Bob Dean Authenticity

[7alon]

Hey guys,

I've just recently been watching the Bob Dean interviews with Bill and Kerry. I feel so moved by his sincerity. To see him get choked up about the stuff that happened to him really hit me. Its exactly how I felt and still feel when I talk to people about my own experiences with my abilities that are surrounded by stigma.

I feel the same way when he says he has a love hate relationship with humanity. At 30 years of age I just feel so tired already of our issues, just knowing what we could be. It hurts so much, but doesn't mean I'm not going to keep trying and fighting for us, though :)

I can really feel his intentions in the video, a very genuine, yet conflicted man indeed. To be fair, who of us isn't conflicted once we learn the truth?

Fascinating that he talked about Lake Vostok having life in it when nothing was found yet in the msm. I followed it up and didn't find any threads for when they discovered this:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/587184.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3059337/What-lies-beneath-Network-salty-lakes-Antarctica-shed-light-climate-change-life-Mars.html

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/154785/20160429/massive-lake-discovered-beneath-antarctic-ice-may-be-teeming-with-life.htm

[DNA]

Can a brother be honest?


I sometimes think there can be no more beloved Project Avalon interviewee than Bob Dean.
Which is why it pains me to give my honest take on the guy.
Prepare yourselves because I do not share 7alon's sentiments.


I have a certain empathic ability which has proven quite useful in the arena of whistle blower interviewees.
I absolutely love watching interviews because the time spent watching an interview really allows me to gain a certain perspective on the person being interviewed, and that is normally boiled down to whether or not they are lying.


I have no ability to do this what so ever with Bob Dean.
This is because Bob Dean is without a doubt a sociopath, and sociopaths are incredibly difficult if not impossible to read because they don't feel stress about lying as the normal person does.
But I do have a rule with Sociopathic interviewees, and that is this, I discount them because I can't read them.
This is not limited to Bob Dean. This includes George Green, Ashayana Dean and Leo Zagami.
This isn't to say that all sociopaths are lying, this is just saying that sociopaths are impossible to read and my empathic ability gives me no ability to read them.


Furthermore I have one very specific problem with Bob Dean.
And that is this.
Nobody here would know who Bob Dean was if not for Wendelle Stevens.
Wendelle Stevens is the greatest contributer to UFO knowledge of all time in my point of view, and probably the foremost expert in the field.
Wendelle Stevens was very unique in so far as UFO researchers went, he belonged to NO groups or agencies.
Wendelle probably knew that these orginazations such as MUFON were infiltrated by intelligence agencies.
So what is an intelligence agency supposed to do? Especially when the world's foremost expert and self publisher on UFO's won't make himself available to scrutiny?
Enter Bob Dean.
Bob Dean literally moves into the house right next to Wendelle and befriends him as a result.
Bob dean just so happens to come from Naval Intelligence, Navel Intelligence is where UFO information was sent in the beginning back in the days of James Forestral, and shares information with Wendelle in this regard so that Wendelle makes the right introductions and now Bob Dean is being invited to the various UFO conferences and such.
I don't believe in these kind of coincidences. Bob Dean's charisma is in the super power category. Bob Dean would hands down be the best choice for this kind of mission in my opinion.
I'm of the opinion once in the intelligence community, always in the intelligence community.

[Tangri]

Can a brother be honest?


I sometimes think there can be no more beloved Project Avalon interviewee than Bob Dean.
Which is why it pains me to give my honest take on the guy.
Prepare yourselves because I do not share 7alon's sentiments.


But I do have a rule with Sociopathic interviewees, and that is this, I discount them because I can't read them.
This is not limited to Bob Dean. This includes George Green, Ashayana Dean and Leo Zagami.
This isn't to say that all sociopaths are lying, this is just saying that sociopaths are impossible to read and my empathic ability gives me no ability to read them.


Furthermore I have one very specific problem with Bob Dean.
And that is this.
Nobody here would know who Bob Dean was if not for Wendelle Stevens.
Wendelle Stevens is the greatest contributer to UFO knowledge of all time in my point of view, and probably the foremost expert in the field.
Wendelle Stevens was very unique in so far as UFO researchers went, he belonged to NO groups or agencies.
Wendelle probably knew that these orginazations such as MUFON were infiltrated by intelligence agencies.
So what is an intelligence agency supposed to do? Especially when the world's foremost expert and self publisher on UFO's won't make himself available to scrutiny?

I'm of the opinion once in the intelligence community, always in the intelligence community.

Wendelle Stevens was one of the Star Gate TV shows' script advisers.

[Sueanne47]

Lets face it, the only time anyone will really believe in UFO's and extraterrestrials is when TPTB ans NASA come clean and shows us what goes on in area 51. Up till then its all guess work wether to believe a whistleblower or not. :alien:

[Spellbound]

Bob Dean lost me when he said he was friends with Jesus in a past life. People say there's such a thing as UFO disease...making stuff up to keep people's attention over time. I love Bob Dean (he has a lot of charm)...I could probably sit and talk with him for hours...but when someone ultimately says they were friends with Jesus, I tune out.

Dave - Toronto

[Stryder]

Are we all at the middle just basic fallible beings?

Could his past life friends be described in the only words found in the moment. All whistle-blowers can be tuff. After all they are usually confirming a few things then take you just a bit further. At one point we all had same skepticism of at least a few of these subjects. As for the sociopath reading I just can't get there. while he very well may be-and quite possibly by no fault of his own but his experiences. Thats a powerful read through alot of electronic fuzz. True as it may or may not be. Given the amount of exposure this guy had to a world we just peek into, I'd say we should celebrate that he can still have love in his voice. With all he been witness to.
Said Without a denominational angle: I'd ask, if Jesus could be explained as love could the past life relationship be the reason why in this life he's talking to bill and kerry and not in some back room with the soros types?
-that's were my heart goes with the whole thing anyway

[7alon]

While I respect everybody's opinion to the best of my ability, I don't believe Bob Dean fits the description of a sociopath.. except the charm of course, but many people have that quality.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.



Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

[Bill Ryan]

This is because Bob Dean is without a doubt a sociopath

Jeez. :facepalm:

I bet you'd never dare to say that to his face.

[Daozen]

That's what I was thinking Bill...

Most of us have a sci-fi back-story here. No one can prove most of our claims either way. I evaluate people by what contributions they've made to the forum, and to the species in general. I've seen Bob post threads on Magnesium Bicarbonate, Pollution clearing technology, and Water purification. These are all solid contributions to the human race, and indicators of empathy. Those three technologies alone could alleviate suffering for millions, if not billions of people.

DNA, from the way I've seen you treat people here on several occasions I've seen far more evidence of sociopathic tendencies from yourself than Bob Dean. Aren't empaths supposed to talk to others respectfully? Of over 2000 members, and hundreds of thousands of posts, I've rarely seen anyone act as obnoxious and contemptuously as you have. Maybe you can scroll up to 7alons last post and see how many sociopath boxes you tick. We all have the sociopath gene to one extent or another. I just ate some chicken feet. Three of them.

What contribution have you made to the species, DNA? I see you throw the nuts-and-bolts-man phrase around. The first thing a nuts and bolts man worth his salt would do, would be to contribute something to the reconstruction of our broken social systems. Bob's done plenty, you've done much less.

Regarding factionalism and covert intelligence operatives, DNA; I saw you cheerleading a William Tompkins interview a while back. Tompkins is Wilcock's latest sock-puppet. David Wilcock has ripped off several investors, and has pushed fake story after fake story on the blogosphere. Supporting Wilcock in 2016 is -in my view - a clear indicator of factional alignment.

(BTW, I could care less who's aligned with what faction. I'll just let you guys slug it out between yourselves.)

If there are people who've made some deals in the past, I believe it's up to us to help them edge out of their agreements. I think there was a wave of grey hats that incarnated between the 1920s and 1970s. They joined the intelligence networks, and are now working for both sides, trying to wriggle out of their contracts. That's a tough job to incarnate into.

Before this thread turns into a galactic royal rumble, let me say that every human has sociopathic tendencies, and all of us have the ability to become empaths. So let us not sling labels around so freely. Carlos Castaneda said we all have one of three negative personality types, and correspond to one of 4 or 5 positive soul templates. Maybe the human path is the journey from sociopath to empath.

[DNA]

This is because Bob Dean is without a doubt a sociopath

Jeez. :facepalm:

I bet you'd never dare to say that to his face.


I wish there were a kinder word to use than sociopath. And for the record I do not agree with the listing and defining of sociopath as described by 7alon.
Two of my best friends in the entire world were sociopaths. One was of the articulant charismatic variety quite in the category of Bob Dean, the other was a very computer code cerebral type who you would consider to be the polar opposite of Bob Dean. I believe there are soul types and certain soul types will always be born sociopaths, it's just what they are, it doesn't mean they are going to be psychopaths.
Saying Bob Dean is a sociopath isn't a damning accusation, it's just acknowledging the reality of the situation.
I've never been in the presence of Bob Dean, but I'm betting that being in his presence is uplifting and creates a certain euphoria, almost a high if you will. I'm also betting that people feel as if they've known him for much longer than they have after hanging out with him.
This is the power of the charismatic sociopath, they have never been fully plugged into society and all of it's nuances.
Society has never fully programmed them, as such where as the normal person is constantly in a state of weighing various situations for what they will, judging themselves and others, charismatic sociopaths don't spend their energy doing this, they stay in a almost child like state, radiating their non-judgemental energy, and allowing others who are catching this energy to experience this reality in a state of non-judgement, non-judgement of themselves and non-judgement of others. It's a joy to be around someone like this, especially for someone as empathic as myself.
Carlos Castaneda's label of the Nagual is this type of sociopath, and the teacher in Castaneda's books known as Don Juan was most assuredly a sociopath of this type.
As was most likely Carlos Castaneda himself.
So yes, if I had the time to sit down with Bob Dean and I was actually capable of communicating some of this I would have no problem saying this to Bob Dean's face.
And I'm sure if I could find some common terminology in Bob Dean's language that allowed me to convey this with his understanding, he would probably agree with me.


Now all of this being said, sociopaths do not experience nervousness, anxiety, jitters and regret like the rest of us do.
And they do not get wired for social indoctrination like the rest of us do.
So back to my original point, I can't tell if a sociopath is lying or not, I just can't read them.

[shadowstalker]

Generally speaking

There are all lot of people that can not be read there is a reason for that, they are protected in some way, either by them selves or others are protecting them.
Please keep this in mind.

Generally speaking

[7alon]

Everybody is welcome to their opinion, lets just keep it as civil as possible when sharing them :)

[Sueanne47]

Negative comments shut down many threads. People can be so fixed in their views that is doesnt allow for further debate on the topic, and that can be very frustrating when you'd like a good lengthy discussion on the subject, I recently had this on the Trey Gowdy and Prince William threads I started.

Bob Dean to me, comes across as a very kind, considerate man who is concerned for us and the Earth. He has given us great insight about the good extraterrestrials and gives us hope.

[Spellbound]

Could his past life friends be described in the only words found in the moment.

When someone brings religion into things, I instantly become skeptical (in my opinion, religion was concept developed as a means to control the masses). Bob Dean is a UFO guy....not a prophet nor a man who once knew the son of God. By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me. Not saying I don't like him (I do). Not saying everything he says is bull**** (lots of what he says is likely very true). But don't bring religion into the mix. I was like....awwwe Bob, why'd you go and do that!!

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

DNA, from the way I've seen you treat people here on several occasions I've seen far more evidence of sociopathic tendencies from yourself than Bob Dean. Aren't empaths supposed to talk to others respectfully? Of over 2000 members, and hundreds of thousands of posts, I've rarely seen anyone act as obnoxious and contemptuously as you have. Maybe you can scroll up to 7alons last post and see how many sociopath boxes you tick. We all have the sociopath gene to one extent or another. I just ate some chicken feet. Three of them. Hi Daozen
You've been chomping at the bit for a chance like this. :)
For a review of why Daozen is angry with me, see this post here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73873-Contact-with-Agartha.-Project-Freedom.&p=1072616&viewfull=1#post1072616
I'll recap. Daozen had posted an area of Mt. Shasta and claimed it was an entrance to the inner earth on his Agartha thread. Bill Ryan then responded and knew exactly the picture that Daozen had posted, then Bill explained how this had nothing to do with the inner earth, but was instead a known service area.
So Daozen was kind of a jerk here and threw some of Bill Ryan's past in his face. Here is the quote.



Sure, not everything I have posted here is correct, Bill. Just so readers can see the context of this conversation, I never fell for either the Serpo or Atticus episodes, so we are all prone to going down blind alleys from time to time. I grabbed the photo from the net, and never bothered to do some deeper research into it.

But to look at it logically, just because one photo may be a fraud, that does not mean that a) the subterranean world does not exist, or b) there is not something going on in Mount Shasta.

To say that "one entrance is faked, therefore the underground world doesn't exist" is like saying "this ticket to an Elton John concert in Wembley Stadium is fake, therefore Wembley Stadium/Elton John doesn't exist." you cannot draw any firm conclusions either way from one isolated piece of evidence..

BTW, I found there are significant holes in the Sharula Dux story too. This does not invalidate any of my experiences with the Eastern Agartha network...

http://agarthanalliance.blogspot.tw/2015/05/sharula-dux-and-future-of-earth.html


So being as I felt Daozen was being an a$$, I called him out on it.
And this is why Daozen is so angry with me. He even repeats the "nuts and bolts" phrase I used in that one statement I linked.
But nice timing Daozen with the tenor of the thread and all. :)


And to answer your question about empaths, there is nothing holy or special about empaths. There are quite a few negatives that go along with being an empath. I could go into that.



