Worm-Agen.
Topical Antiseptic - 4-hexylresorcinol (see above).
Topical Antiseptic - Substituted phenols
Kerotolytic - Resorcinol
Antiseborrheic - Resorcinol
Antihyperthyroid - Methimazole
- Carbimazole
- Thiouracil
- Aminothiazole
- Propylthiouracil
Analgesic - Antipyrine - Analgesine, Anodynine, Parodyne, Phenylone, Sedatine.
- Methadone
Antispasmodic - Phloroglucinol
Sedative - Amobarbital - Somnal, Dormytal, Isomytal, Eunoctal, Amal, Mylodorm, Sednotic, Amasust, Stadadorm, Amytal.
Hypnotic - Amobarbital (see above)
Antifungal - Oligomycin
Anticoagulant - Dicumarol - Dicoumarol, Dicoumarin, Dicumol, Dufalone, Melitoxin.
Glucocorticoids - Betamethasone – Celestone Soluspan
- Cortisone Acetate - Cortone Acetate
- Dexamethasone – Dalalone D.P., Decadron
- Prednisolone – Hydeltrasol, Hydeltra-T.B.A., Pediapred, Prelone
- Hydrocortisone - Hydrocortone
Antihypotensive – Dopamine – Intropin, Dopastat
Cardiotonic - Ouabain
Topical Anti Pruritic - Substituted phenols
Ultraviolet Screen - P-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) - Amben, Paraminol, Sunbrella. Ingredient in Pobanol, Presun.
Topical Anesthetic - Substituted phenols
Congestive Heart Failure Medication - 2-Thiouracil
Radiocontrast Agents
Interferon-a – used in cases of hepatitis C and some cancers
Estrogen (oral, not vaginal or transdermal) – Premarin and others
Cholesterol-Lowering – Clofibrate
Anti-Cancer - 5-fluorouraci – Efudex
- Tamoxifen - Nolvadex
Anticonvusant - Phenytoin – Dilantin
- Carbamazepine - Tegretol

[Savannah]

As far as academic research goes, there is some research in the last couple of years pointing to antibiotics being one of the culprits. The Chinese and Japanese, for example consume MORE calories than Americans, on average. Now, granted, they aren't consuming as many calories in fat and sugar and they are exercising more, but the factor X might be antibiotics.

In North American agribusiness cattle are fed massive amounts of antibiotics. This isn't necessarily to ward off infections. They discovered years ago that a byproduct of the antibiotics was a much larger, fatter cow. Scientists are now studying the very real possibility tha the over prescribing of anti-biotics, in humans may have the same effect.

Yes read Dr. Pearlmutter "Grain Brain" and "Brain maker", he is one of many who explain the link between antibiotics and the destruction of gut biome. Thus the need for probiotics. Dr. Davis "wheat Belly" also presents like Pearlmutter why carbohydrates/sugar and grains cause fat, not fat! Good oils like olive, butter, avocado are good for you and your brain. Bad oils like Canola, soy , all seed oils and saturated fats are bad. Fat from animals is not bad for you unless the animal is fed corn, and dangerously bad if feed genetically modified corn.

[Dianamar]

Has anyone mentioned the problem with Parasites ? if you have them no matter what you do you wont have control over your health. People with pets are at high risk.

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this is something i have had to deal with,

Tap Water is a predominant supply as a lot of new parasites are becoming immune to additives to clean it.

I would start with water filtration then boiling the water.

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Watch cravings , drink fresh ginger tea ( great for mood and energy ) cut out un processed foods and sugars.

At very least anybody with a weight or health problem SHOULD FILTER their WATER. We all know how convenient a delivery system the water supply is. We worry about Fluoride but i have a feeling that's the least of our worries...

For those who cant get a good diagnosis from a conventional doctor ( which is common ), please try a bio resonance specialist. They will diagnose most problems in under an hour without any invasive methods or blood tests.

