The Evil Empire is being destroyed

[ThePythonicCow]

The "evil empire" of the Soviet Union was destroyed, and now Putin has very high levels of support within Russia.

Now similar tides of "throw out the evil elite war mongering bastards" are sweeping Europe and the US

In Europe, the European Union, European Central Bank, and NATO are being increasingly discredited, with mass migration of immigrants who have no intention to assimilate, with economic sanctions imposed by the US on Russia that mostly hurt Europe, and with a pending major economic/financial/monetary/banking collapse. Those following events in Europe more closely than I am could likely add to this list.

In the US, decades of fraud, deceit, never ending wars, boom then bust economic cycles, threats to take guns, destroying the lives of ordinary citizens (abortions, vaccines, Common Core schooling, pharmaceuticals, the world's largest imprisoned enslaved population, ...), lying media, lying politicians, Supreme Court justices sold out to corporations, ... are alienating many of the population.

The U.S. situation is apparently being brought to a climax with the Presidential election, to be held next week, Tuesday, November 8.

In the movie series Star Wars, Luke Skywalker (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker) was a Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master who was instrumental in defeating the Galactic Empire and the Sith during the Galactic Civil War.

In the US election, it seems that Donald Trump is cast as Luke. He may seem like an unlikely person for that role, but Trump does have decades of experience in the public lime light, speaking boldly as his own person to large audiences, and he does have a decade of television experience, in the leading role on the series The Apprentice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._TV_series)). Trump is a quick learner, and seems to be stepping up to this new "Presidential" role quite well (as did an earlier TV actor, Ronald Reagan, when the "evil empire" role was played by the Soviet Union, not by the U.S., as it is now.)

There are many who have chosen to cast their lot with the Evil Empire, such as: the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate,
the drug traffickers,
the OPEC/Saudi/US petro-dollar complex,
the US main stream media,
corrupt major polling services,
corrupt election and voting institutions,
many lobbyists and corrupt politicians in Washington, and
large portions of the military-industrial-intelligence complex.

These Evil Empire functionaries and parasites realize that they must not lose this US Presidential election. Donald Trump's intention to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary and the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate is but one of many reasons that the Evil Empire knows it must go "all in" (poker term for betting everything on the current hand) on this election.

The main stream media and major polling services have dropped almost all pretense of being fair and balanced, in their support for Hillary.

Election turn out is being pumped up to historically high levels, with long lines for early-voting in many locations last week and expected to continue this week.

This US election is pumped up like the biggest Superbowl (American football) contest of the decade. (I guess that the proper analogy would be with a World Cup Final contest, for the rest of the world.)

Enthusiasm for Trump, as judged by the size and energy of the turn-out for his speeches and rallies, far exceeds enthusiasm for Hillary. Last minute "October Surprises" such as James Comey announcing that the FBI was reopening its investigation against Hillary, are turning against Hillary.

I predict that Trump wins, perhaps narrowly in the Electoral College, but by landslide margins in the areas reasonably free of election and voting fraud.

However, I further predict that the Election will not end with the announced results, after polls close, the evening of Tuesday, Nov 8, 2016.

(P.S. -- Perhaps Trump loses narrowly in the Electoral College, but wins heavily in the popular vote, due to sufficient election fraud in a few critical states to "steal" them for Hillary by narrow margins. This could be enough to motivate a change that I am sure the elite bastards would love - replacing the state-by-state Electoral College system with a national popular vote system for deciding the election. Such a change would disenfranchise various corrupt local political machines that can steal individual states, and put the real power in the national media, which can manipulate the entire nation's vote. "National Election Reform" might also be accomplished here, further centralizing control of the mechanisms of voting. This could be associated with improved "ID" standards, identifying legal voters.)

I predict that the Evil Empire, the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate, the "liberal" (lying) main stream media, and the lobbyists, bureacrats, and politicians who have sold their soul to the dark side will make one last grand push for power and to turn, or keep, the election for Hillary.

At the same time, the economic/financial/monetary collapse that I've been predicting for years now will finally unfold, threatening the food supply of ordinary Americans. A deadlocked federal government will be unable to pass a new budget to fund the government, when the current budget expires December 11. Foodstamps (on which a large portion of the lower class depend for food) and other government benefit payments will be suspended.

The dastardly treachery, treason and deceit of this effort will become obvious to an increasingly large portion of the population. "White hats" within the US government will push back. They will begin indictments and convictions of key people, such as Hillary.

[Thanks to Ken over at RedefiningGod.com, for the thoughts in the next two paragraphs, as well as various other thoughts above and below.]

If these indictments of Hillary and such proceed quickly enough, then current President Obama and Vice President Biden may be forced out of office, putting the next in the Presidential Succession line into office, which would be House Speaker Paul Ryan. Ryan is a loyal member of the current Evil Empire, and more of a war-hawk than Obama.

This could escalate to a major regional war against Russia in the Middle East, which would be short and brutal. The U.S. would lose, big time.

A major drama is being built to a climax, that will involve multiple agendas and memes.

Sometime next spring or summer of 2017, Putin and (then President) Trump will sit down at a table together, to work together on signing some major agreements. The American neocons and the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicates will join the Soviet Union in the dustbin of history. Major economic, monetary and financial reform, world-wide, will replace the current New York centered banksters who have been funding the Evil Empire, collecting (stealing) profits from the drug trade, the oil trade, and the financial instruments of mass destruction, and pumping global debt levels (individual, corporate and government) to never seen before, completely unsustainable, levels.

A "new dawn" will rise over humanity. Unfortunately however, the new dawn will be over a humanity even more deeply and subtly controlled by world wide centralized institutions of governance, money, finance, trade, media, and information flow ... and we'll love it. We will be contented cows in our fenced-in pastures, soon loosing all memory of when our ancestors roamed the surface of this planet free.

Americans will have a few years of rough economic times, as they readjust to being a country that can produce and export as much as they import, without having the "exceptional" benefit of issuing the world's reserve currency.

Europeans might not complete their climax unitl a year later, with the major French and German elections in the fall of 2017, after which the EU and NATO will also be swept into the dustbin of history.

(Beware that I have laced the above with about 50% grossly incorrect forecasts, to keep the Elite Bastards from getting too upset with me or my post. Just one little problem: I don't know which 50% is incorrect.)