Most of us have a sci-fi back-story here. No one can prove most of our claims either way. I evaluate people by what contributions they've made to the forum, and to the species in general. I've seen Bob post threads on Magnesium Bicarbonate, Pollution clearing technology, and Water purification. These are all solid contributions to the human race, and indicators of empathy. Those three technologies alone could alleviate suffering for millions, if not billions of people. Empathy has nothing to do with altruism. And just because my area of expertise has nothing to do with the technologies you talk about doesn't make me or anyone else a bad person. :sun:



What contribution have you made to the species, DNA? I see you throw the nuts-and-bolts-man phrase around. The first thing a nuts and bolts man worth his salt would do, would be to contribute something to the reconstruction of our broken social systems. Bob's done plenty, you've done much less. This again, is the regurgitation of my statement about "nuts and bolts", which pretty much shows Daozen has been stewing over a post I made June 3rd of this year. That was nearly five months ago. Daozen you are going to get ulcers for sure if you do not learn how to let things go brother. Five months, dude I've known people who've gotten over divorces quicker than that, for the love of God bro, let it go. :)
And if it was really eating you up, you should have pm'd me about it. I swear to God if you had told me that post messed with you that bad I would have apologized and erased it.
You referenced this post recently on Cartomancer's Shasta thread, and you mentioned something stating that you told DNA and Bill Ryan you would take a polygraph, and I still hadn't really talked with you for five months.
I don't know what you are talking about in terms of taking a polygraph.



I have no proof, but you are welcome to look at my testimonial if you wish. I've offered to take a polygraph, no one has taken me up on it. No one has yet disproved my account. I offered Bill Ryan and DNA to ask me fair, honest questions when they entered my thread at the start of the summer. No response was given. Readers can draw their own conclusions. The ball is firmly in their court.


Dude, none of us really have proof. It's all in the correlation of data. And I'm all about the correlation of data.



Regarding factionalism and covert intelligence operatives, DNA; I saw you cheerleading a William Tompkins interview a while back. Tompkins is Wilcock's latest sock-puppet. David Wilcock has ripped off several investors, and has pushed fake story after fake story on the blogosphere. Supporting Wilcock in 2016 is -in my view - a clear indicator of factional alignment LOL, I just ordered William Tompkins book. :)
I was introduced to William Tompkins through Linda Moulton Howe, and he sounds absolutely fascinating.
Tompkins is 92 years old, he was enlisted by the navy back in like 44' or something, and he began making models of UFO spacecraft from pictures the navy game him. He was later asked to help design the ships the navy was working on that would be deployed in space, so he helped design the secret space program.
If I could pick one guy for Bill Ryan to interview, it would be William Tompkins.
And just because Tompkins was interviewed by Wilcock does not automatically make him a criminal as you seem so ready to label the guy. The guy is probably just doing what his publisher is telling him to do. Give the guy a break, he is 92 years old after all. I'm sure he isn't privy to what has gone on with Wilcock the last few years.



Before this thread turns into a galactic royal rumble, let me say that every human has sociopathic tendencies, and all of us have the ability to become empaths. So let us not sling labels around so freely. Carlos Castaneda said we all have one of three negative personality types, and correspond to one of 4 or 5 positive soul templates. Maybe the human path is the journey from sociopath to empath Daozen, it is truly a sychronicity that I mentioned Castaneda in the post before this having been writing it and not having read your post yet. Daozen, you and I have more in common than you might think. You know I'm all about the inner earth stuff.
I think one way you and I are different, is that I speak my mind rather than hold on to things. Bro, for real, if you are pissed at me, pm me or something, get it off your chest.
I'm a big boy, I can take it.

Good day to all.
DNA/Marcus

[Daozen]

It's not just that post. It's the way you walk around labelling people. The words you apply to people are black-and-white. If you're going to call someone a sociopath, and label yourself as an empath, you better have all your ducks lined up. From your conduct here, I see no evidence of that.

Look how rude and sneering you are here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work&p=1069478&viewfull=1#post1069478

Would you speak to someone like that in a bar? There are several other examples, but I don't have the time or inclination to find them. I'm sorry, it's not just one post, it's something that has been getting under my skin for several months from a number of members. I'm sure there are those that don't like the way I come across. I'm working on my bad side, just like everyone here.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your back-pedalling.

[Billy]

Come on guys. Life is far too short for this conflict. Take a deep breath and raise the bar up a few notches.

[neutronstar]

Bob Dean lost me when he said he was friends with Jesus in a past life. People say there's such a thing as UFO disease...making stuff up to keep people's attention over time. I love Bob Dean (he has a lot of charm)...I could probably sit and talk with him for hours...but when someone ultimately says they were friends with Jesus, I tune out.

Dave - Toronto

He seems like a nice guy, but I have my doubts about him as well. I thought for a long time he was on the level, but i am not sure anymore. I don't know if he is a sociopath, psychopath or whatever, but somethings he has said has made me rethink my views of him.

And for the record, a lot of people really have a poor understanding about sociopaths and psychopaths. They aren't the evil monsters people think they are. They can be, but they can also be the nicest people you ever meet. They are great at manipulating people. They also make up a greater % of the population than many people think. A person could very easily have dated one and not have known it.

[Foxie Loxie]

Are we here to criticize? Is that what Avalon is about? As for Bob Dean, I would say that since Bill & Kerry had personal contact with him, & I have not, that I would believe what they thought about him. Does it really matter what you or I believe about ANYbody? What matters is our own personal journey & thanking the people who have helped us along in that journey, even though we may not be in agreement with each little thing they have stated. Can you help me out here, Running Dear?! :confused:

[Sueanne47]

DNA can be rather harsh, but he is very knowledgeable.

A lot of whistleblower's knowledge can be brushed off as 'tripe' ....only to find later on that certain aspects of what they said is true. Bob Dean is not the only person who has said that spaceships are miles long in length, Alex Collier said this too.

[RunningDeer]

Are we here to criticize? Is that what Avalon is about?
Can you help me out here, RunningDeer?! :confused:

I’m unable to find words today, Foxie Loxie. I’m flummoxed by how things quickly go south when they’ve come from a place of care and to help make a difference.

Here are snippets from last weekend (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93963-Excerpt-Quote-from-the-book-Advanced-Teachings-by-Mrs.-Endall-Beall&p=1107323&viewfull=1#post1107323) that may fit here:




"Drats, the thread went wonky. No blame. Sh!t happens. My take is: 1) these days there are a lot of energetics at work to keep us in the finite layers of ones and zeros 2) we’ve made enough progress that ego is fearful of unemployment. S/he’s bringing up a lot of crap and attack."



http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/smilies/ones-zeroes.gifhttp://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/smilies/ones-zeroes2_zpslb22i1s6.gifhttp://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/smilies/ones-zeroes_zpsda7ytmuu.gif

*******




"All is not lost. In terms of human dynamics, it’s a lesson of how we may be too quick to point out what’s wrong rather than extending patience to see what each has to offer. It’s a reminder that many of us need a safe space to test the waters over several posts."


*******



"In this testy energetic environment, it takes courage to not allow the vulnerable persona and the mind-chatter stop us from sharing our piece of this illusionary theater. I naively believe everyone can share without ego fingers clunking on keyboards. One of the biggest things I’ve learn at Avalon is that my expectations of friends and family have been too harsh. Speaking for myself, it’s tricky to state POVs without the extra-hot salsa. I assert I’ve got work to do with the judgement thing here and on the home turf."

♡

PS I like Bob Dean. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/love_zpsf2xfhigh.GIF

[neutronstar]

Are we here to criticize? Is that what Avalon is about? As for Bob Dean, I would say that since Bill & Kerry had personal contact with him, & I have not, that I would believe what they thought about him. Does it really matter what you or I believe about ANYbody? What matters is our own personal journey & thanking the people who have helped us along in that journey, even though we may not be in agreement with each little thing they have stated. Can you help me out here, Running Dear?! :confused:

The point of this thread was whether Bob Dean was on the level or not. He has come out as a whistleblower so yes, we do have the right to criticize him if someone does not buy his story.

As for Bill knowing him and believing what he thinks of him, that is a dangerous view to take. I don't personally know Bill, but he seems like a guy that wants to seek the truth and is not a disinfo agent. But he is just a man like me that can be deceived by others. Like I said earlier, Bob Dean seems like a really nice guy, but I have problems with his story. Just because I like him doesn't mean he is telling the truth.

[greybeard]

I found it hard to buy the story at the time---however thats my nature, I seem to need some conformation from a second source,
it does not mean to say that Bob Dean did not tell the truth.
Only he knows for sure.
Yes his nature is charismatic uplifting and he is lovable.
So with me its a "May be so."

Chris

[fourty-two]

I evaluate people by what contributions they've made to the forum, and to the species in general. I've seen Bob post threads on Magnesium Bicarbonate, Pollution clearing technology, and Water purification. These are all solid contributions to the human race, and indicators of empathy. Those three technologies alone could alleviate suffering for millions, if not billions of people.

Bob Dean of Bill and Kerry is not the same person referred to as the Avalon contributor to Bi-carb and Mg. That person is a totally different man.

[greybeard]

Bob Dean of Bill and Kerry is not the same person referred to as the Avalon contributor to Bi-carb and Mg. That person is a totally different man.

Our Bob started a thread on this
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86797-Magnesium-BiCarbonate-Water-a-guide-to-make&p=1019790&viewfull=1#post1019790

[Justplain]

I dont know Mr. Dean, nor Mr. Ryan, but Mr. Dean had the balls to reveal publicly that Nato had done a study on UFOs that could have gotten him into trouble due to his military secrecy oaths, i believe. He also released classified photos showing the heat signatures of communities under the surface of Mars. These two events give him credibility in my eyes.

I know Mz Cassidy can get fooled by charismatic characters (ie. Ashayana Dean), but i never saw much to discredit Kerry's admiration for the guy.

I am hard pressed to explain how Mr. Dean managed to move in next door to Mr. Stevens except perhaps it was a syncronicity that happened as per spiritual law. These times are very important and spirit may have forged this coincidence, since both Wendell and Bob Dean have been key figures in the disclosure movement.

Bob Dean has his place in the counter culture / truther / ufo pantheon. We are better off because of his participation.

[DNA]

It's not just that post. It's the way you walk around labelling people. The words you apply to people are black-and-white. If you're going to call someone a sociopath, and label yourself as an empath, you better have all your ducks lined up. From your conduct here, I see no evidence of that.

Look how rude and sneering you are here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work&p=1069478&viewfull=1#post1069478

Would you speak to someone like that in a bar? There are several other examples, but I don't have the time or inclination to find them. I'm sorry, it's not just one post, it's something that has been getting under my skin for several months from a number of members. I'm sure there are those that don't like the way I come across. I'm working on my bad side, just like everyone here.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your back-pedalling.


I call em like I see em.
Your probably not too fond of my take on Alex Collier being a fraud as well, but that is my take.
I try to keep my comments focused on the sources of information we are depending upon around here and I do my best not to make things personal. In the post you just quoted me from I had basically been asking the poster to source his material. He would not, as such his material began to come off like he was a guru trying to start a cult.
I'll continue to post as I do, and I'll probably continue to inadverdently insult children masquerading on the forum as men such as yourself. :)

[RunningDeer]

I am hard pressed to explain how Mr. Dean managed to move in next door to Mr. Stevens except perhaps it was a syncronicity that happened as per spiritual law. These times are very important and spirit may have forged this coincidence, since both Wendell and Bob have been key figures in the disclosure movement.

The summer of 1969, I was on an interview. The second phase of it was to go to the main headquarters, but I had no car. Minutes later, Paul walked into the main area. The secretary asked if he could give me a ride there and back.

Fast forward to the fall of 1969, my senior year of high school. I’m the new girl. I began dating Mike. One month later, I was invited to Sunday dinner and to meet his parents. Over dinner, Mike’s father asked if his son remembered him saying that he gave a young lady a ride to the interview and it would’ve been nice if he could've met her. Paul, his dad, said this is she.

Fast forward, Mike and I married. Paul was my father-in-law.

Fast forward, to my second marriage. My husband, son and myself rented a place. I invited my ex-mother-in-law over, i.e., Michael’s gramma. Unbeknown to anyone of us, the room my son slept in was the same room his father, Mike, slept in many years earlier. The family rented while their home was built.

A side note: Shortly after I met my second husband, he introduced me to his good friend. As it turned out, his friend was my homeroom teacher my senior year of high school. He let me take a power nap in homeroom and sent me off to class because I worked 3rd shift. I had my own apartment and it was my last year of high school. So after work, I’d scoot home to shower and scoot off to school. That interview I mentioned above for the job? The one where Paul (my future father-in-law) gave me a ride? That was the job.

Paul, my ex-father-in-law, passed away in the mid-1970’s. He still comes around every now and again.

It is one of many experiences along the way that taught me to stay open to all possibility. We don’t know what we don’t know.

♡

[Daozen]

DNA... I have no problem with people questioning or disbelieving Alex Collier, Bob Dean, myself or anyone making outlandish claims. I'm also fine with Bill/Dustin whoever pointing out any sloppy research I've done. I just notice the tone of posts like yours. They stick out. IMO, it's best to avoid talking down to someone, or calling them names like 'children', 'attention seeking middle child', 'sociopath', 'nutcase' whatever. Insulting someone from the safety of your keyboard does not help anyone. It seems underhand, from where I sit.

Avalon is a leafy glade, plz do not roll in and start bullhorning.