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if anyone has better or additional lists please post them here. :heart:

[Flash]

Target: if there is one video, only one video, that should make you change your mind and spin your filters about obesity, this is the one

Please, all unlookers, play this video, it will change your mind about obesity and your prejudices forever


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ

and... beginning of solutions

https://www.dietdoctor.com/how-to-lose-weight


1.Choose a low-carb diet
2.Eat when hungry
3.Eat real food
4.Eat only when hungry
5.Measure your progress wisely
6.Be persistent
7.Women: Avoid fruit
8.Men: Avoid beer
9.Avoid artificial sweeteners
10.Review any medications
11.Stress less, sleep more
12.Eat less of dairy products and nuts
13.Supplement vitamins and minerals
14.Use intermittent fasting
15.Exercise smart
16.Achieve optimal ketosis
17.Get your hormones checked
18.Consider weight loss pills / drugs (if desperate)

[The Freedom Train]

So many excellent points here! I really enjoy this group discussion and I love to see how everyone comes together to give their support and advice.

I would like to add as food for thought (so we can all have fat brains....jk!), that the brain is hardwired to shut down all but the most essential of functions when in "fight or flight" mode (the digestive processes apparently being non essential when you are running away from a saber tooth tiger) - meaning, anybody who is very sensitive and reacting to EMF and other subtle energy bombardment 24/7, or anybody who has had very difficult times in life that cause intense emotional strain and stress, or anybody who has a high pressure job, or anybody who is constantly worrying about money and behind the eight ball stuck in survival mode, (just to throw out a couple examples), will be in fight or flight mode for most of their waking hours, when not hypnotized by television, or enebriated in some way. These people are not digesting or processing their food properly. The brain shuts down the digestive process during fight or flight. IBS anybody?

I would take a guess that probably much of the population in the US is operating at that level for a good part of the day if not all the time. Different physiologies will handle this digestive issue differently I am sure, and perhaps this is why exercise has become such an important part of daily life for certain strata in the US - because of course it does activate the digestive processes, move the lymph around the body to clear out cellular debris and waste for removal from the body, and reduces stress (unless you are obsessively training for the Olympics).

There are of course other ways to counteract the stress factor (win the lottery! j/k again), and other ways to improve digestion and assimilation of what is being eaten. I found I keep weight off (which I tend to gain very easily) by not eating grains. I stopped when, after a juice fast I did last year, I ate a bagel and then had to take a two hour nap. I was that tired after eating it. I was amazed. I realized that my body was not processing the nutrients correctly, and cut out wheat - and eventually realized that all grain was a digestive challenge for me to varying degrees, so it all had to go eventually. I don't seem to do well with cheese either. So of course not many options left after that, but I've managed to find some relatively satisfying food combinations that fill my belly and keep me alive and well.

But I don't think my meager diet is the end all be all. I see it as a stepping stone until I can get to the point where I am able to eat normally again. Or maybe I will become a breatharian. Or maybe I'll go live with the faeries and drink ambrosia. Who the heck knows!

I am sure you are all sick of hearing it by now, but I must say that I have also noticed that my meditations really help regulate my digestion - I am certain it is because it reduces tension and stress. I make a point to always relax my abdomen when sitting in meditation, and I believe the release of tensions there may also help the intestinal flow of things down there. I find that I shed extra weight and keep it off when I meditate regularly, which may seem counterintuitive since all I am doing is sitting, but I have certainly noticed this to be the case. It also helps regulate my appetite and curbs cravings for foods that I know are not good for me.

[The Freedom Train]

I had a serious stroke 2 years ago (still cant walk or write normally) , i was overweight and had hi blood pressure, as well as relatively hi collesterol. After the stroke, my wife then put me on a zen diet that dictated the order in which you eat food, such as liquids first, then fruit and then the main meal. Also the foods you can combine are restricted, like potatoes dont mix with proteins. Vegetables can go with anything else in the main meal, so we always have salads, except maybe with soup. I became a vegetarian in the process (not vegan, tho). Also, this regimen was complimented by a one day a week fast, with periodic longer fasts.

As a result of the diet + fasting, i permanently lost 15% of my body weight, my blood pressure returned to that of a young person (usually less than 120's/70's, i got off the drugs (tho i take lots of supplements) and my cholesterol returned to acceptable levels. We save money on food and no drugs.

So having extra body fat was nearly deadly for me, and changing my diet and losing weight had a game changing positive affect on my life.

You are so blessed to have such a wonderful wife, and she is lucky to have a husband who was willing to do the work! I am so happy for the both of you! Congratulations! :)

[The Freedom Train]

I have a disease process that is causing a slow paralysis in my legs and leaving me completely wiped out -- (related to post polio syndrome, speaking of gut micro-biota imbalances). So exercising beyond what is required to prevent atrophy, for me, isn't a good idea.