[araucaria]

Thank you Paul. There is one additional element to this picture: Hillary Clinton was such a dreadful presidential candidate that her real place has always been under the bus for those who really count. This means that something bigger is on the way, maybe Project Firesign, of which someone posted a video on Avalon, but others are also talking about: http://exopolitics.org/leaked-document-recommends-false-flag-alien-invasion-to-save-clinton-campaign/

This is the extraterrestrial invasion scenario we have been talking about for some time now. If this plays out at some stage, then the current electoral context is a likely candidate. If/when it happens, people will be looking to ET/UFO-savvy websites for guidance. It is of the greatest importance at this juncture that sites like Avalon do not buy into the fraud and are able to convey the complsex message whereby yes, ET is here, and no, this is not the real deal. I would go as far as to say that for the last five years we have been training for this moment.

[norman]

Yes, Hillary and Trump have been cartoon candidates from the get go. There is much more to this 'election' season than meets the eye, I'm sure.

Was "Operation Jade Helm" every actually declared over and done?

[Justplain]

Paul, i think you are right that trump, and bernie sanders, represent a turn in the tide of american public opinion against corruption. This is also signalled elsewhere in brexit, recent icelandic elections and Virginia Raggi, the recently elected mayor of Rome, who won on an anti-corruption mandate:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Raggi

The problem is that i dont see that trump gets elected, cuz even tho he's put up a good fight, clinton is still in the lead and tptb prefer her, and they will find a way to get her elected. For instance, a george soros company is providing ballot counting machines to 16 states:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines

With Clinton elected, expect the proxy war with russia to escalate and possibly expand to iran and north korea. This will also lead to further decline in american civil liberties and world peace. A killary presidency could make jr. bush's term look like a love in.

Its a sad day when clinton gets elected, but it almost seems inevitable.

[Camilo]

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Mutiny Reopened Clinton Investigation

https://youtu.be/rp5UrI3z1j0
Published on Oct 29, 2016
Upcoming leaks pertaining to Hillary Clinton have forced the hand of the FBI into re-opening their investigation into the crooked candidate.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Is difficult to know where to post info about Hillary and what's happening in USA elections as there are so many threads going.

I'll post this here and on another. Reason for posting on this thread as Corbett's interview with Michel Chossudovsky of GlobalResearch.ca suggests looking at who's behind Comey's decision. Several scenarios are suggested one of which is Mr. Global no longer sees Hillary as viable candidate.

My thoughts: if that is the case, what might they have to prepare for to keep peace here?

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1223-parsing-the-comey-letter-with-michel-chossudovsky/

[ThePythonicCow]

(P.S. -- Perhaps Trump loses narrowly in the Electoral College, but wins heavily in the popular vote, due to sufficient election fraud in a few critical states to "steal" them for Hillary by narrow margins. This could be enough to motivate a change that I am sure the elite bastards would love - replacing the state-by-state Electoral College system with a national popular vote system for deciding the election. Such a change would disenfranchise various corrupt local political machines that can steal individual states, and put the real power in the national media, which can manipulate the entire nation's vote. "National Election Reform" might also be accomplished here, further centralizing control of the mechanisms of voting. This could be associated with improved "ID" standards, identifying legal voters.)

In further support of the possibility that this US Presidential election leads to Electoral College "reform", notice that such "reform" requires a change to the US Constitution, where the Electoral College is mandated. It is usually the "defenders of the US Constition" who would most likely resist changing the Constitution to something that depends directly on the popular vote. So to get any such change through, it would be best to motivate the change with a highly controversial election in which it was the Electoral College that hurt conservatives (aka Republicans, aka Constitutionalists) the most.

This would be the opposite of the famous Bush-Gore election in 2000, when it was Democrat Al Gore who won the popular vote over Republican George W. Bush, but Bush who won the Electoral College (after a controversy over a very close vote in Florida that was settled by the Supreme Court). So in the 2000 election, it would have been the Republican (conservative, constitutionalist, ...) voters who were favored by the current Electoral College system, and hence by both their political leanings (pro-constitutionalist) and the immediate results of that election, highly unlikely to support an ammendment to change the Electoral College provisions in the US Constitution.

This time could turn out having the popular vote favor the Republican (conservative, constitutionalist, ...) voters for Trump, with Clinton trying to use the Electoral College to get the office of Presidency. Such an outcome would significantly soften the resistance of normally Constitution supporting citizens to a Constitutional ammendment removing the Electoral College. The greater the imbalance of the popular vote towards Trump, the easier it would be to sell this. Also the more outrageous and fraudulent the attempted abuse of the Electoral College by a desperate Clinton campaign, the easier it would be to sell this.

By "popular vote", I mean simply the total number of votes, across the entire United States, cast for each candidate.

The "Electoral College" on the other hand decides things on a state by state basis. Each state gets some number of "electors", and it is these electors that the cititzens are voting for in the general Presidential election. Those electors in turn meet and decide who they will submit to Congress as being the winner of the election. The Electoral College favors the smaller (lower population) states over the larger states, because each state gets two electors automatically, plus some additional number, in proportion to their population. Low population "fly-over" states like Wyoming and North Dakota would make almost no difference whatsoever in a "popular vote" based system, as they have fewer people each than even a medium sized city in a larger state.

Weaking the influence of "fly-over" rural America has long been an objective of the elite bastards ... those people are less easy to herd, and more willing to defend their freedom, than people in urban areas. And the land that those rural people live on often has important mineral resources or rights of way for gas and oil pipelines, that the elite would like to gain full control over.

So ... I am predicting (1) a great imbalance in the popular vote, favoring Trump, (2) outrageous and fraudulent abuse of the Electoral College by Clinton, and (3) a likely successful effort to use these events to amend the US Constitution to remove the Electoral College.

[thunder24]

THIS MAY not be popular amongst those that follow, but personally I think the system is completely faulty... We all, in merica get ingulfed in the election but really, its faction against faction vying for dominance, non of the common folk really have a say... The system of civilization as a whole is phuked. We do not stand together and want to argue about law and constitution as such when in reality Nazi America since world war duece has not changed leadership. You want to change something, ban together with normal dumb humans ( yes i said it) ex: watch Joe Rogan live from 2005 what he says about dumb people: and say no more.... its not gonna happen, because we are dumb and can't agree on anything. I love talking politics and getting into this ****, but at the end of the day it don't matter, there is a fascist oligarchic machine working, and until we stand together as humans not parties and ideologies and say no more it is going to continue.

SIDE RANT: People talk about how oil and climate change is a huge factor, but what are those people doing to gather the dumb together and say no more... We must realize that resources of the current paradigm must be utilized to get us to free energy and renewable energy quicker but where is that happening in mass and in unison? I know it is happening but it gets no play on media, instead we are concerned with D versus R....or however you wanna play it, what ever label you wanna use... We have to find common ground and quit philosiphying over minutia....END OF RANT.

