Is The Donald on the Verge of Quitting?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Given the monumental uproar over Donald Trump's statements caught and released today by The Washington Post, the Trump camp has, for several hours, been in crisis mode, hunkered down incommunicado in Trump Tower. The outcome of their discussions with Trump will be a decision about whether or not his campaign will be continued. Reporters are currently on the sidewalk in front of Trump Tower, awaiting a promised statement from the campaign. They have been told that a video release about this debacle is imminent. As of 11:26 EST none has been forthcoming.

The Republican party itself is enduring paroxysms within, as members are being forced to once again declare their support for their candidate. Many are withdrawing their support as the night wears on. The latest revelations regarding Trump's character will make it very difficult (an understatement) to stand behind him. Several GOP leaders have already withdrawn their endorsements. Notably, Paul Ryan has cancelled his appearance at an event scheduled for tomorrow at which he would have had to publicly endorse Trump.

Later edit/inclusion - Sorry for not including a link when I first posted this. I had assumed that the explosion of coverage on the MSM would have been noticed already. Here's a link to a NY Times online article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0

In a nutshell, he claims that because he is a "star" he can get away with grabbing women's pussies. Complete strangers. :yuck: There's a lot more, but this statement is the most egregious.

The outrageousness of his statements are so shocking that it will be difficult if not impossible for this man to be respected by most people, let alone be considered a man worthy of the position of being the leader and representative of the United States. He is well on his way to becoming a political pariah.

This "October Surprise" could mark the beginning of the end for Trump's presidential ambitions.

We'll see.

B.

[Flash]

Anyone can tell non Americans what he said?

[mgray]

In a 2005 video of Donald Trump speaking with celebrity interviewer Biily Bush (of those Bushes) where he boasted how he used his stardom to approach women and "grab 'em by the pussy."

[Daozen]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.

It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

[Fellow Aspirant]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.
It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

Except that, if you listen to the whole tape, it's NOT just on ill considered remark - it's a whole story about his attempts to seduce a married woman (rejected, he goes on to disparage her physical appearance - sour grapes!) and is a wide open window into the workings of his vile soul - his immature misogyny and his sense of entitlement that makes him so toxic as a human being. He is not drunk, he's on his way to a TV appearance, and is mainly concerned that he get prepared by munching on tic-tacs so that he'll be ready should he suddenly lose control and make a sudden move to kiss "the beautiful".

His support is already weak among women voters and those who wish to be seen as having integrity. While he may indeed have cemented his position among some supporters, there are not enough angry white racists left to make his run viable. He is, in my humble opinion, toast. With a hefty helping of orange fluff spread.

B.

[Daozen]

Withdrawn. No one outside the US cares what happens anyway. The fact that people are incensed over relative non-issues like this, and so forgiving of Hilary's murders, lies and war stance, just looks surreal from the outside.

The conflict will be decided by banking and technology, not politicians. I suggest people learn a skill-set and build their own future.

[Fellow Aspirant]

I'm afraid you may be right. LOL
But I enjoy a good implosion as much as the next guy. :popcorn:

B.

[amor]

I am very worried about the take-over of the planet by mentally unbalanced morally corrupt sexually immature not quite humans who have every intention of murdering off the human race. The Clinton horror story aside, what do you think of Rockefeller wanting a NWO where everyone has accommodation, enough to eat, etc., and a peaceful way of life on one hand; and on the other hand, we must murder 90% of the human race to do it, brutalize and exterminate all the animals in the wild and domestically, rob everything people have worked for, poison their food and medication, babies, soil, water, toothpaste, etc., etc. These people are totally INSANE. We cannot have such ruling over any part of this planet.

[meat suit]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.

It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

that kind of language is perfecly normal mode of conversation at my place of work... its all just bloke noise really....

[Baby Steps]

he is getting harder to defend, and what happens if he throws in the towel?

we do not get a pro peace , work with Russia candidate.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

If Hillary didn't withdraw after committing perjury, being caught in bribery, corruption and pay-for-play, and all the rest, then Trump isn't going to quit over some crass remarks made 10 years ago.

Actions speak louder than words. Murderers can say very polite things. Isn't that right, Hillary? This is just another crock of liberal hype and wishful thinking. They are nervous as hell as will do or say anything at this point.

[Baby Steps]

dear Donald,
here's a bit of a left field suggestion for debating tactics.

do not debate her.

instead, get your team to trawl through HC's many statements.

each time an issue is raised, just quote back to her what she has said.....

the best, and most telling one I can think of is, where Hillary states that every woman subjected to abuse has the right to be heard....

God bless

[PurpleLama]

Just so long as we aren't talking about the latest round of wikileaks that appeared within a few hours of the leak about some crude remarks from the Don....

[TargeT]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.

It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

that kind of language is perfecly normal mode of conversation at my place of work... its all just bloke noise really....

I don't think women understand (or even care) about male culture and the WEIRDNESS of it.. we literally have to be hyper sexual AND "more manly" around each other..

"Guy talk" is vulgar and childish usualy.. with lots of what leftist would call "bulling" being very common.

What I heard was an asshole with an active sex drive. Not sure how that is related to him running for office, I doubt he lost any support.. in fact (as mentioned previously) this just solidifies his being a "real person".


he is getting harder to defend, and what happens if he throws in the towel?

we do not get a pro peace , work with Russia candidate.

He recently flipflopped on russia.. not sure if I'd pin ANY hopes on the orange wig man.

[pyrangello]

And so right on the front page of the daily mail today here's the other side of the story

Gennifer said: ‘I don’t know Huma or the Weiners. I justknow what Bill told me and that was that he was aware that Hillary was bisexualand he didn’t care. He should know.
'He said Hillary had eaten more p***y than he had.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424555/Bill-Clintons-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-Wed-today-wasnt-Chelsea.html#ixzz4MVK30JYL

And so who really gives a crap about any of this , This is such BS and I'm totally looking at all of this trash being brought up to the main street media, or main street trash or main street minions, who are these people that have zero lives that need to publish such trash anyways, that sit around a desk, no wait they are probably sitting in the private stalls of their toilets at work with their laptops discussing this while they take a dump. I see trump apologized last night, trump didn't bring up any trash at the debate and was honorable enough to not say anything in front of hillarys daughter at the debate, as far as trumps language, its all sailor talk between a bunch of guys, or when a bunch of guys are downing a few whiskeys around a fire, egos to impress and big words to embellish. Its a snapshot in time from way back so who really cares anyways.

