Secret Space Program Credibility

[7alon]

Hey all,

Since the affairs regarding Corey Goode came to my attention, I was actually wondering if anybody knows of anything that is actually credible in relation to the theory of a secret space program? I'd be very interested to hear Bill Ryan's view on the subject.

Personally I don't believe John Lear at all.. I wanted to believe Corey Goode, he seemed very anxious when I watched the videos about it all, but that could have simply been because he is making up a tonne of crap and is anxious about keeping it consistent lol.

[sunwings]

I was actually wondering if anybody knows of anything that is actually credible in relation to the theory of a secret space program? l.

I think the majority of members believe in the SSP. Only yesterday this thread revealed a new Corey Goode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4299-vfPs&list=PLg1sEt5a-iE3lV5aVhqgf8FgE-tYUNBvc&index=70

However credibility is another issue. Many members here feel Goode, Parks, Collier and fulford (+many others) are full of crap. Maybe they are right. Maybe parts of what they say is true? But for me all of these people are telling a story. There is no real proof. And they must be taken as a story. There is no real corroborating evidence and if there was they would end up like Phil Schnieder. When i here people talk about the truth movement I cringe because many of us are spectators / passive participants. Don´t get distracted looking for the truth. I read this quote from another thread and it is a good starting point for working out why you ended up here on Avalon.




As I share in my workshops, whenever faced with a challenge the two main questions I always ask are:

Why did I choose to create this?

What do I have to learn from this experience?

By asking these two basic questions, we are immediately removing ourselves from the victim archetype and stepping straight into our Creatorship. We are no longer playing the game of pain and blame, because we are owning all that we experience as a result of our creative evolutionary path in this Universe.

[Baby Steps]

Basic principals---

Old photos of craft look like 40's tech with portholes etc. Germans needed gyroscopic compass instruments in 1943 to function within a faraday cage (that interferes with the planet's magnetism within the cage)

Many of those pics show a disc with portholes and three bulbous units underneath.

Go forward to now. Look at the 'Paris Triangle craft'(TR3B)
This has three corner lighted units. SAME CONFIGURATION.

This craft, in that video can be seen to have two angled stabiliser fins on the top, so it is clearly designed to take into account our primitive aerodynamic physics. This is a human craft. No doubt.

SO WE HAVE THE TOOLS, WHY WOULD WE NOT BE OUT THERE?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBETrcJlI24

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[Bill Ryan]

I'd be very interested to hear Bill Ryan's view on the subject.



Well, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming (in my very strong personal view).

That can be expanded enormously, and there are many posts and threads on this in the forum, each in turn linking and drilling down to more detail. I do absolutely know that it's not at all easy for a new member here to find all that stuff!

What comes to mind for me personally (that I'd mention if I was in conversation with an intelligent person who was interested and really wanted to know) includes:



The eye-witness account of a nephew of a friend of Gordon Novel who reported this spectacular encounter in the remote Utah desert, where he saw a huge arrowhead-shaped craft descend into a large concealed hole (like a giant aircraft carrier sliding door) that opened up in the desert in front of his eyes:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378



Sean David Morton's eyewitness account of a 1,600 ft long shovel-nosed craft coming into land at Area 51 (in the early 90s, before the boundaries were expanded to deter peeking mountain-climbing hikers). He described this experience in an interview I think last year with Sean Stone on Buzzsaw, but it's not on the forum. This is an artist's impression of the X-30, officially never built, that closely resembles what he saw with his own eyes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/X-30_NASP_2.jpg



Henry Deacon (Project Camelot key witness) confirmed to me personally the Solar Warden codename. This is the source of what is now regarded as common knowledge among SSP researchers. The full story is here (same post as linked above):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378



Jay Weidner's fascinating personal testimony about early, secret missions to the Moon and Mars, here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77430-Our-very-own-Bill-Ryan-gets-a-mention-in-the-mainstream-news&p=906624&viewfull=1#post906624



And, for anyone with several hours to spare, there are all the videos of the presentations (some of them excellent) in the 2014 and 2015 Secret Space Program Conferences. Post here and the one below it, with links to the 2015 videos:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1040026&viewfull=1#post1040026



Finally, there's an entire forum section devoted to the Secret Space Program here, with all kinds of interesting bits and pieces (and more than that, too):
The Secret Space Program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?136-The-Secret-Space-Program)


Re John Lear, Henry Deacon told me personally (after the publication of our 2008 4-part interview (http://projectcamelot.org/john_lear.html) with him) that Lear was "80% correct". (I'd agree with that, personally).

Re Corey Goode, he is deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing (and I think it's probably a mixture of all those). But that doesn't mean the Secret Space Program isn't a key component of what Richard Dolan has called the Breakaway Civilization.

And -- the above notes are just a tiny tip of a very huge iceberg. My not mentioning something above doesn't mean at all that it's not important testimony.

:star:

[Star Tsar]

As we are talking credibilty I'll also add to what Bill has posted the name of Richard Dolan as far as I know it was he who first introduced the concept to our modern alternative media/UFOlogy!

[Cidersomerset]

" I'm with Bill " above....... which is a ref to a political debate in the UK
back in 2010 when Cameron and Brown kept saying they agreed with
'Nick'. Lib/dem leader at the time Nick Clegg.

But joking aside if there is not a secret space programme I'd be amazed.

There is a current thread with Bill Tompkins which is rather confusing and
compelling at the same time and maybe it needs starting again when
we can actual get a clear over view of what he is disclosing.

He has been speaking to Jeff Rense , Robert Salla and now David Wilcock/
Coorey Goode and it has all got a bit cloudy and starting to sound Scy -fy
again which is a problem with most disclosure imo. But that's a wider
connected subject.......

As Bill said there is so much....


Well, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming (in my very strong
personal view). That can be expanded enormously, and there are many posts
and threads on this in the forum, each in turn linking and drilling down to more
detail. I do absolutely know that it's not at all easy for a new member here to
find all that stuff!


There are many posts and threads its difficult to point you to one its the cumulative
result by so many researchers and whistleblowers that makes me believe there
is a secret space fleet and maybe other related agendas as well.....

Mark McCandlish: "Corporations Have Back Engineered ET Technology To Control The World!"
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86186-Mark-McCandlish-Corporations-Have-Back-Engineered-ET-Technology-To-Control-The-World-

New ET and Nazi UFOs Whistleblower William Tompkins (now 92 yrs)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-

Another small https://coppergifts.com/-/pc/catalog/p/mini-tiny-puzzle-piece-cookie-cutter-cg4-p5209.jpg of the puzzle....

Gary was famously chased by the US justice system for over a decade ...
I'm sure you have seen this but is important disclosure info imo.
Gary knows more than he will say particularly about the names issue ,
but for his own safety he will not name them as far as I can see.

A clip from Kerry's interview pre extradition battle...

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Rich Planet interview with Gary....post extradition battle...

Hacker Gary McKinnon about NASAs UFOs and other technologies 2015

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[7alon]

Thanks for the input everybody, especially you Bill, really appreciate it :). I can read through endless stuff, but I like to hear everybody's thoughts from a logical point of view. Important to stay grounded while going down the rabbit hole.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for the comprehensive summary, Bill, but that's what you're good at! :clapping: For anyone to whom all this is "new".....I would suggest a good base to work from are the early interviews of Project Camelot when Bill & Kerry were just finding out all about this subject. :sherlock:

[Daozen]

Why have these brave jumpsuited SSP heroes done nothing to release healing technology/knowledge into the public domain? Do they have access to advanced healing?

- They don't know about advanced healing protocols?
- They don't care about them?

The average Avalonian is far better informed about healing than these jokers. I doubt both their integrity and competence. Maybe some SSP stories are for real, but why listen to their fairy-tales when there's no tangible pay-off? What does SSP stand for anyway? Special Snowflake Patrol? I'm sure there are covert groups playing with high-technology that's thousands of years ahead of us, but... If there was disclosure about this, it'd most likely come out through sci-fi. Maybe there's some truth to Stargate.

The SSP might be real, but most of these whistleblowers aren't. There may be a kernel of truth at the core, but it's being spun into a freedom-is-coming-soon yarn. Another saviour on a string.

[Jantje]

Thanks for the comprehensive summary, Bill, but that's what you're good at! :clapping: For anyone to whom all this is "new".....I would suggest a good base to work from are the early interviews of Project Camelot when Bill & Kerry were just finding out all about this subject. :sherlock:

I'm watching this one right now. The Project Camelot interview with Gordon Novel.
This is Kerry at her best in my opinion. I miss those old ones

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[Fellow Aspirant]

Well said, everyone! If I could chime in with a couple of additional prospects, I'd like to add the names of Captain Mark Richards (his interview 'recollections' by Kerry are available on Camelot's site) and Catherine Austin Fitts, a financial expert who concludes that the trillions of dollars missing from earth's economy are going into an off-planet economy.

As an aside, though, I'd like to know if anyone has ever seen the tips of Gary McKinnon's ears. Based on what I can see of the rest of his face, he's really rockin' the Spock look. And he's so logical! Those Vulcans know a thing or two about deep space fleets. Just sayin'. ;)

B.

[Daozen]

Catherine Austin Fitts may be right that trillions are going to an off-planet economy... it doesn't necessarily have to be going to an SSP. Could be going to the supposed 'rulers' of Earth. Remember Junker's strange quote: "Les dirigents des autres planetes son inquietes...". Jupiter (Lucifer?) has been worshipped since Roman times as king of the Gods. There are frequent mentions of an entity named Baal in many old books. Abrasax was a well known entity well before Jupiter Ascending came around. The Wachowskis have an excellent track record for disclosure. Is Jupiter Ascending an abstract depiction of a bloodline war, with one side trying to wipe the other out?

Whatever the truth is, SSP audiences are way behind the curve. We'll get nothing but crumbs from that table.

[Savannah]

Gaia's new series Deep Space is very comprehensive and so far they have thankfully kept Cory Goode's name out of it.

[Cidersomerset]

As an aside, though, I'd like to know if anyone has ever seen the tips of Gary McKinnon's
ears. Based on what I can see of the rest of his face, he's really rockin' the Spock look. And he's so
logical! Those Vulcans know a thing or two about deep space fleets. Just sayin'.

B.

Your not the first to think that ........http://static.neatorama.com/images/2008-03/spock-raise-one-eyebrow.jpg


Re: Gary Mc Kinnon Update 6th Dec 2011




Quote Posted by Limor (here) Imo,Gary Mckinnon has a strong odor of someone who is not from here..
It is very tempting to see Vulcan racial characteristics in his face!You've got me thinking Kosmic Kat.....'Spock' the difference........[/QUOTE]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m2HZu7r2W7k/TeHIXS8HFgI/AAAAAAAAAMk/5Mk4lQFG_KE/s1600/gary_mckinnon_2.jpg
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http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/151/590x/McKinnon-Main-624901.jpg


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5vrXKlO2Jbw/hqdefault.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081111042551/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/f/f0/Trek_2009_theatrical_teaser_poster,_Quinto.jpg/125px-Trek_2009_theatrical_teaser_poster,_Quinto.jpg

http://selectivelistening.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/leonard-nimoy-image-2.jpg

You may be right ....He has got a Vulcan logic and spirit about him !!!!!..Steve


I edited it a bit from original post.....
Gary Mc Kinnon Update 6th Dec 2011
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36331-Gary-Mc-Kinnon-Update-6th-Dec-2011

[NeedleThreader]

I wonder how, if traveling at sub-speed of light, a craft would deal with even the slightest piece of interstellar dust, let alone rock size objects. How could you create a route that made sure not to smash into such objects? The particle or energy shield surrounding the craft would be just as amazing as its engine...

[Axman]

Agreed it makes your head hurt trying to figure out just small aspects of how it works.

The Axman

I wonder how, if traveling at sub-speed of light, a craft would deal with even the slightest piece of interstellar dust, let alone rock size objects. How could you create a route that made sure not to smash into such objects? The particle or energy shield surrounding the craft would be just as amazing as its engine...

[Justplain]

Regarding the secretspace program, this is an interesting whistleblower. Bill Uhouse, worked in Area 51 on antigravity flight simulator in the 1950’s and met aliens:
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Why would he be working on an anti-gravity flight simulator in the 1950's? Because the ssp had antigravity craft. Anti-gravity craft can go inter-planetary, and with a little bit of juice (and, of course, back-engineered alien tech) can go inter-stellar.

Another interesting tidbit is from William Cooper, who in this vid introduces EBE from the Roswell crash, MJ12, etc. and briefly talks of NSA's role with the ssp and the lunar base:
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Another tidbit is from the RA material, where out of the blue RA mentions the secret space program and Tesla technology:

"The Law of One, Book V, Fragment 3
Session 8, January 26th, 1981:

Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.
Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft?
Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples.
...
Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes?
Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power."