AutumnW - perhaps a grain free diet, with intermittent juice fasts of 3 - 7 days, water fasts for a day or two when you can, with some gentle walks and daily meditation would help to detox your body while giving your digestion a break and helping release dense energies and tensions that are keeping things locked up? I stopped going to the gym last year when I started a 7 day juice fast. After that I began a journey with my diet that has led me to a "paleo" type grain free diet, with regular fasts and detox regimens. I meditate regularly. I consider this combo of all the intensive detox work (which has not included any real intensive exercise) to be the reason why I am now close to what I weighed in high school when I was a year round cross country and track athlete.

[ThePythonicCow]

and... beginning of solutions
Those are pretty much what I've done. I've lost 60 pounds from my peak, down to pretty much my ideal weight, and as I like to quip, I'm 10 years younger now than I was 10 years ago (meaning substantially healthier, by a variety of metrics and indicators.)

[TargeT]

Target: if there is one video, only one video, that should make you change your mind and spin your filters about obesity, this is the one


I don't understand how this changes my take on obesity at all, it doesn't change the "calories" in / "calories" out formula. Fasting for 20 or 30 days does the same thing to everyone, your body goes into extreme ketosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis) and fat reserves are depleted (as well as muscle, bone and what ever else your body needs to tap into and run, say if you aren't taking supplements).

Everything mentioned in that video and your previous posts are certainly a factor, but doesn't change the metabolic functions that require "energy" in the form of glucose/glycogen or ketones (http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketosis.html).

I still don't really understand why you take issue with me stating that.

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[ThePythonicCow]

I don't understand how this changes my take on obesity at all, it doesn't change the "calories" in / "calories" out formula.
In my experience, at least, my calories in vs calories out, is not, and never was, a useful indicator.

I may well be consuming more calories now, than when I weighed more and was less healthy. I've never counted calories, so don't actually know. Nor am I exercising any more now than then ... I was then and remain now a 95% couch potato ... well ... computer chair potato.

A wide variety of nutrients and "life style" adjustments are needed, including in particular:

many different minerals, several of which must be supplemented, for they are not reliably in our "natural food" sources,
various fats, including fresh (as they're delicate) omega 3 and 6 oils from plant sources,
avoidance of fats harmed by industrialized farming, Monsanto toxins, industrial processing, or poor storage,
avoiding numerous toxins in our food, water, dental repairs, vaccines, and prescribed drugs,
identifying and cleaning up/removing any existing concentrations of toxins in the body,
for energy, saturated and mono-unsaturated fats, from coconut, grass fed dairy and eggs, and avacado, consumed as much as desired,
abundant pre-biotics and pro-biotics, for the care and feeding of one's gut bacteria, and
purified, re-mineralized, and re-energized water (unless you're blessed with a good clean source of real spring or mountain water.)

Going in or nearly in ketosis is good, yes, as are various forms of fasting. But that's just one aspect of it. Ketosis and fasting help get the body out of the destructive sugar-carbs-insulin cycles caused by the diet recommended by our public health officials.

[Daozen]

Thanks Daozen,

I have a disease process that is causing a slow paralysis in my legs and leaving me completely wiped out -- (related to post polio syndrome, speaking of gut micro-biota imbalances). So exercising beyond what is required to prevent atrophy, for me, isn't a good idea.

Sorry to hear that Autumn. No time to make a federal case here, but there are many many stories of children with Polio being carried into Doctor's offices, and walking again after high dose vitamin C (6 grams plus). The guy's name was Klenner, IIRC. A quick search for - Iodine Polio - returned many positive results and trials, spanning nearly 100 years.

[ThePythonicCow]

Saying that weight loss is a matter of less in, more used up, is like saying that urban crime can be solved by banning guns, or that terrorist airplane hijackings can be solved by screening passengers for box cutters.

Sufficiently aggressive gun and box cutter bans may have a short term positive effect on the statistics, but for sustainable long term beneficial results, healthy communities are needed.

The essential processes involved are more complex than the oxygen, carbon dioxide, sugar, and fat mathematics in that video you posted. "Will Power" can dominate the statistics (the number on your bathroom scales) in the short term, but will not provide long term health benefits.

