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mojo
27th September 2016, 21:35
I did the test, and maybe there's a trick to it, because surprised by getting it right less then 15 seconds into the images being shown on screen. Try it out for yourself and see if you get it...
Please don't tell the correct answer so that other members can try to guess.

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samildamach
27th September 2016, 23:00
Lol mojo the correct one jumped out at me straight away before the started projecting and would not go away so I stuck with it.so can I call zero seconds on this plz

DeDukshyn
27th September 2016, 23:17
Well one correct answer is a small sample. :) But either they're good projectors or I was able to receive the answer despite their projection - it worked for me - even after I initially set my mind on the wrong one - after the projection "part" the right one became obvious to me before the end. Is there more of these? :)

Carmody
28th September 2016, 02:14
Lol mojo the correct one jumped out at me straight away before the started projecting and would not go away so I stuck with it.so can I call zero seconds on this plz

Same here.

But this is not telepathy, it's temporal sensing.

Which is tied to dimensional capacities.

And, it is one out of 5 for a 20% chance, so that's not much of a test either.

However (in further logic), random numbers are evidentially not possible. Meaning the idea of random number generation in scientific protocols ---is a bust.

ThePythonicCow
28th September 2016, 02:51
However (in further logic), random numbers are evidentially not possible. Meaning the idea of random number generation in scientific protocols ---is a bust.
In the pure mathematical sense, I suspect you're right - random numbers are not possible.

However in various practical uses, such as cryptography, statistical modeling, and lotteries, what matters are such practical measures as:

whether your cryptography adversary can gain a practical advantage (crack your secred code) by leveraging the imperfections of random number generator you're using,
whether your statistical model or experiment suffers from some significant bias due to a weakness in your random number generator, or
whether some participants in a lottery can gain an unfair advantage from such weaknesses.

TargeT
28th September 2016, 02:55
However (in further logic), random numbers are evidentially not possible. Meaning the idea of random number generation in scientific protocols ---is a bust.
In the pure mathematical sense, I suspect you're right - random numbers are not possible.

However in various practical uses, such as cryptography, statistical modeling, and lotteries, what matters are such practical measures as:

whether your cryptography adversary can gain a practical advantage (crack your secred code) by leveraging the imperfections of random number generator you're using,
whether your statistical model or experiment suffers from some significant bias due to a weakness in your random number generator, or
whether some participants in a lottery can gain an unfair advantage from such weaknesses.


we spend a lot of research money looking for a TRUE RNG (the military) so.. keep that in mind, weaknesses are known and enough computing power can do amazing things... we (well, the DOE) have the computing power.

ThePythonicCow
28th September 2016, 03:48
we spend a lot of research money looking for a TRUE RNG (the military) so.. keep that in mind, weaknesses are known and enough computing power can do amazing things... we (well, the DOE) have the computing power.
Computing power has its limits. The US Military/Intelligence complex may have hundreds, or thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, more compute power than civilian or other players have (not counting China or CERN here), but some problems would still take longer than the expected remaining life time of our solar system to solve.

The random number generator that I developed and use personally takes input from some 20 sources, about 10 of them genuinely independent, with perhaps 20 to 50 bits of entropy per source, hashing the combined result with one of the SHA-3 (Keccak) message digests, for a minimum (seat of the pants guess here) of 200 bits of entropy. If someone had to guess the value of such a random number by means of brute force computation, and if they had a computer that had say a million cores, each core running at 4 GHz and each core able to check a guess each clock cycle, that's only 4 billion million guesses per second. or about 22 + 30 + 20 == 252. So it would take them 2200 - 52 == 2148 seconds.

2148 seconds is 11,306,997,123,418,910,316,471,624,072,983,143,253 years.

That's a long time.

Notice the technique. No one of my sources is all that great, but taking a strong hash (message digest) of the concatenation of multiple sources, with fair to excellent independence between many of the sources, cranks out some serious randomness, meaning many bits of unguessable entropy, unless the system or its operators or developers have been compromised.

TargeT
28th September 2016, 04:03
we spend a lot of research money looking for a TRUE RNG (the military) so.. keep that in mind, weaknesses are known and enough computing power can do amazing things... we (well, the DOE) have the computing power.
Computing power has its limits. The US Military/Intelligence complex may have hundreds, or thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, more compute power than civilian or other players have (not counting China or CERN here), but some problems would still take longer than the expected remaining life time of our solar system to solve.