[CurEus]

Catherine Austin Fitts may be right that trillions are going to an off-planet economy... it doesn't necessarily have to be going to an SSP. Could be going to the supposed 'rulers' of Earth. Remember Junker's strange quote: "Les dirigents des autres planetes son inquietes...". Jupiter (Lucifer?) has been worshipped since Roman times as king of the Gods. There are frequent mentions of an entity named Baal in many old books. Abrasax was a well known entity well before Jupiter Ascending came around. The Wachowskis have an excellent track record for disclosure. Is Jupiter Ascending an abstract depiction of a bloodline war, with one side trying to wipe the other out?

Whatever the truth is, SSP audiences are way behind the curve. We'll get nothing but crumbs from that table.

This year I am tending to lean towards most of the disappearing money/gold/people as a ransom or a tythe/tax/tribute paid to get some ET's just to leave us generally alone or to pay off others to offer us a modicum of protection. Of course every nation that can will try to develop new technologies or applications of new technologies for their military interests etc. The internet was funded by/for the military and probably not "in the open" for quite some time I expect. TPTB are not done consolidating their systems of total control over earth just as yet so I don;t expect any disruptive technology to go public soon.

Why we wouldn't attempt to get off planet in itself seems strange...Apparently the "discovery" of the "new world" was a closely guarded secret VERY far back into antiquity...Governments seem to be consistent in keeping the populace in the dark...

I really do appreciate the work of Dolan, Austin-Fitts, Bill, Kerry and Farell ( so many more to add) but as it relates to the people coming forward with personal testimony about bouncing around Mars fighting secret wars...or being Intergalactic Psychic-Empath Ambassadors of Earth. None seem to really ring true in any compelling or very credible sense. (to me that is) noting the accounts of conflicts HERE on Earth with various ET races does strongly resonate.

The extraordinary leaps of faith necessary ( compartmentalization, murder, Men in Balck, witness intimidation, "mind wipes", body swaps with clones, misinfomation, deception and lies) to keep a SSP under wraps seems to be quite the stretch but please allow me to contradict myself. It would be quite easy to do so if Dolan's "breakaway" civilization were realized as I tend to think they would consider us near animalistic by comparison were they to reproduce among themselves for a generation or 3... they then may want VERY little to do with us and back to my earlier point could probably blackmail our leadership into silence. Obviously they could just drop big rocks on our heads if they felt like it....

So in a nutshell I do not think we have a vast fleet of ships romping around our solar system ( or beyond) Do we have a few...okay, sure! Can we match the superior tech of others intelligences that apparently are all over our solar system? Probably very likely the answer is no. We would get our backsides handed to us...do we maybe have a few little innocuous bases we built/borrowed? Okay...maaaaybe.

[Daozen]

Catherine Austin Fitts may be right that trillions are going to an off-planet economy... it doesn't necessarily have to be going to an SSP. Could be going to the supposed 'rulers' of Earth. Remember Junker's strange quote: "Les dirigents des autres planetes son inquietes...". Jupiter (Lucifer?) has been worshipped since Roman times as king of the Gods. There are frequent mentions of an entity named Baal in many old books. Abrasax was a well known entity well before Jupiter Ascending came around. The Wachowskis have an excellent track record for disclosure. Is Jupiter Ascending an abstract depiction of a bloodline war, with one side trying to wipe the other out?

Whatever the truth is, SSP audiences are way behind the curve. We'll get nothing but crumbs from that table.

This year I am tending to lean towards most of the disappearing money/gold/people as a ransom or a tythe/tax/tribute paid to get some ET's just to leave us generally alone or to pay off others to offer us a modicum of protection. Of course every nation that can will try to develop new technologies or applications of new technologies for their military interests etc. The internet was funded by/for the military and probably not "in the open" for quite some time I expect. TPTB are not done consolidating their systems of total control over earth just as yet so I don;t expect any disruptive technology to go public soon.

Why we wouldn't attempt to get off planet in itself seems strange...Apparently the "discovery" of the "new world" was a closely guarded secret VERY far back into antiquity...Governments seem to be consistent in keeping the populace in the dark...

I really do appreciate the work of Dolan, Austin-Fitts, Bill, Kerry and Farell ( so many more to add) but as it relates to the people coming forward with personal testimony about bouncing around Mars fighting secret wars...or being Intergalactic Psychic-Empath Ambassadors of Earth. None seem to really ring true in any compelling or very credible sense. (to me that is) noting the accounts of conflicts HERE on Earth with various ET races does strongly resonate.

The extraordinary leaps of faith necessary ( compartmentalization, murder, Men in Balck, witness intimidation, "mind wipes", body swaps with clones, misinfomation, deception and lies) to keep a SSP under wraps seems to be quite the stretch but please allow me to contradict myself. It would be quite easy to do so if Dolan's "breakaway" civilization were realized as I tend to think they would consider us near animalistic by comparison were they to reproduce among themselves for a generation or 3... they then may want VERY little to do with us and back to my earlier point could probably blackmail our leadership into silence. Obviously they could just drop big rocks on our heads if they felt like it....

So in a nutshell I do not think we have a vast fleet of ships romping around our solar system ( or beyond) Do we have a few...okay, sure! Can we match the superior tech of others intelligences that apparently are all over our solar system? Probably very likely the answer is no. We would get our backsides handed to us...do we maybe have a few little innocuous bases we built/borrowed? Okay...maaaaybe.

I agree with most of what you say. There may be some subtle intricacies that we're missing, but that is for another time. What about Asia?

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TPTB are not done consolidating their systems of total control over earth just as yet so I don;t expect any disruptive technology to go public soon.

As far is disruptive technology is concerned, there's been a tsunami of game-changing devices released into the public domain in the past 5 years. We don't have 'free-energy', or a cure for bone diseases that make people wheelchair bound. We do have nearly everything else we can dream of.

Why do the *cough* "enlightened_save_the_world" crowd obsess over free-energy, when a hand-cranked light, pico wind turbine or solar powered light would do just fine for 3-4 billion people without light? Why are they looking for replicators, when alfalfa sprouts are edible in 3 days? I can only conclude they are novelty seeking poseurs.

I think some of those devices are coming from advanced civilizations. Either from etheric influence, in dreams... or directly, through contacts in the tech world. We must look weird, having all the tools at our disposal, but only making a lukewarm effort to use them. There's also some confusion as to the definition of displacement technology. For a 'cabal' that controls a planet via economics, pharmaceuticals and media... they may be more worried about social media, crowdfunding, and inexpensive nutrition... than any sci-fi technology.


Obviously they could just drop big rocks on our heads if they felt like it....

I don't think they could, because there seem to be white hat forces keeping a balance.

[OMG]

William Tompkins

http://exopolitics.org/william-tompkins-us-navy-secret-space-program/

[uzn]

@NeedleThreader: How These Crafts work and how they can avoid hitting Dustparticles and small Rocks:
Some Crafts just raise their vibrational Level. We only see a fraction of frequencies, if they vibrate at a higher frequency they become invisible to the naked eye. Thats why one sees more craft with Nightvision Googles Generation 3 and up. Secondly if you vibrate high enough different physics come into Play. Speed of Light does not apply there anymore, thats a way to bridge large distances. If high enough the craft is able to pass with its Atoms through lower vibrational object without the Atoms touching each other. Thats what I think. I would like to hear Carmodys take on that ;)

The above mentioned TR-3B: These three "Lights" at the bottom are not Lights, These are the Antigravity-Engines (Generators). One Needs at least three to be able to float stable. More are better but three is enough.

[Eram]

@NeedleThreader: How These Crafts work and how they can avoid hitting Dustparticles and small Rocks:
Some Crafts just raise their vibrational Level. We only see a fraction of frequencies, if they vibrate at a higher frequency they become invisible to the naked eye. Thats why one sees more craft with Nightvision Googles Generation 3 and up. Secondly if you vibrate high enough different physics come into Play. Speed of Light does not apply there anymore, thats a way to bridge large distances. If high enough the craft is able to pass with its Atoms through lower vibrational object without the Atoms touching each other. Thats what I think. I would like to hear Carmodys take on that ;)

The above mentioned TR-3B: These three "Lights" at the bottom are not Lights, These are the Antigravity-Engines (Generators). One Needs at least three to be able to float stable. More are better but three is enough.

It's an interesting idea uzn. :)
Occult or esoteric knowledge says that the physical realm is made up of 7 layers of vibrational states namely:

- solids
- liquids
- gaseous (so far we can experience them with our senses)

- etheric
- superetheric
- sub atomic
- atomic

Solids can pass through liquids, but does so by means of displacing the liquid moelcules, not by actually pass through them while leaving the liquid molecules in place.
Liquids cannot pass through solids and gaseous cannot pass through liquids.
Ether waves can pass through solids, liquids and gaseous states, but I don't think that this is proof of actual etherical atoms passing through them.

Esoteric/occult knowledge also dictates that every higher vibrational level both encompasses and penetrates all lower worlds, so this could explain for etherical waves passing through walls, without it being necessary for real etherical atoms passing through those walls.

If ships can really faze out of lower vibraional levels of existence, I would guess that they still have to figure out how to pass through anything.
I guess it's certainly not a given that fazing out of lower vibrational levels would automatically mean that you then can pass through anything without hitting something.



About yes or no a secret space program:
For the moment I keep the position that I find it hard to imagine who the people who are part of such a program might be.
I mean... We are living in a time where the deep state is becoming more and more visible, even to the point that most people who are part of it can be named.
The whole structure of the so called democracy together with the undemocratic influences of the elite cabal is now part of public record.

So, am I to believe that members of this elite group are in on the secret space program?
Have George Soros and David Rockefeller been to Mars?

There are members on this forum who claim that many signs in the deep and hidden world of science point to only one conclusion and that is that there exists a secret space program, but I have yet to see any of that evidence. I have to admit that I have not searched for it very hard to this point though. I'm still waiting for lets say Carmody to point me to easy accessible and readable sources to start my investigations. ;)

[uzn]

Deleted the link I posted her, irrelevant.

[Wind]

I have yet to see any of that evidence.

Neither have I, but that's besides the point. Hence the name "secret space program". ;)

I assume that by now they (black budget military & secret groups) have invented interstellar travel, but it is so top secret information that only very few people know about (maybe some hundreds or thousands, who knows), it's need to know basis only.

Of course that begs the question, are humans really allowed to travel into deep space? Are the talks about "a quarantine" just nonsense? What isn't being hidden away from us? Something to ponder about.

[Builder]

I wanted to believe Corey Goode, he seemed very anxious when I watched the videos about it all, but that could have simply been because he is making up a tonne of crap and is anxious about keeping it consistent lol.

When I see his body language, all of my alarm bells are ringing...

Empathically, I am feeling that he is in pain.

[onawah]

My late friend Sunshine, a 4th generation Apache medicine woman who grew up in the desert, also reported seeing as a child (from a high bluff overlooking the desert) a huge sliding door that opened up in the desert floor, from which various advanced aircraft would emerge and descend into.
As an adult, she worked as a semi-truck driver and had access to Area 51 and other top secret bases while delivering goods there.
The drivers would drive the trucks underground, where they were dispatched by guards to a guarded waiting area exclusively for visitors, and were heavilty monitored all along the way into and out of the bases.

Gordon Novel[/B] who reported this spectacular encounter in the remote Utah desert, where he saw a huge arrowhead-shaped craft descend into a large concealed hole (like a giant aircraft carrier sliding door) that opened up in the desert in front of his eyes:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378
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[Red Skywalker]

Reminds me of this story to make an addition on the topic:


Zero Point - The Story of Mark McCandlish and the Free Energy Fluxliner Space Craft

A documentary made by James Allen who was killed for making this documentary and getting too close to the truth.

Here you go:


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I have posted this link to the documentary earlier in this forum, but I think it's valid here too.

[Leon55]

Former Lockheed Skunkworks director Ben Rich said that "we already have the technology to bring ET home":

https://www.intellihub.com/do-we-have-the-technology-to-take-e-t-home/

[Leon55]

As mentioned before, Corey Goode is not seen as a very trustworthy source. What is interesting though, is that he talks about privately run bases on Mars and that the people living and working there are treated badly.

It's interesting that scientists, engineers, social scientists, philosophers and writers came together in the UK to meet close to MI6 headquarters and talk about how to overthrow a Martian dictatorship:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150619-how-to-overthrow-a-martian-dictatorship

Goode also said that a lot of people on Mars were lied to. They were told that disaster would strike on Earth and that they could be rescued by joining the Mars colony. Interestingly, Laura Eisenhower was asked to join a Mars colony that was build to escape potential major problems on Earth:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_marte_59.htm

[Leon55]

William Tompkins

http://exopolitics.org/william-tompkins-us-navy-secret-space-program/

A new article on William Tompkins:

http://exopolitics.org/aerospace-engineer-reveals-operational-details-of-secret-space-programs/

[Leon55]

And lastly, I would also like to point out that there is proof that the Mars Rover missions are nothing but a smokescreen. There's proof the rovers are driving around on Earht on Devon Island and the Nevada desert.

