Elon Musk - Making Humanity A Multiplanetary Species

[Star Tsar]

Space X

Making Humanity A Multiplanetary Species

Published 27th September 2016 / Recorded 27th September 2016 @ International Astronaut Congress, Guadalajara, Mexico

Space X founder & CEO Elon Musk discusses the long term technical challenges that need to be solved to support the creation of a permanent self sustaining presence on Mars,
This technical presentation focuses on potential architectures for sustaining humans on the red planet that industry, government and the scientific community can collaborate on in the years to come.

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[ozmirage]

Mars Boondoggle
. . .
Don’t mistake my dislike for the proposed Mars mission as a stand against space exploration. A manned mission to Mars is a boondoggle and only good for propaganda.

The fact that it takes so much fuel / resources to climb out of a gravity well, that it makes no sense to “crawl down another one.” We should be incrementally building outer space infrastructure, as in robust orbital stations, complete with facilities to generate 1G for long term occupation.

Why Aren’t We Colonizing Outer Space?

Under current government dominated space operations, it is reasonable to expect hardly any progress. That is not the fault of the proposal nor of the engineering. There is no reason for terrestrial governments to underwrite orbital colonies. And they run away from any hint of autonomous space colonies that by their very nature would cease to be subjects of a government millions of miles distant - and possibly even decades* apart.
(*Using the Interplanetary Transport Network, “surfing gravity” takes little or no fuel, but is slow.)

We must have private enterprise in outer space, not the government.

How Do We “Afford” Space Colonization?

The key point is not to use humans in space to build the requisite vessels, processed minerals and colonies. Instead, use autonomous, self replicating robotic fabricators "seeded" across the solar system. There’s a fusion reactor nearby; 24/7. There’s plenty of raw material - every element, in fact. As these “Queen Ants” geometrically multiply and incrementally build bigger tools and machines, they will fulfill the need for processed materials, hulls, storage tanks, machinery and space vessels.

Once a colony is completed, and parked into orbit near Earth - then launch humans, and other biomass (seeds and fertilized ova). Establish habitats. Once staffed and commissioned, then "surf gravity" to a new orbit, and repeat the process with a new colony. There’s plenty of space in outer space, resources, and power - for at least another 5000 years or more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization
http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/
http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/Basics/wwwwh.html#why
“The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.”

[Carmody]

When trying to sell land to colonizers, or proposing such to people, you have to wrap the thing in colors and shapes they can not just understand, but actually make it to.

Elon is proposing to drop the costs by a magnitude of 5. Which is not just possible, but real. His goal, is attainable. His math is correct. The science is here, now.

He is just about the only thing that can come 'round the back of this technological block and light an actual fuse in the ass of those who are hiding and holding high level technology from us. Every day Elon moves forward is another day that those breakaway groups have less rope and less room to hide.

If you are trying to break down the door of what is holding back humanity, don't just knock on the front door and the windows, circle round the back and beat on the back door as well. Remove all possible avenues of denial and all possible potential blocks..... with a real and actual position that produces results... that cannot be toppled, twisted away, or denied.

For human value systems the goal must be solidly in the given single lifetime. Otherwise the overall human contribution will be too low for the effort to be viable. People invest in families as they want their children to grow up. It's part of our natural wiring which forms our thinking process.

To speak on orbital platforms and whatnot, before mars..... is to do things reasonable, in many ways, but there are a few problems with that.

Heavy cargoes of materiel and also asteroids that have been moved into position, and so on, are all not as visceral and direct as what Elon is proposing, and also not as close in time, nor within the realm of human logic concerning government allowance of proximity of ELE (Extinction Level Event) type weapons, ELE devices such as human controlled asteroids in close proximity to the earth. Basically... that sort of thinking re-complicates the emergent clarity of Elon's directions. It pushes space further away again, just when clarity and act are converging.

In simplified logic, logic which works with the narrow constraints of how humans as a group think, Elon's plan of action fits what is possible and likely. He is the only person who is making it real at this time and is not offering platitudes and crap that would be waved in front of you.... until you lose interest and go away.

We don't care about which corner of the house of the enemy starts burning, as long as the god damn thing is lit and burning. No one else is making any part of this thing ignite in a real way, with motions and acts that humans can believe in and see happening.

And that is the part that is to be pursued -- the thing that works in a real world system, through all the real world hurdles. The closer it comes to reality, the more energy and steam it gathers, the more likely all the other associated potentials...become. Elon is committed, he's developing the technologies, for real, you can see them coming into shape in front of you, right now, today. he's doing the work, for real. In that, he makes all the other potentials real. Ideas and invention are great but is is hardware and infrastructure that makes things real and that takes effort and time, and Elon has all those critical components in the game, today, now.

People on mars brings orbital stations closer to reality in the now. Pursuing orbital platforms and whatnot today, and ignoring mars...reinvigorates and expands complexities that push space much further away from the now. It really is that simple.

As well, note that Elon is concerned about human beings becoming multi-planet, as a safeguard. The base reason he speaks of on this subject, every time he opens his mouth when publicly speaking on space. It is the very first thing out of his mouth in the video above. It's impossible to miss, unless a person is not listening and not using their head. Ie, the animal produces offspring. The cell divides. The bottom most rung of 'life' as we understand it. The threats he sees to stopping, breaking, or preventing such endeavor, are real. Every day he gets closer to his goal is another step toward overall human viability. He's not wrong.

Basically, all verbose and undeveloped proposals that are not what Elon is doing, are "push it back another 20 years, push it back another 20 years, push it back another 20 years"... and are all.....whether you see it or not... weapons of denial.

We are moving into electric cars, because of Elon. Never forget that. when Elon started Tesla, there was nothing. He, at that time, called the hydrogen car promise 'liedrogen', as it was a lie.... a lie that was always pushed over the horizon into being a dream we were always walking toward but never achieving (the 'oil-war-oligarchy-black ops-black technology' block).

He forced it -this open public face of real overall human change for the overall group- ...though a plan, action, and will, and the ability to adapt through the issues and problems that arose that blocked him, and the ability to gather similar thinking people around him, in order to get that done. To help create the force of nature that is becoming electric cars and an energy industry that is changing.

Elon's path through the complex scenario is the one that worked, in igniting the forces and actions that we required. As he has said repeatedly, it really does not matter what happens to Tesla, as long as the rest of it becomes real. Tesla must push on in the face of all adversity, so as to be the poster child for change, in any way it can. How much further away would the viability of a new energy economy be right now, if Elon had not pushed things forward? 10 years? 20 years? How many millions of lives and species and environments did Elon help save, regarding the eventual outcome..when he began down that road? Where would things be right now if he had not excited the 'change fervor' and helped (by action) incite functional parallel directions, in others? Monkeys see..and monkeys do.... we needed a poster-child and he became it ---as he saw the need for it. Elon has provided and is providing an all important ignition and initiation of act and reality.

