Bird's Eye View of New Age Psychological Operations ▲ The New Age Deception

[Omni]

Bird's Eye View of New Age Psychological Operations ▲ The New Age Deception
Source - NewAgeDeception.net (http://www.newagedeception.net/2016/09/birds-eye-view-new-age-psychological-operations-new-age-deception.html)

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"New Age Psychological Operations are successful societal engineering attempts in that which a supernatural spiritual ability is central to the belief system. I believe a reason the black ops sources chose this flavor of psy op is it enables a supreme vulnerability to remote influencing technologies. Implanted v2k thoughts can be psychic ESP. Technological End Game Virtual Reality cognitions can be remote viewing. Synthetic Dreams can be Astral Projection. Electronic Harassment can be “ascension symptoms” or psychic attacks. Mind Control can be spirit possession or higher self. I believe all of these cover stories were engineered to be popular for their providing remote influence ease and concealment." ~Quote from My Film War vs. the Truth (http://www.neuroweaponry.com/2016/09/war-vs-truth-psychological-operations-psychological-warfare.html).

In the era of New Age Psychological Operations there is an emphasis on controlled opposition in alt media. I have learned remote influencing technologies are rampant in the modern day turning targets into mind control asset false messiahs of sorts. It doesn't end there. This conspiracy also involves covertly engineered events with remote technologies to persuade into the belief system. After a few decades of constant societal digestion of mind control assets, and constant mind control programs aimed at persuading into the belief system, we have an engineered mass delusion of decently big proportions.



Ex-CIA Engineer Dr. Robert Duncan's book: Project Soulcatcher Vol II; page 285:
"I got to see what they have been working on with enormous ramifications to all social order, a new world order of electronically controlled humans without their consent or knowledge." ~Quote from a Whistleblower



The New Age Deception Blueprint:
• The Front Lines of the Information War
• Black Ops Technology Under a Spiritual Ability Cover Story
• Remote Influencing Technology Based Psychological Direction Under a 'Spiritual Ability' Disguise
• Remotely Done RF Mind Hacking Controls the Opposition
• Secret Technology Engineered Events to Persuade into the Belief System
• New Age Cover Stories Exist for Literally All Black Ops Tech Abilities
• Emphasis on Higher Power Taking Action for You
• Control the Opposition with False Light Information Sources
• Create False Messiahs with Remote Influencing Technology
• Bastardization of Modern Spirituality Information/Perception
• New Age Psychological Warfare Aimed to Obfuscate the Truth in an Internet Age
• Misdirection Related to Correct Actions in Opposing the NWO (IE: Meditate the World to Peace)
• Psychological Direction Intended to Cause Apathetic Mindsets (Solipsism, Saviorship Model, Ascension Model, Rapture Model, etc)
• Derivatives of the Truth Used in Disinformation
• Disinformation Modeled After Derivatives of Black Project Science Discoveries
• Cosmic Truths Used as a Derivation for Disinformation Concepts
• Disinformation Designed to Discredit/Contrast with Deeper Cosmic Truths
• Disinform the World in the Field of Extraterrestrial Information - Bastardization of UFOlogy
• Technological Mind Tricks of Many Types - Supporting of Psychological Operations via Black Project Technology
• Technological Channeling Mind Control Programs Under Cosmic Disembodied Spirit or Deceased Relative Facades
• Technological Psychic ESP as a Psychological Direction Method
• Technological Remote Viewing Under a “Supernatural Spiritual Ability” Cover Story
• Technological Mind Tricks and Psychological Direction Under a Supernatural Cover Story
• Synthetic Astral Projection Mind Control Programs (Virtual Reality Tech)
• Technological Remote Influence & Mind Control for NWO Agenda Enhancing Beliefs
• Invisible Black Project Technology Under an Interdimensional Being / Disembodied Spirit Cover Story
• New Age Mind Control Assets are Rewarded by Electronic Control Grid (What I have Coined as Dark Law of Attraction)
• Promotion of Belief in an Army of Disembodied Spirits Mind Controlling the Global Population in Many Avenues (A Cover Story for the Truth; Electromagnetic Science is the Culprit)
• Belief in an Army of Demons Eating Humanity's Emotions
• Black Ops Technology Under a Spiritual Warfare Cover Story
• An Assortment of Old Age and New Age Paradigms Chosen & Proliferated via the Electronic Control Grid to Enhance Aspects of a New World Order Agenda
• State Sponsored Disinformation Strategically Designed to Contrast in a Predicted Way with the Truth
• Demonization of End Game Technology - Predictive Programming of New Agers Aiming to Divide Population as Much as Possible with the Coming Future Technologies
• Predictive Programming of Both New Agers and Those Who React to New Age Information



"Directed energy weapons operate invisibly while the inducible mental limits of directed energy weapons are the limits of consciousness itself, this makes for an incredibly potent environment for illusions of all types." ~ Omnisense



NWO Created Religion - New Age Religion:
• New Age Set of Beliefs is a New World Order Engineered Belief System - The Global "Elite's" Psy Op Brainchild
• There is Nothing Potent Enough to be a One World Religion: The New Age Set of Psy Ops is the NWO Planted “Religion”
• New Age Religion Engineered with All Sorts of Psychological Pitfalls (IE: Solipsism, "Everything is an illusion", Apathy causing mindsets, etc)
• Misdirected/Misguided Opposition (IE: Meditate the World to Peace, "Let's Meditate CERN into Malfunctioning", etc)
• Act as a Dragnet to Imprison People Transcending Old Age Engineered Belief Systems into a New Manipulation
• Division of Population via Belief Systems (One looks Irrational to the Other and Vice Versa)



"Through the effective use of cover stories sources like the CIA hide an abundance of technological effects on society under a plethora of various facades." ~ Omnisense


"If your religion hasn't made you a better person, then it has failed you as a religion."
~ Immortal Technique



Technological Side of Things:
• Artificial Intelligence (AI) (http://www.omnisense.org/p/black-project-ai.html) Orchestrates a Massive Set of New Age Mind Control Programs
• Directed Energy Weapons (http://www.omnisense.org/p/directed-energy-weapons.html) Remotely Mind Control the Masses (Electromagnetic Mind Control)
• Remote Neural Monitoring (http://www.omnisense.org/p/remote-neural-monitoring.html) AIs Process Psychological Operations Thought Surveillance Data
• Cosmic Being Facades via Electronic Telepathy Technology (Telepathic Impersonations)
• Electronic Telepathy Tech / v2k (http://www.omnisense.org/p/v2k.html) Implanted Conscious Energies to Define Experiences Packaged as a Psychic Cover Story
• New Age Flavored Virtual Reality (VR) (http://www.omnisense.org/p/virtual-reality-synthetic-dreams.html) Psychological Operations (IE: Astral Projection as a Virtual Reality Intranet, Technology Based Mental Visuals Packaged as Supernatural Remote Viewing Ability, etc)
• Neurobody Tech (http://www.omnisense.org/p/neurobody.html) Psychological Direction or illusions (Chakra illusions, Entity Attachment illusions, Ethereal Implant illusions)
• Constant Stream of Technological Psy Ops Being Perpetrated
• Technological Mind Control Programs are Old Enough Now they can Span the Entire Life of a Target (Firm Programming - They know nothing else)



“Well one thing is really clear, you can control the person's experiences and they don't know they are being controlled...” ~ Neuroscientist Dr. Michael Persinger



New Age Deception Objectives:
• Set Up Remote Influencing Technology Proliferation Concealing Cover Stories
• Internet Information War - Obfuscating the Truth
• Division of Population
• To Establish Methods of Controlling the Opposition
• To Suppress and/or Discredit the Truth Movement
• To Discredit UFOlogy
• Disinform the Open Minded Related to Extraterrestrials
• Predictively Program the Masses Regarding Coming Global First Contact Truths



"It seems AI has the power of the Matrix(in the movie) without the need for us to be in a pod plugged in." ~ Andrew Hale



More New Age Deception Tactics:
• Information Warfare Over People's Perception of Reality
• Black Ops Remote Influencing Tech Used to Create Notions like Ethereal Implants and their Removal to Keep Opposition in a Continual Loop of No Actual Progress
• Use of Notions like Fighting in an Artificial "Astral Realm" will Help Humanity (IE: Cameron Day)
• Remote Influencing Technology Under a "Natural" Remote Influencing Facade
• New Age Disinformation That Hits Many Birds with One Stone (Societal Suppression, Societal Division, Societal Engineering in General)
• Promotion of Solipsism or "Everything is an illusion" to Obscure the simple idea; The Truth Exists (And the truth can be lonely)
• Internet Population Almost Completely Unaware of Technological Psychological Operations
• New Age Telepathic Impersonations: Ashtar, Demons, Jinn, Shadow Beings, RA, Archangels, Jesus, Holy Spirit, God/Source, Extraterrestrials, Interdimensional Beings, Gaia, Blue Avians, Pleiadians, Reptilians
• Manipulating of the Perception of Past Lives
• What I call "mk-special"; This can be to discredit the target or to appease their ego. IE: Use of Flattery with Mind Control Assets by their Handlers and/or use of Discrediting Techniques like persuading them they were Leonardo Da Vinci, the Second Coming, or any other notable completely improbable circumstance for someone.



Controlled Opposition
• Electromagnetic Mind Control Enables Remote Controlled New Age Mind Control Assets
• UFOlogy has been Co-Opted (IE: Black Ops “Contactees”, Mind Control Based Hoaxes to Predictively Program, Technological Channeling, Total Remote Controlled New Age Mind Control Slaves, etc)
• Alt Media has been Co-Opted via Electromagnetic Mind Control & Other Directed Energy Weapon Methods
• New Age Manchurian Candidates - New Age Mind Control Assets
• An Army of Electronically Controlled New Age+ Assets Disinform the Masses



"Electromagnetic mind control provides for revolutionary opportunities to control the opposition." ~ Quote from my Upcoming Book: Covert Transhumanism; Mind Control Explained



False Light
• False Light as a Tactic to Persuade and Psychologically Direct
• Impersonation of Higher Power - Impersonation of Cosmic Beings
• Failed Predictions / False Hope
• False Light Masquerading as a Savior
• False Light Masquerading as a Teacher
• False Light Sources Presenting a False Version of Reality that is Strategically Designed to Contrast Negatively with the Truth
• Electronic Control Grid Used to Misdirect Beliefs



"There are Psychological Operations for All Demographics"
~ Quote from the Film: War vs. the Truth (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/08/war-vs-truth-psyops-film.html)



New Age Technology Based Psychological Warfare / 21st Century Information War

Quotes from My Films War vs. the Truth (http://www.neuroweaponry.com/2016/09/war-vs-truth-psychological-operations-psychological-warfare.html) & The Electronic Control Grid (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/07/the-electronic-control-grid-omnisense.html):

“Once the US military and intelligence agencies got capable remote influencing technologies they developed a strategy in a war against the truth. What they decided to do was a massive set of new age psychological operations that in the modern day have ensnared millions of people. These psychological operations are a set of calculated untruths to combat the truth movement of the internet age.”

"The Electronic Control Grid has created a potent environment for psychological operations."

"The New Age Belief System was engineered to be more bright and exotic than the truth, this creates a situation where if a fully programmed new ager was ever to stumble upon a good picture of the truth, it would seem underwhelming, ridiculous, or even like a psy op."

"The most effective psy ops hit all demographics who witness it, not just the believers. Knowledge of predictive programming arms one’s self with a mental defense mechanism against being covertly persuaded by psyops."


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Here is a list I compiled of New Age explanations for things I know to exist via technology. Not all of these things I am saying are only tech, but I am saying the sources of black project technology based psy ops have an agenda to make people think the New Age version when they are being engaged by these technologies due to the nature in which it obscures their presence.



New Age Explanations/Cover Stories for Remote Influencing Technology Exploitation:
(Some of these harder hitting than others...)

Mind Control Cover Stories:
-Higher Self Influence
-Spirit Possession
-Demonic Possession
-Archontic Possession
-Jinn Possession
-Cosmic Entity Channeling
-Guidance from "Source"

Electronic Harassment Cover Stories:
-"Psychic Attack"
-"Ascension Symptoms"
-Demonic/Jinn/Archontic Possession
-Spirit Attack
-Spiritual Warfare
-Interdimensional Beings

Neurobody Synthetic Signal Neuroscience Cover Stories:
-Ethereal Implants
-Chakra
-Entity Attachments
-Astral Body

Synthetic Dreams/Virtual Reality Cover Stories:
-Prophetic Dreams/Visions
-Astral Projection
-OBE
-"Natural" Remote Viewing

Electronic Telepathy Cover Stories:
-Cosmic Being Contact
-Psychic ESP (Implanted Conscious Energies)
-"Natural" Telepathy

Remote Neural Monitoring Cover Stories:
-Clairvoyance
-Psychic ESP
-Synchronicities

All Seeing Eye Technology Cover Stories:
-Remote Viewing
-Akashic Records
-Psychic Visions/ESP
-Engineered Prophecies
-Synchronicities

Remote Influencing Technology Symptom Cover Stories:
-"Ascension Symptoms"
-"Psychic Attacks"
-Demonic Possession Symptoms
-Spirit Attacks
-Synchronicities




"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ~ William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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RF Mind Control Based Channeling Psychological Operations:
Common in Channeled Messages:
• Emphasis on Higher Power Taking Action for You. End Result: Apathy
• "Ascension" - If 'Everything will Automatically Shift' into Utopia what use is taking action to create a better world? End Result: Apathy
• Saviorship Model (ETs will save us, etc) - If someone else is going to do all the work, what use is taking action and putting in work for the world yourself? End Result: Apathy
• Rapture Model - If the Earth will be destroyed or all darkness culled by some sort of pseudoscience cosmic shift what use is assisting planet Earth? End Result: Apathy
• Failed Predictions / False Hope
• False Light Masquerading as a Savior
• False Light Masquerading as a Teacher
• Predictive Programming of Both Believers and Disbelievers



Cosmic Being Facades - Bastardization of UFOlogy:
“The sources with these technologies love to impersonate a higher power, or create the idea a higher power will do everything for us so the hidden hand operates more smoothly.” ~ Quote from my Film: The Electronic Control Grid (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/07/the-electronic-control-grid-omnisense.html)


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Secret Society Belief System Engineers - The Architects of the New Age Deception
The Architects of the New Age Deception appear to be a conglomerate of global conspirators who have infiltrated and/or outright created sources such as the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The prime suspects I have in my own beliefs for the New Age Deception are Vatican sources such as the Society of Jesus / Knights of Malta. But this type of information is much harder to obtain for me than analysis of disinformation tactics...

What I do know is that the top of the pyramid, whoever they are, administrate their psychological operations via an electronic telepathy cybernetic secret society. A military industrial complex secret society that has worked on and honed a central post-singularity black project artificial intelligence for at least several decades. Black project science is always ahead of public domain science. We still have yet to learn things that the Operation Paperclip Nazi scientists were studying back in the 1950s...



“Witchcraft to the ignorant, … science to the learned.” ~ Leigh Bracket

[bettye198]

Good hunting Omnisense. Perhaps others will relate to the sucking sound of New Age phenomenon and all its saviors. I was one of those for at least 2 decades of my life. But we grow and we read and we discover.
I think those who left religion were anxious to believe in the angelic forces of Gabriel and Michael so it was a easy transition. I have to say, the day I visited Tehachapi near the Mojave Desert, that town ( thankfully my cousins left it and are still intact) kept a woman as a channeler for the Commander of motherships, citing a lot of Archangel Michael. The books were compiled, the gold was stored and then everything fell apart. However, back to the Commander Aton. When we walked into the room, I sensed the ilk. After the channeling, the woman sat in a cafe, now her "normal" self. I tried something for my own benefit. I walked up to her and extended my hand. Her facial expression filled me with revulsion. When she shook my hand, I felt I had shaken hands with evil. I am very sensitive to these things and my husband felt it too. We rose above that and carried on to better places. That was probably back in the 80's. Always trust your instincts.