[Shannon]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.

It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

that kind of language is perfecly normal mode of conversation at my place of work... its all just bloke noise really....

Yes but are your blokes running to be leader of the free (eyeroll) world ? Are your blokes making statements like "nobody respects women more than me. Nobody !"

Yes it's a statement from a while ago and I'm actually surprised being that billy bush was involved it even got out. His job is on the line as he's in a very female driven time slot.

I personally think a lot of dudes speak like this when they think no (woman) one will ever hear and it doesn't make them sexist, just total assholes.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


And so right on the front page of the daily mail today here's the other side of the story

Gennifer said: ‘I don’t know Huma or the Weiners. I justknow what Bill told me and that was that he was aware that Hillary was bisexualand he didn’t care. He should know.
'He said Hillary had eaten more p***y than he had.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424555/Bill-Clintons-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-Wed-today-wasnt-Chelsea.html#ixzz4MVK30JYL

And so who really gives a crap about any of this , This is such BS and I'm totally looking at all of this trash being brought up to the main street media, or main street trash or main street minions, who are these people that have zero lives that need to publish such trash anyways, that sit around a desk, no wait they are probably sitting in the private stalls of their toilets at work with their laptops discussing this while they take a dump. I see trump apologized last night, trump didn't bring up any trash at the debate and was honorable enough to not say anything in front of hillarys daughter at the debate, as far as trumps language, its all sailor talk between a bunch of guys, or when a bunch of guys are downing a few whiskeys around a fire, egos to impress and big words to embellish. Its a snapshot in time from way back so who really cares anyways.

Which fits right in with Cathy obriens story of Hillary. And I quote, Hillary. "Oh my god, eat me, eat me now!"..

[Spellbound]

Both are morally bankrupt....both are dysfunctional....both have sexual skeletons in their closet.

Good thing I stocked up on popcorn.

Dave - Toronto

[norski]

All the above.

Donald, Hillary, Obama... the Kardashians, Brangelina....

All the same.

Every single institution in this country is rotting from the inside out.

Makes my head hurt.

[meat suit]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. These are the disaffected workers that Trump is appealing to. This 'scandal' will only cement his position as a red-blooded, all-American enemy of the establishment. Not that I believe the Pro-Trump propaganda, but that's the ticket he's riding on.

It's just a stupid, ill considered remark from 10 years ago. Compare that to Hillary, who murders her enemies. If anything, this'll only increase his support.

that kind of language is perfecly normal mode of conversation at my place of work... its all just bloke noise really....

Yes but are your blokes running to be leader of the free (eyeroll) world ? Are your blokes making statements like "nobody respects women more than me. Nobody !"

Yes it's a statement from a while ago and I'm actually surprised being that billy bush was involved it even got out. His job is on the line as he's in a very female driven time slot.

I personally think a lot of dudes speak like this when they think no (woman) one will ever hear and it doesn't make them sexist, just total assholes.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


And so right on the front page of the daily mail today here's the other side of the story

Gennifer said: ‘I don’t know Huma or the Weiners. I justknow what Bill told me and that was that he was aware that Hillary was bisexualand he didn’t care. He should know.
'He said Hillary had eaten more p***y than he had.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424555/Bill-Clintons-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-Wed-today-wasnt-Chelsea.html#ixzz4MVK30JYL

And so who really gives a crap about any of this , This is such BS and I'm totally looking at all of this trash being brought up to the main street media, or main street trash or main street minions, who are these people that have zero lives that need to publish such trash anyways, that sit around a desk, no wait they are probably sitting in the private stalls of their toilets at work with their laptops discussing this while they take a dump. I see trump apologized last night, trump didn't bring up any trash at the debate and was honorable enough to not say anything in front of hillarys daughter at the debate, as far as trumps language, its all sailor talk between a bunch of guys, or when a bunch of guys are downing a few whiskeys around a fire, egos to impress and big words to embellish. Its a snapshot in time from way back so who really cares anyways.

Which fits right in with Cathy obriens story of Hillary. And I quote, Hillary. "Oh my god, eat me, eat me now!"..

I think Trump has just been cought being the pig that he is.. they are probably all pigs when they think they are in a private space...
the common man , the one that votes for Trump exactly because Trump is a pig, applauds him for being so ... one of us... and Mexico will pay...

[Arcturian108]

Folks,
I am still voting for Trump, as he is the only possible candidate who can put a monkey wrench into the obnoxious situation the world finds itself in these days. Take a look at his astrology, for those of you who can read birth charts. He has sun conjunct Uranus, which explains his creativity, non-conformity and genius (yes, genius). Who else could have made mincemeat of Jeb Bush? Who else would have been brave enough to take on the Bushes and the C.I.A.? Remember, folks, they can still take him out. I have been wondering all along who is protecting him?

[greybeard]

I suspect that people who are very successful have a higher than average sex drive.
Goes with the package.
Down to ---who is the right person for the job?

Ch

[neutronstar]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. .

It doesn't have to be in a bar or anything to do with alcohol. I have heard this my whole life in guy only environments. If you are a women and are shocked by these statements, all I have to say to you is welcome to a man's world. Your husband or boyfriend may deny it if you confront them, but at some point in their life they have had a similar conversation.