How much do you want space and an open functional human future, and a future for the species and environment of earth? Today, tomorrow, 20 years from now, 50 years from now?

How dead and dying will the earth and it's issues be, in the meantime? How do we get to the technologies required to fix the earth, soon enough in time, to be able to fix this mess? We are in the opening stages of the earth's 6th extinction level event.

Help him, or die on an extinction level vine in an obscure corner of a downturned and denied future. That's the shape of things at this time, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

Seems like we have alot of people on the band wagon to settle Mars etc. lately.
The problem I see with this is we get to Mars set up a permanent colony and an asteroid takes it out OR many other catastrophes.

Why is it so important to put people on Mars or any other rock? Seems like it's for profit and not much else.

I understand we have the technology BUT why not use that technology to make earth the safest planet and then once this is completed why not travel the universe....

Just sayin....
chancy

[ozmirage]

Why is it so important to put people on Mars or any other rock? Seems like it's for profit and not much else.

It is important for the survival of the human species.

"The Big Banging Theory"
YEAR . . . Population . . Doubling rate (years)
2014 . . . 7.200E+09 . . . . 50 . . . . . . . . 60 . . . . . . . . . . 70
Future . . . Yrs. Diff. . . . Population
2050 . . . . 36 . . . . . . . . 1.186E+10 . . 1.091E+10 . . 1.028E+10
2100 . . . . 86 . . . . . . . . 2.372E+10 . . 1.945E+10 . . 1.687E+10
2200 . . . . 186 . . . . . . . 9.488E+10 . . 6.173E+10 . . 4.542E+10
2300 . . . . 286 . . . . . . . 3.795E+11 . . 1.960E+11 . . 1.223E+11
2400 . . . . 386 . . . . . . . 1.518E+12 . . 6.222E+11 . . 3.291E+11
2500 . . . . 486 . . . . . . . 6.072E+12 . . 1.975E+12 . . 8.858E+11
3000 . . . . 986 . . . . . . . 6.218E+15 . . 6.372E+14 . . 1.252E+14
4000 . . . . 1986 . . . . . . 6.520E+21 . . 6.629E+19 . . 2.500E+18
5000 . . . . 2986 . . . . . . 6.837E+27 . . 6.896E+24 . . 4.994E+22
6000 . . . . 3986 . . . . . . 7.169E+33 . . 7.174E+29 . . 9.973E+26

Just think - if population doubling rate remains constant at 50 years, humanity may pass 6.520 E+21 in 4000 A.D.
That's 6.52 Sextillion people. Woo-hoo.
(We’re going to need quite a number of giant space habitats in orbit around Sol.)
. . .

I'd rather we expand into outer space than decimate the population on a resource depleted planet.

[bettye198]

Hasn't this all happened already with military bases there on Mars? Further, should we believe the testimony of the whistleblowers ( forgive me, Bill may have interviewed them) that said they had the technology to "walk thru a doorway" and arrive at Mars?

[chancy]

Why is it so important to put people on Mars or any other rock? Seems like it's for profit and not much else.

It is important for the survival of the human species.

"The Big Banging Theory"
YEAR . . . Population . . Doubling rate (years)
2014 . . . 7.200E+09 . . . . 50 . . . . . . . . 60 . . . . . . . . . . 70
Future . . . Yrs. Diff. . . . Population
2050 . . . . 36 . . . . . . . . 1.186E+10 . . 1.091E+10 . . 1.028E+10
2100 . . . . 86 . . . . . . . . 2.372E+10 . . 1.945E+10 . . 1.687E+10
2200 . . . . 186 . . . . . . . 9.488E+10 . . 6.173E+10 . . 4.542E+10
2300 . . . . 286 . . . . . . . 3.795E+11 . . 1.960E+11 . . 1.223E+11
2400 . . . . 386 . . . . . . . 1.518E+12 . . 6.222E+11 . . 3.291E+11
2500 . . . . 486 . . . . . . . 6.072E+12 . . 1.975E+12 . . 8.858E+11
3000 . . . . 986 . . . . . . . 6.218E+15 . . 6.372E+14 . . 1.252E+14
4000 . . . . 1986 . . . . . . 6.520E+21 . . 6.629E+19 . . 2.500E+18
5000 . . . . 2986 . . . . . . 6.837E+27 . . 6.896E+24 . . 4.994E+22
6000 . . . . 3986 . . . . . . 7.169E+33 . . 7.174E+29 . . 9.973E+26

Just think - if population doubling rate remains constant at 50 years, humanity may pass 6.520 E+21 in 4000 A.D.
That's 6.52 Sextillion people. Woo-hoo.
(We’re going to need quite a number of giant space habitats in orbit around Sol.)
. . .

I'd rather we expand into outer space than decimate the population on a resource depleted planet.

Hello Ozmirage:
With all the wars going on and other devious ways to reduce population we are not going to get to the figures you are posting.
It's a grand idea but won't happen.
chancy

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
The only thing I see if publicity for Elon Musk and Hawking. It keeps them in the news and high profile.
They're not the only ones using technology to keep in our faces.
Look at the royal family in England. Now they're having a wonderul time in Canada at Canadians expense. Why not pay their own way for them and there followers with them?
Since we can already take ET home according to the former leader of skunk works why not use that technology instead of wasting more money on rockets etc.
IF people want to move to another rock why not take them there in style and safety instead of using the slow boat to another home?

Another idea where some people get rich and laugh at us that pay.
Time we used what we really have in technology and quit financing everything such as moving to mars.
We the people who have already paid more than enough....
chancy

[ozmirage]

Why is it so important to put people on Mars or any other rock? Seems like it's for profit and not much else.

It is important for the survival of the human species.