The random number generator that I developed and use personally takes input from some 20 sources, about 10 of them genuinely independent, with perhaps 20 to 50 bits of entropy per source, hashing the combined result with one of the SHA-3 (Keccak) message digests, for a minimum (seat of the pants guess here) of 200 bits of entropy. If someone had to guess the value of such a random number by means of brute force computation, and if they had a computer that had say a million cores, each core running at 4 GHz and each core able to check a guess each clock cycle, that's only 4 billion million guesses per second. or about 22 + 30 + 20 == 252. So it would take them 2200 - 52 == 2148 seconds.

2148 seconds is 11,306,997,123,418,910,316,471,624,072,983,143,253 years.

That's a long time.

Notice the technique. No one of my sources is all that great, but taking a strong hash (message digest) of the concatenation of multiple sources, with fair to excellent independence between many of the sources, cranks out some serious randomness, meaning many bits of unguessable entropy, unless the system or its operators or developers have been compromised.

27 petaFLOPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(supercomputer)) Titan is what we allow the "public" to use... so... ;)

if your using a computer with a quartz based clock (yeah.. most of em) we got your RNG number! (so to speak)

ThePythonicCow
28th September 2016, 04:25
27 petaFLOPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(supercomputer)) Titan is what we allow the "public" to use... so... ;)

That's a few times faster than the capacity of the million core, 4 GHz, computer that I hypothesized, capable of some 252 checks per second ... if (big if) it could perform one entire check per core, per clock.

So yes, you've pwned my random number ... in 11,306,997,123,418,910,316,471,624,072,983,143,253 years (give or take a few bazillion years), using that Titan. I presume that the secret stuff is not more than a few hundred or thousand or million times faster. Even if it were a trillion trillion times faster, that still gives me 11,306,997,123,418 years to make my get-away ... that should be enough time.

TargeT
28th September 2016, 04:59
27 petaFLOPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(supercomputer)) Titan is what we allow the "public" to use... so... ;)

That's a few times faster than the capacity of the million core, 4 GHz, computer that I hypothesized, capable of some 252 checks per second ... if (big if) it could perform one entire check per core, per clock.

So yes, you've pwned my random number ... in 11,306,997,123,418,910,316,471,624,072,983,143,253 years (give or take a few bazillion years), using that Titan. I presume that the secret stuff is not more than a few hundred or thousand or million times faster. Even if it were a trillion trillion times faster, that still gives me 11,306,997,123,418 years to make my get-away ... that should be enough time.

its not the speed alone, its the algorithms.. RNG is not random at all, not really. there are certain things to look for & when found maths can be applied to speed the process.

Cryptology has been around for a while.

I don't personally know of anything faster than Titan, but I know the jackass project manger for it (former boss of mine.. haha)... & I'm sure we employ far more talented people on the important non-public stuff.

kirolak
28th September 2016, 06:11
I got it even before the presenters started speaking, for what that's worth. . .

Fairy Friend
28th September 2016, 06:22
Lol that was fun. Different but fun.

EFO
28th September 2016, 10:45
There is a still image before starting the video,but in the video were two clues which lead me to chose the answer.Sorry,I was just curious.

Soup
28th September 2016, 18:16
I knew I'd get it wrong lol

TargeT
28th September 2016, 18:42
I knew I'd get it wrong lol

so you are a psychic!

kirolak
28th September 2016, 20:48
There must be some sort of subtle direction towards the correct choice, no-one I tried this on had any problem choosing the right shape even before the presenters finished their intro. . . ??

Sunny-side-up
29th September 2016, 11:05
Very interesting.

before the test I was drawn too 2 symbols, then had strong feelings for another with a touch of second symbol but then settled for a symbol by which time I had total dismissed the 2 first choices i had


I was analysing rather than opening my inner-self up, so by the end of the test the symbol with the least strength to it was actuality the actual answers symbol:)

petra
30th September 2016, 17:03
I picked the one that it felt like was looking at me, and I was wrong. Oh well...

conk
30th September 2016, 17:55
Symbol, what symbol. All I saw were those beautiful eyes and luscious hair. And the girl is kind of cute too. ;)