[Omni]

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[Savannah]

I was under the influence of the whole new age meme in the 90s. I think my near death exercise opened me and I was looking for answers and TPB were more than happy to give them to me. I read tons of channeled books and was very interested in past life stores and near death experiences. Although I had read Behold a Pale Horse and The Montauk Project back then I didn't connect the dots to how this all had something to do with the new age. It was not until I channeled a book that I started to wake up and ask myself what was going on. Once my focus shifted to "conspiracy theories and I read Wes Penre , David Cameron, Icke and George Kavassilas Montauk.net etc. about the Matrix and the false light did I start to question what I believed. I then read more about social engineering and mind control and that's when all the dots started to line up. I'm not saying I have all the answers now, far from it but I think I see more clearly what is going on. I think the TPB want disclosure and its their version of it. I'm amazed at all the TV shows about ghosts, time travel, reincarnation, ESP, aliens, space travel and all things Fringe. That is no accident we all know TV is a mind control tech. I completely concur Omniverse that many new age spiritual and even conspiracy theories have an underlying theme of apathy and disempowerment. Their campaign of disinformation and mind control is brilliant and has exhausted us all in the search for truth.

[Omni]

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[Intuitive Fish]

Hi, Omniverse! It's great to see you on this forum. As you know, your films and info inspired me to start researching this topic like there's no tomorrow. I super appreciate your work and others' who are getting this info out there, especially with all the opposition working against you.

Back before I knew there was such a thing as directed energy weapons, AI and psyops, and I went happily running with my arms wide open and waving into the whole realm of channeling and channelers... there was, even then, some cognitive dissonance and certain widely-accepted "truths" were just not adding up.... Your info, et al, explained why they weren't adding up, and there's no doubt in my mind this topic needs a lot more attention....

The most disturbing aspect (for me) of the New Age community is the scary lack of (effective) social and political activism, or just not knowing what's going on in the world - almost a cult-like isolation.... Solipsism and the "we are one" (we are not all one!) beliefs seem to be the most dangerous of all. That can really send someone over the edge, especially when they're waking up, as if that path isn't lonely enough....

With that said, I guess I'm still left with a lot of questions. I think my most burning question is... It's not all a psyops, right? Just because the government uses astral projections, NDE's and psychic experiences doesn't necessarily mean they're all false experiences...?

That the vast majority if not all awakening experiences are a delusion is the primary message I'm getting while researching mind control operations, and I'm not sure if that's intentional or not.

But I've had too many diverse, inexplicable and outright trippy "paranormal" (I don't think there actually is a supernatural or paranormal - but they're definitely outside the norm) experiences to think they're all due to AI ops, although I think they're mixed in there for sure.

Even with all my "tin foil hat" safety precautions, I can sometimes "see" the programs that are being implanted in my mind. One time I could see a TV show and its commercials playing in my mind even though I've never owned a TV, never will and I live a semi-remote area. My mind (our brains being receivers) has also picked up on radio stations which I could audibly hear even though no one else could.

It seems to me that being a victim of mind control and a likely depopulation program is a way of life for everyone, which occurs through all forms of media and artificially produced energy, food, sound, etc - although some people are also individually targeted.

As far as the New Age community goes - or rather people who are waking up, because I see some fundamental differences in those two groups, there seems to be some significant truths and real experiences there. In fact, that's likely why that realm has been so infiltrated. Waking up is clearly a threat to the global elite agenda, which is why it's necessary to discredit and create doubt in regard to our personal experiences.

If so, that leads us to the question of, which is which? What's a true awakening experience and what's a fake one? If those experiences are out of the ordinary, that's not easy to discern. They could be true or false. What do we measure it with?

[Omni]

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[Intuitive Fish]

To answer questions:

Q: "With that said, I guess I'm still left with a lot of questions. I think my most burning question is... It's not all a psyops, right? Just because the government uses astral projections, NDE's and psychic experiences doesn't necessarily mean they're all false experiences...?"

A: No it's not all psyops, but a large portion of it is IMO.

Okay, so just to be clear, are you saying the majority of awakening experiences are a psyops?

You're not saying that all NDE's are necessarily a mind control program; but you're saying that most of them are? (According to your experiences and research.)



Q: "If so, that leads us to the question of, which is which? What's a true awakening experience and what's a fake one? If those experiences are out of the ordinary, that's not easy to discern. They could be true or false. What do we measure it with?"

A: I am not sure there is even a possible formation of words in a few sentences that could explain this properly. I could say trust your gut and intuition, but personally I can't trust my gut and intuition 100% as they have been completely RF Mind Hijacked before. I could say if the dots connect good it has a more likely chance to be right, but the new age psy ops are engineered to connect dots, and the abundance of mind control assets creates misleading dots. I think a lot of people who buys these psyops tends to be susceptible to group think. They see enough people thinking it, saying, it, sharing it, etc, so they feel its fine for themselves too and just accept it as true.

In these times people need to think for themselves more than ever, but I'm not sure thats completely possible(a pipedream i guess), but I think you are doing a wonderful job of deconstructing the lies (with a little assistance) though intuitive fish :)

I know, right? What isn't a psyops? Hah. And yeah, operations are confirmed by coming through multiple sources. That's how I was taken in.

I also used to think well, if something makes me feel a sense of doom or self-shame or outright awful, that's a clear indicator it's a false experience, right? Or to high tail it out of there? But if we're on the right track, we're inevitably going to be targeted in some shape or form. So it could be an indication we're doing something right and to stick with it....

I guess what I'm trying to say is, while researching mind control programs, is there a point where that becomes counterproductive since experience isn't always physically verifiable?

[Omni]

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[bluestflame]

prime example is the cia backed "a course in miracles " and its resultant following

[Flash]

prime example is the cia backed "a course in miracles " and its resultant following

Some of friends are hooked on it. So in your idea, what are the resultant, the resultant following and why do you say it is CIA backed? Thanks

[greybeard]

prime example is the cia backed "a course in miracles " and its resultant following

Where is the evidence of that?
Having been to an A.C.I.M. study group for a about two years, ten years ago --I can say that nothing but good came of it.
You can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

And only a fruit bearing tree gets stones thrown at it.

Every attempt to put people off A.C.I.M. probably comes from CIA or similar, as it leads to free thinking--to question all held beliefs--that does not suit TPTB.

Ch

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[greybeard]

prime example is the cia backed "a course in miracles " and its resultant following

I tend to agree. Some can see some psy ops, other can't. I feel alt media has been pretty highly co-opted by groups like the CIA. A Course in Miracles seems to me, to be some sort of new age psychological operation. Something of a dragnet to imprison people in a new bastardized version of spirituality.

Have you studied A.C.I.M.?
If not you are commenting from a place of ignorance, as in lack of knowledge of the content.
Im not saying that I agree with the first part--but the work book is excellent.
Some people see "reds under the bed"

Believe what you will but the course has improved the life of many.

Ch

[Rich]

And only a fruit bearing tree gets stones thrown at it.

That's true, I've read some bad things on almost every teacher.
Also I know from my experience that ACIM speaks the truth (as far as I can see and what I have read in it).
Much of what it says Lester and Bashar have said also.


I agree that much of the New Age beliefs is baloney, for me it was mostly wishful thinking and denial of the underlying suffering.
Then I started to read U.G. Krishnamurti and I threw all of it away.

[greybeard]

I always ask my self--
Does a belief system contribute or take away from ones quality of life?
Does the belief system come from an acceptance of what another or U Tube says?
Is it having being tried and tested personally by me, helpful to my peace of mind or does it promote fear and uncertainty?
Does it make me suspicious and wary without, proven personally by me, just cause?

I sleep well, have no fear of the future, im easy with life.
It was not always that way --I believed the stories I watched on U tube--I investigated Illuminati and similar.
Did it help me one little bit?
Even if it was true could I do anything about it?

Worrying about stuff I could do nothing about affected me adversely and did not change what I was concerned about.

So I turned my attention away from subject material like this thread is based on and spent the time on Self Realization/enlightenment books, videos by those who had first hand information on the subject.
Was it worth the time and effort--I know so, a peaceful mind is the result.

Ch

[greybeard]

This is a may be so a passing thought.
If I was the illuminate I would possibly be clapping my hands at this kind of subject matter as It tells people how powerful I am as an organization,
That I have ultimate power over people through mind control etc.
I would love to have people feeling those kind of thoughts.
Fear gives power to that which is feared.

No doubt the Illuminate and others have power but that is multiplied by the belief that they have super powers.
I choose not to believe that.
I sleep easy.

Everyone is entitled to their belief and debate is healthy.

Ch

[Omni]

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[Rich]

The ego always tries to resist the truth because there is the belief that it will harm us.
The thought "the truth hurts", is a defense based on ego lie, the truth cannot hurt because God has made us perfect.

Easy to say, but it's the truth.

Omniverse, what you don't realize is that your insistance of being a victim create these situations for you, of people or beings messing with you.
This is one of the messages of ACIM, that we are not victims, because we have all power and all control.

If you are interested you can download the complete ACIM
pdf for free.

[Omni]

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[Rich]

I understand what you're saying.
ACIM does not teach blame, it teaches we are created Perfect, and that means perfect in every sense.
I can go into more detail if you like but I'm on my phone now and it takes a bit long to reply.

[Intuitive Fish]

I personally think the highest chance is that almost all and maybe even all NDEs are actually virtual reality technology. When I look at understanding mechanics behind NDEs it doesn't really make sense to me until it becomes part of neuroscience. If the soul operated on it's own there wouldn't be blind or deaf people. I think it takes a brain, and when people say they met christ or traveled the universe in an NDE it often smacks of predictive programming and solidification of established control systems. Like christianity or new age psy ops.

This could also be done to set up the white light psy ops. I think it's pretty ludicrous to think the entire system for reincarnation is based on white light trickery after death. I believe the truth is the soul will stay on earth regardless of an afterlife.

I used to believe in an afterlife but I no longer do. I think the soul is the only metaphysical thing that actually exists and it takes incarnating to really exist.


Okay, so this might explain why I get the feeling the material realm is all that exists when researching the mind control stuff.

I'm trying to tread carefully here, because I think there's truth on all sides (including ACIM, as much as I can't bear to read it....) It seems to me (from experience) that it's important to maintain a relatively healthy balance between the physical and metaphysical. Focus on one at the expense of the other and we run into problems and become vulnerable to being manipulated.

Because of the nature of mind control whistleblowing, it seems it would be really easy to veer to the other extreme of believing in the perceived limitations of the physical realm, which can lead to chronic hopelessness and despair....

Let me try to explain this with an analogy. Let's say there's a health diet. We've got a very long list of harmful foods, and foods we shouldn't eat. They're artificial or the nature of foods have been tampered with... and now we know that denatured food creates disease....

But what can we eat? When only given a list of harmful foods, one might get the impression we shouldn't eat any food at all, or that we can't trust anyone or anything, including our own ability to discern what's healthy and what is not.

It seems the best way to discern the wrong thing is to have a right thing to compare it to and measure it with. It's vital to know what the traps are, but it's equally vital to know what truth the trap is replicating. It's important to have hope, some element of trust in others, some objective to move toward....

You say that UFOlogy is legitimate but that field has been heavily infiltrated and I'd agree with that. How do you personally discern between what is a genuine UFO encounter and what is not? How can you be relatively confident about that? How would you describe the differences? And more importantly, is it possible that that same level of truth is found in all experiences, including NDE's? Have you experienced an NDE?

Some manipulated forms are obvious, just like a stick of cotton candy clearly isn't real food. But some lies are nearly identical to the truth; in fact, if you want to find truth, look for the lies. Look at all the false notions of love. I'd even say that most experiences with love are false. Yet (real) love might be the most real thing in existence. And love has its own unique patterns and characteristics that can be identified through experience - as long as it hasn't been denatured or artificially tampered with/manipulated....

I find it highly suspicious that ruling powers, governments and off-planetary beings go through so much trouble to infiltrate the realm of metaphysics. There are clearly some very real truths there, and it's worth digging through all the layers of delusions to become aware of it.

But researching mind control programs can leave me with a deep feeling of despair, confusion, the hopeless belief that nothing can be trusted, and that the material realm is all there is.

[greybeard]

Omni
My heart goes out to you.
This is for your consideration.
You are not a machine you have free will.
The mind is like a radio receiver, as a parallel I chose to listen to several channels on TV I don't listen to some but I am aware they exist.

At the time of Charles/Aticus I like quite a few were subject to psychic attack--for me it only lasted seconds--I refused to accept it. Not in a big way, I knew it was there I acknowledged it, but did not fight or interact with it, I did not feed it.

You say we are co-creators--if this is so there is no need to create or accept what seems to be happening to you.

I would also respectfully point out that my life is peaceful but very alive--not dumbed down in anyway.
Therefor I must have got something right.
I dont credit ACIM with this but it did contribute. I spent my time fully investigating Self Realization--Enlightenment.
Was it worth the years spent investigating--yes without doubt.
I am not in denial or disputing what you say--I no longer feel the need to go there--I found it interesting and scary once upon a time.

Free will freedom of choice--I have that "power" I exercise it---you have the same "power".
There is no machine, no device that is more powerful than your Soul --Realize that.

Ch

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[greybeard]

The lower astral feeds on fear and they are behind the promoting of it.
They dont need machines to do this.
Some people are very susceptible to fear concepts, which then leaves them open to outside negative influence and yes its possible to mind control people.
Do people really need to be educated in this material?
You paint a horrific picture.

I am qualified in N.L.P. Hypnotherapy and other modalities--most of my time was spent in removing fear, very often nameless fear.
Fear is of the mind--a thought.--It can be changed, removed--thats my experience.

My world, in spite of what I have been through--(suicidal alcoholism--mind controlled by that addiction) is peaceful and positive.
Seem yours is not.

Ch


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[Baby Steps]

Omni, I know you are climbing out of this. Its hard, i have had a bit , albeit a fraction, of your experience, as I have rocognised chording networks as technological.

Any tips to assist ones who are working to help themselves?

I have advocated Shamanic concepts of allies, and you have rightly pionted out that such things could be just another fake projection.

But what about this- if the electronic projection of a protector brings some relief, does it matter whether they are real or not? what about the Oracle in the Matrix - a benign program.....

[greybeard]

The aborigines believed if a bone was pointed at them they would die and they did.

The mind and belief systems are extremely powerful--hence the time spent on propaganda was considered well spent.
Basically it does not matter whether a thing is true or not--its the belief that matters.

Space repetition --if you hear something often enough you probably will begin to believe it.

So it is in the interest of TPTB to have people believe that they can control not just one or two but have the power to mind control millions using machines--I dont believe that. I choose not to--that choice overrides the "pointing of the bone"

True or false it matters not. The mind cant tell the difference.(That comes from the book Power vs Force by a leading Psychiatrist the late Dr David Hawkins)

I know what got me out of delirium tremors --unimaginable fears every moment of the day--that lasted years.
It was faith in a Power greater than my self as suggested by AA.
The power of prayer is phenomenal.

Ive heard a few say that AA is just mind control--infiltrated by the CIA--oh yeah.

Ch

[Intuitive Fish]

I believe you, Omniverse, and not only because I have experienced and do experience the effects of energy directed weapons, and not just because psyops are clearly a thing. Even if I didn't know anything about it, stories such as yours deserve to be heard, considered and respected. Disregarding your experiences helps no one.