I've spent a lot of time online the last few months. If I'm not working, I'm learning Javascript, so some things get to me more than they should. Be who you want to be, but please consider how ugly it can feel to be on the end of condescension like that. In turn, I shall watch my tone, as I know I can come across somewhat vehement. My favourite Avalonians are people who can be assertive and respectful at the same time. It's a hard balance to strike, and I'm not there yet.

"American Empath in Scotland" may make a good documentary. You could just walk round Glasgow talking down to people. If you need a cameraman, PM me.

Mods requested we stop this, so I'll go do other things.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'll continue to post as I do, and I'll probably continue to inadverdently insult children masquerading on the forum as men such as yourself. :)
As we both know and I suspect have both experienced, sometimes our awareness of what's really going on outruns our ability to express it, in a way that does more good than harm.

Then it can sometimes be better to wait, for either our own ability to express our insights, or others ability to hear them, to catch up with each other.

... sometimes :)

We are each individually responsible, in my view, for making the call as to when is such a time.

(and sometimes, while waiting, our awareness changes ... the possibilities are endless.)

[DNA]

DNA... I have no problem with people questioning or disbelieving Alex Collier, Bob Dean, myself or anyone making outlandish claims.


Look, I could have answered any and all of your questions concerning my take on Bob Dean, but you decided to go on the attack, you attacked myself instead of question my rational. I understand my take here was a bit extreme, but if afforded the opportunity I felt that I could have painted a mural capable of imparting my understanding on the subject.





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I'm also fine with Bill/Dustin whoever pointing out any sloppy research I've done. I just notice the tone of posts like yours. They stick out. IMO, it's best to avoid talking down to someone, or calling them names like 'children', 'attention seeking middle child', 'sociopath', 'nutcase' whatever. Insulting someone from the safety of your keyboard does not help anyone. It seems underhand, from where I sit.
Really? Dude you are about as sensitive as they come.
When Bill pointed out your quote unquote underground passage into Agartha was nothing more than a modern technological convienance you reacted like he stood you up on prom.
And your continued need to act out over something I posted FIVE MONTHS AGO is further proof in my eyes that you don't get out much, kind of lends one to believe you are emotionally stunted like a child if you will.


[
Avalon is a leafy glade, plz do not roll in and start bullhorning.
I guess I need to tip toe around the sensitive types who are constantly getting their feelings hurt such as yourself.
YOU are the one who came bullhorning into this thread attacking me. My opening statement had nothing to do with you, you simply saw the opportunity to act out because Bill had disagreed with my initial statement.
Was your attack on me justified because you were apparently acting like some kind of knight defending the good name of Bob Dean? Apparently Bill Ryan thinks so, so I guess you have that going for you.


Bill, I know you and the mods are reading this. I'm not going to sugar coat things. You need folks on this forum who disagree with you from time to time. There is nothing wrong with disagreement when it leads to dialogue where both sides are capable of fully engaging and discussing things according to their point of view. I was just getting started with my initial repsonse to Bill, and although that post seems to have been lost by the wayside I feel it shows I was quite capable of expanding on this topic.
I feel I could have fleshed out my feelings on the topic and engaged with folks who felt differently.
There was no way I was going to be able to proceed with Daozen making attacks on me that are based on a five month old post, which I think I proved without a shadow of a doubt is the case here.
How is attacking someone over a five month old post not hijacking a thread?


Bill the fact you thanked Daozen for his posts which attacked me, send me one message. And that is that Bob Dean is some kind of holy vassal that never a discouraging word must be posted about.
As such Daozen has been anointed the champion of the king if you will. Atleast in so far as this thread is concerned.


[I've spent a lot of time online the last few months. If I'm not working, I'm learning Javascript, so some things get to me more than they should.
Dude, you are holding on to something that happened five months ago. To me, that says you haven't been laid in a while.
My suggestion to you, is get off of the computer put down the java, get a beer or two and see if you can't meet a female.
Or male, whatever floats your boat.



[Be who you want to be, but please consider how ugly it can feel to be on the end of condescension like that. In turn, I shall watch my tone, as I know I can come across somewhat vehement. My favourite Avalonians are people who can be assertive and respectful at the same time. It's a hard balance to strike, and I'm not there yet.
It is only ugly when you don't have a life and you dwell on things ad infinitum.


["American Empath in Scotland" may make a good documentary. You could just walk round Glasgow talking down to people. If you need a cameraman, PM me.

Mods requested we stop this, so I'll go do other things.


Or we could make the documentary about "A Scotish Puss in America". We could walk around college town and you could keep getting offended talking all night long about the tone of that guy online who said something on your thread five months ago.



Mods and Bill I'm fine with stopping this tit for tat thing. But don't act like this last post by Daozen was anything less than an attempt to get the last word in. As is also the case with my last post here, but atleast I'm honest enough to admit it. :)

[Fellow Aspirant]

When someone brings religion into things, I instantly become skeptical.

Sure, be skeptical. Just don't equate a single being like Jesus Christ with "religion". The two are not synonymous. They are not one and the same. If Bob Dean wants to claim a personal relationship with Jesus, then stop and consider what that means. Don't make Bob Dean, or Jesus for that matter, responsible for the ensuing human trainwreck that was and is "religion".

Brian



Could his past life friends be described in the only words found in the moment.

When someone brings religion into things, I instantly become skeptical (in my opinion, religion was concept developed as a means to control the masses). Bob Dean is a UFO guy....not a prophet nor a man who once knew the son of God. By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me. Not saying I don't like him (I do). Not saying everything he says is bull**** (lots of what he says is likely very true). But don't bring religion into the mix. I was like....awwwe Bob, why'd you go and do that!!

Dave - Toronto

[Matthew]

Seeds of doubt are useful. Doesn't mean we suddenly believe the polar opposite. It lets us review old information in a new light and gives us a chance to be objective again. In my opinion this is a good thing.

[Daozen]

Thanks for your kind letter, DNA. It was not one, but 3 or more occasions I was writing about, the most recent of which was last night. Now members can read our posts and make up their own minds. ||| If I want to become a good programmer, I need to spend a lot of the next 6-24 months staring at a screen, no other way round it. I don't drink, have been happily with my gf for 3 years, and go all over the place when I get free time. Thanks to mods for just leaving this thread be, and letting everyone speak their mind freely.

[Ernie Nemeth]

What I have learned, above all else, is that no one has all the answers, not even me.

Even though I don't know all the answers I am still capable of at least accidentally hitting on a few pertinent points from time to time. And I claim no authority.

Bob Dean is a big old teddy bear. I don't ever remember him claiming to know it all. He shared with us some of what he knew or experienced. None of what he said was ever refuted or proved false. To question his reputation because of some misconstrued favorable circumstance seems like a stretch.

But like Bob Dean, I respect DNAs opinion. He's no slouch either.

Don't even know why I chimed in here. Not my place but I'll let it stand.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks to mods for just leaving this thread be, and letting everyone speak their mind freely.

Including the mods themselves.

This is a slightly redacted copy of the mods Skype chat literally a few minutes ago, posted here with the others' consent.





Bill: Let's hope DNA has just been having a bad week. His posts recently have been pretty sharp and inflammatory, some bordering on absolutely not okay at all.

____ : Good morning :sun:
Yes, I hope DNA is just going through a rough patch, and he’ll get over it. The saying "suffer fools gladly" came to mind when I was reading his posts. If he thinks someone’s a fool, he doesn’t suffer them gladly.

____ : New member 7alon started the "Bob Dean Authenticity" thread, and then DNA was first to reply. Perhaps DNA’s sharp edge has been checked by not wanting to be the nail that sticks up and gets hammered. He may have been emboldened by someone else starting the thread.

Bill: I've been sitting on my hands re the Bob Dean thing, after my one one-line reply. I knew Bob Dean quite well (he is now extremely infirm and may not be with us too much longer)... spent a lot of time with him, on and off record. A most wonderful man, heart of gold, very brave, and totally genuine.

Threads like that should be saved for the likes of Steven Greer. :facepalm:

(who is a snake, and maybe even a real one)

____: Bill, you could post what you just said about Bob: "I knew Bob Dean quite well... totally genuine."

Bill: I was just thinking that. So far, I've been waiting for other members to speak up. Some skepticism is called for (in some cases, total skepticism!) re whistleblowers in general, but OMG, they have the wrong target here. There's a long list of others who deserve scrutiny before Bob Dean does.

For example (this is an interesting exercise): Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, Steven Greer, Andy Basiago, Laura Eisenhower, Randy Kramer, Bill Tompkins (even him: his resumé checks out, but his information is unbelievable), Alex Collier (who I’ve met and was very impressed by, but I don't believe all his info either), M T Keshe, Bill Cooper, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Leo Zagami, Lou Baldin, Max Spiers, and even Jordan Maxwell (who does have some of his etymological analysis quite wrong).

And, importantly for us all now, maybe Tom DeLonge, who might be unwittingly part of a large military-intel opportunistic psyop that was handed to them on a silver platter.

There’ll be many more, too. Bob Dean is about 250th low down in priority (or lower!) on that “should be scrutinized” list.

[DNA]

Thanks to mods for just leaving this thread be, and letting everyone speak their mind freely.

Including the mods themselves.

This is a slightly redacted copy of the mods Skype chat literally a few minutes ago, posted here with the others' consent.





Bill: Let's hope DNA has just been having a bad week. His posts recently have been pretty sharp and inflammatory, some bordering on absolutely not okay at all.

____ : Good morning :sun:
Yes, I hope DNA is just going through a rough patch, and he’ll get over it. The saying "suffer fools gladly" came to mind when I was reading his posts. If he thinks someone’s a fool, he doesn’t suffer them gladly.

____ : New member 7alon started the "Bob Dean Authenticity" thread, and then DNA was first to reply. Perhaps DNA’s sharp edge has been checked by not wanting to be the nail that sticks up and gets hammered. He may have been emboldened by someone else starting the thread.

Bill: I've been sitting on my hands re the Bob Dean thing, after my one one-line reply. I knew Bob quite well (he is now extremely infirm and may not be with us too much longer)... spent a lot of time with him, on and off record. A most wonderful man, heart of gold, very brave, and totally genuine.

Threads like that should be saved for the likes of Steven Greer. :facepalm:

(who is a snake, and maybe even a real one)

____: Bill, you could post what you just said about Bob: "I knew Bob quite well... totally genuine."

Bill: I was just thinking that. So far, I've been waiting for other members to speak up. Some skepticism is called for (in some cases, total skepticism!) re whistleblowers in general, but OMG, they have the wrong target here. There's a long list of others who deserve scrutiny before Bob does.

For example (this is an interesting exercise): Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, Steven Greer, Andy Basiago, Laura Eisenhower, Randy Kramer, Bill Tompkins (even him: his resumé checks out, but his information is unbelievable), Alex Collier (who I’ve met and was very impressed by, but I don't believe all his info either), M T Keshe, Bill Cooper, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Leo Zagami, Lou Baldin, Max Spiers, and even Jordan Maxwell (who does have some of his etymological analysis quite wrong).

And, importantly for us all now, maybe Tom DeLonge, who might be unwittingly part of a large military-intel opportunistic psyop that was handed to them on a silver platter.

There’ll be many more, too. Bob Dean is about 250th low down in priority (or lower!) on that “should be scrutinized” list.



Look, I've made two separate points here, the first being that Bob Dean is a sociopath. If folks here are that shocked and in disbelief that Bob Dean is a sociopath I don't know what to tell you. I'm in disbelief that no one else here can see this.
I'm also shocked that so many folks think calling someone a sociopath is necessarily a bad thing.
I can tell when I've run into a brick wall so to speak, and given the present view on this terminology, there is a real reflex here. I'm battling a losing cause in trying to make myself understood on this point, so I will give up on this cause and respectfully withdraw my pursuit on this matter.


My second point would be in pointing out that Bob Dean is a life long intelligence operative for the Navy. And that he just through coincidence bought a house next to Wendelle Stevens and moved into it.
This doesn't strike folks as odd?
I've read his wife Marcia Schafer's book, and I've talked to her as well. Something about her didn't add up with me.
In my opinion her book didn't really offer anything, and her persona didn't seem to match what I expected from someone who had wrote that book.
There is a 30 year difference in age between Marcia and Bob Dean. Doesn't that kind of strike folks as a tad odd?
This struck me as a pre-arranged marriage so to speak, between one intelligence operative and another.


So that is that.
I will end my attempt to converse on the subject of Bob Dean on this thread.
I'm not looking for converts, I was only looking to engage in conversation with folks who may have seen something similar. Being as I appear to be completely alone on this one I guess I will shut the hell up now. :)
Good day to all. :handshake:

[Spellbound]

When someone brings religion into things, I instantly become skeptical.

Sure, be skeptical. Just don't equate a single being like Jesus Christ with "religion". The two are not synonymous. They are not one and the same. If Bob Dean wants to claim a personal relationship with Jesus, then stop and consider what that means. Don't make Bob Dean, or Jesus for that matter, responsible for the ensuing human trainwreck that was and is "religion".

Brian



Could his past life friends be described in the only words found in the moment.

When someone brings religion into things, I instantly become skeptical (in my opinion, religion was concept developed as a means to control the masses). Bob Dean is a UFO guy....not a prophet nor a man who once knew the son of God. By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me. Not saying I don't like him (I do). Not saying everything he says is bull**** (lots of what he says is likely very true). But don't bring religion into the mix. I was like....awwwe Bob, why'd you go and do that!!