There is a reason women are called the better half. Most men get better with age, but I would think men that are rich and famous very seldom do. At Least not any that would run for President. Look at JFK, probably one of our best Presedents, but he was a sexit pig. The thing I would say about the Donald is at least he likes women and not little girls.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

When more attention is brought to the Bill Clinton rape accusations, and accusations of sexual assault from multiple women (not consensual sex as with Lewinsky, but actual assault and rape) then we'll see if these same people don't also call for Hillary to step down for defending Bill and attacking these women.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHh73fkDUIs

[pyrangello]

I've been giving this some more thought, First off trump was being taped between 2 guys some 11 years ago. The conversation was between trump and billy bush who I understand is related to the bush family.What a coincidence,lol. First off who carries around a tape for 11 years only to be released just before the election and I'll bet trump didn't give his authorization for it either. That being said any of us in social circles in life being just the guys or just the gals for a weekend or evening know the jabbing and jousting that goes on between our social groups , and sometimes its things that none of us would ever say in public let alone on major network news. I'm not making excuses for trump, all I'm saying is this conversation wasn't to be aired public, hell some of my conversations should never be aired public either, I've made mistakes and said things I shouldn't have.

What I do know is this , the man trump is a father, a businessman who has created thousands of jobs for people to support their families, a grandfather, and a proud husband. He does many charitable things for others very discreetly and above all else stepped up to the plate to run for president and self funded this movement for the longest time. He went up against the most brutal machine in Washington DC where the late vice foster said I believe,RUINING PEOPLES CAREERS ARE CONSIDERED SPORT! He knocked out 17 candidates for the nomination, fought the media and GOP the entire way and now the excessive dirt from a past is being boiled to the top with the main stream minions media trumpeting this to the heavens because its not their candidate. He is pulling thousands of Americans at his rallying when Hillary can't pull a little league baseball team to hers. He has took on a corrupt institution at its core that cannot continue to function on the path of self destruction -9 trillion in debt more in 7.5 years. The man doesn't drink nor does his family and he doesn't need the money or aggravation or the embarrassment within his own children from this dirt being thrown up in the air. Whenever I watch a successful person on TV ,criticize Trump , I think to myself yeah you can criticize him all you want but you didn't have the balls to do what he has done.And you didn't spend your own money doing it either knowing everything you spent could be for nothing at all. So before anybody starts throwing the first stones, think back in your life , did you do or say anything that you would have never done in public?

God Bless this man for stepping into the snake pit of the earth by himself to in fact make a difference for the right reasons. Debate is tonight , lets see if the moderators are neutral or are they going to pull a another lester holt on trump tonight.

[greybeard]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. .

It doesn't have to be in a bar or anything to do with alcohol. I have heard this my whole life in guy only environments. If you are a women and are shocked by these statements, all I have to say to you is welcome to a man's world. Your husband or boyfriend may deny it if you confront them, but at some point in their life they have had a similar conversation.

There is a reason women are called the better half. Most men get better with age, but I would think men that are rich and famous very seldom do. At Least not any that would run for President. Look at JFK, probably one of our best Presedents, but he was a sexit pig. The thing I would say about the Donald is at least he likes women and not little girls.

I think this is a very honest post.
Though ---i think most men grow out of such language soon after they have an on going relationship.
The thoughts might remain that it would be fun to--do X Y &Z.
Once by mistake, drink taken, late at night I wandered into a womans public toilet---the writing on the wall was not that much different to that in mens toilets.
I was in my teens--so its a long time ago.

I still have the thought, probably inaccurate, that women are not as randy as men.

Anyway --still the thought --who is the right person for the job of President---only a lunatic would want it.

Ch.

[pyrangello]

Here's a utube video of the debate with lester holt on the 3rd of october. If you not interested in watching the entire video watch just the first 6 minutes , or from minute 4 to minute 6 , my mouth hit the floor when I saw this right in front of everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HpXqFEKqm0

[neutronstar]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. .

It doesn't have to be in a bar or anything to do with alcohol. I have heard this my whole life in guy only environments. If you are a women and are shocked by these statements, all I have to say to you is welcome to a man's world. Your husband or boyfriend may deny it if you confront them, but at some point in their life they have had a similar conversation.

There is a reason women are called the better half. Most men get better with age, but I would think men that are rich and famous very seldom do. At Least not any that would run for President. Look at JFK, probably one of our best Presedents, but he was a sexit pig. The thing I would say about the Donald is at least he likes women and not little girls.

I think this is a very honest post.
Though ---i think most men grow out of such language soon after they have an on going relationship.
The thoughts might remain that it would be fun to--do X Y &Z.
Once by mistake, drink taken, late at night I wandered into a womans public toilet---the writing on the wall was not that much different to that in mens toilets.
I was in my teens--so its a long time ago.

I still have the thought, probably inaccurate, that women are not as randy as men.

Anyway --still the thought --who is the right person for the job of President---only a lunatic would want it.

Ch.

I did say most men get better with age, myself being one. But when I was young my friends and I made Trump's statement look tame in comparison.

As far as women being just as bad, I can never know that in this lifetime. I can say that in my hometown there was a bar that had a downstairs that some nights would have male dancers. Us men would drink upstairs waiting for the dancers to get done. Looking to get with all the horney women. :bigsmile: One thing I can say for sure is women go wild around male stripers. We couldn't see them but we sure as hell heard them. They are like a pack of rabid dogs around male stripers, while us men just sit quietly enjoying the view with women stripers.

[Shannon]

The comment that Mgray quoted is nothing that a trucker, logger, investment banker or clerk wouldn't say in a bar after a few beers. .

It doesn't have to be in a bar or anything to do with alcohol. I have heard this my whole life in guy only environments. If you are a women and are shocked by these statements, all I have to say to you is welcome to a man's world. Your husband or boyfriend may deny it if you confront them, but at some point in their life they have had a similar conversation.

There is a reason women are called the better half. Most men get better with age, but I would think men that are rich and famous very seldom do. At Least not any that would run for President. Look at JFK, probably one of our best Presedents, but he was a sexit pig. The thing I would say about the Donald is at least he likes women and not little girls.

I think this is a very honest post.
Though ---i think most men grow out of such language soon after they have an on going relationship.
The thoughts might remain that it would be fun to--do X Y &Z.
Once by mistake, drink taken, late at night I wandered into a womans public toilet---the writing on the wall was not that much different to that in mens toilets.
I was in my teens--so its a long time ago.

I still have the thought, probably inaccurate, that women are not as randy as men.

Anyway --still the thought --who is the right person for the job of President---only a lunatic would want it.

Ch.