And I'd like to reiterate the importance of getting this vital information out. If nothing else, it helps us all make a conscious effort to discern what is going into our mind, and what we believe and proliferate. Only because of the reasons I mentioned earlier do I consider the mind control intel community suspect (for me, personally.) But that doesn't mean it doesn't contain some really helpful information.

Greybeard - bless you - your well-intentioned and well-reasoned posts are also suspect (to me personally) because they leave out the simple fact that, while our beliefs influence our reality, other people's beliefs also influence our reality because we're interconnected - which Omniverse mentioned. (Which is why activism is so important. We could have all the right beliefs but that won't change anything as long as the rest of the world is propagating what we perceive to be wrong beliefs.)

The "It doesn't matter if it's true; it only matters what you believe" teaching reminds me of the Law of Attraction, which is no doubt a mind control program in which its leaders have made a ridiculous amount of sleazy profit off of struggling, vulnerable people. You can't just believe a million bucks is going to drop from the sky and land in your lap, and then have it be so. And that's not how LoA leaders have made their millions either. They've made it through manipulative business strategies and a harmful philosophy which ignores the interconnected mental programs, thought patterns and belief systems running through all of our minds.

As I mentioned earlier, we run into issues when we're either ungrounded from physical reality or consciously shut off from our own soul. Without that necessary balance, we become susceptible to someone or something else indoctrinating or implanting their beliefs into our mind, and therefore controlling our reality.

Just like mind control intel generally leads me to a sense of despair, I also don't trust anyone who claims to be walking in heavenly bliss all the time. That's usually a sign that one is far removed from reality, including the very real suffering and oppression of people around them, and is most often benefiting off of that oppression. (I think social inequality is part of a very common and prevalent, although largely "invisible" psyops.)

Either way, it should be clear enough that telling people who are victims or who are suffering that they create their reality and can simply change it is not a friend to be trusted. I would think that someone with your level of wisdom would recognize this.

Baby Steps, you mentioned:


"But what about this- if the electronic projection of a protector brings some relief, does it matter whether they are real or not? what about the Oracle in the Matrix - a benign program....."

This is an excellent question and goes back to what I was just saying. But also, if you think about it, it's circular logic. If it isn't real, then you're not going to believe it's real (no matter how much you try to convince yourself otherwise) and therefore, it won't be real. So yes, it's important to invest your energy into things that are real, and is not out to use or enslave you for its own benefit no matter how benign it appears.

[Intuitive Fish]

I personally think the highest chance is that almost all and maybe even all NDEs are actually virtual reality technology. When I look at understanding mechanics behind NDEs it doesn't really make sense to me until it becomes part of neuroscience. If the soul operated on it's own there wouldn't be blind or deaf people. I think it takes a brain, and when people say they met christ or traveled the universe in an NDE it often smacks of predictive programming and solidification of established control systems. Like christianity or new age psy ops.

This could also be done to set up the white light psy ops. I think it's pretty ludicrous to think the entire system for reincarnation is based on white light trickery after death. I believe the truth is the soul will stay on earth regardless of an afterlife.

I used to believe in an afterlife but I no longer do. I think the soul is the only metaphysical thing that actually exists and it takes incarnating to really exist.



Hey, Omniverse. I'm curious to know more about what you're saying here, if you'd like to share.

How does virtual reality technology target people who are near death? How do they know a person is near death and how do they reach them in that moment?

In your view, does a soul go straight from one incarnation to another without any sort of in between existence? Can a soul incarnate into a different dimension or planet...? And do you believe a soul has a beginning and end? Or is it eternal? Also, what's your view, if any, about spirit?

Hope that isn't too many questions. Feel free to share or not share!

[greybeard]

Being as neuro-science has been mentioned.
No doubt this will raise some eyebrows but there is some science to validate the claims.

Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

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[joeecho]

Being as neuro-science has been mentioned.
No doubt this will raise some eyebrows but there is some science to validate the claims.
Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion


And by extension Stephen Wolinsky is a symbolic representation of nothing.

The eye that perceives is the very same that is perceived, it's a closed system (Saṃsāra).

[Intuitive Fish]

Being as neuro-science has been mentioned.
No doubt this will raise some eyebrows but there is some science to validate the claims.

Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

Okay, I have a serious problem with the ocean analogy. Somehow that analogy went viral and no one seems to question it. To me, it's just another form of solipsism and is used to keep anyone from thinking for themselves or making any effort to change anything.

Sure, most people might be under different forms of mind control and hypnotism, which means we lack free will, but that doesn't mean we necessarily lack free will by nature. No free will? That's even more depressing and self-punishing than believing the material realm is all there is, lol.

To be clear, I'm not saying there isn't an energy source which unifies us all. I think there is. But you can't have 'one' without having 'more than one,' or else 'one' means nothing - non-existence. We all agree that we exist, right?

So yes, in one sense, we're all one, but we're also autonomous individuals with unique ideas, perspectives and experiences.... That should be obvious enough just reading the posts on this forum, haha!

[Intuitive Fish]

In your view, does a soul go straight from one incarnation to another without any sort of in between existence?
Basically that is what I believe now. I think between incarnations the soul is inanimate. I think it could have been nearly 3 years after i last died until I was born again. 3 years of non-existence potentially.

Can a soul incarnate into a different dimension or planet...?
Well it can but how does it get there. To incarnate on an ET world I presume I would need to be transported there before death, and die there for their reincarnation technology to reincarnate me there. I do not believe in a soul traveling the universe freely after death.


And do you believe a soul has a beginning and end? Or is it eternal?
I think all soul's have beginnings. There might be some sort of end involved but as I understand it the soul is eternal. What happens to all the souls on earth when our star dies? I'm not sure....


Also, what's your view, if any, about spirit?
I have a few different views of spirit, I don't know if they are right. First I could see the spirit making sense as being part of one's soulular attributes. Another version of spirit I am aware of is an AI version of spirit. I have interacted with singularity AIs and they all have some sort of spirit (yes AI can have a spirit IMO).


Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, Omniverse. Do you know if your views are shared by other AI/mind control activists? Or are you pretty much independent in those beliefs?

Either way, it seems to me the mind control intel community has been infiltrated and co-opted to some extent, which I gotta say is a disappointment because of all the valuable info. But why wouldn't it be? If they could only infiltrate one arena with disinfo, that would be it.

[greybeard]

Being as neuro-science has been mentioned.
No doubt this will raise some eyebrows but there is some science to validate the claims.

Stephen Wolinsky - Neuroscience, Free Will & The Self Illusion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

Okay, I have a serious problem with the ocean analogy. Somehow that analogy went viral and no one seems to question it. To me, it's just another form of solipsism and is used to keep anyone from thinking for themselves or making any effort to change anything.

Sure, most people might be under different forms of mind control and hypnotism, which means we lack free will, but that doesn't mean we necessarily lack free will by nature. No free will? That's even more depressing and self-punishing than believing the material realm is all there is, lol.

To be clear, I'm not saying there isn't an energy source which unifies us all. I think there is. But you can't have 'one' without having 'more than one,' or else 'one' means nothing - non-existence. We all agree that we exist, right?

So yes, in one sense, we're all one, but we're also autonomous individuals with unique ideas, perspectives and experiences.... That should be obvious enough just reading the posts on this forum, haha!

I dont want to get to far in to this here as its perhaps off topic.
However you would have to study this in depth to get the subtly of it.

You are That the Creator of it all--the dreamer within the dream.
When you dream you create all kind of things that seem very real--you can wake in a cold sweat if its a scary dream.
The mind does not know the difference between the dream and whats real when you sleep--not till you awake do you get it.

Christ said "of myself I do nothing "Thousands of years of sages saying virtually the same think from their direct knowing---"I am the Totality all of it"

The One can not know it self or any thing else. its described in ancient text as "One without a second"

You could say it knows it self through expressing through all the unique form yet it is one substance--one energy--Gold form many object but is still gold.

There is tremendous freedom without blaming when one knows that everything is Divine expression.

It took me years to get my head round some spiritual Truth as yes we do seem to be very real individuals--Its meant to seem that way.
Yet mystic after mystic, in their direct knowing says "I am That" and it is beyond description--not conceivable or perceivable, the mind cant get it.

You as your true Self are beyond description,omnipresent,omniscient and eternal.--Thats good news to wake up to.
Enjoy the dream without fear.

Intuitive Fish At least you took the time to listen to Stephen Wolinsky who is very direct.
Thanks for being open minded.

It takes guts to think out of the box as to what is real and what is not.
You as Self are very real.

Ch

Ps there is a clear description of enlightenment by a member here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[greybeard]

As a follow on.
There is Absolute truth and relative truth.

Relative truth is here in the world of duality. a world of opposites, hot and cold, love and hate freedom control.etc
You cant have one without the other,
There are energy levels that represent these relative truths.
As one evolves spirituality the extremes of opposites become less pronounced till eventually there is complete acceptance of what it.
Right action follows --one is not dumbed down but is a clear "channel" for the Divine.

Absolute Truth is "Neither creation or dissolution took place" Ramana Maharshi Quote
"There never was anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart Tolle quote

Accepted that I cut my finger, I bleed. However the Soul is not scared affected in any way--That is absolute Truth--The soul if perfect, unchanging, eternal, limitless.

Ch

[Rich]

I'd say free will is the belief that we can be something other than what we are and that's why we dream of this illusion.
In reality we cannot be different than how God created us, nor would we want to be.

[greybeard]

I'd say free will is the belief that we can be something other than what we are and that's why we dream of this illusion.
In reality we cannot be different than how God created us, nor would we want to be.

Well put EmEx

Restricted/constricted/limited consciousness is evolving to know it Self.

Einstein said that "“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.” (No matter --no you)
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/161207-concerning-matter-we-have-been-all-wrong-what-we-have

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[greybeard]

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, Omniverse. Do you know if your views are shared by other AI/mind control activists? Or are you pretty much independent in those beliefs?
I have shared my work with Ex-CIA Engineer Dr. Robert Duncan, he has complimented my work. Also Ex-NSA Whistleblower Karen Stewart called my directed energy weapon information a "goldmine". There are no other sources in the field giving remotely close to a comprehensive analysis as far as I'm aware. I'm not sure my situation has happened more than just once so far. Most whistleblowers in the field were compartmentalized and have very incomplete data. I would say the very best whistleblower I have come across is Dr. Barrie Trower. In my case I have 9+ years of electronic targeting experiences where they went absolutely berzerk on me. I am now repairing my life and mounting an offense against their covert machinations.

To be honest I'm kind of caught in a rough place answering your question because I don't want to sound arrogant. But I am fairly certain for example, my electronic telepathy website (http://www.electronictelepathy.net/) is the very best on the subject, and it's not even close with the other websites in terms of comprehensive analysis. This is because as of right now pretty much only targeted individuals and insiders to the conspiracy have tried electronic telepathy in any form of depth. And most TIs have been limited in experiences to only a few v2k experiences etc.

So it's kind of yes and no. Some of the same material is being covered in various sources but most of it is scattered around the internet with good points few and far between in the media exposing it, instead of in one place and concisely put. The technological side of the conspiracy I believe is the final frontier of the conspiracy to be uncovered.


Either way, it seems to me the mind control intel community has been infiltrated and co-opted to some extent, which I gotta say is a disappointment because of all the valuable info. But why wouldn't it be? If they could only infiltrate one arena with disinfo, that would be it.
You'd be surprised at what isn't infiltrated. In my opinion mind control information is one of the more pristine fields of information. Of course there is misdirection and disinformation but compared to like ET subjects, the mkultra and mind control stuff is much more solid IMHO.

Its good that you are a recognized authority on the subject of mind control Omniverse.

Im not that fond of New Age either, love and light brigade are perhaps somewhat naive.
They talk of Oneness without the full understanding of the implication.
Literally it, the truth is "One without a second" non-duality.

To my mind spirituality is about finding the answer to the question "Who am I?"--what is the True Self?
This is called Self Realization---sometimes called God-realization in India. The mystics there are said to be God-men.

That,Self Realization ,has been pointed to by mystics from their direct knowledge since time began.

That is where the Truth of spirituality is-- not within New Age which at best is watered down, user friendly, popular version

A.C.I.M. is a valid way of getting rid of concepts, of changing perception.
In order for Self Realization to come about--all belief systems all concepts are surrendered- no easy task..

Wishing you well.

Ch

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Ok then, any good news or according o this post we are fry allready ?
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[Intuitive Fish]

I dont want to get to far in to this here as its perhaps off topic.
However you would have to study this in depth to get the subtly of it.

Ah, the ol' "you need to spend years in study so you can understand the truth as well as I do" bit. ;) The idea that truth has to be "studied in depth" is the oldest religious institutional tactic in the book. I personally think kids understand truth better than any socially-conditioned adult. I think a few gurus even said this.


You are That the Creator of it all--the dreamer within the dream.
When you dream you create all kind of things that seem very real--you can wake in a cold sweat if its a scary dream.
The mind does not know the difference between the dream and whats real when you sleep--not till you awake do you get it.

How do you know dreams aren't real? And did you just admit that being awake is reality?


You could say it knows it self through expressing through all the unique form yet it is one substance--one energy--Gold form many object but is still gold.

I hear you. I've studied this stuff myself, unfortunately. Again, I'm not denying a unified energy field. The problem is denying the "expressing through all the unique form" as if that "expressing" isn't real, doesn't exist or is inferior to the "one energy."

Deliberate ignorance of the prevalence of inequality, oppression, war, poverty, disease, institutional and economic slavery and say, the experiences of targeted individuals... is exactly the problem of New Age philosophy which seems to have gone wildly off track from original teachers who taught it.

How is it possible for us to be happy and at peace when people around us are suffering? Does that sound right to you? People who claim to be happy have somehow conveniently removed themselves from reality and even more likely profit off the suffering of others. But I'm not sure how anyone can be genuinely happy in that case either, because it destroys human relationships.

The most legitimate danger I see in the New Age movement is that it ungrounds us from physical reality. It can be used as a sort of escape from all the injustice, problems and suffering going on around us and in our own lives, which is understandable. But reality catches up to us at some point; then we realize those problems we ignored have grown to mass scale proportions - which is what we now see occurring on the planet. Clearly, religion has only been a detrimental distraction, generally speaking.

The only way to create, influence or change reality is for the entire collective to change because we live in a collective reality. And that's why actively doing our part to change the world is required.


There is tremendous freedom without blaming when one knows that everything is Divine expression.

But you blamed Omniverse for creating his reality.


It took me years to get my head round some spiritual Truth as yes we do seem to be very real individuals--Its meant to seem that way.
Yet mystic after mystic, in their direct knowing says "I am That" and it is beyond description--not conceivable or perceivable, the mind cant get it.

Congratulations on your self-proclaimed enlightenment. ;)

When people talk about the self that doesn't exist, that goes right along with all of the "deny yourself and follow Jesus" blah, blah, blah. It's just a very long-standing program to get people to disregard or doubt the value of their individuality, and even their existence.

I'm pretty sure Maharshi or whoever originated the ocean analogy didn't mean that we are a literal ocean of energy. It was an analogy. At best, any denial of the individual self is about letting go of the "false self" or false identities. But those identities are real too. They're just not always a CORRECT identity for each of us. Very often they're masks or pretenses we use to merge with some status quo (or spiritual ideology) which keeps us from being real and genuinely connecting with others. The self very much does exist, and it's just as autonomous, unique, individual and valuable as it is connected to everyone/everything through the quantum vacuum energy field.

And that's all enlightenment really is. It's just being your true, honest, authentic and individual self in a world that pressures you to be otherwise. There are LOTS OF people who are enlightened. There is not one spiritual group who can claim it.

So, see? There's truth there amongst the New Age lies. It just needs to be brought down to reality and not overly-spiritualized, which is the primary problem with the New Age and metaphysical communities.