Richplanet on the Mars rovers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-4cRW_T5Xg

And my contribution:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88934-A-2nd-picture-of-the-Mars-rodent-spot

[Bill Ryan]

Former Lockheed Skunkworks director Ben Rich said that "we already have the technology to bring ET home":

https://www.intellihub.com/do-we-have-the-technology-to-take-e-t-home

http://projectavalon.net/Ben_Rich_quotes_1.gif

http://projectavalon.net/Ben_Rich_quotes_2.gif

[CurEus]

Agreed, although I'm not totally convinced of mysterious organizations of "white hats" if they exist is there some inane truce whereby they ALSO do not share tech or knowledge we need to break out of control mechanisms?

It just MAY be the simple reality that Governments, "controllers" or whomever are so vehemently focused on denying UFO's and ET's because they realized long ago we have ZERO chance whatsoever of defending against aggressors. with tech 20,000 years ( or more) ahead of our own..and they cannot let the world know they are completely, utterly and totally powerless and no one is coming to help us. THAT would cause a panic so they manufacture a narrative of secret programs of fantastic technologies with Space Navies beating back the alien menace? Yes, that would be depressing but it should be a valid consideration.

I did consider that maybe the "black hats" are so truly evil and vile that they'd nuke the whole planet if any "good guy" aliens tried to intervene...which is also quite depressing. The problem then is somewhat obvious...we'd have to do it ( change our leadership) ourselves.

Perhaps someone will develop a warp drive in their basement and post the design online and we all pop out into space in the span of 2 years......like the wild west! watch control melt away pretty quickly! Pure chaos!

Just IMAGINE 3 billion humans UNLEASHED on an unsuspecting Galaxy!

[7alon]

I wanted to believe Corey Goode, he seemed very anxious when I watched the videos about it all, but that could have simply been because he is making up a tonne of crap and is anxious about keeping it consistent lol.

When I see his body language, all of my alarm bells are ringing...

Empathically, I am feeling that he is in pain.

Yep that's how I felt also, it confused me.

[Seeking Senior]

Re Corey Goode, he is deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing (and I think it's probably a mixture of all those).

I just joined so if you kick me out for saying this, so be it.

I could not disagree more.

I have followed his interviews on gaia.com for over a year now, and I find him to be very credible.

[Foxie Loxie]

Don't know how I missed the Zero Point-Mark McCandlish video of Sept. 2016...amazing! I believe he is the one now working with David Adair to set up his "disclosure"
upon his death. It will be an amazing thing if they can pull this off! :Party:

[Bill Ryan]

Re Corey Goode, he is deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing (and I think it's probably a mixture of all those).

I just joined so if you kick me out for saying this, so be it.

I could not disagree more.

I have followed his interviews on gaia.com for over a year now, and I find him to be very credible.

Hi! :waving: And of course we'd not 'kick you out'. But if you 'could not disagree more', then we'd invite you to explain why; and this is a great place to do that.

What we do hope is that you've not got any fixed ideas of beliefs about this, because there really are major, serious problems with both Corey and his information, all of which are documented and well-presented in a number of threads here.

[Atlas]

I am sceptical of Corey Goode's intel, I tend to agree with what Steven Greer says:

Corey Goode Deceived? (by Steven Greer)
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[Seeking Senior]

What we do hope is that you've not got any fixed ideas of beliefs about this, because there really are major, serious problems with both Corey and his information, all of which are documented and well-presented in a number of threads here.Thank you for your response.

I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

And I must say, I am very disturbed by your blanket statement that Corey is "deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."

Sounds to me that you have taken some things personally and have formed an opinion based on your feelings.

The reason why I disagree with your opinion is that I have formed my own opinion based on my intuition after listening and observing his testimony over the space of more than a year.

I am of the opinion that intuition is a valid guide in judging credibility.

[Bill Ryan]

I am of the opinion that intuition is a valid guide in judging credibility.

Yes, I respect that. But so is factual information. We humans do need both sides of the brain, sometimes, to figure things out.

[Hervé]

[...]
I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

Then, you'll entirely miss out on why:


"deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."... is not a blanket statement but rather very hard-earned conclusions from suffering that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

Your choice.

[mojo]

if anybody knows of anything that is actually credible in relation to the theory of a secret space program?
IMHO one of the most significant connections to an SSP is a small night vision clip of an old syfy show fact or fake they went to area 51 up a small hill-top and captured a vehicle streaking down to the runway just to catch it lit up in time...

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[Seeking Senior]

. . . that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

What example of that stands out in your mind the most?

[Hervé]

. . . that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

What example of that stands out in your mind the most?
His volte-face about having no memories of anything and not believing any of it to later claim he has had these memories all along (of being one of those "chosen ones" for the "task").

[KiwiElf]

Also the original John Lear/Bob Lazar video (the first time Bob made his claims and knew the exact time they were going to do a test flight). They went out there and video'd an "object" lifting off from Groom Lake/Area 51, flying in ways that no conventional aircraft is capable of. That was back in the '90's. ;)

[Seeking Senior]

His volte-face about having no memories of anything and not believing any of it to later claim he has had these memories all along (of being one of those "chosen ones" for the "task").
Those in control of the secret space program try to keep it secret by what is called "blank slating" their minions. Sometimes individuals can overcome that. Corey overcame it. Stewart Swerdlow of the Montauk Project is another one who overcame the mind control he was subjected to to go on to become a whistleblower. Black projects are a dirty business and these whistleblowers are risking their lives doing what they're doing. It is up to we the public to support them, not denigrate them.

[Hervé]

As I wrote earlier:



[...]
I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

Then, you'll entirely miss out on why:


"deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."... is not a blanket statement but rather very hard-earned conclusions from suffering that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

Your choice.
Documented on this forum is a before and after "Corey"through his own posts. Your choice to not even bother getting acquainted with those threads and posts and which makes for an interesting textbook case example of "cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Festinger#When_Prophecy_Fails)."

As for:

[...]
... "blank slating" their minions.[...] ... there is also a reverse to that coin and that's to get some individuals to create and live in a totally virtual, fantastic universe of their own imagination as can be demonstrated with the oft reproduced experiment known as "The Third Man In The Room" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=806378&viewfull=1#post806378) and which any good hypnotist can reproduce.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I am of the opinion that intuition is a valid guide in judging credibility.

Yes, I respect that. But so is factual information. We humans do need both sides of the brain, sometimes, to figure things out.

Absolutely yes. When the intuitive and rational minds agree, that is the best we can do. Perhaps those who use only one side of the brain are sadly, lame brains.

[Seeking Senior]

Absolutely yes. When the intuitive and rational minds agree, that is the best we can do. Perhaps those who use only one side of the brain are sadly, lame brains.
Is that an insult aimed at me?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Absolutely yes. When the intuitive and rational minds agree, that is the best we can do. Perhaps those who use only one side of the brain are sadly, lame brains.
Is that an insult aimed at me?

Absolutely no reference to you Seeking Senior, or anyone else specifically. And it was not intended to insult anyone.

My rational mind is open to evaluating new information. Is there evidence? If an experiment, is the result repeatable?

I absolutely depend on my intuition to guide me to new information, and also evaluate the information.

It is very important (for me) to use both sides of the brain.

With apologies:

:focus:

[waskosky]

Absolutely yes. When the intuitive and rational minds agree, that is the best we can do. Perhaps those who use only one side of the brain are sadly, lame brains.
Is that an insult aimed at me?

Seeking Senior, you've inspired me to make my first substantive post after lurking along since 2008.

I've read through many, many threads covering Corey Goode over the past 2 years in this forum (and some of those bashing David Wilcock) to the point of wanting to post many ideas and counter points to many arguments that have been made. The amount of effort likely needed though to untwist the faulty logic and egregious assumptions within beliefs here has become very high, such that one would have to alter one’s life significantly to take it on properly, in a way that could contribute to broader thinking. One morning in 2015, during a period where I was certain I would post, I had a dream that convinced me to just let it go, and decided it was just a sad kind of thing happening with the echo chambers here as naturally happens on so many other forums, yet we are all one and working together on essentially the same team in the alternative community, pushing for a new earth, but ultimately the beliefs present on this forum and most of our own beliefs even don't matter so much on the spiritual or geopolitical levels where bigger changes are more needed. Corey and David are out front now fighting for disclosure with the large audiences, and Bill has taken more of a back seat approach, and doesn't require our attention to do his thing. We can still work towards disclosure without always agreeing, and ideally as many of us as possible can still agree to disagree where necessary to collaborate if the need arises in the future.

I do have one burning question for everyone else though. I was very happy to see Pete Peterson on Corey and David's Cosmic Disclosure program, and do have to wonder if Bill (et all) are interested at this point in keeping up with Pete's intel (mostly coming through David Wilcock, but essentially confirmed by Pete) which to me seems to represent the strongest independent source(s) in validation of much of Corey Goode's otherwise unique testimony (at least much of Corey's newer intel). I ask about Pete specifically because I have not yet seen Bill make any negative statements about him but I might have missed a thread somewhere.

[Bill Ryan]

untwist the faulty logic and egregious assumptions within beliefs

Wow. Well, yes: faulty logic and egregious assumptions have certainly been in play with some people in some areas.

[araucaria]

Absolutely yes. When the intuitive and rational minds agree, that is the best we can do. Perhaps those who use only one side of the brain are sadly, lame brains.
Is that an insult aimed at me?

Seeking Senior, you've inspired me to make my first substantive post after lurking along since 2008.

I've read through many, many threads covering Corey Goode over the past 2 years in this forum (and some of those bashing David Wilcock) to the point of wanting to post many ideas and counter points to many arguments that have been made. The amount of effort likely needed though to untwist the faulty logic and egregious assumptions within beliefs here has become very high, such that one would have to alter one’s life significantly to take it on properly, in a way that could contribute to broader thinking. One morning in 2015, during a period where I was certain I would post, I had a dream that convinced me to just let it go, and decided it was just a sad kind of thing happening with the echo chambers here as naturally happens on so many other forums, yet we are all one and working together on essentially the same team in the alternative community, pushing for a new earth, but ultimately the beliefs present on this forum and most of our own beliefs even don't matter so much on the spiritual or geopolitical levels where bigger changes are more needed. Corey and David are out front now fighting for disclosure with the large audiences, and Bill has taken more of a back seat approach, and doesn't require our attention to do his thing. We can still work towards disclosure without always agreeing, and ideally as many of us as possible can still agree to disagree where necessary to collaborate if the need arises in the future.

I do have one burning question for everyone else though. I was very happy to see Pete Peterson on Corey and David's Cosmic Disclosure program, and do have to wonder if Bill (et all) are interested at this point in keeping up with Pete's intel (mostly coming through David Wilcock, but essentially confirmed by Pete) which to me seems to represent the strongest independent source(s) in validation of much of Corey Goode's otherwise unique testimony (at least much of Corey's newer intel). I ask about Pete specifically because I have not yet seen Bill make any negative statements about him but I might have missed a thread somewhere.
Hi there waskosky, and thank you for that. If I may say so, from the forum’s perspective, nine years of lurking is rather a waste of a good mind. You don’t have to clean out the Augean stables single-handed. The small effort of responding to a specific point now and again may not be a life-changer for the poster, but it will make a difference. Why not just share your wisdom on things that interest you, and maybe in passing show how you would like things to be done and raise the forum’s level that way? Even a tiny contribution is better than abstaining.

[DNA]

Gary was famously chased by the US justice system for over a decade ...
I'm sure you have seen this but is important disclosure info imo.
Gary knows more than he will say particularly about the names issue ,
but for his own safety he will not name them as far as I can see.

A clip from Kerry's interview pre extradition battle...

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Rich Planet interview with Gary....post extradition battle...

Hacker Gary McKinnon about NASAs UFOs and other technologies 2015

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If I were going to include SSP verification information for someone trying to decide if they wanted to pursue this line of thinking I would suggest Gary McKinnon as well.
My brother Cider was all over it, so I just wanted to add some extra enthusiasm here for what Cider had posted.

[DNA]

[...]
I really don't want to read a number of threads here.

Then, you'll entirely miss out on why:


"deluded, influenced, paid, confused, and/or knowingly lying/plagiarizing."... is not a blanket statement but rather very hard-earned conclusions from suffering that individual's megalomania and "folie des grandeurs" on this very forum.

Your choice.