I was just having this same convo with my husband. He is one of the nicest most respectful men I've ever met. He's a big tall guy but is a gentle giant. His mother taught him and his gay brother very well, and I credit not only her but their father as well.

Upon meeting my husband on a construction site, where we both worked. I was use to men talking when they thought women weren't around. Before I even got into the union I was warned by the men in my family that I may hear things that will be uncomfortable.

I've heard things come out of men's mouths that they would have never ever said in front of me, or to me, or any woman. I had excellent hearing. He he. :)

But all it was to me was a more "mature-immature " ( if that makes sense ) banter that boys in high school would say aloud in the presence of anyone because they hadn't learned discretion yet.

So what blows my mind is all the rapes and the sexual assaults Clinton has in his past. But what trump said to a another tool back in the day proves he hates women?!? What is wrong with people's logic here?

I mentioned I have a hard time talking about anything sexual without getting the giggles. And around the right women, I have said some of the most hilarious and sexually inappropriate stuff that would make my husband blush.

This is all silliness in the face of some really serious chit.

[greybeard]

I agree Shannon with "This is all silliness in the face of some really serious chit".
The choice is between a rock and a hard place.

It is said that the the consciousness of the one elected reflects the collective level of consciousness of the electorate.
I hope this is untrue.
One way or another every other country will be affected by the choice of President to be made soon.
That is serious chit.
Where is the statesman--the states woman to be found?
Neither of these candidates fit that description as far as I can tell.

Ch

[neutronstar]

But all it was to me was a more "mature-immature " ( if that makes sense ) banter that boys in high school would say aloud in the presence of anyone because they hadn't learned discretion yet.

It is more about spiritual growth. Men act the way they do because of our hormones and animal instincts ( to have as many mates as possible ). It is our challenge to overcome these instincts to grow on a spiritual level.

I remember an interview of a women who had a sex change to become a man. She said once she started taking male hormones she was overwhelmed with the sex drive. She said she doesn't understand why more men don't rape women because the sex drive was so overwhelming for her. Of course as men we have more time to get use to the feeling but for her it came all at once. But it does explain why rape is a big problem in college. We are going through our sexual peek at that time and consuming a lot of alcohol. Not all men have problems dealing with their sex drive, but I would think it has to do with our spiritual development.

[phillipbbg]

He is far from giving up, actually I agree with Adams response to Erickson here....

"Dirt dished on Trump will make him president"

http://theblacksphere.net/2016/10/dirt-dished-on-trump-will-make-him-president/

Snip:

11. I’m adding context to the discussion, not condoning it. Trump is on his own to explain his behavior.

12. Clinton supporters hated Trump before this latest outrage. Trump supporters already assumed he was like this. Independents probably assumed it too. Before you make assumptions about how this changes the election, see if anyone you know changes their vote because of it. All I have seen so far is people laughing about it.

12. I hereby change my endorsement from Trump to Gary Johnson, just to get out of the blast zone. Others will be “parking” their vote with Johnson the same way. The “shy Trump supporter” demographic just tripled.

13. My prediction of a 98% chance of Trump winning stays the same. Clinton just took the fight to Trump’s home field. None of this was a case of clever strategy or persuasion on Trump’s part. But if the new battleground is spousal fidelity, you have to like Trump’s chances.

14. Trump wasn’t running for Pope. He never claimed moral authority. His proposition has been that he’s an asshole (essentially), but we need an asshole to fight ISIS, ignore lobbyists, and beat up Congress. Does it change anything to have confirmation that he is exactly what you thought he was?

http://theblacksphere.net/2016/10/dirt-dished-on-trump-will-make-him-president/

get ready for Drama drama beyond belief ..... time to go read a book and switch it all off lol

[Inversion]

I don't think Trump has come this far just to drop out. He's shown that he can't control his emotions and choice of words in a private or public setting. In the circles of business tycoons that sort of behavior is acceptable.

[bettye198]

The words are offensive, granted but we women are not stupid about these remarks. It happens in private and in locker rooms and bars and all the male frat bravado is talk. My husband had a comment who is the same age as Trump. He said, I would not be surprised if he takes testosterone which would bring up these kinds of remarks. He may be oversexed or on the down side, wishing he was. Either way, it does not sway my vote simply because to go the other way would be death to America.

I also found it cryptic that Billy Bush ( of the Bush family) would dig out an 11 yr old private conversation. It almost feels like it was a lying in wait ace in the sleeve when things got tempermental. This is a high school tactic. Not Presidential. I hope I can sit thru another debate. I left half way with Kaine and Pence.

[Shannon]

The words are offensive, granted but we women are not stupid about these remarks. It happens in private and in locker rooms and bars and all the male frat bravado is talk. My husband had a comment who is the same age as Trump. He said, I would not be surprised if he takes testosterone which would bring up these kinds of remarks. He may be oversexed or on the down side, wishing he was. Either way, it does not sway my vote simply because to go the other way would be death to America.

I also found it cryptic that Billy Bush ( of the Bush family) would dig out an 11 yr old private conversation. It almost feels like it was a lying in wait ace in the sleeve when things got tempermental. This is a high school tactic. Not Presidential. I hope I can sit thru another debate. I left half way with Kaine and Pence.

I seriously doubt that billy bush dug out the hot mic recording himself. He is in deep doody himself for whatever lame reason now because of all this.

http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-hot-mic-tape-leaked/amp/

[Flash]

Having worked years and years with young male, often being the only female in the group, at one point they would stop holding their tongue and start chatting as if I was one of them, and gosh, those comments are oten almost usual, even with white collars - I always diliked them, but I must admit they are usual.

And yes, guys brag about women and their supposedly manhood - just makes me laugh of despair, so teenager like. And very mysoginistic in the way of thinking of women as sex objects.

So, me and my girlfriends, we started to talk like......... them regarding males attributes :ROFL: almost kidding here.

I am French speaking, and as long as we are respected in the street, on the job, etc, we do not dive into other's sexual conduit and thinking.

I find rape as presumably Bill Clinton did, much much much much more reprehensible and unacceptable. If rape dirt (some seem to exist) comes around for Trump, I will place him in the mysoginistic asshole ready for jail. as I would Clinton for his presumed rapes.