Absolute Truth is "Neither creation or dissolution took place" Ramana Maharshi Quote
"There never was anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart Tolle quote

Accepted that I cut my finger, I bleed. However the Soul is not scared affected in any way--That is absolute Truth--The soul if perfect, unchanging, eternal, limitless.

Now this is getting into very real denial. Your soul might not be scarred but your finger is bleeding. You'll need to stop the bleeding somehow. These beliefs are what cause people to ignore health problems, relationship problems, and life problems.

I can see you're a cool dude, Ch, but enlightenment means nothing unless we're actively making the world a better place for all - not as some spiritual duty but because we're honestly fed up with all the BS. People who are struggling and suffering don't want to hear about enlightenment or spirituality. They want actual change.

[Intuitive Fish]

In your view, does a soul go straight from one incarnation to another without any sort of in between existence?
Basically that is what I believe now. I think between incarnations the soul is inanimate. I think it could have been nearly 3 years after i last died until I was born again. 3 years of non-existence potentially.

Can a soul incarnate into a different dimension or planet...?
Well it can but how does it get there. To incarnate on an ET world I presume I would need to be transported there before death, and die there for their reincarnation technology to reincarnate me there. I do not believe in a soul traveling the universe freely after death.


You really got me thinking about this, Omniverse. (Thank you.) A few more questions if you don't mind.

What about quantum travel? Quantum entanglement suggests distance is an illusion and that all points in time and space are connected. UFO quantum propulsion (which I'm assuming you believe in) means a material object can travel at the speed of thought. If a material object can do that, wouldn't our soul have that ability even moreso?

Or what about telepathy and remote viewing? Those seem to be widely accepted by respected UFO researchers.... Obviously our brains have the ability to transmit and receive information, because we're doing that at this moment over the internet. There's evidence we don't need the internet, but let's look at how it works. Information, which is non-material, can travel instantaneously. In that case, wouldn't that make soul travel, or at least consciousness travel also a likelihood?

The concept of an afterlife might work the same way. Our physical brain can be likened to a biological computer. Assuming the soul is more than just a human brain, we're all connected (connected not 'one') through an information network, which isn't necessarily dependent on a receiver/transmitter (our brain) to filter that information into certain physiological experiences.

Maybe our sleeping dream states also have that connection to the universal morphic field without the brain filters.

I'm not saying that there isn't mind control technology that can replicate this. I think there is. I'm just saying that that technology doesn't necessarily mean an afterlife isn't real. In fact, I'm inclined to believe it is real if these AI operators feel some need to replicate it and use it to their advantage.

[greybeard]

Intuitive Fish
Ghandi was enlightened---Did he not bring about change?
Wear the world like a loose garment--Jesus quote.

Its possible to disagree with what a person is saying without disliking or loosing respect for the person.
Talking about Self realization is not that easy because there are different levels of the one energy.
There is no hierarchy but in the begining there is a search till there is the discovery that the one searching is what is searched for.
That takes time, study and meditation
It can take time to fully realize that you are the one Self--I have not as yet.
ACIM says that "Specialness is the last resort of the ego."

Have a look at this if you want a clear explanation.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...

In this play of consciousness there are actors on the stage.

Bagavadgita Quote
"God wrote the play
God directed the play
God is the actor in the play
God is the witness of the play"

Ch



Have a look at my signature.

[Rich]

Chris, ACIM actually says God did not make this "play" (world) this is where it differs from other teachers I've heard of, including Bashar.

[greybeard]

Chris, ACIM actually says God did not make this "play" (world) this is where it differs from other teachers I've heard of, including Bashar.

Yes EmEx agreed, you are correct, however I did not say this is part of A.C.I.M --however there are variations on the theme of how this world came into being or did not.
Scientists are now saying that the creation pulses in and out of existence several times a second --called Spanda by the ancients

Holographic Universe makes sens at one level.

All levels all relatively true--particularly when you are in a level.

In duality the extremes are felt as highs and lows to begin with, eventually there is an acceptance of what is--there is a change in perception, if anything there is more compassion. The awakening can be a gradual process---things become taken less and less personally but as said compassion is there.

The miracles is that the body does a million things simultaneously without you doing anything.
How many times does your plan for the day actually happen---We make plans and God laughs.
Why dont you resume your A.C.I.M posts on your thread?-
I enjoyed them immensely?

Ch

[raregem]

Not once did I think Omniverse acted/ spoke as a victim.
BTW OV
Thank you for detailed and time consuming thoughts you formulate for us here.

I am confused about Chakras....if they are an artificial construct or an enhancement to our soul growth? I have read elsewhere (once) chakras are a control mechanism and now here..OV would you clarify if you have time? thx R

[greybeard]

Not once did I think Omniverse acted/ spoke as a victim.
BTW OV
Thank you for detailed and time consuming thoughts you formulate for us here.

I am confused about Chakras....if they are an artificial construct or an enhancement to our soul growth? I have read elsewhere (once) chakras are a control mechanism and now here..OV would you clarify if you have time? thx R

I agree that Omniverse is not coming across as a victim but he is being attacked--the recipient of any kind of attack is technically a victim of that attack.

I was trained in Bi-Aura therapy --the practitioner works on the chakras to clear any blockage to good health--they are natural energy centers.

http://www.bi-aura.com/

Ch

[raregem]

Not once did I think Omniverse acted/ spoke as a victim.
BTW OV
Thank you for detailed and time consuming thoughts you formulate for us here.

I am confused about Chakras....if they are an artificial construct or an enhancement to our soul growth? I have read elsewhere (once) chakras are a control mechanism and now here..OV would you clarify if you have time? thx R

I agree that Omniverse is not coming across as a victim but he is being attacked--the recipient of any kind of attack is technically a victim of that attack.

I was trained in Bi-Aura therapy --the practitioner works on the chakras to clear any blockage to good health--they are natural energy centers.

http://www.bi-aura.com/

Ch

Thank you Greybeard. Your photo/ your eyes are so very bright.
I had not considered that someone is being attacked even though they do not seem victimized.
I will read the website re: bi-aura. New term for me, also. Maybe now I can unscramble this re: chakras.

[Baby Steps]

Omniverse's journey is for all of us, what he finds, and how he beats it, will be of great value to the freedom fighters.

[Rich]

Omni its true that we don't like advice from someone that we think knows nothing about our situation.
Some though have overcome a lot of their suffering and they are imo qualified to help because it all comes down to the same thing.

Intuitive Fish, taking responsibility is not blaming, it's actually the opposite. ACIM teaches that we are innocent, always remaining as God created us, regardless of our dreams of guilt.

Chris, I am not sure why I stopped that thread, maybe because I thought very few read it and it may not fit well into a conspiracy forum, or maybe that's just my story ;)
Might start it up again, thx for letting me know you liked that thread.

[DeDukshyn]

I dont want to get to far in to this here as its perhaps off topic.
However you would have to study this in depth to get the subtly of it.

Ah, the ol' "you need to spend years in study so you can understand the truth as well as I do" bit. ;) The idea that truth has to be "studied in depth" is the oldest religious institutional tactic in the book. I personally think kids understand truth better than any socially-conditioned adult. I think a few gurus even said this.


You are That the Creator of it all--the dreamer within the dream.
When you dream you create all kind of things that seem very real--you can wake in a cold sweat if its a scary dream.
The mind does not know the difference between the dream and whats real when you sleep--not till you awake do you get it.

How do you know dreams aren't real? And did you just admit that being awake is reality?


You could say it knows it self through expressing through all the unique form yet it is one substance--one energy--Gold form many object but is still gold.

I hear you. I've studied this stuff myself, unfortunately. Again, I'm not denying a unified energy field. The problem is denying the "expressing through all the unique form" as if that "expressing" isn't real, doesn't exist or is inferior to the "one energy."

Deliberate ignorance of the prevalence of inequality, oppression, war, poverty, disease, institutional and economic slavery and say, the experiences of targeted individuals... is exactly the problem of New Age philosophy which seems to have gone wildly off track from original teachers who taught it.

How is it possible for us to be happy and at peace when people around us are suffering? Does that sound right to you? People who claim to be happy have somehow conveniently removed themselves from reality and even more likely profit off the suffering of others. But I'm not sure how anyone can be genuinely happy in that case either, because it destroys human relationships.

The most legitimate danger I see in the New Age movement is that it ungrounds us from physical reality. It can be used as a sort of escape from all the injustice, problems and suffering going on around us and in our own lives, which is understandable. But reality catches up to us at some point; then we realize those problems we ignored have grown to mass scale proportions - which is what we now see occurring on the planet. Clearly, religion has only been a detrimental distraction, generally speaking.

The only way to create, influence or change reality is for the entire collective to change because we live in a collective reality. And that's why actively doing our part to change the world is required.


There is tremendous freedom without blaming when one knows that everything is Divine expression.

But you blamed Omniverse for creating his reality.


It took me years to get my head round some spiritual Truth as yes we do seem to be very real individuals--Its meant to seem that way.
Yet mystic after mystic, in their direct knowing says "I am That" and it is beyond description--not conceivable or perceivable, the mind cant get it.

Congratulations on your self-proclaimed enlightenment. ;)

When people talk about the self that doesn't exist, that goes right along with all of the "deny yourself and follow Jesus" blah, blah, blah. It's just a very long-standing program to get people to disregard or doubt the value of their individuality, and even their existence.

I'm pretty sure Maharshi or whoever originated the ocean analogy didn't mean that we are a literal ocean of energy. It was an analogy. At best, any denial of the individual self is about letting go of the "false self" or false identities. But those identities are real too. They're just not always a CORRECT identity for each of us. Very often they're masks or pretenses we use to merge with some status quo (or spiritual ideology) which keeps us from being real and genuinely connecting with others. The self very much does exist, and it's just as autonomous, unique, individual and valuable as it is connected to everyone/everything through the quantum vacuum energy field.

And that's all enlightenment really is. It's just being your true, honest, authentic and individual self in a world that pressures you to be otherwise. There are LOTS OF people who are enlightened. There is not one spiritual group who can claim it.

So, see? There's truth there amongst the New Age lies. It just needs to be brought down to reality and not overly-spiritualized, which is the primary problem with the New Age and metaphysical communities.


Absolute Truth is "Neither creation or dissolution took place" Ramana Maharshi Quote
"There never was anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart Tolle quote

Accepted that I cut my finger, I bleed. However the Soul is not scared affected in any way--That is absolute Truth--The soul if perfect, unchanging, eternal, limitless.

Now this is getting into very real denial. Your soul might not be scarred but your finger is bleeding. You'll need to stop the bleeding somehow. These beliefs are what cause people to ignore health problems, relationship problems, and life problems.

I can see you're a cool dude, Ch, but enlightenment means nothing unless we're actively making the world a better place for all - not as some spiritual duty but because we're honestly fed up with all the BS. People who are struggling and suffering don't want to hear about enlightenment or spirituality. They want actual change.

Please keep in mind the intrinsic fallibility of all human languages, and bring yourself to be aware of the distinction between a language that cannot properly convey the wholeness of specific concepts that someone at some point has tried to put into language, and how the person trying to convey the concept may understand it differently than you (or me for example), potentially even due to the limited ability for human languages to convey such concepts. If you hang around here a bit more and read more of Greybeard's posts, you'll likely have a greater understanding of the breadth of the platform from which he speaks.

I personally have struggled my whole life, despite me being far better than average with utilization of the English language, with trying to put into words my understandings of things for which the language is not practical for relaying, yet we must try anyway. Any written word is only as good as any individual's ability to understand it as it was intended -- finding and understanding the intention is the key.

Just a sidebit ... carry on :)

[Omni]

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[Intuitive Fish]

Its possible to disagree with what a person is saying without disliking or loosing respect for the person.
Talking about Self realization is not that easy because there are different levels of the one energy.
There is no hierarchy but in the begining there is a search till there is the discovery that the one searching is what is searched for.
That takes time, study and meditation
It can take time to fully realize that you are the one Self--I have not as yet.
ACIM says that "Specialness is the last resort of the ego."



To clarify, I don't respect false information systems, but I respect the people who follow them and understand that intentions and language can get lost in translation. I also think there's truth surrounding every lie. I apologize if I wasn't more clear about that and I'll try to work on that going forward....

About enlightenment, ACIM, New Age beliefs, etc...

Believing enlightenment is some elite achievement restricted to a privileged class who can read, write and study or meditate all day...

and believing the material realm, experience or judgement of right and wrong, or emotions are somehow inferior...

as well as the belief that the physical realm is an illusion...

is a dead giveaway that some kind of a mind control program is involved.

Plus, teachings like the "one self" and "there is no self," etc doesn't even make sense. It's intended to appear philosophically complicated to 1) make people think they're never enlightened enough and 2) keep people digging in a field of nonsense thinking the treasure must be just around the corner.

Get out while you can, haha.

[Intuitive Fish]

... I don't know the subjects of quantum entanglement or quantum travel. Maybe I am wrong, but I am leaning towards thinking a lot of the newer science you speak of is unperfected, and more in it's infantile stages. Could even be psy ops. It is perfectly feasible to alter science conclusions with directed energy weapons. That sort of thing is right up the CIA's alley, that kind of trickery.

Thanks for sharing your views, Omniverse. I feel like I'm attempting to bring New Age adherents down to Earth, and attempting to convince you to expand your mind, haha. Maybe we can all meet somewhere in the middle and have a few beers. :beer: :beer: :beer:

I agree that a lot of New Age concepts are some form of mind control programs or social engineering. Beliefs have been engineered that simply aren't true in order to manipulate large amounts of people. I also think we don't even need AI. Us humans can come up with nonsensical beliefs and ideas all on our own. That's just a natural part of our existence.

But I can't agree that it's all a lie and in fact, there's truth in every psyops. That's how they hook people.

So then the question is, what's the truth? Personally, I think the truth is a lot more simple than we're led to believe, and we only have to be brave enough to trust our own intuitive insights rather than depend on a guru or teacher to tell us what that is.

It's important to ensure that we all know we can trust our own logic and intuition, and it's important to develop and utilize discernment with everything.

I also think that these cover stories eventually blow their cover. While they're highly funded and technologically advanced, they inevitably seem to mess up somehow. People need to know this or this subject can significantly disempower people.



I believe everything that exists in reality has a science to it. One of the ways I have sussed out bull**** of the new age when i was heavily mind controlled into it was trying to understand the mechanics of things before i believe in it. A lot of the new age things do not seem practical as you fully explore them, the more they are explored the more impractical, improbable, & contrived they become.

I completely agree with you on this, although scientists and science haven't discovered everything, and new theories often cancel out previous ones. This means that if science doesn't back something up, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. Therefore, science is not fully reliable.



Natural telepathy doesn't make sense in a lot of ways IMHO. How would it be controlled? But I'm sure that is blasphemy on a website like this because the abundance of UFOlogy disinformation claiming ETs use natural telepathy....

I'm not sure what this site believes exactly with UFO's and ET's since I'm new here, but I have noticed a fair share of what I think is disinfo.

Natural telepathy is controlled the same way I control what I share with you over the internet. If there's something I don't want others to know, I keep that info to myself. That's why RV can't tell you where your wounds are, etc. Natural telepathy doesn't mean everyone can see everything about everyone.

But that's the New Age oneness theory again, which undervalues and erases personal perspectives and experiences as well as personal privacy. Invasion of personal privacy is also the very foundation of technological surveillance.



Basically what I'm saying is technology is the superior method even if natural does exist if you go by capabilities of even the best remote viewers. And I believe natural remote viewing does not exist beyond psychological operations and very rare extraterrestrial given premonitions etc.

That sounds like something AI would say. Elevating artificial technology over natural anything creates enslavement to technology and all the same problems that are caused when we're out of harmony with nature. Technology is useful as long as it's a tool, not a slave master.