I am against both candidates in this election and if you are not, I hope you wake up soon and decide to say NO to the lesser of two evils and any evil at all... peace https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1360015674012966/ watch this video from 2000 if someone can pull it off youtube please do.... I endorse and vote for no one.

[Satori]

Paul,

What you are addressing goes to the issue of social planning, which is done on many levels. E.g, monetary and fiscal/taxation policy. I read you to suggest a huge social plan that would reshape the fabric of our republic and constitutional system, not by amending the Constitution per se, but by an amendment to the Constitution that would centralize, even further, all power and control into the hands of the few. That few being the central banksters, et al. There would be a mere appearance of a national election if your prediction were to materialize. You could be right, but...Time will tell.

[thunder24]

THIS MAY not be popular amongst those that follow, but personally I think the system is completely faulty... We all, in merica get ingulfed in the election but really, its faction against faction vying for dominance, non of the common folk really have a say... The system of civilization as a whole is phuked. We do not stand together and want to argue about law and constitution as such when in reality Nazi America since world war duece has not changed leadership. You want to change something, ban together with normal dumb humans ( yes i said it) ex: watch Joe Rogan live from 2005 what he says about dumb people: and say no more.... its not gonna happen, because we are dumb and can't agree on anything. I love talking politics and getting into this ****, but at the end of the day it don't matter, there is a fascist oligarchic machine working, and until we stand together as humans not parties and ideologies and say no more it is going to continue.

SIDE RANT: People talk about how oil and climate change is a huge factor, but what are those people doing to gather the dumb together and say no more... We must realize that resources of the current paradigm must be utilized to get us to free energy and renewable energy quicker but where is that happening in mass and in unison? I know it is happening but it gets no play on media, instead we are concerned with D versus R....or however you wanna play it, what ever label you wanna use... We have to find common ground and quit philosiphying over minutia....END OF RANT.

I am against both candidates in this election and if you are not, I hope you wake up soon and decide to say NO to the lesser of two evils and any evil at all... peace https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1360015674012966/ watch this video from 2000 if someone can pull it off youtube please do.... I endorse and vote for no one.

damn I just read the first post paul...wow brother, Im sorry you are so engulfed in all this.... I didn't right my post to offend you or anything like that...but brother i think you need to open you mind up a little more to the system at play...its an opinion but still Ill own it....WOW


I predict that the Evil Empire, the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime syndicate, the "liberal" (lying) main stream media, and the lobbyists, bureacrats, and politicians who have sold their soul to the dark side will make one last grand push for power and to turn, or keep, the election for Hillary.

At the same time, the economic/financial/monetary collapse that I've been predicting for years now will finally unfold, threatening the food supply of ordinary Americans. A deadlocked federal government will be unable to pass a new budget to fund the government, when the current budget expires December 11. Foodstamps (on which a large portion of the lower class depend for food) and other government benefit payments will be suspended.
i agree

[ThePythonicCow]

I am just now listening to a video posted over here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94197-The-connections-between-Alex-Jones-and-Trump&p=1109775&viewfull=1#post1109775) by Akasha, of Freeman interviewing Josh Reeves.

Freeman has come to many of the same conclusions as I have above.

Starting at 49:00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-Oya-AFkk), Freeman says:

We have this whole fiasco that's going on with Hillary and her lies, and even Trump saying that "If I were in power, you'd be in jail." This election looks like, to me, if I were going to be a psychological warfare analyst, I would say that Trump is going to win the public vote, that he is going to be a landslide, but will happen is that Hillary will win and that all of this is just going to culminate in a massive disconnect in the American public and an astounding fiasco that probably ends with World War III.

Here's this Freeman interview, if you want to listen to more of it:
vd-Oya-AFkk

My prediction (low confidence) is that it won't be a full scale, global, World War III, because, as I've said before, the elite bastards want to own this planet, not vaporize it. Rather I expect it will be short, brutal and mostly regional war, concentrated in the Middle East, and that it might likely happen during some brief period when Paul Ryan (currently Speaker of the House, and in line of succession to the office of the President behind the Vice President) is the President, after Obama and (current Vice President) Joe Biden have been unseated, as part of a breaking scandal involving the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, prior to Trump becoming the President for the next four year term.

In short - fasten your seatbelts - the radar shows potential turbulence ahead.

[ThePythonicCow]

damn I just read the first post paul...wow brother, Im sorry you are so engulfed in all this.... I didn't right my post to offend you or anything like that...but brother i think you need to open you mind up a little more to the system at play...its an opinion but still Ill own it....WOW
I wrote mostly not as a participant in this American political theatre, but as an observer, analyzing how the elite are using this theatre (and various other memes and mechanisms and methods) to "manage" humanity. I have in the past been an active participant -- on the feminist liberal Democrat side in my 30's, and on the conservative Republican side in my 50's, and I have followed US politics for half a century now.

Studying the methods used by those who would imprison or mass manipulate you and your fellow humans doesn't mean you endorse any of those methods. Awareness is an essential step to freedom.

If you listen to more of the Freeman interview I posted just above, you will hear evidence that Trump is as deeply entwined with the spellcasters who are producing this theatre as the Clintons.

[ThePythonicCow]

Certainly the meme of election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race is being heavily hyped, from Trump himself, Alex Jones, and various other "alt-media" sources.

[ponda]

If you listen to more of the Freeman interview I posted just above, you will hear evidence that Trump is as deeply entwined with the spellcasters who are producing this theatre as the Clintons.


Interesting interview.

Speaking of spellcasters, i was wondering if there was an illuminati game card that featured anything that might resemble Trump. Sure enough...


https://reptiliandimension.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/enoughistrump.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjZPlprj6o

[norman]

Certainly the meme of election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race is being heavily hyped, from Trump himself, Alex Jones, and various other "alt-media" sources.

I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.

see here:
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What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.

I wasn't replying to anyone, but adding a brief note, in support of my opening thesis. A Google search for "election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race" will bring up many mentions of this, for those who hadn't noticed.


What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.
The point of my noticing this was not to observe that they can steal elections. As you observe that's long been a capability of the powerful.

My point was to observe that it's a major meme leading up to this election. Various alt-media sources, and Trump himself, are reminding us of this ... raising our fear level that the election might be stolen.

There's the real dangers, whatever they are.

And then there's the dangers that "they" remind us of, raise our fear of.

There is often a poor correlation between the real dangers and the hyped dangers

One can start to see what sorts of games they are playing with our heads, by noticing what they apparently want us to be afraid of, the dangers they hype.