Corey was a valued member of this forum, and a more than capable contributer.
Corey Goode might very well be known by nobody right now if not for Bill slapping an affirmation on him by allowing Project Avalon's name to be attached to the interview Christine did a couple of years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Wno7NykOg
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Now we all know that Bill has since changed his stance on Corey and he has a God given right to do so.
But, Corey must have had some fair capability in negotiating the SSP jargon to have convinced Bill to give such affirmation in the first place.
I've listened and participated with Corey here on this forum when there was no inkling he was going to become any type of alternative celebrity and over at the one truth when he was no longer welcome here and did in fact become something of celebrity.
I have no problems with outlandish stories that seem unbelievable.
I have a few myself I do not tell because they transcend terrestrial barriers and I just can't ask anyone to believe them.
That all being said, the reason I have a hard time with Corey isn't due to the details of his story that are unbelievable it is due to the lack of details.
I can tell you a story or two that involve some crazy things that have happened to me, and because these events were so momentous and emotionally impactful I often get lost in the details while relating the story. The details matter to me because they were part of what made my personal situation, the details are what framed my events for me.
When I listen to Corey, it's as if he is a novice romantic going straight for the loins of his lover rather than initiating the initial touch and caresses. Corey's stories do not kiss you first, they simply go right for the goods and this is why I have a hard time relating and as such believing his stories.
There is no emotional impact, and because people are just that, emotional beings, this is why I have a hard time believing Corey's stories.
Now this doesn't mean he is lying, and I still keep an open mind, but as of this moment I have a hard time buying his stories because I do not buy him as a person.

[Mike]

agreed marcus.

if you put a real event next to an identical staged one, the staged one being driven by actors, 9 times outta 10 the average person will suss it out. there are dozens if not hundreds of small nuanced bits that cant be created by the acting. his story lacked all that.

there would certainly be the odd anecdote that youd think he'd tell if it were true. reality is like that. unpredictable. when someone is telling a story and stops and says "oh wait let me back up and tell you something funny that happened before that.." and goes into a detailed digression about something, adding names and idiosynchrasies, then you know they are most likely telling the truth

corey's story was flat and boring, as if he were reciting a script.

[Seeking Senior]

I am not on this thread to attempt to change minds. I like to discuss things and try to help solve mysteries, but I'm not a debater.

I felt compelled to defend Corey Goode because of what came across to me as unjustified ridicule. I have the greatest respect for those people who I believe are genuine whistleblowers, and feel the need to speak out in their defense.

Infighting in the alternative community makes me sad. I have learned a great deal from both Alex Jones and Jeff Rense, and was sad to see their public falling out. What I see is clashing egos, but we humans are not perfect.

[Bill Ryan]

I have the greatest respect for those people who I believe are genuine whistleblowers, and feel the need to speak out in their defense.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. But how should we react when a claimed whistleblower isn't genuine, and is lying and embellishing? That harms us all, you see. Then, you have to ask: Cui bono? (Who benefits?)


I am not on this thread to attempt to change minds. I like to discuss things and try to help solve mysteries, but I'm not a debater.

If you're not a debater, maybe you're a listener. Your name suggests that you may seek good information and opinions.

This thread (below) is well worth reading from start to finish. In it is a marvelous interview with Richard Dolan in which he tackles this issue in general terms, though he's very much a gentleman and never (from my memory) mentions Corey Goode by name.


Jimmy Church w/ Corey Goode, Joseph Farrell and Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program)

The interview with Rich Dolan is here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNLnlUkptqA

In my post #22 there (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89709-Jimmy-Church-w-Corey-Goode-Joseph-Farrell-and-Richard-Dolan-Secret-Space-Program&p=1057472&viewfull=1#post1057472), I wrote (this is a copy)

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Listening to Richard Dolan (https://youtu.be/xNLnlUkptqA) now. OMG. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0506%20Clapping.gif http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0506%20Clapping.gif http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0506%20Clapping.gif http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0506%20Clapping.gif http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0506%20Clapping.gif

1:17:06:



When it comes to defending the integrity of this field of study, I have no choice: I have to say what I need to say.

And I think that there's something desperately wrong with some of these individuals who come out as so-called whistleblowers. There's something not right about them.
Richard here has my VERY, VERY strongest recommendation. Listen to the entire thing. He joins the show at about 0:34:00, as is usual with Jimmy Church's broadcasts.

If I may say this, he's (gently, kindly and articulately!) teaching Jimmy Church how to be smart — which he sometimes is not. Jimmy knows a lot, but is basically a sensationalist broadcaster, and doesn't always have a fine filter on what he references.

[Seeking Senior]

But how should we react when a claimed whistleblower isn't genuine, and is lying and embellishing?
Again, I disagree with you. And again, I have no intention of debating you or anyone else regarding my opinion. It's a useless exercise.



. . . Richard Dolan . . .
I am familiar with the work of Richard Dolan and I find him to be a credible source.

If he thinks Corey Goode is not a credible source, then I disagree with him on that.

My sources on information about the secret space program don’t necessarily agree on everything.

That doesn’t make them lying hoaxers.

[Bill Ryan]

I am familiar with the work of Richard Dolan and I find him to be a credible source.

If he thinks Corey Goode is not a credible source, then I disagree with him on that.



Well, Rich Dolan is more likely to come to accurate conclusions than 95% of people who are professionals, authors and speakers in the field, and >99.9% of those who are mere casual observers.

This is the problem. This (below) deserves a piece of its own, but the field of ufology (most often on YouTube: Corey is yet to write a book, thank goodness) is now swamped with a bunch of people who are variously


inventing or embellishing stories for their own benefit (the monetization of YouTube — and TV programs like Gaia — is a major cause of this)
controlled or deceived (i.e. they are knowing or unknowing assets)
unable to do good research, and through blogs and (often copied) videos of their own are steadily altering, generalizing and diluting what was originally good information
unable or unwilling to read good source material that's now maybe several decades old (who reads books any more??)
unable or untutored in the skills of information collecting and reliable data analysis.

In a short sentence: the whole UFO research field had been dumbed down.

And so has its gullible audience.

Those researchers and presenters who are still active and worth reading or listening to, being good scholars, detail-oriented, meticulous, careful, reliable, and with full integrity, can literally be counted on the fingers of two hands.

[Chester]

I experienced Corey Goode first hand. I experienced Corey Goode lying specifically on the One Truth forum. A lie related to another emerging alternative media celebrity. Corey told me something to my face regarding the identity of this emerging celebrity on April 16, 2015 and then, almost two weeks later, wrote a post on the One Truth forum which was a lie with regards to when he became knowledgeable about the identity of this celeb. It was such a significant lie that I had to accept that perhaps every single word out of Corey's mouth which might be labeled "other worldly" and thus was most certainly "unprovable" is very likely all made up.

Wilcock has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is primarily motivated by fame and perhaps enough wealth he can avoid getting a real job. Wilcock needs a "Goode" to increase his ability in achieving these goals.

Goode also enjoys avoiding the need for a real job. Goode was in competition with the other emerging alt media star for the "gig" that became that Gaia(m) thing. I witnessed Goode do everything he could to destroy the competition (which also included Simon Parkes). In fact, regarding Simon Parkes, I experienced first hand Goode's efforts to destroy Simon. I will not go further with that story here.

I watched Wilcock coach/train Goode to be a decent "reality TV" type star... a star Wilcock needed as Wilcock's own star was fading (due to all the promised predicted events never emerging, due to the loss of credibility of so many of his sources and due to the lack of new, emerging sources).

Now having said all the above which barely touches my own experiences with all four of the above "players" I one day asked myself these questions.


If someone demonstrates such a significant lack of personal integrity then what percentage of my own trust should I place in believing their unprovable, other worldly "stories?"


What are my risks for accepting as true things which may turn out to be ramblings from someone's imagination and/or ramblings from someone who may be influenced (maybe even heavily) by some nefarious third party(s) who achieve benefit when the masses accept false memes?

[Chester]

Interesting timing... I just stumbled upon this article published this morning -

Could O.J. Simpson Go From Inmate to Reality TV Star? (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/could-oj-simpson-go-inmate-reality-tv-star-989156)

That this sort of stuff happens is a demonstration of the vulnerability of so many in the masses... that someone who was proven to be capable of behavior we all would associate with psychopaths and/or sociopaths and/or narcissists and/or megalomaniacs and/or mythomaniacs could attract enough "viewership" that TV executives see $$$ profits by putting the guy into a reality TV show despite all his baggage.

This is exactly the same thing that was done with Corey Goode despite the fact he had proven himself to so many within the alternative community to be terribly compromised.

My point here is to ask another question.


What does that say about much of humanity? A group that includes sellouts, frauds, manipulators (both overt and covert), exploiters, and a massive amount of vulnerables (who play the all important role known as "the consumer")?

[Shannon]

I experienced Corey Goode first hand. I experienced Corey Goode lying specifically on the One Truth forum. A lie related to another emerging alternative media celebrity. Corey told me something to my face regarding the identity of this emerging celebrity on April 16, 2015 and then, almost two weeks later, wrote a post on the One Truth forum which was a lie with regards to when he became knowledgeable about the identity of this celeb. It was such a significant lie that I had to accept that perhaps every single word out of Corey's mouth which might be labeled "other worldly" and thus was most certainly "unprovable" is very likely all made up.

Wilcock has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is primarily motivated by fame and perhaps enough wealth he can avoid getting a real job. Wilcock needs a "Goode" to increase his ability in achieving these goals.

Goode also enjoys avoiding the need for a real job. Goode was in competition with the other emerging alt media star for the "gig" that became that Gaia(m) thing. I witnessed Goode do everything he could to destroy the competition (which also included Simon Parkes). In fact, regarding Simon Parkes, I experienced first hand Goode's efforts to destroy Simon. I will not go further with that story here.

I watched Wilcock coach/train Goode to be a decent "reality TV" type star... a star Wilcock needed as Wilcock's own star was fading (due to all the promised predicted events never emerging, due to the loss of credibility of so many of his sources and due to the lack of new, emerging sources).

Now having said all the above which barely touches my own experiences with all four of the above "players" I one day asked myself these questions.


If someone demonstrates such a significant lack of personal integrity then what percentage of my own trust should I place in believing their unprovable, other worldly "stories?"


What are my risks for accepting as true things which may turn out to be ramblings from someone's imagination and/or ramblings from someone who may be influenced (maybe even heavily) by some nefarious third party(s) who achieve benefit when the masses accept false memes?

Those are all very good questions to ask yourself, when it pertains to Corey and David, Sam. Good posts.

I ask, which purchase will help human kind more, sphere being alliance playing cards? Or a beer coozy?

Yeah, I know...I'm a deep thinker. ;P

[Seeking Senior]

Corey told me something to my face regarding the identity of this emerging celebrity on April 16, 2015 and then, almost two weeks later, wrote a post on the One Truth forum which was a lie with regards to when he became knowledgeable about the identity of this celeb.
He told you the identity on April 16, 2015. That you know firsthand.

Posting on the forum later about when he became knowledgeable about the identity of the person is a different matter, is it not?

Are you saying he posted later on the forum that he didn’t know the identity by April 16, 2015, or something to that effect?



Wilcock has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is primarily motivated by fame and perhaps enough wealth he can avoid getting a real job.
I have always felt that David Wilcock is irritating in his lack of humility, but I disagree that he is motivated by the desire for fame or not wanting to work for a living. I think he is a researcher extraordinaire, especially concerning alternative physics. And I believe his heart is in the right place.




In fact, regarding Simon Parkes, I experienced first hand Goode's efforts to destroy Simon. I will not go further with that story here.
Are you a friend of Simon Parkes?




I watched Wilcock coach/train Goode to be a decent "reality TV" type star... a star Wilcock needed as Wilcock's own star was fading (due to all the promised predicted events never emerging, due to the loss of credibility of so many of his sources and due to the lack of new, emerging sources).
I know about the 2012 prediction.

What others were there?

What do you mean loss of credibility of so many of his sources? The sources have pseudonyms to protect their anonymity (their lives), except for Pete Peterson. How could they lose their credibility?

[Shannon]

Corey told me something to my face regarding the identity of this emerging celebrity on April 16, 2015 and then, almost two weeks later, wrote a post on the One Truth forum which was a lie with regards to when he became knowledgeable about the identity of this celeb.
He told you the identity on April 16, 2015. That you know firsthand.

Posting on the forum later about when he became knowledgeable about the identity of the person is a different matter, is it not?

Are you saying he posted later on the forum that he didn’t know the identity by April 16, 2015, or something to that effect?



Wilcock has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is primarily motivated by fame and perhaps enough wealth he can avoid getting a real job.
I have always felt that David Wilcock is irritating in his lack of humility, but I disagree that he is motivated by the desire for fame or not wanting to work for a living. I think he is a researcher extraordinaire, especially concerning alternative physics. And I believe his heart is in the right place.