The words are offensive, granted but we women are not stupid about these remarks. It happens in private and in locker rooms and bars and all the male frat bravado is talk. My husband had a comment who is the same age as Trump. He said, I would not be surprised if he takes testosterone which would bring up these kinds of remarks. He may be oversexed or on the down side, wishing he was. Either way, it does not sway my vote simply because to go the other way would be death to America.

I also found it cryptic that Billy Bush ( of the Bush family) would dig out an 11 yr old private conversation. It almost feels like it was a lying in wait ace in the sleeve when things got tempermental. This is a high school tactic. Not Presidential. I hope I can sit thru another debate. I left half way with Kaine and Pence.

[TargeT]

But it does explain why rape is a big problem in college.

That is another injected meme, just not true. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980) There's a lot of subtle and not so subtle anti men **** out there right now for some reason (http://www.city-journal.org/html/campus-rape-myth-13061.html).. most of it is misleading at best, (http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/the-myth-of-the-college-rape-culture/) mostly wrong is the norm (http://columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2016/02/24/rape-culture-and-problem-1-5-sexual-assault-statistic).

But then at times, I wonder why these lies are so readily picked up and repeated by people.. it's like we WANT to think the worst about eachother...



And very mysoginistic in the way of thinking of women as sex objects.
I disagree that the basis of these conversations is mysoginistic.

Just because you focus on the sugar in your ice cream doesn't mean you hate ice cream as a whole

If your starting from that base no wonder you see sexists everywhere.......:silent:



If rape dirt (some seem to exist) comes around for Trump, I will place him in the mysoginistic asshole ready for jail. as I would Clinton for his presumed rapes.

now I could see THAT effecting his campaign strongly.. have any links?

[Flash]

I think you havent read the rest of my post.... or you just pick out of context what suits you to justify your own rhetoric - what is your targer Target?



But it does explain why rape is a big problem in college.

That is another injected meme, just not true. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980) There's a lot of subtle and not so subtle anti men **** out there right now for some reason (http://www.city-journal.org/html/campus-rape-myth-13061.html).. most of it is misleading at best, (http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/the-myth-of-the-college-rape-culture/) mostly wrong is the norm (http://columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2016/02/24/rape-culture-and-problem-1-5-sexual-assault-statistic).

But then at times, I wonder why these lies are so readily picked up and repeated by people.. it's like we WANT to think the worst about eachother...



And very mysoginistic in the way of thinking of women as sex objects.
I disagree that the basis of these conversations is mysoginistic.

Just because you focus on the sugar in your ice cream doesn't mean you hate ice cream as a whole

If your starting from that base no wonder you see sexists everywhere.......:silent:

[neutronstar]

But it does explain why rape is a big problem in college.

That is another injected meme, just not true. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980) There's a lot of subtle and not so subtle anti men **** out there right now for some reason (http://www.city-journal.org/html/campus-rape-myth-13061.html).. most of it is misleading at best, (http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/the-myth-of-the-college-rape-culture/) mostly wrong is the norm (http://columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2016/02/24/rape-culture-and-problem-1-5-sexual-assault-statistic).

But then at times, I wonder why these lies are so readily picked up and repeated by people.. it's like we WANT to think the worst about eachother...



What lies? Those are articles you found not me. I don't care if their %s are wrong, I wasn't referring to them. I have been to college twice I know what it is like. It is much different than life after college. You can debate if what happens in college, if it is really rape or just taking advantage of drunk women by drunk guys. I am a guy, I know what is right and what is wrong. I also know what it is like to be in my early 20s. To me now, it is wrong, then, I didn't think it was that bad. But I was also under the influence of large amounts of testosterone.

I also don't like to find the all the bad in people. But I also try to be honest and not lie to justify my actions or the actions of others. The human race has the ability for great actions but also really bad actions as well.

[TargeT]

I also try to be honest and not lie to justify my actions or the actions of others. The human race has the ability for great actions but also really bad actions as well.

Fair enough, I certainly do not know what actions you took or what you observed in others.

I only know statistics and my own personal experiences in west-coast colleges. (California, Oregon and Alaska.. I only have 110 credits, so no super long term exposure)

And I'll say,I'm baffled at what you are saying, maybe I just hung around good people (jocks and science majors?).

[Tinman]

I am completely dumbfounded that here in the Avalon forums, the forums that I used to admire and respect, that there are so many Trump apologists and supporters. This community has let me down. You are so virulently anti- Hillary, and God knows, that I don't trust her and am not a supporter, but that this blind hatred of her makes anyone think that this vile sack of **** named Trump would have anything positive to offer this country is unbelievable. I weep for those rallying around this lying mysogisnist pig.

[TargeT]

I am completely dumbfounded that here in the Avalon forums, the forums that I used to admire and respect, that there are so many Trump apologists and supporters. This community has let me down. You are so virulently anti- Hillary, and God knows, that I don't trust her and am not a supporter, but that this blind hatred of her makes anyone think that this vile sack of **** named Trump would have anything positive to offer this country is unbelievable. I weep for those rallying around this lying mysogisnist pig.

I appreciate your expression and completely understand the extreme frustration when it seems that something so clear is not being understood. How is it possible to reconcile these differing mindsets? I have not found a way that does not further push in "each direction".

And In this I find beauty, I see the most cleverly designed "divide and conquer" tactic possible; that which leverages the innate, primal archetypes of "humanity".

However, consider this: Do you personally know anyone of the complete opposite political mind set? Do you also objectively see them as evil, bad or intolerable, or are they just a neighbor with very slightly different ideas on some topics that lives life very much in the same ways as yourself?

How brilliant and successful is this divide and conquer technique?

I do not doubt that were any one of us ( P.A. members) to meet in person and discuss a topic, that we would leave thinking the other person was someone worth meeting.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's Hillary's campaign that wanted to bring up all the personal attacks against Trump, calling him sexist and racist and everything else. So if that's fair game then so is the fact that Bill Clinton has been accused of rape and sexual abuse by multiple women, and Hillary got a man off for raping a 12 year old girl, and was even caught laughing about it in a taped phone call around the time that it happened. These are the kind of people trying to get back into the White House. It is a no brainer to send those two packing. They should be in prison.

