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Baron

14th April 2010, 18:33

You are all being had! Sorry to be a party pooper but you need to hear the truth and the DANGERS!

1: Jim Humble is making money out of this by his ambiguity why would he have 20 websites running, to sell his book that has the protocol for the naive!

2: When he says the protocols the silly formula are on his website they are also ambiguous and tell you false hoods so you have to buy the book.

3:Worst of all not only does he mention the wrong substance, he even has it written so on his websites! He does NOT know his Sodium chlorite from his Sodium Chlorate the next minute he says sodium hypochlorite and then says don't use it, use the calcium hypochlorite then he tells you mms is chlorine dioxide then he says its sodium chlorite. c102?!!!

4:This knowledge has been known for 100 years! The use of this mms was used for a pre-dusch for gonorrhoea patients before men had silver oxide(some quacks even substituted deadly mercury because they got their chemicals mixed up) shot up their urethra, and the afterwards!
They even used citric acid so this is not new only the words MMS and now MMS2 for calcium hypochlorite!

5: This method has been known for people going in the bush for a 100 years yes it does help with parasites ,malaria,worms and even tooth infections because its a disinfectant! But its not a new or magic formula. If this was so fantastic somebody at least a few good Doctors would have seen some amazing result and reported it? Nobody has because its just a water disinfectant and can help with some basic infections. But why is chlorine the bad boy today which purifies our tap water? Because they know know that chlorine sits in our flesh and comes back to haunt us because it weakens the immune system due to its constant build up and you cannot flush it out!

6:Now because many people have mistaken some of the chlorine compounds and no doubt because of this man many have become seriously damaged and ill, mostly because of his incompetent statements and his ambiguity.

"Sodium chlorate products are to be withdrawn from the market due to an EC decision on the chemical, and its associated hazards. They will be available until the 30th of September 2009 to purchase, and are given approval for their use by any person until 10th of May 2010."

"Toxicity in humans

Due to its oxidative nature, sodium chlorate can be very toxic if ingested. The oxidative effect on hemoglobin leads to methaemoglobin formation, which is followed by denaturation of the globin protein and a cross-linking of erythrocyte membrane proteins with resultant damage to the membrane enzymes. This leads to increased permeability of the membrane, and severe hemolysis. The denaturation of hemoglobin overwhelms the capacity of the G6PD metabolic pathway. In addition, this enzyme is directly denatured by chlorate reducing its activity.

Therapy with ascorbic acid and methylene blue are frequently used in the treatment of methemoglobinemia. However, since methylene blue requires the presence of NADPH that requires normal functioning of G6PD system, it is less effective than in other conditions characterized by hemoglobin oxidation.

Acute severe hemolysis results, with multi-organ failure, including DIC and renal failure. In addition there is a direct toxicity to the proximal renal tubule [2]. The treatment will consist of exchange transfusion, peritoneal dialysis or hemodialysis.[3]"

Oh and before I go yes most Africans may well feel better because most of them suffer from worms and parasites even those with deadly diseases! But they will only feel good for so long.

If you must take this stuff you would be better off taking some water purification tablets which are the same and adding your own citric acid! But I would not take any chlorine today we get enough in our drinking water which is lethal...Oh and one last comment on this,heard of things like Oxy-C or liquid oxygen or wonder how they make the emergency oxygen masks work on planes? Well its the same they just use iron oxide as the catalyst!

Regards
Baron
PS: His other idea of burning radioactive waste is not new!!! My oh my! This is common knowledge when burnt at high temps the radioactivity is coated with carbon by three days its hardened and the radiation does not leak out! Break the carbon or after a short period the carbon decays the radio activity leaks again! Its temporary for low grade radioactive waste, known for years!

onawah

14th April 2010, 20:01

Thanks to Baron for his informed comments.
I was infected with viruses from Rhesus monkeys in the SV40 polio virus vaccine when I was a child. Many people of my generation came down with cancer, lupus, CFS and more when they hit their 40s and died. I survived, with CFS, chronic fatigue, a hypothyroid condition and fibromyalgia.
These conditions are treatable if you have the money for homeopathic protocols, vitamins and supplements, which I haven't had for the most part, so I bought a bottle of MMS last year and used it up within a matter of months. It was very HARSH!!! It may have killed some parasites and viruses, but it certainly felt like it was doing some damage in the process, and I can't say I feel like it did much lasting good, if any.
When I saw the news about MMS2, a big red flag went up for me. I mean, why would anyone want to take pool chemicals into their bodies? If I had a pool, I would use hydrogen peroxide or ozone to keep it clean, not chlorine. I just bought a shower filter to keep chlorine OUT of my water! As if we didn't have enough access to it already... There is a huge epidemic of thyroid disorders on the planet now because of excessive chlorine, bromine, etc. in our water and food supply.

I think people deserve to have a lot more information about this from informed scientists who really understand the chemistry of these formulas.

samvado

14th April 2010, 22:28

Thanks to Baron for his informed comments.

I will have to agree.

1.) I tried the original MMS when it was "news" ca. 3 years ago. It not only did not work on 3 different infections I had (The flu, athletsfoot and herpes) - it also diminished the REALY GOOD results I had achieved with ORMUS (thats another story, you can read here (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMus/whatisit.htm). So in my own forum I suggested people dont use it - that was 2007, before the hype.

2.) Even in the early 90s it was known that Brown's Gas could neutralize low level radioactivity. The knowledge was suppressed but if you google it you find tons of articles about it.

3.) Considering Hulda Clark's Zapper is traded by at least one Forum Mod as "medicine" and her wild (and wrong) theory that all cancer is based on the flukeworm it does not totally surprise to hear this MMS report on avalon.

4.) It may not be coincidence that the interview was conducted in the house of the one person who makes a LOT of money by publishing the German book on MMS. He is a VERY nice person BUT it may not be all altruism as the name Humble might suggest.

Wood

14th April 2010, 23:52

My experience with MMS2 is positive so far. From the blood tests of a person with cancer stage IV, during 4 weeks, I have concluded that the weeks she was taking mms2 both her white cells and red cells went up, and the other way round. I conclude MMS2 alleviated white cells from part of their job. Also it seems it helps with (minor) pain.

The chemical reaction is, from what I have checked in a few places, as Jim Humble says in his site:
Calcium hypochlorite + Water → Hypochlorous Acid + Calcium Hydroxide
Ca(OCl)2 + 2 H2O → 2 HOCl + Ca(OH)2

An analogous reaction occurs with Sodium hypochlorite, and I've found that product is actually prescribed in Peru for arthritis. Apparently there are some companies using Hypochlorous Acid for healing. I remember having found one that uses it to heal burns, and I have read it is used during surgery as an antiseptic...

Hypochlorous Acid is the key product here. It is used to purify the water, both drinking water and pools, and also it is used by our immune system.
Calcium Hydroxide is corrosive (but not as much as Sodium Hydroxide), but I've found it is used on at least a calcium supplement, and I've found papers where it has been proposed as a cheap calcium supplement for cows and other animals. So I've concluded it must not be too dangerous, particularly in such small quantities.

I have tested it on myself while having two minor infections and they disappeared hours after taking a capsule of MMS2.

I do not buy the 'miracle' part but I think it is potentially quite useful and it should be properly researched.

To buy just 'Calcium hypochlorite' with no other active agents I contacted many makers and requested the full composition of the products they were selling (for pools or purifying drinking water). It seems nowadays there are many other chemicals for pools so be careful if you buy it.

EDIT: neither MMS1 nor MMS2 is the same 'chlorine' that is bad for us. From what I've seen this is a common misconception repeated in many places this is discussed.

Maybe Jim Humble is getting some money from both MMS1 and MMS2, but it is possible to get them (as I've done) without giving him a single cent. Now that I am convinced it works I am going to make an (small) donation.

Wood

15th April 2010, 00:14

Better even its the same name Calcium Hypochlorite.
BUT....I'm not sure about the additives.........

Contact the maker to know it. I ended up buying a product designed for purifying drinking water, just to be safe. Apart from Calcium Hypochlorite it contained inactive salts. The maker also confirmed it was exactly the same product they were selling for pools, but under a different name because each one was approved for just one use. Also, from the leaflet with risks, etc, the risk quoted for the ingestion of an small quantity of the product (and I am sure 50mg, a capsule, is an small quantity) was just some irritation of the mouth, throat and esophagus.

haibane

15th April 2010, 00:19

Wood,
the chemical reaction is BOUND to be much more complicated than that, considering where it takes place - in your stomach. There are other acids and stuff already there, so it should be expected that the reaction and its product will vary from individual to individual. That said (and I have said it before on PA as well as PA2) a friend of mine tried it, and although he was extremely sceptic, also considering his rather advanced understanding of the subject, it actually worked for him (a real bad flu which he needed to heal quickly in order to be able to travel), as well as for a few other of his friends. So even though I would most likely try it myself if I needed to, I'd be a bit careful about long-term use. This thing ought to be in the hands of serious researchers and proper MDs, but that of course is not likely to happen under the current circumstances.

haibane

15th April 2010, 00:33

Also, I forgot to mention (and this is also almost never mentioned) either of the products is never sold pure, as it is highly hygroscopic (absorbs water from air), therefore it always contains stabilisers to prevent deterioration, so the composition may also vary between producers. The purity is usually somewhere between 75 and 85 %.

Wood

15th April 2010, 00:53

Wood

15th April 2010, 01:06

Here is the pdf from the health service of Peru, in spanish: http://www.digemid.minsa.gob.pe/daum/farmacia/productos/25-09-2009/Hipoclorito%20de%20sodio.pdf
It refers to Sodium hypochlorite but the reaction with water is analogous to calcium hypochlorite (MMS2).

This link should be a google translation of the pdf file to english: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.digemid.minsa.gob.pe/daum/farmacia/productos/25-09-2009/Hipoclorito%2520de%2520sodio.pdf&sl=es&tl=en

shybastid

15th April 2010, 01:26

I personaly do not know the difference between hydrochoride and hydrochlorite. I'm not a chemist.
I do understand what a 510k clinical study is and how the FDA and American Medical Maunfacturers work. I REALLY do.:cool:
I'll agree with anybody,that certified,conclusive testing with results should be shown with results.
But to totally dismiss this? We agree to disagree.
Yep.. NO WAY I'm drinking pool chlorine to just"Flush" my system.
Also, I read somewhere that the product affects the Pineal Gland, kinda burns it.
That did'nt sound good either.
All I'm saying when I take it in low doses for 3 or 4 days, I FEEL better(Wife says I look better too. Of course she could be lieing..She always wants her way with me:love:). After that... the taste goes beyond my intake ability.

Swami

15th April 2010, 04:25

Contact the maker to know it. I ended up buying a product designed for purifying drinking water, just to be safe. Apart from Calcium Hypochlorite it contained inactive salts. The maker also confirmed it was exactly the same product they were selling for pools, but under a different name because each one was approved for just one use. Also, from the leaflet with risks, etc, the risk quoted for the ingestion of an small quantity of the product (and I am sure 50mg, a capsule, is an small quantity) was just some irritation of the mouth, throat and esophagus.

THX Wood......

kevlor

15th April 2010, 05:53

i say again -- thanks jim humble -- thanks again bill ryan.

this message is directed to those of you who have done the right thing, that is, educated yourself, by fully reading the book. then takeing the MMS1 or MMS2 with confidence. and have continued to read everything about the products over the years, so continue to have confidence in these products.

you have gained its benefits, as i have.

you will know what i mean when i just print the words:-
disinfo --- money --- big pharma --- FDA --- governments --- ignorance --- etc.

i stick to my statement that jim humble is a saint in the flesh, and thank him and bill once again ... kev

David1

15th April 2010, 07:37

Hello,
I answered already more than 1.000 emails on MMS in French since I translated the 2 books of Jim in 2008.
People are getting cured from many problems everyday.

But for sure many don't understand things right, and I have to explain them again by email.
So many don't read the books (even the free) one, and start questioning; I have to tell them to read the book and re-read it, because everything is in it !

For example Malawi state got 100% cure on Malaria when they conducted tests with MMS, who talked about in the International Organization and comitties to fight Malaria ?? Nobody is interested to cure any desease except Jim, he is the only one to publicised a cheap and efficient solution ! A solution that anyone can make himself by buying the raw chemical !!!!

Honestly, have you ever seen somebody promoting a product that you can make yourself, and going in poor countries to promote it there.
Giving it for free there. No I have never seen such act of charity by an individual person, except priests or nones.
Why is he going to such difficult countries if he was looking for money ? Why not staying in rich countries and promoting his book daily on radio and newspapers, and starting to sell bottles of product himself ? He could make 100 times more money this way !
AND do you think that you are going to give the recipe of your fantastic product if you want to make money out of it ? NO ! Even soda and burger recipes are kept secret to protect the business !
Anyway everyone should make his or her own opinion by trying or asking to someone who tried already, that the only way to be convinced, buy seeing by your own eyes.

Anyway the proof is in the pudding, it costs just a few dollars to try, much less than to buy the toxic drugs the doctors force you to take, and results are spectaculary in most cases, unless the person didn't follow the instructions.

By the way I translated already the first 20 minutes of the interview in French, and it's here, if there is any francophone here: http://lemineralmiracle.com/
Thanks and good luck,
David

PS: Collecting the money from the sales of the Part 2 book in French for Jim, I can say that it's not much money !
Not enough to live under Western standard ! You better stay in a Third World country if you want to eat enough with such small money !

samvado

15th April 2010, 08:27

Hi there,

very interesting discussion. I can only amplify that my experience has been a complete disaster. It did not only not work, it made it worse.
My background is in organic chemistry and biology which i studied, to the day i do work with healing waters on a daily basis and keep up on other scietific themes. It is unlikely I had the formula prepared wrong. and yes, I have read the book.

How come it is discussed so controversally, even if the majority goes for "he is a saint" or some such.
I dont know. Similar things have been (and surprisingly still are) being said about Hulda Clarke who is a 100% fraud.

We all know that a good lie always contains some truth so in this case its quite a bit of truth, but in the end the stuff is more dangerous than good I would asume, and I WEIGHT my own experiences in the cited 3 cases much heavier than anything I read anywhere.

About money from the books: I happen to know the amount Nexus makes with the german edition because I am friends with the editor (in who's house the interview was done).
And although i will not devouch it here for obvious privacy reasons it is NOT a small amount. Maybe the French are just not interested?

If I am going to purchase anything from amazon I go read the 1-star comments, not the 5-star. I dont want jubilant stuff, I want to know where the faults are laying.
I hope I didnt hurt anybodies feelings :-)

Vidya Moksha

15th April 2010, 09:07

Hi there,

very interesting discussion. I can only amplify that my experience has been a complete disaster. It did not only not work, it made it worse.

I dont know. Similar things have been (and surprisingly still are) being said about Hulda Clarke who is a 100% fraud.

Interesting, when i can read it..im on dial up for another week, storing up links to you tube etc...and threads with graphics :-)

anyway, i read this thread...couple of comments.. first MMS cleared up a long standing skin problem I had.. interestingly i now have another in another location and it started as an open wound so MMS is too painful to use right now, aloe vera is doing ok thankfully..

also the zappers = a friend used one on her arthritic grandfather and he could walk afterwards, for the first time in a long time and she is a great believer in them... she persauded me to buy one, and i carry it still but have never used it... why dont they work? why would the zapper help with arthritis?

Wood

15th April 2010, 09:36

I hope I didnt hurt anybodies feelings :-)

No need to worry, It hasn't :)

I am posting this just to let people know my experience, thinking it is a good thing to, at least, try. I am not here because of my ego but because of my desire to help people. Of course I am not an MD so it is up to the reader to decide whether or not to try MMS1 or MMS2. I know I will take it myself as soon as I am ill and I will suggest it to people I meet in person, giving them the facts I have and letting them decide.

I do not think Jim Humble is a saint. I see much of the 'old way of thinking' in him, ego, but I believe he is a good man. I suspect he was not talking about MMS2 in his first PC interview (when he later mentioned he knows about this for 4 years) because he could not profit at all from MMS2, being simpler than MMS1. I do not believe he is going after profit but it could have been some ego related selfishness. He finally has done the right thing IMO by releasing it.

Again I do not think MMS1 or MMS2 are miraculous. I believe, from the reports all over the internet and trusting both Bill Ryan's instinct and Jim Humble's word, that they are useful for many people. I think they should be actively researched but, as I've posted in previous messages, I have found positive information.

I was very nervous the first time I took an MMS2 capsule fearing damage to the stomach but it worked for me without any pain at all. I know it is one of the few things I am taking with me in case there is some sort of catastrophic event since it also doubles as water purification.

Swami

15th April 2010, 10:26

kevlor

15th April 2010, 11:48

swami

this is the site for you to get all the info about MMS2 http://jimhumble.biz/index.htm

plus any other info on MMS1 ... kev

David1

15th April 2010, 12:44

@swami:
I am using only MMS 1, the sodium chlorite that we activate with citric acid.
Being healthy since using MMS 1, I never needed to buy MMS 2, so I have no personal experience at buying some.

Looking at your pictures, yes it is written Calcium Hypochlorite, so it is the right product !
After that being said, being in your place, I would check if it is a pure one.

Of course people swim in the water pool, so any product used in swiming pool must be food grade (pure enough), because it happens that swimers ingest some of the treated water.
So I think pool products can be ingested and used.

But be sure that it is only Calcium Hypochlorite before using it. Call the manufacturer and tell us what he said.

For example, in France, where I am now, I can't find pure Calcium Hypochlorite in shops !!
All products for water pool cleaning are mixes of several chemicals, and none is pure calcium hypochlorite !!

Hope this helps,
David

PS: You can read here that Jim uses products for swiming pools, so it seems OK with yours :)
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm

Wood

15th April 2010, 13:55

For example, in France, where I am now, I can't find pure Calcium Hypochlorite in shops !!
All products for water pool cleaning are mixes of several chemicals, and none is pure calcium hypochlorite !!

I live in Spain and I bought Calcium Hypochlorite in February. I spent a whole week locating the right product, contacting the manufacturers to check the composition. I guess in summer it would be easier to find it in shops but I was able to locate an online shop that sold it. I do not think it ships internationally though. I also found a few online shops in the UK but none wanted to ship the product abroad.

The products I found on malls, garden section, had different chemicals. What I found is that Calcium Hypochlorite is a cheap product used to 'shock' pools, that is, to quickly condition the water, but the chemical turns into salts in a couple of hours, or it evaporates. Other more modern (and more expensive) products stay in the water longer and so they are better suited for pools.

haibane

15th April 2010, 14:44

For example, in France, where I am now, I can't find pure Calcium Hypochlorite in shops !!
All products for water pool cleaning are mixes of several chemicals, and none is pure calcium hypochlorite !!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=9799&viewfull=1#post9799 - ie THIS thread, only ONE PAGE back ...

Swami

15th April 2010, 15:34

@swami:
I am using only mms 1, the sodium chlorite that we activate with citric acid.
Being healthy since using mms 1, i never needed to buy mms 2, so i have no personal experience at buying some.

Looking at your pictures, yes it is written calcium hypochlorite, so it is the right product !
After that being said, being in your place, i would check if it is a pure one.

Of course people swim in the water pool, so any product used in swiming pool must be food grade (pure enough), because it happens that swimers ingest some of the treated water.
So i think pool products can be ingested and used.

But be sure that it is only calcium hypochlorite before using it. Call the manufacturer and tell us what he said.

For example, in france, where i am now, i can't find pure calcium hypochlorite in shops !!
All products for water pool cleaning are mixes of several chemicals, and none is pure calcium hypochlorite !!

Hope this helps,
david

ps: You can read here that jim uses products for swiming pools, so it seems ok with yours :)
http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm

Thank you Sir, this answer gave me a good feeling...... :hail:

samvado

15th April 2010, 17:26

A relatively simple test would be a dark-field bloodtest. You take a sample from a healthy person and prepare it for DF. Then you take pictures in intervals of hours, at the most days.
then you give that same person MMS and take blood again, same procedure.

If the sample 1 lives longer it aint good, if 2 lives longer its good, if both live the same at least its not harmfull and may be good.

a group of about 40 people would be needed to get relevant results.

samvado

15th April 2010, 18:32

Thank you Sir, this answer gave me a good feeling...... :hail:

It shouldnt:

swimming pool poisons (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002839.htm)

Swami

15th April 2010, 18:51

It shouldnt:

swimming pool poisons (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002839.htm)

Last line Sam.......
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=9874&viewfull=1#post9874

Baron

15th April 2010, 19:11

Sam,

Your instincts are right on this subject.

I'm just waiting on a return telephone call and email from an old friend of mine from uni, who is a specialist Doctor MD of tropical diseases working in Africa.
Never guess where? Pure chance! Malawi! OH I cannot wait to tell the rest of the story but I must be patient! LOL...stay tuned! Humble was discussed!

So I wont divulge much more this minute but we have him snared! This MMS1 MMS2 is a con of the highest order! What Jim Humble calls, as I said in my earlier post MMS1 MMS2 is what use to be used for Malaria and other parasitic diseases! Its not new and its not good either except in small doses for these conditions!

I know myself I have taken it in the jungle many,many years ago!

Another thing that does not add up is what's on Humbles own websites, he states,

"750,000 people who have ordered MMS since 2006"

I remember when it was for sale at $19.99 approx, this site was last edited in 2008 and Not including the book! According to my math would that not make him a multi-millionaire? No wonder he looks so glad and happy with his shiny new false teeth and sun tan! Some people have a god complex, somebody like him could only be revered amongst the ignorant of the third world.

Oh and one other thing most of Africa is now totally resistant to the Malaria treatment "chloroquine" the most widely spread treatment! Now those who are chemists amongst you, who believe Santa is Jim Humble, who delivers your presents, break down this treatment and I wonder what you get?!!! LOL A clue Chlor....????? C102???

I cannot wait to tell you the rest, Humble wont be so humble in handcuffs!

Regards
Baron

samvado

15th April 2010, 19:45

anyway, i read this thread...couple of comments.. first MMS cleared up a long standing skin problem I had.. interestingly i now have another in another location and it started as an open wound so MMS is too painful to use right now, aloe vera is doing ok thankfully..

skin reaction are often to releif the liver/kidneys. They help getting rid of poisons or acids. to treat them with mms can theoreticaly only make it worse.

also the zappers = a friend used one on her arthritic grandfather and he could walk afterwards, for the first time in a long time and she is a great believer in them... she persauded me to buy one, and i carry it still but have never used it... why dont they work? why would the zapper help with arthritis?

the zapper did not help with arthritis (or anything else) : DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND CALL that friend and check if said grandfather is still symptom free. I bet you he is either dead or has arthritis. This disease is known to be very jumpy. you can have bad days and good days. I had arthitis in my right hand before I started using ormus, so I know.

in 2001 I was for quite a while into Hulda. I read her both bestellers cover to cover. I bought a zapper. because I was in india I had AMPLE chance to test it on me and friends. it did not work once. I was always very reserved when it came to her cancer theory (putting it mildly) - but I do know one case who used her methodology and DIED.
of course that does not proof much, but at least goes to show its not always a success as she insists.

if you look at it from a scientific perspective it is 100% rubbish. if she is right all our biology is wrong. if all our biology is wrong all the other interventions based on it would not work.
of course science has gotten a bad rep here. some is deserved, some not.

but you can always do a simple double blind test. find 80 friends with ailments. give 40 a zapper with a broken functionality (but lights still working and making a humming sound) and the other 40 a working sample with NO lights and NO humming. compare the results. I bet you the defunct zapper group has more healings.

Wood

15th April 2010, 19:58

but you can always do a simple double blind test. find 80 friends with ailments. give 40 a zapper with a broken functionality (but lights still working and making a humming sound) and the other 40 a working sample with NO lights and NO humming. compare the results. I bet you the defunct zapper group has more healings.

Maybe the key is the placebo effect and it is really us healing ourselves, always.

Swami

15th April 2010, 20:02

What about the Rife-instrument and the Bob Beck protocol Sam.....?

samvado

15th April 2010, 20:20

What about the Rife-instrument and the Bob Beck protocol Sam.....?

I once owned 2 rife machines, quite primitive really, frequency generators with handles and pre-programmable sequences.

I did not observe any healings. But I did not use them a lot and only on me and my GF at the time.

also: the REAL rife machine was working with tubes and the reason it worked may have had to do with that fact. I have the intuition that Royal Rife was a benevolent Genius, but I have nothing to proof it. maybe his microscope. if it did what it is said to be doing that alone was a genius invention.

I am sure the AMA did not shoot him down because he was a quack. the AMA as well as the FDA is a mob organizantion. the pharma cartell is the mob.

Hulda lived too long and wasnt sufficiently hassled to have been a real thread. If her claims would have been true she would have been dead or out of business very very much earlier.

stuart

21st April 2010, 02:17

hi , rito , I have got the capsules and 70% calcium hypochlorite filled some and have taken the first capsule ,. feelings of more sensitive in limbs slightly uneasy stomache increased body heat bit heady . questions that come to mind are . capsules to big for children . are capsules world wide uniform size . after initial dosage say for a week or two , what would be an on going dose , say one capsule a day .
HAVE bought his book have you? when it arrives will start making mms1 . have bought some mms1 , should arrive soon .
THOUGHTFUL ACTION
My chest is clearing quit quickly now , feel good less unsettled . bowel move almost straight away .
I am feeling more alert .
will keep u updated

stuart

22nd April 2010, 12:02

`hi end of day two still a little unsettled though a lot of glandular clearing , skin is healing quickly sun spots dissappearing . hunger is greater . lots of inner cleansing . didnt sleep well last night . all in all Ilike what is happening

lisa

22nd April 2010, 16:49

I'm just waiting on a return telephone call and email from an old friend of mine from uni, who is a specialist Doctor MD of tropical diseases working in Africa.
Never guess where? Pure chance! Malawi! OH I cannot wait to tell the rest of the story but I must be patient! LOL...stay tuned! Humble was discussed!
Baron, thanks for your take. I have been holding my breath on your update. :o
Wow Sam, thanks sharing your findings!

I thought MMS works based on this long MMS thread in PA1 http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4781 and the many recommendations for MMS as one of the few Swine Flu remedies. Thanks for the reality check!

It is odd how many MMS websites Jim Humble has, how there are only a few user testimonials on his main website, how he claims that MMS attack only the bad stuff and almost all bad stuff out there, and how he assertively said that he had not received a single complaint about MMS when 2 out of 9 reviews on his book on Amazon are complaints (one dead and two sick) http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Mineral-Supplement-21st-Century/product-reviews/1439207356/

I re-read the first third of the reviews on the PA1 thread and looks like the ratio of positive to skeptical review is around 2 to 1. Out of which Peer and Myplanet2 gave a lot of positive endorsement. Peaceandlove provided a lot of MMS info. While a few have tried MMS for quite some time with persistent discomfort (taken as a sign of deep detox at work).

Based on the reviews, the one thing that MMS seems to work is for clearing acne. It does not seem to work for skin fungus removal or cold/flu prevention.

Swanny, looks like you had used MMS for quite some time. I am curious about your current take on MMS, especially in regards to its effect on your friend's cancer. Thanks in advance!

samvado

23rd April 2010, 14:41

Sam,

Your instincts are right on this subject.

I'm just waiting on a return telephone call and email from an old friend of mine

did it ever come? people are piling up to hear what you have to say!

stuart

24th April 2010, 01:34

ok day four great discomfort , not sleeping much , doesnt seem to matter limbs skin joints muscles and mind real good form . because of stomache ache I will give it a rest today and resume tomorrow using 1/4 of dose

stuart

24th April 2010, 01:38

if people are going to make statements of truth , how about backing it up with some facts and evidence . other wise why say anything

3(C)+me

24th April 2010, 01:51

I have been taking MMS for about two years now. I am taking it to stay healthy. Since i have been taking it I don't even get so much as a cold anymore, no flu, aches or pains nothing. I only use maintance amount about 4/5 drops with lemon juice, I have a lemon tree out back. It works fine for me no complaints here.