In fact, regarding Simon Parkes, I experienced first hand Goode's efforts to destroy Simon. I will not go further with that story here.
Are you a friend of Simon Parkes?




I watched Wilcock coach/train Goode to be a decent "reality TV" type star... a star Wilcock needed as Wilcock's own star was fading (due to all the promised predicted events never emerging, due to the loss of credibility of so many of his sources and due to the lack of new, emerging sources).
I know about the 2012 prediction.

What others were there?

What do you mean loss of credibility of so many of his sources? The sources have pseudonyms to protect their anonymity (their lives), except for Pete Peterson. How could they lose their credibility?

With all respect, I have to ask...who are Davids sources?

[Seeking Senior]

With all respect, I have to ask...who are Corey's sources?
Since Corey Goode testifies that he is speaking from personal experience, I have to ask you whether or not you are being sarcastic.

[Shannon]

With all respect, I have to ask...who are Corey's sources?
Since Corey Goode testifies that he is speaking from personal experience, I have to ask you whether or not you are being sarcastic.

My bad, I meant David. Theres been a Corey Goode over load. Forgive me.

[Seeking Senior]

My bad, I meant David. Theres been a Corey Goode over load. Forgive me.
I see.

As far as I know, the only named source that we know is Pete Peterson. Have you watched the Project Camelot and David Wilcock (joint) interviews of him?

[Bill Ryan]

My bad, I meant David. Theres been a Corey Goode over load. Forgive me.
I see.

As far as I know, the only named source that we know is Pete Peterson. Have you watched the Project Camelot and David Wilcock (joint) interviews of him?

A clarification on that. The story is told on this thread:


The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson)

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.

Kerry got herself into deep trouble when she violated part of that (you speak of confidentiality agreements!!) on video, and we learned a year later that she nearly got herself killed for that. Not a joke.

The upshot of all this is that nothing Pete is talking to David Wilcock about would be UNsanctioned by the Pentagon. Either that, or it's so safe (or untrue!) that no sanction would be needed. Pete would never go on TV to talk about the 'real stuff'.

This is important to understand. Corey would never be allowed to say a word about his experiences if they were real.

Here's a thought experiment. Can you imagine whistleblower Ed Snowden having his own TV show? (And if not, why not?)

[Akeron]

This is important to understand. Corey would never be allowed to say a word about his experiences if they were real.

Good point, but what world(view) do we extrapolate from this statement? It's one where they have total control. How much power do we really have (or give away) by looking at it like this?


Here's a thought experiment. Can you imagine whistleblower Ed Snowden having his own TV show? (And if not, why not?)

I can. Actually, in my minds eye, I can see him have his own show on RT.

[Seeking Senior]

A clarification on that. The story is told on this thread:


The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson)

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.
I will read the thread.

But first, I must note that you have linked to a thread started by a person who has been banned, apparently, if I understand what "Unsubscribed" means correctly.

Can you comment on that?



The upshot of all this is that nothing Pete is talking to David Wilcock about would be UNsanctioned by the Pentagon. Either that, or it's so safe (or untrue!) that no sanction would be needed.
Don't forget that the Pentagon is not a monolith. There are factions. Nothing is 100%.

[araucaria]

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.

Kerry got herself into deep trouble when she violated part of that (you speak of confidentiality agreements!!) on video, and we learned a year later that she nearly got herself killed for that. Not a joke.

The upshot of all this is that nothing Pete is talking to David Wilcock about would be UNsanctioned by the Pentagon. Either that, or it's so safe (or untrue!) that no sanction would be needed. Pete would never go on TV to talk about the 'real stuff'.

This is important to understand. Corey would never be allowed to say a word about his experiences if they were real.

Given the importance of this subject, and the urge and need to understand, let me add my two cents.

You have insiders like Pete Peterson who are saying nothing about the ‘real stuff’ to save their lives, and failing that putting out disinfo that it nonetheless as true as they can make it, which is probably not very. You also have insiders who in fear of their lives won’t even blow a whistle. You have outsiders like Bill and Kerry who are also trying to say nothing about the ‘real stuff’ they know about in order to save their lives, hence putting out disinfo that it nonetheless as true as they can make it. And then you have outsiders like Tom Dick and Harry and myself who don’t have any of the ‘real stuff’ directly and are trying to build up and disseminate a picture that is well enough understood by enough people that it can be made generally known and acted upon so as to remove the danger to all and sundry.

Building up this picture therefore calls for a degree of subtlety to ignore anything too obvious in the smoking gun department and sift through tiny clues left behind whether by accident or design. Sometimes tiny clues are unavoidably all we have, in large numbers. If, say, the secret was an exploding home planet, a bunch of asteroids would be all you have to work on, and a highly dangerous environment it would be to live in. If someone then came along with a Planet X, that could only be another small piece in the puzzle: maybe it somehow caused the explosion, but it cannot itself be that home planet or the whole story.

In a few of my posts, I have been exploring how literature can be a kind of laboratory to experiment how this sort of scenario can be simulated, i.e. retold in symbolic terms, and understood. If you write a novel while deliberately omitting the major piece of the language puzzle, namely the letter E, you end up painting a picture that tells you everything, but everything, about how that major component works within the whole. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84692-Proof-of-time-travel-by-Jane-Tripp&p=1014637&viewfull=1#post1014637). That this should be so is explainable in terms of the holographic principle whereby the whole is contained in all of its parts: nothing can be left out, there is nowhere to hide.

So try telling a story while skirting round a guilty secret. Theoretically it cannot be done: your story will become twisted an implausible, it just doesn’t add up. Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95553-JFK-the-CIA-the-KGB-and-Russia-today&p=1137836&viewfull=1#post1137836)is a literary example of how this works. And in the same thread, I am applying this observation to a real-life situation: Joseph Trento’s history of the CIA, working on the basis that it glosses over some crucial information regarding the Kennedy assassination: this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95553-JFK-the-CIA-the-KGB-and-Russia-today&p=1140739&viewfull=1#post1140739)and following, with more to come. If such an event as the Kennedy assassination happened one way, and you need to twist your story so that it happened another way, then that is going to show. The result is an organization so massively dysfunctional that even the author cannot hide the scale of the disaster. Planet Langley turns out to be a veritable asteroid belt.

Basically, it is all about lie detection. The biggest unspoken secret of the CIA is explainable in terms of the original lie that does leak out and shouldn’t have. The dog that did not bark in the night, the missing lie detection tests are mentioned on the last page but one:

Within the confines of [James Jesus Angleton’s] remarkable life were most of America’s secrets. “You know how I got to be in charge of counterintelligence? I agreed not to polygraph or require detailed background checks on Allen Dulles and 60 of his closest friends.” This begs the question: What would those detailed background checks have revealed? Infinite regress, that’s what. If the world is turtles all the way down, it is lies all the way up. According to Richard Hoagland, ‘The lie is different at every level’. I would rephrase that to say, We are all caught up in the lies to some extent or another. This of course includes Bill and ourselves and is why it is totally counterproductive to take sides in an argument between Bill and Kerry over confidentiality or anything else. Why is it counterproductive? Because it escalates things, making them seem much worse than they actually are. This is why we tell lies in the first place: because we overestimate the gravity of something, and overlook the attenuating circumstances. Forgiveness is about correcting those two mistakes. Within the overall scheme of things, Bill and Kerry’s differences are tiny, a mere difference of appreciation between two like-minded individuals over how to handle some sensitive information, and understandable reactions in the face of real danger. If we can’t forgive them, then we are done for.

So, what would be a truly productive approach? Instead of looking up, we should be looking down, to children, to the ‘weak’, to animals, to nature. Some kind of truth and reconciliation process (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95745-CIA-Good-Guy-Robert-David-Steele&p=1131361&viewfull=1#post1131361), where those with the least to confess (and the most suffering endured) to take responsibility for whatever part they have played in the overall drama – what I call dedramatization: see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1099126&viewfull=1#post1099126), specifically point 5) – in order to make it easier for others more deeply mired to extricate themselves. Let us strip through all the seemingly unforgivable stuff and deal with it so that it stops. Then we can see if there is anything left that really cannot be handled in this way. We have a mechanism for this: it is the domino effect where dominoes of different sizes can overturn larger than themselves. How far this can go and how long this is all taking depends on getting as many dominoes in place, with no gaps, before initiating the process. Another property of the hologram is that it is independent of scale. For the expanding domino effect, follow the link in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89523-So-Why-hasn-t-Planet-Earth-been-invaded&p=1056949&viewfull=1#post1056949).

In the expanding domino effect, the idea of importance and providential individuals is undermined since large dominoes are ultimately toppled by tiny ones. Conspiracy theory is fundamentally looking in the wrong direction when it perceives ever-huger conspiracies with an endless string of ever-more powerful groups operating behind the scenes. This may be so, but that is not where the action is happening. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95816-Am-I-the-only-one&p=1132859&viewfull=1#post1132859).

[Bill Ryan]

But first, I must note that you have linked to a thread started by a person who has been banned, apparently, if I understand what "Unsubscribed" means correctly.
Can you comment on that?


Yes, that's correct. Someone might be unsubscribed for one or more of any number of reasons, and threads they've started or posts they've made during their Avalon tenure might well be very valid, valuable and interesting. No bathwater being thrown out with the babies, here. :)

Nowadays, if someone's unsubscribed, we announce what's happened with a brief explanation, if possible and appropriate, here:


RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS)

:focus:

[Seeking Senior]

A clarification on that. The story is told on this thread:


The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson)

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.
I will read the thread.

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

[mojo]

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.

Does anyone know the status of Pete also Bill is it possible you can share any of the info?

[AutumnW]

A clarification on that. The story is told on this thread:


The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson)

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.
I will read the thread.

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Several layers of security clearance are involved here. A 'white hat' wouldn't take the corniest horse and pony show route possible, to disseminate vital info. Nor would they be aiming for celebrity. Of course there are factions in the Pentagon -- but they still have to obey confidentiality contracts. If they don't they are in trouble.

Bill has described it very simply. What is is about his explanation you find difficult to understand? Are you actually seeking the truth or are you seeking sensation, some kind of ego reward, financial pay off? I don't get it.

[Shannon]

A clarification on that. The story is told on this thread:


The Saga of Dr. Pete Peterson (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4417-The-Saga-of-Dr.-Pete-Peterson)

Pete talked to us the entire day prior to filming... 12 hours, all off-record. I still have the audio, and it's all transcribed. Much of that has never been published.
I will read the thread.

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Several layers of security clearance are involved here. A 'white hat' wouldn't take the corniest horse and pony show route possible, to disseminate vital info. Nor would they be aiming for celebrity. Of course there are factions in the Pentagon -- but they still have to obey confidentiality contracts. If they don't they are in trouble.

Bill has described it very simply. What is is about his explanation you find difficult to understand? Are you actually seeking the truth or are you seeking sensation, some kind of ego reward, financial pay off? I don't get it.

Seeking senior believes that Corey lying, and Bill calling out those lies is some personal beef. Which if anything is completely backwards. She doesn't want to read any of the evidence members have posted and seems to be manipulating the truth to better represent Corey.

As a researcher, like she claims to be, one would think that she would be very willing to follow the links and do the reading necessary to find the truth....

[Seeking Senior]

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Bill Ryan,

Are AutumnW and Shannon speaking for you, or am I going to get an answer to my question from you, personally?

[Mike]

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Bill Ryan,

Are AutumnW and Shannon speaking for you, or am I going to get an answer to my question from you, personally?


Autumn and Shannon and Bill are really one and the same person, so say the conspiracy theorists. Theyve never been seen in the same place and at the same time, and we all find this very fishy. There are several threads about this actually, but I understand you don't read threads. Shame. It's a real doozy.

I hope this is helpful.

[Seeking Senior]

I hope this is helpful.
No, it is not.

[Nasu]

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Bill Ryan,

Are AutumnW and Shannon speaking for you, or am I going to get an answer to my question from you, personally?

You baffle me. Your responses ignor the meaning of the answers you are given and then you simply repeat this formula over and over again. The net result is a long meandering frustrated conversation about many points in no detail and with no conclusions. Never mind I'll will.

Despite your years you seem unable or perhaps unwilling to pick up on even the most basic of social cues. Your insistence on being answered by Bill reminds me of a child lashing out for attention... Nobody, even Bill, owes you one second of their attention more than they wish to give you..

By your own word you have made up your own mind as to who is real, who is fake, who is or is not being manipulated and who you trust. All within in a subject, the SSP, that requires SAP authorization well above SCI level clearance, a very dark realm and subject indeed.

So I just don't understand why you are here at all??? You baffle me..

I'm sorry if I offend you, you're behavior offends me, if that helps.