Dave - Toronto

For years Bob Dean spoke about UFO's, ET's, and the gov't coverup....and I was on board for that. Then all of a sudden in recent years he comes forth saying he was friends with the so called son of God?? Sorry, I don't buy that. For me (and probably others) this was a very big red flag for his credibility. It's as if this was an afterthought or something (as I said, UFO disease....gotta give them something new to chew on). Anything he says now is tainted, imo.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me.

Well, that may be a simplistic view.

I'd say that someone who's willing to publicly disclose their own intensely personal, subjective, past life experiences is showing maybe quite some courage. (Anyone else here willing to do that? :) )

I know one Avalon member very well who has clear recall of being the wife of Joseph of Arimathea, and I know another person (not a member, but a very experienced past life therapist) who has recall of being one of Jesus' younger brothers. Neither of them have ever said anything publicly about this, make no claims, and don't see it as any big deal.

I wasn't around in the Holy Land at that time (as best I know), but I do have clear memories of being a large, affable, bearded, Jewish-French priest (with very large hands, I particularly remember), who received Mary Magdalene near Narbonne in 37 AD, and escorted her to safety, for a number of years, with a small group in Rennes-les-Bains (not Rennes-le-Château, interestingly).

I too make no claims for that, and it's just curious, unprovable stuff. (Rather like data received in a remote viewing session: it needs to be cross-correlated, if possible, with other 'hard' information, and may not be all that valuable on its own.)

Dolores Cannon wrote a little book called Jesus and the Essenes (PDF here (http://projectavalon.net/DoloresCannon_Jesus_and_the_Essenes.pdf)), about her own experience regressing a client who (to their astonishment!) recalled being a young student -- with the young Jesus -- in an Essene community. It's well worth the read.

Are people who talk about such things liars? Very unlikely. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it real? Impossible to know. Does it somehow discredit anything else they say? Absolutely not.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

I've read his wife Marcia Schafer's book, and I've talked to her as well. Something about her didn't add up with me.

In my opinion her book didn't really offer anything, and her persona didn't seem to match what I expected from someone who had wrote that book.
I have Marcia Schafer’s book, Spirconomics: How to Snatch Back the Future. With the by-line: How a Hidden Demographic will Reshape the Emerging World.

I purchased it after an interview she did with Bob Dean. Her business acumen comes through in her writing style. Schafer states her points without the repetitive blather.

[greybeard]

I think that its healthy that there are people on the forum who speak their mind and thanks to DNA fro that.
I don't believe100% of what Bob Dean says--but its a feeling rather than any opposing evidence.
DNA and I have crossed paths but I think we have both benefited from honest, respectful exchange, both of us open to logic and suggested alternative ways of perceiving.

Chris

[regnak]

Bill Ryan well Max Spiers is sadly not with us anymore while his death is not in question much question are asked how he died and why he died . Well as for his information i say let him rest in peace .:angel:


Max Spiers: Why was conspiracy theorist's computer wiped?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/77649/max-spiers-was-conspiracy-theorist-poisoned-by-satanists



Bill: I was just thinking that. So far, I've been waiting for other members to speak up. Some skepticism is called for (in some cases, total skepticism!) re whistleblowers in general, but OMG, they have the wrong target here. There's a long list of others who deserve scrutiny before Bob does.

For example (this is an interesting exercise): Corey Goode, Simon Parkes, Steven Greer, Andy Basiago, Laura Eisenhower, Randy Kramer, Bill Tompkins (even him: his resumé checks out, but his information is unbelievable), Alex Collier (who I’ve met and was very impressed by, but I don't believe all his info either), M T Keshe, Bill Cooper, David Wilcock, Ben Fulford, Leo Zagami, Lou Baldin, Max Spiers, and even Jordan Maxwell (who does have some of his etymological analysis quite wrong).

And, importantly for us all now, maybe Tom DeLonge, who might be unwittingly part of a large military-intel opportunistic psyop that was handed to them on a silver platter.

There’ll be many more, too. Bob Dean is about 250th low down in priority (or lower!) on that “should be scrutinized” list.

[DNA]

DNA... At times, the candor is too hot for me. You and a few others on the forum, remind me of why some in my life are no longer a part of it. The communication style that felt like winner-takes-all was a drain.


I can't remember the last time the messenger was the discussion more than the message.

I Remember the title of this thread as "Bob Dean Authenticity".
If I had known this thread was really titled "Is DNA an a$$hole" I would have started off with a gentler post. :)
If you folks will review, before I was attacked I was completely on topic 100%, the only problem was I was not a Bob Dean cheerleader, I was giving my honest view on the topic which is "Bob Dean's Authenticity".
Then Daozen attacked me personally. And rather than a mod showing up and stating "hey this is a personal attack, we need to keep this on topic", which was a fairly simple matter, instead the personal attacks were allowed and seemingly encouraged.
Daozen was then seemingly emboldened by what he viewed as a green light.

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

[neutronstar]

=Bill Ryan;
Are people who talk about such things liars? Very unlikely.



I would have to disagree with you on that one Bill, well sort of. Liars, maybe not. Recalling something that actually happened, probably not.

I have listened to a lot of people who do past life regression and they say they never get people who were famous in past lives. But a lot of people get a feeling they were someone famous, but when they go into regression it turns out they weren't. The Ego always wants to be important and it plays tricks on us all.

When you do the numbers there are very few famous people compared to the rest of the population, it would seem the odds don't add up that there are so many people that were famous in past lives.

I don't remember my past lives but if I did I would be happy to share them, but I would also say that how could I be sure it was a real memory, or just something my ego wants to be true. I don't believe I was anyone famous either.:bigsmile:

[Spellbound]

By saying he was a friend of Jesus in a past life, he instantly lost credibility with me.

Well, that may be a simplistic view.

I'd say that someone who's willing to publicly disclose their own intensely personal, subjective, past life experiences is showing maybe quite some courage. (Anyone else here willing to do that? :) )

I know one Avalon member very well who has clear recall of being the wife of Joseph of Arimathea, and I know another person (not a member, but a very experienced past life therapist) who has recall of being one of Jesus' younger brothers. Neither of them have ever said anything publicly about this, make no claims, and don't see it as any big deal.

I wasn't around in the Holy Land at that time (as best I know), but I do have clear memories of being a large, affable, bearded, Jewish-French priest (with very large hands, I particularly remember), who received Mary Magdalene near Narbonne in 37 AD, and escorted her to safety, for a number of years, with a small group in Rennes-les-Bains (not Rennes-le-Château, interestingly).

I too make no claims for that, and it's just curious, unprovable stuff. (Rather like data received in a remote viewing session: it needs to be cross-correlated, if possible, with other 'hard' information, and may not be all that valuable on its own.)

Dolores Cannon wrote a little book called Jesus and the Essenes (PDF here (http://projectavalon.net/DoloresCannon_Jesus_and_the_Essenes.pdf)), about her own experience regressing a client who (to their astonishment!) recalled being a young student -- with the young Jesus -- in an Essene community. It's well worth the read.

Are people who talk about such things liars? Very unlikely. Is it interesting? Yes. Is it real? Impossible to know. Does it somehow discredit anything else they say? Absolutely not.

:focus:

Hi Bill,

Apologies if that ruffled a few feathers....but that's how I feel in regards to Bob Dean. Bob Dean talked for years about UFO related stuff and then later on he brings up knowing Jesus?? Why did he not bring that up earlier (or did he suddenly come to this realization)?? As I said previously, I do believe much of Bob Dean has said through the years....but that Jesus bit was a bit over the top, for me anyways. As simplistic as that may be....that's how I feel. When someone says they were once friends with the so called son of God....I tune out.

Dave - Toronto

[neutronstar]

DNA... At times, the candor is too hot for me. You and a few others on the forum, remind me of why some in my life are no longer a part of it. The communication style that felt like winner-takes-all was a drain.


I can't remember the last time the messenger was the discussion more than the message.

I Remember the title of this thread as "Bob Dean Authenticity".
If I had known this thread was really titled "Is DNA an a$$hole" I would have started off with a gentler post. :)
If you folks will review, before I was attacked I was completely on topic 100%, the only problem was I was not a Bob Dean cheerleader, I was giving my honest view on the topic which is "Bob Dean's Authenticity".
Then Daozen attacked me personally. And rather than a mod showing up and stating "hey this is a personal attack, we need to keep this on topic", which was a fairly simple matter, instead the personal attacks were allowed and seemingly encouraged.
Daozen was then seemingly emboldened by what he viewed as a green light.

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

I don't know your style of posting very well, but I don't really care how people come across. This is a message board and words alone are a very bad form of communication. Not everyone has a talent of getting their point across in writing. Because of this I try not to judge people to harshly on message boards.

I have to say in this thread I have to side with you. I don't see what you said is all that bad. It is your view, I can respect that.

Bob Dean is a nice guy and some of the people on this forum know him personally, so that is going to cause backlash. People have a hard time taking emotion out of a debate. I try not to let my emotions get in the way of critical thinking. So you and I wont have any problems for future reference.

[Sierra]

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it. Seems to be a cycle with you DNA. When you first came back to the forum recently, I thought your posts were reasoned, intelligent, stuck to the topic, not rude or contemptuous. I was impressed. But you've been getting increasingly nasty and impatient, a result of frustration, I suspect.

Okay, your serious question: A good example is Onawah, on the topic of Simon Parkes, where Onawah clearly, and for multiple threads, vehemently disagreed with Bill Ryan's views. But she was consistently polite, so her multiple (at least five, if not more) threads went on for weeks. I was exhausted myself BUT, in the last thread, with the assistance of Araucaria, the focus of the conversation shifted to an analysis of mantid and reptilian aspects of hybrid humanity. It died shortly thereafter, but it still exists as an excellent topic to jump start a future conversation.

Just my mod .02. :)

[Sunny-side-up]

There are multiple stories within multiple stories being played out at the moment.
What and or who is true?
You/we have to be multiple readers coming at these stories from many angles. Which ever resonates with you go for it.

I don't believe 100% of what anyone says in this game/play especially within in the paranormal. Especially if they have had contact with military and secrete positions. Who can say what is real these days and who can say they are clean of interference of hidden programming upon them?

Not picking fights here, just want to know your opinions:
just adding this:

Sociopaths, Psychopaths aren't the evil monsters people think they are. They can be, but they can also be the nicest people you ever meet. They are great at manipulating people.
Jesus fits many aspects ha!

If you believe we are all connected, we are one consciousness and that time and space are all here and now, past lives etc. Well we have all met Jesus and or the entity known as Jesus, we have all played these parts or been part of that play. We can all experience the 'Christ - Consciousness'


http://www.eceti.org/Originaleceti.jpg
http://www.eceti.org/Jhames Gill

DNA, Spellbound, others what do you think of James Gilliland?

[7alon]

While DNA makes interesting points about these coincidences, there is no doubt in my mind that these coincidences occur all the time for many of us. I believe a lot of these coincidences happen for reasons we don't fully comprehend.

While I won't go into any detail for now, I am connected by coincidence to a few significant people myself. People which have aided me in my path to finding an answer for this feeling like I have something important to do; something which has been nagging at me since my earliest memories. I'll give you one example: A friend of mine that I've grown up with is an IT engineer who is a really really great friend/person. He works for Lockheed Martin on stuff contracted to the Government. For sometime when he first started, he lived up in Alice Springs doing this work he couldn't and still doesn't talk about.

He currently works 2 weeks on and off doing the same job for the same people and flies over from South Australia to Western Australia to do the work. One time I joked around and said something like "I bet you get to see all the cool aliens and spaceships". We normally joke around a lot, but this time he just didn't even respond. There were a handful of us just talking at the time and he just blended back into somebody else's discussion as if I had never said anything. I've never seen him act that way before, and didn't pursue it.

The fact that I am connected to people like this and have unique abilities myself is quite a coincidence, but I've known this guy since school and his family didn't work for the Government either, so it wasn't set up or anything. Unreal stuff truly can 'just happen', and many people don't to talk about it, they are scared.. myself included. For God's sake I just found out less than a week ago that I can heal ailments with my hands. I was in such shock I really didn't even want to share it with even this community, but I did because people here have done the same, and I can't just sit and watch a world full of suffering. I want people to know there is hope and there are truly amazing things that exist in this world that aren't being publicly acknowledged.... even if it is just my word, I know it still means something to the people here.

I believe People like Bob Dean feel the same way, and I believe I felt and saw that in his sadness. I can tell you now that with this empathic ability I have, I have felt thoughts and feelings of Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, Pete Peterson, David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Bob Dean and Leo Kagami (edit forgot 'Henry Deacon'). They are the only people I can feel so far in relation to Project Camelot interviews and its not all happy sunshine stuff either. I will elaborate privately if people wish to know that badly.

I will say for everybody to see that Bill and Kerry are very kind people with no intent of deceit. Kerry may be driven by anger to pursue the truth, but the anger is only because she cares so deeply. She is, like many of us, upset that things are being unfairly kept from us and in turn, in her eyes, causing a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

[greybeard]

As far as past life goes, through hypnosis not just your past life but others can be accessed --who is to verify that the past life you find is yours?
Look at Dolores work--other "people" came through her subject
If you want to go deeply into spiritual you could say there is only consciousness and that being shared, many things can be found particularly through hypnosis, sleep or lucid dreaming.
So Bob Dean may truthfully have come up with past life experiences that he can declare is his, but it may be shared experience.
Hope that does not muddy the water.

Chris

PsI had not seen Sunnyside post before writing this---coincidence Lol

Ch

[neutronstar]

As far as past life goes, through hypnosis not just your past life but others can be accessed --who is to verify that the past life you find is yours?
Look at Dolores work--other "people" came through her subject
If you want to go deeply into spiritual you could say there is only consciousness and that being shared, many things can be found particularly through hypnosis, sleep or lucid dreaming.
So Bob Dean may truthfully have come up with past life experiences that he can declare is his, but it may be shared experience.
Hope that does not muddy the water.