Raising a fear level on some danger, then making that danger happen, in a major way, can manipulate the public into accepting the "remedy", such as "election reform" (federal control of election counting and replacing the Electoral College with a national popular vote based system, being possible remedies in this case.)

[thunder24]

I don't understand what you are replying to with this Paul. Please fill me in on where you get this perspective from. Meme or not, Bev Harris has the evidence that electronic election fraud has been real since at least 2006.

I wasn't replying to anyone, but adding a brief note, in support of my opening thesis. A Google search for "election fraud in this 2016 US Presidential race" will bring up many mentions of this, for those who hadn't noticed.


What intrigues me the most is that if they can fix any election ( which they obviously can ), why even bother having such a pantomime as this, unless it's a data gathering exercise.
The point of my noticing this was not to observe that they can steal elections. As you observe that's long been a capability of the powerful.

My point was to observe that it's a major meme leading up to this election. Various alt-media sources, and Trump himself, are reminding us of this ... raising our fear level that the election might be stolen.

There's the real dangers, whatever they are.

And then there's the dangers that "they" remind us of, raise our fear of.

There is often a poor correlation between the real dangers and the hyped dangers

One can start to see what sorts of games they are playing with our heads, by noticing what they apparently want us to be afraid of, the dangers they hype.

Raising a fear level on some danger, then making that danger happen, in a major way, can manipulate the public into accepting the "remedy", such as "election reform" (federal control of election counting and replacing the Electoral College with a national popular vote based system, being possible remedies in this case.)

are you against the whole system collapsing ? if so is it because of the loss of human life and continuity of what is?

are you for the whole system collapsing? if so why? genuine questions...thankyou

[ThePythonicCow]

are you against the whole system collapsing ? if so is it because of the loss of human life and continuity of what is?

are you for the whole system collapsing? if so why? genuine questions...thankyou

This is getting off topic ... for reasons I will explain.

I take positions on things I can understand and influence, but that's not of much interest here.

I have about as much influence over whether "the whole system collapses" as a passenger on the Titanic had over whether that ship sank. Perhaps, if one of the passengers has been a James Bond type, with detailed knowledge of what was planned and how, then that passenger could have changed history. But for most of us, most of the time, when dealing with larger affairs, the limit on our effectiveness is our understanding and awareness, not which "side" we take on some nebulously large issue.

The elite bastards are herding us, like live stock. The above posts of mine on this thread analyze one example of that herding ... herding of the American people using events surrounding the US Presidential election.

By analyzing where and how they are herding us, we can better understand what's going on, better adapt and change things to our benefit, and better resist some of the mass manipulation.

What matters in such cases are not your nor my individual choices, so much as what are the many choices, made by many people, from a position of improved understanding and awareness.

[thunder24]

This is getting off topic ... for reasons I will explain.

I take positions on things I can understand and influence, but that's not of much interest here......

I have about as much influence over whether "the whole system collapses" as a passenger on the Titanic had over whether that ship sank. ......

Be analyzing where and how they are herding us, we can better understand what's going on, better adapt and change things to our benefit, and better resist some of the mass manipulation.

What matters in such cases are not your nor my individual choices, so much as what are the many choices, made by many people, from a position of improved understanding and awareness.

I disagree, i think you have large influence per your position as an admin on this forum, whether you agree or not... look at how many people are on here now... its a spider web of influence...

Many people, many choices... i agree... but until WE stand together and say NO MORE... gathered as individuals with the choice, then this will continue... a small ripple or sneeze can become a tidal wave, and until those that disagree come together for a united purpose this tidal wave won't happen... the empire is being destroyed...is this the place to come up with solutions or a different thread?

[ThePythonicCow]

I disagree, i think you have large influence per your position as an admin on this forum, whether you agree or not... look at how many people are on here now... its a spider web of influence...

Many people, many choices... i agree... but until WE stand together and say NO MORE... gathered as individuals with the choice, then this will continue... a small ripple or sneeze can become a tidal wave, and until those that disagree come together for a united purpose this tidal wave won't happen... the empire is being destroyed...is this the place to come up with solutions or a different thread?

Yes - I have influence here - at least on matters where I have a track record of providing value.

And I am choosing here to use my influence to help others understand how we (humanity) are being played with, in this particular example of the US Presidential election.

I would suggest that some other thread (feel free to link from here, for those with an interest) would be a better place to investigate solutions.

I find investigating solutions is like being a hungry cat. The "solution" might be to eat, but if one's a barn cat that lives off what one can catch, one first has to wait for a mouse to scurry within reach. Only the house cat gets food on demand <grin>. Solutions are like that, and we're like barn cats. We must explore; our curiosity will find new possibilities; then outside our conscious control, mice will (we hope) appear.

[Sueanne47]

I didnt find a picture of Donald as Luke Skywalker....but I found
one of him as jar jar binks :

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Emperor Killary Palpatine :

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Obi-Wan Obama :

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Sith Soros :

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[7alon]

lol thanks for this Sueanne, gave me a good chuckle. I need it from time to time when dealing with all this kinda stuff.

[Sueanne47]

We cant forget Darth Vader Bush :

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[Lifebringer]

The oil companies and pharma may be trying to stop her from disclosing with Podesta? That too was in the leaks with Edgar Mitchell wanting a sit down with Obama?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think Trump is a Trojan horse. He is not anti-establishment at all, being a billionaire.

His job was to throw a completely believable orchestrated wrench into the fray. He was claimed to be a rogue candidate, not even accepted by his own party. Those that rallied to his cause were the prize. Each has been added to the list - those against the establishment. They will be picked off, murdered, compromised, demonized and destroyed in the coming years.

And Hillary will then win, as always has been the plan. But she will have the list to weaken her enemies.

[norman]

I think Trump is a Trojan horse. He is not anti-establishment at all, being a billionaire.

His job was to throw a completely believable orchestrated wrench into the fray. He was claimed to be a rogue candidate, not even accepted by his own party. Those that rallied to his cause were the prize. Each has been added to the list - those against the establishment. They will be picked off, murdered, compromised, demonized and destroyed in the coming years.

And Hillary will then win, as always has been the plan. But she will have the list to weaken her enemies.

hah, I wouldn't have thought to say it quite like that but I think you have got the essentials all in there.

[joeecho]

I think Trump is a Trojan horse. He is not anti-establishment at all, being a billionaire.


The Establishment ultimately runs the whole election process so one has to wonder if anyone running under an 'anti-establishment' title isn't, by default, a Trojan horse.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xkRgdsTyv_k/Vz8Ol6f2FDI/AAAAAAAAFaU/_i3K-L6VvFAZyXXhAW2_BHvDpKMulUi0QCLcB/s1600/freedom_of_choice.png

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[joeecho]

By analyzing where and how they are herding us, we can better understand what's going on, better adapt and change things to our benefit, and better resist some of the mass manipulation.