If I were a competition wrestler trying to make my weight category for an upcoming meet, then the short term weight would matter to me, down to the gram.

But weight is not my real goal, nor the goal of most of us. Well being and vibrant health are what most of us seek. Like healthy communities, families, and civilizations ... the critical processes are more complex.

[TargeT]

I don't understand how this changes my take on obesity at all, it doesn't change the "calories" in / "calories" out formula.
In my experience, at least, my calories in vs calories out, is not, and never was, a useful indicator..

Yeah, I wasn't talking about dieting or any long term solution.

Flash told me that I was wrong, that eating less isn't important when considering obesity, I still maintain that is incorrect.

fasting / eating less will make you loose weight, that's all I've ever said and that's all I meant to say; nothing further... As simple as that, nothing to do with diet & healthy living (I've talked about that here too, how it has to do with life style & is custom to each person & is much more than what you put in your face).

So in my take, on obesity:

eating less will make you loose weight.


That is not incorrect at all, there are certainly other factors; but to say that is incorrect is not something I comprehend... why is there opposition to this very basic idea?


Saying that weight loss is a matter of less in, more used up, is like saying that urban crime can be solved by banning guns, or that terrorist airplane hijackings can be solved by screening passengers for box cutters.

Then you don't mean "weight loss" do you? because that doesn't make sense at all if you mean "weight loss" by the definitions of the words.


Sufficiently aggressive gun and box cutter bans may have a short term positive effect on the statistics,

Sounds like a good anlogy for fasting, or HCG use, or any "jump start" weight loss type of action.


"Will Power" can dominate the statistics (the number on your bathroom scales) in the short term, but will not provide long term health benefits.

I disagree, will power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willpower) is all that matters. Will power is what makes you decide to change the way you eat, will power is what pushes you to exercise, will power is what motivates you to research & try out different options to see which one works for you.


Seems like the linguistic drift is heavy on this forum..

People say a thing, but do not mean what the words they used meant... it's something completely different...makes it hard to communicate.

[ThePythonicCow]

Another analogy - if you're running a slaughter house for turning horses into horse meat, you can force hundreds of horses a day off trucks, down channels, to their death. Simple brute force is sufficient.

But if you want one or a few vibrantly healthy horses, that work well with you, you have to play a more complex game, more subtle. You have to get to know those horses well, and continue to refine the various ways that you and they live and that you interact with them.

For vibrant physical health, one has to get to know one's body and work with it. This learning takes time. The processes and beings (including bazillions of bacteria not of our DNA) are a bit complex and entangled and sometimes counter-intuitive. Sustainable health involves a life time of learning. Our present culture, including TED talks, our civilization's primary food and medical practices, and our civlization's primary teachings on health and well being, all obstruct this learning and impede well being, to a sustantial degree.

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That is not incorrect at all, there are certainly other factors; but to say that is incorrect is not something I comprehend... why is there opposition to this very basic idea?
Perhaps Flash was thinking of the sustainable, long term, but didn't explicitly use such words ?

[TargeT]

That is not incorrect at all, there are certainly other factors; but to say that is incorrect is not something I comprehend... why is there opposition to this very basic idea?
Perhaps Flash was thinking of the sustainable, long term, but didn't explicitly use such words ?

I think that's very probable.

I also think grammar is EXTREMELY important, it is the first of the 7 liberal arts for a very important reason... here we are spinning our wheels using words but meaning other things...

makes for confusing conversation when the definition of the words we trade with each other do not stay constant.

[ThePythonicCow]

"Will Power" can dominate the statistics (the number on your bathroom scales) in the short term, but will not provide long term health benefits.

I disagree, will power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willpower) is all that matters. Will power is what makes you decide to change the way you eat, will power is what pushes you to exercise, will power is what motivates you to research & try out different options to see which one works for you.
Will power is an essential element of intentional behaviour, yes.

But given inadequate awareness, it's woefully insufficient.

One can pound a screw into wood with a sledge hammer - yes - but the result will not hold nearly as well as noticing that it's a screw, not a nail, and that a screwdriver with the proper shaped and sized bit would work a lot better.

...

Just really, really, wanting that screw to go in the wood is not sufficient to get it done, well.