Chris

Yes, you muddied the waters. I will muddy them even further by saying we all one, so all our lives are really the same.:sherlock:

[Verdilac]

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

Others have roughly mentioned in this thread what I'm about to say.

I'm glad DNA has mentioned this btw as it shows how open the forum can be.

When you interview and have in depth conversations with someone, namely Bob Dean as mentioned in this thread, you get a feel for the person .

Its hard for some to explain but others would call it an energetical interaction/ exchange, I would trust this above everything personally but having said that, you do have to be careful.

I had an interaction will Bill many years ago when I was young:thumbsup:, before secondary school tried to brainwash me.:(

I trust what my younger self felt that day even though I did not fully understand it or what was really happening at the time.

As I result I trust what Bill is trying to achieve with his life and works, and whilst I may not agree with everything that happens on the forum and the decisions taken I do trust things are heading in a positive direction most of the time.

So I would trust His view of Bob Dean for the record and would love to see some of the outtakes from the interviews that were conducted with him as he seemed to have a lot more to share than time permitted.

[RunningDeer]

Deleted. I understand the question asked was rhetorical.

[onawah]

On the subject of past life regression, as I understand it, certain very significant lifetimes of individuals have been available to others for "auditing" in between incarnations.
For example, perhaps before Bob Dean incarnated as Bob Dean in this lifetime, when he was out of body and deciding on what he wanted to do in his coming lifetime, he decided it would be useful to monitor the life of one of Jesus's disciples, so that he (Bob Dean) could get a better idea of what Jesus was really all about, for whatever reason.
He could elect to experience part or all of one of Jesus's disciple's life subjectively, as though he were actually experiencing it.
Such a monitoring could cover years of the disciple's life, and yet be experienced in that out of body state by the one monitoring it in a very brief amount of linear time, but the essence of that experiencing could still be captured for the purpose of learning.
Which explains why many people claim to have past life memories of the lifetimes of such souls as the disciples of Jesus, and genuinely believe it.
I am not saying that I think Bob Dean was not actually the person he says he was, who was well acquainted with Jesus--in fact, I would not be surprised if his claim is accurate.
In my view, Jesus was a real person and a revolutionary, as were his disciples, and I would expect those souls today would be doing such work such as Bob Dean has been doing in this life, which is both revolutionary and of global importance.
As for his timing with that revelation, it's quite common for people to wait until they are near death to reveal things about their lives that they never wanted to reveal before.
And as for sociopaths being difficult to read, that may be so, but other people can be difficult to read as well, for reasons of their own.
I used to go to the Berkeley Psychic Institute for readings and classes, and it was not uncommon for even very experienced and talented psychics to be unable to read certain individuals, not because they were sociopaths or psychopaths, but simply because those individuals wanted certain things to remain private.
But when the time was right, and they were ready to have something looked at, the barriers would go down, and they would get a reading.

[DNA]

It's not so much what you say, it's how you say it. Seems to be a cycle with you DNA. When you first came back to the forum recently, I thought your posts were reasoned, intelligent, stuck to the topic, not rude or contemptuous. I was impressed. But you've been getting increasingly nasty and impatient, a result of frustration, I suspect.
Is the jury going to come forward one by one to issue their verdict?
If you folks seriously had a problem with my posting shouldn't you folks have pm'd me, or let me know that the posts in question was unacceptable?
The only post that comes to mind in the last few months was a post I made addressing Cartomancer for what I felt was an amazingly insulting post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94026-Mount-Shasta-s-Forgotten-History-Legends&p=1108402&viewfull=1#post1108402
My review of that post leads me to believe I was perfectly within bounds.
Unless you site instances of my incredible rudeness I'm left without really being able to defend myself.
I'm also kind of left with the idea that the moderation team is presently grasping at straws in an attempt to validate their irrational defense of a whistleblower who is not a member of this forum, of whom I should have the freedom to express my appreciation of or lack there of.



Okay, your serious question: A good example is Onawah, on the topic of Simon Parkes, where Onawah clearly, and for multiple threads, vehemently disagreed with Bill Ryan's views. But she was consistently polite, so her multiple (at least five, if not more) threads went on for weeks. I was exhausted myself BUT, in the last thread, with the assistance of Araucaria, the focus of the conversation shifted to an analysis of mantid and reptilian aspects of hybrid humanity. It died shortly thereafter, but it still exists as an excellent topic to jump a future conversation.
Just my mod .02. :)

Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time, I had to leave the forum to go to another forum where victims of Simon and those with dissenting opinions were allowed to discuss Simon Parks and criticize him and his ways.
This happened on your watch Sierra, this happened on your watch Paul, and what did you guys do? You guys sat on your hands and did nothing.


This forum needs folks who have the balls to voice a dissenting opinion from time to time.
The mods certainly do not, and understandably the mods are here to make sure the forum is run according to how Bill wants it run.
But that is why this forum needs folks who speak their mind regardless of who is being offended.
I'm certainly not the gunslinger around these parts you guys are making me out to be, but for you guys to act as if I"M a problem with how few waves I make, then maybe you should stop and ponder what forums look like with "no waves" being made.

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DNA, Spellbound, others what do you think of James Gilliland?

I've listened to quite a bit of James via Giovanni's threads.
I think James comes across as genuine as they come.

[Sierra]

Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time, I had to leave the forum to go to another forum where victims of Simon and those with dissenting opinions were allowed to discuss Simon Parks and criticize him and his ways.
This happened on your watch Sierra, this happened on your watch Paul, and what did you guys do? You guys sat on your hands and did nothing.

Hey, calm down sweetie. I said nothing about Simon Parkes until the sexual improprieties came to light, because I didn't read the SP material. Ignored it, unless a member made a report. Busy with other issues.

I see you find it upsetting when people do not grasp certain understandings at the same time and place you grasp certain understandings.

Sorry 'bout that....

Balls are fine, which is the point I (thought I) was making re the Onawah/SP example.

[Justplain]

Jon Peniel claims that Jesus was the last incarnation of Thoth, the grand master of the Atlantean Children of the Law of One. The children of the law of one claimed to have copies of the original new testament which was largely written by Jesus, they say, whether these were the gnostic texts i dont know. Obviously Jesus was enlightened because his one commandment is in line with the teachings of the law of one. Even the 'redacted/altered' version of the new testament is replete with stories about Jesus' compassion, humility and being a true spiritual teacher.

Whether Bob Dean's claim to have known Jesus is true or not, we have to realize that old souls are called upon in times of great need to congregate with other old souls to ensure events go as needed. I would not be surprised if Bob Dean's soul manifested then. We also need to remember that our souls are quite complex and are difficult for our linear minds to comprehend. For instance, souls apparently can incarnate in more than one place at a time. Also, as stated above, at the highest level we are all connected with the Creator, a fact which makes us all brothers and sisters, as well as part of the one cosmic consciousness. Bob Dean has played his part at this time, and i, for one, am glad he did.

[greybeard]

I have to agree DNA as I was one who got shot down over Simon and had a mod visit, that was some time back at the very beginning of "Simon said",
However thats over and done with to my mind.
I think sometimes its best to bring things to others attention with an easier deliver--other wise I would just get others back up and get no where.
Given time everything comes ok
I don't have to be right--even when I am--smiling

Each to their own way though.

Chris

[Sierra]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aleister Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

[greybeard]

This basically is a conspiracy theorist forum and all in all it does an excellent job.
Im not really into conspiracy theory as such, but the forum brings much that is helpful in ordinary every day life--it makes a difference.
The truth is important, theories may be true but unproven.
The forum is as good as it gets down to Bill and the mod team.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time.

Part of that is correct. The sexual impropriety allegations against Simon Parkes were very serious. Because no evidence had been offered, we were morally obliged to take an 'agnostic', neutral stance. 'The forum' was not 'pro-Simon'. Go look up all the posts, including those of myself and the other mods. They're all on record.

What we did was the proper thing to do at the time. Some members were casually playing ball with a real person's reputation. This is not some video game where everyone has a beer when it's all over, and it's all forgotten. These things stick like epoxy, right or wrong.

The game changed when we received personal testimony. (That all actually started with (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) first-person testimony of clear, serious improprieties in his personal 'counseling'. That's pretty serious, too.)

If the sexual allegations had been false (and we had been told point-blank by a moderator on another forum that some of the allegations had been fabricated by Corey Goode, for example, go figure :facepalm: -- and he may well have done that, too), we'd have been in serious breach of helping to ruin a good man's reputation. That's not a cool thing to do.

Also with Bob Dean, of course. You dishonor an extremely fine man. As was very neatly stated (by screenwriter Aaron Sorkin) in The Social Network (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/):
The Internet's not written in pencil, it's written in ink.In my personal opinion, you should be ashamed of yourself. And you play a dangerous game. You're going WAY over the line here. I was neutral about Simon last year, but I am not neutral about Bob Dean. I know the guy. You do not. Simon was not a friend, at any point. (We barely had any communication, and I've never met him.) I've had many delightful dinners and lunches and coffees with Bob. He's as authentic as the day is long. Everyone who has met him will confirm that.

As I mentioned above (my post #37 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94139-Bob-Dean-Authenticity&p=1109353&viewfull=1#post1109353)), please save your unpleasant, unkind vitriol for those where there is hard evidence that they may actually deserve it.

:focus:

[PurpleLama]

What I have learned, above all else, is that no one has all the answers, not even me.

Even though I don't know all the answers I am still capable of at least accidentally hitting on a few pertinent points from time to time. And I claim no authority.

Bob Dean is a big old teddy bear. I don't ever remember him claiming to know it all. He shared with us some of what he knew or experienced. None of what he said was ever refuted or proved false. To question his reputation because of some misconstrued favorable circumstance seems like a stretch.

But like Bob Dean, I respect DNAs opinion. He's no slouch either.

Don't even know why I chimed in here. Not my place but I'll let it stand.

DNA is no slouch.

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Wow, funny you should mention Simon Parks, Bill and I had dissenting opinions on Simon, 7 months before Avalon made a public declaration of not supporting Simon, I told Bill privately about my concerns in regards to Simon Parks and I told him that to let Simon continue on this forum was tantement to endorsing Simon. Bill defended Simon Parks on the grounds that he had "not been convicted by a court of law" and as such should be allowed to continue.
This forum was so pro-simon at the time.

Part of that is correct. The sexual impropriety allegations against Simon Parkes were very serious. Because no evidence had been offered, we were morally obliged to take an 'agnostic', neutral stance. 'The forum' was not 'pro-Simon'. Go look up all the posts, including those of myself and the other mods. They're all on record.

What we did was the proper thing to do at the time. Some members were casually playing ball with a real person's reputation. This is not some video game where everyone has a beer when it's all over, and it's all forgotten. These things stick like epoxy, right or wrong.

The game changed when we received personal testimony. (That all actually started with (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) first-person testimony of clear, serious improprieties in his personal 'counseling'. That's pretty serious, too.)

If the sexual allegations had been false (and we had been told point-blank by a moderator on another forum that some of the allegations had been fabricated by Corey Goode, for example, go figure :facepalm: -- and he may well have done that, too), we'd have been in serious breach of helping to ruin a good man's reputation. That's not a cool thing to do.

Also with Bob Dean, of course. You dishonor an extremely fine man. As was very neatly stated (by screenwriter Aaron Sorkin) in The Social Network (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/):
The Internet's not written in pencil, it's written in ink.In my personal opinion, you should be ashamed of yourself. And you play a dangerous game. You're going WAY over the line here. I was neutral about Simon last year, but I am not neutral about Bob Dean. I know the guy. You do not. Simon was not a friend, at any point. (We barely had any communication, and I've never met him.) I've had many delightful dinners and lunches and coffees with Bob. He's as authentic as the day is long. Everyone who has met him will confirm that.

As I mentioned above (my post #37 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94139-Bob-Dean-Authenticity&p=1109353&viewfull=1#post1109353)), please save your unpleasant, unkind vitriol for those where there is hard evidence that they may actually deserve it.

:focus:

You ignored the allegations a year and a half ago.


Nobody is perfect, or me.

[Sueanne47]

I'm with Bill ~ Bob Dean is great, I wish I could also have dinner with him :star: :heart:

I also read on another forum of a lady that was friends with the Lear family for years, she said that John Lear has always been a good and honest man, though Bill thinks he is only 80% truthful... he is another I'd like to have a meal with...

[Bill Ryan]

You ignored the allegations a year and a half ago.


That's spinning, twisting and distorting what I took some care above to explain in detail. We were not in a position to do anything, and nor would it have been right for us to do so, because the allegations were serious (legally so) and there wasn't a shred of evidence other than internet gossip.

It was later revealed, of course, that some of that was absolutely founded in fact. But, it might not have been. 99 out of 100 people reading this now didn't know then, either.

Please read what I wrote ^^ again, and then (if you choose to) you have the opportunity to edit your post to say something a little more accurate.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aliester Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

I experience that gut knowing. (not about Edward Alexander)

I watch. I listen. I research. IMO: well known name(s) mentioned on this thread (not Bob Dean) I believe is/are compromised/AI controlled. I have no way to prove it. Most important, I do not want to engage in the battle.

Several years back, I started a questionable thread of Simon. IIRC: It didn’t make it past two hours nor two pages. Pro-Simons came out of the woodwork, some forum members I hadn't known. I elected to close it down. I had my own personal evidence but quickly learned it’d get lost amongst the staunch followers.