Wood

24th April 2010, 07:09

because of stomache ache I will give it a rest today and resume tomorrow using 1/4 of dose

Maybe you should take it with empty stomach and more water. Also, if ache persist stop taking them! The person I know that is taking MMS2 has never had any stomach pain. She takes a capsule size 3 each time, that should contain half the amount of a size 0.

Merkhava

24th April 2010, 12:53

Thanks Bill,

I appreciate the work you've done to bring Jim Humble's discoveries out into the public domain. I have been using MMS1 for myself and my family for several years. It has always worked well for us to facilitate very speedy recovery from pathogenic illness and to prevent full blown illness whenever symptoms begin to show.

I'm glad to know about MMS2, and will personally experiment with it.

Best Regards,
Merkhava

paul1972

24th April 2010, 13:06

Just wanted to let you know I've been using MMS1 and cleared a feet fungus with it.

Cleared up my skin tremendously

I don't care what the skeptics say, it works for me.

I wouldn't recommend it for using it for a long term period, just to occasionally cleanse your body...

stuart

25th April 2010, 11:24

hi , today is sunday I have not taken any today as , I wanted un easy feeling to be gone complete sos I could take an over view of how I am . in short I feel taller and stronger my skin is amazing considering that it was or has only been 3 days taking 2 days not , smaller sun spot only just visible , larger one 75% gone , will be going on my monday cross country tomorrow cant wait .
thanks bill and jim for sharing the info .
I will actively be passing on the info .

stuart

27th April 2010, 03:25

hoky doky ,
its tuesday midday , have reduced to around 1/3 of size zero capsule , no discomfort , no nausea .
Went for monday x country run , ran further faster approx 9km . middle of day aloud myself to get sun burnt .
recovered from run within 20 min , felt like I could do it again , today sun burn was as if I had put three coverings of aloe vera .
Interesting was that the burn did not burn as it would usually . it is as though I have been in second gear and now im in fourth with goodness knows how many gears to go . yo

stuart

27th April 2010, 11:27

Hello and goodbye . well its been another great learning experience . Its fantastic that people have opinions . so go ahead and knock yourselves out .
great forum for opinions . my opinion is hold your own space and revel in it . as for calcium hypochlorite it is INCREDIBLE .
as for reading and writing , well not a waist of time , better put its enough for me.
baba nam kavalum
if i do appear it will be my wife not me .

Vidya Moksha

28th April 2010, 05:31

Bill Ryan

28th April 2010, 06:31

Laura Knight-Jadczyk wades into the fray with a real broadside against Jim Humble, triggered by his usurping her star status at a conferebce:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207531-Snake-Oil-Humbles-Nexus-Conference

And a very unpleasant article it was, too (although apparently written by Joe Quinn, not Laura).

Laura, as best I'm aware, is still promoting that I am COINTELPRO, which is an indicator of her ability and responsibility as a researcher.

Many of the people on her forum follow her opinions fairly blindly and if Laura says something (or someone) is so, then it must be fact. Meanwhile, the truth may be different.

Regarding Jim, he states openly that MMS doesn't cure everything or everyone. But it often works miracles, and I've personally seen one such 'miracle' which is hard to explain from any normal medical perspective.

A friend, a 40 year-old woman who had mild brain damage when a child, had for over 30 years been unable to focus and control both of her eyes perfectly: they pointed in slightly different directions and it affected her general appearance - as well as her eyesight. You may have seen this phenomenon from time to time in people.

After something like 4 or 5 drops of MMS for three or four days (I can dig up the details), her eyes suddenly straightened out and eighteen months later she can still see perfectly and focus her eyes normally.

She was amazed and delighted, as was everyone who knew her. Medically, what happened is challenging to explain.

No snake oil did that. Besides my witnessing that personally, I've received hundreds of other success stories, some of them equally dramatic. I believe (but do not know for sure) that Laura's daughter, whose health Laura claims was endangered by MMS, did not follow the proper MMS protocols. I can dig into this a little more later if I have time, because the question is important.

It's an inconvenient fact that MMS often works apparent miracles. The people who have benefited greatly are not inventing their stories. Critics on this thread and elsewhere should tread very carefully with what they state (which, interestingly, is often full of invective, as many critics often are: unpleasantness appears to be a personality trait in many skeptics).

It's possible that MMS does not work exactly as Jim Humble believes, but it DOES work, and frequently and dramatically too. That statement I believe can be regarded as an established fact.

What remains is to find out more about how it works in the body, and exactly how best to utilize it. Based on what I know, I do not believe MMS is in any way dangerous if the proper protocols are observed.... including, as in any remedy of any kind, not to overdose or use for long periods of time, and to discontinue use if abnormal side-effects occur.

Forgive me for saying that that this does seems obvious, and I suspect that all allopathic doctors and complementary practitioners of any kind would agree fully.

All best wishes, Bill

perfectresonance

28th April 2010, 08:01

It may be just my mind, but I noted that there seems to be a rallying of certain interviewees to either Bill or Kerry.
We pick Ben's story to pieces here, and he ends up being given an additional 2 hour radio slot there.
And we interview Jim Humble here, and a recent 'there' interviewee rips into him 'here'.
I may be biased, but I do feel that 'there' is having problems with forgiveness and moving on.
It is one of the reasons why I am only here. And that will remain so, until 'there' let's go and gets back to business.

(Sorry to be so cute with the language, but it's about as gentle as I can put it without appearing to be negative)

samvado

30th April 2010, 14:59

PLEASE everybody believing in MMS (1 or 2) read this site (http://www.placebo.com.au/taxonomy/term/6)(care)fully.

Swanny

30th April 2010, 15:09

Why post that here???? MMS is not a Placebo :rolleyes:

blue777

30th April 2010, 15:20

PLEASE everybody believing in MMS (1 or 2) read this site (http://www.placebo.com.au/taxonomy/term/6)(care)fully.

I really must get some new glasses , I thought Sam said: PLEASE everybody believing in MMS......

PEOPLE ARE SAYING MMS is working and you are saying it is a placibo........what authority have you for saying that, anybody could have written that article...have you tested MMS YOURSELF?.. you are getting tedious....and very negative......AND CALLING JIM HUMBLE A FRAUD...FIRST DR DEAGLE , NOW JIM.....inotherwords you are making a mockery of this forum

blue777

30th April 2010, 15:54

Originally Posted by samvado View Post
PLEASE everybody believing in MMS (1 or 2) read this site (care)fully.
I really must get some new glasses , I thought Sam said: PLEASE everybody believing in MMS......

PEOPLE ARE SAYING MMS is working and you are saying it is a placibo........what authority have you for saying that, anybody could have written that article...have you tested MMS YOURSELF?.. you are getting tedious....and very negative......AND CALLING JIM HUMBLE A FRAUD...FIRST DR DEAGLE , NOW JIM.....inotherwords you are making a mockery of this forum

samvado

30th April 2010, 16:01

Why post that here???? MMS is not a Placebo :rolleyes:

how do you know? placebo works very well, if you have actually read the site ....

blue777

30th April 2010, 16:09

how do you know? placebo works very well, if you have actually read the site ....

the thing is, you are making a mockery of Jim Humble by your implications, same as you did with dr deagle.......therefore by denigrating these people , you are undermining the work that is being done on this forum...........

Swanny

30th April 2010, 17:05

how do you know? placebo works very well, if you have actually read the site ....

Curing people that don't know what is going on is not the placebo effect.
If you don't believe in MMS that's fine but don't put doubt into peoples minds that may want to use this, if you are right and it's a placebo then you will stop it from working for them. Nice one mate :mmph:
Personally there is no doubt in my mind that MMS works.

blue777

30th April 2010, 17:33

Curing people that don't know what is going on is not the placebo effect.
If you don't believe in MMS that's fine but don't put doubt into peoples minds that may want to use this, if you are right and it's a placebo then you will stop it from working for them. Nice one mate :mmph:
Personally there is no doubt in my mind that MMS works.

I totally agree with you.....lol

yiolas

30th April 2010, 17:35

the thing is, you are making a mockery of Jim Humble by your implications, same as you did with dr deagle.......therefore by denigrating these people , you are undermining the work that is being done on this forum...........

My sentiments exactly ! There has got to be more here than meets the eye.

I Did read the linked web site btw There is nothing new about placebos here. Researchers established a long time ago the statistical validations of the placebo effect in virtually every drug research trial.

The point of this thread is to communicate the effectiveness of MMS in treating a variety of pathogenic related afflictions.
I too am a personal witness to the benefits of MMS. For the last 5 years I had been suffering with chronic 24 hour a day pain in my hands due to arthritis. I refused to be treated by 'Big Pharma' except for the occasional advil. Then I discovered MMS through Bill & Kerry's first interview with Jim Humble. God Bless them all for bringing this wonderful product to world attention. I followed a 5 drop 3 times a day regiment and within 2 weeks I was pain free for the first time in 5 years ! I stopped after those two weeks and take an occasional dose a couple of days a month now.

samvado

30th April 2010, 17:37

Curing people that don't know what is going on is not the placebo effect.

that is EXACTLY the placebo effect. read the pages, particularily the part about the fake knee operations are enlightening.

with all that money flowing towards humble he could easily afford a double blind PLACEBO controlled experiment that would put ALL his critics to a rest.
there are so many candidates in africa, he could do a really good one with a high number of people.
the more the better.

blue777

30th April 2010, 18:03

My sentiments exactly ! There has got to be more here than meets the eye.

I Did read the linked web site btw There is nothing new about placebos here. Researchers established a long time ago the statistical validations of the placebo effect in virtually every drug research trial.

The point of this thread is to communicate the effectiveness of MMS in treating a variety of pathogenic related afflictions.
I too am a personal witness to the benefits of MMS. For the last 5 years I had been suffering with chronic 24 hour a day pain in my hands due to arthritis. I refused to be treated by 'Big Pharma' except for the occasional advil. Then I discovered MMS through Bill & Kerry's first interview with Jim Humble. God Bless them all for bringing this wonderful product to world attention. I followed a 5 drop 3 times a day regiment and within 2 weeks I was pain free for the first time in 5 years ! I stopped after those two weeks and take an occasional dose a couple of days a month now.

[To Sam:] What annoys me about you is that you are calling this lady a liar, you are denigrating Jim Humble and making a fool of yourself...as SWANNY SAID , you a re spoiling it for a lot of people..

Swanny

30th April 2010, 18:54

Sam please do us all a favour take your comments elsewhere and leave this thread alone

samvado

30th April 2010, 18:59

Sam please do us all a favour take your comments elsewhere and leave this thread alone

why? because you lack the understanding what you are talking about? I dont think so . but for that blunder you earned you position on my ignore list, guess you just found a few new "friends".

blue777

30th April 2010, 19:07

why? because you lack the understanding what you are talking about? I dont think so . but for that blunder you earned you position on my ignore list, guess you just found a few new "friends".

Sam , you seem to lack any humility whatsoever, the lady told you MMS healed her and you keep on calling it a placibo...therefore you are calling Jim Humble a con artist .....same as dr deagle.......this means you are making yourself an authority of intellect ..when infact you have THE BRAINS OF A ROCKING HORSE....................................nothing personal of course

Swanny

30th April 2010, 19:35

blue777

30th April 2010, 19:46

No because you're so negative and lack understanding of peoples feelings.
Stick me on your ignore list I couldn't give a monkeys

THERE IS SOME HYPOCRISY GOING ON HERE SAM PUT UP A VIDEO ABOUT A RIDE...LOVE OR FEAR......all sam has done is to promote negtivism AND DOUBT, ..he needs a bigger forum for his "ignore list"......he has denigrated Dr deagle, and JIM HUMBLE ..WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY UNDERMINE BILL RYAN AND NO-ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.............where is this forum going?why let all this skepticism take hold..it is negative.........LOVE OR FEAR.......i WONDER HOW BIG THAT IGNORE LIST IS!!!!

Swanny

30th April 2010, 19:50

I bet you're on it hehe

stardustaquarion

30th April 2010, 19:53

I bet you're on it hehe

:secret:and you and me and gita and viking and many more!:eyebrows::dirol:

blue777

30th April 2010, 19:58

:secret:and you and me and gita and viking and many more!:eyebrows::dirol:

we got him on the list , i know he won't be missed...but seriously though no-one is donig anything about him , he is denigrated alot of good people...he has the brains of a rocking horse....

Swanny

30th April 2010, 20:01

I know you shouldn't stereo type people but look where he is from. Stereo typing happens for a reason ;)

Gita

30th April 2010, 20:04

I was the first on the list!:first: I feel so honoured. :becky:

Gestalt

30th April 2010, 20:08

with all that money flowing towards humble he could easily afford a double blind PLACEBO controlled experiment that would put ALL his critics to a rest.
there are so many candidates in africa, he could do a really good one with a high number of people.
the more the better.

I completely agree. Every miracle drug or supplement has armadas of people that swear it cured their cancer/diseases/ailments etc.
If Jim has the resources, why not do a double blind study?

There is a fantastic article here as well about the placebo effect, and how it CHANGES things within the body at a biochemical level.

"In recent decades reports have confirmed the efficacy of various sham treatments in nearly all areas of medicine. Placebos have helped alleviate pain, depression, anxiety, Parkinson’s disease, inflammatory disorders and even cancer.

Placebo effects can arise not only from a conscious belief in a drug but also from subconscious associations between recovery and the experience of being treated—from the pinch of a shot to a doctor’s white coat. Such subliminal conditioning can control bodily processes of which we are unaware, such as immune responses and the release of hormones."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind

People underestimate how POWERFUL the mind truly is.(Mind over matter.) Seems they are stuck in a mechanistic world where they think consciousness can have no effect on the biochemistry of your body.....read the above article for testable, repeatable proof that states otherwise.

-Edit-
Sorry didn't realize most of the article is behind pay subscription. Read more of it posted here:
http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/placebo_effect.htm

lightblue

30th April 2010, 20:08

THERE IS SOME HYPOCRACY GOING ON HERE SAM PUT UP A VIDEO ABOUT A RIDE...LOVE OR FEAR......all sam has done is to promote negtivism AND DOUBT, ..he needs a bigger forum for his "ignore list"......he has denigrated Dr deagle, and JIM HUMBLE ..WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY UNDERMINE BILL RYAN AND NO-ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.............where is this forum going?why let all this skepticism take hold..it is negative.........LOVE OR FEAR.......i WONDER HOW BIG THAT IGNORE LIST IS!!!!

talking about hypocrisy and mockery:

dear blue777

was it not yourself who started that "samgate..." thread (in a very, very bad taste) which got closed for that reason alone - bad taste: throwing scorn at others and mockery...so much for hypocrisy, but let's not talk about it any more :blink:.. really, it is not worth a mention as morguana made a very good decision.

samvado

i would like to know: how come you got conned/ripped off as many times as you did in your distant and recent past? how come? given that you know and can see through as much?

i am most sincere about this question - would really like to know, so it does not happen to me...what devil makes you fall for things faux?:unsure:

thanks l

Gita

30th April 2010, 20:10

I know you shouldn't stereo type people but look where he is from. Stereo typing happens for a reason ;)

In psychology, stereotyping is used for speedy judgements which especially comes in handy in certain situations and also used to trigger fight or flight response.:boxing::bolt:

blue777

30th April 2010, 21:09

talking about hypocrisy and mockery:

dear blue777

was it not yourself who started that "samgate..." thread (in a very, very bad taste) which got closed for that reason alone - bad taste: throwing scorn at others and mockery...so much for hypocrisy, but let's not talk about it any more :blink:.. really, it is not worth a mention as morguana made a very good decision.

samvado

i would like to know: how come you got conned/ripped off as many times as you did in your distant and recent past? how come? given that you know and can see through as much?

i am most sincere about this question - would really like to know, so it does not happen to me...what devil makes you fall for things faux?:unsure:

thanks l

FIRST OF ALL IT WAS NOT HYPOCRISY, SAM DENIGRATED A LOT OF PEOPLE THEREFORE HE DID NOT ANSWER ANY OF HIS ALTRUSTIC SO CALLED TRUTH.. secondly .....he has denigtrated dr deagle jim humble and others which reflects on this forum.......thirdly if you think he is right what are you doing on this forum,,,,,,,if you are such an angel and never scorned anyone.............................THAT IS REAL HYPOCRISY

blue777

30th April 2010, 21:14

i was the first on the list!:first: I feel so honoured. :becky:
h e has lightblue on the list the sycophant.......................................WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO GET RID OF SAM.......he is creating a lot of trouble on many threads

Wood

30th April 2010, 21:16

I think we should avoid polarity and ego issues. We can only choose what we do, not what others do. Hopefully, by not falling into these games others won't as well, because of either boredom or genuine change.

blue777

30th April 2010, 21:24

I was the first on the list!:first: I feel so honoured. :becky:

PEOPLE ARE SAYING MMS is working and samvado is saying it is a placibo........what authority has he for saying that, anybody could have written that article...have you tested MMS YOURSELF?.. you are getting tedious....and very negative......AND CALLING JIM HUMBLE A FRAUD...FIRST DR DEAGLE , NOW JIM.....inotherwords you are making a mockery of this forum .Therefore infact he is undermining Bill Ryan as he believes in dr deagle and Jim humble and he is undermining people who have used MMS......................therefore where is this froum going if one of the leaders is getting undermined?

Bill Ryan

30th April 2010, 21:59

with all that money flowing towards humble he could easily afford a double blind PLACEBO controlled experiment that would put ALL his critics to a rest.
there are so many candidates in africa, he could do a really good one with a high number of people.
the more the better.

I completely agree.

[snip]

1) Guys, listen: Jim receives no money from any sales of MMS anywhere.

Please be aware of your data before making posts to denigrate another.

2) Anyone who claims that MMS works using the placebo effect is also betraying their own unawareness of the facts.

Please read my earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=14390&viewfull=1#post14390) referencing the woman, whom I know personally, whose eyes straightened out and who was able to focus and control them for the first time in nearly 40 years.

She was only trying to treat a mild cold or flu, and took a few drops of MMS for a few days. The miracle that occurred was something else entirely, and was completely unexpected by herself and everyone else.

No snake oil... and no placebo effect either.

Something entirely different was happening. No-one I know understands what it was, but any observer of this should be a good scientist, gather data, and then generate models that might explain the biochemistry involved.

Nothing less than that will increase our understanding. Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not.

When I use the word 'cheap' here I'm pointing out that knocking something you (and I) don't understand is easy to do using a dismissive generality. It's actually a form of intellectual laziness.

Being truly honest about the entire problem is much harder and more demanding. The significant benefits - and apparent miracles - that have been attributed to MMS in hundreds of thousands of cases are not imagined or illusory. They are real.

blue777

30th April 2010, 22:17

1) Guys, listen: Jim receives no money from any sales of MMS anywhere.

Please be aware of your data before making posts to denigrate another.

2) Anyone who claims that MMS works using the placebo effect is also betraying their own unawareness of the facts.

Please read my earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=14390&viewfull=1#post14390) referencing the woman, whom I know personally, whose eyes straightened out and who was able to focus and control them for the first time in nearly 40 years.

She was only trying to treat a mild cold or flu, and took a few drops of MMS for a few days. The miracle that occurred was something else entirely, and was completely unexpected by herself and everyone else.

No snake oil... and no placebo effect either.

Something entirely different was happening. No-one I know understands what it was, but any observer of this should be a good scientist, gather data, and then generate models that might explain the biochemistry involved.

Nothing less than that will increase our understanding. Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not.

When I use the word 'cheap' here I'm pointing out that knocking something you (and I) don't understand is easy to do using a dismissive generality. It's actually a form of intellectual laziness.

Being truly honest about the entire problem is much harder and more demanding. The significant benefits - and apparent miracles - that have been attributed to MMS in hundreds of thousands of cases are not imagined or illusory. They are real.

Therefore Sam is doing the archetypal "Divide and Conquer" scenario, he has denigrated dr deagle and called him a fraud...therefore sam is saying he knows more than de deagle...he denigrated Jim Humble and Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not., therefore he knows more than Jim Humble,...he has put a dozen people on the ignore list...and this forum has not been going long.....
therefore HIS DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING WITH ME , AND HE HAS MESSED UP QUITE A FEW threads with his so called skeptic view.......the battle ahead is between light and darkness......the more confusion sam can create in people THE MORE FEAR HE CREATES AND I WILL NOT STAND BY AND SEE HIM DO THAT TO DECENT PEOPLE...this confusion and fear tactic is an old one...Bill Ryan has spent a long time on the 2 videos by dr deagle and jim humble.......why would he do that?
lol

Wood

30th April 2010, 22:22

From my direct experience with people around me and with myself, including repeated blood tests taking and not taking MMS2, I conclude it works. I have no direct experience with MMS1 yet (I have already ordered some), but I see there is plenty of positive testimonies all around the internet and I trust that until I get better proof. Truth can't be suppressed, just delayed.

Gestalt

30th April 2010, 22:23

1) Guys, listen: Jim receives no money from any sales of MMS anywhere.

That's good to know. Thanks for informing us Bill.

No snake oil... and no placebo effect either.

You obviously didn't read the above link I posted. The placebo effect actually works, and actually cures people of REAL identifiable illnesses that are NOT symptoms concocted in someone's head. People assume when they hear 'placebo effect' it automatically means that the diseases was in someone's head in the first place, hence why the placebo effect worked, and this is clearly not the case. Placebo effects have worked hundreds of thousands of times documented by skilled practitioners on REAL identifiable diseases.

At least read the following snippet from the article (http://www.dimaggio.org/Heretic/placebo_effect.htm) I posted above. This is truly miraculous:

"A man whom his doctors referred to as “Mr. Wright” was dying from cancer of the lymph nodes. Orange-size tumors had invaded his neck, groin, chest and abdomen, and his doctors had exhausted all available treatments. Nevertheless, Mr. Wright was confident that a new anticancer drug called Krebiozen would cure him, according to a 1957 report by psychologist Bruno Klopfer of the University of California, Los Angeles, entitled “Psychological Variables in Human Cancer.”

Mr. Wright was bedridden and fighting for each breath when he received his first injection. But three days later he was cheerfully ambling around the unit, joking with the nurses. Mr. Wright’s tumors had shrunk by half, and after 10 more days of treatment he was discharged from the hospital. And yet the other patients in the hospital who had received Krebiozen showed no improvement.

Over the next two months, however, Mr. Wright became troubled by press reports questioning the efficacy of Krebiozen and suffered a relapse. His doctors decided to lie to him: an improved, doubly effective version of the drug was due to arrive the next day, they told him. Mr. Wright was ecstatic. The doctors then gave him an injection that contained not one molecule of the drug—and he improved even more than he had the last time. Soon he walked out of the hospital symptom-free. He remained healthy until two months later, when, after reading reports that exposed Krebiozen as worthless, he died within days.

As Mr. Wright’s experience illustrates, a patient’s expectations and beliefs can greatly affect the course of an illness. When psychological factors tied to an inactive substance such as Krebiozen lead to recovery, doctors call the improvement a placebo effect."

MMS may not be a placebo effect, but until you can PROVE and show another mechanism at work (which Bill Ryan you stated you could not) you CANNOT rule the placebo effect out either. If you do that is bad science.

I am not trying to do a smear campaign here, I have tried many questionable alternative remedies in my lifetime, simply because money wasn't available for large scale double blind tests. I see no problem people doing tests of their own, and verifying its results, however that does not qualify as a double blind study and prove its inherent healing power.

blue777

30th April 2010, 22:32

1) Guys, listen: Jim receives no money from any sales of MMS anywhere.

Please be aware of your data before making posts to denigrate another.

2) Anyone who claims that MMS works using the placebo effect is also betraying their own unawareness of the facts.

Please read my earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=14390&viewfull=1#post14390) referencing the woman, whom I know personally, whose eyes straightened out and who was able to focus and control them for the first time in nearly 40 years.

She was only trying to treat a mild cold or flu, and took a few drops of MMS for a few days. The miracle that occurred was something else entirely, and was completely unexpected by herself and everyone else.

No snake oil... and no placebo effect either.

Something entirely different was happening. No-one I know understands what it was, but any observer of this should be a good scientist, gather data, and then generate models that might explain the biochemistry involved.

Nothing less than that will increase our understanding. Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not.

When I use the word 'cheap' here I'm pointing out that knocking something you (and I) don't understand is easy to do using a dismissive generality. It's actually a form of intellectual laziness.

Being truly honest about the entire problem is much harder and more demanding. The significant benefits - and apparent miracles - that have been attributed to MMS in hundreds of thousands of cases are not imagined or illusory. They are real.

Therefore Sam is doing the archetypal "Divide and Conquer" scenario, he has denigrated dr deagle and called him a fraud...therefore sam is saying he knows more than de deagle...he denigrated Jim Humble and Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not., therefore he knows more than Jim Humble,...he has put a dozen people on the ignore list...and this forum has no been going long.....
therefore HIS DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING WITH ME , AND HE HAS MESSED UP QUITE A FEW threads with his so called skeptic view.......the battle ahead is between light and darkness......the more confusion sam can create in people THE MORE FEAR HE CREATES AND I WILL NOT STAND BY AND SEE HIM DO THAT TO DECENT PEOPLE...this confusion and fear tactic is an old one...Bill Ryan has spent a long time on the 2 videos by dr deagle and jim humble.......why would he do that?

Vidya Moksha

30th April 2010, 22:33

Dougall

30th April 2010, 22:34

My understanding is that MMS contains chlorine, and kills unfamiliar bacteria as well as parasites in the body. I think taking a small amount of chlorine is an acceptable risk to get rid of parasites. I think also you may not want to take MMS every day for months on end. If chlorine builds up in the system it will be toxic for sure. Personally I eat a lot of onions and garlic. Sometimes I chew a raw clove of garlic. I also leave half of an onion face up on the counter for a few days and then throw it away. (I hope that's OK with everybody) ha ha ha.

I did not listen to the entire Humble interview because I am not interested in that sort of thing. I would consider taking MMS but not at the levels he recommends. I am not crazy about infomercials and dont need to hear about face cream or any other products. If Bill thinks it's important enough to post on his site, I can respect that. I will keep an open mind towards the material proffered on this site. If I don't care for something, I don't have to listen, read, or send money in to buy it.