This is an excellent analysis. Managing the herd mentality is a big part of what the government does. A government takes notice if a non-government entity were to garner the attention of the herd and altering it's course in a way that is not sanction by that government.

If someone were to come out of the woodwork that appeared anti-establishment and was seemingly making headway on altering the course of the heard though that government was not coming down hard on them, one should be suspicious that they are not what they appear to be. Of course one would need to be in tuned with what a governments real plans are for the herd at that particular point in time for that idea to apply.

[Satori]

Numerous posts on this Forum make me recall the song by the Fabulous Thunderbirds: "Why Get Up." Stick that name and title into a search engine for the song. (Here's a quote: "This whole worlds gone crazy, think I've seen enough. I'm going to sleep forever, why get up?")

That phrase does not depict how I really feel (like you I do getup every day), but I have to say that this endless tail-chasing, round-and-round merry-go-round, seemingly and often pointless dialogue on many of the threads, often devoid of any meaningful suggestions for positive action to be taken by anyone commensurate with the gravity of the situations under discussion, is enough to make one not give two bits (i.e., a US quarter-dollar coin) for what people have to say regarding their opinions about what is going down in this crazy world.

They (TBTB) have most everyone so divided, distracted, dumbed-down, and depressed that it is nearly impossible to get enough people on the same sheet of music to even agree on what should be done, much less actually take steps towards doing anything. If we cannot even agree on what the material and relevant facts are, we won't agree on what the issues are, and consequently we won't agree on solutions. Thus, we remain divided by the wedge issues they create and we never join together in a united front against our common enemy. They've got us right where they want us and have for quite some time.

I have said this before on other posts. (Others have too, I believe.) There is a relatively simple way to defeat them in the not too distant future. The solution is simple to state, and not impracticable to do--though it will not be easy in the short term. (But it will get better as time passes as there are viable alternatives that are tried and true.) It can be done without violent revolution instigated by We The People. It is their Achilles heel and they know it. But, they don't want you to know it; which is why they pick off (or try to pick off) one-by-one the Joe Bannisters, Edgar Steeles, Peter Hendricksons, and Larkin Roses of the world.

We must deprive them of their source of energy. We must starve the creature. We must stop borrowing their worthless funny "money" lent/borrowed into existence at interest. We must stop repaying any debt incurred under the auspices of any central banking system (I'm not talking about family and friends from whom you borrowed). And, equally as important, we must stop paying taxes, especially at the state and national levels. It is these twin evils, central banking/monetary policy and fiscal/taxation-confiscation, that are the source of all that ails us, root and branch. Right those ships and all else will fall into place.

That's my 5 cents worth. (2 cents adjusted for inflation thanks to the evil twins just mentioned.)

[enigma3]

Most excellent post. I have not been a fan of the electoral college for many years. I understand why the founding fathers put it in the constitution, but the time has come for a change.

I also am not a fan of the popular vote. Way too much chance of skulduggery there too (see Cook county in the 1960 presidential race). I would advocate an electoral college where the electoral vote is proportionally divided between the candidates. This will entail a redo of the number of electoral votes each state has. More electoral votes for each state so the proportion is closer to the popular vote. As an example, California now has 100 electoral votes. Every state could have this number. Then say Trump gets 54% of the popular vote. He now gets 54 electoral votes in Cali. There is still a buffer between the popular vote and the electoral vote, but now every state is in play, so no more concentrating on the swing states.

I am also not a fan at all of electronic voting. We MUST cut out people like Soros. Back to a paper ballot without the possibility of hanging chads.

[Sueanne47]

Us in the UK have gone through the same torment with Brexit. I never dreamed that Brexit would happen and we would remain in the EU. We were threatened with WW3, terrible catastrophies would happen with our jobs, a financial crash, and obummer saying 'we'd be at the back of the queue' if we vote out of europe...all fear porn cooked up by the establishment.

What got me was the uninformed idiots voting remain making out they are so superior to everyone else...just like killary voters do.

DRAIN THE SWAMP! :croc:

[ThePythonicCow]

I think Trump is a Trojan horse. He is not anti-establishment at all, being a billionaire.
Trump is not just a common man, quite true.

But my current take is that it is the Bush/Clinton/Neocon/Petro-Dollar bunch that drew the short straw in this conflict. They will lose, big time.

Trump will become, as has Putin in Russia, a President with high approval ratings.

After a dramatic climax of conflict, likely within months, centered in the Middle East, Trump and Putin and their chosen aids and other nations will work together, negotiating deals that can be sold to the people of each nation as good deals, in a multi-polar, post "American Empire" world. The deals will invest international organizations with greater powers. The new world order won't be one of isolated nations, each promising to stay out of the other's affairs. Rather it will be presented as nations cooperating, for the benefit of all nations, which will be seen as far better than nations being brought to heel (or destroyed) by the former evil American emipre.

Similarly, on the financial, economic, monetary front, after a very dramatic collapse of the current "central banking" model that has had a reserve currency (in which major debt and contracts are denominated) of the US Petro-Dollar, the new world monetary order will have something like the supra-national SDR as the central reserve currency, in which a new round of senior debt-money can be denominated. Some of the debt, promises, wealth (stocks, bonds, college degrees, insurance plans, real estate equity, and other ways that people, corporations and governments thought they "had something coming", some asset of value) will collapse or default. Some of that wealth will be inflated away with an abundance of new currency lent into existence on the new SDR foundation. SDR's are founded on a basket of the major currencies, and the major currencies will gain an increased foundation on a (much) higher valuation attributed to their national gold reserves. Some of the present stored wealth (if held in the right form, by the "right" people or institutions) will be carried across, maintaining or even gaining value. The debt-money game of making us all seem richer by continually increasing the promises of future wealth, far past what the future will provide, simply cannot go on forever. Old balloons must be popped and promises wiped out, so that the game can begin again, with new balloons.

However I am getting off this thread's topic.

I have written more extensively, for some time now, in other posts, of my thoughts on debt-money and other such monetary and economic matters.

The topic of this thread is more focused (not surprisingly, given the headlines of the day) on politics, rather than economics.