[ThePythonicCow]

makes for confusing conversation when the definition of the words we trade with each other do not stay constant.
Sometimes reading the real meanings behind the words we speak or write is like guessing what my cat really wants ... communication apparently has to engage at several levels to be successful. Some Most of these levels are outside our conscious awareness, not to mention beyond our ability to verbalize fluently.

[Dianamar]

Target and Flash both make good points to consider for weight loss but what im seeing in this is in terms of general weight loss measures ALL methods need to be considered and then TAILORED to the individual.

With the TED video from Flash ( excellent video btw ) we see cutting carbs helps with type 2 diabetes. So Targets theory ties in with that by lowering calorie intake in the form of carbs. So you guys are both correct :heart:

So can we now look at the other cause of obesity and that is stress :( stress from two obviously intelligent people trying to help one another....

Target i tried your version of weight loss and it worked for me. Flash i tried your methods and it worked too ... but sometimes one will work better for one individual than the other.

So can we agree you both have excellent points and just kiss and make up ? ( where is my batting eyelash emoticon ? )


:heart:

[Ki's]

There are some pretty simple 'tricks' that can pretty much guarantee attaining and maintaining a healthy weight without going hungry. They are as follows:

1. ALWAYS EAT BREAKFAST. When you don’t eat first thing after waking, your body thinks there is a potential food shortage and slows down your metabolism to conserve energy stores. There is an old saying that you should eat like a king for breakfast, a prince for lunch and a pauper for dinner. Breakfast should be your biggest meal of the day.

2. ALWAYS EAT REAL FOOD. Non-GMO, Organic, no hormones, no antibiotics. This is becoming easier in the US as more big companies are getting on the 'non-gmo' bandwagon. Ya, it's a bit pricier, but I don't have to spend money on medication or diet aids, so I figure it equals out.

3. USE WEIGHTS TO EXERCISE WITH. Work on building muscle instead of burning off fat. Muscle jacks up your metabolism and is more efficient at burning calories, so increase muscle mass. Heavy weights, hard workout, 30 minutes, three times a week.

I'm 64 yrs old, 5'7" 122lbs and I EAT A LOT...I mean I really eat a lot. I have never counted calories and my diet regularly includes, whole milk, butter, wine, chocolate, cheese and bread.

Your body also wants you to eat in season. That means in the spring, lamb, young chicken, asparagus, greens....summer is tomato's, (mmm. caprese salad) berries, fresh fish, broccoli....fall is apples, squash, bean soup and corn bread, cabbage turned into sauerkraut and winter is thick stews, soups, casseroles and thick crusty breads.

Stress will contribute to weight gain, but remember when you were a kid and you couldn't wait to get home, change your clothes and go outside to play? Keep doing that. Play baseball, climb a tree, play tag, have a snowball fight....just play.
I have the advantage of 29 acres to play on and my son and I each have apple tree's. We play a family game called apple baseball (because it just makes such a lovely, satisfying splat when the bat connects with the apple.) That's stress relief. :) The kids are happy and sticky, the adults are happy and sticky and the ducks and chickens clean up the apple mess, so it's a win/win.

Real food, real play, real work.

[Flash]

Oh please Target, you are presumably in an international forum here. Words do not have precisely the same meanings between NY and California and Florida and still more discrepancies with British, but all speak the English language. Let alone when members'mother tongue is not English. It surely takes me twice as much time as English speaking member here to write those dam posts and you can notice that every single one is usually revised a few time for Grammar. And yet, they are filled with mistakes

So, if you do not have any leeway in your mother tongue to manage it slightly differently than you personnally do usualky, then nobody should or can write here.

In other words, we all have to read a bit between lines and verify our understanding. Therefore use patience and good will, and presume other members do the same.

Now the opposition to your basic calories count is perceived as opposition by you only

personnally, i truly thought you would be happy to learn something new in the video.

Plus, how can one have will power to diet or change food habits when in fact obese are nutrients starving people. Their body screams for nutrients not found anymore in GMO foids, in over exploitation of fields depleting them of nutrients for veges, with bodies so messed up that they cannot process the remaining nutrients properly therefore further depleting the body, etc

In that Paul is right. Low caloric count will work for a little while, the body will adapt by making weight gain much easier because it is starving more for nutrients than it already was before dieting. And the vicious cicle starts with people gaining weight at starvation caloric Levels. Eating less or no carbohydrated is fine but adresses only half of the problem. The real problem is why are we eating so badly and how much nutrients are to be found in good foods. The second half has zero to do with will power and destroys the diet efforts.