"The Big Banging Theory"
YEAR . . . Population . . Doubling rate (years)
2014 . . . 7.200E+09 . . . . 50 . . . . . . . . 60 . . . . . . . . . . 70
Future . . . Yrs. Diff. . . . Population
2050 . . . . 36 . . . . . . . . 1.186E+10 . . 1.091E+10 . . 1.028E+10
2100 . . . . 86 . . . . . . . . 2.372E+10 . . 1.945E+10 . . 1.687E+10
2200 . . . . 186 . . . . . . . 9.488E+10 . . 6.173E+10 . . 4.542E+10
2300 . . . . 286 . . . . . . . 3.795E+11 . . 1.960E+11 . . 1.223E+11
2400 . . . . 386 . . . . . . . 1.518E+12 . . 6.222E+11 . . 3.291E+11
2500 . . . . 486 . . . . . . . 6.072E+12 . . 1.975E+12 . . 8.858E+11
3000 . . . . 986 . . . . . . . 6.218E+15 . . 6.372E+14 . . 1.252E+14
4000 . . . . 1986 . . . . . . 6.520E+21 . . 6.629E+19 . . 2.500E+18
5000 . . . . 2986 . . . . . . 6.837E+27 . . 6.896E+24 . . 4.994E+22
6000 . . . . 3986 . . . . . . 7.169E+33 . . 7.174E+29 . . 9.973E+26

Just think - if population doubling rate remains constant at 50 years, humanity may pass 6.520 E+21 in 4000 A.D.
That's 6.52 Sextillion people. Woo-hoo.
(We’re going to need quite a number of giant space habitats in orbit around Sol.)
. . .

I'd rather we expand into outer space than decimate the population on a resource depleted planet.

Hello Ozmirage:
With all the wars going on and other devious ways to reduce population we are not going to get to the figures you are posting.
It's a grand idea but won't happen.
chancy
BioWar is on going.
Despite all the shooting wars going on, some populations are growing stupendously.
They are generally in non-socialist countries, though.

Europe has 19 of the 20 "oldest" countries, where the elderly population is booming while the birthrate is tanking.

Whereas in many Muslim countries, the birthrates are far higher. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate

Top Three:
Niger, Mali, and Uganda, which have a 45-46%
Niger : 46.12% . . . ranked #1. . . 16 yr doubling rate
(Rich) Kuwait : 20.26% . . . . ranked: 84th
(Poor) India : 19.89% . . . . ranked : 86th. . 36 yr doubling rate
(Poor) Mexico : 19.02% . . . . ranked: 91st . . 38 yr doubling rate
(Rich) Saudi Arabia : 18.78% . . . ranked: 96th
World Average : 19.4% . . . . . . . . 37 yr doubling rate
USA: 13.42% . . . . ranked: 150th . . . 53 yr doubling rate
United Kingdom : 12.22% . . . ranked: 160th
Sweden: 11.92% . . . ranked: 167th . . . 60 yr doubling rate
Russia: 11.87% . . . ranked:168th
(Happy) Denmark : 10.22% . . . ranked: 190th
(Poor) Cuba : 9.90% . . . ranked :195th
Bottom Three (nations):
Germany: 8.42% . . . ranked: 219th 85yr doubling rate
South Korea: 8.26% . . . ranked: 220th
Japan: 8.07% . . . ranked: 222th

Socialist countries may be depopulating, but the rest of the world is poised to export their surplus population.
That's going to cause no end of conflict.

I prefer that we expand into outer space, and avoid genocide.

[chancy]

Hello Ozmirage:
Seems that you are worrying too much about muslims taking "YOUR lands/"
"Whereas in many Muslim countries, the birthrates are far higher. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands."

I definitely don't have to worry about anyone taking my lands since governments are doing that for us in the west. I have no problems with anyone or any nationality immigrating to as you put it " YOUR lands"
The problem I have is when immigration is swayed and laws are broken by the very governments who say there's problems.
Case in point. I met with Jason Kenney who was the immigration minister at the time. I had to go to a fund raiser he had where we had to listen to thus useless fellow. He stated about 3 times that he was bringing in 80% of the immigrants from the middle east. Yes, it could have been an error but he said it at least 3 times for everyone to make sure they got it.
So when you say "Whereas in many Muslim countries, the birthrates are far higher. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands."
Muslims are not doing this it's governments for whatever reason I have no idea.

I'm not worried about population growth. I'm worried that the focus is on new worlds and not the one we live on now. Seems like too many smart people are dreaming about the stars and not worrying about our little planet called earth.
chancy

[Star Tsar]

This thread is NOT designed for anti earth groups comments views or opinions any post like this the mods will be asked to delete thankyou :focus:

[RedSun88]

I thought this was fairly apparent, but perhaps it needs to be restated.

Elon Musk is a dancing puppet on the strings of our collective controllers - a veritable mouthpiece for trans-humanist propaganda and false disclosure.

Listen to hear what level of lie they are currently selling - be wary to take anything on board.

With regards to all those present,
Art.

[Daozen]

This thread is NOT designed for anti earth groups comments views or opinions any post like this the mods will be asked to delete thankyou :focus:

In the first few minutes of the talk Elon said that if we stay on Earth there would be an exctinction level event. Debating widespread immigration is on topic, as I see it. It's related to our supposedly creaking social infrastructure, which may or may not be true.

If these space-faring companies were sincere/competent, you'd think the first thing they'd do was to publicly release cures for cancer and heart disease. That should be a no-brainer for any genuinely connected group. If humans went to Mars, they'd have to be in perfect health. So a logical step one would be to release information that could improve the general health of the population. But for all the PHD brainpower in Silicon Valley, they often miss low-hanging fruit. This makes me wary, to say the least.

Elon has made two Earth-changing contributions to the human race, in the form of Paypal and Tesla motors. These companies form the backbone of a new financial system, and clean energy grid. So I'm grateful for his hard work. But I can't help but think he's being misled here. I doubt anything will come of this.

A compromise:

If we're going to build a self-sustaining colony on Mars, we'd need to prove the concept on Earth first, right?

So why not design a self-sustaining modular town, full of hydroponic gardens, solar panels, abundant water filters, high tech health care? We can do that right now with off-the-shelf public domain technology. Irrespective of Earth/Mars difference regarding gravity and sunlight, the general principles of human sustenance remain the same.

Where are people going to live when they get to the Red Planet? Will it be like Elysium, or Total Recall? If SpaceX do not have a publicly accesible experiment to design a high-tech future town which works on Earth, the whole enterprise is a dangling carrot. I strongly hope I'm proved wrong. Elon Musk seems like someone who has enough skill to tightrope-walk between the various factions. We shall see.

[Star Tsar]

I concur somewhat Doazen however immigration can be discussed without pinpointing there are enough threads on Avalon at present choc full with that kind of stuff of late this thread was not designed to and will not be one of them!

[Atlas]

Humans on Mars will quickly evolve into Martians. The question is: where do we go next?

Michio Kaku: The Cheapest Way to Terraform Mars
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[Tyy1907]

When I saw the sentence "purchase land on Mars" I thought purchase it from who? Elon Musk? Do we really want to start a capitalist hierarchical structure over there now? According to testimonies from people like Randy Cramer we might be "buying" land from the indigenous Martians already there, if they go for it that is.