People don’t want their heroes torn apart. I get it. Eventually, time does. In the end, it’s not important what I believe. We each have to discover that for ourselves.

[greybeard]

The problem is polarities--people feel they must take side.

Most of the time its an opinion--Bill is different in having first hand experience.
I can see much of what Bob Dean brings is positive and uplifting.
I can see that DNA has a way of expressing that does not suit everyone.
However I think its up to the individual to like or dislike this.
I prefer an easier way of expressing overall, that does not make DNA right or wrong in what he says.

Perhaps both bring/brought something useful to the forum.
We don't have to start WW111 over it.
Opinions can still be kept

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

...though Bill thinks he [John Lear] is only 80% truthful

No, no, no, no, no! :)

We all have to be so very careful with words here. What I said was that John was 80% correct.

:bearhug:

Here's the post:


Re John Lear, Henry Deacon told me personally (after the publication of our 2008 4-part interview (http://projectcamelot.org/john_lear.html) with him) that Lear was "80% correct". (I'd agree with that, personally).

[neutronstar]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aliester Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

I experience that gut knowing. (not about Edward Alexander)

I watch. I research. IMO: well known name(s) on this thread (not Bob Dean) I believe is/are compromised/AI controlled. I have no way to prove it. Most important, I do not want to engage in the battle.

Several years back, I started a questionable thread of Simon. IIRC: It didn’t make it past two hours nor two pages. So many pro-Simons came out of the woodwork. I elected to close it down. I had my own personal evidence but quickly learned it’d get lost amongst the staunch followers.

Some may say it's selfish. Why are you here? To that I say, people don’t want their heroes torn apart. I get it. Eventually, time does. In the end, it’s not important what I believe. We each have to discover that for ourselves.

I think if we peeled back the veil of truth about a lot of people in the conspiracy research community we would be shocked with what we found. Just my opinion.:bigsmile:

[Sueanne47]

oh sorry Bill!! :sorry:

I love listening to Bob, here is a recent video (I've heard this quite a while back, but its been revamped) :

2jQSwHr3d6k

[greybeard]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aliester Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

I experience that gut knowing. (not about Edward Alexander)

I watch. I research. IMO: well known name(s) on this thread (not Bob Dean) I believe is/are compromised/AI controlled. I have no way to prove it. Most important, I do not want to engage in the battle.

Several years back, I started a questionable thread of Simon. IIRC: It didn’t make it past two hours nor two pages. So many pro-Simons came out of the woodwork. I elected to close it down. I had my own personal evidence but quickly learned it’d get lost amongst the staunch followers.

Some may say it's selfish. Why are you here? To that I say, people don’t want their heroes torn apart. I get it. Eventually, time does. In the end, it’s not important what I believe. We each have to discover that for ourselves.

What Paula says is true Therefore I disagree with Bill's statement that the forum was not pro Simon.
One did not dare criticize Simon.

Sometime later it was accepted by quite a few members that Simon had been put on a pedestal--he had been seen as an important whistle blower by the majority of the forum as far as I could tell.

Chris

[neutronstar]

And to make clear, yes, I do understand it is frustrating to see what others do not see. There was a thread started by a guru wanna be named Edward Alexander (Aliester Crowley's birth name), who I clearly saw as a practitioner of the dark path. I wrote a somewhat sloppy and quick analysis of why I thought so, and got the crap kicked out of me. Went back, and explained carefully, longwindedly, and politely the clues I saw. Wasn't until some ten pages later of the thread that the years of assholery spent by this dude on the Internet, including drug dealing, became apparent.

Sometimes you put it out there, and have to wait for confirmation from other sources.

I experience that gut knowing. (not about Edward Alexander)

I watch. I research. IMO: well known name(s) on this thread (not Bob Dean) I believe is/are compromised/AI controlled. I have no way to prove it. Most important, I do not want to engage in the battle.

Several years back, I started a questionable thread of Simon. IIRC: It didn’t make it past two hours nor two pages. So many pro-Simons came out of the woodwork. I elected to close it down. I had my own personal evidence but quickly learned it’d get lost amongst the staunch followers.

Some may say it's selfish. Why are you here? To that I say, people don’t want their heroes torn apart. I get it. Eventually, time does. In the end, it’s not important what I believe. We each have to discover that for ourselves.

What Paula says is true Therefore I disagree with Bill's statement that the forum was not pro Simon.
One did not dare criticize Simon.

Sometime later it was accepted by quite a few members that Simon had been put on a pedestal--he had been seen as an important whistle blower by the majority of the forum as far as I could tell.

Chris

I wasn't a member at the time,but I was here as a guest from the beginning of this forum. I would have to agree with you.

[RunningDeer]

What Paula says is true Therefore I disagree with Bill's statement that the forum was not pro Simon.
One did not dare criticize Simon.

Sometime later it was accepted by quite a few members that Simon had been put on a pedestal--he had been seen as an important whistle blower by the majority of the forum as far as I could tell.

Chris


One did not dare criticize Simon.

No, not completely, not in my case.

As with many, many threads, my decision to let it ride was because much was shared between members. Which in turn offered new paths to follow for each of us.

Again, for myself, it's about the larger picture. We don't know what we don't know until we go dig.

RunningDeer ♡

[PurpleLama]

You ignored the allegations a year and a half ago.


That's spinning, twisting and distorting what I took some care above to explain in detail. We were not in a position to do anything, and nor would it have been right for us to do so, because the allegations were serious (legally so) and there wasn't a shred of evidence other than internet gossip.

It was later revealed, of course, that some of that was absolutely founded in fact. But, it might not have been. 99 out of 100 people reading this now didn't know then, either.

Please read what I wrote ^^ again, and then (if you choose to) you have the opportunity to edit your post to say something a little more accurate.

:focus:

You are correct, there is no correlation between SP and BD. As long as it isn't BobD. Lol

[Mike]

Ive found, in my life, that progress can be made much quicker between 2 people - real, honest progress - if a heated exchange occurs, perhaps an even insulting and so called offensive exchange, right off the bat..where real, honest feelings come tumbling out, sometimes clumsily and cuttingly and awkwardly.....rather than a slow, plodding, tedious egg-shell-dance feeling out process of the persons boundries and sensitivities..

There is a risk involved in the former, a risk that the relationship will end there n then....but theres also a huge potential for spontaneous, cathartic break thru that doesnt exist in scenario #2. Scenario number 2 might make us feel warm n fuzzy in the short term, but usually ends in a vanilla type, barely surface scratching superficiality.

Life is short. I like option 1.

You set some fires to get things moving...you try to put them out eventually...you won't always succeed, but if the gods are smiling you will have done much more healing than damage.

Maybe it's kind of crude and bull-in-china shop-ish, but I prefer it. Thats just me.

I like DNA's approach. It doesnt offend me for a second...because I can see what he's trying to do. Sometimes i'll sign in just to read his posts..and then sign off. Boredom is the greatest sin of all, and if we risk accepting it in the name of "civility" we may find that we're snoring ourselves to an early death. Homogeny is as fatal as cancer.

[bettye198]

Generally speaking

There are all lot of people that can not be read there is a reason for that, they are protected in some way, either by them selves or others are protecting them.
Please keep this in mind.
Generally speaking
Thank you for saying that. People in the media or who write books or stand on a podium cannot really be known. I have a sister who is a psychopath and sociopath and she has conned her own family for yearssss. It is not until you really do the investigation, watch the behaviors, catch them in lies, have the evidence and get the epiphany's staring you head on that you know. I would not assume Bob Dean is such. I know E'Asha ( Ashayana )is not or I could not engage with her work. Zagami should not even be in the same sentence with these two. Misinformation and dark illuminati symbolism always shows itself. There are always clues if you are careful enough to see. As far as believing someone, that is subjective. What one person believes through their perception is their truth based on their understanding of what is kindred to their soul.

[Bill Ryan]

I disagree with Bill's statement that the forum was not pro Simon.


Some members wanted to hear Simon's every word. But that was not the general view of the mods.

Chris, go look through Simon's threads. I almost never posted there, and (without checking right now) I believe the other mods hardly ever did, either. We simply allowed the conversation to continue, which is our normal modus operandi. That's what the forum's for. It's not complicated, a lot of what we do.

There are hundreds of threads that we never read or follow, and (as long as there are no complaints) they just grow and grow, and everyone wins. The forum is a large, virtual conference center with thousands of breakout rooms where small groups hold conversations. That's really all it is, except that everything is on permanent, retrievable record.

There was no reason, at all, to stop or halt any of Simon's threads. The contents were all about Simon's personal opinions in response to questions he was being asked by members. That was all 100% fine. On the forum, Simon never once stepped out of line.

Things are being grossly twisted around. Disturbances in the Force -- as the mods have been observing to one another since yesterday morning US time.

:shielddeflect:

I'm wondering if anyone here has anything positive to say about anything or anyone at all! :)

[greybeard]

When I said "One did not dare criticize Simon" --implied was that if one did and I did--then there would be a strong reaction to the post.
People will defend their hero.

Yes people need all kinds of experiences to grow--dead ends included.

In fairness Bob Dean a different subject all together, always interesting and quietly charismatic, I enjoyed listening to him.

Chris

[Sierra]

Sometime later it was accepted by quite a few members that Simon had been put on a pedestal--he had been seen as an important whistle blower by the majority of the forum as far as I could tell.

Chris

I agree. And I see the forum today, as not quite so willing to put people on pedestals, which I consider a wonderful development. We've had two or three guru wanna bes pass through our portals recently that were given short shrift by the members.

[greybeard]

I disagree with Bill's statement that the forum was not pro Simon.


Some members wanted to hear Simon's every word. But that was not the general view of the mods.

Chris, go look through Simon's threads. I almost never posted there, and (without checking right now) I believe the other mods hardly ever did, either. We simply allowed the conversation to continue, which is our normal modus operandi. That's what the forum's for. It's not complicated, a lot of what we do.

There are hundreds of threads that we never read or follow, and (as long as there are no complaints) they just grow and grow, and everyone wins. The forum is a large, virtual conference center with thousands of breakout rooms where small groups hold conversations. That's really all it is, except that everything is on permanent, retrievable record.

There was no reason, at all, to stop or halt any of Simon's threads. The contents were all about Simon's personal opinions in response to questions he was being asked by members. That was all 100% fine. On the forum, Simon never once stepped out of line.

Things are being grossly twisted around. Disturbances in the Force -- as the mods have been observing to one another since yesterday morning US time.

:shielddeflect:

I'm wondering if anyone here has anything positive to say about anything or anyone at all! :)

Ive said positive things about the mods and your self also Bob Dean, Bill.

Yes sometimes there is a negative energy.

When I said the forum was pro Simon funnily enough I was not including mods or you as I do see the team as neutral apart from when they have to take action..


Chris

[Sueanne47]

Hi Mike,

Where's the love????!!!!!

Civility is paramount on a forum as we are Avalon family, if we were to be rude or harsh...just for the sake of not being boring, then new members would quickly jump ship and we would not have mutual respect for each other like we do. Many dont post for fear of being slammed.

[PurpleLama]

Call me Reepicheep.

[RunningDeer]

I'm wondering if anyone here has anything positive to say about anything or anyone at all! :)
Yes.

A lot what You All express blows me away. My knowledge base and outlook has exponentially widened because of it.

You All rock!

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-thanks-771216_zpsx8jrhspp.GIF

[bettye198]

Lately, I have been pondering the past life phenomena. We may feel, sense we were a part of a past, or ancient life then later we may find ourselves wondering. If past, present and future can be one timeline ( example: a CD can for forward, backward or can be just played in present time) or parallel timelines, are we experiencing those lives OR are we in memory of it only?

I bring this up because of the Bob Dean being in Jesus life. MANY of us were walking with him back then. I know I was simply because I felt a comradery with the placement, ambiance of the time. I thought, well, maybe it was some other close placement. Then three different psychics from different times in my life spoke of it to me and my husband. Were they tapping into my mind, my own memory or wishful thinking? Or what? Makes everything fuzzy again when we ask those questions huh?

[Mike]

Hi Mike,

Where's the love????!!!!!

Civility is paramount on a forum as we are Avalon family, if we were to be rude or harsh...just for the sake of not being boring, then new members would quickly jump ship and we would not have mutual respect for each other like we do. Many dont post for fear of being slammed.



Let me clarify:

I'm not suggesting everyone should be thorny or confrontational all the time. The forum couldnt work properly like that.

However...
It is sometimes a welcome reprieve from the tedium and boredom that can occur as a result of discussing basically the same stuff all the time.....in fact, thats why outbursts occur 99.9% of the time here - tedium and boredom. It's nothing to do with black technology or evil aliens. Therefore, these so called outbursts are healthy and necessary, imho. There need to be some allowances for personality.

..and if your personality is prone to aggression or thorniness or sarcasm - like I believe Marcus has even admitted to being from time to time - it's important to also express your kind thoughts when they arise, to balance out your character...and I see Marcus do this quite frequently. There are members here who will never "rock the boat", respected members....but you almost will never see them say anything remotely warm or complimentary towards another member. To me, thats a bigger crime than occasional thorniness.

So yes, love love love all you wish....i'll even join in!:)...but for God's sake try to be interesting while youre doing it!

[Daozen]

I Remember the title of this thread as "Bob Dean Authenticity".
If I had known this thread was really titled "Is DNA an a$$hole" I would have started off with a gentler post. :)
If you folks will review, before I was attacked I was completely on topic 100%, the only problem was I was not a Bob Dean cheerleader, I was giving my honest view on the topic which is "Bob Dean's Authenticity".
Then Daozen attacked me personally. And rather than a mod showing up and stating "hey this is a personal attack, we need to keep this on topic", which was a fairly simple matter, instead the personal attacks were allowed and seemingly encouraged.
Daozen was then seemingly emboldened by what he viewed as a green light.