Seems easy to understand!! How come you don't? In a few sentences here, the obesity epidemic is explained.

All this with outstanding will power from these obese.




That is not incorrect at all, there are certainly other factors; but to say that is incorrect is not something I comprehend... why is there opposition to this very basic idea?
Perhaps Flash was thinking of the sustainable, long term, but didn't explicitly use such words ?

I think that's very probable.

I also think grammar is EXTREMELY important, it is the first of the 7 liberal arts for a very important reason... here we are spinning our wheels using words but meaning other things...

makes for confusing conversation when the definition of the words we trade with each other do not stay constant.

[TargeT]

Oh please Target, you are presumably in an international forum here. Words do not have precisely the same meanings between NY and California and Florida and still more discrepancies with British, but all speak the English language. Let alone when members'mother tongue is not English. It surely takes me twice as much time as English speaking member here to write those dam posts and you can notice that every single one is usually revised a few time for Grammar. And yet, they are filled with mistakes

So, if you do not have any leeway in your mother tongue to manage it slightly differently than you personnally do usualky, then nobody should or can write here.

In other words, we all have to read a bit between lines and verify our understanding. Therefore use patience and good will, and presume other members do the same.

Now the opposition to your basic calories count is perceived as opposition by you only

personnally, i truly thought you would be happy to learn something new in the video.

What do you feel I need to learn, why do you think that video had something special for me?

BTW, I never said "count calories" I think that's a funny way to live (especially since "calories" are sort of a made up crap term..) I simply pointed out that the volume of food consumed is has a strong relationship to the amount of fat stored, or used, by the body; there are many many factors that modify this, but this is the basic foundation it all stems from.


Plus, how can one have will power to diet or change food habits when in fact obese are nutrients starving people. Their body screams for nutrients not found anymore in GMO foids, in over exploitation of fields depleting them of nutrients for veges, with bodies so messed up that they cannot process the remaining nutrients properly therefore further depleting the body, etc

what are you saying here?

Do we need to define willpower (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power) as well (I do take a more Nietzsche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche) based view on it.. and I quote" his philosophy generates passionate reactions running from love to disgust")

By typing this post you exhibited willpower, everything we do is a product of "willpower".


In that Paul is right. Low caloric count will work for a little while

That's all I was saying.. but Paul is right?



the body will adapt by making weight gain much easier because it is starving more for nutrients than it already was before dieting. And the vicious cicle starts with people gaining weight at starvation caloric levels.

Millions (hundreds of thousands? Does unintended Ketosis count? (africa etc..))of Ketosis practitioners disagree.. My last 3 years of life disagree... "starvation" as you put it is the natural state for our bodies, that's WHY Ketosis works so well and WHY you have increased brain functioning and smoother energy levels.. but that's a whole other topic ;)

Suffice it to say: Fasting is amazing for you, historically this was known by nearly everyone; that's why fasting is in so many religions and other disciplines. (http://www.allaboutfasting.com/history-of-fasting.html)


Seems easy to understand!! How come you don't?

All this with outstanding will power from these obese.


I don't think you comprehend what I am saying, or don't want to. From this stems your confusion on my level of understanding.

[Dianamar]

Ok so no kissies then ? lol :confused:

[ozmirage]

The answer to the source of widespread obesity may be found in this informative video
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What is so special about the human brain?
http://www.ted.com/talks/suzana_herculano_houzel_what_is_so_special_about_the_human_brain
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Another factor is the brain fooling combinations of sugar, salt, vinegar and grease.
Taken alone, each is unpalatable beyond a certain point. But combined - wuh woh.
Ex: butter + powdered sugar = icing; salt + grease; salt + vinegar + oil; and so on.

[TargeT]

Ok so no kissies then ? lol :confused:


Flash isn't being mean (just expressive) and neither am I.

plus I'm married ;)

[Dianamar]

Ok so no kissies then ? lol :confused:


Flash isn't being mean (just expressive) and neither am I.

plus I'm married ;)

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;)

[Flash]

Thanks and true for both of us



Ok so no kissies then ? lol :confused:


Flash isn't being mean (just expressive) and neither am I.

plus I'm married ;)

[Cara]

This study wich looks at dopamine and opioid neurotransmission in behavioural addictions - Gambling and Binge Eating - was linked on Catherine Austin-Fitts website - The Solari Report - where she and her team weekly post links to articles in Money and Markets, Geopolitics, Science and Technology, Food and Health, Life, and Wildcards.