I think that Avalon is holding my interest pretty well. It is founded (IMO) on a pretty specific point of view. Sort of easy pickings for debunkers, in that once you have winnowed down to Avalon2 you know what to expect. Why come here and try and throw out half of the Speakers?
It's all food for thought, and I enjoy it quite a bit.

blue777

30th April 2010, 22:36

I had avoided making comments about people, i try to keep it to threads. BUt now I am irritated enough. Blue777 I am calling you out. look at your last 12 posts on this thread, they say nothing, contribute nothing and just attack another member, most are just repeat posts. I have an image of you as a 15 year old kid behind his computer. Sam is providing a valuable service to this forum. People who blindly believe all they read in here and on a seriously wrong path. If someon's post can shake you from your path, and make you fearful then thank them for showing you what shaky ground you were on in the first place.
I posted that MMS healed my skin problem, sam told me theoretically it should make it worse. Well? what can i say, who do i believe? no brainer eh? and i still use mms. If it was a placebo i dont care, its a cheap placebo, the fact remains it worked.
Sam is sam, he has few interpersonal skills and isnt kind, but he is logical (and some of us know that only applying logic isnt always the answer) and he is scientifically as accurate as he can be in modern science and its limitations. We need that input to this forum, though agreed it could be delivered in a much nicer way.. but many of us see past the sharp posts and take out the facts. and then decide for ourselves from our our world view point.
While i am ranting, he doesnt post stupid and inanane polls and his posts are succinct and usually contribute something. I am stuggling to find a single post of yours, in nealy 400, which contribute anything, so stop with personal attacks on sam, they are tedious. rant over.

i am also ready for you,,,you sound even younger.....and thicker...quote Sam is providing a valuable service to this forum. ,,sam is creating confusion and fear .quote:the fact remains it worked. MMS WORKED THICKO IN REALITY
Therefore Sam is doing the archetypal "Divide and Conquer" scenario, he has denigrated dr deagle and called him a fraud...therefore sam is saying he knows more than de deagle...he denigrated Jim Humble and Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not., therefore he knows more than Jim Humble,...he has put a dozen people on the ignore list...and this forum has no been going long.....
therefore HIS DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING WITH ME , AND HE HAS MESSED UP QUITE A FEW threads with his so called skeptic view.......the battle ahead is between light and darkness......the more confusion sam can create in people THE MORE FEAR HE CREATES AND I WILL NOT STAND BY AND SEE HIM DO THAT TO DECENT PEOPLE...this confusion and fear tactic is an old one...Bill Ryan has spent a long time on the 2 videos by dr deagle and jim humble.......why would he do that?

shybastid

30th April 2010, 23:18

A clinical study with a doubl blind test would show 2 things.
1) People that took the Placebo have one result.
2) People that took MMS have another result.
That's a double blind test. No biggie......
My point?
There's no question for me personly that I would NOT get the same physical changes in body with a placebo.
MMS works for me. I HATE taking it...but I understand the science.I increase my dose to 3 to 5 drops 3 times a day. I like that protocol better.
I'll never get up to 10 drops much less 15.
OK Maybe if I had cancer I'd give it a shot.
I ALWAYS look and feel better after two days.
My wife can tell EVERYTIME. I don't tell her when I start on it again.

And? the best part? I get NO hangovers if I drink too much beer while taking MMS. How strong is THAT?
For ME it is NOT a placebo effect.
Placebo effect is real..So is MMS
:cool:

Bill Ryan

1st May 2010, 22:12

Placebo effect...

Note that MMS has also been well documented to work on animals.

No placebo effect there... :)

samvado

1st May 2010, 23:24

Note that MMS has also been well documented to work on animals.

No placebo effect there... :)

source please ? it would indeed be a strong indicator of effdectiveness.

although Humble provides a long list of factoids (http://jimhumble.biz/biz-generalinfo.htm)about MMS I cant see animal tests there.

I have to agree with Gestalt that placebo is facilitating REAL cures, not imaginary ones. and often too.

IMO only the placebo controlled double blind study I suggested will give any kind of certainty, do not forget that my OWN experience with MMS in MY world weights much heavier than anything anybody who has NO own experience could ever tell me.

In Three out of Three cases it did not work. and nothing else got fixed by the side either. quite the opposite, symptoms that had be alleviated by other means re-appeared.

Its a pitty that this Baron guy came on so strong but didnt deliver (up to now).

1) Guys, listen: Jim receives no money from any sales of MMS anywhere. Please be aware of your data before making posts to denigrate another.

I have not mentioned the source of that money. you ASUMED it to mean from the MMS sales. I was rather thinking in terms of donations, book-rights, speaking engangements etc.
(The original programmer of linux is very well off today although he never sold his OS)

in any case, SOMEONE is making money - remember, I know the revenue figures of the german book, they alone would pay for such a test in afrika.
if I had delveloped anything like what MMS reports to be the first thing I would do is just that (asuming I could afford it).

samvado

1st May 2010, 23:40

When I use the word 'cheap' here I'm pointing out that knocking something you (and I) don't understand is easy to do using a dismissive generality. It's actually a form of intellectual laziness.

Being truly honest about the entire problem is much harder and more demanding. The significant benefits - and apparent miracles - that have been attributed to MMS in hundreds of thousands of cases are not imagined or illusory. They are real.

this is really a borderline statement. bordering on insult.

like it or not, there is still a list of 30 points you have **not answered** to - that I in my intellectual laziness have assembled for you - the deagle case.

then there are 35 years of study in the field of healing and more study in associated fields plus actual hands-on research (not armchair-research!) that actually allow me to say something with SOME authority in this area - whereas you can say something with what exactly? ah yes, BELIEF.

plus my OWN experience, and excuse me that I draw the line at THREE diseases that where not or negatively influenced by the miracle cure.

and you are mistaken in your assumption that understanding the REASON why mms does what it does (if it does it) is the only way to go, or even a desirable way.

I beg to differ. in medicine (and other fields) statistical proof is acceptable - if obtained by placebo controlled double blind tests - thats why I am insistent.
we dont know 100% exactly why aspirin works - but we know it does - because of *hardened* statistical evidence.

sunnyrap

2nd May 2010, 03:41

I actually think that ALL medicines are voo-doo. It's all just energy really. Putting massive amounts of time, money, experience into a cure gives it more 'mo-jo'. Indian shamans use feathers, smoke, incantations and cast 'evil spirits' into raw meat to cure wounds and diseases...and have a better than 90% cure rate. Sheer desire, emotional energy and strong intention will move health mountains. But, I've used MMS for a couple of years now. To head off virus and to cure abscessed teeth in everyone in my family with a 100% success rate. Also works on bladder infections and just nudging the body from acid state to more alkaline one. You do have to use it in a 'course' of action like an anti-biotic. Those pesky bacteria have gotten quite strong overcoming a regularly escalating in strength array of antibiotics over the years, so why should it be surprising that they would 'come back' after only an application or two of what the body itself uses to combat pathogens? I for one will vote for inexpensive natural cures wherever possible. But not all of mainstream medical's medicines are bad ones and many do people good service, because frankly, many of them are based on natural cures to begin with. But you have to be vewy, vewy careful as Elmer would say, because not all of them have been tested near as much as they are credited with... We are currently plaintiff's in a wrongful death lawsuit against diabetes drug Avandia, which the makers KNEW put their patients at greatly increased risk for fatal heart attacks, and sold it anyway. It apparently killed our dad after being on it for only 6 months. MMS has been successfully treating many with diabetes. Hasn't caused a single heart attack.

Ixopoborn

2nd May 2010, 07:47

i am also ready for you,,,you sound even younger.....and thicker...quote Sam is providing a valuable service to this forum. ,,sam is creating confusion and fear .quote:the fact remains it worked. MMS WORKED THICKO IN REALITY
Therefore Sam is doing the archetypal "Divide and Conquer" scenario, he has denigrated dr deagle and called him a fraud...therefore sam is saying he knows more than de deagle...he denigrated Jim Humble and Calling it a placebo effect is effectively a cheap smear, whether this was intended or not., therefore he knows more than Jim Humble,...he has put a dozen people on the ignore list...and this forum has no been going long.....
therefore HIS DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING WITH ME , AND HE HAS MESSED UP QUITE A FEW threads with his so called skeptic view.......the battle ahead is between light and darkness......the more confusion sam can create in people THE MORE FEAR HE CREATES AND I WILL NOT STAND BY AND SEE HIM DO THAT TO DECENT PEOPLE...this confusion and fear tactic is an old one...Bill Ryan has spent a long time on the 2 videos by dr deagle and jim humble.......why would he do that?

I should first declare that I have not read every post on this thread, something I usually do before posting. However, from the significant chunk I have read, I find myself in full agreement with blue777 as stated above. Also, like Bill Ryan, it strikes me Samvado's aproach is interlectually lazy to say the least of it.

The claims made by Jim Humble are not small and therefore, if I were Samvado, after failing to get a positive effect from use of MMS after 3 trials, I would have got into direct contact with Jim Humble to exhaustively check treatment protocols etc. before jumping to conclusions, as Samvado seems to have done. This, I think, is the interlectual laziness to which Bill has referred.

Where I agree with Samvado is that an independent field study should be performed. However, we cant rely on pharmaceutical companies for help in this regard: in fact, we can count of pharmaceuticals do everything in their power to do the opposite of helping.

Samvado has, to my knowledge, resoundingly trashed one thread which, before his intrusion, had good promise of producing some very enlightening commentary from an exceptionally senior forum contributor. From my knowledge of blue777, I have no doubt he is correct in stating there have been many similar instances. These actions call into question the true motives of Samvado. What exactly is he trying to achieve here?

I am prepared to reserve judgement on Samvado for a while longer. If I were forced to make a judgement now, I would say Samvado's motive is thruth concealment, not truth discovery. Because of this, I will be watching Samvado's future moves on this forum with intensified interest.

samvado

2nd May 2010, 20:02

I am prepared to reserve judgement on Samvado for a while longer..

however, I am not.
(Moderated)

yiolas

2nd May 2010, 20:39

Well, I guess that's that !
Pretty soon there won't be any one left to add to the ignore list and Sam will be talking to himself on the forum. LOL:rolleyes::bump2:

samvado

2nd May 2010, 20:52

Well, I guess that's that !
Pretty soon there won't be any one left to add to the ignore list and Sam will be talking to himself on the forum. LOL:rolleyes::bump2:

dont get your hopes up yet. its just 5 so far. 625 to go. I wont be monologing for a while.

its all about quality, not quantity - you could have noticed by now.

Bill Ryan

2nd May 2010, 21:57

The following has just been written by Andreas Kalcker, who manufactures MMS in Europe (http://mmsmineral.com).

Andreas, who is very scientific and data-rational, was very skeptical about MMS until he was convinced to test it by Robert Fleischer (Exopolitics Germany), who was present when I first interviewed Jim Humble in November 2008.

Andreas gave it an honest try: although doubtful, he felt he had nothing to lose. He had arthritis so badly that he could not lift his new-born baby.

MMS rapidly and totally cured his condition - and Andreas is now totally healthy. He was so impressed he now manufactures MMS to the highest standards currently available.

Andreas's excellent Brussels Conference presentation (11 October, 2009) is here:

http://ustream.tv/recorded/2333128

Again, the protocols below are his recommendations after studying many case histories and reading many reports from people stating that they had experienced extraordinary results.

MMS User’s Guide

--------- General protocols : SUMMARY ---------

1. Remember that the MMS is always mixed with the activator - which is in the separate bottle.

2. Repeated small doses are more effective than large morning and evening doses.

3. Put as much MMS into the body as you can without causing an increase in sickness, nausea, or diarrhea.

4. Decrease the number of drops as needed if diarrhea or nausea occur. But don’t stop taking the MMS.

5. Avoid all forms of Vitamin C for two hours before and after taking MMS.

6. Thoughtfully maintain a nutrition program adequate to maintain your immune system.

----------- General protocols : DETAIL -----------

1. Remember that the MMS is always mixed with the activator - which is in the separate bottle.

The ratio of MMS to Activator is 1:1 - or (important!) 1:5 if the MMS is sourced from another supplier. It’s ready for use when the color turns to yellow/amber. With the 1:1 mixture this is after about a minute (a little longer is fine). With the 1:5 mixture, you need to wait about 3-4 minutes (again, a little longer is fine).

Always use the MMS quite soon after activating. It’ll stay activated for a little while, but do remember that you can't store it for hours or days in its activated state.

2. Repeated small doses are more effective than large morning and evening doses.

It has been demonstrated that small doses administered often, up to once each hour, are more effective than large doses administered once or twice a day. This is basically because it doesn't matter if it’s a large amount or small amount: it still deteriorates into mostly just table salt in an hour or two.

If you’re taking larger MMS doses only in the morning and evening, MMS will still cleanse the body of microbes and most pathogens. However smaller-but-continuous circulation of ClO2 [chlorine dioxide] prevents regrouping and reproduction of pathogens, especially viruses.

3. Put as much MMS into the body as you can without causing an increase in sickness, nausea, or diarrhea.

Always start out with a one drop dose at first, and then increase the drops every time you feel you can. Stop the treatment when you are well.

Alternatively, if you are just trying to “clean yourself out”, then try taking 15 drops three times a day. If you can take 15 drops three times a day for a week without nausea or diarrhea or other negative effects, then most likely the majority of the infections and pathogens and parasites are gone.

After you are “cleaned out”, an optional maintenance dose is 6 drops twice a week. Older people, or those with metabolisms requiring more support, might benefit from a maintenance dose of 6 drops daily.

4. Decrease the number of drops as needed if diarrhea or nausea occur. But don’t stop taking the MMS.

Nausea and diarrhea are both good signs that MMS is working. Diarrhea lasting for an hour or two is a very good sign, but if this continues for several days it can cause more harm than good. So always decrease the drops when these temporary barriers arise - they are temporary in most cases.

5. Avoid all forms of Vitamin C for two hours before and after taking MMS.

This is a temporary requirement, necessary during the significant weeks of your increasing the level of drops where you can be considered to be "cleaned out." If you’re taking Vitamin C capsules marked as the "12 hour" (continuous release) type, you will have to discontinue their use.

6. Thoughtfully maintain a nutrition program adequate to maintain your immune system.

MMS eliminates unwanted pathogens and parasites from your body with great efficiency, but it provides no nutritional minerals or vitamins. Maintain an intake of friendly micro-organisms (acidophilus, and other flora). MMS itself does not kill friendly intestinal micro-organisms, but forceful diarrhea can sometimes reduce their numbers. Similarly, maintain the intake of minerals - especially calcium and magnesium.

Nutritional intake is critical to the immune system. Daily sunshine on the skin will maintain your vitamin D3 - or, if you rarely see the sun, you must maintain "D" with supplements, essential for maintaining the immune system. While MMS is the most potent germicidal agent on the planet, only your own immune system produces healing and maintenance of health.

----------------- HOW TO TAKE MMS ----------------

1. Drink it.

Swallow activated MMS with any amount of water or juice flavoring added. This is the most common method.

Always mix both components with the same number of drops (1:1 mix) - unless you are using another, weaker activator, from another supplier (or a natural activator like lemon juice), which requires a 1:5 ratio.

Once mixed, wait till it is yellow/amber in color. Adding water and some juice (to improve taste) to the mix after the one-or-two minute wait enables you to drink the mixture. Once adding water, the reaction stops. The amount of water matters very little, as the MMS will still do the same cleansing within your body.

After drinking the mix with the water added, the ClO2 [chlorine dioxide] gas will circulate in the body for less than two hours, as described above. (Some amounts of ClO2 are generated as a secondary reaction after the water is added, due to the HCl [hydrochloric] acid in your stomach.)

You could repeat any MMS dose every two hours (or less) without harm, provided you observe the temporary barriers created by diarrhea or nausea.

-- Dose for adults:

Always start with 1 or 2 drops. To activate MMS, add the activator in a ratio of 1:1 (or 1:5 if you are using another supplier) into a dry glass and wait until the color is yellow/amber. Then add water (and some juice if you want to improve the taste), and swallow.

Repeat this procedure each time gradually increasing the number of drops. Listen to your body and use your personal intuition: increase the dose if you feel fine, and decrease it if you feel nausea.

Increase the dose slowly on a day-by-day basis to a maximum quantity of 45-50 drops per day. Do this SLOWLY - because raising the dose too quickly may cause nausea.

Note: If you notice diarrhea, or even vomiting, this is not necessarily a bad sign. You’re killing pathogens faster than your liver can process them for elimination. So just slow down the killing process: the body is simply getting rid of poisons and cleaning itself out. You’re likely to feel much better afterwards.

Do not take any medicine to stop the diarrhea. It should not last. But DO stop the treatment (or lower the dose) if diarrhea is prolonged over a period of many days.

After 14 days of treatment for infectious diseases you may rest for two days taking some Acetylcysteine to re-establish glutathione (1200-1500 mg). This can be purchased at pharmacies.

-- Dose for children:

For children, the protocol is essentially the same. One should usually start at half of one drop. Make a one-drop mixture, and then pour out half of the drink before giving it to the child. Then increase this from 1 to 2 to 3 drops as above, but do not go beyond 3 drops for each 25 lbs (11 kg) of body weight. With a baby, start with half a drop every 3 or 4 hours and stop when the baby is well.

If the baby or child becomes nauseous, wait an extra hour or two before giving another dose - and also give a smaller dose. Give these smaller doses until the baby or child can tolerate more, but do not stop giving doses until they are well. Children who are sick with the flu or other viral diseases should have half a drop every hour and a half during most of the day.

2. Spray activated MMS anywhere on your skin.

MMS has been reported to be effective against localized skin sores or diseases: psoriasis, acne, wounds, burns, herpes, insect bites, eczema, skin cancer, and more...

The mixture must have a small amount of water added to make the liquid ready for spraying. It does not bleach hair, and does not harm the skin. If you have open sores or cuts, it may cause a sensation of light burning but it promotes very rapid germ-free healing of wounds.

-- Dose:

Use 8-10 activated drops of MMS in a regular cup. Wait 1 minute until it changes to yellow/amber and then add some water. Apply to the affected areas, wait 1-2 minutes and then rinse with water.

3. Use MMS in a hot bath.

Our skin is a completely permeable organ which has the capacity to act as a membrane, allowing exchange by osmosis between the inside and outside of our body. A hot bath with activated MMS in the water exposes the entire skin surface to ClO2.

Add hot water continually while sitting in the bath for 20 to 30 minutes. The pores of the skin open, and the ClO2 is absorbed through the skin and into the muscle tissue. Since blood is always present in muscles, the ClO2 merges into the blood plasma providing greater concentration of detoxifying action against parasites, yeast, fungus and other pathogens.

-- Dose:

1. Rinse the bathtub. Do not put any soap or other chemicals in the water.
2. Activate 30 drops of MMS by mixing in a glass. Wait until the color is yellow/amber.
3. Fill the tub about 20-30 cm (8-12 inches) with hot water. Don’t put any soap or other chemicals in the water
4. Add activated MMS to the water. Note that the water does not reduce the amount of ClO2 gas being released.
5. Soak your entire body in the bath, including your head and scalp. If some water accidentally enters your eyes, they will not be harmed as this dose of highly diluted MMS will not cause any harm; nevertheless, it’s best not to do this deliberately. Open sores usually heal more quickly from the disinfectant action of MMS.
6. Add more hot water. The heat expands your skin pores and the MMS will penetrates into the body. From the third bath, you should notice a significant improvement. This method sometimes works very effectively indeed.

4. To knock out Viruses.

For viral infections such as flu.

-- Dose:

Take 2-6 drops every 1-3 hours, up to 6 times a day (depending on the severity of the case and the resistance of each person). Begin with 2 drops, and increase the dose carefully depending on body tolerance. The maximum dose is 45-50 drops per day.

5. For Oral Disease.

For oral disease (stomatitis, gingivitis, dental abscesses, ulcers, peritonitis, mouth infections).

-- Dose:

Use 5 drops of activated MMS in a small glass. Wait 1 minute until it changes to yellow/amber and then add some water. Then brush the teeth with the solution. After brushing, it’s important to rinse your mouth with water.

5. For Ear Infections.

-- Dose:

Use 2-3 drops of activated MMS in a very small glass (20 cl or 6-8 oz), wait until it changes to yellow/amber, and then add warm water. Fill a dropper and drop it gradually into the ear.

6. For Body Odor.

MMS is a magnificent deodorant, as it eliminates the cause of strong body odor by attacking and destroying its root cause: bacteria and fungi. MMS is very effective against underarm odor, foot odor, etc.

It’s important to use safe methods such as MMS in our personal care and remember the potentially carcinogenic effects of commercial deodorants and antiperspirants that have been reported to be a factor in many cases of breast cancer.

-- Dose:

Once a day or every two days depending on each individual. Use 3-5 drops of activated MMS in a small glass, wait until the color changes to yellow/amber, and then add some water. Apply to the affected areas, wait 1-2 minutes (this can be done with a cotton swab or an aerosol spray) and then rinse with water or take a shower.

7. Briefly breathe the ClO2 gas into the nose, head, and sinuses.

This method is effective in situations where there are germs or pathogens in your sinuses, vocal chords, or ears.

-- Dose:

Sitting with your mouth or nose over a cup of activated 2 drop mixture (definitely no more than 4 drops), and with no water added, inhale the distinctive-smelling ClO2 gas into your nostrils or mouth.

* NOTE: Do not breathe the ClO2 gas into the lungs too deeply or for too long because of the possibility of unexpected depletion of oxygen.

If it seems too strong, move the cup further away, or prepare a weaker mixture. This has proven effective in killing germs in the sinuses that are often the cause of post-nasal drip.

* NOTE: If you have any history of asthma, use low doses and stop immediately if you have any sensation of an asthma attack.

Remember, it is the ClO2 - the gas that you can smell - that is the germicidal agent. Germs live and thrive in mucus and phlegm. ClO2 gas can kill them, and prevent further production of mucus.

DO NOT EXCEED the 4 drop maximum mixture, and take frequent breaks by breathing normal air to assure replenishment of oxygen to the lungs. You can always mix a second dose later if you want more exposure. Heed these cautions. Remember that you are responsible for using this strategy correctly, so avoid prolonged deep breathing of the ClO2 and always alternate it with deep breathing of normal air.

8. Use MMS in an Enema.

MMS retention enemas are effective in cleansing the colon walls, and can help in cases of hemorrhoids, rectal fissures, vaginal candidiasis, and so on.

Enemas cause the ClO2 to be absorbed and mixed with the plasma of the blood - the blood liquid. MMS benefits are more available to more parts of the body more quickly when the ClO2 is carried in the plasma.

-- Dose:

Use 3-5 activated drops of MMS in a regular cup, wait 1 minute until it changes to yellow/amber, and then add warm water. Fill an irrigator with one or two liters and introduce into the rectum (or vagina), retain water for about two minutes, and then evacuate.

9. For Cancers and Tumors.

-- Dose:

Day 1: 2 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Day 2: 3 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Day 3: 4 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Day 4: 5 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Day 5: 6 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Day 6: 7 activated drops every hour, 6 or 7 times a day.
Then for the next five 5 weeks, 7 drops every 1 hour 6 or 7 times a day (maximum 50 drops per day).

10. For HIV / Hepatitis C.

Treating HIV / AIDS / Hepatitis C is a longer term project, and must take into account the drop in CD4 and viral load increases. In 5-6 months they usually revert to normal again. Test results have been 80% positive in the long term.

-- Dose:

From 2 to 5 activated drops every two hours, for one week (depending on severity).

For six months 30-45 drops (activated) per day - spread in the most appropriate and accessible way to each person.

11. In Emergency.

In cases of severe pain, fast rising infection, or sudden unknown illness, this protocol is for a quick urgently-needed result - especially if there are specific acute conditions.

-- Dose:

Use 6 drops of activated MMS, and after 2 hours, another 6 drops. Then take 3 drops every 2 hours. Soon there should be a clear improvement. The last dose before bed may be higher depending on the event and tolerance. Keep taking the dose to end the disease or infection.

12. DMSO can sometimes be added to MMS in special or life-threatening situations.

In special cases, DMSO [dimethyl sulfoxide] acts as a “carrier” which helps the ClO2 quickly and effectively get to where it is urgently needed.

Always test yourself first with a small DMSO spot on your arm. People who have a damaged or weakened liver should reduce the use of DMSO if any ache or pain is felt in the liver area. Put 5 drops of DMSO on your arm and rub it in. Wait for several hours. If there is no liver pain, you are probably safe in using DMSO.

-- Dose:

One tablespoon of DMSO with two or more tablespoons of water can be taken internally by drinking it once or twice a day while fighting a severe disease. Normally use juice and dilute the DMSO much more.

* NOTE: a 50-50 dilution will burn most people's throats. It's best to dilute DMSO with at least 2 parts water or juice to 1 part DMSO.

Lee-B

2nd May 2010, 23:43

Can this be used to purify drinking water? would it have a similar effect to distillation?

perfectresonance

3rd May 2010, 00:46

Can this be used to purify drinking water?

Yes

would it have a similar effect to distillation?

Hmmmm, no. MMS does not eliminate inorganic impurities. By definition, distillation gives you 100% pure water. MMS gives you "purified" water - ie: pathogens are killed but metals and salts still remain.

yiolas

3rd May 2010, 06:58

Bill Ryan

3rd May 2010, 08:41

Dear Bill,
Thanks for Andreas' link and the very clear and concise instructions. I watched Andreas very compelling presentation in one of the conferences that you and Kerry were part of last Autumn. I would add a link here for those who did not hear him, but I forgot which conference it was.

Keep on Carrying On !

Thanks, Yiola - Andreas Kalcker's excellent Brussels Conference presentation (11 October, 2009) is here:

http://ustream.tv/recorded/2333128

Ixopoborn

3rd May 2010, 10:37

These actions call into question the true motives of Samvado. What exactly is he trying to achieve here?

I am prepared to reserve judgement on Samvado for a while longer. If I were forced to make a judgement now, I would say Samvado's motive is thruth concealment, not truth discovery. Because of this, I will be watching Samvado's future moves on this forum with intensified interest.

however, I am not.
what a load of crap. I have yet to see more falacies in one msg. you are 55? what have you learned in all those years?
you made it in one fell swoop onto my ingore-list, congrats. I really dont have time for lame critics like you.

Well, I guess that's that !
Pretty soon there won't be any one left to add to the ignore list and Sam will be talking to himself on the forum. LOL:rolleyes::bump2:

dont get your hopes up yet. its just 5 so far. 625 to go. I wont be monologing for a while.

its all about quality, not quantity - you could have noticed by now.

I remain unsure about Samvado’s underlying motives but his actions keep confirming something, definately something, is badly wrong about his rather childlike attitude and posting style. The above quotes are vintage Samvado!

In sofar as Samvado's reputation for trashing threads is concerned, the evidence is clear on the thread, Disclosure via Dr Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project. A forum member and, I gather, a highly respected whistleblower named TheWatcher resigned from Avalon over pathetically persistent direspectful behaviour on that thread fired up and kept alight by Samvado. Threadjacking at its worst. Fortunately, TheWatcher relented and has returned to Avalon but no thanks to Samvado.

I know I and blue777 are not alone in our views of this man's behaviour as is shown by the quote below.

It's all Sams fault ! I've seen him do it to thread after thread ! It's as if he owns the forum.

Does his regular nonsense stem from an immature core or is he deliberately setting out to disrupt debate and debase the value of Avalon? The former is acceptable up to a point but the latter must be challenged for all we are worth.

Bill Ryan

3rd May 2010, 11:46

Dear All (and to Sam in particular):

What follows is a personal view. I'm NOT wearing my mod hat here. I'm also not banning Samvado. There are no grounds to do that, as he has not breached any groundrules as far as I'm aware.

But the spirit of the forum is being violated here, in the sense that I and others had intended it to be. I want the forum to be a place of courtesy, appreciation, interesting debate, exchange and interchange of ideas, learning, and value of others' points of view. (And I'm sure I'm not alone.)

Not toe-to-toe argument. Not personal attack. Not denigration of others' sincere attempts to add value. Not barbed comments which leave the reader feeling that they wish they had not read one of Sam's posts.

So, Sam: I'm asking you to consider whether you belong here. My personal statement is that if I'd known your personality and attitudes and way of communicating, you would not have received a personal invitation to the forum. Remember, you are invited to this party. It's not a God-given privilege for you (or for anyone else) to be here.

I'm not banning you. But I'm basically asking you to leave. I'm asking you to voluntarily take yourself away and stop being someone whose contributions - and WAY OF COMMUNICATING - quite a lot of people (as far as I'm aware) do not appreciate.

None of this means that you are not a valuable person: that some of your data may not be correct: that some of your arguments may not be logical: that your intentions are not good.

It just means that your energy here is not appreciated by many. One of those many is myself.

You're spoiling the game. Please recognize this and take your energy away. It's your choice, not anyone else's, whether to do so. You are not being banned.

With my best wishes, Bill

Vidya Moksha

3rd May 2010, 12:00

Dear All (and to Sam in particular):

So, Sam: I'm asking you to consider whether you belong here. My personal statement is that if I'd known your personality and attitudes and way of communicating, you would not have received a personal invitation to the forum. Remember, you are invited to this party. It's not a God-given privilege for you (or for anyone else) to be here.

