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Kryztian
29th October 2016, 05:25
We Avalonians are no stranger to the idea of conspiracy, but in “polite society”, it is just plain rude to doubt what the nice people on the television are so generously giving us as “information.”
Even if we are aware that some of them are CIA members or secretly attend Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove meetings, you must know it’s because they love and care about us, the world’s sheeople, truly, madly and deeply.

And yet, it’s now 2016, and you can not, not if you don’t care about this election and now something about current U.S. events, I repeat, YOU CAN NOT, fail to be a conspiracy theorist. You have to believe that something is going on behind the scenes. The question is, which kind of conspiracy theorist are you? So, here’s a list of the different possible conspiracy camps:

1) We may have forgotten who the mother of all political conspiracy theorists is: on January 27, 1998, then First Lady Hillary Clinton went on the “Today Show” and told interviewer Matt Lauer:


This is—the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.

She was expressing a sentiment many of her supporters believed. That conservative U.S. politicians were imaging and creating fictitious crimes and mis representing them in the media. Since Hillary (and often Bill) was investigated for the death of Vince Foster, Travelgate, White Water, Benghazi, e-mail gate, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, and was never convicted, this clearly demonstrates her lily white innocence and the fact the right wing is out to get her by fabricating everything it can.

This was held to be a Gospel truth in 1998 and is believe even more fervently now as her supporters cling to her in the fear of what would be a Trump presidency.

2) Then there is the vast neo-liberal conspiracy enacted by the DNC along with the media on behalf of Hillary Clinton and against Donald Trump. While this idea is many months old, Trump himself finally embraced it in his speech of October 13th in Palm Beach:


The Clinton Machine is ... closely and irrevocably tied to media organizations ... the reporters collaborate and conspire directly with the Clinton Campaign on helping her win the election ...

The most powerful weapon deployed by the Clintons is the corporate media. And their agenda is to elect the Clintons at any cost, at any price, no matter how many lives they destroy.

Full Speech transcript at https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/remarks-on-the-clinton-campaign-of-destruction

This version of the conspiracy is embraced much more warmly here on Avalon and is more fresh in everyone’s memory so I will say no more about it.

3) Then there is the conspiracy that Trump is part of a plan to get Clinton elected. That he would first knock any Republican who was a serious challenge to Clinton out of the primary race and then turn the election into a side show carnival devoid of real issues. I first heard this theory in the early Fall of 2015, when the candidates started their first Republican debates, Trump seemed to receive a disproportionate amount of media attention.

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In the last few months, the hostility between both parties seems so real and intense that the idea they could be working together seems to have vanished. Also, Trump has raised some real issues, however, from the vantage point of most moderate to liberal Americans getting there news from main stream media, a few of Trump’s recent off key remarks combined with old dirt that has been dredged up on him, the media really has turned his message into a unabashed freak show. The Trump / Clinton drama now seems to be too intense for anyone to believe that they are secretly friends, just as spectator’s at the Andre the Giant versus Hulk Hogan wrestling match knew by overwhelming emotion at the event, that Worldwide Wrestling Federation could not possibly produce fixed events.

Can we really know what is genuine and sincere, and what is artifice in manipulation, behind the curtain of this multi billion dollar election spectacular?

4) Then there is that idea that the object of “the grand conspiracy” isn’t to get any particular candidate elected, but instead, that the process of an election will do real deep damage to the fabric of American society; that it will divide the American people into factions that are deeply resentful and hateful towards the other factions; that it will keep them from discussing the important issues that are most in their interest, and that it will keep them from evaluating the situation in a way that is rational and evidenced based, and instead, lead people to make simple but highly emotional judgements about what is good and evil, instead of looking at the complexity of all the issues that need to be addressed.

Take for instance the issue of Hillary Clinton’s e-mail. Most people have very firmly held convictions about her innocence and guilt, while they only know just a few fact to support their view. When the FBI announced that they were reopening the case, some instantly concluded that this would be her demise and her guilt would be revealed, while others had the automatic conviction that this was more evidence of the “vast right wing conspiracy” against her. How many people actually stopped to ask what the new evidence was and thought it could be evaluated in an open ended way, without a foregone conclusion about her guilt or innocence? We have been seriously dumbed down.

If Trump or Clinton is elected in two weeks, they are going to be the most hated President ever. And that is not two years into their term, that is at the outset. The United States of America is going to be the most angry and irritable (at least at a political level) nation in the world.

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I think all of the four ideas of conspiracy have a certain traction and truth to them, even if they do seem to contradict one another. I am not saying that any one is more right or wrong that the other, just noting how complex the idea of “conspiracy” is, and how it is part of everyone’s thinking, and necessarily so.

On the other hand, we really don’t know what goes on in closed door meetings and we don’t know how sincere the political statements we hear really are. We see the two dimensional figure of the politician projected onto screens and in newsprint and we think we know who they really are: their real motives and motivations, their real skills and their real thoughts. But we don’t, even though there is a real human being behind the projected two dimensional image. And yet we find our selves loving and hating them, of project more love and hatred toward them then anyone we know and interact with daily in our real lives.