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Humans on Mars will quickly evolve into Martians. The question is: where do we go next?

Michio Kaku: The Cheapest Way to Terraform Mars
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Nuking Mars
May not go over so well

[ozmirage]

So when you say "Whereas in many Muslim countries, the birthrates are far higher. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands."
Muslims are not doing this it's governments for whatever reason I have no idea.


"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
- - - Moammar Qaddafi

It's not government, unless you consider Shari'ah law a government. It's Islam against the world. Been going on for 1400 years.

[Star Tsar]

So when you say "Whereas in many Muslim countries, the birthrates are far higher. They intend that their descendants inherit YOUR lands."
Muslims are not doing this it's governments for whatever reason I have no idea.

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."


- - - Moammar QaddafiIt's not government, unless you consider Shari'ah law a government. It's Islam against the world. Been going on for 1400 years.

Ozmirage the topic is Mars not Islam please....

[ozmirage]

Elon has made two Earth-changing contributions to the human race, in the form of [1] Paypal and [2] Tesla motors. These companies form the backbone of a new financial system, and clean energy grid.
I disagree.
[1] Paypal isn't a "new" financial system - just a means to transfer funny munny via the internet... for a hefty fee.
[2] Tesla motors is never going to be a viable solution to the problem of "clean" transportation.
Why?
Simple Physics.
http://www.brooklynrail.net/science_of_railway_locomotion.html
The most efficient form of land transport (barring a technological breakthrough) is still steel wheel on steel rail.
. . .

At the same constant speed, on level ground, drawing the same load, any steel wheeled railway vehicle already in motion, will use only 5% (1/20) of the energy consumed by any large pneumatic tire road vehicle already in motion. Upon starting and initial acceleration, any steel wheeled railway vehicle will only use 10% (1/10) of the energy demanded by any large pneumatic tire road vehicle.
...
Modern electric traction motors can recover braking energy, thus improving energy efficiency even more.
...
Steel wheel on steel rail is 20 times more energy efficient than rubber tire on pavement.
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For a fixed and finite energy budget, to move the MOST people and cargo, the winner is electric traction rail in all its forms.
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I stipulate that government meddling makes it almost impossible to dislodge the automobile / oil / pavement hegemony from dominating American transportation, but you cannot dismiss the law of Physics.
Tesla Motors' electric vehicle only cuts out the "oil" from the equation. The electric vehicle is still very wasteful and expensive - no long term improvement whatsoever.
...
Knowing this, one should question the efficacy of his other solutions.
http://www.altenergystocks.com/archives/2011/08/its_time_to_kill_the_electric_car_drive_a_stake_through_its_heart_and_burn_the_corpse_1.html
"It's time to kill the electric car, drive a stake through its heart and burn the corpse."

[Atlas]

[...] without swords, without guns, without conquest [...]
Mars was the most prominent of the military gods in the religion of the Roman army. (source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(mythology)))
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[Daozen]

Elon has made two Earth-changing contributions to the human race, in the form of [1] Paypal and [2] Tesla motors. These companies form the backbone of a new financial system, and clean energy grid.
I disagree.
[1] Paypal isn't a "new" financial system - just a means to transfer funny munny via the internet... for a hefty fee.
[2] Tesla motors is never going to be a viable solution to the problem of "clean" transportation.


You might have a point. I'm fully aware of what Paypal and Tesla detractors say. I'm watching Elon's presentation now, and skeptical about some of his answers, especially when he says he might transport nuclear energy to Mars "if the public was receptive." That gives me pause for thought.

I still think it's better to diplomatically engage with people to see what they're made of. If, after a few months, they don't come up with clear answers, then maybe they had nothing to begin with.

Regarding Tesla and Paypal. Those are systems that are currently in operation. Could you name a working alternative to Paypal or Tesla motors, something that's in production now, that solves energy and money transfer problems? If you criticize, you're obliged to come up with a alternative, or you're an armchair critic with no solutions.

EDIT: I saw what you wrote about trains. I 100% agree that trains are the best form of transport, but we still need to solve the problem of road travel.

Paypal is far from perfect, but it's the first step to a new set of financial platforms that will eventually decentralize finance. It's helping 220 million people make a living in a 66 billion dollar economy as we speak. Do not mistake positivity for naiviety.

[ozmirage]

I saw what you wrote about trains. I 100% agree that trains are the best form of transport, but we still need to solve the problem of road travel.
The myriad problems associated with road travel are reduced or eliminated once 80% to 90% of land transport is by rail. Coincidentally, in the 1920s, 90% of all travel was by rail.
. . . . .
In 1920, 90% of all travel was by electric traction rail (streetcars), average fare - $0.05. ($36.50 annual cost for taking a round trip every day; 730 x 5 cents.)
In 1920, you could buy a brand new Ford Model T for $300.00
In 1935, you could buy a brand new Plymouth for $565.00.
In 1979, you could buy a Honda Accord for $7000.00.
In 2012, you can buy a Ford Focus for $16,500.00
In 2012, 30-Day Unlimited Ride MetroCard on NYC mass transit - Cost: $104, reduced fare $52
(per annum = $ 1248 / $ 624)


Taken for a Ride (documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-I8GDklsN4
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Adding overhead catenary power for streetcars / trams, buses, and trucks may allow for extended range for battery powered / hybrid vehicles, too.

Transitioning 80% of long distance trucking to rail would reduce petroleum consumption below domestic production levels. Containerized freight could be locally delivered by short haul hybrid trucks. But the major gripe with rail freight is speed. Due to a confluence of regulations and tax policy, most mainline railroad tracks are limited to 79 MPH. Changing the regulations and building a moderate speed (ex: Class 6 : 110 MPH to Class 8: 160 MPH) passenger and freight service would lure shippers to “go Rail!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_speed_limits_in_the_United_States

[shaberon]

What happened through the 20s/30s was that General Motors bought a lot of the rail systems by using shell companies...and stopped maintenance so everything fell apart and people needed cars.

In a recent renovation of a downtown area near where I live, they kept digging up old trolley lines, accidentally, because no one knew they were there any more, like some kind of lost civilization.

[Star Tsar]

Leak Project

Robert Zimmerman - The Colonization & Privatization Of Space

Published 11th September 2016

Robert & Rex get together and talk Falcon 9 Rocket, Space X, Elon Musk, Colonization of the Moon & Mars plus much more...

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[Star Tsar]

TMRO

Elon Reveals New ITS & Falcon 9 Info

Published 8th November 2016

Space Mike discusses new information regarding the Falcon 9 explosion on Sept. 1st and Interplanetary Transport System information from a recent AMA.