I'm not banning you. But I'm basically asking you to leave. I'm asking you to voluntarily take yourself away and stop being someone whose contributions - and WAY OF COMMUNICATING - quite a lot of people (as far as I'm aware) do not appreciate.

You're spoiling the game. Please recognize this and take your energy away. It's your choice, not anyone else's, whether to do so. You are not being banned.

With my best wishes, Bill

Sam. Many people, myself included, share these sentiments. However, I would ask you to STAY, but to moderate your language completely. Be civil, stick to facts, enquire rather than tell.." dont you think that?".." couldnt it be the case that?"... its just a different way of saying the same thing, except you endear people rather than alienate them. Avoid personal insult, completely.

Im sure you could come up with a zen statement or a quote from Chogyam Trungpa telling us we only grow through challenge and when we are unbalanced, and not cosy.. but dont. Leave it. just be nice. smile some more, especially when formulating posts.

It seems clear that if you stay, and cannot ameliorate your attitude, you will be in for a long time in the mists.

and who else has the sheer cheek and audacity to pull up Mr Bill here ? lol :P just do it nicely.. it would be a shame to lose your mind, it would be no loss to lose your attitude.

Richard

3rd May 2010, 12:16

Hi All

Samvado is set to read only for a couple days, after that brief cooling period he will be returned to regular access and be able to reply.

EDIT: The 3 posts below are unproductive, personal jibes against a valued
member who is not even allowed to respond at this time as well as off topic.
They are now being removed.
Kindly return this thread to topic.

Thanks

Gita

3rd May 2010, 12:35

Mod Edit: See Above

stardustaquarion

3rd May 2010, 12:45

Mod Edit: See Above

Swanny

3rd May 2010, 17:17

Mod Edit: See Above

MMS was originally used to purify water.

bashi

3rd May 2010, 18:31

Mod Edit: See Above

concerned square

3rd May 2010, 18:55

..........

Gita

3rd May 2010, 19:14

Dear All (and to Sam in particular):

What follows is a personal view. I'm NOT wearing my mod hat here. I'm also not banning Samvado. There are no grounds to do that, as he has not breached any groundrules as far as I'm aware.

But the spirit of the forum is being violated here, in the sense that I and others had intended it to be. I want the forum to be a place of courtesy, appreciation, interesting debate, exchange and interchange of ideas, learning, and value of others' points of view. (And I'm sure I'm not alone.)

Not toe-to-toe argument. Not personal attack. Not denigration of others' sincere attempts to add value. Not barbed comments which leave the reader feeling that they wish they had not read one of Sam's posts.
So, Sam: I'm asking you to consider whether you belong here. My personal statement is that if I'd known your personality and attitudes and way of communicating, you would not have received a personal invitation to the forum. Remember, you are invited to this party. It's not a God-given privilege for you (or for anyone else) to be here.

I'm not banning you. But I'm basically asking you to leave. I'm asking you to voluntarily take yourself away and stop being someone whose contributions - and WAY OF COMMUNICATING - quite a lot of people (as far as I'm aware) do not appreciate.
None of this means that you are not a valuable person: that some of your data may not be correct: that some of your arguments may not be logical: that your intentions are not good.

It just means that your energy here is not appreciated by many. One of those many is myself.
You're spoiling the game. Please recognize this and take your energy away. It's your choice, not anyone else's, whether to do so. You are not being banned.

With my best wishes, Bill

Richard, there was nothing wrong with I’d posted. There was nothing personal in my post. If preferences are not allowed to be voiced then you might as well delete Bill’s post as well. Seriously not happy with you deleting my post.

morguana

3rd May 2010, 19:27

Bill Ryan

The following has just been written by Andreas Kalcker, who manufactures MMS in Europe (http://mmsmineral.com).

Andreas, who is very scientific and data-rational, was very skeptical about MMS until he was convinced to test it by Robert Fleischer (Exopolitics Germany), who was present when I first interviewed Jim Humble in November 2008.

Andreas gave it an honest try: although doubtful, he felt he had nothing to lose. He had arthritis so badly that he could not lift his new-born baby.

MMS rapidly and totally cured his condition - and Andreas is now totally healthy. He was so impressed he now manufactures MMS to the highest standards currently available.

Andreas's excellent Brussels Conference presentation (11 October, 2009) is here:

http://ustream.tv/recorded/2333128

Again, the protocols below are his recommendations after studying many case histories and reading many reports from people stating that they had experienced extraordinary results.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=16156&viewfull=1#post16156

LeeSW1

Can this be used to purify drinking water? would it have a similar effect to distillation?

perfectresonance

Hmmmm, no. MMS does not eliminate inorganic impurities. By definition, distillation gives you 100% pure water. MMS gives you "purified" water - ie: pathogens are killed but metals and salts still remain.

yiolas

Dear Bill,
Thanks for Andreas' link and the very clear and concise instructions. I watched Andreas very compelling presentation in one of the conferences that you and Kerry were part of last Autumn. I would add a link here for those who did not hear him, but I forgot which conference it was.

Keep on Carrying On !

Bill-Ryan

Thanks, Yiola - Andreas Kalcker's excellent Brussels Conference presentation (11 October, 2009) is here:

http://ustream.tv/recorded/2333128

ok back to topic please folks,
on a side note has anyone been aware of shifts in energy of late?.........(just a museing and not needed to be answered here on this thread)

love to you all
happy beltain/samhain weekend
m x

stardustaquarion

3rd May 2010, 19:31

Richard, I agree with Gita. With your new criteria most of Samvado posts should have been deleted too as they were hurtfull and unproductive but no one did anything...Is this a two tracker forum now where some can really be nasty and others can not even agree with the owner of the forum?

morguana

3rd May 2010, 19:48

and why does no one use pm/ (you can send them round robin, to make sure we are all in the loop) trying to keep this on topic here, sorry to burst any bubbles but.........
isnt it time to chill yet? *looks at watch*....yep its nearly 9pm here, definatly kick back and read for pleasure time

yiolas

3rd May 2010, 21:27

Andreas's excellent Brussels Conference presentation (11 October, 2009) is here:

http://ustream.tv/recorded/2333128

If anyone hasn't seen Andreas' presentation, it is really worth seeing. In fact it was from listening to his personal experience that convinced me to order my first bottle.

Lee-B

3rd May 2010, 22:52

Thanks for your response Morguana.

Love and Light
x

Lee-B

3rd May 2010, 22:57

I'm glad of the action that Bill and the mods have taken. I think we should support one another, regardless of intellectual ability and/or experience and try and be kind to one another, we're all in this together.

Swanny

3rd May 2010, 23:07

Hey part of my post was saying that MMS was originally used to purify water. Why was that bit removed? ??????????

Ross

3rd May 2010, 23:10

Hey part of my post was saying that MMS was originally used to purify water. Why was that bit removed? ??????????

Hi Swanny, just come on. maybe you can re-post that part? I cant access your post to do so, not sure why...

Swanny

3rd May 2010, 23:27

No worries I did it. Thanks :)

NancyV

4th May 2010, 01:04

I got excited about experimenting with MMS well over a year ago and gave it a good try for at least 6 weeks. When I got up to 10 drops at a time I began puking and having diarrhea several times a day, plus I felt HORRIBLE all the time. I cut back after a week of constant sickness to try to find a dosage that didn't make me so sick and settled on 5 drops once a day. Then I only threw up once. I think I developed an allergy to MMS or a total mental block because just the smell of even 3 drops was enough to make me feel ill. Even thinking about it right now gives me a queasy feeling! But I am getting mentally prepared to try it again since the memory is dimming after a year.

I watched all the videos available on youtube, read all the info I could find including Jim Humble's books and there is no doubt in my mind that MMS has worked for many people. It may not ultimately work for me as I have allergies to some very strange things, including many alternative health products I've tried, like colloidal silver, wormwood and others. But I am willing to try MMS again. Even if I am not able to take it that doesn't mean it isn't a wonderfully valuable substance that has saved many lives. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend that anyone experiment with it. I will never give up experimenting. My husband often accuses me of trying to poison him and I have made him very sick several times with some of the concoctions I get him to try! But the only way you can learn if something works for YOU is to try it for yourself. Then if it doesn't work for you that doesn't mean it won't work for others. Of course it's always best to research all the pros and cons including as many negative and positive experiences of others you can find and decide if the pros outweigh the cons.

It matters not to me if it's partially a placebo or if the placebo effect works some of the time for some people, if it works for some it is valuable, and MMS has worked for MANY people. I'm interested in buying some of the MMS Andreas Kalcker manufactures to see if the quality of his MMS and citric acid makes any difference in my reactions to it. If it doesn't work this time for me then I may wait another year and try it again. After 3 times I might admit it's not for me! I am stubborn when experimenting with exciting alternative health protocols.

MMS did work fantastically well with a rather severe burn I got. I was taking a very hot casserole out of the oven and somehow managed to let it touch my chest (in a VERY sensitive spot and was not wearing a bra). Wow, the pain was excruciating! I activated some MMS and put it directly on my burn. The pain stopped immediately. I then soaked some gauze in some MMS solution with a bit of water in it and taped it to my chest (the sensitive spot starts with an "N") It didn't hurt at all after that and the next day there was no reaction like I normally would have had with a burn like that. So I was very impressed with how well MMS worked on a burn.

I like Andreas Kalcker and am enjoying watching his videos on youtube about MMS and his other interests.

Nancy :)

3(C)+me

4th May 2010, 02:33

SOTT Focus: Down the Rabbit Hole - The Assassination of JFK, Bishop Jim Humble And The Nexus Conference
Has anyone read the Article on this over at the Casio site. ?
Wow, Now i really do not know what to think about this MMS?
Is it a scam or the real deal?
I do not invested in this product either way but I am beginning to wonder who is behind this stuff really. I am just looking for the truth. If this is not the real deal this would not be the first time I have been fooled nor will it be the last.
Anybody have time to read this please give feedback here
Thanks
PS Their is a whole lot of drama over their over this guy Humble.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207643-Down-the-Rabbit-Hole-The-Assassination-of-JFK-Bishop-Jim-Humble-And-The-Nexus-Conference

Bill Ryan

4th May 2010, 03:21

3(C)+me

4th May 2010, 23:27

Thanks Bill for the response, I respect your opinion, if it works that is one thing if this guy has a shady dealings that is another. I have no opionion I am keeping an open mind. If he is in bed with individuals that have certain agendas it will all come out in time. Let's see what happens.

Rimbaud

5th May 2010, 23:39

I suppose that I'm very lucky as the water into my home comes straight out Cabilleros Mountain in the French haute Pyrenees...I filter it twice before it comes though my tap (fawcett) and tastes better than any bottle of Evian that you'll ever drink. I'm not sure if I need suppliments where I live now..but I bet you do if you live in large towns or Cities as I used to .

All the best

Rimbaud

Curative

6th May 2010, 02:28

Thank you Jim Humble for MMS and thank you Bill Ryan for bringing both to our attention.

Gestalt

6th May 2010, 05:52

After doing a considerable amount of reading on MMS it does seem relatively safe to consume by humans, and I can understand the mechanism of action (http://www.jimhumble.biz/biz-brochure.pdf) by how it supposedly operates.

Chlorine dioxide has been extensively tested with regards its disinfectant properties and water treatment for human consumption. Good list of articles can be found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/issues/134698/

However I do have some concerns.

Seems at least 1 person has died using MMS. Although it looks like it may have been an issue with combining with other drugs, to create a toxin. This case is shrouded in controversy as well. So obviously be careful when taking MMS in conjunction with other drugs...
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/sydney-morning-herald-double-faults-on-mms/
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207540-Deadly-Chemical-Being-Sold-as-Miracle-Cure

Because chlorine dioxide is not patented (as far as i can tell) and any chemical manufacturer seemingly can create MMS, this presents the issue of quality control, so I would be very wary of where exactly you get your MMS from.

Note that MMS has also been well documented to work on animals.

No placebo effect there... :)

As sam said, source would be nice here Bill. According to this study, as well as a few others, chlorine dioxide can and does significant damage to animals at high concentrations though. Does anyone know what the concentration in MMS 1&2 of chlorine dioxide are?

"Oral administration of chlorite (14-16) to mice was shown to increase mean corpuscular volume, osmotic fragility, and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase activity of erythrocytes; morphologic changes were reported. In the African Green monkey, chlorine dioxide adversely affected thyroid function; chlorite ingestion yielded transient changes in hemoglobin levels and red cell count (17). The maternal toxicity, embryonic toxicity and the teratogenic potential of concentrations of sodium chlorite was evaluated in rats (18). (source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf))"

Personally I can buy the story of how chlorine dioxide kills pathogens via oxidation and doesn't harm other body tissues at low concentrations. However again I have other concerns.

The average human being has anywhere between 3-4lbs (1.4-1.8kg) of bacteria and microorganisms living inside their bodies chiefly in the intestine and on the skin. These bacteria (also called pro biotic bacteria) are extremely important for human health and wellbeing. They are responsible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora#cite_note-Steinhoff-3) for "perform a host of useful functions, such as fermenting unused energy substrates, training the immune system, preventing growth of harmful, pathogenic bacteria,[2] regulating the development of the gut, producing vitamins for the host (such as biotin and vitamin K), and producing hormones to direct the host to store fats." These little critters also produce enzymes helping you break down your food. Humans form a positive mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship with these little guys.

There are close to 500 different species of microorganisms/bacteria living within you that have a combined genetic length 100x greater than that of the human genome. For every 1 of your own human body cells containing your personal genetic material, there is 10 of them!!! Thats right bacteria outnumber you in and on your own body 10 to 1. The joke among some scientists being that bacteria evolved humans to carry them around. ;)

Now my question and concern is, how does chlorine dioxide one of the most potent disinfectants known to man, only kill the small number of bad guys within your body and not the legions of good guys?? I take great care in consuming pre and probiotics for culturing the flora within my intestine. I cherish the relationship with the 500+ species of little guys living inside me. My gut goes severely out of whack if I don't take care of them. If MMS acts like a broad spectrum antibiotic, this seriously concerns me.

Dear All (and to Sam in particular):

I'm not banning you. But I'm basically asking you to leave. I'm asking you to voluntarily take yourself away and stop being someone whose contributions - and WAY OF COMMUNICATING - quite a lot of people (as far as I'm aware) do not appreciate.

You're spoiling the game. Please recognize this and take your energy away. It's your choice, not anyone else's, whether to do so. You are not being banned.

While I agree some of Sam's comments could definitely be more tactful, I do think he has contributed an incredible amount of valid criticism on many subjects. I learn much from him. It is because of people like him I come to forums like this, if he leaves I don't see much point in staying as well. It still amazes me how many people on these forums DO NOT understand the fundamental basis of a clinical placebo. And if people don't read the links me and sam post on it, and then attack us, I question how much critical analytical reasoning power is left in said people?

I can understand the bio electrochemical mechanism at work in regards to chlorine dioxide and how it could kill pathogens and viruses.....but curing cancer and healing burn victims is extremely questionable and I still think it may be the placebo effect in those cases. Unless someone does a double blind study and explains the mechanism at work to me.

As well something else to keep in mind, if MMS does work and kills pathogens/parasites, and someone is loaded full of various different pathogens/parasites, killing them would take a definitive load of the immune system and it could give the body the ability to cure cancer itself. Thus MMS itself may not cure cancer directly but as a side effect only. Compound and secondary effects need to be taken into consideration as well.

kevlor

6th May 2010, 11:34

GESTALT

i read all the above, impressive arguements. BUT, all the answers are in the jim humble book. you obviously didnt read it.

i have been on MMS for two and a half years, read everything that i know printed on the subject, and my conclusion is :- i, as an individual, am quite happy to keep useing the product. i dont need "the system" to have a double blind test tell me what i want to do with my body.

i reiterate, all the answers are in the book, do yourself a favour and read it ... kev

Gestalt

6th May 2010, 16:53

i read all the above, impressive arguements. BUT, all the answers are in the jim humble book. you obviously didnt read it.

No I have not read it yet and I will get a copy of his book. Does it contain a detailed explanation of how chlorine dioxide 'somehow' only knows how to kill bad bacteria instead of good bacteria? I have a hard time believing all good bacteria have 1 type of charge, where as all bad bacteria have a different type of charge... Has every one of the 300-1000 species of beneficial bacteria been tested?

Joslin

6th May 2010, 19:40

Hi there guys

i live in UK, and was looking for a low level uk MMS distributor, and found this site.
http://www.phhealth.co.uk/content/miracle-mineral-solution-mms?gclid=CIqCoYucvqECFWde4wod1Had-A

For a product [MMS] that is trying to stay under the radar to get maximum world wide distribution with scientific evidence, before major pharmaceutical companies had a foot to stand on to close the operation down. I find it strange that this site seems like a commercial pro-health shop advertising it like the latest drug on the market.

Does anyone know if this is genuine company telling the truth when it states;
pH health is the only official importer of Jim Humbles MMS Professional. Other UK suppliers of MMS have not had their products approved by Jim Humble. The manufacturers of MMS Professional have been approved which is why we carry it exclusively. MMS Professional is the only professional grade MMS available on the market manufactured by a GMP compliant Nutraceutical company in an FDA approved lab. Other MMS products on the market may NOT have been manufactured in such a strict enviroment and may possibly been formulated in a kitchen or a cellar by unqualified people.
.

I thought Humble was trying to stay clear of anything to do any countries FDA.

Plus it charges £21.99, which the equiverlant of $35, and i though Humble was hoping people would keep to the $20 mark. And does anyone know if the price matches the amount of phhealth.co.uk bottle 4oz = 450 drops of (MMS).

If it is genuine, please let me know, so i know where im buying mine...

Regards
Joslin

Lovepromoter

6th May 2010, 20:13

3(C)+me

8th May 2010, 21:45

However I do have some concerns.

Seems at least 1 person has died using MMS. Although it looks like it may have been an issue with combining with other drugs, to create a toxin. This case is shrouded in controversy as well. So obviously be careful when taking MMS in conjunction with other drugs...
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/sydney-morning-herald-double-faults-on-mms/
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207540-Deadly-Chemical-Being-Sold-as-Miracle-Cure

Because chlorine dioxide is not patented (as far as i can tell) and any chemical manufacturer seemingly can create MMS, this presents the issue of quality control, so I would be very wary of where exactly you get your MMS from.

As sam said, source would be nice here Bill. According to this study, as well as a few others, chlorine dioxide can and does significant damage to animals at high concentrations though. Does anyone know what the concentration in MMS 1&2 of chlorine dioxide are?

"Oral administration of chlorite (14-16) to mice was shown to increase mean corpuscular volume, osmotic fragility, and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase activity of erythrocytes; morphologic changes were reported. In the African Green monkey, chlorine dioxide adversely affected thyroid function; chlorite ingestion yielded transient changes in hemoglobin levels and red cell count (17). The maternal toxicity, embryonic toxicity and the teratogenic potential of concentrations of sodium chlorite was evaluated in rats (18). (source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf))"

Personally I can buy the story of how chlorine dioxide kills pathogens via oxidation and doesn't harm other body tissues at low concentrations. However again I have other concerns.

The average human being has anywhere between 3-4lbs (1.4-1.8kg) of bacteria and microorganisms living inside their bodies chiefly in the intestine and on the skin. These bacteria (also called pro biotic bacteria) are extremely important for human health and wellbeing. They are responsible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora#cite_note-Steinhoff-3) for "perform a host of useful functions, such as fermenting unused energy substrates, training the immune system, preventing growth of harmful, pathogenic bacteria,[2] regulating the development of the gut, producing vitamins for the host (such as biotin and vitamin K), and producing hormones to direct the host to store fats." These little critters also produce enzymes helping you break down your food. Humans form a positive mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship with these little guys.

There are close to 500 different species of microorganisms/bacteria living within you that have a combined genetic length 100x greater than that of the human genome. For every 1 of your own human body cells containing your personal genetic material, there is 10 of them!!! Thats right bacteria outnumber you in and on your own body 10 to 1. The joke among some scientists being that bacteria evolved humans to carry them around. ;)

Now my question and concern is, how does chlorine dioxide one of the most potent disinfectants known to man, only kill the small number of bad guys within your body and not the legions of good guys?? I take great care in consuming pre and probiotics for culturing the flora within my intestine. I cherish the relationship with the 500+ species of little guys living inside me. My gut goes severely out of whack if I don't take care of them. If MMS acts like a broad spectrum antibiotic, this seriously concerns me.

I can understand the bio electrochemical mechanism at work in regards to chlorine dioxide and how it could kill pathogens and viruses.....but curing cancer and healing burn victims is extremely questionable and I still think it may be the placebo effect in those cases. Unless someone does a double blind study and explains the mechanism at work to me.

As well something else to keep in mind, if MMS does work and kills pathogens/parasites, and someone is loaded full of various different pathogens/parasites, killing them would take a definitive load of the immune system and it could give the body the ability to cure cancer itself. Thus MMS itself may not cure cancer directly but as a side effect only. Compound and secondary effects need to be taken into consideration as well.

Thank you for your post, well thought out and It seems you know how this works in the system. From what I gather probably not a good idea to take on a regular basis and at low doses which is what I have done. I took it once daily 4 drops max during the whole swine flu scare last fall and then I stopped. No problems.
And as you say how can he state he knows (Humble) that it only kills bad pathogens, where is the research??? And he also states it will break down quickly with no after effects. Another thing that bothers me if this is what he states it is than the system (PTB) would have done one of two things, bring him down through attacking him and find a way to close this operation down, yet, no sign of that. It does make me wonder. And yes the plecbo affect is very powerful. Thoughts are things as Seth would say.

Bill Ryan

8th May 2010, 23:44

Hi, Folks:

I received the following just now from a friend whose name some of you would instantly recognize. For obvious reasons, I’m keeping his identity confidential. The message is reproduced with his permission.

*****

Dear Bill,

I just wanted to drop a line to say hello and to let you know that although I discovered MMS last year (because of you), I used it but since I was not sick, I couldn’t give a testimonial.

After I returned from the International UFO Congress I wasn’t feeling well. To make a long story short I got a virus that went to the sack that surrounds my heart.

After many sleepless nights I was told to call 911. An ambulance took me to the hospital (nitro under tongue, I.V. and all) where I had to stay for a couple of nights. Bear in mind I work out and have never felt healthier prior to this happening.

I was given ibuprofen for a week to reduce the inflammation around the heart. After I was done with the ibuprofen, I was still not feeling that great.

That’s when I took my bottle of MMS out and started a protocol. After just ONE day I felt brand new, went to the cardiologist a few days later and I’m totally back to normal.

I just wanted to let you know that if it hadn’t been for you, I would not know what MMS was.

I thought you’d enjoy this story and hope your search for the truth continues.

Best always,

[name withheld]

Sunny d

9th May 2010, 00:04

so does anybody know what the consequences are of taking MMS for longer time??? Does it stop working? are there any side effects? I mean...every drug has a side effect on your body. did anyone used this product longer then a few years. ( I know you shouldnt use it for month in a row) enlighten me..! just curious :)

Wood

9th May 2010, 00:06

Another thing that bothers me if this is what he states it is than the system (PTB) would have done one of two things, bring him down through attacking him and find a way to close this operation down, yet, no sign of that. It does make me wonder.
There are plenty of people trying to discredit him and his work. Just watch what happens when you post something about it on a mainstream, popular forum (I am not talking about PA).

It is not possible to 'close his operation down' since both MMS1 and MMS2 are simple and cheap chemicals and they are available from hundreds of sources. Also, it is not difficult to make MMS1 at home. Not sure about MMS2.

kevlor

10th May 2010, 11:17

sunny d

enlighted yourself, by reading the book. its all there, dont rely on skippits you read in a forum. (i have been on it over two years - beautiful stuff)

Gestalt

10th May 2010, 20:53

One thing I noticed while watching the interview, is that Jim Humble states (24min mark) Africa has a 60% HIV rate. This is WRONG.
Africa's average HIV rate is approximately 6%....NOT 60%. Small inconsequential slip up, but I rather people knew the correct figure.

Rozzy

29th June 2010, 04:36

I used myself for a guinea pig and tried out MMS1, it worked as per Humbles instructions and claims, I have since given it to several others with very positive results. Many thousands of people die per year from approved meds from big Pharma, many others from negligent doctors, case in point; my mother recently came very close to death because a doctor mixed meds that become very toxic when used together, the doctor never even blinked and has carried on with out a second thought about it.
Prescription and non prescription drugs have many and severe side effects and known problems including causing death that are acknowledged by the drug companies that produce them.
So far Jim Humble and his MMS are running pretty well in the human race, every day his track record is growing and people are being helped, some of which are in dire circumstances with nothing to loose and everything to gain, so far I give a thumbs up and hope the stats continue to build up with the successes for the unfortunate in need of a cure.

bennycog

29th June 2010, 08:39

Bill Ryan

29th June 2010, 09:03

i have tried it.. but could not continue.. i have chronic arthritis in both ankles and believe it is spreading throughout my whole body.. very painfull i tell you especially with the kind of work i have to do.. i tried it for a few days, mixing it they way i was told on the paper work.. but after a few days i could not hold it down. every time i had it i would throw it back up..
i still have it and want to try again but i have to wait for my body to forget the throwing up part..
bennycog

Hi there - I've sent you a PM with Andreas Kalcker's address. He had arthritis so badly that he could not lift his new born baby. MMS completely handled the problem, and he is now 100% healthy.

Do also take a look at THE MMS USER'S GUIDE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?937-Jim-Humble-update&p=16156&viewfull=1#post16156) here:

My personal suggestion would be that if you find you can't stomach it or keep it down, you might try little-and-often... my understanding is that many people who can't take larger doses can handle [say] two or three drops per hour on a regular ongoing basis.

That way the body is not overwhelmed. Note that I'm not a medic, but from what others have reported, this might be well worth a try.

I sent you Andreas's contact details by PM (look in your inbox in your personal profile settings).

Good luck - Bill

Rozzy

29th June 2010, 15:38

That is exactly what I did was to start with only a two drop dose but took it four times a day, I never mixed it with juice, I have very pure well water and used that and found the taste of the water would be a little off but quite exceptable to drink.
That is my recommendation as well, small doses only as often as your body will except it, if you are nauseous then try a smaller dose, I am six foot 250 LBS and two drop doses worked well for me.

P.S. I meditate and pray a little too :cool:

Rozzy

14th August 2010, 06:17

MMS report:

One of the guys I work with has been really sick, hives, chest pains and overall very sick, I noticed he was not at work and asked why, his condition had worsened to the point where he could not work. He had been on meds and Dr. had done tests but no prognosis and no idea to what was wrong, they were scheduling more tests. I introduced him to MMS1, gave him Jim's book and off I went to work for a few days, upon returning to our home office low and behold here he is at work all smiles and feeling like a million bucks. He had taken a fifteen drop dose and then a twenty drop dose, his one comment was "that stuff is wicked".
Whatever was making him sick is gone completely and he is 100% aok and back to work.
Big thanks first to Jim Humble and also Bill Ryan for being brave enough to get the word out despite the criticism that would inevitably come.

Anchor

14th August 2010, 08:44

On PA1, there was a thread "Have You Healed Yourself".

It is here ( http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18858 ) if you are interested - it is well worth a look. My post #9, documents my self healing with MMS - I will copy it below.

{repost from Anchor from PA1, with minor edit to improve}

I am very interested in hearing about anyone who has healed themselves of an illness or a disease.

Response:

My routine chest x-ray (CXR) that I had to have for my permenant residency application showed a problem. The problem was bi-hilar and mediastinal lymphadenopathy.

The radiologist told me it was bad (differential diagnosis included Hodgkins Lymphoma). Later that day the GP told me it to sit down, did I want my wife present.... possibly game over!

The specialist I was referred to told me not to worry, as I was completly asymptomatic it was probably only Sarcoidosis !!