[TargeT]

They should be in prison.

I find it difficult to see how Clinton has supporters.

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[Sierra]

Apparently, Trump raped a 13 year old at a Jeffrey Epstein pedophile party, witnessed by a fellow 12 year old Epstein victim, and a recruiter.

https://www.google.com/amp/fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/amp/?client=safari


Donald Trump’s reputation as a womanizer is well-known. So is his history as a misogynist. But it’s only with Friday’s release of an extremely lewd video, in which the Republican nominee for President can be heard bragging how “when you’re a star” you can do whatever the hell you want to women’s bodies—including “grab them by the pussy”—that the rape accusations leveled against him are finally getting national attention.

In a statement released shortly after the Washington Post published the damning video, Trump dismissed the comments as “locker room banter.” But in light of these charges, the country is taking a closer look at what may be a history of not only sexually violent words but sexually violent actions.
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The third case against Trump comes via a recent federal lawsuit filed in June 2016 in the State of New York by “Jane Doe.” In the suit, Doe alleges that Trump raped her back in 1994, when she was just 13 years old. According to legal docs, Doe says she attended parties with Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein—a registered sex offender known in the media as the “billionaire pedophile.” Doe, who was trying to become a model, says it was during these parties that Trump initiated sexual contact with her on several occasions and on one occasion allegedly raped her.

According to the suit, Trump tied her to a bed, exposed himself to her and then raped her in a “savage sexual attack.” Doe says she screamed for him to stop at which point he struck her in the face while screaming “that he would do whatever he wanted.” In a statement filed with the lawsuit, Doe says Trump threatened to ruin her life and her family’s life if she ever told anyone about the incident:

Immediately following this rape Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.

The lawsuit also includes a witness statement from a “Tiffany Doe,” who says that, in the ’90s, she was in charge of recruiting adolescent women to entertain guests at Epstein’s parties—and she personally saw the incident occur.

I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.

In her statement, Tiffany Doe also says she witnessed Trump force other minors to perform oral sex on him and witnessed his “physical abuse” on them “when they finished the act.” On Friday, hours before the lewd video of Trump was leaked, a federal judge in New York ordered a December hearing for the case.

Seriously, neither party can claim the high ground.

The corrupt, violent, and abusive 1%, meh. What's new.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

You mean Bill Clinton's good friend Jeffrey Epstein?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElAqnV2o1RQ


Bill Clinton‘s past is coming back to haunt Hillary‘s campaign yet again! RadarOnline.com has learned he will face renewed scrutiny later this month, when a new book about his chummy relationship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is released.

Written by investigative journalist John Connolly and best-selling author James Patterson, Filthy Rich explores how the former president and billionaire spent time together while Epstein “abused a string of young girls,” The Daily Mail reported.

Filthy Rich delves into how “Epstein flew Clinton to Africa on his personal Boeing 727 so that the former president could give a talk about AIDS.”

PHOTOS: Kiddie Porn, Sex Toys & Worse: Clinton Pal Jeffrey Epstein’s Pedophile Palace Revealed

Radar previously reported how police raided Epstein’s Florida mansion in 2005, after numerous teenage girls claimed to have been sexually assaulted. Epstein was known to throw lavish parties with guests that included Prince Andrew and Donald Trump.

Federal investigators claim in court filings that they had “identified 40 young women who can be characterized as victims,” The Daily News reported.

Epstein pleaded guilty to solicitation of a minor in 2008 and all other charges were dropped.

PHOTOS: The Prince & The Pedophile! The Jeffrey Epstein Sex Scandal

The billionaire also donated money to the Clinton Foundation, which itself has been shrouded in controversy. Clinton once said of Epstein, “Jeffrey is both a highly successful financier and a committed philanthropist with a keen sense of global markets and an in-depth knowledge of twenty-first-century science,” The Daily Mail reported.

Clinton reportedly took multiple trips to Epstein’s private Caribbean “orgy” island where alleged victims claimed they were used as sex slaves.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-book-reveals-chummy-relationship/


I don't find it surprising that Trump's name comes up in these circles, because he's part of the wealthy class from New York. But the Clintons and Bushes are the ring leaders of the circus that is going on in this country, so if anyone wants to bring up sexism, or racism, or not having a good "temperament," the Clintons are going to lose that fight every time.

If we want to talk about actual policy issues then we should talk about the economy, our trade deals, our immigration policy, our foreign policy including what is going on in Syria, and how we are going to go forward with Russia and other world powers. These are important issues and Hillary Clinton gets creamed on all of them. All she has to hold on to are the personal attacks, and like I said, she is going to lose that one every time. It's over for her campaign. The only thing she has left working for her are other crooked politicians, the liberal MSM (see Wikileaks for proof of illegal collusion, if you need it), and Wall Street. Oh and people like George Soros. In other words everything that common Americans should be standing up against.

[Flash]

One has to be very careful when talking of rape victime some 20 + years ago with rich men. Although it is certainly true that there is a lot going on and lots of pedophilia in rich milieu, there is also lots of people and lots of women trying to get money from those guys by making them spit $$ before it goes public, and if they don't they go public even though they are lying through their teeth. Not frequent, but a true possibility.

So we have to have proofs or credible witnesses or a pattern with others as well before condemning anyone, and a very good investigation team that cannot be bought either way (by the presumed victim as well).

When you have 3 women telling basically the same stories in front of reporters, a good chance they are telling the truth because they are risking reputation, lots and expensive lawsuits and potentially their life.

The most interesting thing is that both parties, Trump and Clinton, accuse the other of rape and sex with underage girls. It tells you that something is going on at that level with those man libido and that both parties have some squeleton in their closet.

Is that what/who we want to lead the world?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The problem is symptomatic with our entire system, where the very upper class is above the law and more or less can do whatever it likes, including putting hits out on people and destroying entire governments through unilateral military strikes. We wouldn't even be having these discussions about rape right now if Trump weren't in this election, because the skeletons in the Clinton closet would have safely remain there if we had had another Clinton vs Bush election as the Bush/Clinton faction was trying to organize to begin with. This isn't the kind of stuff Kerry and Bush were talking about, though they were 100% as up to their eyeballs in this kind of stuff as anyone.