Anomaly Updates: http://www.spacex.com/news/2016/09/01/anomaly-updates

Elon Musk Ask Me Anything ON Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/590wi9/i_am_elon_musk_ask_me_anything_about_becoming_a

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[Star Tsar]

CBS Los Angeles

Space X To Send "Private Citizens" To The Moon

Published 28th February 2017

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks Star, this was a surprising announcement. I imagine the idea of sending private citizens to the moon is somewhere making someone or other a bit nervous.

I also imagine that should this enterprise end in catastrophe, the rocket exploding on the pad, or otherwise these 'celeb-nauts' or whoever they are just not returning to earth in one piece, will send the...ahem...conspiracy theory forums into meltdown!

[Star Tsar]

Thanks Star, this was a surprising announcement. I imagine the idea of sending private citizens to the moon is somewhere making someone or other a bit nervous.

I also imagine that should this enterprise end in catastrophe, the rocket exploding on the pad, or otherwise these 'celeb-nauts' or whoever they are just not returning to earth in one piece, will send the...ahem...conspiracy theory forums into meltdown!

I concur Star Mariner & To add to your point this story came hot off the heels of the Space X story...

Space X

As SpaceX Unveils Space Tourist Moon Flight, NASA Reacts

Published 28th February 2017

Read all about it here: http://www.space.com/35850-spacex-private-moon-flight-nasa-reaction.html

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Two people have paid to take part in a trip to the Moon

28 feb 2017

Short vid on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39113474

Elon Musk, it seems, loves nothing more than to spin plates. When most
of us might be looking to lighten the load, he's piling on the ambition.
The serial entrepreneur's latest gambit is to fly people around the Moon.
Two wealthy individuals have apparently lodged significant deposits with
his SpaceX company to make this journey.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39113474

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SpaceX Announces Plan To Send Two Private Citizens To The Moon In 2018 | NBC Nightly News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwoYE8qhheI

Published on 27 Feb 2017
The space travel company revealed Monday that it is working on plans to fly two
private citizens on a week-long mission to the moon in 2018.
» Subscribe to NBC News


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SpaceX to fly private moon missions

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Published on 27 Feb 2017
SpaceX says two people have paid to take a lunar trip on a Falcon Heavy
by the end of 2018.

[Cidersomerset]

Elon Musk said if NASA wanted to send astronauts in stead of
the citizens they would have priority....

SpaceX is sending two people to the moon and back

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Published on 27 Feb 2017

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has announced big plans to send two private citizens
around the moon by 2018. CBS News space consultant Bill Harwood joins CBSN
with the latest details.

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SpaceX Plans to Take Tourists Around the Moon in Two Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhDR0QLxUs8

Published on 28 Feb 2017
SpaceX Plans to Take Tourists Around the Moon in Two YearsBillionaire Elon Musk's
SpaceX-Space Exploration Technologies-said it plans to take tourists on an orbit
around the moon in as little as two years, after it starts ferrying NASA astronauts to
the international space station.

[Star Tsar]

Dare to hazard a guess on the two "Citizens"? :sherlock:

[Kindred]

Humanity has YET to learn how to live in Peace and Prosperity on the world we Currently inhabit (not counting the SSP moon and Mars programs already in place).

We CONTINUE to Pollute and Destroy our OWN backyard and Each Other...

And here we're discussing SELLING LAND THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANYONE (WHO'S CLAIMING OWNERSHIP AND SELLING IT?), and going there to Pollute and Ravage ANOTHER PLANET...

In Glorified Fireworks (ROCKETS) no less!?

What Gives? Are you people on Drugs???!!!

I DON'T THINK THIS EVEN A POOR IDEA... IT STINKS.

Lets get our priorities straight here...

FIRST... Fix our society and the mores by which we live.
SECOND - Fix where we're living Now! Make it a place Worth Keeping.

BOTH the Iargans and the Thiaoobans have stated that humanity hasn't reached the first Syllable of the word 'Civilization' - we are NOT 'Civilized', YET... We're barely organized, and in a Very negative way at that. Certainly, this is the result of 'others' interfering with humanities development, but we've gone along with it too. Socially and Spiritually, Humanity has a Long way to go before it should even attempt to colonize Another world.

http://rune.galactic.to/iarga.html
http://www.worldlibrariez.com/the-thiaoouba-prophecy.pdf

As Jesus admonished us... Love One Another

Once we achieve that Basic Level of Social Development, then the Universe/Multiverse is Ours.

In Unity, Peace and Love...

[EFO]

Humanity has YET to learn how to live in Peace and Prosperity on the world we Currently inhabit (not counting the SSP moon and Mars programs already in place).

We CONTINUE to Pollute and Destroy our OWN backyard and Each Other...

And here we're discussing SELLING LAND THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANYONE (WHO'S CLAIMING OWNERSHIP AND SELLING IT?), and going there to Pollute and Ravage ANOTHER PLANET...

In Glorified Fireworks (ROCKETS) no less!?

What Gives? Are you people on Drugs???!!!

I DON'T THINK THIS EVEN A POOR IDEA... IT STINKS.

Lets get our priorities straight here...

FIRST... Fix our society and the mores by which we live.
SECOND - Fix where we're living Now! Make it a place Worth Keeping.

BOTH the Iargans and the Thiaoobans have stated that humanity hasn't reached the first Syllable of the word 'Civilization' - we are NOT 'Civilized', YET... We're barely organized, and in a Very negative way at that. Certainly, this is the result of 'others' interfering with humanities development, but we've gone along with it too. Socially and Spiritually, Humanity has a Long way to go before it should even attempt to colonize Another world.

http://rune.galactic.to/iarga.html
http://www.worldlibrariez.com/the-thiaoouba-prophecy.pdf

As Jesus admonished us... Love One Another

Once we achieve that Basic Level of Social Development, then the Universe/Multiverse is Ours.

In Unity, Peace and Love...

On the other hand,after humans successfully colonized Mars,they develop a civilization and "terraforming" based on high tech from Earth,destroying themselves - as they done before - with some elite survivors which will create a new civilization having legends of "gods" coming from space (humans),watching the destroyed Earth through telescopes and finally destroying Mars,they fly to Earth and continuing the same idiotic destroying circle between Mars and Earth and writing all kinds of "bibles".

Some of humans are the permanent idiots of at least the Galaxy.Very sad.

[Star Tsar]

Space.com

Elon Musk - Huge Revolution In Spaceflight!

Published 30th March 2017

Elon has some big news.

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[Star Tsar]

Space X

SES 10 Technical Webcast

Published 30th March 2017

Webcast of todays historic launch from the Kennedy Space Center, Florida.