That little sequence of events took 4 days and was an eye opening and traumatic experience from which I needed healing right there and then. Days 1,2 and 3 I seriously thought I was going to exit earlier than originally expected.

The specialist wanted to take a biopsy - but I refused, since I was asymptomatic at the time. He agreed that I could do my thing for four months and we would get another CXR

I followed a regimen of MMS - working from 1 up to 15 drops twice a day. Made daily requests for help. Lots of healing meditation. Listened to Solfeggio tones. Four months and some very freaking strange experiences later my CXR was clear.

I remember seeing the X-Rays side by side and getting worried as it was clearly getting worse even to my untrained eyes - however he had put them up in reverse date order. He looked at the 4 month X-Ray for about 4 minutes and finally said

"I would not have expected that!"

That was some feeling - an explosion of releif.

He wrote on my letter - "strong evidence of benign resolving process", and within two weeks I had my permenant residency.

So - I can tell you from my heart, based on my personal experience, you definately CAN heal yourself.

Later I was informed by a reliable "connected" source that this was an experience I had to go through so that I could testify that it is completely possible to heal yourself - and to know for sure the efficacy of MMS.

It is a lot easier with help though.

One last thing... forgiveness is a major factor in healing.

We all make mistakes that lead us to the point we are.. A large part of healing is forgiveing yourself for the abuses you put your body through etc. Accepting a new state whereby one is healed - in my view - requires resolution of the old state and that requires forgiveness of yourself by yourself. No-one else need be involved at this level.

A..

Victoria Tintagel

18th August 2010, 19:38

Quoting John: "One last thing... forgiveness is a major factor in healing. We all make mistakes that lead us to the point we are.. A large part of healing is forgiveing yourself for the abuses you put your body through etc. Accepting a new state whereby one is healed - in my view - requires resolution of the old state and that requires forgiveness of yourself by yourself. No-one else need be involved at this level".

Thanks John, for your healing story. I agree totally with what you say about forgiveness and being on your own at this level. I have been knocked out after major changes in my life that happened all at once, letting go of business and relationship. After my decision to end my business, one week later my eyes became red and painful, very sensitive to light. This process took half a year and I never was free of pain in my eyes during that period, which was agonising. The first 3 months I was totally exhausted and slept 14 hours, took care of myself during waking hours, living on my own, without help. This was the darkest part as I was very bad tempered, but I endured. At a certain point I knew I had to make a decision, saying "yes" or "no" to my life.
I knew I had to go when it was "no" and there was no way out. My choice! I knew then that the answer was "YES" and when I really felt that "YES" I knew I would heal and that I would be okay in the springtime of 1995. From that moment on I was in my power again and could endure the pain in my eyes. I became stronger and felt better, my immune system was my friend again. People around me were anxious and warned me to go to an eye doctor. I went out of curiosity to see what the doctor would find and there was nothing physically wrong with me, he said. At that point in my life I knew my eyes had forced me to go on an inner journey, to see what was inside. I could not bare to endure the light and closed my eyes as often as possible. My emotional body traveled on a roller coaster and I could feel my whole brain inside my head. I felt like a shell without a shell or like a snail without his home. Whenever I cried, my tears were a medicine to my eyes. As I grew optimistic and strong again, I told people that worried "Don't worry, be happy, it is going to be fine" I never saw so many question marks in people around me! I remember a particular moment in the autumn of 1994, when I walked in a meadow with brightly colored tree leaves, on an early morning. The leaves were covered with ice crystals and they looked like jewels in the winter sun, bright red and yellow and orange. I looked at them and was deeply moved by it. In tears I thought "How beautyful the Earth is!" And then, in march 1995, all was well again, a new me was born....... and my connection with planet Earth was very strong, my immune system has grown very strong and I learned that loving myself is the key to this. For a couple of years after, I often felt like I had a treasure box with me, without a bottom in sight.......... thanks for sharing this with you, John! Bless you!

unplugged

18th August 2010, 22:56

Here is Jim's reply to the FDA shutting him down:

ENJOY!

====================

Warning: FDA-approved drugs cause death

225,000 people died last year after taking one or more drugs approved by the FDA and prescribed by a doctor. (Some agencies report a much greater number; depends upon what agency is reporting.)

No, these people do not die as a natural progression of their disease, whatever it might be. These human beings die as a result of taking prescribed drugs. The action of the drug kills them. The drug Vioxx, for example, killed 60,000 people before the FDA took it off the market. These death reports are on the internet. Just look them up under “Medical drugs and death.”

The public has brain-washed itself, with the help of endless commercials manipulated by powerful Pharmaceutical interests, into believing that drug deaths are a natural result of illness, and that the deaths are inevitable. The public so desperately wants to believe that these drugs will work that they are willing to risk death. The FDA wants to make money so badly that it puts millions of people at risk daily, taking drugs that have caused the death of hundreds of thousands each year. THESE DEATHS ARE NOT NECESSARY. There is not a single drug on the market that will heal; they only treat symptoms, and most often ineffectively. Sorry, I've just got to say it, that is murder, plain and simple. I must mention that if most people take better care of themselves by knowing the facts, these astronomical numbers would be significantly reduced overnight.

The FDA just recently issued a warning against MMS. They did not conduct tests, refer to the actual chemistry, or consult with experts. Instead, they listened to several reports from individuals who 'thought that they might have had a bad reaction from MMS'. The FDA did nothing more than respond to these allegations, according to their own report. What about the thousands of reports of benefit from MMS users?

What about the National Institute of Health Report done by Judith R. Lubbers, Sudha Chauan, and Joseph R. Bianchine back in 1982 where, with double blind clinical trials, they proved that ingesting chlorine dioxide had no ill effects on the human body. Look it up yourself. Click here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf

More than 5 million people have tried MMS, and it is being used worldwide in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, and a thousand other places on earth. The FDA receives a couple of 'iffy' statements from “several” consumers, and now they are doing their best to take MMS off of the market!

Why is that? Why do you think the FDA wants to remove MMS from the market?

MMS REPLACES MANY FDA-APPROVED DRUGS!
DO YOU SEE? ALWAYS, ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY!

I DON’T NEED TO GIVE YOU PROOF HERE; THE PROOF IS ALL OVER THE INTERNET. SEE FOR YOURSELVES! LOOK UP JIM HUMBLE, MIRACLE MINERAL SOLUTION, OR JUST MMS. IF YOU WISH TO SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SAYING, GOOGLE EUROPE OR ANY CONTINENT OR COUNTRY.

Years ago the FDA convinced the public and college students (those are the easiest to convince) that you need to have double blind and triple blind tests in a laboratory and that you needed to start out testing rats to prove that they get well first. By the time you finish with those tests you have spent a few hundred million dollars and a few years. And that is the way that they discourage most others from ever even trying to complete those tests. They are extremely expensive, and the prohibitive cost will most often result in a person giving up before definitive results are possible.

I proved, in the jungle, in the city, and anywhere people are sick around the world, that you don’t have to spend money. It is only the results that count. I know it is ridiculously simple, so much so that it scares me to mention it. When I needed to prove MMS2 and I had a sick person to treat, I myself took a little tiny bit, and then some more, and then more, and when it didn’t harm me, I gave it to the sick person to see if it would work. And guess what? Sick people everywhere got well. When I asked them, “How are you feeling", they told me, “Great.” Do you see? It’s so much easier to work with people because they can talk. You can’t ask a rat how he feels and it’s an expertise that I don’t have, finding out how a rat feels.

So I short circuited the testing program by millions of dollars and many years. Then, for the fun of it, I asked a few people who were cured of cancer if they would rather have risked dying while I performed the correct rat program with double blind and triple blind tests. Not one of them would have preferred to risk dying while we spent years completing those tests.

Just so you know, and not to brag at all, I have successfully given more than 5000 sick people MMS by personally handing the solution to each person. On the occasions when I had assistance, I was there on the spot supervising. Also, I treated 5000 more suffering humans by email and telephone. I can safely say at this point that I have seen more people cured of incurable diseases than anyone else has. And I have answered more than 30,000 emails and my secretary a similar number.

Now let me introduce myself to you once again. I am BISHOP JAMES V HUMBLE of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing.

I started the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing for the purpose of health and healing. It is legally formed. I was a Bishop first and then I created the Church. I started a few years ago as a Minister and eventually was consecrated as a Bishop in a lineage of Bishops leading back to Christ. This church I have formed is not a spiritual church, it is a church of Health and Healing for Mankind. That’s what we are doing now and that is what we will be doing --

Healing

That is a legitimate activity for a church. Our ministers heal as ministers should -- at no cost. For free. They depend upon donations to continue their Ministry. We don’t try to teach religious truths. We teach healing using our cleansing solution -- the solution that the FDA seeks to remove from the market. And we teach truths related to spiritual and physical healing and personal integrity.
We heal 98% of the diseases of mankind. Again, the evidence is on the Internet, and Bishop Jim (that’s me) has often been in Africa, healing diseases there. Most recently, in Africa, I treated 800 HIV/AIDS cases successfully. You might know that there are no tests to prove that HIV is cured because antibodies for the disease will always be present and antibodies are what they test for. However, what I did prove was that all of their symptoms were gone and they were back to work. Forty cases of cancer were gone, 50 cases of numb legs and feet were gone, 5 heart diseases were gone, a dozen cases of malaria that previously wouldn’t go away were now gone, Hepatitus C symptoms were gone, and all these cases were verified by the local hospital. And of course, there were several dozen other symptoms caused by HIV that were gone as well.

Please join us and help with this important work! See the links at the bottom of this page.

I made complete records, and I have 750 phone numbers of those cured. I can make some or all of these phone numbers available to anyone wishing to verify the actual cures of these people. They all have phones. They are in Malawi. Most of them speak a little English. Hospitals won’t give out data, but most of the people speak enough to say how they are feeling. You can call them if you want, but you will need to come here.

Now you can be protected against forced vaccination of yourself and your children, and against forced insurance. That will include dozens of other suppressions such as dangerous health-destroying, altered foods that the government and companies such as Monsanto are trying to force onto us. We will have health food stores in our churches that are not restricted by Codex Alimentarious.

To join, please see the links at the bottom of this page.

To belong to the Genesis 2 Church: All you have to do is believe in GOOD DEEDS, HEALING, AND ALWAYS DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. The Genesis 2 Church will stand between those who want to kill us and the people. As time goes by, it will protect us from gigantic oil spills done on purpose, terrorist acts like diseases created in laboratories, vaccinations that destroy the health of children and adults, chemical trails in the sky, altered foods of all kinds, laws against home schooling of children, and the US government that confiscates 5 billion dollars’ worth of private property each year with no chance of its recovery (See the Civil Forfeiture Act of 2000, HR1658) AND OF COURSE, dozens of other evils too numerous to mention here.

Down through the thousands of years, churches have continually claimed that they are working to save mankind. But we are the first church that can in fact actually heal thousands of people and thousands of diseases. We prove it daily. If you are sick, let us heal you for free.

Here's how it might go:

Genesis II Minister: Would you like to be free of your (cancer, malaria, TB, HIV)?

Ill Person: Yes, I would. I’m tired of this pain and disability.

Genesis II Minister: What would it be worth to you, to be free of it, to be healed?

Ill Person: In terms of money? A million dollars!

Genesis II Minister: (grins) But could you pay a million dollars for your healing?

Ill Person: Oh. Well, no, but I could pay you fifty dollars and I’d be glad to do that if you actually do heal me so I can put my life back together.

Genesis II Minister: OK, then would you be willing to donate $50 to the Genesis II Church after you’ve been really healed?

Ill Person: Yes, I would, if my symptoms are gone and I feel good and I can go back to work.

Genesis II Minister: Right. Let’s agree then: I’ll heal you and you donate $50 to our Church after you’re healed.

Ill Person: Yes. It’s a deal.

But most important is that you join our church, the

Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing.

If you join our church, you will receive our protection and our beliefs that you must not be vaccinated and all the other benefits of our Church. We train a new class of Ministers of Health every 60 days here in the Dominican Republic or you can choose to take our DVD ministers training course and work at home. People who take our training become Ministers of Health. They minister health to the world. Our ministers are the most unusual people that the world has ever seen. They leave here with the ability to heal more than 95% of the ills of mankind. The day will come that a Minister of Health will command a great deal more respect than a doctor and soon.

The DVD ministers training course is a home study course and we will make sure that you are fully trained before you receive your certificate. We do this by our unique training and testing plan. When you receive our test, we will know by your answers if you really know the data. If not, we will continue to train you until you do know it.You can’t fail because we will keep training you until you succeed. (See bottom of page for links)
Fifty percent of all the net income of the Genesis 2 Church is put into a protection fund to hire lawyers and other people to protect our members. We expect to have a really large fund for this purpose and all of the church's money of the church is accounted for. The church is run on a completely transparent basis with financial reports to our members. When our protection fund is large, governments will not be able to interfere in the rights of our people, because we will have the lawyers and other people to insure our rights.

Our Minister of Health Training Class

The next training course starts on the 20th of September, and the training course after that will be on the 25th of October. The cost of the first week of training is $1000, which includes room and board. (If you don't have the money and you need a discount in order to come, we will make sure you can afford it. Talk to us. You will be surprised.)

The second week of training includes 3 days in the local villages or at a clinic on the Haitian border and this training includes your Doctor of MMS certificate (see below). The cost is $500 for the second week which includes room and board. If you spend at least 3 days helping the people of the villages (Mark will be with) you will also receive a certificate of Doctor of MMS if you pass the MMS training course test. You have unlimited time to pass the test. But you must know the data in order to pass the test.

CERTIFICATES: These are the certificates that you will receive for completing the training given here:

1. Certificate of Completion of the course.

2. Certificate of Minister of Health you can use Rev. in front of your name legally

3. Certificate of Membership in the Church

4. Certificate of Authorization to open your own Chapter of the Church

5. Church Plastic ID Card

6. Those completing the second week of at least 3 days ministering to the local people will Receive a Doctor of MMS Certificate and you can legally use Doctor in front of your name or Doctor of MMS after your name. Also you can use Rev. Dr. in front of your name. You must also past the questionnaire for MMS training.

DVD Minister of Health Training Course

The DVD Minister of Health training course includes all of the above certificates when completed. The cost of the course is $350 plus. It includes transcripts of one complete training course, and complete DVDs. However, at this time, all Dr. of MMS certificates will be issued only to those who complete the 3 days of treating local villagers. The cost is ½ price for those who are taking or have taken the DVD course which is $350. It should be done here in the DR, but could also be done in other parts of the world where you may live. To qualify, it must be a third world country.

Prices PRICES:

DR Training week one ------------------------------------------$1,000

DR Training Week two includes DR. MMS Cert. ------$500

DVD complete MMS Training (from two seminars) -- you get all certificates except Doctor (for which you must come to DR and treat villagers in a third world country) -- $350

Genesis 2 Church Membership with ID card -----------$20

Links

To come to the one or two week training course in the Dominican Republic, please email gmark777@gmail.com or mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com

Or you can call Mark Grenon at 1-809439 3698 (country code required from the US)
For details on the training course, please go to www.mmstrainingcourse.com
To join our church, please call Mark at the above phone number or email him at gmark777@gmail.com

Jim Humble’s book and DVD -- www.miraclemineral.org

If you would like to speak to Jim Humble, please call Mark Grenon at the above number and ask for Jim’s phone number. It’s OK.

Project Green Life (www.projectgreenlife.com/) has opted to bow down to the FDA and recall all the bottles of MMS that they have ever sold.

There is no reason for this, as it has already been proved in double blind tests that MMS does no harm. Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved.

But Project Green Life has chosen to frighten thousands of Americans and other citizens of the world by claiming that they believe what the FDA has NOT proved. I am sorry to report this. But people who have saved thousands have now chosen to betray them. However, the fact still remains that MMS has been used by millions. Hundreds of thousands have improved their health and hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved.
--
As always with love
Jim Humble

Carmody

20th August 2010, 05:30

Anchor

20th August 2010, 07:55

There is no prohibition of any kind against purchasing Sodium Chlorite powder, or Citric acid powder.

So keep on buying 'the basics' in mass quantiies--anyway.

It is far more financially effective to do it that way.

Somewhat more prone to error though. You need to understand how to make up the correct concentrations.

Carmody

20th August 2010, 14:00

It is a two pronged front, or attack.

There is, brewing, in the works.. an attempt to eliminate or drastically change the contents of 'pool shock..or..MMS2. They are saying that people are entering pools with sunscreen on them and that this is creating a carcinogenic reaction between the two materials. Ie, the complex chemistry of the sun screen reacting with the complex chemistry of the more expensive (versions of) pool shock is 'apparently' giving some people skin cancer or worse versions of cancer.

so... 'they' seem to be angling for a precedent and precedents and to tally up more and more of these, ie create a 'case history' and background ..and then use that undocumented and unproven incidental 'pile of whatever' to eliminate pool shock and thus eliminate MMS2 from 'common human reach and knowledge'.

Look for that as the next step in this game.

So, the drive is on, as they are establishing the first few bits of a 'casus belli' (fake created reason) for the pulling of pool shock from all locations in the US. Watch for it soon, methinks.

nomadguy

20th August 2010, 15:43

I agree with you Carmondy, I thin kwe will see more attempts to destroy the progress Jim has built. Moves to confuse seem rampant at the moment.

Wood

20th August 2010, 19:08

Time to get some big buckets (I mean 5kg or so) of calcium hypochlorite pool shock then. With that you can cover the needs of a small community for years :).
I have noticed it is not easy for me to get it now. The pool products sold in every mainstream place I've checked have different chemicals. I had to order it online.

Carmody

21st August 2010, 03:06

The cheapest stuff tends to be the cleanest. Meaning pure calcium Hypochlorite, and nothing else, as the additives cost money. Thus the usual logic of getting the best with the highest price is exactly the opposite, here. Pay less, and get what you want. Wall Mart sells some at 65% effective strength or 'availability', and it is a pure Calcium hypochlorite, from my experience.

HTH brand, the 'Sock It' version.

For those of you in Canada, 'Canadian Tire' sells the same brand and version.

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Most pool stores handle complex formula type pool shocks as they can't make money off the cheaper but pure stuff. So beware. Do not pursue or use such products.

I had a long discussion with a young man who worked at such a 'high end' pool supply store. When I told him what it was and what it was for, he nearly turned white. Not because he thought I was crazy, he could see the basic sense in the information well enough that he was going to pursue it himself, with regard to investigation. He was concerned about all the chemical additives and overall complex chemistry in the more expensive and so called 'high end' pool shock brands and packages, and that the odd person might come in and not know what they were getting into.

nomadguy

5th September 2010, 02:36

hmm, this may enable a new perspective on things -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37qDeF0NMrE&feature=player_embedded

Ross

5th September 2010, 09:08

Somewhat more prone to error though. You need to understand how to make up the correct concentrations.

The highest possible grade of Sodium Chlorite is a good start.

Wood

5th September 2010, 17:04

I've healed a cat with MMS1 last week. It is a stray cat that lives around a friend's house in a rural area, and she uses to feed it most days since it was very young. The cat has never been vaccinated (or examined by a vet in any way) and it is quite wild. It is about 1.5 years old and maybe 4kg of weight, skinny. It was coughing, refused to eat but a little bit (despite being quite skinny), and had severe conjunctivitis. I fed it one drop the first day, diluted with water and mixed with food in one go (probably too much for the first day), and 1 drop in the morning and about half a drop in the evening for another 4 days (although it was probably healed by day 3 or 4). It is fine now. The cat, after a few minutes of eating the food mixed with MMS1, seemed to experience nausea and it used to lay down and sleep, and sometimes mourn a bit. The healing effect was apparent after just one day of treatment.

To mix half a drop I activated one drop and then added a measure of water with a syringe. Then I got back half the amount of liquid with the syrnge and added that to the food. It should be a little less than half a drop of MMS1.

I decided to risk giving it a full drop from the beginning because I just had 5 days to treat it and the cat just dropped by two or three times a day (it is a stray cat, not used to life inside a house), and I think the conjunctivitis may lead to blindness in cats. I think it is better to start with less quantity administered more frequently (e.g. start with 1/4 of drop or less three or four times a day, or less for an smaller cat), if there is plenty of time.

EDIT: I decided 1 drop could be a lot but not lethal by comparing the weight of the cat (4kg) with that of a human (say 65kg), and figuring out that 1 drop should be equal to 16 drops in a human. That is a high dose but not lethal, from what I've read in Jim Humble's website (I think I've read about a maximum dose of 50 drops per day for an adult, split in at least 3 ingestions).

brtanner

7th September 2010, 20:05

Another recent Jim Humble email broadcast:

Link to html version with hyperlinks:
http://genesis2church.com/2010/08/30/fda-data-proves-mms-kills-diseases/

FDA DATA PROVES MMS KILLS DISEASES

The data and regulations of the FDA prove
that MMS actually works!

1. MMS kills 95% of all diseases: It may surprise you that there is one point concerning MMS that all people agree on. At least all government agencies that are involved, universities, scientists and even my critics all admit to it. The chemical chlorine dioxide, which is what MMS generates, is one of the most effective killers of disease pathogens known to man. At this late time in the game, no group argues against the point that chlorine dioxide kills at least 95% of all disease pathogens upon contact. It is simply a known scientific fact. There are plenty of scientific papers on the Internet giving this data. Just google “chlorine dioxide.” FDA 21CFR173.300 is just one of many FDA regulations authorizing the use of chlorine dioxide to kill pathogens. Google “FDA chlorine dioxide” for more evidence. You can read 21CFR by putting it in your browser.

Note: (For information about MMS Seminars, video course or Genesis II membership, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com)

2. Chlorine dioxide does no damage to the human body: The next argument was that chlorine dioxide goes forth and kills everything in its path including good and bad bacteria, parasites, viruses, fungus and also damages human body parts. But that is not so. There are thousands of industrial corporations listed on the Internet that use chlorine dioxide for the very reason, because it can be very selective in what it destroys (oxidizes). When properly used at low levels of concentration it can select pathogens and not affect body parts. For a list of companies using chlorine dioxide because it is selective, Google “chlorine dioxide selective.” Here is a quote by the US Gov EPA Http://www.epa.gov./ogwdw000/mdbp/pdf/alter/chapt_4.pdf 4.1 Chlorine Dioxide Chemistry: Chlorine dioxide functions as a highly selective oxidant due to its unique, one-electron transfer mechanism where it is reduced to chlorite (ClO2-) (Hoehn et al., 1996). 4.4 – Chlorine dioxide is a strong oxidant and disinfectant. Its disinfecting mechanisms are not well understood, but appear to vary by the type of microorganism. 4.4.1 – In the first disinfection mechanism, chlorine dioxide reacts readily with amino acids cysteine, tryptophan, and tyrosine, but not with viral ribonucleic acid (RNA) (Noss etal., 1983; Olivier et al., 1985) It was concluded that chlorine dioxide inactivated viruses by altering the viral capsid proteins.

Do you See? These quotes and hundreds of other quotes I didn’t have room for prove conclusively that MMS can be selective and is indeed selective. Now one more thing: www.lenntech.com/index.htm#ixzz0wGcRVcfM This data written by Lenntech is often quoted around the world by universities and in scientific papers. This company, along with others, proves that chlorine dioxide does not harm the human body in low concentrations such as those used by MMS. This is the quote:

“As an oxidizer chlorine dioxide is very selective. It has the ability due to unique one-electron exchange mechanism. Chlorine dioxide attacks the electron-rich center of organic molecules. One electron is transferred and chlorine dioxide is reduced to chlorite (ClO2).” Then the chlorite attracts four more electrons which rips a hole in the side of the pathogen, killing it.

3.There is no dangerous liability to ingesting chlorine dioxide over an extended period of time. The next argument was the concept that taking MMS might be dangerous when taking it for a few days. But that has also been proven not true. Back in 1982, the National Institutes of Health in Washington, DC conducted an extended double blind clinical trial to determine that very fact, whether there is a liability in taking chlorine dioxide over a period of time. They also tested the chemicals sodium chlorite, and sodium chlorate at the same time. The tests were conducted with humans and not with rats, thus one does not have to try to extrapolate to show that rats can equal humans. The tests conducted showed that no adverse conditions resulted in human bodies. Here is the link to the report. Read it for yourself and decide. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf

4. Save your life or that of a loved one within the next 5 years. Commonly quoted statistics say that either you or one of your loved ones will have a life threatening sickness sometime within the next five years. If you have a bottle of MMS in your medicine cabinet, chances are it will save your life or that of whoever is sick in your household at that time.

5. MMS leaves no dangerous chemicals behind to cause side effects:

The final argument generally was, “MMS may leave dangerous chemicals behind when it deteriorates.” But that is not true either. The chemistry of chlorine dioxide proves that it cannot leave anything dangerous behind as it deteriorates into its component parts: sodium chlorite, sodium chlorate, and table salt (sodium chloride). They are all gone from your body within several hours.

6. MMS destroys at least 95% of the diseases of mankind: MMS destroys cancer and all the rest of the diseases that you or your loved ones might ever get. More than 5 million people have used MMS. More than 150 thousand books have been sold in Germany alone and it has been translated to over 18 languages, including Russian, Japanese, and Chinese, and is selling in most European countries. More than 50 thousand books have sold in the US. More than 5 million free MMS books have been downloaded. At least 200,000 lives have been saved to date.

Note: (For information about MMS Seminars, video course or Genesis II membership, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com)

7. So the FDA has decided that they will take MMS away from the people. They are forcing the MMS stores to recall every bottle that was sold and now they want to watch while the owners destroy everything in their shops. This is also happening in Japan, no doubt instigated by our FDA. This is the start, but they want to take it all away from the world, and they will do their best to use their authority to see that the world does not have MMS.

Can you possibly believe that 220,000 people died last year after taking an FDA-approved drug prescribed by a doctor? Well that is a fact and it is well documented on the Internet. Not one person worldwide died from taking MMS. The critics like to name a couple of cases worldwide where someone died, but in each case there was no logical connection to MMS.

The FDA intends to send the owners of the MMS stores to prison as examples for the world to see that no one must ever again be able to cure themselves of disease. Do you see? MMS, a chemical that has been discovered to cure the diseases of Mankind, is in danger of being disregarded for all time. We cannot let this happen.

Those of you who cannot believe in MMS should still stand against making MMS illegal. What if, on the off chance, I could be right? Will you take the chance of losing something that might save you or a loved one? Why take the chance? If nothing else, insist that it be tested in Labs throughout the world.

8. So let me tell you about the attack on me. Hope you don’t think I am paranoid. Anybody who does anything will develop a few critics. So when I developed a few I thought, well that’s normal, and I took the time to answer some of them. But instead of them listening to what I had to say, they attacked again, totally destroying what I had to say, but it wasn’t logical. They just said everything and anything that came into their heads that they thought sounded like it refuted my answers, even if what they had to say had no reason or no logic.

Then something else that was funny -- I developed dozens of critics, if not hundreds of critics around the world. And then one more funny (peculiar) thing showed up. All the critics seemed to be attacking the same logical points. Of course these points were the logical points to attack, as many people who have only an apathetic interest in health and healing might see them as uninteresting and then say, “Of course. That stupid Snake Oil Humble is only out for our money.” (That’s the favorite name for me nowadays as far as critics are concerned.)

Those sheep then walk into their living room, pick up their TV control, hit the on button, click down to American Idol, and never again consider that their Hepatitis C could be cured, or their child’s HDD, or their wife’s breast cancer. It’s exactly what the people controlling the FDA want: sheep who never question a thing from the government. The point was that all the critics were questioning the same points as if someone had told them all the same things to say.