The point of this thread, underlying my (probably flawed, once again) forecast of upcoming events in this US Presidential election, is to describe how "they" are playing "Good cop, bad cop" with us. The Clintons head the bad cops, and have, along with the Bush's, neocons and others, infiltrated many important positions in the US federal government. Trump leads the good cops. Those portions of the main stream media and federal government who stick by the Clintons will be discredited. But ...and this is the important result to note:
The US is shifting major policies from being the world's hegemon, to cooperating with other major nations to build a new world order.
Part of the point of the drama we are seeing, and will be seeing even more of soon, in the US Presidential election, is a classic play, acted out on the Web and TV and such, rather than on a Shakespearean stage. The villains and the heros, the back and forth of good and evil and comic ... all part of the usual dramatic production.

We can't storm the stage and stop the play. They have AC-130 gunships against our bolt action rifles. The "gun grabbing" threat is just another one of the many ways they trigger some of us to react emotionally. The play ceases to have its intended effect if too many people in the audience realize it's just being staged, playing on our usual propensity to react emotionally to the usual loaded triggering words and images of our time, to take sides in fabricated conflicts, and such.

So yes, Trump is not anti-establishment. Rather his role is to lead the American "good guys", against the American "bad guys", for a higher purpose ... generating public acceptance for a new world order of cooperating nations.

(The next couple acts of this play look to be action packed <grin>.)

[TrumanCash]

Paul, what is your take on Steve Pieczenik's "coup" and "counter-coup" announcement today?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov5kvWSz5LM

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, what is your take on Steve Pieczenik's "coup" and "counter-coup" announcement today?
Steve Pieczenik is more skilled than I am at expressing things in a succint and attention grabbing manner, but yes, I figure what he says is about right (though I know none of the hidden details, of course.)

A white hat versus crime syndicate drama is being played out before us, and many brave and capable men and women in the government, military and intelligence are putting their lives and careers on the line to shut down the Bush/Clinton/Obama/Neocon crime syndicate that has increasingly dominated our government since at least the time of JFK's assassination.

The new world order, of nations cooperating (supposedly) for the good of humanity (and for the benefit of other globalist interests as well, unfortunately) can not be brought in until the previous world order, under the hegemony of the American military, intelligence, and dollar is discredited, even in the eyes of Americans themselves.

Along with (1) this political drama that resets American trust, and (2) the "terrorist" drama in the Middle East, the elite bastards will also have to (3) blow up the current US Dollar denominated debt and contracts, defaulting on some, inflating some away, and bringing across whole the most privileged (that which is due to the elite themselves) of the debt. After an economic/financial/monetary/banking collapse, they will "ride to the rescue" with new SDR-denominated debt, which will become the new drug of choice to keep nations at heel and to drain off their profits and resources. Just like a drug dealer converting his clientele from one drug to another, they will first make the one drug scarce, and when the clients get desperate enough, and have been bled dry, make the replacement drug (initially) cheap and readily available.

Debt: it's the drug of choice for the elite bastards (to administer to all us deplorables, our businesses and our governments.)

The key to whether a currency is "sound", in a debt-money controlled world, is whether major debt is denominated in that currency. The elite prefer to be repaid with sound money, so they limit its supply, and periodically cut off its supply substantially, by tightening the lending that creates new money, in order to force the weak into bankruptcy and foreclosure. "Sound money" has nothing to do with whether the currency is constructed from metal, paper, bits, or beaver pelts.

[Sueanne47]

Wikileaks breaking : No US Election ~ Killary rigged everything :

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[ Mod-addendum: Wikileaks is apparently saying there is not a legitimate election, not saying the election is actually canceled. The video enumerates ways in which Hillary is rigging the election and other corruptions of Hillary -- Paul. ]

[sheme]

de_S7Z-eess

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[ Mod-addenum: This is a half hour Infowars special, of long time Clinton associate Larry Nichols presenting his case that the Clintons, especially Hillary, are deeply corrupt. -- Paul. ]

[mojo]

Please don't let Hillary win...

[ThePythonicCow]

Please don't let Hillary win...

In the 2004 Bush vs Kerry US Presidential election, Kerry famously explained his support of a bill funding the Iraq war saying: "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it."

Here's a succinct summary of my opening post on this thread: "Hillary will lose, before she wins, before she really loses."

[WildOrchid]

A MUST SEE
ov5kvWSz5LM

[ThePythonicCow]

A MUST SEE
Also posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring&p=1110016&viewfull=1#post1110016), here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1110089&viewfull=1#post1110089), here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94213-The-Evil-Empire-is-being-destroyed&p=1110105&viewfull=1#post1110105), here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94128-FBI-re-opens-probe-into-Hillary-Clinton-emails--28-Oct-2016-&p=1110196&viewfull=1#post1110196), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1110197&viewfull=1#post1110197).

Enough :).

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P.S. -- and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94213-The-Evil-Empire-is-being-destroyed&p=1110205&viewfull=1#post1110205), and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94235-Coup-Against-Hillary-Clinton-Has-Begun-Red-Alert&p=1110206#post1110206) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91646-FBI-quizzes-Hillary-Clinton-on-emails-2-July-2016-Hillary-Lied-Under-Oath.....&p=1110207#post1110207).

The last three all just now, by yourself, WildOrchid.

That's really more than enough ... it's too much.

[TargeT]

The point of this thread, underlying my (probably flawed, once again) forecast of upcoming events in this US Presidential election, is to describe how "they" are playing "Good cop, bad cop" with us. The Clintons head the bad cops, and have, along with the Bush's, neocons and others, infiltrated many important positions in the US federal government. Trump leads the good cops. Those portions of the main stream media and federal government who stick by the Clintons will be discredited. But ...and this is the important result to note:
The US is shifting major policies from being the world's hegemon, to cooperating with other major nations to build a new world order.
Part of the point of the drama we are seeing, and will be seeing even more of soon, in the US Presidential election, is a classic play, acted out on the Web and TV and such, rather than on a Shakespearean stage. The villains and the heros, the back and forth of good and evil and comic ... all part of the usual dramatic production.

We can't storm the stage and stop the play. They have AC-130 gunships against our bolt action rifles. The "gun grabbing" threat is just another one of the many ways they trigger some of us to react emotionally. The play ceases to have its intended effect if too many people in the audience realize it's just being staged, playing on our usual propensity to react emotionally to the usual loaded triggering words and images of our time, to take sides in fabricated conflicts, and such.

So yes, Trump is not anti-establishment. Rather his role is to lead the American "good guys", against the American "bad guys", for a higher purpose ... generating public acceptance for a new world order of cooperating nations.

(The next couple acts of this play look to be action packed <grin>.)

Think there's any chance he's a "Jesse ventura" like fluke? "ventura" seems like a legitimate (though I question his total intelligence & due diligence on certain topics) accidental elected executor. Of course he's (trump) been swimming in the same ponds as Clinton et al for a while now, so that's probably not the case.