And I will admit that until election day, I will, despite my best efforts, continue to foolishly project my emotional energy (mostly negative) into the television screen towards these two individuals thinking I know who they really are and what they are about.

enfoldedblue
29th October 2016, 06:40
I agree. I was just saying that gone are the days of innocence when people actually believed...that politicians were working for the greater good, that corruption was a third world problem, and that integrity and politics weren't mutually exclusive. Today people know that the political circus is a facade that is dark and twisted beneath the surface. Yet as you say even though we know there is a dark underside... there is no clear coherent perception of the exact nature of what exactly is hiding in the dark...and this perpetuates the divisions that keep us from transcending the situation. Nice break down. Thanks for posting.

Cidersomerset
29th October 2016, 11:42
All good points and the jury is out on all four imo . The next worry is who is going to
count and validate the election results. After the mainstream pro Clinton propaganda
to set up the electorate for a Hillary win, the ' Trumpster' won't go away. Of course
TPTB are quite capable of switching candidate support and I expect they have plenty
of dirt on the Donald as well. This control mechanism goes back a long way to Wilson
and before , but in the present context since 1990 and the end of the cold war and
the rise of the neo -con factions in the republican and now democratic party which
is why there is so much support for Hillary within the Washington bubble and political
elites around the country. There is obviously a lot more nuances and interpretations
to what is happening...

I just watched a vid posted by turiya and I have not listened to Cliff High for quite
a while and the discussion is very interesting imo.


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turiya posted this in his thread and it does go into the deep state conspiracy question...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1109059&viewfull=1#post1109059

Greg Hunter interviews Cliff High telling of his Webbot prediction regarding Trump winning
by a huge landslide... on an order of magnitude of 25:1, however, with the Deep State
involved with this, it may not be materialized for it to be seen... level of confusion looks
like we're moving into a banana republic - as far as the voters are concerned... polls are
100% manufactured & phony... this confusion will reach into the markets... Deep State
lies about everything... MSM is going to die as the dollar starts plunging...

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Clif High-Silver the Metal to Own-Huge Demand Coming
(Published on Oct 27, 2016)

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My quick response on the thread...



Quote Greg Hunter interviews Clif High telling of his Webbot
prediction regarding Trump winning by a huge landslide...


I have not heard Cliff for a while and whether he is correct or not,
always interesting reports and I like his Putin Judo analogy at the end.

He is bringing his info partly from an alternate view and I liked
how he brought in UFO's , deep state , chemtrails and other
control memes so matter of factually. I don't know if Greg
Hunters usual audience is used to this as I have not seen
his podcasts before ? Though Greg himself seemed unperturbed.

good stuff...........


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After not listening to Greg before the next vid is with Catherine Austin Fitts
which I am listening to now...


Catherine Austin Fitts-Clintons Addicted to Privilege

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Published on 23 Oct 2016

Cidersomerset
29th October 2016, 14:22
Just posting some articles from Davids todays headline page on the FBI Hillary
thread as he posted a quick reminder of what she represents ....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91646-FBI-quizzes-Hillary-Clinton-on-emails-2-July-2016-Hillary-Lied-Under-Oath.....&p=1109153&viewfull=1#post1109153



Hillary Clinton, Pure Evil - David Icke

By David on 29 October 2016 GMT

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Published on 24 Aug 2016

ghostrider
29th October 2016, 16:14
No matter who sits in the big chair , half the population will be happy, the other half angry... mission accomplished-divide and conquer...the people have alowed themselves to be put into groups,while they wait for someone to fix all the problems created by giving away their power and letting an outside force determine their fate... a game those in the know have played since cosmic foreign people set foot on planet Earth-take advantage of lower evolved races ... the conspiracy for me is the same blueprint is used and people dont see it for what it is ... i am god/saviour/king/just follow my rules/agenda/ideas and you will live better ... ha , that thinking always leads to suffering in the end ... if we just learn to co-exsist , balance with nature , and limit our actions so as not to cause harm to others, we might have a chance...

Justplain
29th October 2016, 16:42
Another huge issue is the trustworthiness of the american federal election voting mechanism. People wont trust the vote count tallies because of fraud fears. I believe the 2004 election was the first where exit polls didnt match the results, linked to the huge increase in computerized vote tallying systems. Clinton Eugene Curtis, a computer programmer, admits that he worked on ballot counting software fraud used in the 2004 presidential election:

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Apparently a George Soros company is providing election ballot counting software to numerous states.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/soros-connected-company-provides-voting-machines-in-16-states/

Trump raised the issue of election fraud already in this campaign. Even if he wins, doubts will linger about who really won. This will likely fuel the dissatisfaction with this election, with ramifications no one can predict.

betoobig
31st October 2016, 17:59
Flash-Mob Meditations To Occur At Voting Stations During Election
On November 8th, 2016, hundreds and possibly thousands flash-mob meditations will commence at the polling stations everywhere across America. Elevate The Vote says that “this is a non-partisan participatory event that is open to everyone. It’s about the fundamental unity of human life that seems to have been so forgotten in this campaign.”

The intention is to “elevate the consciousness of every U.S. voter on election day, impacting how we feel about ourselves, politics, this election, and each other.”
from http://themindunleashed.com/2016/10/flash-mob-meditations-to-occur-at-voting-stations-during-election.html

Much love