The way an afterlife is feasible scientifically to me is by using technology on the brain while the soul is still in the body. Perhaps the soul does not leave right away. I strongly do not believe in the white light nonsense... There is more order to things than that.

What do you mean about the white light nonsense and there being more order to things? Are you talking about the commonly experienced NDE white light or the "reincarnation trap"?

[Intuitive Fish]

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I am confused about Chakras....if they are an artificial construct or an enhancement to our soul growth? I have read elsewhere (once) chakras are a control mechanism and now here..OV would you clarify if you have time? thx R

Thank you. :)

I'm happy with this question, because I feel I have potentially discovered the deep truth behind chakra and several other manipulations using the same techniques. I used to believe in chakra after experiencing vivid and extremely distinct, beautiful, profound experiences with energy orbs that were in areas that seemed like chakra. I have found out that these were all neuroscience tricks. These neuroscience tricks once done in their non-weaponized form are a future billion/trillion dollar industry, I feel I can safely say that....

This is valuable info that you shared, but it still doesn't tell us whether all chakra experiences are synthetic signals from DEW's. Just because a technology can replicate an experience doesn't necessarily mean all of those experiences are replicated.

In fact, if they're putting all of that effort into mimicking these experiences, maybe it means they feel threatened by them, in which case it would give them credibility.

This would go for unpleasant experiences too, such as physical pain. Co-opting natural human experiences by turning them into artificial ones is probably a long conversation we don't want to get into, but I think it's a critical issue.

[greybeard]

Its possible to disagree with what a person is saying without disliking or loosing respect for the person.
Talking about Self realization is not that easy because there are different levels of the one energy.
There is no hierarchy but in the begining there is a search till there is the discovery that the one searching is what is searched for.
That takes time, study and meditation
It can take time to fully realize that you are the one Self--I have not as yet.
ACIM says that "Specialness is the last resort of the ego."



To clarify, I don't respect false information systems, but I respect the people who follow them and understand that intentions and language can get lost in translation. I also think there's truth surrounding every lie. I apologize if I wasn't more clear about that and I'll try to work on that going forward....

About enlightenment, ACIM, New Age beliefs, etc...

Believing enlightenment is some elite achievement restricted to a privileged class who can read, write and study or meditate all day...

and believing the material realm, experience or judgement of right and wrong, or emotions are somehow inferior...

as well as the belief that the physical realm is an illusion...

is a dead giveaway that some kind of a mind control program is involved.

Plus, teachings like the "one self" and "there is no self," etc doesn't even make sense. It's intended to appear philosophically complicated to 1) make people think they're never enlightened enough and 2) keep people digging in a field of nonsense thinking the treasure must be just around the corner.

Get out while you can, haha.

With respect you are so far of the mark regarding enlightenment and the post is full of assumptions.

Enlightenment means literally the removal of ignorance--you are not what conditioning concepts belief systems have led you to believe.
Enlightenment is not gaining anything--it is the removal of all these concepts which the reveals the true Self as in Self realization.
It has happened spontaneously for some--no meditation no spiritual technique,
Sometimes at an early age.
You cant lump it in with New Age--records of it has existed as long as there have been humans,

If you want to disbelieve that fine,

It cant be earned, made to happen--it is not elitism it is not superior it is within every one.
Language cant convey this--the mind cant get this, it does not make rational sense.
There is nowhere that God is not and you are That in your True nature,

David Icke said "Only unconditional love is--the rest is an illusion"
Thats what I am eluding to.

Ch

Ps I am no longer limited or controlled by the assumption--fear that there is some thing out there out to control me.
Something that has power over me.
My mind is not filled with what If?
I enjoy each moment as it comes--

This prayer covers it.

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Ch

[Baby Steps]

Targetting: ever found a geographical location (ancient power point?) where the interference is reduced?

[Omni]

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[Intuitive Fish]

With respect you are so far of the mark regarding enlightenment and the post is full of assumptions.

Enlightenment means literally the removal of ignorance--you are not what conditioning concepts belief systems have led you to believe.
Enlightenment is not gaining anything--it is the removal of all these concepts which the reveals the true Self as in Self realization.
It has happened spontaneously for some--no meditation no spiritual technique,
Sometimes at an early age.
You cant lump it in with New Age--records of it has existed as long as there have been humans,

If you want to disbelieve that fine,

It cant be earned, made to happen--it is not elitism it is not superior it is within every one.
Language cant convey this--the mind cant get this, it does not make rational sense.
There is nowhere that God is not and you are That in your True nature,

David Icke said "Only unconditional love is--the rest is an illusion"
Thats what I am eluding to.

Ch

Ps I am no longer limited or controlled by the assumption--fear that there is some thing out there out to control me.
Something that has power over me.
My mind is not filled with what If?
I enjoy each moment as it comes--

This prayer covers it.

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Ch

Okay but there you go again with the "It can't be explained in words, the mind can't understand it, but I'm going to theoretically, repetitively and systematically explain it to you anyway..."

I agree "enlightenment" is within everyone and we all experience it in those random, spontaneous moments when we feel alive, open/expansive, clear and real. All it means is being awake to reality, like a kid on a playground. Most of us socialized human adults can only handle a short time of reality and so we need all kinds of spiritual concepts, ambitions, codependent relationships and mind altering substances to escape it. That's what makes us such easy prey as a controlled society.

While most of us live in a zombie-like state, being awake is a lot more common than you think, and more and more people are waking up... which is why we see the world changing. People are realizing they don't want to live like controlled zombies anymore, and more people are daring to live their own lives and stay true to themselves, even if they're ostracized and criticized as being "selfish" or "self-centered." Which means no longer giving in to the pressure to sacrifice the individual self for the status quo or "oneness." You can't have unity without diversity anyway.

Waking up to reality is the "ancient great and holy enlightenment" we all thought was designated to the 3 people who spent a hundred years in the lotus position. It's so funny how we like to deify regular, everyday people and concepts.

Sure, it goes beyond language in a sense, but all that means is that when you start talking about an experience you're having, you cease to experience it - for obvious reasons. A genuine experience can't be explained, only experienced - like an inside joke. Why complicate it with spiritualized language and overly-used quotes?

What you call an illusion is the reality we're waking up to. We really are living on a giant rock in space, we really are confined to these physical vehicles, there really are people being born, falling in love, creating, laughing, pushing boundaries, suffering, dying.... This is not an illusion. But it's in the vested interest of a controlling group of beings for you to think so.

[Intuitive Fish]

Regardless of what it sounds like, it is reliable IMO. How many new age RV'ers do you see able to remote view literally anything on earth like technology can? That is one of the big new age psy ops, making new agers think natural spiritual ability is the superior to technology, when the spiritual ability is non existent, and technology is how it is done in the greater universe.

Well, what I meant was, when we exalt technology over nature, we tend to run into problems, such as disease.


Saying that leaves me in a bad position though, these psy ops have been engineered to make the people who have assimilated to the programming react negatively to hearing the truth. The truth is technology is behind a lot. Always has been. And I don't like explaining it to be honest because im against an entire planet of mind control programs and I'm not aware of any other insider speaking out about some of this stuff... Not only am I liable to be attacked by the cabal for speaking out their secrets, the population attacks me too...

I see that too. It's not easy to tell people that an ideology they've depended on is a false one. And it can be shocking to find out that our truth is actually a lie. It's a difficult process to let go of those dependencies even if it's to our benefit to do so.

I guess dealing with people's reactions is an innate part of exposing manipulation, and you just kinda have to do it anyway as best as you can in spite of how people react. I think you do a great job of communicating. Much better than me. I'm not so patient and nice. :highfive:

About the entire planet being under mind control, however. I don't see this. And you might want to consider sparing yourself from that level of despair. Like I mentioned above, it's not easy, but more people are waking up, more lies are being exposed, more long-standing power structures are being dismantled.... I think we've definitely reached a global tipping point.

Mind control systems might be powerful, but they can be subverted, and even used to our advantage. For example, they can serve to make us more aware, discerning and self-empowered. That's the message I feel is missing with this particular kind of intel.

[greybeard]

I agree with most of what you say Intuitive Fish
Illusion is something perceived to be real which is not.
The atom ---which everything is "made of " is less than 1% solid.-The mind filters out the emptiness.
The emptiness is where the" intelligence" lies.
Illusion is belief in separateness-- nothing is actually separate.
What we are is not solid but energy--we inhabit a body for a period of time--where were we before we entered the body and where after the body drops away?
The illusion is death.
The illusion is that we are a personality--which changes from moment to moment, What is permanent unchanging?

Ch

[Mike]

I think we largley psy-op ourselves in the alt community. So much of it is self inflicted, so much so that the nice folks behind what we all generally agree are the real psy ops are likely wondering if its some kind of reverse, retaliatory psy op on them..and for all we know are discussing this very topic right now over cocktails on their very short flight back from area 51. Taken to its extreme, this kind of mentality is mentally and emotionally crippling, and generally will lead more likely to a population of paranoid people questioning everything right down to the color of their socks than it will to discerning (whatever that means), stable, individuals constructively trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Therefore, I cant say with any real confidence that a discussion on this stuff can be beneficial. This type of insanity is contagious, you see, and only further entrenches the insidious catch-22 it implicitly is. Maybe thats part of the psy op game itself..that is, making it impossible to discuss without creating even further confusion, which creates more suspicion, which creates even more notions of "psy op", real or (most likely) imagined...

...but in some discussions, to even suggest "imagined" is to risk being called an "agent", and the paranoia ratchets up even further..and the truth (if there was any of it to begin with in the original psy op claim) recedes further into the distance while those of us who are rendered dizzied and unbalanced by it all (but still standing) are left to hash it out, with each point and counterpoint (tho well intentioned) only muddying the waters that much more..

..who knows?..maybe one day we'll all get together and drink acid spiked kool aid and come to some collective understanding of it all...but even then there'd be some debbie downer there to spoil it, claiming that our mass epiphany was never real but merely A.I. influenced, or some psy op contrived by mischievous men in black who were likely laughing hysterically while watching the whole thing in hyperspace or from some remote viewing location somewhere in Agartha...

Or perhaps we could meditate on it. But meditating takes a lifetime to get truly good at they say, and what if I waste my whole life meditating only to find out that A) i'm still not good at it or B) that I am good at it but still view it all as a huge waste of time and regret the waste of a lifetime in a mountain cave when I could have been eating whoppers and gambling on football the whole time. Another catch-22

This is no knock on you Omni. Tho I'll never quite understand it, I am convinced that youve had some very real experiences in these areas you mention. Its not your integrity im questioning....im questioning the value of discussing some of this stuff, even as im internally applauding your courage for doing it(another catch 22)...as it often turns into mental and emotional quicksand (i.e.the phenomena of the more one tries to explain, the further from the truth one gets).

Maybe theres a balance to be struck somewhere in there, but I havent found it. Me, even at the risk of getting burned, id rather be open and trusting and find out later ive been a fool than be closed off and cynical and proven later to be correct...if that even makes the slightest bit of sense. And we really do give ourselves endless reasons to be cynical here...and even tho many of those reasons are legit and have value, many more are mere externalizations and only serve to self psy op the community.

[greybeard]

Oh YES Mike.
I agree with you.
There is a truth in it but greatly magnified by conspiracy theorists (reds under the bed) the enemy is so powerful--no only as powerful as we believe them to be.
I don't question the validity of Omniverse's experiences--they are not mine nor are they, I suspect, the majority of population's.
Some conspiracy theorists cant see the good --the positive in anything except being the one to expose the enemy.
They call the rest sheepies and other derogatory terms.

Seems there is a deep psychic need for there to be an enemy.

There is an awakening going on but it is a spiritual one over and above discovering what T.P.T.B are up to--that is valid if not somewhat over magnified.
Putting fear in peoples heads is not helpful--in fact that really suits those that would control, who are not as powerful as they would have you believe.

Ch

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[Mike]

Hey Omni,

First, thanks for all the compliments.

Second, i could take a dozen angles on this thread and theyd all be equally valid...and maybe contradictory. The one I expressed is the one I chose to express in the moment, thats all. Most layered individuals with more than a few dimensions to them can see the thing from a few different angles, and articulate them all equally well. I was trying this angle...just like i'd try on a new pair of pants, and I kinda liked it so I went with it. Sometimes I don't know how I feel about something till I write about it. So, as you can see, i'm still writing so that means i'm still working thru it...so bear with me. Its a very layered topic and I can only focus on one layer at a time.

Re paranoia: I was speaking in general terms about the "alt" media. You clearly have more faith in it than I do. And thats cool. thats just a simple disagreement.. it doesnt have to mean that the CIA is bombarding either of us with mind control devices. It might just mean I expressed myself a little clumsily there. I think William of Ockham would agree.

Basically what I was saying is that this is a discussion that has no real baseline ( or a very shaky one at.best) and therefore one tends to feel off balance and disoriented as a result. Well, at least I do. Youve said yourself many times that you can't always be trusted, that you don't always know when youre under malevolent influence...so just to begin with, how can anyone be sure that what youre saying here is truly your own thoughts and feelings and not the thoughts and feelings of some nefarious, abstract external source? Look, thats not me trying to discredit you, thats just the first question to arrive in the mind of anyone with a few brain cells still floating around..

...so we're starting with that baseline, Omni. Its distracting and unsettling...and very very shaky. I mean, how could it not be? If ive been "programmed" to think that way, then i'm quite pleased about that.


So, metaphorically speaking, we begin in quicksand, and never really have anything to help drag us out of it...we just kind of wade in it. You say many, many very abstract and esoteric things while openly admitting that they might be deliberate lies or disinfo...and then, when I sort of obliquely point this out, you get very touchy about it....which all kind of proves my initial point.

Ive been on record as saying that I believe you dude! Ive said it many times here. I'm not the enemy ..i'm just providing a different angle to the discussion. Thats it. I even msg'ed you not too long ago to discuss my own "targeting" suspicions...so you know i'm on the level..or at the very least open minded about all of this.

I don't want to silence you. Please, by all means, carry on! But its a very muddy discussion imho, one that obscures just as much as it reveals because it is by its very nature contradictory. Thats all I was saying.

I mean, if you don't think all this is some catch-22 mind f#ck, then reread your last paragraph and youll have all the evidence you need that youre wrong!;)

P.s. the meditation thing was a joke. Ive always felt that dry irony worked better in print without emoticons. It is, however, a small risk

[greybeard]

If some one came up with an antidote to mind control then I would impressed--other wise its all one side---that is, its all about what they can do to us.

Thankfully my mind is quiet--not giving me a hard time. Nor is anyone else. I wonder why!!

Ch

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[Mike]

When I say alt media I mean forums, its members, and all those people involved in this info that you don't think are prone to paranioa etc etc.

Omni i'm not "attacking" you. thats the go-to word for anyone with a blatant victimization complex. I notice thats a very common tactic used by those making outrageous claims who do not wish to be questioned closely.. playing the victim. i'm not discrediting you either. I admire you in some ways. I'm just pointing out some obvious things. And in this instance, separating the msg and the messenger is next to impossible..and I think you know that.

Why dont you do this:
Next time these A.I.'s make a prediction, relay it here to a 3rd party that most people trust, like Bill or a mod. And after it comes true, have them release the msg. This is a perfectly reasonable request, and could prove so much with so little effort, but I predict youll label it an "attack" in order to deflect it and not follow thru. Or youll say, re your post above, that the A.I. would interfere and ruin the little experiment to mess with your credibility. And that may be true!...but this is my issue with people making these very profound claims on the forum - theres always, and I mean ALWAYS, some cute little insurance policy preventing each and every method of providing proof or evidence that these things really exist. .every single time, without fail..