The one thing that we CAN agree on is that infighting within the truth movement is not only a terrible waste of our time but ultimately disclosure's nemesis. However, if we are to see via other people's viewpoints in order to expand our own understanding, we must first open our minds to the experience. Otherwise it will be no more life changing than the last science fiction movie or whistleblower testimony that we watched.... N

[Seeking Senior]

You baffle me.
Are you baffled by my request that Bill Ryan answer my question?

[Nasu]

You baffle me.
Are you baffled by my request that Bill Ryan answer my question?

No, not at all, your insistence or request if you prefer, on being answered by Bill is very consistent. Like I said, it's just everything else about you and the adversarial nature of your inquiry balanced with your firmly held beliefs that baffles me.

The fact that you wish Bill to continue to answer and engage with you whilst simultaneously questioning his good judgement baffles me, it makes no sense, it makes my head hurt. I'm starting to wonder if you are nothing more than a logarithm, a badly written one at that... N





Edit from Bill: I think you may mean an algorithm! :)



PS: Yes, thank you Bill, my bad. Glad we still have some humans left to spot the AI auto-correct errors...x... N

[Sierra]

Getting back on topic, yes the secret space program is credible. Corey is not credible, he lies incessantly.

But you DO know Ms. Senior, there is a blue bird mind control program, koff, koff...


[Can]we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" The project studied the use of hypnosis, forced morphine addiction and subsequent forced withdrawal, and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects. In order to "perfect techniques for the abstraction of information from individuals, whether willing or not", Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Project Bluebird researchers dosed over 7,000 U.S. military personnel with LSD, without their knowledge or consent, at the Edgewood Arsenal
in Maryland.


Please read Dr.____ 's book Bluebird: the deliberate creation of multiple personality disorder by [CIA] psychiatrists. He wrote it after receiving 15,000 pages of CIA documents on a Freedom of Information Act Request.


The intelligence world is a strange one and often unbelievable to outsiders. Yet there are many good sources of information to make sense of it. I suggest that you start by reading _________ The Conspirators, Bluebird, and David McGowan’ Pedophocracy.



The Blue Avians is a Mind Control Program for Members Inside a Secret Space Program of 1950s Origin
The _________ blog claims Blue Avians is a mind control program specifically for members inside Secret Space Programs. Project Bluebird, created by the CIA in 1950, became a precursor to the monstrous MK ULTRA.

Due to the fact that my last post I mentioned the ongoing Milab whistleblower testimony of “Corey” in the Secret Space Program, and his connection to the supposedly benevolent “Blue Avians” and the Sphere Alliance, I had to at least mention the inside scoop on this Exo-politics charade.

It does seem that most of the supersoldier whistleblowers are still acting out some kind of program, which may in and of itself be a type of “booby trap program” once a milab starts to recover memories and want to be free and “tell their story”. But what happens, is that many fall into another kind of trap, which I have seen over the years with abductees and contactees also.

Instead of continuing on into true healing and recovery, they seem to get stuck in the easily manipulated “ego” savior mode, which is taken advantage of by the ones who run them.

I do know that there are real programs going on in the military, secret space programs and occult weapons groups. No doubt there are real black operations going in all kinds of secret programs which may include various ET’s and unbelievable technology. But most are controlled information leaks, and you always have to ask yourself who is running the show, what the hierarchy really is, and to what beings they serve.

I removed all links and author's names Ms. Senior, because I know you don't like to do your homework... :ROFL: (But all info is from Avalon threads.)


So far, the story presented by Corey on Gaia holds up. Try writing that much fiction and accomplish the same quality... it will be a masterpiece.

Of course it holds up. It has to. It's a CIA program. These programs are applied strictly and rigorously, given they have thousands of victims whose stories and triggers must align.

[Sequoia]

Thanks you Bill Ryan for your earlier comment!

"Corey would never be allowed to say a word about his experiences if they were real."

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Yes, it is that simple…and unfortunately very true.

[Akeron]

So far, the story presented by Corey on Gaia holds up. Try writing that much fiction and accomplish the same quality... it will be a masterpiece.

Of course it holds up. It has to. It's a CIA program. These programs are applied strictly and rigorously, given they have thousands of victims whose stories and triggers must align.

Let me try to summarize what I've gathered so far as the general consensus...


There is a Secret Space Program
We know nothing about it
Whistleblowers mentioning it are all untrustworthy


I'm a little bit tired, so I'd appreciate you pointing out what I could have missed.

[Sierra]

So far, the story presented by Corey on Gaia holds up. Try writing that much fiction and accomplish the same quality... it will be a masterpiece.

Of course it holds up. It has to. It's a CIA program. These programs are applied strictly and rigorously, given they have thousands of victims whose stories and triggers must align.

Let me try to summarize what I've gathered so far as the general consensus...


There is a Secret Space Program
We know nothing about it
Whistleblowers mentioning it are all untrustworthy


I'm a little bit tired, so I'd appreciate you pointing out what I could have missed.

I think you are good so far... One thing we DO know is that there is a Bluebird program out there applied to the SSP victims, and it behooves us to take it into consideration.

Yes, tiring. It takes (it took me) years to integrate the conspiracy field, develop discrimination, pick out the truthers, and that includes the rage and sorrow that comes up during processing. :heart:

[Bill Ryan]

So far, the story presented by Corey on Gaia holds up. Try writing that much fiction and accomplish the same quality... it will be a masterpiece.

Of course it holds up. It has to. It's a CIA program. These programs are applied strictly and rigorously, given they have thousands of victims whose stories and triggers must align.

Let me try to summarize what I've gathered so far as the general consensus...



There is a Secret Space Program
We know nothing about it
Whistleblowers mentioning it are all untrustworthy



I'm a little bit tired, so I'd appreciate you pointing out what I could have missed.

That's really not accurate. :)


Yes, there's a Secret Space Program.
We definitely know some things about it.
Some whistleblowers are untrustworthy, or are for other reasons unreliable. (But some are the real deal, and are important witnesses.)

[Spellbound]

I have finished reading your comments on the thread.

Regarding the Pentagon, isn't it the case that there are factions and what Kerry would describe as "white hats" who are doing what they feel they can get away with to try to help bring about disclosure of the secret space program and at least partial disclosure of the ET presence?

Bill Ryan,

Are AutumnW and Shannon speaking for you, or am I going to get an answer to my question from you, personally?


Autumn and Shannon and Bill are really one and the same person, so say the conspiracy theorists. Theyve never been seen in the same place and at the same time, and we all find this very fishy. There are several threads about this actually, but I understand you don't read threads. Shame. It's a real doozy.

I hope this is helpful.


Haha, they're all Polkaroo!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Dave - Toronto

[7alon]

I have nothing to say regarding Corey Goode, but after reading my original post today, I would like to take back what I said about not believing John Lear. I'm not sure why I didn't believe him at the time. Perhaps I could sense deception in a different way? Maybe he knows a few things he was thinking about when being interviewed that he didn't want to talk about on film. Maybe it bugs him not to talk about it and it was hard holding back? I get that same feeling when I see the Pete Peterson interviews, but he (Pete) just doesn't have that energy to him - the type that shows when keeping secrets bothers you a lot..

[Akeron]

(But some are the real deal, and are important witnesses.)

Could you please tell me their names?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


One thing we DO know is that there is a Bluebird program out there applied to the SSP victims

Do you recall how we know that so I can have a look?

[Innocent Warrior]

@Akeron See post number four (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1102507&viewfull=1#post1102507) on this thread for a solid start in answering your question to Bill. :thumbsup:

[Akeron]

It takes (it took me) years to integrate the conspiracy field, develop discrimination, pick out the truthers, and that includes the rage and sorrow that comes up during processing.

I do feel for you and cannot imagine the challenges involved when facing such huge changes. I would like to share a bit of my story, as it went a little bit different. I had the great luck of stumbling over Project Camelot just as they started publishing videos, so I watched them when I was very young and as they were released. At no point I had to deal with any rage or sorrow, it was simply expanding my horizon. I feel very fortunate to have had this introduction into the subject. I educated myself for maybe 2 or 3 years in this area and went on to learn other things.

Since then I've had many experiences that showed me there is much more than our physical reality. I've also stumbled over individuals in these many years that would keep expanding my horizon. While the challenges are many, they were of a different sort. I came to this forum with the highest respect for the restless work in bringing the truth out with an endurance few can muster.

If my views seem to differ now, it is not because I do not agree with a lot of the opinions here... but rather that through my own experience I was able to take them further. I do not ask anyone to do the same. I simply offer a perspective, a signpost saying in all humility "This is the path I had walked on."

[Bill Ryan]

(But some are the real deal, and are important witnesses.)

Could you please tell me their names?

A lot of people. My list here is almost certainly very incomplete. I wrote this out pretty quickly, almost as free association. There'll be many, many more.


Dozens of the Disclosure Project witnesses (Greer did a good job back in 2001)
Dozens (if not hundreds) of Roswell (and other UFO crash and crash retrieval) witnesses
'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann)
'Anonymous' (aka 'Kewper')
Innumerable anonymous witnesses who have spoken under conditions of confidentiality to good researchers such as Jim Marrs, Rich Dolan, Timothy Good, Linda Howe, John Lear, Bill Deagle, George Knapp, Jay Weidner, Bill Hamilton, Bill Birnes, John Keel, Jacques Vallee, Karla Turner, David Jacobs, Robert Hastings (and many others: that's a very incomplete list, too)
Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler
Robert Collins
Mark McCandlish (and Brad Sorenson)
Gordon Novel's friend's nephew (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&p=72378&viewfull=1#post72378), which I think is important)
Ben Rich
Jim Goodall
Bob Lazar
Dave Rosenfeld
(I'll stop now! I might go on for another 30 minutes.)

I reserve any judgment (for the moment) on Bill Tompkins and Tom DeLonge.

See also this similar post on this thread, which you may have missed. (Innocent Warrior referenced this, too, in her post #92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1144681&viewfull=1#post1144681), in which she addressed you)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93650-Secret-Space-Program-Credibility&p=1102507&viewfull=1#post1102507

(It helps to do a lot of reading here — although we do know that's sometimes challenging, because this 'library' is so huge — before saying too much about subjects which you may not know not a lot about.)



One thing we DO know is that there is a Bluebird program out there applied to the SSP victims

Do you recall how we know that so I can have a look?

Try this! :) (My comment above about doing reading and personal research also applies.)


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Project+Bluebird%22

[Ewan]

If my views seem to differ now, it is not because I do not agree with a lot of the opinions here... but rather that through my own experience I was able to take them further. I do not ask anyone to do the same. I simply offer a perspective, a signpost saying in all humility "This is the path I had walked on."



Alarm bells were going off for me a couple of days ago, this one kind of dismissed the whole populace of Avalon as not yet ready to comprehend.

I would not be at all surprised if it transpired to be a joint infiltration. The latest in AI bots?

Too much of a stretch?

Probably. :)

[Ewan]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Project+Bluebird%22




Haha, that's brilliant. I just clicked the link to see what lay beyond and thought , wtf? Then the page re-opened with the search results.

[Nasu]

If my views seem to differ now, it is not because I do not agree with a lot of the opinions here... but rather that through my own experience I was able to take them further. I do not ask anyone to do the same. I simply offer a perspective, a signpost saying in all humility "This is the path I had walked on."



Alarm bells were going off for me a couple of days ago, this one kind of dismissed the whole populace of Avalon as not yet ready to comprehend.

I would not be at all surprised if it transpired to be a joint infiltration. The latest in AI bots?

Too much of a stretch?

Probably. :)

Yup, probably too much of a stretch.. I don't want to give any ideas to the firm or other such world players, but it would be a great proving ground here for such new AI bots. Maybe your right, good bot bad bot tag team? I hope we are wrong, I hope Akeron is real. It does seem strange though that they would both enter and exit the party so to speak, at about the same time, perhaps just a coincidence. I hope Seeking Senior is actually not human, otherwise I truly feel for her future bumpy journey of self discovery....x... N

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I hope Seeking Senior is actually not human, otherwise I truly feel for her future bumpy journey of self discovery....x... N

I can understand the bumps along the road of trying to understand the game, trying to put pieces of the puzzle together.
I've been bumping along an alternative road since age 35 (1977), a road that I never expect to end.

35130

[Nasu]

I hope Seeking Senior is actually not human, otherwise I truly feel for her future bumpy journey of self discovery....x... N

I can understand the bumps along the road of trying to understand the game, trying to put pieces of the puzzle together.
I've been bumping along an alternative road since age 35 (1977), a road that I never expect to end.

35130

Your right of course Ron. All our paths for good or ill are bumpy, it's the bumps after all that teach us the most....x... N

[Mike]

Inflitrating a forum, especially one like this, takes *time*. You can't just show up and post casually one or two times in an unrelated thread and then expect all your pro corey or anti avalon crap to look spontaneous LOL.

WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA LEARN? WOW:facepalm:

I think I feel almost insulted by that effort.

I actually hope that wasnt some "official" attempt at a smear or whatever. I desperately want to have more faith in our gov guys than that.

[Hym]

Nasu, that thought about AI intrusion has crossed my mind over the years here. Either way it is in the mix as an analyzing tool, which is the basis for it's clandestine introduction into any human interface.

I too noticed that his/her initial post starting the thread on the spiritual implication of words, contained some warnings about his "opinions being highly biased, unscientific and sometimes plain wrong"(his words). If I were to write that statement and believed it about myself I would not have ever commented here or made the effort to join. I wouldn't see the point. That opening statement alone is a big heads up, but we are here without question to be supportive and help each other grow, so I and others gave him the support others have given us.

A saw a lot of conflict from within thru the expressions, conflict that we want people to face and help them become more at ease with solving on their own. If our insights are the conflict then go in peace, but his effort to get here had to have some need to share a viewpoint and hopefully more perspectives this group has to offer to enrich his life. I have benefitted a lot from so many different viewpoints and stories, even if in the base mind set of this forum we see a very scientific and heartfelt approach within the sharing. If this person were a close friend I would have asked those personal background questions a friend does in order to help advance whatever process is obviously causing the conflict we see in our talks.

[Sierra]

I hope Seeking Senior is actually not human, otherwise I truly feel for her future bumpy journey of self discovery....x... N

I can understand the bumps along the road of trying to understand the game, trying to put pieces of the puzzle together.
I've been bumping along an alternative road since age 35 (1977), a road that I never expect to end.

35130

LOVE this statement Ron! Brilliant!

[Innocent Warrior]

Inflitrating a forum, especially one like this, takes *time*. You can't just show up and post casually one or two times in an unrelated thread and then expect all your pro corey or anti avalon crap to look spontaneous LOL.

WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA LEARN? WOW:facepalm:

I think I feel almost insulted by that effort.

I actually hope that wasnt some "official" attempt at a smear or whatever. I desperately want to have more faith in our gov guys than that.

Rest assured you can have more faith in your gov guys than that, not too much though, they're human and make mistakes.

I had a paid shill infiltrate a research group I was in. She worked in tandem with a paid troll, it was obvious to all he was a troll, so it was a good writer/bad cop combination. She was a writer for the most popular research website covering the issue we were researching. It was a good website but conspicuously didn't cover the most sensitive and pertinent areas, but you had to know what was most pertinent to recognise that, most didn't.

After she freaked out at me over some evidence I had, insisting it was nothing, I became suspicious. I did some digging. Her and the troll were supposed to be living in two different countries. Amongst other evidence, I found the address of the shill and the troll, which was a silo in the middle of nowhere. My mistake was that I underestimated her, they seem to recruit aggressively, I showed the evidence to someone I trusted in the research group and she promptly showed it to the shill.

The end result was she turned almost everyone in the group against me, causing them to suspect me as a shill and the group disbanded. Their operation was successful, in two years they managed to cause almost everyone (we're talking about 95%) who was researching the topic to think that it was no longer worth pursuing. Oh, and I lost an awesome research tool because they very quickly adjusted the site I was using after she was shown my evidence on her :facepalm:. The shill covers politics now.

Moral of the story, if you're researching sensitive material, work alone, and never underestimate the destructive power of a relatively sloppy operation centred around a popular research writer.

[Innocent Warrior]

Correction on my previous post (I've changed a couple of terms too, to make it more accurate), I just checked her Twitter account, I hadn't looked at it for a while, the shill tweets anti-Trump stuff now, interesting. Still a writer and a reporter.

[Hym]

This is one of the reasons I appreciate this forum. I trust the friends we have here to such a degree that there have been many times that I will wait to read a thread/or not until it has been sifted thru and evaluated by the folks here. I only speed read the initial quotes about corey-too-goode-to-be-true and then read our reader's comments, all enough, like in Benny Full-of-Ford's case, to save us all some time, time we can enjoy doing other meaningful things.

When I see a topic I can definitely contribute to I jump in. It has been thru listening to myself talk here that I have learned to craft the words to come closer to being understood by others. Thanks to the ongoing efforts of the Mods and Bill and to all of us for maybe making their jobs easier when we can. Our collective works have kept any excessive amount of trolls, shills, and most of the paid ones out of the space we have been gifted.

Here's to us all for keeping the grounds of the Avalon cleaned on a regular basis, doing the dishes, washing the laundry, letting it dry out in the sun and prepping some good, hearty meals for all to share.

[Nasu]

Here's to us all for keeping the grounds of the Avalon cleaned on a regular basis, doing the dishes, washing the laundry, letting it dry out in the sun and prepping some good, hearty meals for all to share.

Here here. Bravo. I'll hunt the meat and cut the carrots. Here's to being human and spotting a fraud. This episode reminds me of an appropriate saying: Good judgement only comes from experience, experience only comes from bad judgement. Love you guys. Carry on....x.... N

[Mike]

Inflitrating a forum, especially one like this, takes *time*. You can't just show up and post casually one or two times in an unrelated thread and then expect all your pro corey or anti avalon crap to look spontaneous LOL.

WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA LEARN? WOW:facepalm:

I think I feel almost insulted by that effort.

I actually hope that wasnt some "official" attempt at a smear or whatever. I desperately want to have more faith in our gov guys than that.

Rest assured you can have more faith in your gov guys than that, not too much though, they're human and make mistakes.

I had a paid shill infiltrate a research group I was in. She worked in tandem with a paid troll, it was obvious to all he was a troll, so it was a good writer/bad cop combination. She was a writer for the most popular research website covering the issue we were researching. It was a good website but conspicuously didn't cover the most sensitive and pertinent areas, but you had to know what was most pertinent to recognise that, most didn't.

After she freaked out at me over some evidence I had, insisting it was nothing, I became suspicious. I did some digging. Her and the troll were supposed to be living in two different countries. Amongst other evidence, I found the address of the shill and the troll, which was a silo in the middle of nowhere. My mistake was that I underestimated her, they seem to recruit aggressively, I showed the evidence to someone I trusted in the research group and she promptly showed it to the shill.

The end result was she turned almost everyone in the group against me, causing them to suspect me as a shill and the group disbanded. Their operation was successful, in two years they managed to cause almost everyone (we're talking about 95%) who was researching the topic to think that it was no longer worth pursuing. Oh, and I lost an awesome research tool because they very quickly adjusted the site I was using after she was shown my evidence on her :facepalm:. The shill covers politics now.

Moral of the story, if you're researching sensitive material, work alone, and never underestimate the destructive power of a relatively sloppy operation centred around a popular research writer.




Wait....did you just say "good cop, bad cop"? Why does that seem so oddly familiar? Where have we seen that lately? Hmmmmmm:wink:

[Innocent Warrior]

My post is a very brief summary of everything that happened. There were actually a few bad cops, I just zeroed in on that particular one because his alignment with the writer was veiled far more thinly than the others.

A cool thing that happened though. Another contributing writer from that popular website eventually saw through the shill and guess who she came to when she did? That was quite revealing to find out exactly what detalls weren't allowed to be published on the site. :)

[Bill Ryan]

Here's an interesting section from Richard Dolan's outstanding recent Australian presentation — which I cannot recommend too highly. At 2:19:48, Richard gives his opinion about secret space program whistleblowers.

Transcript:




I guess I’ll take this minute to comment on some of the claims that many people who have been self-described whistleblowers have had to say about a secret space program.

And I'm not here to say that every one of them is fictitious, but when I like to talk about a secret space program I try to limit my comments to what I think is defensible.

So there have been legitimate whistleblowers in the past, in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and there are others even more recently who I think have had legitimate things to say. All of those individuals are people whose backgrounds I can confirm. People like Karl Wolfe, people like Donna Hare, who were at NASA and Wright Pat[terson] back in the 60s and 70s. I know who they are.

There are people more recently who claim they’ve gone to Mars, who have had encounters with different types of creatures on Mars, none of which is even remotely confirmable in my opinion. And the fact that they corroborate each other means nothing to me. Not a thing.

I mean, if you wanted to lay waste to this field, it'd take you 6 months to get up to speed on the lore that’s out there, and then you could come up with a very detailed story and go to the first person willing to video you, and you, too, could be a whistleblower.

And you could then devise impossibly unprovable types of evidence that make it very convenient, that, you know, simply can’t be proven. And without giving away any true science. So, no, I don’t think that this is helpful.

And the only other thing I would add is that if I were running a secret space program, and I did not want the rest of the world to know about it, I would very likely create my own form of disinformation about this, and I would look for people who would be willing to say truly outrageous things, (a) to cause the mainstream skeptical world to just dismiss the whole thing, and (b) to cause the whole enormous group of researchers who take this seriously to go into dead ends.

And I believe this is exactly what HAS happened.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

[Bayareamom]

Question for you, Bill: What timeline as per Tompkins' testimony, do you have issues with? Just curious. Also, I believe at some point on another thread, you mentioned you felt Mark Richards' story 'may' be credible (but as I understood your comment, you weren't quite sure). Have you seen the following regarding Richards?

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/146/306.html

OR

https://sites.google.com/site/skyzabove/

To be sure, I would really like your opinion regarding the timeline issues you state you have issues with as regards Tompkins' interviews. Thanks.

[Bayareamom]

To be sure, I queried about Bill's issues with Tompkins because to me he can absolutely verify quite a bit of the information he has shared recently, but yet I do have to wonder why Bill would feel Richards MAY be credible, when if one reviews the two links I've provided, the information presented in those links quite honestly does a lot of damage to Richards' testimony. Richards was found with the dead man's possessions ON HIS PERSON, including the deceased man's credit cards (all information pertaining to this included within court transcripts of Richards' trial). Every person has a right to his or her opinion, but I see credibility issues with Richards' testimony. Tompkins, to me, seems completely legitimate.

[Bayareamom]

One more thing re Dolan if I may: I really do like Dolan's work. He's top notch in so many ways. But here is a statement I found about Dolan by someone who I feel really hit the nail on the head when it comes to Dolan's research. He made the following comment, "Rich is intelligent and he is a good and diligent researcher, but we must understand him in the context of who he is, which means all the limitations of who he is as well. These limitations also reflect in his research, and in everything in his life. If we keep those in mind, his research is a great complement to our learning, but we must also understand that there is so much more to the field of "ufology" and to high strangeness as a whole that Rich could never touch because of the limitations he has imposed on himself as a result of not having a real general drive for truth."

There is SO MUCH more to this phenomenon than what Dolan has ever really stated in a public purview. No where does he mention our spirituality as it pertains to this phenomenon; he doesn't mention, nor has seemingly researched the ET/abduction issue. The Reptilian factor does not get mentioned by him (nor by too many others who are considered top ufology researchers). To ME, unless these issues are brought to the forefront of this phenomenon and dealt with in an honest fashion during various presentations (as much as is possible), then the full context as to what is behind this phenomenon just gets lost in the vapors.

I do admire Dolan's research very much, but again...he touches on just one small piece of the puzzle during his lectures. JMHO, anyway.

[mojo]

Probably wouldnt find anyone on the forum that disagrees that we have a secret space program. And there are some credible indicators out there, ie footage, trace evidence, unique metals, implants, and technology. Because of current events and the possibility of nukes SSP technology might be used to stop Kim as he does not look like he wants to bargain. Also what other time is more important to the human race and other living things than stopping a launch? Maybe an aspect of hidden tech was used on the last launch?

[Bill Ryan]

One more thing re Dolan if I may: I really do like Dolan's work. He's top notch in so many ways. But here is a statement I found about Dolan by someone who I feel really hit the nail on the head when it comes to Dolan's research. He made the following comment, "Rich is intelligent and he is a good and diligent researcher, but we must understand him in the context of who he is, which means all the limitations of who he is as well. These limitations also reflect in his research, and in everything in his life. If we keep those in mind, his research is a great complement to our learning, but we must also understand that there is so much more to the field of "ufology" and to high strangeness as a whole that Rich could never touch because of the limitations he has imposed on himself as a result of not having a real general drive for truth."



The same person wrote, in the same post (in Sept 2010, six and a half years ago)




"My point is that Rich, or anyone for that matter, who is involved in "fringe" research so to speak is certainly not doing it because of some inner drive for truth if they limit themselves to one field. Once you have an inner drive for truth and to wake up, once you're at that point of your learning cycle, then limiting your knowledge acquisition to any one particular area is impossible and absurd. Rich's lack of real interest in psychopathy, his inability to understand how vital this is for mankind to understand right now, and his delegation of the Wave series to his wife because it's just a bunch of "paranormal stuff" as he apparently perceives it, is clear evidence that he really isn't looking for truth. The UFO phenomenon may fascinate him personally, and he may think it's important, but that's all there is - just a personal fascination with a particular phenomenon, it has nothing to do with a general earning for truth. He hasn't hit any kind of intellectual/emotional bankrupcy yet that is pretty much required for someone to start REALLY questioning themselves and reality at large, he is no different than someone who just happens to like biology for example. He just happened to like ufology."