Starts @ 11:20 minutes

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[Star Tsar]

Interesting news tidbit...


SpaceNews.com

Space X To Launch The Next Secret X-37B Air Force Mission

Published 6th June 2017

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2014_13/286851/140328-space-x37b-1230p_41232a356d30bce76c74d2f396abd52c.jpg

Read all about it here: http://spacenews.com/spacex-will-launch-next-secret-x-37-air-force-mission/

[Cidersomerset]

Elon Musk Unveils Plans to Put Humans On Mars

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Published on 29 Sep 2017


SpaceX founder Elon Musk unveiled plans to put humans on Mars as early as 2024. Musk
said SpaceX's upcoming BFR mega-rocket can take dozens of people to the moon and to
Mars and can also fly from New York to Tokyo in less than 30 minutes. (Sept. 29)


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Elon Musk - Making Life Multiplanetary | 2017 International Astronautical Congress IAC HD

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Published on 28 Sep 2017
Elon Musk presentation / speech at International Astronautical Congress in Adelaide 2017 Full Event
Musk talks about why he wants humans to be multiplanetary and then shows the new plan with a
smaller vehicle for travelling, the "BFR". Elon also shows video of the raptor engine testing and stats
about the cost savings and efficiency of the whole system.Lastly, he shows he new concept of using
these rockets for travelling on Earth, making every trip on Earth shorter than 1 hour.

[Cidersomerset]

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Elon Musk: Rockets will fly people from city to city in minutes

By Jonathan Amos..BBC Science Correspondent
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Artwork: The BFR would assume the roles performed by current SpaceX vehicles..........................................Elon Musk: "That's not a typo"
People will soon be able to fly from city to city within minutes, rocket and car
entrepreneur Elon Musk says.Mr Musk made the promise at the International
Astronautical Congress (IAC) in Adelaide, Australia.

A promotional video says the London-New York journey would take 29 minutes.
Mr Musk told the audience he aimed to start sending people to Mars in 2024. His
SpaceX company would begin building the necessary ships to support the mission
next year. He says he is refocusing SpaceX to work on just one type of vehicle -
known as the BFR - which could do all of the firm's current work and interplanetary
travel. Mr Musk first laid out his Mars travel ambitions at the IAC in 2016. Twelve
months on, he returned with more detail. His BFR, although still massive, is now a
little smaller at 106m in height and 9m in width. The major difference compared
with the original version, however, was cost, the South African-born American said.

"I think we've figured out how to pay for it. This is very important."

read more.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41441877


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These two sections are taken from the full vid in the post above...

SpaceX 'BFR' Spaceship to Mars in 2022? - Elon Musk Explains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fulCbz3vDvo
Published on 29 Sep 2017

Mars Central City concept....

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SpaceX 'BFR' Spaceship: Elon Musk Takes You Under the Hood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0BB2bCDPo

Published on 29 Sep 2017
SpaceX CEO Elon Musk reveals the designs of the new 'BFR' spaceship that is
currently under development. -- Elon Musk Teases Images of SpaceX 'Moon Base
Alpha' and 'Mars City': https://www.space.com/38310-elon-musk...

Moon Base Alpha.....
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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

These envisioned space vehicles of what will be the 2020's, are almost identical to what space vehicles looked like and how they operated in the 1950s.

Still using "rocketry"? Doesn't this mean that humanity has gotten terribly stuck in a technological dead-end? It hasn't though, has it. Every single (other) facet, element and nuance of technology has advanced hugely in 70 years... except for space propulsion.

But we here know that this isn't true at all (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?136-The-Secret-Space-Program). AT ALL. Deep under the surface of these glossy press releases is another world, a dark world, hidden from all of us, a place where rockets (or, ballistic missiles from the 40s and 50s with fins strapped on them a la Fireball XL-5), belong mostly to a technological stone age.

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What's more, I still have my collection of space-related books for children that I grew up with. In them are pictures just like above (paintings rather than cgi of course), along with grandiose descriptions of what the future was going to be like. I eagerly gobbled up this futurist literature as a kid, I lived for the stuff! We'd have moon bases by 1980, be on mars by 1990, and by the year 2000, who knows! I couldn't wait.

But they did get one thing right though. In the future, according to the futurists of the past, we'd still be using rockets! nothing more, and nothing better than rockets. :clapping:

[Cidersomerset]

Something does not feel right about this somehow , NASA/Russia are carrying on
as normal setting up possible Mars missions sometime in the future, and SpaceX
planning going to Mars in under a decade. China and India are also entering the game.

This is without the elephant in the room ,secret space programme , existing
moon/mars bases and ET's etc....


Astronaut Chris Hadfield on SpaceX's ambitious plans - BBC Newsnight

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Published on 29 Sep 2017
Commander Chris Hadfield speaks to Evan Davis about Elon Musk's ambitious
plans for space travel. Hadfield was the former commander of the International
Space Station, and the first Canadian to walk in space.


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US & Russia to collaborate on planned Deep Space Gateway

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Published on 29 Sep 2017
The space agencies of Russia and the US have announced that they’ve
signed an agreement to cooperate on building the Deep Space Gateway
(DSG). All the partners involved in the aging International Space Station
(ISS) are to be involved. Astronaut Leroy Chiao joins RT America’s Manila
Chan to discuss.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99988-US-and-Russia-to-build-first-lunar-space-station&p=1182788&viewfull=1#post1182788

[happyuk]

I think Elon Musk is probably a genius, but I have one or two persistent doubts about him.

For a start I would prefer someone with an IQ of 120 who thinks it's 100, rather than someone with an IQ of 150 who thinks it's 190, and I think there is a little bit of that with Elon. That's his trouble - he thinks he can do anything.

In terms of sheer technical prowess I would choose someone like Wang Chuanfu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Chuanfu), the entrepreneur behind Chinese battery company BYD over Elon Musk any day. This guy is like a modern day Thomas Edison in that he just goes out and learns and applies whole new technologies by himself.

By the way I also think Amazon's Jeff Bezos is also utterly brilliant, albeit also utterly ambitious. I would never bet against Bezos. Bezos seems more inclined to keep quiet and knuckle down whereas Musk takes to Twitter way too often with his ideas as a means of pumping up his stock. By the time Tesla get to market with an economically viable car they will likely have many other competitors. Every other day it's Elon saying "next year cars will be able to self drive for XYZ miles with 1 recharge while going at speeds of silly mph" without ever having delivered the original product.