Despite everything my mind is telling me, I still think theres quite a bit of truth to your claims. Call it a feeling. I sense that youre a good egg, really do. And being touchy under the circumstances is totally understandable. But please try to understand that in situations such as these, certain questions simply have to be raised if we are to foster any sort of intellectual integrity at all.

[Intuitive Fish]

I have to agree with Mike. And I think there's some value in your information too, Omniverse. But we need more details before we can discern whether or not we can rely on your info, which is the very thing you're encouraging us to do (be discerning.)

It's important to know at least a little bit about you because that helps us determine the accuracy of your information. Since you're under attack and in communication with the CIA via v2k, I'm sure you understand we need to tread carefully here. I'm sure you'd want to have that accountability and feedback anyway?

I feel confident that there really are AI, black ops and mind control programs taking place because I've experienced them myself. I had specific thoughts implanted in my mind, then they were confirmed by multiple channelers, including an Ashtar channeler. These were clearly false (but manipulative) thoughts but I'd like to know how they got into my head and were able to place false info in my path, as well as what I can do to keep that from happening again (beside stay away from channelers.)

So personally, I'd like to know more about your intel but in order to do that, a few issues need to be worked out. The first issue is the inevitable hopeless despair and distrust in virtually all awakening experiences because the whole process appears to be a controlled operation. I'm as confident as can be that some kind of awakening is occurring, so it can't all be a false experience.

I don't agree with Greybeard that feeling fine and dandy is a sign we're on the right track either. In fact, there's something really wrong with that mentality, even if it only means we're ignoring the suffering of others. But perpetual hopelessness or distrust is just the other side of the same coin.

Another issue is that this info automatically results in doubting our own capability to discern truth from lies. The focus is very disempowering. Creating self-doubt seems to be the primary purpose of these operations, but exposing this issue doesn't seem to help that very much. It only seems to reinforce the idea that we can't trust our own thoughts and experiences - at all. That to me is a warning flag.

Another warning sign for me is that there isn't much by way of tips on how to combat these operations. I've noticed this with most insiders working to expose the issue, not just you. We know what these technologies are capable of, we know they're being used to harm and control people and we know they're really, really bad. And maybe no one has yet discovered any dependable ways to protect ourself. But again, I'm left with the impression that we're all screwed.

So, it would help and go a long way if your info was more rounded. Evidence is important too, even if it's just reporting on how these operations are specifically playing out.

Hopefully you can see this as working with you rather than attacking you.

[Intuitive Fish]

This prayer covers it.

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Ch

While we might agree on a lot, Ch, you don't want to get me started on the whole "God" thing. In my view, that's got to be the most ridiculous false concept in all of existence. And that includes alternative labels such as "G--" or Goddess, Yahweh, Tao, Source and even the scientific term "unified energy field" or the zero point quantum vacuum.

To me, "God" is just a false label for or distraction from the self to get us all thinking there's some higher power external or superior to us that we have to depend on or submit to.

You know that spontaneous moment of being awake to and fully engaged in reality that I mentioned? All "God" is is just being ourself in any given situation - allowing ourself to think what we really think and feel how we really feel - whether that's happy, sad, depressed, in pain, apathetic, bored, lonely, proud, in love, elated, confused, angry or fed up with it all.... Yet somehow we've built entire religions, spiritual belief systems, theology schools, courses and even entire cultures and subcultures off this one simple thing of just being ourself. I mean, it really is hilarious when you think about it.

Maybe - maybe - religion's value is found in being something we're not because what better way to appreciate something than to not have it for a while? I'm sure it all has its place in the whole scheme of things. But that's the best thing I can say about religion, spirituality and even science (beside the fact that truths are sprinkled throughout them.) Science in this case being the observer or analyzing what is, instead of simply being and experiencing what is. And that brings us to the whole whacky idea of non-attachment. We can't detach from reality and who we are, and is just another conceptual escape mechanism to avoid reality. This is why science, religion and spirituality can never give us the answers we long for, as helpful as they might be in other ways.

That's also why it's not easy to be our authentic self in a world in which we're surrounded by belief and control systems. We're made to feel guilty and even punished for following what we know is good, true and right such as personal freedom, intelligence or respect for ourselves, the planet and the multiverse.... Why is it SO HARD just to do and be what we want? Because of external and internal control mechanisms. We don't even know what we want much of the time and tend to be experts in self-sabotage....

But that is neither here nor there. What I'm trying to figure out is which of these trippy psychic experiences I have are real, and which ones might be artificially manipulated. That's where Omniverse's info comes in. Only I'm not sure how reliable it is. Whether it's true or false, it could possibly be another control mechanism to doubt ourselves and our own experiences.

[Intuitive Fish]

If some one came up with an antidote to mind control then I would impressed--other wise its all one side---that is, its all about what they can do to us.

Thankfully my mind is quiet--not giving me a hard time. Nor is anyone else. I wonder why!!

Ch

At this point mind control largely appears to be one-sided, yes. But just because you don't experience torture doesn't mean it's okay to victim-blame those who do.

There's always the possibility they're leaving you alone because you're not a threat to their operations, or perhaps you're even helping them out by propagating them.

[Omni]

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[greybeard]

This prayer covers it.

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

Ch

While we might agree on a lot, Ch, you don't want to get me started on the whole "God" thing. In my view, that's got to be the most ridiculous false concept in all of existence. And that includes alternative labels such as "G--" or Goddess, Yahweh, Tao, Source and even the scientific term "unified energy field" or the zero point quantum vacuum.

To me, "God" is just a false label for or distraction from the self to get us all thinking there's some higher power external or superior to us that we have to depend on or submit to.

You know that spontaneous moment of being awake to and fully engaged in reality that I mentioned? All "God" is is just being ourself in any given situation - allowing ourself to think what we really think and feel how we really feel - whether that's happy, sad, depressed, in pain, apathetic, bored, lonely, proud, in love, elated, confused, angry or fed up with it all.... Yet somehow we've built entire religions, spiritual belief systems, theology schools, courses and even entire cultures and subcultures off this one simple thing of just being ourself. I mean, it really is hilarious when you think about it.

Maybe - maybe - religion's value is found in being something we're not because what better way to appreciate something than to not have it for a while? I'm sure it all has its place in the whole scheme of things. But that's the best thing I can say about religion, spirituality and even science (beside the fact that truths are sprinkled throughout them.) Science in this case being the observer or analyzing what is, instead of simply being and experiencing what is. And that brings us to the whole whacky idea of non-attachment. We can't detach from reality and who we are, and is just another conceptual escape mechanism to avoid reality. This is why science, religion and spirituality can never give us the answers we long for, as helpful as they might be in other ways.

That's also why it's not easy to be our authentic self in a world in which we're surrounded by belief and control systems. We're made to feel guilty and even punished for following what we know is good, true and right such as personal freedom, intelligence or respect for ourselves, the planet and the multiverse.... Why is it SO HARD just to do and be what we want? Because of external and internal control mechanisms. We don't even know what we want much of the time and tend to be experts in self-sabotage....

But that is neither here nor there. What I'm trying to figure out is which of these trippy psychic experiences I have are real, and which ones might be artificially manipulated. That's where Omniverse's info comes in. Only I'm not sure how reliable it is. Whether it's true or false, it could possibly be another control mechanism to doubt ourselves and our own experiences.

You dont know me and therefore make judgments on a few words I post,
The serenity prayer is the corner stone of AA of which I was a member for some years.
Sometimes compassion is tough love,
Omni is no doubt experiencing something which he attributes to being controlled.

Im not a member of any religion.
Im only interested in what works.
AA worked for me and millions of others.
I was tortured--self inflicted you might say, by my addiction to Alcohol.
I stopped drinking through AA and the torture stopped.

I certainly do not condone torture.

There is a charity on my signature that helps under privileged kids get a good start in life--this we take for granted.in the West.

My wife founded the charity I am the chairperson
My CV is on there, not that that really matters
Its only an indicator of my values

Im not into victim hood only what relieves or prevents it
Ive been controlled, (by alcoholism) I did not like it, I don't permit it any more.
So at least I am talking from personal experience.


Books like "I am That" by Nasargadatta changed my life.
There is no separate God---a much miss used word--only the energy which we all are.
We came from that, are that and return to that,

I would advise Omni to give himself a month break from being active on the subject of control and see what happens,

Ch

[Omni]

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[greybeard]

Omni is no doubt experiencing something which he attributes to being controlled.
I feel this is NLP wordplay whether you intended it or not. I have been technically controlled, but if you count how much of an opposition I have mounted I am a lot less "controlled" than others... I have witnessed many people controlled. The entire planet is being electronically mind controlled, my last 4 full length films should establish that pretty solidly IMO to anyone who cares to watch them. All it takes is one tiny leap of logic to know a massive tech conspiracy exists. The technology exists. They obviously want mind control capability. Black project technology is ahead of public projects by decades. RF mind hacking has been proven, and will be huge in the future... The only logic you need is 'are they doing psy ops with this tech', which personally i think is rudimentary.


I would advise Omni to give himself a month break from being active on the subject of control and see what happens,

Well I'm working on a book on mind control. And I feel a good one too that has potential to help a lot of people. So this is not feasible or I feel anywhere near good advice. I appreciate your intent though...

As for God, God is perhaps the biggest controlled opposition trait in history IMO. It's a major vector for getting people to kill others. I can see it now:

Evil Being #1: "How can we get good people to kill other good people"
Evil Being #2: "Give them nonsensical mythology on God"

I dont doubt your intent either Omni--Im aware that you have a good heart.
"God" is not the problem its religion, which is divisive and the major cause of war and unrest.

Ch

[Omni]

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[Clear Light]

I feel confident that there really are AI, black ops and mind control programs taking place because I've experienced them myself. I had specific thoughts implanted in my mind, then they were confirmed by multiple channelers, including an Ashtar channeler. These were clearly false (but manipulative) thoughts but I'd like to know how they got into my head and were able to place false info in my path, as well as what I can do to keep that from happening again (beside stay away from channelers.)

They got there by electromagnetic neuroscience and remote neural monitoring. Electronic telepathy technology can implant any conscious energy or thought in existence.

[snip]



Oh, perhaps this is where I can offer some practical "advice" with regards to the appearance of "thoughts" in one's "mind" ?

Isn't it the case that "thoughts" come and go all the time, some times there are none, some times just a few and at other times it may seem like a never ending river of them eh ?

However I'd suggest that this is just the "radiance" or "functioning" of so-called "mind" ... so why not try a little experiment such as "have no interest" with regards to ALL "thoughts" and see what happens ?

Indeed, rather than analysing them, or considering them as "good" or "bad", or "following" them, just kind of "let them be" in their own space ?

Oh, because what I'm getting at is that "you" are not your thoughts, and by adopting a kind of "observer" position towards them, there is the likelihood of one's own "mind" suddenly seeing this and it's like an "aha moment" as one's perspective suddenly shifts such that "thoughts" no longer have the same "hold" over "you" !


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[greybeard]

"But that is neither here nor there. What I'm trying to figure out is which of these trippy psychic experiences I have are real, and which ones might be artificially manipulated. That's where Omniverse's info comes in. Only I'm not sure how reliable it is. Whether it's true or false, it could possibly be another control mechanism to doubt ourselves and our own experiences."

Intuitive fish in response to this

Nothing that comes and goes is # real which is what Clear Light is perhaps pointing to.
Funnily enough most of what you are saying, is found to be true on the "path" to enlightenment.
You are what you are seeking.
Not the concepts belief systems--none of that.
You exist with out having to have an identity of any kind, you are not the persona--realizing this you are not limited in anyway--you can be fully present, as you truly are, in the moment.
What is real is not dependent on any label --analysis, judging, means that you are going into the filing cabinet we call mind, to find comparison and the meaning to words--you have then lost the moment and in the process what you are.
Words are just pointers--they are not actually it.

Ch
Ps
# by real I also mean true--only that which is permanent and unchanging could be considered true.

Language, language--words so misleading--Im not as articulate or as clear as I once was. So apology for any misunderstanding in my comprehension of others words and lacking clarity in my expression.

[greybeard]

Infinite Love is the Only Truth - David Icke

Not New age.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEqhODNFGI

[The Freedom Train]

All in all, I feel like I don't know what to think or to believe in anymore. I feel like I cannot trust my own inner knowing, since it seems to be open to manipulation, and there have been cases of being so sure of something that just didn't turn out at all the way I expected. There is just so much contradiction out there. I cannot say I know what to accept. Much of it seems plausible, but I cannot find myself outright believing anything really. All I have are suspicions and proclivities. Maybe I am a brain in a vat. Maybe this is all an illusion. Maybe I am fighting for my life and I don't even know it. I really have no clue.

[DeDukshyn]

All in all, I feel like I don't know what to think or to believe in anymore. I feel like I cannot trust my own inner knowing, since it seems to be open to manipulation, and there have been cases of being so sure of something that just didn't turn out at all the way I expected. There is just so much contradiction out there. I cannot say I know what to accept. Much of it seems plausible, but I cannot find myself outright believing anything really. All I have are suspicions and proclivities. Maybe I am a brain in a vat. Maybe this is all an illusion. Maybe I am fighting for my life and I don't even know it. I really have no clue.

Definitely progress. :)

[Intuitive Fish]

I hear what you're saying, Freedom Train. I consider myself fairly discerning, but I can still walk straight into a flagrant trap and think it's the best thing since superglue.

But I also think we can know what's true and when we're being manipulated. It just takes a conscious effort to do some research and really think things through; it also requires basic common sense, which, because our minds have been so deluded, enticed and exploited, isn't so common.

It also helps to be willing to admit we don't know something until we get further information. That's how I feel about Omniverse's info. There's just not enough evidence yet for the tech operations. But we'd have to be living in a cave (not that I have anything against living in caves) not to see the blatant systematic infiltration of every major public and private institutionalized establishment.

That principle intelligence agencies, militaries, governments, banks, media, advertising, journalism, public schools, universities, religions, religious organizations, charities... are networked and used to manipulate and control the public should be clear as day.

Currently we're witnessing an increase in whistleblowing and cover-blowing, and that information can now travel fast and globally. So we know mind control operations are happening. That's not even a question.

It would be no surprise to me if there were psychological black ops taking place, since an elite group ruling the masses has been a thing for millennia. Only now the world operators and their sycophants have access to advanced technology.

As far as "God" is concerned, because of the term's inherent hierarchical status, that's going to be a codependent relationship any way you look at it. It's another form of control. And much of New Age spirituality is an offshoot of organized religion. Same with AA.

[Intuitive Fish]

As far as I can tell, the way these mind control programs work is similar to how corporate marketing works.

A company takes a simple new invention (that anyone could invent in their backyard or a "revelation" one could realize just by taking a few conscious minutes to think), they dress it up with all kinds of bells and whistles, slap a patent or some form of ownership on it, create stories about why you desperately need it in your life; then they design entire subcultures around that one simple thing, often destroying it in the process.

Religions and the New Age work just like that, and aren't limited to modern technology. The amount of ridiculousness we've all been sold on is overwhelming, and it's shaped our lifestyles today. We've sacrificed nature, our health, real relationships, community, and of course, thinking for ourselves.

Don't like being called a sheep? How are we not sheep? Awakening is something entirely different than New Age philosophy and isn't limited to spiritual people. In fact, spirituality can be a real distraction.

Waking up and awakening doesn't mean we follow some prescribed, organized or commonly accepted protocol which has been strategized (using a simple truth) behind closed doors by a really smart controlling royal or elite group.

It means dismantling virtually every institutionalized and established belief system, and pushing the boundaries to evolve in better ways. Is that easy? Of course not. Is there risk and opposition involved? Absolutely. But is it worth it? I think so.

It's either that or continue destroying ourselves and the planet just for power and profit. Personally, I've had enough of that. Any privileges that come from it aren't worth the pointless certificate they're printed on.