Now here is a question. When someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, does that then make the mods no longer apply the rules of the forum, and as such allow sanctioned hits on a individual by regular forum members?
Apparently I didn't know questioning the Santa Claus like status of Bob Dean on this forum would get me this kind of treatment.


I think this is a serious question for the mods to talk about with Bill Ryan.
If someone is in opposition to Bill Ryan's views, should that person still be protected by the forum's rules?
I'm not kidding here.

OK. I get it. You're edgy. We were told to let the matter drop. We made a final post on the subject, and we let it go. And then you bring up my name again. So now I'm going to say something else. I don't buy for one minute this "I'm a straight talker who tells it like it is." act. To me, you just come across like a swaggering bully. You walk around sneering and talking down to people, then when it gets difficult, you work yourself into a righteous rage to try and face them down.

You've cast yourself as the victim by telling everyone that I attacked you. Aren't you the one going after an 86 year old man, and making comments about his marriage? You didn't let up even when Bill told you he was ill. I tell you I'm stuck inside learning programming by way of explanation, and you immediately turn it round and use it against me. You've got no couth, you've got no restraint. And you don't comport yourself with any human respect.

Which brings me back to my original point. You don't even acknowledge that you're doing anything wrong, which means you have all the hallmarks of a narcissist, and a sociopath. You tick all the boxes in the sociopath book, minus the charm.

You promote frauds like William Thompkins, and by extension Wilcock. So are you really the "calls um like I sees um" beer drinkin' straight-talker you present yourself as?

It's about priorities. You want to prove you're a big shot? Go after Trump, Hillary, or the banks, or the pharmaceutical companies. I did. Go after one of the active frauds in the UFOlogy field, instead of someone that you know is infirm.

You already went into an apoplectic rage after my 2nd to last reply. I bit my tongue and let it go, but you didn't keep your mouth shut. You've already fired your best shots at me. So what now? Are you going to turn on the fake charm, or work yourself into another multiquote fury?

Americans, one of the reasons your economy is tanking, is that there are people like DNA in every company, which makes doing business with you guys a real pain. It's only 10-20 percent of the population, but its enough to really mess things up. No one likes being talked down to. Want to disagree with someone? Go ahead. But keep an edge of respect, otherwise society degenerates. I admit I've crossed the line sometimes, but I always try and keep to some rules.

I've been trolling bullies since I was five years old. When I see someone acting like that, I can't help but say something. DNA, you are acting like a schoolyard bully.

*

Mods, just let this go. Thanks.

[neutronstar]

=Bill Ryan;

I'm wondering if anyone here has anything positive to say about anything or anyone at all! :)

I revert back to my previous statement earlier in this thread about not everyone being able to get their point across in words alone. It's a skill to write. That is why I don't take all these statements all to serious. If we were talking this thread might not seem so negative.

I once wrote an email to by best friend, he fired back at me with another email that took me back, wondering what I said that was so bad. I called him up and all was good when things were said rather than read. What one person reads and interprets can be vastly different to another person.

[greybeard]

Hi Mike,

Where's the love????!!!!!

Civility is paramount on a forum as we are Avalon family, if we were to be rude or harsh...just for the sake of not being boring, then new members would quickly jump ship and we would not have mutual respect for each other like we do. Many dont post for fear of being slammed.



Let me clarify:

I'm not suggesting everyone should be thorny or confrontational all the time. The forum couldnt work properly like that.

However...
It is sometimes a welcome reprieve from the tedium and boredom that can occur as a result of discussing basically the same stuff all the time.....in fact, thats why outbursts occur 99.9% of the time here - tedium and boredom. It's nothing to do with black technology or evil aliens. Therefore, these so called outbursts are healthy and necessary, imho. There need to be some allowances for personality.

..and if your personality is prone to aggression or thorniness or sarcasm - like I believe Marcus has even admitted to being from time to time - it's important to also express your kind thoughts when they arise, to balance out your character...and I see Marcus do this quite frequently. There are members here who will never "rock the boat", respected members....but you almost will never see them say anything remotely warm or complimentary towards another member. To me, thats a bigger crime than occasional thorniness.

So yes, love love love all you wish....i'll even join in!:)...but for God's sake try to be interesting while youre doing it!

Well Mike Sueanne is interesting and so are you. Both of you in your different styles bring something to the forum.

People rarely read signature --I do and yours says it Mike.

My head says 'who cares?', but my heart whispers 'you do, stupid...'"


Chris

[Mike]

Thanks Chris! I agree with that. And right back at you! :)

(Also, That was an impersonal "youre" in my last post. Just for the record, I wasn't singling out Suzanne.:sun:)

[Sueanne47]

So yes, love love love all you wish....i'll even join in!:)...but for God's sake try to be interesting while youre doing it!

:heart:

I'll try to give interesting *but honest* reading! ;)

34477

[Nasu]

From what little I "know" about Bob, he seems genuine.

Moreover those who interact with him say that they feel he is on the level, so many people cant all be that wrong. Whether he likes this fact or not, he's a celebrity for the alternative community, so as such he will no doubt attract criticism. As for his Jesus comment, I didn't hear that one, but trust that you did. I've said some crazy stuff in my time and worse is that I beleaved at least half of it!!

Point me at anyone you know or know of who has not said something silly, either in jest, bravado, or as an outright lie and I'll show you a black-project clone without any trace of humanity left... Anyway who is any of us to judge how others spent their previous lives, I don't know about you but for me those lives are old news, we have much to do now in this one..

He has my thumbs up for whatever it's worth... As I do for you all, warts and all...xxx.... N

[quiltinggrandma]

You are all pieces of a group that i am so proud to be a part of.We are together for a reason.I believe in and love that reason.Mike and chris,thanks again for helping to keep me level(where's dennis?).And my thanks to all of you,,blessings.

[regnak]

I say that Bob Deane was one great interviews on Project Camelot . I will defend him because i actually belief him unlike Simon Parkes who never had any credibility my two cents.:cake:

[Tangri]

Sometime later it was accepted by quite a few members that Simon had been put on a pedestal--he had been seen as an important whistle blower by the majority of the forum as far as I could tell.

Chris

I agree. And I see the forum today, as not quite so willing to put people on pedestals, which I consider a wonderful development. We've had two or three guru wanna bes pass through our portals recently that were given short shrift by the members.

Wow Sierra,

I thought it wasn't noticed by mass. They had very short forum lives .

DNA is right to point some inconsistencies but wrong about on people's emotional reflex .

Also, even I have believed coincidences in past, now I see that those coincidences were arranged by third party.

I have asked Kerry(Cassidy) to forward my question to BD which Bob Dean was asking bottle of Johnny Walker to respond that one but never received an answer even I was ready to pay a case of bottles. (some Bob Dean's friends know what the subject was . It is irrelevant now)
I know we don't know what we don't know but difficult part is, we don't know how to talk(explain) on what you don't know.

[Daozen]

I'm not even here defending Bob Dean the whistleblower. I liked some of his videos, especially that one about the 'third group' and his time in the unknown city. But that's not the main point. Worst case scenario, if they turn out to be false, so what? As Bill said, there are at least 249 bigger fish to fry before you even get to Bob.

I'm just saying we should hold ourselves to some sort of rules. Bob Dean the person -any person- deserves respect, regardless of whether you disagree with their testimony or not. Anyone can sit there talking tough behind a keyboard. Why go after someone's marriage? It's cowardly to bring up people's private lives. I don't like Cobra, but you don't see me outing where he lives, or anything like that.

I measure people by 1) How they interact with others 2) What they contribute to the reconstruction of Earth.

[sigma6]

Bob Dean lost me when he said he was friends with Jesus in a past life. People say there's such a thing as UFO disease...making stuff up to keep people's attention over time. I love Bob Dean (he has a lot of charm)...I could probably sit and talk with him for hours...but when someone ultimately says they were friends with Jesus, I tune out.

Dave - Toronto
...I hear the comments, I have never considered it in this light, I did not know the origin story... very interesting... I will choose to withhold judgement, this deserves serious contemplation... Bob Dean seems to me to be more than just a mere "hoaxer"... and sociopath seems to strong a term... as I have met and lived with, and known a few... but I know of what you speak about the "ambiguity" of trying to "read" certain kinds of people...

re: the "jesus" thing... there is no question "something" did happen over 2000 years ago... but I wonder if anyone ever asks what it was? o.O?... that was so earth changing that it was marked in time for all eternity, by the major powers in the world at that time (hint, hint)... a "hoax"? that wouldn't quite explain it... but I might be inclined to agree, the majority of people don't have the true story right...

in the meantime... some spirited music from an era gone bye... look how much our views and attitudes change even in such a short span of decades ; D

-cXrEPNvRO8

[Daozen]

Check this list. Here's some objective, neutral evidence:

http://www.kickbully.com/identify.html

http://www.hrmorning.com/8-workplace-bully-personality-types/

[TrumanCash]

Although I never met Bob Dean I feel compelled to speak on behalf of his apparent claim of a past life vis-a-vis "Jesus". I do not know if that is true or not nor do I think it is important to dwell upon it, because that is a personal thing, IMO.

Also, can someone "prove" that they were so-and-so whomever in a past life? If so, how would one "prove" it?

I'll use myself as an example (and it's perfectly okay with me if people roll their eyes or openly criticize me for talking about the specifics of some of my past lives). I don't care if people "believe" me or not. It's irrelevant.

For example, when I first discovered my incarnation as "Ramses the Second" (pronounced Rah-may-sees back then) even I was skeptical. However, after many memory retrieval sessions using two different forms of memory retrieval methods by two different people and video-recorded, I was able to piece together significant memories from that past life including dates, significant events, involvement with Ra, Ptah, etc. This was after working with another abductee who had contact with the same ET group in the 1600s in what is now Turkey.

I then began to research my lifetime as pharaoh in books and came upon Zechariah Sitchin's works and found two of the memories I had recovered were exactly translated by Sitchin! Also, the dates I remembered and my age at death, etc, were all accurate even though I never studied Egyptology.

But more importantly I discovered not only in my own extensive, personal past life work but also in working with over forty other abductees, that abductees are considered to be "chosen ones" by the ETs themselves and are followed from lifetime to lifetime and placed and used in high-level intelligence, government office, military, secret societies, and religions!

It is therefore entirely reasonable to me that Bob Dean's connection to "intelligence" and a past life involving "Jesus" may in fact be connected. I don't know if Bob Dean is an abductee or not and that is not the point.

The point is that ETs are manipulating the socio-political aspects of this planet directly and have been for thousands of years. And most people are understandably totally unaware of this because it is intentionally hidden.

Another thing I see is that so many people are just arm-chair philosophers who often casually judge people based upon their own biases and lack of knowledge or their beliefs. Beliefs are very powerful things!

Beliefs and belief systems (and disbelief systems) are a potent form of mind control and the ETs (under names like Ra, Ptah, Amen, etc) know that and use it to the max to manipulate people to cause endless war and chaos.

Can I prove to anyone that I was "Ramses the Second"? Absolutely not. And it's not important in itself. But it actually only matters because of what I was exposed to then and what I discovered that reveals the matrix and the "man behind the curtain".

My point here is that anyone can "prove" how the matrix is set up vis-a-vis Earth for themselves by working with abductees and going back through their previous lifetimes or abductions. Anyone can therefore expose the true history of Earth and all the lies we've been fed since time immemorial.

But most people prefer the comfort and self-satisfaction of armchair philosophising and judgment of "experiencers" or whistleblowers instead of actually rolling up their sleeves and dedicating themselves to doing some real hands-on research. Perhaps they may also feel "left out" or envious that they weren't "chosen". Well, let me tell you, being "chosen" is no picnic! It's pretty much hell! Being a whistleblower is no picnic either.

So thanks to Bob Dean for speaking his mind and sharing his experiences with everyone!

And thanks to Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy for rolling up their sleeves and actually doing something to help whistleblowers and others get their information out in the public venue!

TLC

[7alon]

Very well put Truman. It is becoming more and more apparent that really anything is possible and we are all on our own unique journey. I remember not so long ago I used to roll my eyes at a lot of stuff I now firmly believe. We are all using our own methods to cope and try and understand the universe we exist in, and unless we can find hard evidence that something is incorrect, we should definitely keep an open mind.

For a race so primitive that we are ruled by greed, we sure can be incredibly arrogant :o

[TrumanCash]

To add to my post above:

It's not so important what we believe is true, but rather that we are indeed seeking truth.

Truth is like water and air--you try to grab it and then it's not there--an elusive butterfly that defies being captured and categorized and quantified and codified and boxed up in a square.

The more you know, the more you know how much more there is to know.

It's not easy. Although we "experiencers", if you will, have the luxury of remembering and knowing first hand, I understand how hard it must be for those who haven't.

The best you can do, IMO, is to read as many books as you can and watch as many videos as you can, etc. Eventually, you'll really start connecting dots.

Don't dwell so much on discrepancies, but rather look for repeated phenomena, similarities, patterns, symbols, you know.