Investors think electric vehicles are the future, and they're probably correct. Tesla currently leads in electronic vehicles, so the thinking goes that Tesla must be a great buy. This ignores two important principles in business:

1. Price matters. A lot. Just because EVs will probably some day replace petrol-cars doesn't mean investing in the company that makes them is a good investment. It's like buying property in a place you know in decades to come is going to be really popular. If you can get the property really cheap, all well and good. But the expectation may already be priced in, so at a high price it's not a good buy. Even your predictions prove right, you could still get hosed.

2. Being first to market with a product—in this case, an electric vehicle—is rarely an advantage in the long-term. Other competitors aren't sitting there doing nothing. Case in point: Palm being first to the market with smartphones.

[happyuk]

I saw what you wrote about trains. I 100% agree that trains are the best form of transport, but we still need to solve the problem of road travel.
The myriad problems associated with road travel are reduced or eliminated once 80% to 90% of land transport is by rail. Coincidentally, in the 1920s, 90% of all travel was by rail.
. . . . .
In 1920, 90% of all travel was by electric traction rail (streetcars), average fare - $0.05. ($36.50 annual cost for taking a round trip every day; 730 x 5 cents.)
In 1920, you could buy a brand new Ford Model T for $300.00
In 1935, you could buy a brand new Plymouth for $565.00.
In 1979, you could buy a Honda Accord for $7000.00.
In 2012, you can buy a Ford Focus for $16,500.00
In 2012, 30-Day Unlimited Ride MetroCard on NYC mass transit - Cost: $104, reduced fare $52
(per annum = $ 1248 / $ 624)


Taken for a Ride (documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-I8GDklsN4
....

Adding overhead catenary power for streetcars / trams, buses, and trucks may allow for extended range for battery powered / hybrid vehicles, too.

Transitioning 80% of long distance trucking to rail would reduce petroleum consumption below domestic production levels. Containerized freight could be locally delivered by short haul hybrid trucks. But the major gripe with rail freight is speed. Due to a confluence of regulations and tax policy, most mainline railroad tracks are limited to 79 MPH. Changing the regulations and building a moderate speed (ex: Class 6 : 110 MPH to Class 8: 160 MPH) passenger and freight service would lure shippers to “go Rail!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_speed_limits_in_the_United_States

Excellent point about the use of electric streetcars. From what I've read this was by far the cheapest and safest means of transporting people at the turn of the century, and still would be now if it wasn't various political factors that conspired to hasten their demise, replacing them with diesel powered machines.

[Star Tsar]

Wow now that's a Big Falcon Rocket!!!


SpaceFlightNow.com

SpaceX Releases First Pictures Of Falcon Heavy Rocket

Published 20th December 2017

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SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk released the first images of his company’s Falcon Heavy rocket Wednesday, showing the massive triple-core booster almost fully assembled inside its hangar at the Kennedy Space Center’s pad 39A, where it is scheduled to lift off some time in January.

Read all about it here: https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/spacex-unveils-new-falcon-heavy-rocket-1.3729791

[Star Tsar]

Latest from Space X


Space X

Falcon Heavy Demo | Static Fire

Took Place & Published 24th January 2018

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Everyday Astronaut Report

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[Star Tsar]

Live right now


Everyday Astronaut

LIVE @ Falcon Heavy

Live @ Time Of Posting

Live from just 3 miles away! Ask whatever questions you have about this massively exciting launch!!!

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Space X Livestream

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[Star Tsar]

Live "Starman's" Perspective

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[Cidersomerset]

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Elon Musk's Falcon Heavy rocket launches successfully

10 minutes ago


Elon Musk has just launched his new rocket, the Falcon Heavy,
from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

read more...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42969020

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SpaceX launches Falcon Heavy rocket

CBS News

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Published on 6 Feb 2018
SpaceX's Falcon Heavy, the world's most powerful rocket, thundered to life Tuesday
and shot away from Florida on the power of 27 engines and nearly 5 million pounds
of thrust, kicking off a spectacular maiden flight to send founder Elon Musk's cherry
red Tesla Roadster on a "just for fun" journey beyond the orbit of Mars.

[Cidersomerset]

This is from yesterday and is pretty good and who does not like a bit of Bowie...
It shows how they hope the launch will go.

Falcon Heavy Animation

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Published on 5 Feb 2018
When Falcon Heavy lifts off, it will be the most powerful operational rocket in the
world by a factor of two. With the ability to lift into orbit nearly 64 metric tons
(141,000 lb)---a mass greater than a 737 jetliner loaded with passengers, crew,
luggage and fuel--Falcon Heavy can lift more than twice the payload of the next
closest operational vehicle, the Delta IV Heavy, at one-third the cost.

Falcon Heavy's first stage is composed of three Falcon 9 nine-engine cores whose
27 Merlin engines together generate more than 5 million pounds of thrust at liftoff,
equal to approximately eighteen 747 aircraft.

Following liftoff, the two side boosters separate from the center core and return to
landing sites for future reuse. The center core, traveling further and faster than the
side boosters, also returns for reuse, but lands on a drone ship located in the Atlantic Ocean.

At max velocity the Roadster will travel 11 km/s (7mi/s) and travel 400 million km (250 million mi) from Earth.

[The Moss Trooper]

I was just watching the live-cam posted by Star Tsar, the Tesla car passed Earth then there must have been at least 20 - 30 'objects' appearing from all sorts of different trajectories, and especially 2 that were stationary and started flashing blue, white, yellow & green........... Awesome.

Guess what happened next?

Camera switched to a shot of the Falcon engine for about 10 seconds, then screen blank and a message along the lines of, "sorry, there is a technical fault."

Priceless!!


22:55 ......... This is phenomenal! They have to keep cutting the feed, :ROFL: There is SO much activity up there....... I'm aware of lens-flare, satellites, shooting stars, debris, etc, but a lot of what I've just been watching ain't covered by those. Changing trajectories, travelling in groups......... Ahhhhh, brilliant!

[Star Tsar]

Also it was great for all those flat Earthers out there!

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[Cidersomerset]

What's next for Elon Musk's SpaceX rocket

ABC News

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Published on 7 Feb 2018
Tesla founder Musk told ABC News he "didn't really think this would
work" after his Falcon Heavy rocket successfully blasted into space

[Star Tsar]

Let's check in on StarMan!


Gianluca Masi

Observation Of Tesla Roadster Across The Stars

Streaming live @ time of posting

See Tesla Roaster live, online, through a telescope!

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[Cidersomerset]

Interesting article more for the timing.....and they mention Space X at the end.

Report: Trump administration looks into privatizing International Space Station

CBS News

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Published on 11 Feb 2018
The Trump administration is considering a plan to cut off federal funding for the
International Space Station and turn over parts of it to private industry, according
to the Washington Post, which cites an internal NASA document. But the plan would
likely face strong opposition. CBS News space analyst Bill Harwood joins CBSN to discuss.