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Dopamine and Opioid Neurotransmission in Behavioral Addictions: A Comparative PET Study in Pathological Gambling and Binge Eating. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27882998)
Majuri J, Joutsa J, Johansson J, Voon V4, Alakurtti K, Parkkola R, Lahti T, Alho H, Hirvonen J, Arponen E, Forsback S, Kaasinen V.

Abstract
Although behavioral addictions share many clinical features with drug addictions, they show strikingly large variation in their behavioral phenotypes (such as in uncontrollable gambling or eating). Neurotransmitter function in behavioral addictions is poorly understood but has important implications in understanding its relationship with substance use disorders and underlying mechanisms of therapeutic efficacy. Here, we compare opioid and dopamine function between two behavioral addiction phenotypes: pathological gambling (PG) and binge eating disorder (BED). Thirty-nine participants (15 PG, 7 BED and 17 controls) were scanned with [11C]carfentanil and [18F]fluorodopa positron emission tomography using a high-resolution scanner. Binding potentials relative to non-displaceable binding (BPND) for [11C]carfentanil and influx rate constant (Ki) values for [18F]fluorodopa were analyzed with region-of-interest and whole-brain voxel-by-voxel analyses. BED subjects showed widespread reductions in [11C]carfentanil BPND in multiple subcortical and cortical brain regions and in striatal [18F]fluorodopa Ki compared with controls. In PG patients, [11C]carfentanil BPND was reduced in the anterior cingulate with no differences in [18F]fluorodopa Ki compared with controls. In the nucleus accumbens, a key region involved in reward processing, [11C]Carfentanil BPND was 30-34% lower and [18F]fluorodopa Ki was 20% lower in BED compared with PG and controls (p<0.002). BED and PG are thus dissociable as a function of dopaminergic and opioidergic neurotransmission. Compared with PG, BED patients show widespread losses of mu-opioid receptor availability together with presynaptic dopaminergic defects. These findings highlight the heterogeneity underlying the subtypes of addiction and indicate differential mechanisms in the expression of pathological behaviors and responses to treatment.

Neuropsychopharmacology accepted article preview online, 24 November 2016. doi:10.1038/npp.2016.265.

PMID:
27882998
DOI:
10.1038/npp.2016.265 (https://dx.doi.org/10.1038/npp.2016.265)

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Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27882998


Some definitions and info that I used to try to understand the above ...

Carfentanil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil) or carfentanyl (also known as 4-carbomethoxyfentanyl) is an analog of the synthetic opioid analgesic fentanyl. It was found to be four orders of magnitude or 10,000 times more potent than morphine, making it one of the most potent known and the most potent commercially used opioids.

Fluorodopa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorodopa), also known as FDOPA, is a fluorinated form of L-DOPA primarily synthesized as its fluorine-18 isotopologue for use as a radiotracer in positron emission tomography.[1] FD PET is a valid method for assessing the functional state of the nigrostriatal dopaminergic pathway. It is particularly useful for studies requiring repeated measures such as examinations of the course of a disease and the effect of treatment.

Positron emission tomography (PET) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography)[1] is a nuclear medicine, functional imaging technique that is used to observe metabolic processes in the body. The system detects pairs of gamma rays emitted indirectly by a positron-emitting radionuclide (tracer), which is introduced into the body on a biologically active molecule.

Anterior cingulate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cingulate_cortex) cortex
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Gray727_anterior_cingulate_cortex.png/250px-Gray727_anterior_cingulate_cortex.png

Opiod receptors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_receptor) are distributed widely in the brain, and are found in the spinal cord and digestive tract. ...By the mid-1960s, it had become apparent from pharmacologic studies that opiate drugs were likely to exert their actions at specific receptor sites, and that there were likely to be multiple such sites.