If you just take a step back and look at the overall situation of what is going on here, in the larger historical context, all of this stuff is unprecedented in a presidential debate, because one of the candidates has clearly upset the status quo.

[neutronstar]

I also try to be honest and not lie to justify my actions or the actions of others. The human race has the ability for great actions but also really bad actions as well.

Fair enough, I certainly do not know what actions you took or what you observed in others.

I only know statistics and my own personal experiences in west-coast colleges. (California, Oregon and Alaska.. I only have 110 credits, so no super long term exposure)

And I'll say,I'm baffled at what you are saying, maybe I just hung around good people (jocks and science majors?).

I will say those stats in those articles seem way over blown. I find it hard to believe that that many women claim to be raped in college. My angle was more to the point of men do this more when they are young then when they get older. Also like I said a person can argue whether it is rape or just irresponsible behavior when your dealing with drunk young people. When a person drinks they are basically giving themselves a temporary lobotomy.

[Sierra]

I don't find it surprising that Trump's name comes up in these circles, because he's part of the wealthy class from New York. But the Clintons and Bushes are the ring leaders of the circus that is going on in this country, so if anyone wants to bring up sexism, or racism, or not having a good "temperament," the Clintons are going to lose that fight every time.

Clinton is a racist, and racism is part of her platform? Gosh, I hadn't picked up on that. Have any links I can read?

Think I'll vote for my garbage can...

[TargeT]

Think I'll vote for my garbage can...

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/giant-meteor.jpg?w=750

[neutronstar]

Is that what/who we want to lead the world?

Those type of people have been leading the world for a very long time. We know it was common and accepted in the ancient world. In today's world of politics it is also common. I live in Omaha Ne, the center of the Franklin scandal. I work with a person who knew some of the people involved. Pediphila is rampid in the upper class of this city and it stretched all the way to DC. One of the boys involved personally saw George Senior getting serviced by a very very young boy. George junior is also a pediphile.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Clinton is a racist, and racism is part of her platform? Gosh, I hadn't picked up on that. Have any links I can read?

The problem is not that there is no evidence of Hillary being racist. The problem is that you have never looked for it, or heard about it, so when I mentioned it you assume I'm just making things up. That's the feeling I get because your tone sounds sarcastic. You already know that the Clintons are far from saints so will what I'm about to tell you really surprise you?

There is lots of information you can find online but I'll give you one example myself, so that you don't even have to go to Google. In the 1990's Bill Clinton passed laws that increased the number of African Americans in our prison system, which is a well-known problem in inner cities that is one of the factors that has destroyed urban communities. Hillary, out campaigning on behalf of her husband's political actions, described inner city crime (which disproportionately involves black males because of inner city demographics) as "superpredators." Everybody knew she was talking about black people, and it was black people who suffered disproportionately from that prison reform.

So we go back to the idea that Hillary is somehow for minorities, that she always take care of minorities, but she doesn't. She only takes care of herself, just like her husband, which includes taking marching orders from George Soros. These people are globalists and it's not a secret what they want. They want no borders, no national sovereignty, and they want a one-world government. They've been talking about it for decades.


Edit to add a video of someone protesting at a Hillary speech on these same grounds, her statements about "superpredators" ie black people:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhohpfBk8Q


Hillary's campaign was already being protested by black activist groups early on, and I guess still does from time to time, but then all the focus on Trump started when George Soros started funding and organizing Black Lives Matter. George Soros also funds Hillary's campaign.

If Hillary lost the black vote, it would be over for her, no contest. As it stands Trump has already pulled in more African American support in some polls than any other Republican candidates in recent history, and I'd say it has at least as much to do with the Clintons' past racist policies than it does anything to do with what Trump is doing.

[T Smith]

If rape dirt (some seem to exist) comes around for Trump, I will place him in the mysoginistic asshole ready for jail. as I would Clinton for his presumed rapes.



Get ready for it. It's in the cards, and my guess is it will come out in precise tandem with the most damaging Wikileaks emails on HRC.

If the information has any validity (hmmm.... why wouldn't it already be out? They entire political establishment, including some very powerful players, has been in the market for a silver bullet for almost 16 months already), I will be the first to agree with you. But I would also caution not to be so easily fooled, as we are only half way through the playbook, i.e. the Clintons have to first paint their nemesis to be a completely believable misogynistic asshole before they dare bait us with their Wag-the-Dog "Trump card"....

[Sierra]

Gosh bsbray, sounds like Hilary is doomed.

(And let's not get personal bsbray, telling members they are the problem, all right?)

(Googling abilities aside, most of the passionate drivel on the Clinton/Trump completely ignores the one party system in the beltway that serves only the corporations.)

I'm still voting for my garbage can.

Less than one month of drivel left, I thank all the gods.

[TargeT]

Gosh bsbray, sounds like Hilary is doomed.


Even with all that, I'll be shocked if she doesn't "win".

She seems to have nearly the whole system in her pocket, one way or another.

[Sierra]

Gosh bsbray, sounds like Hilary is doomed.


Even with all that, I'll be shocked if she doesn't "win".

She seems to have nearly the whole system in her pocket, one way or another.

Ya think? Given that the democratic candidate should have been Bernie Sanders (not that I believed Bernie's Trump sized promises lacking a feasible budget either), and that Clinton has the electoral college pretty much sewn up.

Oh, the terrible attacks of cynicism I suffer these days...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Even with all that, I'll be shocked if she doesn't "win".

She seems to have nearly the whole system in her pocket, one way or another.

That's why even talking about this stuff is important. This is as ripe of a time for change as ever. Between what happened at the debate Sunday and the MSM in meltdown mode trying to cover for every Hillary scandal that Trump went through, that whole wing of the establishment is teetering and with enough of a push it will topple. Bill Clinton sat in the audience, blushing, with his face in his hand. It was that bad. Even they are rattled.