That was my hope initially, I guess I still am holding out for that a bit; for the rest,, this election isn't going as I expected & the failure of Hillary's massive multi front assault on the "selection system" is pretty surprising, as we can see evidence of these very same tactics working for at least the last two decades or so (just never so... blatant). I'm sure there's a contingency plan, but I haven't read anything that makes a whole lot of sense to me... Setting Trump up (intentionally) as a national hero & then tearing him down when the economy crashes might be a tactic, but that's going to be a hard one to pull off and if they don't pull it off right, it could cause a nationalistic movement that will seriously delay any NWO type actions.

Either way, it's certainly entertaining.

[ThePythonicCow]

That was my hope initially, I guess I still am holding out for that a bit; for the rest,, this election isn't going as I expected & the failure of Hillary's massive multi front assault on the "selection system" is pretty surprising, as we can see evidence of these very same tactics working for at least the last two decades or so (just never so... blatant). I'm sure there's a contingency plan, but I haven't read anything that makes a whole lot of sense to me... Setting Trump up (intentionally) as a national hero & then tearing him down when the economy crashes might be a tactic, but that's going to be a hard one to pull off and if they don't pull it off right, it could cause a nationalistic movement that will seriously delay any NWO type actions.

Either way, it's certainly entertaining.

My current guess is that:

Trump does, eventually, win, after much confusion and drama,
the Neocon crime syndicate and allies are discredited, some imprisoned,
the economic/monetary collapse does happen, big time,
the American empire does fail, big time, and
the failed Clintonista allies might try to blame Trump, but
Trump ends up being a hero with high approval ratings, with
Trump joining the other major leaders of the world at the negotiating table, establishing the next new world order.

[Fairy Friend]

I was watching our local PBS station on tv and saw a segment on the campaigning I thought interesting. Both are targeting swing states such as my state and ask for donations from individuals. Both target woman, married, with children and educated.

So the investigator set up an experiment using his sister since she is in the targeted profile. (sorry, I forget his name and that of his sister). She sent $2 to both Hillary and Trump via email. They both responded initially the same with a gratitude form letter thanking them and saying they are great. Neither responded the next day. But then tactics changed and were very different between the two.

The Clinton campaign began to bombard her with daily emails. As many as 8 in a day and over the course of two weeks, some of them quite long. Tactics changed from thank you, we can use more help, to scare tactics like if you don't donate more, they may lose and policies against woman, healthcare etc will lose. Then tactics changed again to guilt trips, like if we lose it will affect you and how would you feel being responsible for losing this election? Or that their family and loved ones will be affected by this outcome etc. how can you let that happen?

The Trump campaign sent one more email a few days later, once again thanking her and feel free to donate more if they are able. I thought it an interesting experiment and felt it fit here in this thread.

[Flash]

It tells it all. Manipulative Hilary group. They are overdoing it. It seems that Hilary surrounds herself with young people because older cannot stand her for long, and this would be a typical mistake of young marketers.

However Trump is making a mistake. To be remembered, you have to hit with your name or logo at least 3 times in a short period. THen you can give a slack and come back every once in a while with words making it interesting to deal with them, naming the advantages/benefits for the voters, to write in real contrast with the Hilaries, feel bad/guilty/afraid vs feel good/confident strategy.



I was watching our local PBS station on tv and saw a segment on the campaigning I thought interesting. Both are targeting swing states such as my state and ask for donations from individuals. Both target woman, married, with children and educated.

So the investigator set up an experiment using his sister since she is in the targeted profile. (sorry, I forget his name and that of his sister). She sent $2 to both Hillary and Trump via email. They both responded initially the same with a gratitude form letter thanking them and saying they are great. Neither responded the next day. But then tactics changed and were very different between the two.

The Clinton campaign began to bombard her with daily emails. As many as 8 in a day and over the course of two weeks, some of them quite long. Tactics changed from thank you, we can use more help, to scare tactics like if you don't donate more, they may lose and policies against woman, healthcare etc will lose. Then tactics changed again to guilt trips, like if we lose it will affect you and how would you feel being responsible for losing this election? Or that their family and loved ones will be affected by this outcome etc. how can you let that happen?

The Trump campaign sent one more email a few days later, once again thanking her and feel free to donate more if they are able. I thought it an interesting experiment and felt it fit here in this thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, what is your take on Steve Pieczenik's "coup" and "counter-coup" announcement today?
Michael Trimm has a more focused and coherent analysis of Steve Pieczenik's "coup" and "counter-coup" announcement than I could provide:
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I have two things to add to Trimm's comments.

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Pieczenik started his announcement with the dramatic statement that the coup, and the counter-coup, had started November 1, 2016.

So far as I can tell, no particular overwhelmingly unique event occurred on that particular date, but rather the coup has been building for decades of Clinton (and Bush, Obama, et alii, multis multis aliis) treachery, and the counter-coup, such as feeding information from inside the US government to Wikileaks, has been ongoing for almost as long. Yesterday, November 1, 2016, probably had more visible activities than many days, including Pieczenik's announcement, and several White House figures dropping Hillary from the Twitter accounts they follow.

However the date of the 1st of November will not go down in the annals of history as has such days as the 5th of November (Guy Fawkes day in the UK), the 14th of July (Bastille day in France), or the 4th of July (Independence day in the US)

Rather the basic awareness of a brewing "white hat" revolt inside the US government has been visible even to hacks such as myself, for a while now.

Such "baiting" headlines or opening lines as Pieczenik dramatic claims of the events of yesterday, promising some revelation that is not produced, but that keep the reader or listener following closely all the way to the end, are a great way to get a larger audience. Pieczenik may already have more viewers for his coup, counter-coup video in one day than my entire life's work will receive. But they annoy me ... they are a tease, a promise, unfulfilled.

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The other thing I would add, as I have done before, is the primary "message" of this thread. A drama is being played out before us, sure to grab the attention of many, including pretty much anyone writing (er eh - guess that would be me) or reading this post.

That drama is as old as the hills. Here's another example of it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/DoRightCast.JPG
Here we see Dudley Do-Right (Trump in the present drama) rescuing damsel in distress Nell Fenwick (Lady Liberty) from their arch-enemy Snidely Whiplash (Hillary Clinton). Nell is seen thanking Dudley's trusty steed, "Horse" (the white-hats in this counter-coup).

This drama leads to Americans enthusiastically accepting the next new world order, with our role in that order negotiated on our behalf by master negotiator Donald Trump, after we have gone through the trials and tribulations of economic collapse and political turmoil.