9. MMS is now at a critical turning point in History. Whether the MMS wins out and we wind up with the ability to treat ourselves, or the FDA wins and MMS remains just a memory in most of our minds depends on you, the reader, at this time. MMS is no longer freely available. I am sure most of you understand that the FDA is there, and has been there for all these years, to protect the income of the drug companies. The executives at the FDA are all personnel from the pharmaceutical companies and always have been. Go ahead and Google: “how many former FDA employees now work at Big Pharma?”

It could now be a small fight with ProjectGreenLife winning (that’s all of us against the FDA) or they lose, at which point we would have a much larger fight. Daniel at ProjectGreenLife.com has been the first that they have hit, but hit hard. They now want him to destroy everything in his shop while they watch to make sure he does it. In the past they came in and destroyed everything before they arrested the owner, but now they are learning to force the owner to do it, and that gives the impression that he thinks he is guilty (or of course he wouldn’t do it.) So without making any threats or promises of any kind they just ask for your cooperation but you know if you don’t cooperate they will hit you harder. They no doubt intend to send everyone to prison. So we must win this one case.

Note: (For information about MMS Seminars, video course or Genesis II membership, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com)

10. A Precedent to Invade Our Homes. Also let me point out that if we lose this one case, the FDA will then have set a precedent to invade the privacy of our homes. They are saying that the use of MMS and how it is mixed and combined in the home is within their jurisdiction. You have no idea of the power that they are trying to garner. If they win this one case they will have set the precedent that will allow them to come into our homes and decide what we can mix and do. That would certainly kill MMS, as we are working on a way to produce MMS by electricity in our homes. The FDA would be able to come into our homes, break in and confiscate anything that they think might be used in making MMS even for our own use -- and on top of that, they would be able to charge us with a crime.

So at this point, we need help with the money to beat the FDA. But we have a unique offer. This could be a big fight or a little one. We want to make it a little one. We have a little-known strategy that has won many times against the U.S. government and that has been upheld by the Supreme Court each time it was questioned. This strategy will require an unknown amount of money. It is not cheap, but in terms of legal battles, it is cheap. We need your help. Earth needs your help, mankind needs your help.

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“Evil only prevails when good people do nothing!”

The results of this first case will determine how much the FDA will be able to control your nutrition and the destiny of your health and your drugs and healing in the future. If we let them win by default, we will never again be able to use anything but drugs to treat our diseases, because that is what they have said and it is what they intend. It has been said many times, “Follow the money.” In this case, follow the money to where they want it to go and that is exclusively for drugs.

So this is our unique request. It’s my unique request. Please donate what you can and as much as you can, and whatever money is not spent directly on this one case, I will refund. If the fight is over at that point we will refund all of the money not spent in that same proportion. In other words if 50% of the money is not spent, we will give you a choice of being refunded 50% of what you donated or of allowing us to save it for the next FDA fight. It will be your choice. I hope you understand it is your fight.

I have never made a dime from the sales of MMS. I have volunteered my time treating people and answering questions. Now I ask for your help to fight this fight. Please Help, it’s for you and your loved ones. If we get enough money, it is very likely that we will win. Then I will tell you the entire story, and how the playing field has completely changed in the USA as far as nutrition and substances like MMS and even drugs are concerned. We will be on our way to a new US much faster and sooner than was ever thought possible.

I am sure that you know that if I don’t either deliver on this and fail to return your money, my reputation would be gone forever. So this cannot be a scam. It’s got to be the truth.

11. Now let me tell you what we are still doing: We are still doing the Seminars. It is the Minister of Health Training Course. Those who finish this course know how to cure 95% of the diseases of mankind. They receive a Minister of Health Certificate from the Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. (It’s not a religious church, but rather a church formed to cure the diseases of mankind. That is a legitimate function of a church, and our church is completely legitimate).

Those who finish the first week of training can legally put the title of Reverend (Rev) as a prefix to their names. Further activity here at the next week treating the local villagers will earn you a Doctor of MMS Degree and a Certificate stating that. It will be legal for you to use Dr. as a prefix to your name. You can frame your certificates and hang them on the wall. These certificates will eventually be more respected than most certificates of our civilization.

* The cost of Week One is $1000 dollars US. This is the Minister of Health Degree and you become a Rev.

* The cost of Week Two is $500 and it includes the Doctor of MMS Degree. In both cases the money includes room and meals in a dormitory (air conditioned and all that).

If you need financial help, please contact us and we can discuss it. I should also mention that the money charged for these courses all goes towards making us able to give more courses. None of us are saving any money for ourselves.

Note: For more information about the MMS Seminars, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com

12. If you cannot come here we have a video course for $375 that will teach you the same things. Once you have completed our examination successfully and provided us with documentary evidence of your MMS treatments, we will authorize you to teach your own seminars and create Ministers of Health using the same Videos. We will teach you how. You can order the Video Course now. The courses will be ready to be delivered to you in less than a month.

Note: For more information about the MMS Video courses, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com

13. You can become a member of our church, the Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing. This will give you many benefits including protection from forced vaccinations. We will also help you get Governmental papers that guarantee no vaccinations. The cost of Membership is $10 for children under 13 years old, and $20 for all those 13 and older. You will receive an I.D. card and membership certificate.

NOTE: The Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing is working on a 24/7 Help Desk. You will be able to call any time and get your questions answered by one of our friendly and knowledgeable team members.

Note: For more information about joining the Genesis II Church, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com

14. Debunking the FDA: The FDA has decided that they can lie about anything and everything that they want to keep the public in the dark about and keep people from knowing the truth. They talk about using the 28% solution of sodium chlorite in MMS bottles now being sold. Well, here is the truth:

* The bottles do not contain 28% sodium chlorite but rather 22.4%

* You only take 3 drop doses at any one time

* The three drop doses are diluted with ½ glass of water or juice, so in fact it is only a 0.0015% dose

* The three drop dose is about one thousand times less than the FDA claims

For those who don’t understand percentages very well, that is only 0.015 of a one percent dose. Which means about one hundredth of one percent. That’s not very much.

The FDA lies a lot. More than 220, 000 people, perhaps as many as 900,000 (depending on your source) died last year after taking an FDA-approved drug. No one died from MMS. Have you watched the commercials for FDA-approved drugs? After the long list of side effects, they even, in passing, mention: “and sometimes death”. They are telling you on TV that you can die from those drugs. Hopefully you realize that they are not killing. People do die from those drugs. No one has died from MMS world wide. Yet the FDA attacks legitimate legal sellers of MMS attempting to make it illegal because they claim someone has complained.

MMS sells for less than 2 cents a dose and FDA-approved drugs often go for several hundreds of dollars a dose, or even $1000 dollars a dose and more. For example, the leukemia drug Sprycel costs about $8,000 or more (according to your dosage) every month. So something that replaces their fantastic income scares the FDA and Big Pharma a lot.

15. If you don’t have the money, or can’t part with it, we still need your help. And I’ll say it again: America and Mankind still need your help. There are many things you can do that don’t cost money. First and foremost, please send this newsletter out to as many people as you can. Just hit “forward” and add a bunch of addresses of people you know. Include a small message of your own, if possible, at the top. This is serious. Don’t spend a few minutes on it; spend a few days doing this, sending it to everyone you know.

Please also distribute this newsletter to as many other places as you can think of, such as:

* Health organizations

* News organizations

* Churches

* Health food or vitamin stores

* Community groups

* Hospices

* After-school organizations

* Officials in the U.S. government and other governments around the world

Remember all the ways you can distribute it on the internet:

* Post it on blogs and websites

* Link to your postings from other websites

* Link to it or paste it on Facebook, Plaxo, LinkedIn, and all other social networking sites

Print it out and then:

* Nail it to telephone poles

* Pin it on bulletin boards

* Post it in shop windows

* Hand it out to neighbors, telling them you can get them more data if they want it.

Please don’t stop. Keep it up. Do your best to get it out around the world. The health and suffering and even the life and death of many people now depend on you. Keep the thought in mind: “I can make a big difference”, because you can.

Every time you send this newsletter to a new person, you will, in the long run over the next year, have an extremely high chance of saving a life. That is in addition to helping with the fight against the FDA. That is because many of the people who you send this newsletter to will at least now have heard of MMS, and when they or a loved one becomes sick, some of them will check MMS out and find that it does work. So each newsletter you send out has the chance of saving a life, or hundreds of lives, or even thousands. If you ever thought it would be nice to save someones life, well in this case send out 10 of these Newsletters, and the chances are, over the next year, you action will have saved at least one life, if not hundreds.

Tell everyone and anyone the story of the FDA and MMS. Keep in mind: we must win this fight or forever be slaves to the FDA and Big Pharma because they say legally only drugs can treat diseases and finally only drugs will be available to treat diseases. It's not my idea, they have said it plenty of times.

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It could be a wonderful world
As always with love
Jim Humble

P.S. For information about MMS Seminars, video course or Genesis II membership, please contact us at MMSforhispaniola@gmail.com.

brtanner

7th September 2010, 20:15

Ixopoborn

9th September 2010, 19:00

Jim Humble under attack -

Extremely convoluted and largely ad hominem attack on Jim Humble apparently by the team at Signs of the Times (SOTT), outlining how Laura Knight-Jadczyk had to withdraw from the Nexus conference because Jim was placed in the line-up, as Knight-Jadczyk thinks Jim is a "quack" and thought she might be attacked at the conference. Apparently, SOTT are of the opinion that MMS is some kind of hoax.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207643-Down-the-Rabbit-Hole-The-Assassination-of-JFK-Bishop-Jim-Humble-And-The-Nexus-Conference

Thanks brtanner - your post is most welcome. I know you are new to Avalon but your input as a practictioner of MMS is most valuable. Is ther anything you would recommend we should do to help pressure governments to clean up Pharma?

truthman

10th September 2010, 07:10

I heard that Laura Knight-Jadczyk said that she smokes tobacco to protect herself from reptilians.

If that is true, it has to be the stupidest thing said in the history of this planet, and she calls Jim a quack when his discovery is helping hundreds of thousands and had the FDA shaking in their boots.

Smoking tobacco lowers your energy and makes yourself vulnerable to evil entities and not protect you from reptoids.

I tried to see her Camelot interview but within minutes I turned it off. I guess my intuition stopped me from going any further.

brtanner

10th September 2010, 15:45

Thanks brtanner - your post is most welcome. I know you are new to Avalon but your input as a practictioner of MMS is most valuable. Is ther anything you would recommend we should do to help pressure governments to clean up Pharma?
I think the problem we generally face now is that governments ARE Pharma, Big Agriculture, Big Power, Weapons Makers, Repression Technology (meaning also HUGE databases kept by corporations for the gov't.), the Law Society, and perhaps toward the top, Big Finance. If we want government to fulfill its only legitimate role (IMO, after all, who IS "the state?"), that is protecting our innate (unalienable, even if we should want to sign them away) rights, then we (as a people) need to make that explicit, which means educating each other about our sovereignty.

How that happens with a significant portion of us addicted to "consuming" media devoted to propagandizing us and even programing how we see "reality," is, at this point, an open question. I think that this developing attack on MMS and people providing it and information about its use in healing our bodies is happening now because of Jim Humble's bringing religious freedom forward as a protection for our right to make our own choices about our health. Possibly this (spiritual autonomy) will be framed by TPTB as a cynical tactic to promote a scam (as, I think, Knight-Jadczyk is representing it) that is unworthy of such protection. The most important thing now, I think, is to educate ourselves and communities on the benefits and use of MMS as rapidly as possible. If people KNOW that the self-legitimizing "state" is denying them life-saving means while simultaneously promoting questionable and demonstrably lethal products sold for immense profits at the expense of their health, then the possibility of a presently unforeseen shift arises. ;)

I don't think it's exaggerating to suggest that this one unique simple mineral salt is a mortal threat to a vital (to Them, Inc., for profits, "eugenics" and mind control) part of the control matrix. If so, it's another non-optional line to be drawn in defense of the old paradigm.

Bruce

Ixopoborn

10th September 2010, 17:05

I think the problem we generally face now is that governments ARE Pharma, Big Agriculture, Big Power, Weapons Makers, Repression Technology (meaning also HUGE databases kept by corporations for the gov't.), the Law Society, and perhaps toward the top, Big Finance. If we want government to fulfill its only legitimate role (IMO, after all, who IS "the state?"), that is protecting our innate (unalienable, even if we should want to sign them away) rights, then we (as a people) need to make that explicit, which means educating each other about our sovereignty.

How that happens with a significant portion of us addicted to "consuming" media devoted to propagandizing us and even programing how we see "reality," is, at this point, an open question. I think that this developing attack on MMS and people providing it and information about its use in healing our bodies is happening now because of Jim Humble's bringing religious freedom forward as a protection for our right to make our own choices about our health. Possibly this (spiritual autonomy) will be framed by TPTB as a cynical tactic to promote a scam (as, I think, Knight-Jadczyk is representing it) that is unworthy of such protection. The most important thing now, I think, is to educate ourselves and communities on the benefits and use of MMS as rapidly as possible. If people KNOW that the self-legitimizing "state" is denying them life-saving means while simultaneously promoting questionable and demonstrably lethal products sold for immense profits at the expense of their health, then the possibility of a presently unforeseen shift arises. ;)

I don't think it's exaggerating to suggest that this one unique simple mineral salt is a mortal threat to a vital (to Them, Inc., for profits, "eugenics" and mind control) part of the control matrix. If so, it's another non-optional line to be drawn in defense of the old paradigm.

Bruce

Yes I agree.
Remain active in the subject matter.
Keep pressuring for change.
Maintain drive even though there are not yet enough of us to force the hand of government.
Obtain comfort and support through communication with like minded individuals.
Be alert to respond with force should something go dreadfully wrong.

There is an encouraging article from Alfred Webre which I read this morning. Things are slowly slowly shifting in our direction.

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/extraterrestrial-hypothesis-is-now-public-operative-explanation-for-ufos-france-u-k-and-china

Dale

12th September 2010, 15:47

Jim Humble under attack -

Extremely convoluted and largely ad hominem attack on Jim Humble apparently by the team at Signs of the Times (SOTT), outlining how Laura Knight-Jadczyk had to withdraw from the Nexus conference because Jim was placed in the line-up, as Knight-Jadczyk thinks Jim is a "quack" and thought she might be attacked at the conference. Apparently, SOTT are of the opinion that MMS is some kind of hoax.

The folks down at SOTT are of the opinion that everyone, but Laura, is some kind of a hoaxer.

I heard that Laura Knight-Jadczyk said that she smokes tobacco to protect herself from reptilians.

Yup.

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I have heard from many people that MMS cured them of whatever illnesses they had before. From my understanding of MMS, it seems to work for quite a few people. If I were ill with cancer, or some other chronic illness, I'd choose MMS over chemotherapy or pharmaceuticals.

nomadguy

12th September 2010, 17:08

very much agreed Bruce!,
And to add, it is my personal view, that all political structures we see today "in place now", are bought off,
and this happened quite a long time ago ~ perhaps after or near JFKs death.

And so then what we have seen politics recently is the "product" of PTBs clinches on our systems.
~ since this behind the curtain power grab occurred, all of our resource structures have been centralized or moving in that direction.
- Big Pharma, GEO foods, Industrial Mining, Water ~ and so on.

So in relation to MMS, an open question to all...
How much does BigPharma's product base is utilize materials from the industrial mining industry?

Cheers

Here is a sign of the "clinch" being well set in it's place -
photo - http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/922FF748-AC2F-440D-8802-A9C670A592AB/U2061943.jpg

Look who hovers our elected leaders...
effective Puppetry has been in place for awhile now...

"Great info all!"

Carmody

13th September 2010, 17:18

Swimming in chlorinated pools can lead to cancer: study
September 13, 2010
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Swimming in chlorinated pools can cause an increased risk of cancer in bathers, Spanish researchers said on Monday.

Researchers from the Barcelona-based Centre of Research in Environmental Epidemiology (CREAL) and Research Institute Hospital del Mar studied changes in indicators of mutagenicity -- permanent mutation of the DNA -- among a group of swimmers in an indoor chlorinated pool.

"The evidence of genotoxic effects were observed in 49 healthy adults after swimming for 40 minutes in a chlorinated indoor pool," CREAL said in a statement on Monday.

Researchers found indicators of an increase in cancer risk in healthy subjects as well as potential respiratory effects from the cholorine used as a disinfectant, the statement said.

The study was published on Sunday in the US journal Environmental Health Perspectives.

The co-director of CREAL, Manolis Kogevinas, said the findings should not put people off swimming.

"The positive health impacts of swimming can be increased by reducing the levels of these chemicals," he said.

"In no case do we want to stop swimming, but to encourage the reduction of chemicals in swimming pools," said Kogevinas, who suggested the problems caused by a reduction in levels of disinfectant could be offset if swimmers showered before taking a dip, wore bathing caps and refrained from urinating.

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The war against MMS2 is starting to take shape.

Start looking at who these people are and who they are connected to. And exactly what pool shock was used. Ie, most expensive pool shocks are highly toxic mixes of chemicals that have relatively low levels of Calcium Hypochlorite. To prove that to yourself, walk into a real pool supply shop and take a look at the most expensive pool shock ingredient listings.

brtanner

21st September 2010, 19:56

I'm down in the Dominican Republic at the headquarters for the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, taking Jim Humble's Minister of Health training. This week is training in uses of MMS and MMS2 (calcium hypochlorite, which becomes hypochlorous acid, a chemical naturally used by the immune system), and the second week is using MMS in the fild at missions in the Dominican Republic in conjunction with Doctors to treat people with medical problems for free. I'll have much to report in the days to come. I have to borrow a computer to post, as I didn't bring mine because of concerns about getting it back through customs on return to the USofA. Ciao, Bruce

Harley

21st September 2010, 20:05

I'm down in the Dominican Republic at the headquarters for the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, taking Jim Humble's Minister of Health training. [...] I'll have much to report in the days to come. I have to borrow a computer to post, as I didn't bring mine because of concerns about getting it back through customs on return to the USofA. Ciao, Bruce

Hey Bruce,

Really looking forward to your news and updates.

Thanks much for this!

nomadguy

22nd September 2010, 05:09

That is Rockin Bruce ~ Wonderful!

Jonathon

22nd September 2010, 05:30

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for letting us know. Another quick testimonial - I cleared up an infection resulting from a stingray wound on the bottom of my foot in 24 hours with 2x hot water MMS soaks (6 drops) and 3x 4 drop doses staggered through the day. My foot went from swollen, inflamed and sore (difficult to walk on) to near normal (little swelling, normalization of color and significant decrease in soreness while weight bearing) in roughly a day. Unbelievable. Based on the initial symptoms, I would guess it would have taken a few days with normal treatment (cleaning, elevating and resting) to get this effect.

simmonscd

22nd September 2010, 14:44

brtanner

24th September 2010, 01:05

Just to add another voice, in my late 20's I got pneumonia twice (27 and 29) and was well underway to getting it several times since leaving my 20's (twice this year). I have used MMS2 to help fight it and it clears up my respiratory problems in about a week. The doctors couldn't help me but this feels like it has saved my life several times over. MMS1 makes me feel ill but MMS2 is great for me. If it is a placebo then it is a good one because the doctors don't have anything that works with my respiratory system in keeping it working right. If someone isn't convinced they should try it short term and see if it helps. That is what I did and now I am not worried about getting pneumonia again.

Great! MMS2 is a very viable alternative to MMS1 (sodium chlorite solution). Jim actually ran out of MMS1 in Kenya this year during a trial with 800 AIDS sufferers (all but 3 recovered, at least as far as being essentially symptom free and resuming normal lives - the three non-recoveries Jim found to be not following the protocols). It was going to be 2 - 3 weeks before he could get more sodium chlorite, so he got calcium hypochlorite from a pool supply company (pool shock). The people being treated continued their recoveries fine.

We've learned a fantastic amount about how to treat 95% of all pathogenic conditions in the last 4 days. Tomorrow will be the big test, after passing which ;-) we will be "Ministers of MMS" in the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing.

BTW, Jim has been searching patents over the last months and has found patents on 9 other simple compounds that purify the blood without harming its functions. This is huge stuff. I feel so much more excited and confident than when I arrived. More to come...

Fina

26th September 2010, 03:26

Ahkenaten

26th September 2010, 05:39

Just to add another voice, in my late 20's I got pneumonia twice (27 and 29) and was well underway to getting it several times since leaving my 20's (twice this year). I have used MMS2 to help fight it and it clears up my respiratory problems in about a week. The doctors couldn't help me but this feels like it has saved my life several times over. MMS1 makes me feel ill but MMS2 is great for me. If it is a placebo then it is a good one because the doctors don't have anything that works with my respiratory system in keeping it working right. If someone isn't convinced they should try it short term and see if it helps. That is what I did and now I am not worried about getting pneumonia again.

Hello there. It is not normal for a healthy human being to get pneumonia or bronchitis frequently, and this may well be a sign of an underlying disorder and may well indicate undiagnosed asthma. You should check it out. A symptom of asthma many people do not recognize is frequent coughing, and/or sinus infections and post-nasal drip. I am not commenting on the efficacy of MMS in treating pneumonia, however if the underlying reason you have experienced frequent bouts of lung illness is asthma, you must get your asthma under control now to reduce the long-term damage that can be done to delicate lung tissue by failure to properly diagnose and manage asthma.

brtanner

27th September 2010, 00:29

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11404218

On the BBC News teletext today:

"Alert issued on danger supplement"

Food watchdogs have issued an alert after finding that a chemical marketed online as a health supplement was similar to industrial-strength bleach.

'Miracle Mineral Supplement' is 28% sodium chlorite - which becomes bleach when mixed with citric acid.

Even taken as instructed, experts say it can cause severe vomiting and diarrhoea - and mixing it wrongly could lead to respiratory failure.

The Food Standards Agency is seeking to track down any UK-based sellers.

This product is equivalent to industrial-strength bleach”

Food Standards Agency spokesman
The supplement, which claims to have beneficial effects against a wide range of illnesses, ranging from HIV and hepatitis to H1N1 flu, has already been the subject of warnings from the Food and Drug Agency (FDA) in the US.

Now UK consumers are being urged to dispose of the supplement as soon as possible, and help the Food Standards Agency and local authorities find suppliers in this country..."
Yes, this is now happening all over the world. When the FDA issued a similar warning for the US, it contacted other countries, at this point Japan, Britain, Nigeria (they have just banned the substance, which has already been used to cure thousands there of Malaria), and the Dominican Republic, where we are. About 3 weeks ago the Dominican Health Ministry made a visit here to enquire about the possible use of MMS to treat local people at the center, and were informed that, unlike past times where doctors from other countries came here to provide treatments, this is only an educational facility. The investigators were not invited in. There have been at least 2 reports on local TV that we've been told about but we haven't been able to find out what the character and scope of the stories was.

We speculate, because of Jim's presence here (he's on the verge of completing his second book on MMS), and the trainings and the work to implement the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing that's now based here, that possible heavy pressure is being placed on the Dominican Gov't. by the FDA. We have evidence that the FDA has known about the healing powers of chlorine dioxide in the body for at least 6-7 years, and Jim has published a paper on an FDA project several years ago that found no damage to human tissues by chlorine dioxide or its products in the body, so they're in kind of a difficult position. Still, it's beginning to seem that MMS is becoming a 3rd rail issue for the PTB, presumibly because it may threaten Pharma profits bigtime, as well as working against any (non-existent, of course) eugenics programs around the world. Meanwhile, the NGOs wax sanguine in the corporate media about the need to end Malaria ASAP.

On Friday my group of minister trainees had our Big Exam, and I'm pleased to report that the 4th group of students are now officially Ministers of Health in Genesis II. Tomorrow we go out to work with Doctors in helping people with maladies that are treatable with MMS. --Bruce

hyundisonata

4th October 2010, 13:36

Lol lol. Don’t you just love the morons that fall for the pharma b/s? I am a big fan of Jim. and yes sometimes you have to try unorthodox ways so as to survive .I use myself as a guinea pig all the time and when I find something that works I post it for every one to try at their free choice and boy do you get the nasty emails lol. For instance I was told I have Parkinson’s, yip had all the tests, scans ECT. And it is a pain in the butt. So I tried everything to cure myself lol. From drinking detol to swallowing everything and all thing. Then I wised up and found a way to listen to what my body was telling me and found the answer. Now even though I still have Parkinson’s it is now harmless. Frozen in time. Yip simple heavy doses of Zink with copper then two a day after the purge. That’s over ten years now free. All they want is to keep you ill that way they get their pound of flesh, don’t listen to the pharma or their spin doctors. I have had five strokes, one left me totally paralyzed down my full left side. Four major heart attacks, dead in the gutter a few times, and average three mini strokes a month. All this and cancer yet I am as fit as a fiddle totally recovered just by doing not what the doctor ordered lol. Too many accept the total b/s and rot slowly as they want you too. DON’T. Try Jims remedy and try finding your own. Always fight back.

sepia

5th October 2010, 07:46

I have had five strokes, one left me totally paralyzed down my full left side. Four major heart attacks, dead in the gutter a few times, and average three mini strokes a month. All this and cancer yet I am as fit as a fiddle totally recovered just by doing not what the doctor ordered lol.

Sorry for this strange question, but I read your post on Jordan Maxwell: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2392-Jordan-Maxwell-Close-Encounters-and-other-stories/page2

And thought, okay, he is only 23, and doesn't know better. Did you just change your age to 53 to make this severe history of deseases plausable?

I might be completely wrong, and if so, I ask for forgiveness and wish you all the best for your health!

hyundisonata

5th October 2010, 13:39

I haven’t a clue to where you get age 23 from yes I am 53 born 3 Jan 1957. Or the point you make.ok I have illness big deal who cares. I don’t. If it is the fact I may have ridiculed that video, yes guilty. But it was funny lol. Here we have a guy claiming he met his older self via the kitchen sink, his older self is taller than him, now correct me if I am wrong but is it not the case that you loose height as you get older and not grow taller. That’s only one of the points I noticed. And yes I do know better and no I do not live in fantasy land also no offence taken or given deliberately.

sepia

6th October 2010, 08:06

I haven’t a clue to where you get age 23 from yes I am 53 born 3 Jan 1957.

So I apoligize, I must have mistaken something.

Back to the topic:

Try Jims remedy and try finding your own.

Yes, we all have to find out ourselves, what helpes our body - in fact the body itself will tell us, if we understand to listen.

At the moment for me it is the MMS - Bath every morning.

Starting with 15 dropes (activated) in one bathtub. - It's fun to perceive with the inner perception of course, how the oxigen goes through the skin, to the blood, to the lymph, into the brain, even the bones... It's a great experience.

(But not the right thing if you have a fungus!)

And the extra bonus: The oxygen even cleans your bathtub :)

Butangeld

6th October 2010, 13:39

...now correct me if I am wrong but is it not the case that you loose height as you get older and not grow taller. ...
This is true, or so I thought. My partner has grown about 1.5 inches over the last year, and she is 40+, her doctor confirmed this more than once and said it isn't unheard of.

Anyhow, I just got through reading this entire thread! And that included reading through the entire contents of the Sott page attacking anyone not willing to rely solely on the FDA (or their other branches throughout the world) when it comes to their health. I bought some MMS1 online immediately upon hearing the news on the BBC that that 'health experts' were warning that 'consumers' were in danger and that MMS was essentially bleach. The BBC is perhaps the most ludicrous propaganda outfit on the planet today. I started reading what the BBC has to say on any given issue very differently after 9/11; their reporter may as well have been stood there naked in front of WTC building 7 telling us that it had just collapsed. I now always consider who else they may be serving whenever they open their mouths. With MMS it is clearly big pharma.

I haven't used the MMS yet, but will not now hesitate to do so should it be needed. I have not bee ill for about 8 years, except for one nasty stomach bug that was 'doing the rounds', people I knew had the thing for days and weeks, I had it for about 2 hours. I regularly take 1000mg MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane). (I smoke like a trooper too!)