Social media websites online are drawing larger crowds over all that MSM on TV now. So what we say online matters too. It matters more than what happens on TV, really. Hillary has sank over a million dollars into a super PAC called "Correct the Record" that does nothing but go around online spreading propaganda for Hillary on blogs and even in the comments sections of websites. So that's how much the Internet has come home to roost for them and like I said, they are teetering right now.

I suspect that we'll be seeing more about voter fraud as we approach November.

[turiya]

Even with all that, I'll be shocked if she doesn't "win".

She seems to have nearly the whole system in her pocket, one way or another.

That's why even talking about this stuff is important. This is as ripe of a time for change as ever. Between what happened at the debate Sunday and the MSM in meltdown mode trying to cover for every Hillary scandal that Trump went through, that whole wing of the establishment is teetering and with enough of a push it will topple. Bill Clinton sat in the audience, blushing, with his face in his hand. It was that bad. Even they are rattled.

Social media websites online are drawing larger crowds over all that MSM on TV now. So what we say online matters too. It matters more than what happens on TV, really. Hillary has sank over a million dollars into a super PAC called "Correct the Record" that does nothing but go around online spreading propaganda for Hillary on blogs and even in the comments sections of websites. So that's how much the Internet has come home to roost for them and like I said, they are teetering right now.

I suspect that we'll be seeing more about voter fraud as we approach November.

I see people are catching on...
I caught the following from the comments section of today's ZeroHedge Wikileaks article...


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/CORRECT_THE_RECORD_ZEROHEDGE_COMMENTS_SECTION.png

[bettye198]

Folks,
I am still voting for Trump, as he is the only possible candidate who can put a monkey wrench into the obnoxious situation the world finds itself in these days. Take a look at his astrology, for those of you who can read birth charts. He has sun conjunct Uranus, which explains his creativity, non-conformity and genius (yes, genius). Who else could have made mincemeat of Jeb Bush? Who else would have been brave enough to take on the Bushes and the C.I.A.? Remember, folks, they can still take him out. I have been wondering all along who is protecting him?

I studied his chart a few months back.
He has Moon in Sag ( why words fall out of his mouth without filter) Mercury in Cancer, ( softie) Jupiter in Libra ( good fortune) Saturn in cancer (diligent almost OCD) Venus in Cancer ( has a heart) Mars in Leo ( he will go after anyone), Uranus in Gemini, Neptune in Libra, Pluto in Leo, Sun conjunct Uranus ( creative and can manage) Pluto trine Moon ( nothing fazes him that is catastrophic) Saturn conjunct Venus ( loyal even to his ex wives!) Jupiter trine Sun ( he can think big and make it happen) Mars sextile Sun ( he can win where he puts his energy upon) Jupiter squares Saturn and Venus (Women issue uh oh, and we have all seen it, he does not like being told how to do something) Uranus oppose Moon ( he can get really pissed off) Pluto sextile Neptune, Mercury square Neptune ( he does not want anyone to tell him it cannot be done, all his dreams and plans) And by the way, he does not drink or smoke. My husband was born one month after Trump and he carries a lot of the same aspects. He is a warrior.

[greybeard]

Vivienne Westwood savages 'evil' Hillary Clinton
[Sky News]
Sky News12 October 2016

Dame Vivienne Westwood has branded Hillary Clinton "evil" and a "war mongerer" ahead of the US presidential election.

The British designer gave a pessimistic view of world politics in an interview with CNBC in which Theresa May, David Cameron and Tony Blair all came under fire.

But it was Mrs Clinton who provoked particular ire.

Dame Vivienne said: "To me, Hillary's evil, and I think she's a war mongerer. I don't expect the world to change with Hillary Clinton. I'm not pro-Trump.

"I would not vote for either of them ... If there's a Green person I would vote for the Green person. I wouldn't even pick Barack Obama over them, either."

:: US election: Latest polls

On the state of British politics under new Prime Minister Mrs May, the 75-year-old said: "She apparently wants to try to help people - she won't be able to, unless she starts to attack the money system, and first of all you need to bring in a green economy.

"If you want to be the same as everybody who came before you - David Cameron, Tony Blair - you're all the same ... what you've all got in common is you are all applying this terrible system which is not only making everybody poor, but even dying from the fumes in the air.

"All kinds of terrible - war, everything is caused by this system."

Asked what she would say if she could have 10 minutes alone with Mrs May, Dame Vivienne said: "What I want to tell Theresa May is, 'You could be the most wonderful woman in the world, you could be the most important person that ever trod on this planet. Because if you wanted you could turn it around.'"



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vivienne-westwood-savages-evil-hillary-clinton-235000929.html

[TargeT]

Good points here.. All hail the pantsuit and chief?

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[Eram]

Good points here.. All hail the pantsuit and chief?

7rr1Y9QZevY


There's one thing that this youtuber did not take into account.
It seems likely to me that Trump supporters are more fired up than Clinton supporters.... in general.
I wouldn't be suprized if a larger percentage of Trump supporters will acutaly go and vote.

No idea if it will tip the scales for him at this point, but it is an advantage that many seem to overlook when analysing the probablities.

[TargeT]

I wouldn't be suprized if a larger percentage of Trump supporters will acutaly go and vote.
No idea if it will tip the scales for him at this point, but it is an advantage that many seem to overlook when analysing the probablities.

Funny thing about how our elections work:

It doesn't really matter what "the people" vote for, the election is decided by the electoral college and has often times in the past gone "against" the popular vote (what the people voted for) or against what they said they would do (http://www.fairvote.org/faithless_electors).

[Eram]

I wouldn't be suprized if a larger percentage of Trump supporters will acutaly go and vote.
No idea if it will tip the scales for him at this point, but it is an advantage that many seem to overlook when analysing the probablities.

Funny thing about how our elections work:

It doesn't really matter what "the people" vote for, the election is decided by the electoral college and has often times in the past gone "against" the popular vote (what the people voted for) or against what they said they would do (http://www.fairvote.org/faithless_electors).

I think this time around, the popular vote can not be so easily ignored.

In both camps, there is a common sentiment of urgence, a "this is the moment that will decide whether good prevails or evil".

Ignoring the popular vote might easily lead to a civil war at this point in time.
Will they risk it?