If you really did want an experience for yourself I could direct you to the location--the exact location --of a deep underground military/Grays base. However, I would not wish that kind of unpleasantness on anyone, :facepalm: so I will remain silent on that. :silent: No one needs that kind of trouble. Besides, you have to cross private property to get there, fences, locked gates, no trespassing signs, etc. So it would be unlawful as well. Just saying.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thank you, TrumanCash, for putting so eloquently what I feel about each of us judging another's experiences. Armchair Philosophers IS a good way to put it! :highfive: I have found it SO refreshing not to have to live within a box that some other human being has constructed. Thank you for being so open & free with your own experiences. You're right! The more we learn, the more we realize there is MUCH more to learn! :clapping:

[Spellbound]

Although I never met Bob Dean I feel compelled to speak on behalf of his apparent claim of a past life vis-a-vis "Jesus". I do not know if that is true or not nor do I think it is important to dwell upon it, because that is a personal thing, IMO.

Also, can someone "prove" that they were so-and-so whomever in a past life? If so, how would one "prove" it?

I'll use myself as an example (and it's perfectly okay with me if people roll their eyes or openly criticize me for talking about the specifics of some of my past lives). I don't care if people "believe" me or not. It's irrelevant.

For example, when I first discovered my incarnation as "Ramses the Second" (pronounced Rah-may-sees back then) even I was skeptical. However, after many memory retrieval sessions using two different forms of memory retrieval methods by two different people and video-recorded, I was able to piece together significant memories from that past life including dates, significant events, involvement with Ra, Ptah, etc. This was after working with another abductee who had contact with the same ET group in the 1600s in what is now Turkey.

I then began to research my lifetime as pharaoh in books and came upon Zechariah Sitchin's works and found two of the memories I had recovered were exactly translated by Sitchin! Also, the dates I remembered and my age at death, etc, were all accurate even though I never studied Egyptology.

But more importantly I discovered not only in my own extensive, personal past life work but also in working with over forty other abductees, that abductees are considered to be "chosen ones" by the ETs themselves and are followed from lifetime to lifetime and placed and used in high-level intelligence, government office, military, secret societies, and religions!

It is therefore entirely reasonable to me that Bob Dean's connection to "intelligence" and a past life involving "Jesus" may in fact be connected. I don't know if Bob Dean is an abductee or not and that is not the point.

The point is that ETs are manipulating the socio-political aspects of this planet directly and have been for thousands of years. And most people are understandably totally unaware of this because it is intentionally hidden.

Another thing I see is that so many people are just arm-chair philosophers who often casually judge people based upon their own biases and lack of knowledge or their beliefs. Beliefs are very powerful things!

Beliefs and belief systems (and disbelief systems) are a potent form of mind control and the ETs (under names like Ra, Ptah, Amen, etc) know that and use it to the max to manipulate people to cause endless war and chaos.

Can I prove to anyone that I was "Ramses the Second"? Absolutely not. And it's not important in itself. But it actually only matters because of what I was exposed to then and what I discovered that reveals the matrix and the "man behind the curtain".

My point here is that anyone can "prove" how the matrix is set up vis-a-vis Earth for themselves by working with abductees and going back through their previous lifetimes or abductions. Anyone can therefore expose the true history of Earth and all the lies we've been fed since time immemorial.

But most people prefer the comfort and self-satisfaction of armchair philosophising and judgment of "experiencers" or whistleblowers instead of actually rolling up their sleeves and dedicating themselves to doing some real hands-on research. Perhaps they may also feel "left out" or envious that they weren't "chosen". Well, let me tell you, being "chosen" is no picnic! It's pretty much hell! Being a whistleblower is no picnic either.

So thanks to Bob Dean for speaking his mind and sharing his experiences with everyone!

And thanks to Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy for rolling up their sleeves and actually doing something to help whistleblowers and others get their information out in the public venue!

TLC

Fair enough. Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I wasn't asking for Bob Dean to prove his statement of knowing the so called son of God in a past life. I was simply saying that when I hear someone make that statement (be it Bob Dean or anyone)....I instantly tune out. Saying things about ET's and such is one thing....but stepping outside of that box with Jesus talk is a whole 'nother kettle of fish (for me anyways). Sorry, but I'm just not buying it and yes, I attribute it to UFO disease. That's my opinion...others feel differently....and I'm ok with that. If Bob Dean honestly feels that he once knew the son of God....good for him...but I'm not buying it.

Dave - Toronto

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have had a lifetime of innuendo about Jesus of Nazareth. I was supposed to be a priest. I played Jesus in a school play. I acted like Jesus most of my life. I got turned on by ACIM, purportedly written by Jesus. Jesus has been my nemesis. Anyone who insists on some sort of interaction with Jesus in my mind is being messed with and is not to be held responsible for his interpretation of those events. It is a meme of initiation, a brainwashing technique.

At least that is how I always interpreted it. When Jesus comes, I tune out - no thanks.

So am I not worthy of further respect? I am also untrustworthy?

Does nothing I say hold water from this point on?

[greybeard]

I have had a lifetime of innuendo about Jesus of Nazareth. I was supposed to be a priest. I played Jesus in a school play. I acted like Jesus most of my life. I got turned on by ACIM, purportedly written by Jesus. Jesus has been my nemesis. Anyone who insists on some sort of interaction with Jesus in my mind is being messed with and is not to be held responsible for his interpretation of those events. It is a meme of initiation, a brainwashing technique.

At least that is how I always interpreted it. When Jesus comes, I tune out - no thanks.

So am I not worthy of further respect? I am also untrustworthy?

Does nothing I say hold water from this point on?

Ernie, ultimately every one is worthy of respect.

Because.

In my understanding there is only One consciousness.
Not claiming to be right--its my understanding I have no fear in saying it, some what repeatably.
Therefore every seeming separate person is the perfect character for his her part in life.

I have a great respect for you and what you say Ernie
Say what ever you feel like saying--your contribution is valued.

Best wishes
Chris

Ps some teaching say that all "spiritual " experiences are of the ego in pursuit of specialness--make of that what you will.

[waves]

Bill, I developed suspicions about 'the bigger picture' surrounding Bob Dean that haven't been discussed here yet, I'm wondering if you agree with any of it since you're the only one with personal interaction.

At first I took him face value and found his sincerity engaging. After many listens to many interviews, I started to notice a seeming underlying agenda, a fixed list of often repeated facts in often repeated sentences that never expanded with further detail... fascinating gigantic claims that begged explanations that were never offered and always just skipped over by every interviewer. As we always wonder why so called whistleblowers who seem to be spilling damning secrets the govt is otherwise frequently killing others for are allowed to go and on and on...PLUS... knowing that a long standing agenda to control the opposition through a combination of disinfo/muddying the field/dividing/and actual disclosure at their rate has been going on forever, and possibly got extra organized right after WWII when the mind control technologies really went viral.... my view of Mr. Dean changed to that of one of the implanted spokespeople for the 'controlled information' agenda.

It got more and more reinforced by the weirdnesses surrounding his personal life noted here including the connection to Marcia putting out such shallow stuff tho supposedly married to such a deeper depth of knowledge, the neighbors thing, who he would not interview with and taking a look at the lists of people in his field who he associated with and did not, you could say in some ways avoided.

This is not claiming everything he's said is a lie. This is not claiming he doesn't believe what he says. This is also not claiming there's not a possibility he's not fully aware of playing a part either. But we also have to take the technologies in to consideration. Memories can be implanted. Behavior can be controlled. People can be made to think/be whatever they want without the controlled person's knowledge, and I would give 100% probability that this technology has been used to the fullest as soon as available.

Which means, I came to suspect that Bob is just one of many, many of our so called whistleblowers who were planted into the alternative world and used to impart a specific story into the field - no more and no less - playing their part of a much, much bigger and longer term agenda than it appears on the surface.

[3(C)+me]

Hi Mike,

Where's the love????!!!!!

Civility is paramount on a forum as we are Avalon family, if we were to be rude or harsh...just for the sake of not being boring, then new members would quickly jump ship and we would not have mutual respect for each other like we do. Many dont post for fear of being slammed.



Let me clarify:

I'm not suggesting everyone should be thorny or confrontational all the time. The forum couldnt work properly like that.

However...
It is sometimes a welcome reprieve from the tedium and boredom that can occur as a result of discussing basically the same stuff all the time.....in fact, thats why outbursts occur 99.9% of the time here - tedium and boredom. It's nothing to do with black technology or evil aliens. Therefore, these so called outbursts are healthy and necessary, imho. There need to be some allowances for personality.

..and if your personality is prone to aggression or thorniness or sarcasm - like I believe Marcus has even admitted to being from time to time - it's important to also express your kind thoughts when they arise, to balance out your character...and I see Marcus do this quite frequently. There are members here who will never "rock the boat", respected members....but you almost will never see them say anything remotely warm or complimentary towards another member. To me, thats a bigger crime than occasional thorniness.

So yes, love love love all you wish....i'll even join in!:)...but for God's sake try to be interesting while youre doing it!
If people can't go out on a limb and say things that upset people here then where?
I love these threads because peoples passions and fire come out and I may not agree put I do love the dialog. And the fact that a thread may go off the rails at any time is something I love to see, even if I am just lurking and reading. It is when sometimes the best and worse in people come out, and both are beautiful if it said with some conviction.

The new members they have a choice I don't think coddling them is going to help anyone. They can get into the stream or wait. But let me say getting in when you must write something can be wonderful.

We as a human race need to stop putting other humans above us or worshiping them and all this up/down stuff. He is great, no he is a fraud. I believe him 100% or the opposite because during these times, guaranteed things/people/policies are going to be turned on it's head and some people are going to be acting like a deer in headlights.

[greybeard]

If ever this community wants to be taken seriously --then it has to be seen to examine, as far as is possible, what it projects as true.
Opinions heart felt are just that.
This is why debate, discussion, opposing views are vital.
The freedom to air ones belief, disbelief, or facts found is paramount.

As said by other posters--respect for a persons point of view is paramount.

We are so conditioned that we have to personally look at how our perspectives are founded.

Chris

[Matthew]

....

:shielddeflect:

I'm wondering if anyone here has anything positive to say about anything or anyone at all! :)

I noticed this quoted above by someone else thanks them!

On the forum hero and celebrity worship has being challenged over the last few months. On the whole I reckon this works for us but is going to have a wobble effect across the board. Changes can be awkward at the start but as greybeard says good will out.

[Alberto e Daniela]

Knowing that Bob Dean is ill, and that he's rather old, we regret not meeting him personally, and wish him all the best for his health.

All of our investigations in the field of alien interference started with his interviews. Bob lead us to project Camelot, and to many other steps after that, so we hold him dear, for his efforts and his compassionate attitude.

We thought we'd share with all of you a lecture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ergzkwCA1cQ) dating back a few years (probably in the nineties), held in Leeds, UK. Here, like in many other occasions, his feelings show up gently, and that is what makes him feel authentic, in our point of view.

Also we appreciate that he's not trying to induce feelings of fear through constant scary prophecies, and he's pointing to a higher consciousness for Humanity, rather than sticking to the mere physical facts.

Alberto and Daniela

[Sequoia]

My very first ufology/paranormal interview was by Kerri Cassidy and Bill Ryan of Project Camelot with the great Bob Dean in 2011, I nose-dived into the great "unknown" as I had just woken up and got curious…
I owe so much to the above named for this interview for opening my eyes further, for expanding my consciousness and for the message of hope, and peace.
My gratitude and respect. Always.
Sincerely,

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Dolores Cannon wrote a little book called Jesus and the Essenes (PDF here (http://projectavalon.net/DoloresCannon_Jesus_and_the_Essenes.pdf)), about her own experience regressing a client who (to their astonishment!) recalled being a young student -- with the young Jesus -- in an Essene community. It's well worth the read.


Oh neat, thanks!

I consider myself a skeptic when it comes to anyone talking about kooky UFO stuff or channeling or being Napoleon in a past life. At the same time, I have met, been healed by, and been trained by entities that no one would believe if I talked about. Well, some might, but I have a thin skin and don't like to open myself up to naysayers. I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about.

Spellbound, I understand where you are coming from. My own approach is to never decide if any one person is telling the truth. I hold each as potentially telling the truth and potentially lying. Kind of a fuzzy logic approach. I've been very critical of some, such as Stephen Greer, but I am also sure that parts of his story are true. I just can't tell which parts.

There are certain past life experiences that are so common as to be almost cliche. Connections to Christ, for example, seem common. Who knows what is going on here? Maybe a bunch of people are simply superstitious or need to feel special. Or maybe we share experiences since we are all part of the whole. Or maybe in a reality of infinite timelines and dimensions, Christ 101 is simply a class that many choose to enroll in as they matriculate. Who knows?

Please also be careful (and I'm not saying you're doing this) that when we say "All religion is this" or "All religion is that" that we are actually not just referring to only that flavor of religion that we have been exposed to. Many people have a reaction to all religion based on their exposure to Abrahamic Monotheism, which is practiced by about 54% of the world. There is a whole lot more going on out there.

Yes, religion is used for control. Everyone knows that and it is no great revelation. That is a first-grade understanding of the subject. There is a lot more to it and if we dismiss it entirely, we cannot fully understand the human condition.

Food for thought- Be careful when looking down upon those locked in belief systems that you yourself are not locked in a belief system. As D.T. Suzuki taught us, the only way to gain new knowledge and understanding is to forget what you think you know. This is not only the Zen approach to knowledge, it is also the most scientific approach.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I apologize if I sound preachy, lecturing, or condescending. I don't mean to. Just making my points as best I can.

_()_

[Carmody]

Then we come back to that meta-test of psychic sensitivity reported on in McTaggart's book 'The Field'..... and find that fundamental unconscious (fulcrum/door) belief projects reality formation. (with odds of being incorrect at the billions to one, or more, range).

Thus the blind sheep tactic of the given ages.

How to harvest differential in a holographic space built out of information and intelligence as the fundamentals?