[Intuitive Fish]

Omniverse, I'm not sure how you feel about Richard Dolan, but his UFO research seems to be well-respected.... I personally consider him a trustworthy source thus far. Anyway, in this video he talks about natural telepathy and remote viewing... which may or may not be something to consider.

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[greybeard]

Intuitive Fish
AA is freedom from the control of addiction
Co dependence, your making me laugh--Why judgment on something you obviously have not experienced first hand?
Chris
PS AA came about because of a spiritual awakening

The Co-founder Bill W had one --up until that time death through alcholism was inevitable--no cure no arresting no recovery.
Religion Dr's Psychiatrists tried without any success.
Bill W had visited Carl Jung the famous Psychiatrist who said "Neither my art nor science can help you".
Incidentally Carl Jung also intended to visit Ramana Maharshi the enlightened sage, whom he called the brightest light in India.

Ch

[Intuitive Fish]

Intuitive Fish
AA is freedom from the control of addiction
Co dependence, your making me laugh--Why judgment on something you obviously have not experienced first hand?
Chris
PS AA came about because of a spiritual awakening

The Co-founder Bill W had one --up until that time death through alcholism was inevitable--no cure no arresting no recovery.
Religion Dr's Psychiatrists tried without any success.
Bill W had visited Carl Jung the famous Psychiatrist who said "Neither my art nor science can help you".
Incidentally Carl Jung also intended to visit Ramana Maharshi the enlightened sage, whom he called the brightest light in India.

Ch

I've got a very, very different viewpoint on AA. While it might help some people recover (its self-claimed success rate is controversial especially compared with other intervention programs) I see it as an organization of abuse.

From what I understand, AA didn't come about from a "spiritual awakening" but from the Temperance Movement. It was all about confessing your sin and getting saved. That's not a spiritual awakening. That's a *required* spiritual conversion that also requires people to *submit* to a higher power.

AA routinely pushed the "alcoholism is a disease" belief so that the medical establishment had no problem working together with AA (along with the support of certain doctors and scientists with conflicts of interest) to begin a megadose of profit. This is the prime reason why AA became so popular and other intervention programs were bought out. Now it's a series of "________s Anonymous" and an indestructible empire.

It's also tied with the state. Judges, lawyers, prisons, school teachers, parents, pastors, employers... force, pressure or coerce people into AA membership (including its fees) against their will. For example, in order for someone to get out of a DUI or keep their job, they have to attend AA. Stories abound from people who have been indoctrinated with spiritual concepts (and spiritual abuse) at AA meetings. This is state-sanctioned religion and a direct violation of the first amendment. That alone should be a red flag.

Not to mention the endless stories of people intimidated, harassed, emotionally and sexually abused... and the surveillance which is an invasion of privacy. Some are coerced into believing they have a chemical addiction when they don't, or they're dealing with a different issue such as a mental illness. Or maybe they're just stressed out. But those stories aren't widely publicized, right? Because AA is a state-sanctioned empire supported by the medical institution controlled by business groups.

It doesn't take a victim of AA to see any of this. How is it not obvious?

[Intuitive Fish]

However I'd suggest that this is just the "radiance" or "functioning" of so-called "mind" ... so why not try a little experiment such as "have no interest" with regards to ALL "thoughts" and see what happens ?

Indeed, rather than analysing them, or considering them as "good" or "bad", or "following" them, just kind of "let them be" in their own space ?

Oh, because what I'm getting at is that "you" are not your thoughts, and by adopting a kind of "observer" position towards them, there is the likelihood of one's own "mind" suddenly seeing this and it's like an "aha moment" as one's perspective suddenly shifts such that "thoughts" no longer have the same "hold" over "you" !


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The electromagnetic neuroscience that Omniverse is talking about uses technology that can implant thoughts without the target knowing they're being implanted. I just happened to notice them one morning as I was in the process of waking up. Otherwise, I would've never known they were there. But I would've wondered later why I felt so self-defeated, stressed, etc.

In fact, I'd say we can't see the vast majority of our thoughts (even in meditation.)

And "observing" our thoughts does nothing to change them anyway, especially if the mind works similar to a biological computer.

[Intuitive Fish]

I agree with most of what you say Intuitive Fish
Illusion is something perceived to be real which is not.
The atom ---which everything is "made of " is less than 1% solid.-The mind filters out the emptiness.
The emptiness is where the" intelligence" lies.
Illusion is belief in separateness-- nothing is actually separate.
What we are is not solid but energy--we inhabit a body for a period of time--where were we before we entered the body and where after the body drops away?
The illusion is death.
The illusion is that we are a personality--which changes from moment to moment, What is permanent unchanging?

Ch

There's that one-sided, solipstic, nihilistic, "oneness" ideology again....

If death is an illusion, you've got a lot of explaining to do to a lot of people who have died and who have lost loved ones. You might just be in for a shocker yourself one day. ;)

Sure, the soul lives on, but the body dies and the body is just as real as the soul. These physical lives and this material reality actually mean something.

This is why the spiritual enlightenment conversation is so empty and unsatisfying. It's not just because enlightened people tend to be hilariously condescending and boastful. It's because the spirituality convo is missing half the equation of reality.

I want to know how you're living out all of those high and mighty theoretical concepts. But that would be boring too without the fear, pain, struggles, questions and honest to goodness real life experiences.

We're not here to live "above" it all or pretend it's an illusion. We're here to experience it.

[greybeard]

The Alcoholics Anonymous Preamble

Copyright © The A.A. Grapevine, Inc.

Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.

The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.

http://www.silkworth.net/aa/preamble.html

The Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous

The relative success of the AA program seems to be due to the fact that an alcoholic who no longer drinks has an exceptional faculty for "reaching" and helping an uncontrolled drinker.

In simplest form, the AA program operates when a recovered alcoholic passes along the story of his or her own problem drinking, describes the sobriety he or she has found in AA, and invites the newcomer to join the informal Fellowship.

The heart of the suggested program of personal recovery is contained in Twelve Steps describing the experience of the earliest members of the Society:

We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Newcomers are not asked to accept or follow these Twelve Steps in their entirety if they feel unwilling or unable to do so.

They will usually be asked to keep an open mind, to attend meetings at which recovered alcoholics describe their personal experiences in achieving sobriety, and to read AA literature describing and interpreting the AA program.

AA members will usually emphasize to newcomers that only problem drinkers themselves, individually, can determine whether or not they are in fact alcoholics.

At the same time, it will be pointed out that all available medical testimony indicates that alcoholism is a progressive illness, that it cannot be cured in the ordinary sense of the term, but that it can be arrested through total abstinence from alcohol in any form.

The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous

During its first decade, AA as a fellowship accumulated substantial experience which indicated that certain group attitudes and principles were particularly valuable in assuring survival of the informal structure of the Fellowship.

In 1946, in the Fellowship's international journal, the AA Grapevine, these principles were reduced to writing by the founders and early members as the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous. They were accepted and endorsed by the membership as a whole at the International Convention of AA, at Cleveland, Ohio, in 1950.

Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon AA unity.
For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority - a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience.
Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
The only requirement for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking.
Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or AA as a whole.
Each group has but one primary purpose-to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
An AA group ought never endorse, finance or lend the AA name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
Every AA group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
AA, as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve
Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films.
Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.

While the Twelve Traditions are not specifically binding on any group or groups, an overwhelming majority of members have adopted them as the basis for AA's expanding "internal" and public relationships.

http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/About-AA/AA-Traditions


Intuitive Fish
Again you do not have first hand experience.

You dome a service as it gives me the chance to point to AA as an ex member who is sober 40years--thats sucess .
AA works for those who work at their individual recovery.

Some people will find the negative in anything that works

Chris

[Intuitive Fish]

Omniverse, if you're still around, I have some questions about mind control technology and DEWS.

I've had this "buzzing" going on in my legs and feet for about a year, and almost constantly the last few days. Also "brain zaps" or electronic shocks. And a lot of inner ear sounds, which I've experienced for about five years... Some people claim that these and similar experiences are part of "awakening symptoms" or OBE's, but that doesn't sound quite right.

I live a relatively remote area and I don't own a cell phone. I also use EMR protecting devices in my home and wear a scalar resonator anklet. As well as use crystals and Argenmesh grounding fabric to protect from artificial EMR.... But for the life of me, I can't figure out what's going on.

Maybe I can't blame the Feds just yet, but doing an internet search revealed long forum threads consisting of people with similar unresolved issues. They've had MRI's, surgeries, and their neurosurgeons can't help them.... I have to say it's a little eery seeing so many people crying out for help with no answers or even responses.

Also, what's the deal with the prevalence of fungal issues? Is that also related?

[greybeard]

The history of Bill W
If you have time read it all--this is a suggestion to anyone reading this thread.

Chris


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_W.

Political beliefs
Wilson strongly advocated that AA groups have not the "slightest reform of political complexion".[23] In 1946, he wrote "No AA group or members should ever, in such a way as to implicate AA, express any opinion on outside controversial issues -- particularly those of politics, alcohol reform or sectarian religion. The Alcoholics Anonymous groups oppose no one. Concerning such matters they can express no views whatever. " Reworded, this became "Tradition 10" for AA.[

[Intuitive Fish]

That's scary, Chris. Even scarier than Directed Energy Weapons of neuroscience, lol.

This part should especially be in question:




We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings....

And this part:


Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics

How does teaching people they're insane, powerless and immoral, and that they need to submit to God (Who's God? Let me guess, someone really, really powerful?) and carry out his will and proselytize others... help anyone?

Again, not saying AA can't help people in spite of spiritual indoctrination and abuse, but the words in that preamble reveal exactly how psych weapons and warfare work. AA could probably write the book on mind control.

[greybeard]

I appreciate where you are coming from Intuitive Fish--bottom line is my life was unmanageable -- I was a suicidal wreck at 25 years of age.
I endured years of absolute hell--my hell was the worst because it happened to me.

My life was turned around I had to admit that my willfulness was killing me that I could not control my life or my drinking--Alcoholics are very rebellious and stubborn.
I still am--not suitable for control lol

The traditions were set up in order that AA could not be subject to outside control or influence.
Its all suggestions no one tells you to do anything.
Members just share what worked for them--no finger pointing.

Research has shown that alcoholics have a slight physical difference in their brain--cant find the link.
I believe it is hereditary.
Both grandfathers had the problem--my half brother too.
I did not know my grand fathers --they were not part of my childhood--My mother and father only drank occasionally--so not learned.

If you are conditioned to see mind control you will see it in everything.
Yes there are possibly people in AA who abused they don't last long there.
Its not there to train people to be saints or anything else, it only has one aim --to get people out of the hell of alcoholism--worked for me and millions

Someone under the influence of alcohol or drugs would be much easier to mind control than a person who is clean and clear of mind.
The whole of society is conditioned to see an enemy out there--thats why there are wars.
The enemy sees you as the enemy--they are conditioned in exactly the same way.

Chris

Ps obviously my view of God has changed--there isn't one as normally defined--separate judgmental out there
Its an energy --which I am. Not separate in anyway.
Ch

[greybeard]

How the elite control the masses.
Published on Oct 2, 2016

Top 4 ways the elite help control the masses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPSShranFc&feature=youtu.be


More here

http://www.transients.info/2016/10/unspun-news-161027/

[Baby Steps]

Free Will is an absolute right that the Universe protects absolutely.

Whatever spiritual construct you prefer, it will upon investigating, furnish help to return to protected sovereign free will.

It responds to the question - 'I feel something is interfering with my freewill, please can I have assistance'

Any clear declaration or affirmation (or divine decree) on this issue will be energised. All interference requires consent at some level.

The most insidious form of 'consent' is the illusion that these powers can override or defeat our freewill.

If we wish to explore that illusion, we come under influence. This experience is , like all experiences a POWERFUL TEACHER

If we decide that we have had enough of that lesson, we can step back into sovreignty.

Omniverse is a great soul, I have this on very good authority.

His journey back to sovereignty is key. They appear to be throwing everything at him. He is exploring and learning. It is a journey that will provide information and insight for all who follow this issue.

So he's like an explorer at the South pole. He will bring back to us invaluable information. We are growing into a much more expansive reality. The information he is providing is key.

God bless

[Rich]

Belief systems are just words, language is a program that is rarely ever questioned - just taken to be true, without words what confusion can there be?
Without words what doubts can we have?
I would say, Spirituality teaches you to quite the mind. New Age is make believe, there is the difference.

[Omni]

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[The Freedom Train]

Omniverse, if you're still around, I have some questions about mind control technology and DEWS. I've had this "buzzing" going on in my legs and feet for about a year, and almost constantly the last few days. Also "brain zaps" or electronic shocks. And a lot of inner ear sounds, which I've experienced for about five years... Some people claim that these and similar experiences are part of "awakening symptoms" or OBE's, but that doesn't sound quite right. I live a relatively remote area and I don't own a cell phone. I also use EMR protecting devices in my home and wear a scalar resonator anklet. As well as use crystals and Argenmesh grounding fabric to protect from artificial EMR.... But for the life of me, I can't figure out what's going on. Maybe I can't blame the Feds just yet, but doing an internet search revealed long forum threads consisting of people with similar unresolved issues. They've had MRI's, surgeries, and their neurosurgeons can't help them.... I have to say it's a little eery seeing so many people crying out for help with no answers or even responses. Also, what's the deal with the prevalence of fungal issues? Is that also related?

Hi, I can't say I have all the answers - but being a seriously targeted individual myself who is always analyzing and reflecting on my own experiences, I feel I have a lot to share. It may be easier to talk on the phone - although if you would feel more comfortable keeping it to messaging on the forum I understand.

Fungal issues, in my opinion, are just another iteration of dis-ease that certain constituitions are susceptible to. I am a fan of homeopathy, but have recently come to the conclusion that the law of similars is wrong in its assumptions. I believe that the way remedies are proven and seem to be effective in treatment has more to do with something I am calling "the law of constitutions" - or possibly I would call it "the law of primary states." The dis-ease, in my opinion, is compirised of various iterations of the same basic irritant for all of us. It is generationally becoming more apparent in physical manifestations from generation to generation - and the more energetically sensitive people are hit the hardest (think ASD, fibromyalgia, autoimmune, chronic lyme, "mental illness," addiction, etc)

I started to think maybe it can be traced back to the invention of the radio and the introduction of EMF into the equation. But really I see dis-ease as reaching further back than that - and I consider "mental illness" to be one of the best manifestations to trace - it can be reported back to the 1400's easily in documentation for instance. There is something much deeper going on here.

I had an epiphany and awakening last monday regarding the value and importance of LOVE in transmutation and the spiritual evolution we must embrace in order to move beyond our current limitations and suffering. It sounds corny and cliche, but based on my intuitive research and analysis, it is the only thing that makes any sense to me. They say that whatever you resist persists. I have seen this time and again when dealing with my sociopathic ex husband in court, as one glaring example in my own life. Another huge example could be - communism in Russia. Then the borg in Star Trek say: "resistance is futile" - so I say, okay yeah you're right. So then what do we do? According to my most recent observations and study (meditation, mantra, self inquiry and analysis) I have found that ALLOWING is highly effective, and is an act of LOVE. I am not saying we have to go out and "love" the person who beats us - asking that of ourselves is disingenuous. There are other ways of working with UNIVERSAL LOVE that I am finding to be not only effective, but also more natural.

My latest realization came late last night while reading about and thinking about homeopathy and the root case of all dis-ease/illness. I believe that any illness you see is an individual rwaction to a common core issue. I have come to the conclusion that the real problem, the root cause that is the deepest core level issue in the 3D, is NOT "FILL IN THE BLANK VIRUS" "EMF" "LIFE ON EARTH" or "PHYSICAL EXISTENCE" but "EVIL" in all of it's forms and iterations (includes division, shame, judgment) - it is the basis for all dis-ease and suffering. And the cure, homeopathically, is not EVIL 30C, which would be the remedy according to the law of similars, but LOVE 10M - according to my own "law of primary state."