Yes, but that's totally not true.

Do please watch all of Richard's Australian presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4) (that I linked to above), entitled The Geopolitics and Future of UFO Secrecy. That one starts at 1:55:32 in the long, double-presentation video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4).

One can readily and clearly see what Richard knows about, and what he profoundly cares about. It's a world-class lecture that shows his grasp of exactly what's happening in the world. Not just in the skies and beyond. :)

[7alon]

One more thing re Dolan if I may: I really do like Dolan's work. He's top notch in so many ways. But here is a statement I found about Dolan by someone who I feel really hit the nail on the head when it comes to Dolan's research. He made the following comment, "Rich is intelligent and he is a good and diligent researcher, but we must understand him in the context of who he is, which means all the limitations of who he is as well. These limitations also reflect in his research, and in everything in his life. If we keep those in mind, his research is a great complement to our learning, but we must also understand that there is so much more to the field of "ufology" and to high strangeness as a whole that Rich could never touch because of the limitations he has imposed on himself as a result of not having a real general drive for truth."



The same person wrote, in the same post (in Sept 2010, six and a half years ago)




"My point is that Rich, or anyone for that matter, who is involved in "fringe" research so to speak is certainly not doing it because of some inner drive for truth if they limit themselves to one field. Once you have an inner drive for truth and to wake up, once you're at that point of your learning cycle, then limiting your knowledge acquisition to any one particular area is impossible and absurd. Rich's lack of real interest in psychopathy, his inability to understand how vital this is for mankind to understand right now, and his delegation of the Wave series to his wife because it's just a bunch of "paranormal stuff" as he apparently perceives it, is clear evidence that he really isn't looking for truth. The UFO phenomenon may fascinate him personally, and he may think it's important, but that's all there is - just a personal fascination with a particular phenomenon, it has nothing to do with a general earning for truth. He hasn't hit any kind of intellectual/emotional bankrupcy yet that is pretty much required for someone to start REALLY questioning themselves and reality at large, he is no different than someone who just happens to like biology for example. He just happened to like ufology."

Yes, but that's totally not true.

Do please watch all of Richard's Australian presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4) (that I linked to above), entitled The Geopolitics and Future of UFO Secrecy. That one starts at 1:55:32 in the long, double-presentation video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4).

One can readily and clearly see what Richard knows about, and what he profoundly cares about. It's a world-class lecture that shows his grasp of exactly what's happening in the world. Not just in the skies and beyond. :)

I must say Bill, a simple click to 'thank you' isn't nearly enough for this post. This is an absolutely fascinating presentation. I am only 12 minutes in and I'd definitely highly recommend watching this. He is very specific with his information. Absolutely mind boggling that the CIA had at least 400 journalists on their payroll. This is the kind of detail I enjoy. I cannot stand small talk, I just want to hear the facts, which is what Richard Dolan has always done extremely well.

Update: I really enjoyed his discussion on the reasons behind non disclosure and the possible disclosure scenarios. This is the kind of thing that needs to be discussed more; this being the grey area in our society. Very little is actually black and white. Excellent.

[Atlas]

[...] I've had doubts about what the "Secret Space Program (SSP)" is about [...]
Probably about Secret Space Experiments like
Nuclear Weapons Test In Space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmdBFoQtVvU)
Q58-la_yAB4


An Old Theory Goes up in Cool Flames (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/cool_flame.html)
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/main_heptane_xl.jpg

[findingneo]

Sorry if I am asking a silly question, but how many SSP folk have come forward to date? (Ok, so I see Bill has answered this question in another thread since i wrote this Q). Thanks Bill.

[sunwings]

Trump Hints At Plan To Create 'Space Force' As Sixth Military Branch

Trump previously floated the idea of a space corps in March in a speech to military members in California. The proposal, which has received congressional support in the past, is facing criticism from the Pentagon. The creation of such a force would mark the first new military branch since the Air Force was established in 1947.

"I was saying it the other day – 'cause we're doing a tremendous amount of work in space – I said, maybe we need a new force. We'll call it the space force," Trump said in March. "And I was not really serious. And then I said, what a great idea. Maybe we'll have to do that."

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/21/613017475/trump-hints-at-plan-to-create-space-force-as-sixth-military-branch

[petra]

Oh my goodness. He sounds like an idiot, but maybe Trump's not so bad after all. I'd just love for him to stumble onto some secrets and then tweet them to us, question is, would anyone even believe him :)

[Thre]

first i would like to say i am new here and this is my first post. i actually found this forum via a web search about the ssp. my belief is there is a ssp but like many of you, i find corey and a few others stories to just be unbelievable. i learned of him from david wilcox gaia series, which i had been watching for some time and found to be quite interesting. my question to ya'll is, what do you think the purpose of the ssp is? is it just because they can or is there another reason for all of this?

[Carmody]

Concurrently, the small pieces required for the fulfillment for coming into being...of Dan Burisch's timeline explorations, those bits seem to be coming into shape.

Nazis in space, associations with nazi's, ~50k or ~80k years later (depends on the time line), they come back, as the greys, or similar. And that another set went to mars (not the nazi-ish group).


We've got Elon Musk looking to arrange a highly intellectual utopia on mars (probably with an average iq of not less than 120--to start) I won't provide a link on that, it's too easy to find and too well known

And the apparent reason for the greys coming back: genetic faults. Not enough variety. Too much genetic monoculture that has been built into place through tampering too much.

That, I will provide a link for: DARPA looking to gentility modify humans to deal with toxic environments, instead of fixing the environment.

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2018-05-25 (direct DARPA link!)

Zerohedge article on the above link (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-30/resident-evil-darpa-unveils-genetic-tuning-fight-chemical-radiation-attacks)

Joseph Farrell's summation (https://gizadeathstar.com/2018/06/darpas-transhumanist-plans/)

The reason I look at the Dan Burisch aspect at all, or keep it in mind, is that his description of a dimensional or temporal gate, is exactly as I envisioned the technology would take shape as. At least with respect to a terrestrial gate done by primitive technological means.

[Bill Ryan]

first i would like to say i am new here and this is my first post. i actually found this forum via a web search about the ssp. my belief is there is a ssp but like many of you, i find corey and a few others stories to just be unbelievable. i learned of him from david wilcox gaia series, which i had been watching for some time and found to be quite interesting. my question to ya'll is, what do you think the purpose of the ssp is? is it just because they can or is there another reason for all of this?

Well, what was the purpose of Columbus sailing across the Atlantic (or the Vikings before him! :) ) — or Magellan and Cook sailing round the world?

As British mountaineer George Mallory famously replied to a journalist who asked him why he wanted to climb Mount Everest: "Because it's there."

There may also be other reasons than 'pure' exploration. Many have speculated that it's in the strategic interest of the Breakaway Civilization to reach out to establish colonies elsewhere... maybe as an insurance policy should anything 'happen' here on Planet Earth.

See this thread, about how those in the 'Breakaway Civilization' may be planning to leave the planet. Nothing has reduced my sense that there's a great deal there that's all too credible.


From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis)

[Carmody]

They (super rich) started gathering in New Zealand, recently.... (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich)

[Chris]

first i would like to say i am new here and this is my first post. i actually found this forum via a web search about the ssp. my belief is there is a ssp but like many of you, i find corey and a few others stories to just be unbelievable. i learned of him from david wilcox gaia series, which i had been watching for some time and found to be quite interesting. my question to ya'll is, what do you think the purpose of the ssp is? is it just because they can or is there another reason for all of this?

Well, what was the purpose of Columbus sailing across the Atlantic (or the Vikings before him! :) ) — or Magellan and Cook sailing round the world?

As British mountaineer George Mallory famously replied to a journalist who asked him why he wanted to climb Mount Everest: "Because it's there."

There may also be other reasons than 'pure' exploration. Many have speculated that it's in the strategic interest of the Breakaway Civilization to reach out to establish colonies elsewhere... maybe as an insurance policy should anything 'happen' here on Planet Earth.

See this thread, about how those in the 'Breakaway Civilization' may be planning to leave the planet. Nothing has reduced my sense that there's a great deal there that's all too credible.


From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis)


Since we are fairly sure that the Breakaway Civilisation has Nazi origins, it would logically follow that they took the original Nazi ideologies and expanded on them at a Cosmic level. I think their main goal is conquest and to create more living space for the Aryan race. If you look at Imperial Germany's policies from the late 19th century onward, it was all about racial superiority and finding more living space for the excess population of Germany.

At that time millions were emigrating to the US, Australia, Brazil, Argentina and even Eastern Europe, these were all lost citizens for Germany. They wanted to consolidate their own emigration to colonies they actually owned and controlled, so they conquered lands where people were less technologically advanced and warlike than they were. Then they proceeded to enslave or exterminate the local population so that colonists could take their place. Today's Namibia was a particularly nasty example and many top Nazis cut their teeth as colonial officials.

Extrapolating from this, we can assume that they still go around conquering other planets and enslaving or exterminating their populations. They have probably already settled millions on other planets outside our solar system. There is actually a prophecy to this effect in the Bhagavata Purana, which tells the life story of Vishnu's 10 main avatars, including a future one, Kalki. In this part the writers describe the future of humanity from their perspective, thousands of years in the future.

They say that in the future, humanity will develop the ability to travel to other planets using rockets, developed by a scientist called Maya. Humans will conquer many planets and enslave their population, waging war all over the Galaxy and causing untold suffering to humans on other planets. A big chunk of the Bhagavata Purana actually takes place on other planets and describes them in detail.

The point is, humanity will basically be (or already is), like the Empire in Star Wars, conquering many worlds in a brutal fashion. This is when Kalki, the final avatar of Vishnu is born and he will supposedly destroy the wicked and return balance to the Galaxy. Note, that I am interpreting this as Galaxy, the original Hindu term may have been Solar System, that's how far their astrological knowledge really went in those days.

[mountain_jim]

Hello and welcome to new member Thre.

I am also happy to see both Carmody around and this thread and sub-forum getting some new activity.

It was researching Dan Burisch on the internet that first lead me to Project Camelot, and his interviews there, then later here to Avalon.

I also thought his descriptions of the time viewing and portal devices might have truth to them.

[Bill Ryan]

It was researching Dan Burisch on the internet that first lead me to Project Camelot, and his interviews there, then later here to Avalon.

I also thought his descriptions of the time viewing and portal devices might have truth to them.

I really do think so. See this important Project Camelot page:


Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold? (https://web.archive.org/web/20080420060046/http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html)

That was a detailed report, written up from memory immediately after the meeting, of a spontaneous 5 (five!) hour debrief from Dan Burisch in a very noisy Las Vegas casino restaurant on 10 Dec 2007. He'd been on a 'sabbatical' the previous 6 months, and had been unavailable, not answering any e-mail messages.

As you can see from the report, it was ALL about a classified, high-tech investigation of possible and probably future timelines. Timeline 1, Variant 83 was evaluated in late 2007 to hold the most probable future at that time, one in which Hillary Clinton was elected president in 2008, fairly soon after followed by financial collapse and global nuclear war. Dan's account of all this was 100% credible and convincing, and contained an astonishing amount of fine detail.

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It was researching Dan Burisch on the internet that first lead me to Project Camelot, and his interviews there, then later here to Avalon.

I also thought his descriptions of the time viewing and portal devices might have truth to them.

I really do think so. See this important Project Camelot page:


Timeline 1, Version 83: What may the Future Hold? (https://web.archive.org/web/20080420060046/http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html)

That was a detailed report, written up from memory immediately after the meeting, of a spontaneous 5 (five!) hour debrief from Dan Burisch in a very noisy Las Vegas casino restaurant on 10 Dec 2007. He'd been on a 'sabbatical' the previous 6 months, and had been unavailable, not answering any e-mail messages.

As you can see from the report, it was ALL about a classified, high-tech investigation of possible and probably future timelines. Timeline 1, Variant 83 was evaluated in late 2007 to hold the most probable future at that time, one in which Hillary Clinton was elected president in 2008, fairly soon after followed by financial collapse and global nuclear war. Dan's account of all this was 100% credible and convincing, and contained an astonishing amount of fine detail.

This is something the the Q group has also stated in the posts they provided on 4chan, 8chan and 8kun (The Hillary Timeline). They stated that if Hillary won in 2016, they were going to commit to another extinction level event. I will copy and past the quote:

"Perhaps someday people will understand ‘they’ had a plan to conduct ‘another’ mass extinction event."

https://qalerts.app/?n=154 < Link to post.