Mu-opiod receptors (μ)
Subtypes:μ1, μ2, μ3
Location:
1. brain
* cortex (laminae III and IV)
* thalamus
* striosomes
* periaqueductal gray
* rostral ventromedial medulla
2. spinal cord
* substantia gelatinosa
3. peripheral sensory neurons
4. intestinal tract

Function:
μ1:
* analgesia
* physical dependence
μ2:
* respiratory depression
* miosis
* euphoria
* reduced GI motility
* physical dependence
μ3:
* possible vasodilation

[TargeT]

Why does it seem that obese people have difficulty loosing weight?
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Diets, caloric restriction and fat loss function..
Very interesting short discussion about this topic:
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Nutrient deprivation (fasting) universally extends life across all biological models (with minor exceptions).

[Flash]

The answer: Akkermansia Muciniphila • Weight Loss Bacteria at Your Service

One of hundreds of articles published recently, researchs replicated many times and now research to raise the bacteria in culture or otherwise.

It has been found that out of the 2 kilos (5 pounds) of bacteria we carry in our bellie, slim people have on average 4% of Akkermansia Municiphilia bacteria. While fat people who cannot lose weights despite low calories diets have almost 0% of the given bacteria.

When, in studies, the sh t of slim people which contents 4% of the bacteria is transfered to those who cannot lose weight, a miracle happens: they lose weight naturally, without having to diet.

This bacteria is killed by antibiotics and of course many pesticides etc.

I was wondering why in Europe people are on average slim enough (although this is changing) and as soon as they move to Canada (my point of observation), they get fat, eating basically the same food they did eat in Europe (we find absolutely everything you can imagine in Montreal in terms of food). It takes a bare 7-10 years for women to get fat, and I have seen it again and again and again with Europeans coming in Canada.

The answer may be as simple as the destruction of their gut flora and consequently hormonal imbalance (hormones being helped by gut flora). Thanks to our very GMOed food (which was forbidden in Europe until recently) and many pesticides forbidden in Europe


https://www.probioticscenter.org/akkermansia-weight-loss/

Bacteria with the amazing ability to control body weight really exist!

In a paper dated May 13, 2013, researchers at the University of Louvain, Belgium concluded that the probiotic bacteria Akkermansia muciniphila has the amazing ability to promote weight loss in humans.

How Akkermansia controls obesity


Akkermansia muciniphila research
Research has revealed hundreds of probiotic bacteria residing in the gut. Akkermansia is particularly interesting because of its unique ability to control weight. [Image courtesy of Photokanok at FreeDigitalPhotos.net]
In healthy individuals, this particular species of probiotic bacteria, Akkermansia muciniphila, make up 3-5% among hundreds of other gut bacteria. Almost all humans have it–from infants to elderly ones. However, in obese people, the level of A. muciniphila bacteria for some reason drops sharply.

This raises the intriguing question: How would an obese body react if we were to add the A. muciniphila to the diet? Could one single bacteria strain promote significant weight loss? The answer is yes, it seems that probiotic bacteria and weight control go hand in hand.

Research has revealed hundreds of probiotic bacteria residing in the gut. Akkermansia is particularly interesting because of its unique ability to control weight

Until the bacteria can be grown in labs, ingesting complete high quality pre and probiotics, eating lots of fibers and

In the case of very low A. muciniphila levels, here are a few additional suggestions - What may help to enhance the reproduction of the few A bacteria remaining in your guts.
:
◦Add a high-quality probiotic supplement.
◦Lower intake of sugar, carbs, processed food
◦Increase consumption of healthy fats, fresh vegetables.
◦Mango is a superfruit promoting growth of gut bacteria.
◦Cranberry extract can alleviate intestinal inflammation and increase Akkermansia population.
◦Consume fermented vegetables, yoghurt, kefir, natto and other fermented foods (without sugar).
◦Fish oil increases the abundance of Akkermansia muciniphila in test animals, which indicates a connection.



All what Rogan's invitee says is right (low caloric intake) for people who do not have imbalance in their system, but wrong for durable long term weight reduction (I have seen so many people on caloric restriction for years, yet not losing weight).

The video you posted Target are ultra interesting, for longevity on one hand and for weight recuction on the other.

I knew personally that I got overweight for 2 reasons: antibiotics at 8, which made me chubby a little but not overweight, and then chronic stress for over 15 years were my cortisol levels were constantly through the roof.

Then menopause with lower levels of oestrogen and testosterone which makes it extra difficult to reduce my weight (I am obese, but not morbidly). And I do not eat more than most of my female friends.