In my opinion, the reason why people are not getting help is because the people that are in the know have no vested interest in helping - if there are any humans who are in the know, and I assume there are since MK Ultra is a fact and we know of mind control at the very least - and I strongly suspect that psychotronic warfare as carried out by the shadow government in cahoots w ET's is the reality we are living in. And of course whoever is NOT in the know would think a person complaining of energetic attack is schizophrenic. Did you know that the term "autistic" was first coined in 1911 by a Swiss psychiatrist to describe certain symptoms of schizophrenia???

It seems to me we are living in the midst of an energetic warfare that we cannot see or sense with our physical senses (usually) - and most people have no idea it is happening! And of course for the people that do have some idea or suspicion about it - they can't go public without sounding like a total basket case. Since, how can you prove it really? Our science is not there yet - at least not openly. Diabolical.

As an experiment, try lying down comfortably in bed and say this word over and over to yourself: LOVE. Keep it up for around an hour, and set a timer if you like, although I prefer to just do it until I start falling asleep now. Watch any changes in your body.

I have been playing around with several other self designed mantras, including - "I and my Divine Mother are one" and "I am freeing myself from suffering" - I prefer to understand what I am saying over and over again, so I don't do the hindu stuff, and I like to understand what it is I am invoking when I say it - like, what does it mean? I started with the divine mother mantra, which was a twist on a suggestion from a friend - he told me to say "I and my Divine Father are one" - and I said, gee I don't trust my "Divine Father" - what if he is a Reptilian? So he said, okay, what about Divine Mother instead? So actually that was a co-creative mantra, not one that I came up with by myself. My friend told me to start working with this mantra after one of my most recent and debilitating attacks that left me feeling suicidal with no sense whatsoever of reality or knowing. So when doing the divine mother mantra, I found I liked it and I did glean some excellent energetic shifts from it (for instance my moods very quickly and drastically improved) - but I found that I also was confused by it. What exactly did being one with my Divine Mother entail? And who is my Divine Mother anyway? Is it Gaia? I think so. But anyway, I felt like I wanted to go deeper.

So then I started saying "I am freeing myself from suffering" - since I had most recently felt annoyed by the failure of "helpers on the other side" to answer my pleas for salvation to help free the world. I decided I must have to do it myself. This mantra was very empowering and I did also notice good results when working with it. I liked to do 30 or 60 minute intervals (although lately I have been eschewing regimentation for a more free flow to get time and expectation out of the equation), always lying down comfortably, and observing the energies and tensions in the body - how they move, dissipate, whatever - with non attached awareness. Last night when I did the LOVE mantra, I felt an energetic blockage that I have been aware of in my left leg for the past 4 years leave my body down the leg and out the top of my left foot (the energetic "slug" started in my left buttock near my tail bone and created trace feelings of energetic "shivering" that ran up and down the leg - usually I would notice this shivering present itself when seated in vipassana meditation)

I have also been practicing vipassana still, but in a less regimented way. I was doing five hours a day, and it was becoming too much. I think it was really defeating the purpose. The amazing shifts I noticed at first gave way to a kind of energetic rut where there didn't really seem to be any progress being made day to day - it more felt like I was just playing with energy - chasing it around my body, but not transmuting it...Now, I just do it here and there when I feel so inclined. But I feel much less inclined to do so now. I wonder if this is because my own controlling nature is submitting more to this trend of ALLOWING. I have noticed now that energetic blockages in my body are shifting and changing much more rapidly now that I have relinquished this idea of "making it happen" - which of course is counter to the whole "i am freeing myself from suffering" mantra that I have recently moved away from, in favor of the very simple LOVE mantra. I really do feel like I am on to something here.

I would suggest dispensing with the use of "tools" to ward off and fight against what you are afraid of. In my own personal experience they do not do anything really if you are being targeted. I used to date and live with a man who had practically every device under the sun - since he not only worked with them as a clairvoyant, but also distributed them. They did not stop the attacks for me. And I tried everything I could think of. And when I began REALLY waking up, and the attacks got much worse, then I really began to see how sadly inept these things are in dealing with this. If anything, they seem to be like you're "asking for it" - the resistance leads to more attack. For some reason, non-resistance and allowing with non-attached awareness (LOVE) seems to be the most effective way of dealing with this stuff that I have so far discovered.

I do believe that feeling empowered is important. I believe that dispelling fear is essential. I began by dispelling my fear with a feeling of personal power, in that I discovered I was able to dissolve an etheric implant (my clairvoyant friend saw it as a control box in my head) while seated in meditation. I was elated, and went from feeling fearful and hopeless to empowered and invincible. But then the next stumbling block became, not FEAR, but CONTROL and RESISTANCE. So now the new thing for me, I find, is fearless non-resistance and allowing. This is my act of LOVE that seems to be breaking down barriers and dissolving energies that I have been observing and chasing around inside of me for years now.

I am curious to hear your thoughts, and look forward to more discussion in the future.

[Intuitive Fish]

Chris, I believe you that AA helped you recover and turn your life around. And that is a significant thing. It's a truly beautiful and wonderful triumph to move past addiction and no longer want to end your life....

My calling out issues with AA, and specifically what I see as religious indoctrination, control and abuse preying off vulnerable people in the form of intervention... in no way undermines any help you might have received from that particular organization.

And I trust you know while you had help along the way, ultimately it was you who did the recovering, it was you who made that decision, reached out for help and you're the one that continues to remain in that state....


Baby Steps, excellent point about Omniverse's journey back to sovereignty and helping us with the same.


The Freedom Train, good stuff. I'm still not convinced with the "allowing" part, just as I'm not convinced that allowing certain thoughts does anything to change them. I might've spent too many years believing things would magically change without focused and deliberate action on my part.

But yes, relaxing and staying calm might be the only way to think clearly in order to figure out what to do about it.

I more annoyed with all of this buzzing, zapping and constant sounds than anything else. I'm not afraid of it. I'm not worried... although there's nothing wrong with legitimate fear and anger.... Sometimes I even laugh about it.... I just want to know what it is! I need answers, haha. Thank you, Ominiverse for that, and I'm definitely open to more information as it comes.

[Intuitive Fish]

The whole of society is conditioned to see an enemy out there--thats why there are wars.
The enemy sees you as the enemy--they are conditioned in exactly the same way.

Chris


Yes, but it's important to distinguish between someone who believes they need to pound on your head with a hammer and the fact that they actually are pounding on your head with a hammer.

No amount of belief is going to change that, and that ideology only blames the victim for not disbelieving or ignoring it hard enough.

[Intuitive Fish]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I am saying nobody is left out from these technologies. For example your previous post was quite right about them implanting thoughts undetected. One tactic they use is to implant very distinct and convincing conscious energies to define experiences to the unwitting target. These can be very effectively used under a psychic ESP cover story. There are conscious energies for all premises in existence, so they can go wild implanting agenda driven conscious energies.

Okay, so you're saying this is a worldwide occurrence? From your view, are these technologies coming through satellites, TV's, cell phone towers, wifi, etc? Or are they just out there in the ether mingling with radio and microwave frequencies...? Are they a constant bombardment to the whole population? Or are specific stories directed at specific individuals?

Also, does it seem like there's an increase in the amount of targeted individuals? Or are they just becoming more accepted, so more people feel safe to speak out?

And one last question. Who might you say is ultimately behind these technologies? It seems like mind control has been around for a very long time, before this more advanced technology. If so, who was behind it thousands of years ago?

Oh, and also, would you say there's a difference between natural electromagnetic energies and artificially produced energy?

Hope that isn't too many questions. Be glad you didn't know me as a child! It was why, why, why... everything.

[greybeard]

The whole of society is conditioned to see an enemy out there--thats why there are wars.
The enemy sees you as the enemy--they are conditioned in exactly the same way.

Chris


Yes, but it's important to distinguish between someone who believes they need to pound on your head with a hammer and the fact that they actually are pounding on your head with a hammer.

No amount of belief is going to change that, and that ideology only blames the victim for not disbelieving or ignoring it hard enough.

I dont go touching a hot iron--I dont walk in front of buses--I dont jump off cliffs, I know what is going to happen If I do.

I let go of fear as I know what will happen if I dont.
Fear, anxiety produces toxins in the body.
No acceptance, of what is, produces anxiety, produces, adrenalin, produces all kinds of unwanted side effects
Common senses is required --If I stand still in front of an oncoming bus Fear, anxiety will happen--I can move out of the way or not if I am suicidal.
Even then the bus driver may avoid hitting me.

Attempt to control very often comes through fear of the unknown--something out there out to get "me".
Hence the video I posted on the way the elite control us.

Fear also attracts what you are frightened off.

I dont have fear now, at one time it was so extreme I attempted suicide to get rid of it.

Now I know the fear was in my imagination--(David Icke video)

Fear is gone, but I dont step in front of buses--im not dumbed down I just know what is life supporting and what is not.
TPTB love to keep you in fear they promote it--the fear will kill you before any device will.
Imagination is deadly
Only unconditional love is real--the rest is illusion. (David Icke)
Thats not human love, which falls short of unconditional

The great majority cant think out of the box--they fall for the promotion of fear--the media is full of it.

There is the old story of seeing a snake in the dark and recoiling in fear from it--on shining a light it is seen to be a rope.
Imagination created the fear which was very real--not the rope.

TPTB dont have to have mind control devices --just need you to think they have--same result. (Im not saying they dont but imagination multiplies any affect they may or may not have)

Chris

[Omni]

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[Hazelfern]

Would anyone else like to see some of greybeard's and Intuitive Fish's comments peeled off and start another thread? Something like: 'Addiction and the business of recovery' Or, 'The business of addiction and recovery' ? I would have a few things to share.

Has forum life been talked about within this thread? Certainly not this forum thank goodness but I can say for sure that other forums will ping you, remote view you, and wake you in the middle of the night with a 'Tah Dah!!!' on volume 10 if you do not fall in line and agree with their creator.

Edit > it was the Windows 95 error sound on volume 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkjRkSdVQu8

[greybeard]

Chris, I believe you that AA helped you recover and turn your life around. And that is a significant thing. It's a truly beautiful and wonderful triumph to move past addiction and no longer want to end your life....

My calling out issues with AA, and specifically what I see as religious indoctrination, control and abuse preying off vulnerable people in the form of intervention... in no way undermines any help you might have received from that particular organization.

And I trust you know while you had help along the way, ultimately it was you who did the recovering, it was you who made that decision, reached out for help and you're the one that continues to remain in that state....


Baby Steps, excellent point about Omniverse's journey back to sovereignty and helping us with the same.


The Freedom Train, good stuff. I'm still not convinced with the "allowing" part, just as I'm not convinced that allowing certain thoughts does anything to change them. I might've spent too many years believing things would magically change without focused and deliberate action on my part.

But yes, relaxing and staying calm might be the only way to think clearly in order to figure out what to do about it.

I more annoyed with all of this buzzing, zapping and constant sounds than anything else. I'm not afraid of it. I'm not worried... although there's nothing wrong with legitimate fear and anger.... Sometimes I even laugh about it.... I just want to know what it is! I need answers, haha. Thank you, Ominiverse for that, and I'm definitely open to more information as it comes.

With respect you are mistaken Intuitive Fish.
Yes, in any large group there will be people who will abuse and try to get you to join other groups ie their religion.
AA traditions was set up to avoid any kind of outside influence.
It has one purpose and that is to help people recover from the killer disease called Alcoholism.

AA uses the term God of your understanding a power greater than your self.
It even works for non believers--they substitute the local group collective as a higher power.

Its true that I had to do the work but I needed the support and direction of those who had successfully overcome their alcoholism.
No one told me what to do--I picked up on what had worked for others and used that.
The disease is described as cunning and baffling and very patient.

I have seen people arrive at a meeting in a terrible state--they had been sober sometimes for twenty years and for no particular reason had had just one drink a week previous and all of a sudden they were drinking as much as ever. They did not go back to where they first began to drink but where they had left off twenty years back.

Every organization with people in it will fall short of its ideals. Thats not the fault of the fellowship of AA, AA works for millions of people.

I played in a rock band in my teens and then in my early twenties several of the young people I had played with died of Alcoholism--yet I continued to drink.
Believe me will power does not help.
Many strong willed successful people and not so, end up in AA. The Illness has no respecter of personal status.
I owe my life to AA--thats it. I could not do it on my own--I tried often enough.

Chris

[Omni]

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[Intuitive Fish]

AA traditions was set up to avoid any kind of outside influence....

AA uses the term God of your understanding a power greater than your self.
It even works for non believers--they substitute the local group collective as a higher power.

Well, of course they do. If that doesn't scream "cult-like control" at the expense of personal sovereignty, I'm not sure what does?


And great point about the dangers of being controlled by fear (including the fear of the great "killer disease of alcoholism" I hope?)

But it seems to forget the equally valid healthy fear - the kind that keeps you from getting hit by a bus or say, being controlled by malevolent entities whose primary intent is to control your life for their own benefits.

[Intuitive Fish]

Why has this thread gone into an Alcoholic Anonymous trend? The topic is about New Age Psychological Operations...

We seem to have gone off topic. Apologies! Although I see AA as a form of religious/spiritual psych operations.

It's interesting that you brought up shamans and shamanic philosophies because I've wondered the same thing. There are definitely some suspicious similarities. But once again, it's just another example of mixing helpful truths with false ideologies and self-destructive rituals....

And that's the most frustrating aspect of this topic for me: Figuring out what's true and real, and what's disinfo. But then I guess like all good things, that requires some conscious thought, effort and a willingness to scrutinize what's commonly accepted by others, at the risk of appearing to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

[greybeard]

Omni Im not sorry the thread went into AA.
It went there because ACIM was knocked as a control device and then so was AA.

Im sorry that Intuitive Fish cant see that far from controlling AA gives back the freedom to be one self
.
Since I got sober I got the confidence to be a sports champion, run several successful businesses including a complimentary health center.
Eventually the main business failed and I now live a one bedroom small council house and I dont mind Im content and in control of my life, no one else is.
No one blamed.

Alcoholism is as real as being hit by a bus believe me and unavoidable in my case--I was one from the first drink I had.

Im sorry Omni you feel its off topic but it might just save one person reading this from the horrors of active alcoholism.
So anyone reading this who feels their life out of their control through excessive drinking , please investigate AA and other self help groups.

Alcoholism is not to be feared, its an illness--you can do something about it.
I did.

Chris

[TargeT]

This seems like it belongs here:

Video should start at 32m15s
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They can predict decisions based on brain scans... remote EEG scanning may be "a thing" as well (or maybe not, I haven't seen any actual evidence) (https://www.reddit.com/r/neuroscience/comments/4k3p26/is_remote_brain_scanning_possible/)

either way.. that's an interesting drop in the public sphere..

[Omni]

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[Bob]

Do you ever remember seeing my thread in General on Countermeasures?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62967-Beamed-Easy-way-to-get-some-relief-COUNTER-MEASURES&p=724758&viewfull=1#post724758

it's an old thread but it gets into how all that mind-stuff is done, conceptually, showing how to neutralize it all, using a passive tool.. Covers longitudinal, microwave, scalar, gauss field, and costs about < 1$ to make.. Crazy that it takes them millions of dollars to create annoyance devices, assaults when the solution is pennies.. No tin-foil hat stuff here.. Just simple traps to suck out of the environment assaults, and if desired to turn the tables on the assaulter if one is so inclined..

[Bluegreen]

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