I wasn't sure about MMS over the past week, while I read and read. I was swayed back and forth reading the Sott text and digging through other online documents, but I'd like to list the things that swung it for me.

I left watching Jim Humbles interview with Bill until last, as I didn't want to like the guy before I was armed with some prejudice on the subject first. Now, there was so much more he could have said, such as the fact that there was a double-blind study from 1982 that proved the safety of Chlorine Dioxide - this would have answered the repeated question over at Sott about the need for one. I put little stock in such exotic research but it keeps the people with credentials happy and makes them listen. One has only to research the clinical trials said to prove the safety of Aspartame to realise intellectual bankruptcy of the FDA or even the AIDS story (because there was not even peer reviewed research to back up that one, just the 1984 announcement). The thing Jim said that alerted me to his quest was when he mentioned in the interview that all tests performed to detect HIV are flawed. He didn't need to point that out. This one fact lays bare the fraudulence of the AIDS story. If there is no known test to specifically identify the HIV retrovirus, then it logically follows that one cannot be diagnosed as having it. Whatever ailments are the cause of the visual symptoms of 'AIDS' it is not HIV, since 50% of the time we would all test positive. They put you on AZT, which if you read the FDA approved label will tell you that it gives you the exact same symptoms as AIDS and if you take it long enough it will kill you.

The chemistry of MMS seems quite straight forward. Our bodies and the friendly organisms that live inside of it must have a tolerance to the chemical process of oxidation or we'd all be kind of melting right now. It's not clear cut I feel, you will lose some good bacteria taking this stuff, but it is an acknowledged fact that almost all pathogens are destroyed by the oxidation process made by chlorine dioxide.

The 2 most powerful thoughts that helped make-up my mind were these. Whenever something genuinely unsafe is discovered and the PTB are compelled (outside of their normal agendas) to react they do so in a less competent more dis-organised manner, as you would expect when unexpected circumstances arise, such as was the case in the UK in the mid-90s as I recall when the government were caught selling radioactive beef! So when they are just doing their job they are as incompetent as the rest of the civil sector, but when it is the very existence of big pharma at stake, then we see remarkable efficiency. The other point that won me over is this Genesis 2 church Jim has founded. This man is going for gold. We are all on the battlefield when it comes to health and this is Jim's fortress. I wrote some short stories some years ago now about a fictional character called Chad Little, he won a competition and used the money to start his own church. I imagined then as I realise now that if you want to have the strongest legal identity possible then don't just incorporate a company, incorporate a church. I put Jedi as my religion on a census once, a joke of course but it seeded the idea. Seems you can get away with just about anything if it is done in the name of a religion!

One final note, if you're still reading this ;) If you take your own health into your own hands then you have truly forfeited the right to blame someone else if/when things go wrong. And if you think that it was ever any different then check out the latest news regarding vaccine safety and your right to sue the manufacturer of a vaccine that has just destroyed your life - you will not be able to take legal action and blame anyone, so you may as well start blaming yourself right now!

Love to all :)

hyundisonata

6th October 2010, 23:06

This is so true Butangeld. Look at those trying to claim damages for the flu jab in the UK. You get nothing unless the damage incurred is over 80% and even then it is limited .and dare I say this here lol, it’s a sad state of affairs when our whole life is dictated by monetary gain. You’re not a person anymore just a commodity and if they can keep you 30 to 50% ill you are money in the bank for them. And because you have been conditioned all your life via such tactics as fear you fall for their scams. One of their biggest scams that I have been arguing against but fighting a lost cause is co2, mention that gas and everyone goes into defensive mode. Co2 is one of the most if not thee most important gas on this planet but alas you are led to believe different via fear tactics. Not only is it necessary for plant life but also human life, we need it for such as PH regulation , without it we are dead simple as that and that is only a small part it plays in the human body .there are others such as oxygen , without co2 oxygen cannot circulate and supply such as the brain ,liver ect. Without co2 your veins go flat, yip they collapse. Now as co2 is only a very small % of our atmosphere and is constantly being used by all living life from plants to animal. yet you will not find any papers or research stating how much we use daily or annually or whatever because they need this gas kept at a low level ,yip so they can make lots of money keeping you ill. Do a little research .don’t be fooled by fear. Its all one big vicious circle and they work really hard at hiding the trouble they go to to keep you at the right percentage, you have to be able to work or you wouldn’t be able to buy their products .and when your body finally starts to pack up due to their onslaught they still earn from you by getting the taxpayer to finance your illness for a few more years .yip you loose all the time. This is why they are against such as Jim. A cure means bankruptcy for them. God I hate money lol.

arpanet

17th October 2010, 23:22

Snowbird

18th October 2010, 03:42

arpanet

18th October 2010, 18:32

Snowbird

18th October 2010, 22:52

Thanks for the reply Snowbird!

I have previously read mmsanswers and other pages about different protocols, but they sound just like guidelines to me. If I see a person who has healed himself from a sickness I also have, I prefer to use exactly the same method. This is why I got so excited seeing the video of Andreas Kalcker. Healing stories are always very encouraging!

By the way, I just remembered the funny clip of David Icke where he's "showing off" his arthritis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19bd2yTDkTI
Has anyone recommended him using MMS to cure his condition? His arthritis seems very bad :(

You're very welcome!

After writing my post above last night, I watched the AK vid. He states on there that he had bad arthritic pain one day, took a dose of 3-4 drops of MMS (and citric acid) that night and the following morning had no pain and was able to easily move his hands and wrists. The best time for a body to heal is overnight while asleep. He also suggests that it is best to start out with one drop of MMS (and citric acid) and monitor how your body reacts.

Before I began taking MMS, I went onto several of Jim Humble's web sites and purchased his book as well as his DVD. Between these two, I felt confident to start a regiment based upon what I know needs to be healed within. Every person's body is different and reacts differently. You just have to take it slow and feel good about how you are helping your body to heal.

David Icke and Bill Ryan are friends and I am sure that David Icke knows about MMS if he isn't already taking it. DI has had a severe case of arthritis since his late teens. I'm currently reading his latest book.

Best wishes to you!

paul1972

26th October 2010, 16:24

...At the moment for me it is the MMS - Bath every morning.

Starting with 15 dropes (activated) in one bathtub. - It's fun to perceive with the inner perception of course, how the oxigen goes through the skin, to the blood, to the lymph, into the brain, even the bones... It's a great experience.

(But not the right thing if you have a fungus!)

And the extra bonus: The oxygen even cleans your bathtub :)

dear Sepia,

2 questions: why do you say a mms bath isn't good if you have a fungus?

I think you might be right concerning candida, most other fungi IMHO will not survive ( when you also take activated MMS orally as well)

Why do you talk about oxygen, ClO2, Chlorine Dioxide, is the working oxydizer

I also take MMS baths regularly and find it GREAT

Greetings

Paul1972

yiolas

26th October 2010, 21:18

Just watched the YouTube video about Andreas Kalcker and MMS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLEEFLCefnM

It's pretty convincing.

I have arthritis in my hand myself, and I'm ready to try MMS.
However I would really like to know which procedure Mr. Kalcker followed when he cured his arthritis with MMS.
This would really give me more courage and motivation.

Does anyone know the procedure he followed or a way to contact him and ask?

Thank you
Thank you[/QUOTE]
Hi Arpanet, I had arthritis in my hands as well for years. It was a constant pain all day long. Then I found out about MMS and my life changed. The instructions clearly state that you should always start out with only 1 or 2 drops per dose.

[QUOTE]All methods for taking MMS in the Americas starts with one or two drops. Never start with more than one or two drops. People who are very sick and/or sensitive should start with ½ drop (drink only half the glass of a one drop dose)./QUOTE] Please see the link http://jimhumble.biz/biz-normal.htm

I worked up to 5 drops 3 times a day, but I didn't like getting the headaches and sleepy feeling so I switched around to taking 2 drops 3 times a day. It took longer to heal but I avoided having a blast of dead pathogens floating around my bloodstream. Each person is different. So you must apply it by trial and error.

Having arthritis in the hands is very debilitating. I am very thankful that I took the MMS route instead of big Pharma. My mother unfortunately has been taking toxic drugs for her arthritis for more than 20 years now and she is much worse off now than when she first started.

arpanet

28th October 2010, 10:23

Hi Yiolas,

Thanks for your post! Good to hear about a fellow (ex-)arthritis patient!

I started taking MMS this Monday. 1 drop in the morning, 1 in the evening.
Tuesday 2 drops in the morning, 2 in the evening.
Wednesday 3 drops in the morning, 3 drops in the middle and 3 in the evening.
And this morning I just took 4 drops. No nausea so far.

I read that you should take MMS every two hours to keep it rotating in your blood stream all day. I think this is impossible because nobody can digest food in two hours. There will always be food in your stomach which MMS reacts with. Maybe every three hours max is possible, and even then you have to eat easily digestible food and maybe even use some aids to break the food down faster (like enzymes).

I will probably write a very detailed post when my experiment is completed, but some remarks now: After taking just one drop, I could feel that something had changed in my right hand (the one with the worst arthritis). The hand felt like disabled a bit, the movement of my fingers slowed down and in general motor performance of the hand was reduced maybe 15-20%. To put it short, usually if my hand gets cold, it will become slow like this, and now the same thing happened just after one drop of MMS. However there was no pain in the hand. Yet the pain returned later, and it has spread to the elbow too, but it's occasional.

Yiolas, I would be very interested to hear more about your protocol. How long did you take MMS? And when did you feel the arthritis was gone and when did you stop taking MMS? Also is your arthritis now completely healed?
I tried to search the forum about your posts, but didn't find any information about your protocol. Sorry if I missed it somewhere.

Hope your mother will get better... has she already tried MMS?

Rozzy

28th October 2010, 23:31

I started the small dose thing and worked up, now once a week to ten days a ten drop dose, zero side effects of any kind, not so much as a sniffle, nothing, just feel great.

I have introduced many others to MMS and have had some pretty big smiles back from them.

One thing it can do is dehydrate you so make sure you stay hydrated.

sepia

29th October 2010, 19:46

dear Sepia,

2 questions: why do you say a mms bath isn't good if you have a fungus?

I think you might be right concerning candida, most other fungi IMHO will not survive ( when you also take activated MMS orally as well)

Dear paul1972

I mentioned this because I heard Jim Humble talking about fungus on a Video. But I couldn't find this sequence again.

He said that one should be careful with MMS in case of fungus, because some kind of fungus could become worse.

And, for instance, if no improvement of a skin fungus could be seen after the first bath, one should stop immediately.

And I have seen people with skin fungus (like Ringworm) who had negative results. It DID get worse.

Why do you talk about oxygen, ClO2, Chlorine Dioxide, is the working oxydizer

I don't have a background in chemistry, but if someone uses a well illustrated language, the information sticks in my head. :)

I heard Jim Humble saying: The active Oxygen goes to the right place and explodes the anaerobic cells.

However, we just enjoy, that it does its job, right?

Best wishes, Sepia

Loren

29th October 2010, 23:12

Such a positive interview on a serious topic and a nice chuckle at the end. Thanks for that Mr. Ryan

arpanet

1st November 2010, 15:26

Current situation: after one week of using MMS, I have no positive results to report. My arthritis is as it was before and other chronic inflammations are also the same.

I take MMS now four times a day.
My current dosage is 8 drops. This makes 32 drops per one day.
Should I still keep raising the amount of drops? I think the old protocol said two times 15 drops per day, morning and night. So that's 30 per day. I'm now in 32 drops per day. Should I take more? Or try large single dosages?

One thing... like Rozzy noted a few posts above. Drinking enough water is crucial... If the hypothesis of MMS detoxifying your body is true, then adequate water intake is a key. Otherwise the waste can't get out of your system. This should be added to the MMS fundamentals page: http://jimhumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm There's already a section about proper nutrition, but no mention of adequate water intake.
I'm 150 lbs and I try to drink at least 6-7 lbs of water per day. (I usually drink spring water, because I feel it's absorbed better than regular tap water.)

THIRDEYE

1st November 2010, 15:40

hello bill cant wait for the update...love light and abundance thirdeye.....

The One

1st November 2010, 16:15

FDA Warns Consumers of Serious Harm from Drinking Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to take Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid also known as “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS.” The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health.

The FDA has received several reports of health injuries from consumers using this product, including severe nausea, vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure from dehydration.

Consumers who have MMS should stop using it immediately and throw it away.

MMS is distributed on Internet sites and online auctions by multiple independent distributors. Although the products share the MMS name, the look of the labeling may vary.

The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration.

MMS claims to treat multiple unrelated diseases, including HIV, hepatitis, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and other conditions. The FDA is not aware of any research that MMS is effective in treating any of these conditions. MMS also poses a significant health risk to consumers who may choose to use this product for self-treatment instead of seeking FDA-approved treatments for these conditions.

The FDA continues to investigate and may pursue civil or criminal enforcement actions as appropriate to protect the public from this potentially dangerous product.

The FDA advises consumers who have experienced any negative side effects from MMS to consult a health care professional as soon as possible and to discard the product. Consumers and health care professionals should report adverse events to the FDA’s MedWatch program at 800-FDA-1088 or online at www.fda.gov/medwatch/report.htm.

Another government cover-up. I have come to believe anything good in the world that helps human kind gets discredited by the powers that be

Carrera

1st November 2010, 18:56

Hi!

I haven't read all posts in this thread, but I wonder if anyone has experience using MMS for ME/CFS or Fibromyalgia, or know if this can be used for that? And if so, how much should be used, and for how long ?
Thanks!

hyundisonata

1st November 2010, 22:54

MMS best thing since sliced bread. My wife no longer uses inhalers. She needed two types several times a day for emphacema. MMS CURED HER. Yip not a case of treating symptoms but actually cured her. My cat is now full of health after the vet sent her home to die. Again MMS CURED her. It is totally amazing .this is only a small sample that it has proven towards good health for all my family and pets.

paul1972

1st November 2010, 23:27

Dear paul1972

I mentioned this because I heard Jim Humble talking about fungus on a Video. But I couldn't find this sequence again.

He said that one should be careful with MMS in case of fungus, because some kind of fungus could become worse.

And, for instance, if no improvement of a skin fungus could be seen after the first bath, one should stop immediately.

And I have seen people with skin fungus (like Ringworm) who had negative results. It DID get worse.

Apparently MMS1 doesn't clear all fungi, but most of them will give up after using MMS for a while... most fungi are hard too kill and you'll need to take mms for at least a few months in my experience...healed myself from a severe case of athlete's foot .

No hard feelings, MMS is a brilliant Medicine -- if taken according to Jim's protocols
and drink a LOT of water during the proces!

Love

Paul1972

Firinn

2nd November 2010, 00:10

...healed myself from a severe case of athlete's foot .

Yip, me too. About a year ago I took a dose twice daily for 2 weeks, increasing one drop per day to fifteen drops. The 3rd week, 15 drop doses twice each day. I recall the original protocol suggested going to 3 times 15 drop doses each day for the 3rd week but I didn't feel it was necessary. That's about a year now and it hasn't returned... it used to return within a couple of months when using the "pharma" approach.

Funny thing is though, I've now learned that smaller doses, more often, is the way to go. I can attest to this, as my partner and I recently saw off a bout of flu with pleurisy within a week by taking 4 drop doses as close to 3 hour intervals as was possible and YES!... pleanty of water.. We caught it at a friend’s wedding and we know of at least 6 other who were infected there and are still ill almost 3 weeks later. Now we are on our feet, we'll be paying them a visit with MMS in hand
;)

Much Love
Firinn

Czarek

2nd November 2010, 00:51

It is very interesting to note that with the current cold/flu that's going around near my area, MMS1 works like a charm in stopping the typical symptoms of this flu's first season wave in my area. i.e. pneumonia like. I'm speaking from first hand experience. Despite my quest for optimum health, eating very healthy for over 2 years, this is the first time I got the cold.
I didn' get the fever but I was unable to stop coughing throughout the day and night, as the urge was there all the time to clear the mucus out of the lungs.
I've taken MMS1 about a month before to try it out. I got upto 5 drops 3 times per day and did not experience any vomiting nor diarhea. I didn't feel the need to push the dose more.
To make the story short, I took it at bed time (4 drops) and within 30 min, I did not cough any more! The next morning, not much of yellow/green stuff came out of my nose either!
HTH

hyundisonata

2nd November 2010, 11:55

MMS is fantastic but don’t just rely on it. Use vitamin d3 and vitamin c. be sure to give at least two hours from taking MMS before taking the vitamins especially vitamin c. this way you are totally protected against viruses. As for fungal infections use zinc powder for the feet and acidophilus for such as thrush and cystitis and you will be free of such illness.

Alan

5th November 2010, 12:18

Here is a VERY interesting update from Jim's MMS newsletter:

Jim Humble MMS Newsletter

Another Miracle, Autistic children healed. I thought you would like this report. And further down there is another important report that might surprise you.

FROM MEXICO -“It has been 70 days since beginning MMS for autism in my group. Officially I have 55 people taking MMS and the stories of the children improving blow me away. Every day or every other day I get an email with a non-verbal child talking and or doing some amazing thing that he/she had never done. Thank you for MMS and thank you for supporting me in my mission to recover children with autism. I feel that MMS is going to prove to be a huge piece of the autism puzzle for recovery. I hope to present a recovered child with autism with MMS in the largest conference on autism in the world in Puerto Rico in March. Wish me luck!”

Thank you all very much.

If you wish to contact this lady in Mexico I can put you in contact with her. She will be willing to talk to you personally if you need to talk for some good reason.

A Dream:

For many years during my early life I had a dream. It was a dream of the distant past, of millions of years ago. At first, of course I believed it was just a dream. But then it also seemed to ring true at times. As time passed I begin to believe that it must be more than a dream. As I began to learn about this planet and the many terrible things going on here I soon begin to believe that my dream had to be more than a dream and I was going to have to do something about it.

One interesting thing was that on a few occasions over the years a few people told me about a similar dream that they had with the same story. Of course, that enforced the idea that maybe it was more than just a dream. I became an inventor with the idea of inventing something that would help change the conditions here on earth. I invented a new method of making electronic circuits, but that didn't seem like it would help change things. My friend and I invented a technique of causing atomic radiation to drop to zero, something that is supposed to be impossible. But billions were already invested in storing the radiating materials in the ground and no one was interested in such inventions. I invented a new helicopter, a method of purifying water electronically, and a number of minor inventions that I sold in my mining store. Finally I discovered MMS in the jungle in South America and I knew that was it. There was no doubt in my mind that MMS would change this planet.

Then things began to get even more amazing. More than 5 million people have used MMS. Now there is no way that MMS would have gotten spread around the planet being sold in most of Europe, South America, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Countries of Africa and China if it didn't work. There are plenty of people who would like to spread their products around that much, but can't. If a product that didn't work could spread like that there would be nothing but rich people as everybody would be selling products that didn't work worldwide.

Finally after going to Africa and working in a number of countries there healing people I wound up here in the Dominican Republic conducting a training course for MMS. Our MMS training course lasts 5 days of training and 3 days of practical experience with a total of 8 days of training over two weeks. Graduates receive certificates for Minister of Health, Graduation Certificates, and Certificates of Authorization to start a Chapter of our Church. I realized we would need some kind of protection for our Ministers and thus I started a Church. But there was more to the Church than that. People also needed to be protected from vaccinations and other oppression from the government.

So far we have trained 114 Ministers of Health. They came from 40 different countries of the world from 14 to 36 people per training class. They are well trained as I have developed a method of intense training that teaches everyone everything at least 3 different times and some things 5 times. Because the teaching process includes DVD's that teaches all the details, and because we discuss in class all the details that are on the DVD's, and because each student can do that exact same thing. Each student leaves her with the ability to teach a class exactly the same way I teach it here. The students leave here as the most unusual people to ever walk this planet. They can, and have already proved that they can, cure most of the diseases of mankind. No one has ever been able to do that before. Well, they don't cure people; actually they give the sick person MMS that kills the pathogens, and then the body cures the person. Only the body cures the body. Our Ministers know that and that is what they bring about, a body free of diseases pathogens, heavy metals and other dangerous poisons.

Now, I want to tell you the most amazing part: More than 1/2 of all the students that have arrived here have told me, "I believe in MMS, but there is some other reason why I came. I just had to come. Something made me come." OK, so let me tell you a little more about the dream. A large group of us, well small group in relation to the number of people on this planet, lived on another planet, in another galaxy. We were assembled together at that time in the past. And without getting into a lot of details we agreed to finally assemble on Earth in the beginning of the 3rd Millennium for the purpose of creating peace on Earth and in the Galaxy. The dream included the fact that we were losing our powers and that they would all be lost by the time we finally arrived on Earth or by the beginning of the 3rd Millennium. But that was part of the “big plan”. The Gods on Mount Olympus were the last to lose their powers.

And another Amazing part. These students, are both young and old from around the world, and although they mostly haven't remembered the dream like some others have, more than 90% of them have said that they believe in the dream and they know it is our job to help bring peace to Earth and that we will be a great part of the peace movement. Part of the dream is as our emblem says, "A world without disease." They have all said that they want to help and be a part of the Ministers of Health of the Genesis 2 church of Health and healing.

Remember, this church was formed for the purpose of "doing good deeds," "healing all people", and “always doing what is right." That is our stated purpose, and those who want to go further into the worship of a Deity should also join a second church for that purpose if they feel the need and it is OK if they already have. So if you feel like coming, here, for training, it is important for you to come to learn to help heal people of Earth, and you will then be a part of the peace movement for earth. We heal people for free and hope for donations, but the donations are not a condition for healing. Healing is free, but we expect donations as any other church does.

Many of our Ministers of Health have left here going out to heal people free of charge and they also expect a donation when the sick person is well. But the sick person who is now well is not required to make a donation. Other Ministers have already begun to start churches. They will be doing the same thing. Healing people and accepting donations.

That is also true here in the Dominican Republic. You can come for healing. We don't charge. You can stay here for $25 a day or go to the next cheapest hotel at $60 a day. Meals here are also $25 a day. Possibly later on, the room and board will be free as well, but things are a little too tight for that now. Also keep in mind that we never give up on a person. When the medical people give up that is often where we start and we are often successful. Come for healing or bring your loved ones for healing. We ask no fees until you are feeling much better or you are well and then only if you want to donate.

So if you feel you should come for MMS training, you really should come. You are a part of us and you probably know that already. We will be the leaders in the program to bring peace and a new world without disease. We need not only your help, but more than anything, we need your agreement. Come and give us your agreement. The cost is $1000 for the first week of training, protocols and theory. The second week of practical experience as mentioned above is $500. If you want to come and you have financial problems, let us know how much you can afford. Chances are high we can handle that if enough other full price students are coming, and so far there always have been. We want as many as possible to experience the seminars and to learn the updated protocols.

Note: Our next seminar is: Nov.29th-Dec.8th, ( Dominican Republic) Be there!!

Let me also mention that students that finish our course of Intensive training of one week receive a Certificate of Minister of Health, Certificate of Authorization to open a Church Chapter, A Certificate of Completion and a Certificate you can use to announce your presence in the Neighborhood in the local newspaper.

The Certificate of Reverend Doctor is issue to those persons who have successfully administered the Church Sacrament along with the Cleansing water to overcome the sickness of at least 50 persons. So let me once again invite you to the Dominican Republic to become a Minister of Health and a Reverend Doctor of MMS.

Special Announcement: Can you help?

· We have an opportunity to be on an internet T.V. Station weekly as well as a “live” weekly Skype conference call with Jim. We need donations to help with the purchase of a Satellite dish to handle the upload and download speeds. Can anyone help? We need $6,000 to purchase the equipment, transport and installation.

· We need to purchase a newer vehicle. Our 1997 Chevy Suburban can’t handle the areas we go to treat and teach people. We’d like to purchase a late model Toyota 4X4 Jeep. Price $20-25,000 used.

· For information about donating contact: gmark777@gmail.com

Good Deeds,

Bishop Jim Humble

Genesis II Church of Health and Healing

For more info., please contact us at the following e-mails:

1. MMS Seminars: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com

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4. MMS newsletter signup: jimhumble.biz

5. MMS Info. and inquiries: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com

6. Genesis II Church Homepage: Genesis2church.org

7. Genesis II Church blog: Genesis2church.com

8. Donations, contact: gmark777@gmail.com

P.S. Our websites should be all updated within the next few weeks!!! Visit Jimhumble.biz for updated protocols.

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MMS SAVES LIVES!!!!

shybastid

6th November 2010, 15:30

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/europe/Eliminating-malaria-impossible-without-vaccine/Article1-619421.aspx

So.. Vaccine verses MMS? With all Gates money and intellect,why would he ignore possible clinical trials if it saves lives? I really am confused.

I take MMS 4 dops 3 times a day when I get a kidney ailment.. Works like a charm after 2 days everytime. I know I should do the whole protocol,can't get past 6 drops EVER!. Blah! So THATS why it keeps coming back? I won't get sick on it again.. I'll take 5 drops for more days I guess. 6drops? BLAH! Heh

Carmody

8th November 2010, 02:16

unsweetened, non sugared, no vitamin C added ...cranberry juice. I find that is the best method of getting the high does to go down.... and stay down.

arpanet

8th November 2010, 22:59

Jim Humble has posted a new protocol for taking MMS:
http://www.jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=61
To put it short:

...basically taking 3 drops of activated MMS each hour, for 8 hours a day, for 3 weeks.

I think taking MMS every hour will not work very well, unless you also stop eating completely. When you eat, MMS will just react with the food in your stomach. It takes at least 2 hours for food to get digested (usually much longer).

I will still probably try the new protocol. Currently I have been taking MMS for two weeks. In the last week I took 8 drops four times a day (=total 32 drops per day).
No positive results to report.

witchy1

9th November 2010, 11:28

I got a message from my supplier in NZ. He has been interviewed on "Close Up" a current affairs programme that airs everynight and is due on the telly this week. I have tried access the programme but TVNZ flashes up that the video is unavailable outside of NZ due to international agreements. Any idea how we could get a look. I have asked Roger to send it thru if he copies it and will post it. His email as follows:

"For those of you who are interested, due to the recent article in the NZ Herald about MMS, I have been interviewed regarding MMS by TV1, and it will appear on Closeup either Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday this week. It is not their goal to make MMS (or myself) look good; but it will still be interesting to see how it is portrayed.

We have also received another threatening letter from Medsafe, against our efforts to make MMS available to the public through our website. So far (due to MMS being a proven pathogen killer for 'water systems', and because it is not principally supplied as a therapeutic product), it appears they don't really have grounds to prevent people who choose to try it from doing so."

Here is the link to the Herald article. Interestingly when asked if they have carried out their own tests to prove it is dangerous as they are stating - there has been no response (Well not exactly interesting - but predictable)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10680655

Bill Ryan

9th November 2010, 11:42

I have tried to access the programme but TVNZ flashes up that the video is unavailable outside of NZ due to international agreements. Any idea how we could get a look?

Let us know the URL... I have some workarounds that might do the job. If so, I'll be glad to convert it and post it.

witchy1

9th November 2010, 12:19

righteo, just checked with the clan in NZ and it wasnt on tonight - so must be tomorrow (Wednesday). Will let you know...... still waters run deep Mr Bill :wink:

perfectresonance

9th November 2010, 23:16

I'm in NZ and my NZ-ordered MMS is sitting in front of me on my desk. But it doesn't agree with me. My family and I have a colloidal silver kit instead and that seems to be working a treat. That reminds me - time to make another batch :cool:

Anchor

10th November 2010, 00:35

But it doesn't agree with me

Please elaborate...

Most of the time this means you get the ****s. If that happens it is often an indicator you are pushing the process too hard.

That said, it is always best to go with your intuition. If it is not for you, its not for you :)

witchy1

10th November 2010, 12:17

Oh dear - the video from NZ. :frusty:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/medical-fraternity-slams-miracle-in-bottle-3888167/video

arpanet

10th November 2010, 15:18

Thanks for posting the video... just watched it.