[Wind]

Ever seen this movie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_to_Mars

I thought that it had an interesting timeline, 2020.

What humans eventually found on Mars was of course quite something else.

[Cidersomerset]

http://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/ph3_660_400/public/2018/02/08/1095751-1429944328.jpg?itok=cV7rx029

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.21.31/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

The barren desert preparing astronauts for life on Mars

It looks like something out of a sci-fi film.

But this is the desert where scientists and volunteers test pressure-simulating

suits in the inhospitable conditions of the Oman desert to prepare for life on Mars.

10 Feb 2018... From the section Science & Environment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVgIddtluHg
read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-43015250/the-barren-desert-preparing-astronauts-for-life-on-mars


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Ever seen this movie?


Yeah like Star Gate and many other movies they take concepts from alternate
books/research or now direct from the web and start to tell a good story which
usually ends up in disaster or a shoot out , but this one did go to an ancient
civilisation on Mars waiting to be awoken a bit like the Arnie classic Total recall
but more believable as these things go.....

Mission To Mars - The End ?
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[Wind]

Don’t spoil the best part! It’s not as impactful if you haven’t seen the whole movie. ;)

I saw that movie actually a long time ago in the theaters. Probably ever since if not before it I’ve dreamed about the red planet. Mars was like Earth and most of human souls came from there. We probably might have similar DNA to the martians. Who would have known what kind of truths are revealed in ”entertainment”.

[Agape]

I thought that Elon Musk is somehow smarter and more ethical than the other guys . His Tesla technologies and opinions would seem to suggest the option .

Movies are more entertaining than reality in this case, in my opinion .

I simply think that trying to grow vegetables in 50kg pressure suits in inhospitable soil for 20 billion dollars when and while you have billions of people starving on this very planet who do not have to starve at all but you fail to provide them access to clean water and help them grow their vegetables in far less extreme conditions

is called vanity of human undertakings and fascination with Self.

Sorry if I say what I think .

Of course I used to see these differently when I was a kid and quite differently now after years witnessing the real struggle of the human community for survival .

Something is telling me that the vanity and self-fascination of human spirits disregarding survival and well being of its own species must have a threshold .

That someday some celebrity will say no to the gold fashioned show and buy their girlfriend ticket to cinema instead.

History taught us so many lessons ..

think of the ancient vimanas , flying vehicles of the Mahabharata and their space program . It’s all been here before it collapsed and turned to ashes .Even if Mars once hosted civilisation it is not inhospitable for no reason .

People are like big children . Sometimes it’s cute but not if we never learn ..


:pray:

[Cidersomerset]

SpaceX launches Falcon 9 rocket from California

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Published on 22 Feb 2018
SpaceX has launched a Falcon 9 rocket from Vandenberg Air Force Base in
California. The rocket was carrying a Spanish radar-imaging satellite. CBS
News space consultant Bill Harwood joins CBSN with more about the launch.

[Star Tsar]

Full webcast


SpaceX

PAZ Mission

Recorded & Published 22nd February 2018

SpaceX is targeting a Falcon 9 launch of the PAZ satellite to low-Earth orbit on Thursday, February 22 from Space Launch Complex 4 East (SLC-4E) at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. The instantaneous launch opportunity is at 6:17 a.m. PST, or 14:17 UTC. The satellite will be deployed approximately eleven minutes after launch.

Falcon 9’s first stage for the PAZ mission previously supported the FORMOSAT-5 mission from SLC-4E in August 2017. SpaceX will not attempt to recover Falcon 9’s first stage after launch.

Starts @ 5 minutes

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Everyday Astronaut's coverage:

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[Cidersomerset]

SpaceX Falcon 9 lifts Spanish communications satellite into space

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Published on 5 Mar 2018
A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket in the program's 50th flight thundered
away from Cape Canaveral early on March 6, 2018, carrying a
Spanish communications satellite

[Did You See Them]

Hats off to the 50th launch !

About to start converting my Falcon 9 model rocket to the "heavy" version now that all I've accumulated all the bits 'n bobs required - including a Hotwheels Tesla roadster and 3d printed Astronaut for payload
Also completing a "tribute" model rocket to "Mad" Mike Hughes for his "steam" powered Flat Earth Research Rocket complete with an underwhelmingly inadequate motor !!
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[Cidersomerset]

Elon Musk eyes 2019 Mars mission

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Published on 12 Mar 2018
Popular Science senior editor Sophie Bushwick
on SpaceX CEO Elon Musk's Mars mission project.

[Star Tsar]

More about Mars from the man himself...


SXSW

Elon Musk Q&A @ SXSW 2018

Published 11th March 2018

Director & friend of Elon, Chistopher Nolan hosts a Q&A session with Elon. The majority of qurstion are about Mars, but AI & Tesla Model Three are stressing Elon out @ the moment Elon says.

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[Cidersomerset]

I just saw this report and it surprised me ex NAZI paper clip
rocket engineer Wernher von Braun wrote a novel called Project
Mars in1948, one year after Roswell. The Martian government
was led by 10 men the leader of which was called Elon.

This seems more than a coincidence ? I looked on the web
and it is discussed....Uhm !!


Elon Musk’s Plans For Colonizing Space Might Have Been Predicted In
A 1940s Novel | Mach | NBC News

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Published on 6 Apr 2018

Way back in 1948, the aerospace engineer Wernher von Braun wrote a novel
called Project Mars. It was science fiction, but it included scientific calculations
for manned missions….as well as one shockingly prophetic line: “The Martian
government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom …[was] entitled
'Elon.’” 70 years later, Elon Musk is among the billionaires reviving rocketry in
the private sector – building on more than a century of scientific advancements
…as we ponder living in space.

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A significant milestone...


NASA

Astronaut Crews For First Commercial Vehicle Flights

Published 3rd August 2018

NASA introduces the women & men who will be aboard the first flights of the new spaceships built by Boeing & SpaceX.

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Full press conference

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A sneak peak anyone?


Everyday Astronaut

Inside Spacex HQ & Their New Dragon Capsule

Published 6th September 2018

SpaceX allowed us a rare opportunity to actually go inside their headquarters to check out their new Crew Dragon Capsule that will be flying astronauts next year!

Read all about it here: https://everydayastronaut.com/inside-spacex/

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Another small footstep...


SpaceX

First Private Passengers On BFR Lunar Mission Webcast

Streaming Live @ Time Of Post

SpaceX has signed the world's first private passenger to fly around the Moon with their BFR launch vechicle - an important step forward in enabling access for everyday people who dream of going to space. Find out who is flying & why by watching below.

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