I think MMS resellers should prepare themselves better for arguments against MMS.
For the skeptics it's just not enough if you say you cured your flu and you know other people who were cured of something else. It's really important to know the chemistry behind MMS, and explain how it works.

If a skeptic tells you that it's a dangerous bleach, which will destroy your stomach linen, how will you reply? (Mocking them as big pharma agents is so useless.)

Zillah

10th November 2010, 21:35

I think MMS resellers should prepare themselves better for arguments against MMS.
For the skeptics it's just not enough if you say you cured your flu and you know other people who were cured of something else. It's really important to know the chemistry behind MMS, and explain how it works.

I strongly 2nd this point as well. I have been a MMS user for 3+ years and it has undoubtedly assisted my healing process as a sufferer of Interstitial cystitis (which I struggled with for 9 long years). I'm a firm believer of MMS and Jim Humble as yet another successful anonymous testimonial.

I noticed Adam Abraham was referenced in a past MMS discussion (and possibly in this thread, but it IS 23 pages so pardon me if I repeat something), and I want to shed some light on him again because he brings forth much eloquent and extensive information re: MMS - and I feel along side Jim's literature, his efforts would provide massive insight to support the miracle this solution really is.

I found Adam's site shortly after MMS started receiving FDA hype - and altho I wasn't surprised by this event, it remains equally upsetting to experience our rights to our very own health being taken away one dose at a time. It hurts that much more when you realize our free-will depends on the decision by those who do not care about our well-being, period.

Please visit his site here: http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/

Look thoroughly, as there are many wonderful articles that include case studies and interviews with MMS users and with Jim himself.

Blessings to you and yours health.

sygh

11th November 2010, 01:54

Bill,
Just a heads up on the aluka at the youtube site you point to. In the comments dated 6 months ago, I found this: Paul Pantone is a Scam Artist. Soon he will be tarred and feathered by his angry student-investors. I have followed the GEET plans and built it. If you think Paul is for real then he is making you look stupid. Paul William Pantone: Social Security Number: 569-74-6239
Date of Birth: 4 August 1950

Of course, it's the SS number and personal info that worries me for Paul Pantone. I don't know of Paul Pantone myself, so if this is real information, it needs to be removed. :eek:

Aside from that, once again, this is wonderful infromation you are sharing. I most certainly appreciate it. Thank you.

sygh

11th November 2010, 02:37

Does anyone know if MMS and the addition of MMS2 (hypercloris acid sp.) can cure lupus? I was wondering if sufferers of Lupus also lack hypercloris acid. Does anyone here know of someone with Lupus who has been cured by MMS or MMS + MMS2?

Banshee

11th November 2010, 03:12

kevlor

11th November 2010, 03:43

banshee, i have been useing MMS for over three years. a simple answer to your question is YES.

the hardest hurdle you have to jump is, believing such a simple answer and cheap product, could possibly help. it does.

i just buried a nephew who died of bowel cancer, i tried hard to get him to try out MMS about 9 months ago, without success.

i wish you all the best with your efforts to help. the internet is full of information on this product and if you go to the trouble you will be able to read up on it. my thoughts and hopes are with you and relatives ... kev

Jonathon

11th November 2010, 03:45

I can attest that in my experience it absolutely works. I have used it successfully in enough cases to remove all skepticism. I have taken out various illnesses (cold, flu, stomach flu) and an infected wound in remarkable time - less than 24 hours. Also provides a tremendous detox over time. The trick seems to be threshold, which will vary by person and by condition. As hard as it is to take in moderate doses and as bad as it can feel initially (in some cases REALLY not fun), it really does work.

If it didn't work, I sure as heck wouldn't take it... the taste is too awful to placebo myself.

Rozzy

11th November 2010, 07:02

witchy1

11th November 2010, 07:35

kevlor

i just buried a nephew who died of bowel cancer, i tried hard to get him to try out MMS about 9 months ago, without success.

i wish you all the best with your efforts to help. the internet is full of information on this product and if you go to the trouble you will be able to read up on it. my thoughts and hopes are with you and relatives

Dear Kevlor, I was deeply saddended to hear of your loss. There are few life experiences more seemingly soul destroying than having to watch, powerless as someone close to you dies.

I hope that you and your family are coming out of the void and have the strength and faith to get to the point were you can celebrate his life and be honoured to have been a part of his.

I wish you and those close to you my deepest condolences.

Witchy:hug:

Scott

11th November 2010, 09:26

Today I took an eight drop dose but covered the top of the glass for the three minute activation period, this is supposed to increase the strength. For the first time I felt a bit nauseous for about an hour after so I am guessing it indeed increased the potency. I had a cold coming on and tonight there is no sign of it whatsoever.

Covering the glass top does increase the potency, that or it just makes it taste stronger.
I did it several times but just couldn't get over the taste of it made in that fashion.
Gotta love MMS, simple solution to many problems :)

Bill Ryan

11th November 2010, 12:11

Hi Everyone!

Just a quick question - do you honestly believe that MMS really works? My sister's mother in law is in Stage 4 breast cancer that has metastisised to her brain- close to hospice stage. I would love to think that this is the answer, but I am truly concerned. It appears that his is a chlorine derivative? I need some unadulterated opinions here..please and thank you!

I've heard nothing but positive reports (people often send testimonials to me personally), and I've witnessed at first hand something that could only be called a miracle. I've read reports of many other 'miracles', as well.

I'm not a doctor, but as far as I can see all the evidence seems to suggest that it often really works, and sometimes works dramatically.

Here's an MMS User's Guide that was written by a European producer of MMS who was ordered to shut down his operation:

http://projectavalon.net/MMS_Users_Guide.pdf

Many people have found it very valuable. The cancer protocols are described.

http://projectavalon.net/MMS_Users_Guide.pdf

arpanet

11th November 2010, 16:05

Jim Jumble has updated the protocols. On his front page there's a link to:
http://www.jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=61

But I believe this is just an update to the general protocol.

The cancer protocol is more "heavy".

If I would have cancer or other disease with a high risk of dying soon, I would give MMS a go.
I have just chronic inflammations and arthritis. I'm now on my third week of MMS taking 8 drops 4-5 times per day. No positive results to report.

witchy1

12th November 2010, 09:18

Arthritis
Hi all, cant find the post, but someone was saying that they were having no relief from MMS for arthritis. I was reading Jims book last night - and found the answer - my scanners knackered so will type it out:

"There are some things you should know about arthritis if you have this problem. First, it doesnt matter how bad it is, your body will heal it, but you have to follow the correct procedure. In order to follow the correct procedure, you need to know what kind of arthritis you have, as MMS will help with rheumatoid arthritis, Lyme arthritis and some others, but not with normal arthritis.

Normal arthritis is casued by muscles in an area pulling in the wrong direction. The wrong muscles try to take over to move the body in that area. When all of these muscles begin to pull against one another, they create pain and tension in the area and begin to destroy the joint. However you can get it to work again. The book, "Pain Free", by Pete Egoscue tells how to get the correct muscles working again. The body then heals the joint, no matter how badly the bones are currently scraping against one another. It just requires some unusual exercies to get the correct muscles to function properly again. In most cases, even in severe cases, the pain is gone in a week. So buy the book at any large book store. The paperbacdk was $15 last time I looked. Most other forms of arthritis can be handled with MMS. Just use the standard protocol detailed later in this chapter" (pp 147 - 148)

Trust this assists
W

arpanet

12th November 2010, 12:44

Thanks,

I've read that part too.
It is possible that my arthritis in my right hand wrist started as muscular imbalance, but it gradually turned in to a general chronic inflammation. I have also chronic inflammation elsewhere in my body (not joints) and they "inflammate" together with my wrist.

Jim Humble mentions somewhere else the hypothesis that arthritis creates a favorable area for pathogens to reside. And MMS supposedly could destroy those pathogens. This is what I have been counting on. But so far no help.

Czarek

13th November 2010, 01:37

that's very interesting as the only side effect I got from taking MMS1 so far was pain/discomfort in areas of previous injuries. These are the areas (joints) that do give me some aches and pains just before the rain i.e. your typical arthritic symptom.

arpanet

13th November 2010, 10:53

Hi Czarek,
That's definitely interesting... I have previous injuries in my left hip (joint), the right wrist (joint) and in one of the many shoulder muscles on the back side. Also had a general tissue (non-joint, non-muscle) infection (testicle) years ago which was treated with antibiotics, but came back. Also have had pain in certain area of my head for a very long time (however this is very rare, but the location is always the same)

Anyway, to put is short. All these previous injuries or infections have never been completely healed. This is my main motivation to take MMS.

I can feel inflammation growing in all of these areas very easily if I don't sleep enough, if I don't eat well, if I spend too much time in cold places without proper clothing, if I use my right hand too much or if my immune system is working overtime (e.g. killing a flu).

The worst of these are my hand and the testicle. They almost always inflame at the same time. I wish MMS could help.

witchy1

18th November 2010, 06:22

Jims newsletter today via email

Jim HumbleMMSNewsletter

The Attempt to Destroy Mankind
For years now we've heard dozens if not hundreds of warnings of conspiracies about those who seek to kill large amounts of mankind and some even warn of those who seek to wipe out mankind entirely. If you have read a few of these and the evidence that lies there it is hard to say that something along those lines does not exist. There has been a conspiracy against mankind for thousands of years.This message needs to be told whether you are religious or not you need make the difference!!! According to my recent letters, many of you now know of a reoccourring dream I've had throughout my life that many thousands of us came here from the distant past. We agreed to come at the beginning of the third millennium to bring peace on earth by healing the world. And amazing as it might seem, the fact is, that many of you have agreed that is true. Many of our Ministers of Health told us when they arrived, that although they believed in MMS that they came for a different reason, they came because they felt compelled to come; and knew that they must come, because they knew that they had a mission to fulfill here on Earth beginning NOW!
· The Mission of the Genesis II Church is to create a disease free world.
Already, we have started healing the sick and we are going about making it a better place right now! We need you to come help us. I hesitate to bring you this message as it really isn’t a popular message. Most of earth is looking for someone else to come and save them physically. Most are looking for a savoiur, advanced beings from outer space or some other deliverence, without taking personal responsibilty for the future of mankind. Another popular belief is that we are about to evolve into a higher realm of being where we all just gain the next level of awareness and Earth becomes a wonderful place all by itself. Still another popular concept is that we will all get together and believe ourselves into a higher level of conscienious. All we have to do is believe. For all of those who believe these things, how I wish that we could just stand back and let our salvation come to us, but that won’t happen. We are going to have to create that physical health, and those of us who are already here are going to have to make it happen. And guess what?
· You can be part of creating a “disease-free”world by getting involved!
The Ministers of Health became Ministers when they completed a intense training on MMS and in addition to that each was given an Authorization Certificate to open a chapter of the Genesis II Church. Some of our Ministers have already opened churches and more are signing up now to complete the training and even several have completed healing enough people using MMS to have now earned the Certificate of Doctor of MMS and the right to use the prefix to their name of Reverend Doctor, or Rev. Dr. Would you not agree that a Minister who has healed more than 50 persons of many diseases, including diseases that previously has been considered incurable, has the right to be called Rev. Dr.? They have documented and presented their evidence with backup from those healed. Our Ministers represent 40 countries from around the world. Not 100% of our ministers are religious, but we are spiritual. The Genesis II Church is a Physical Church whose mission is to bring physical healing to the earth and warn the world's population of the dangers of medicines and vaccines to their health and well-being as well as protecting the rights of each member to control their own healthcare. Each member must seek his or her own spiritual instruction at the Church of their choose.
· It is time that we as humans accept our responsibility and do something!
Religions of the past have been used to suppress and control the people. They have been used to keep mankind subservient to a religion or idealogy and thus, of course, subservient to the religious leaders who are in control of the religion and who are supposed to be in direct contact with God and thus know exactly what God wants. We know that the religions of the past had to use the enforcement of belief and faith.Thus the religions have used belief and faith to bring about the control that they needed to extract money and obedience from their flock and to prevent those of the flock from demanding freedom of worship and freedom of living. I only mention this because someone is at it once again. They have dressed it up in fancy modern scientific language such as Genetics, nanotechnology, reality matrix, Quantum mechanics, conscious observation materializes particles into existence, and guess what, once again you must believe.Yep they dressed it up a little bit by calling it a massive pulse of belief, but it’s still there, belief. And they also got faith mixed in there and it’s not just one group, is a number of groups over the past few years.
· Remember – The Genesis II Church is on a mission to cure the world of sickness not spiritual confusion!!
The point here is that all these ideas of us becoming more wonderful and living together in peace are really all the same old idea, just dressed up in modern scientific terms. And that old idea is, someone or something else is coming to save us. AND THUS WE REALLY DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BUT WAIT AND BELIEVE. It’s the same old, same old, story. Somebody else or something else made Earth and this universe and they have a plan for earth, and that plan is, of course, in full force and we are only responsible for acting on that plan that they have already created.The contention in the past has been that there is a book that gives this plan in writing and all we have to do is follow that writing.The problem with that has been that down through the ages there has always been more than one book, really even more than two books.In actuality, in India over the past tens of thousands of years there have been as many as a hundred thousand such books, all with pretty much the same idea. And that is, we are not responsible BUT SOMEONE ELSE MADE IT ALL AND SOMONE ELSE CREATED THE PLAN for us to follow so we don't have to do anything. It is on autopilot!!!
· No religion or ideology will change the world, but only truth and doing what is right!
Just recently another new group , or relatively new group is advertising on the internet one more time, let’s all get together and believe together that we are all going into a wonderful new age. Basically,the message is, let’s all believe ourselves in a great new age. Basically it’s the same story, the same story as the New Agers, the same story of the Bible, of the Koran and other books.First if you don’t believe they make you guilty, and then they hand you the same old believe story dressed up with modern stuff.THEIR IDEA IS NOW AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN, “IF WE CAN GET YOU TO BELIEVE WE DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU DOING THINGS AS BELIEVERS KNOW IT IS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE GOOD AND THUS THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING”.The whole idea has always been down through the ages to keep mankind believing that things are soon going to be wonderful and then they will not have to worry about mankind doing anything to bring about the freedom of health on this planet.They won’t have to worry about any kind of uprising as mankind will know that they are not responsible for the condition found here and that all he has to do is wait for better times. It is always someone else or something else and thus mankind does not have to be responsible. And of course, as long as mankind thinks he is not responsible he will think he is free. It will never occur to him that he is really a slave.
Can you see? Mankind is on the brink of setting back and believing away once more and doing nothing to change his condition once more.SO LET ME INVITE YOU TO JOIN US IN DOING SOMETHING.BECOME A MINISTER OF THE GENESIS II CHURCH OF HEALTH AND HEALING.OPEN A CHURCH IN YOUR LIVING ROOM OR GARAGE AND HELP US HEAL ALL THE SICK PEOPLE OF EARTH AND AT THE SAME TIME HELP US BEGIN TO BRING THE EVIL PEOPLE OF EARTH UNDR CONTROL USING THE LAW OF THE LAND (THE COMMON LAW) THAT WAS DEVELPED FOR THIS PURPOSE.
· By “salvation” we mean, “A disease free world and doing what is right always”.
I am sure you got my message, but let me make it totally plain.We must physically save mankind! We are responsible for earth. The entire human race is responsible for the entire human race. We must save mankind.Not even love will save mankind.I know it is a popular wonderful thing to say that love is going to save us, but it won’t.We are going to save us. Love, although very great, is just a thing, it is not a being, nor a person, nor a god. Love can’t save us and hate won’t destroy us.Love and hate are simply types of emotions.Emotions won’t do it. Sorrow, or happiness or contentment, or anger, or none of the emotions can save us or destroy us.For thousands of years the brutality of mankind has not gotten one tiny bit better. We have got to quit believing that other things will save us and we must do it ourselves.
· It is not believing what is right that is important , but doing what is right. Do Right!!!
Our next Minister of Health seminar begins on the Island of the Dominican Republic on the 29THof this month, the 29th of November.It lasts 1.5 Weeks and costs $1000 for the first week and $500 for the second one half of practical experience in the field.We have never turned anyone away because they didn’t have the money.So call us. Also remember we have the DVD seminar that lasts the same amount of time and the cost is $375.
The statistics of American health guarantees that sometime within the next 20 years the data that you get here will allow you to save a loved one’s life, and no doubt, dozens or hundreds of others lives, or your own life.
Mankind needs your help.
As always with love
Jim Humble

He'll ask not if you won or lost
But rather, how you played the game

For more info., please contact us at the following:

1. MMS Seminars: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com (mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com)
2. MMS Video course: genesis2mission@gmail.com (genesis2mission@gmail.com)
3. Genesis II Church membership: g2church777@gmail.com (g2church777@gmail.com)
4. MMS newsletter signup: jimhumble.biz (g2church777@gmail.com)
5. MMS Info. and inquiries: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com (mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com)
6. Genesis II Church Hompage: Genesis2church.org
7. Genesis II Church blog: Genesis2church.com

P.S. Jimhumble.biz website is updated!!!

MMS saves lives!!!

lightblue

18th November 2010, 12:02

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1. MMS Seminars: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com
2. MMS Video course: genesis2mission@gmail.com
3. Genesis II Church membership: g2church777@gmail.com
4. MMS newsletter signup: jimhumble.biz
5. MMS Info. and inquiries: mmsforhispaniola@gmail.com
6. Genesis II Church Hompage: Genesis2church.org
7. Genesis II Church blog: Genesis2church.com

from the abuve i see that genesis II church's membership is being promoted (line 3, from top down)...i find it distasteful... :yu: l

from the churches blog page: Franklin Barber

I am interested in joining. What do I need to do? Thank you.

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on May 29, 2010 at 12:03 pm | Reply Kathleen

Franklin,
I was looking for the same info and found it. From the home page of the blog, deep within the main message:
“We will accept and record members who send us emails with their name and phone number and email address and the following statement, “I believe in doing good deeds and I also believe in always doing what is right.” Those who want identification cards must send $10 plus $7 shipping from the Dominican Republic to healing@genesis2church.org This is my personal PayPal account that is dedicated to the church. ”
Kathleen

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Bill Ryan

18th November 2010, 12:14

.from the abuve i see that genesis II church's membership is being promoted (line 3, from top down)...i find it distasteful...

It's essentially a device to insulate Jim from prosecution: churches of any denomination are legally permitted to engage in healing.

lightblue

18th November 2010, 12:43

It's essentially a device to insulate Jim from prosecution: churches of any denomination are legally permitted to engage in healing.

makes me sad it had to come to that...many people may be put right off...thanks for the clarification l

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Rozzy

21st November 2010, 20:46

It is important to understand that by stepping out without the blessing of the FDA, Health Canada and the rest of the gang, Jim Humbles very life is at risk of being terminated, the stakes are high to those who have an eternal appetite for money amongst other futile asperations.

heyokah

23rd November 2010, 12:23

Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.
Hippocrates, Father of Medicine, 400 B.C. ....

I have been following this thread for some time now. I watched the videos, read all the testimonials and the questions.
There is one question nobody seems to be able to answer (yet) and that is :

Sunny d :
so does anybody know what the consequences are of taking MMS for longer time??? Does it stop working? are there any side effects? I mean...every drug has a side effect on your body. Did anyone use this product longer than a few years. ( I know you shouldn't use it for month in a row) enlighten me…

I hope I will not offend anybody. I’m just some “Dutch girl” looking for truth in balance and balance in truth.
I have no illness or pains of any kind. I am blessed with a healthy immune system I guess.
That’s what is worrying me in case of MMS.
I can hear/read that MMS takes away a lot of “illness and pain” which are "symptoms".
But how about the "cause" ???
MMS doesn’t enhance the body's immune system to kill disease vectors and restore health.

Some weeks ago there was quite some turmoil about MMS in the Dutch media, which made me do some research on the Internet and I found an interesting article which I will paste and copy here.

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What is Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS), and Why Is It Dangerous?

http://www.cqs.com/mms.htm

Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS) is being touted on the Internet as a natural antibiotic and cure-all for a wide range of diseases and afflictions: colds and flu (including swine flu), malaria, cancer, "HIV & AIDS," fungus, and, more recently, autism. But MMS is actually a synthetic industrial chemical - it is a concentrated (28%) chlorine bleach - sodium chlorite. When MMS is "activated," it creates CLO2, chlorine dioxide, a very strong chemical oxidizer and bleaching agent. CLO2 is the active molecule in many water purification systems. It does kill germs, but it is toxic. If you ingest it in the concentrations recommended, it can cause you direct harm.

* CLO2 is a toxic chemical oxidizer

CLO2 can cause direct oxidation harm to mucous membranes and epithelium (lining of the esophagus, stomach, and intestines). It can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, and reduced blood pressure. Once ingested, it is absorbed into the bloodstream and can cause harm to tissues, to red blood cells, and to the developing brain of infants, children, and the fetus in pregnant women. Because CLO2 is a chemical oxidizer (called a "free radical") it depletes vitamin C. Putting it another way, the vitamin C in our body gets depleted in its attempts to detoxify CLO2; vitamin C is our "free radical scavenger." The instructions provided with MMS specifically warn people not to take vitamin C while they are taking MMS because vitamin C "interferes" with it. This is a red flag that MMS is a toxic chemical, since vitamin C is our primary detoxification agent. Vitamin C depletion is extremely dangerous: it is the bulwark of our immune system, and it is needed for dozens of other body functions.

* "Activated" MMS contains elemental chlorine

Despite the claims of its "inventor" Jim Humble that MMS is elemental chlorine free, the fact of the matter is that when CLO2 is created in water, it immediately reacts with the water to create elemental chlorine and hypochlorous acid. Commercial bleaching operations that use only CLO2 end up with elemental chlorine in the processing tanks and organic chlorine compounds in their wastewater. (Thornton, page 321-322) What does this mean to you?

When elemental chlorine comes in contact with human tissue, it immediately destroys the molecules it comes in contact with, harming tissue and organs. In doing so it also combines with the natural biological chemicals (aromatic hydrocarbons) in your cells, forming chemicals that could never exist in nature, called polychlorinated aromatic hydrocarbons.

These new chemicals are almost always carcinogenic (cause cancer) because they mimic chemicals that look like them but do not include chlorine. So when you ingest MMS, you create cancer-causing chemicals from your own body fluids and tissue. These bio-accumulate in fat tissue, eventually causing cancer.

This means that if you consume MMS you will end up with these compounds - which cause cancer - inside you.

* MMS attacks healthy tissue

CLO2 is actually more dangerous than elemental chlorine for healthy tissue. According to the data on CLO2 cited to support its use for disinfection, it destroys amino acids and sulfurous bonds, both of which are integral to healthy human tissue. CLO2 cannot differentiate healthy tissue from diseased tissue. It is a universal biocide, not for human internal consumption.

* MMS invokes the poison reflex

Many people report that when they take MMS they get nauseous or vomit. This is the autonomic poison response of the human body. Jim Humble's literature says that this is an indication that MMS is "working" and not to worry about it. He attributes it to a detoxification (Herxheimer) reaction. This is not the case. It is caused by the recognition by the body that MMS is poisonous.

* MMS is Toxic - Do Not Use It

Even if you didn't understand the explanation above, please take my word for it - Miracle Mineral Supplement is very toxic to your body. It may seem to get rid of bacteria - chlorine bleach does do that - but at great expense to your long-term health: tissue and organ damage, and possibly cancer.

There is nothing natural about MMS, it is not a supplement, and the only mineral in it is sodium. It is a synthetic industrial chemical. And the only thing miraculous about MMS is that it hasn't been taken off the market.

In October 2009, and man named Doug Nash reported on the curezone website that MMS had killed his wife, Silvie Fink. Her death certificate states that the cause of death was MMS. Jim Humble issued a cruel, blithering response, attacking this man who was grieving the death of his wife, for filing the report. Humble went even further: he included an outright falsehood: "MMS is a natural chemical manufactured by the human immune system to help prevent diseases and to keep the body healthy." The truth is this: your body cannot create sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide. MMS can only be created in a chemical factory.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a press release on July 30, 2010, warning people not to consume MMS.

Please, please do not use this substance. If you have any, don't use it, but save it for evidence. If it has harmed you, please obtain the services of a lawyer to sue the distributor who sold it to you and the manufacturer. Jim Humble must be held accountable for creating this fraudulent product and thereby harming people. Send a complaint to the FDA. Call the FDA's MedWatch program at 800-FDA-1088 or file a report online at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report.htm. As much as I detest the FDA, their job is to get dangerous products off the market, and MMS should be banned.

If you have a serious, chronic infection or illness, please consider the following options. These regimens promote the use of natural antioxidants such as vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, quercetin, and green tea extract. These are the exact opposites of MMS: they enhance your body's immune system to kill disease vectors and restore health.

1. If you want a general regimen to keep yourself healthy, I have posted one for free download: http://www.cqs.com/naturalhealthguide.pdf.

2. If you have an influenza-type illness, look at the natural influenza regimen I have posted on this website at http://www.cqs.com/influenza.htm.

3. If you have a serious infection, get professional medical help immediately, and consider getting intravenous infusions of vitamin C. There are usually clinics in every major city that provide these infusions. If you need help finding one, click on the Contact Jonathan Campbell link on the left sidebar of this page.

4. If you have Lyme Disease, please refer to the book Healing Lyme by Stephen Harrod Buhner. His protocol is completely safe, and it works.

5. If you have cancer, heart disease, AIDS, or hepatitis, please obtain one of my natural therapy guides. These are very inexpensive guides (and the one for immune deficiency is free for download) that provide the information you need to overcome these complex illnesses, through use of therapeutic-dose natural dietary supplement protocols. Click on the Order Health Guide link on the left sidebar of this page.

* Note: I am not attempting to "compete" with Jim Humble. I am astonished that it has come this far, that he has fooled so many people into thinking his remedy is safe. It is not.

My only concern is for you and for your health. This is my life work. I don't make a lot of money doing it. I do not have multi-level marketing people selling for me. I do not even sell the supplements that I recommend. I just tell you where to buy them, inexpensively and reliably. My goal is to help you become healthy and stay healthy throughout your life, and not to be harmed by pharmaceutical drugs and "alternative" medical frauds like MMS.

* End Notes: The documentation presented by Jim Humble for Miracle Mineral Supplement is replete with biological misinformation and fraud. They make no sense.

He claims that activated MMS (chlorine dioxide) is absorbed into the body through the stomach lining. No nutrients are absorbed through the stomach lining; the first place in the alimentary canal where anything can be absorbed is the small intestine.

He claims that red blood cells "armed" with chlorine dioxide will destroy "parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH." Red blood cells do not and cannot have this capability - their function is to carry oxygen to cells all over the body, not to kill pathogens. (It is white blood cells that are the components of the immune system that destroy pathogens.) When red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide, they become useless. In essence, they are destroyed, and this can cause reduced oxygen to your body, similar to carbon monoxide poisoning.

He claims to have cured thousands of people in Africa of malaria, hepatitis, cancer, and AIDS with MMS. But the only public evidence is that he provided MMS to people; there was no standardized medical evaluation of the results. He appears to me to be someone who knows just enough about chemistry to make his claims believable by people who don't study chemistry or human physiology, intent on making money selling his books and the product.

His product has sickened many, many people, and killed at least one person, as I noted above.

He and/or his supporters appear to have created an organization called the Health Freedom Alliance which heavily promotes MMS along with information about some valid health and environmental concerns on its website and mailing list. Its website is hosted in The Netherlands, the site owner and contact information are privacy protected, and the website has no information about the organization or contact information, no address, no phone number. This is all extremely unusual - and very suspicious - for a supposedly public purpose organization.

And now (this really takes the cake) he has founded a new church (Genesis II Church of Health and Healing) and made himself a bishop of it! So now, assumedly, his words will have the backing of God Almighty.

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