[bluestflame]

then the knock on effect as corrupt links are exposed in other countries , people will be known for thier deeds here's hoping

[ThePythonicCow]

However Trump is making a mistake. To be remembered, you have to hit with your name or logo at least 3 times in a short period.
Frequently repeated follow-up works for Twitter and Facebook, but it tends to annoy email recipients.

[Flash]

However Trump is making a mistake. To be remembered, you have to hit with your name or logo at least 3 times in a short period.
Frequently repeated follow-up works for Twitter and Facebook, but it tends to annoy email recipients.

not with 3 times in a week or two, but only once is not enough, it has to do with the way the brain memory works. Once you have hit 3 times within about 2 weeks, than you need only once per few months and it works - does not mean the person is being programmed, but only that she will remember you. If the feeling is good, and she thought that you would do something good for her, then the better.

Believe me Paul, I used to charge a lot for those advice (just does not want to work like this anymore).

However, more than that you the recipient is annoyed. What Hillary did was very annoying I am sure and made people react through fear and guilt. It describes perfectly who she is and how she works. So her young bunch or marketers, having a natural tendency to bully as well, have gone her way. Fear does backfire after a while, because it tires people (well, maybe the loosh eaters like it). Hitting people who are educated and well read but quite busy as Hillary did is a mistake, no doubts in my mind. Hopefully these women will see this.

[ThePythonicCow]

A drama is being played out before us
Brandon Smith, one of the best analysts out there in my view, is also of the view (as stated again in his latest post Why The U.S. Presidential Election Has The Entire World Confused (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3051-why-the-us-presidential-election-has-the-entire-world-confused), is also of the opinion that this US Election is all theater, and that Trump was intended by the elite to win, from the onset. Brandon says in this post "the entire election is theater".

However Brandon is still of the view, which I no longer agree with, that Trump's role is to be the scape goat, along with conservatives and constitutionalists, for the inevitable economic collapse.

Brandon has been and remain, in my view a bit more defensive of conservatives and constitutionalists than I tend to be ... my guess is that anyone who does "too much thinking, or worse, acting" has reason to be paranoid, regardless of whether they lean left or right politically.

My more recent view is that Trump is being setup for the role of "The American Putin", which will put him in a better position than any hated Neocon could ever be to smooth the path to the next new world order.

[ThePythonicCow]

Another sign that Hillary has been thrown under the bus by the planet's elite - the stock market closed down today for the 7th day in a row.

A "strong economy" is good for the party in power, and a "down economy" is good for the party out of power. There has been a long track record of being able to predict US Presidential elections by looking at the stock market just before the election. If the market is down, the out of power party wins, otherwise the current party retains the Presidency.

Until last week, the US stock market was holding (being held, I should say) steady, which I took as a sign that the elite were "voting" for Hillary.

But here's a chart of the S&P 500 for the last two weeks:

http://thepythoniccow.us/SP500_2_Nov_2016.png
The market is down for seven days in a row now. As Zerohedge explains at The Last 3 Times This Happened, The World Was Gripped By Financial Crisis (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-02/last-3-times-happened-world-was-gripped-financial-crisis), the last three times that the market was down 7 days in a row were:

The Lehman collapse in October 2008
The Euro debt crisis in July 2011
More Euro debt crisis in Nov 2011

So ... either (1) the down market is predicting a Trump victory, or (2) the elite are now bringing the market down, as of seven market days ago, to favor a Trump victory, or (3) the market is forecasting a major financial crisis.

I'm guessing all three :).

[TargeT]

So ... either (1) the down market is predicting a Trump victory, or (2) the elite are now bringing the market down, as of seven market days ago, to favor a Trump victory, or (3) the market is forecasting a major financial crisis.
I'm guessing all three :).

either way, this all seems a bit heavy handed.

The manipulation hasn't been this obvious before has it ( or is that what everyone says when they see it?). Seems like the internet & an easy to find past data-set for reference has made the manipulative moves extremely obvious this cycle, almost ham-handed, boorish.

[ThePythonicCow]

In line with my present expectation that Trump wins the popular vote by a healthy margin, but Clinton's people manage to steal enough votes in key swing states to win the Electoral College (which would ordinarily make Hillary the winner), Mike Adams in his article THE END GAME CLOSES IN ON THE CLINTONS AS THE DEEP STATE TURNS (http://www.govtslaves.info/the-end-game-closes-in-on-the-clintons-as-the-deep-state-turns/) goes into more detail as to what he expects would happen in this case:

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If the vote is stolen for Hillary Clinton, all hell breaks loose

Should the globalist Soros operators manage to steal the vote, bribe the electoral voters or rig the black box voting machines sufficiently to place Hillary Clinton in the White House, all Hell breaks loose across America:

• The FBI goes into full indictment mode to push criminal charges for the Clinton criminal regime.

• Donald Trump launches a massive legal challenge to the election outcome, dispatching an army of lawyers to level a vast assortment of charges involving coordinated voter fraud, the rigging of voting machines, the attempted bribery of Electoral voters and so on.

• The U.S. military revs up its plans for an armed military coup to depose Clinton and restore democracy. This one should be especially entertaining to watch unfold if it gets activated… (and yes, YOU will beg for a short-term military dictatorship as long as they promise to depose Clinton and restore open, fair and free elections).

• Armed U.S. citizens prepare for a massive march on Washington to take back their democracy and restore a lawful society where the political elite don’t get away with corruption, fraud and murder. Expect this march to be joined by police officers and federal law enforcement officials of all kinds.

• The NSA likely goes into “full dump” mode to unleash every scrap of damning criminal evidence against Hillary Clinton. This will likely be joined by CIA assets who already have the goods on the Clintons and their “Lolita Express” pedo joy rides.

• Wikileaks, Anonymous and every former NSA analyst goes into “destroy the Clintons” mode and begins to hack and expose every last shred of email evidence ever possessed by the Clintons and anyone close to them. Anonymous alone has enough technical clout to accomplish this with little or no outside help. (I expect Kim Dotcom to be aiding this entire effort as well, as he rightly holds extreme hatred toward Hillary Clinton… as do we all, come to think of it.)

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I think Mike Adams is spot on in this case.

[norman]

If the deep state really is turning away from Hillary, there may not be any black box vote rigging.

[ThePythonicCow]

either way, this all seems a bit heavy handed.
That's how the stock markets (and a number of other markets) have been in recent years -- heavily manipulated. The dominant player(s) are no longer individuals or investments firms or houses. Rather a hidden hand, acting through the Exchange Stabilization Fund (which may have stolen a couple trillion dollars worth of US Treasuries from the Saud's as table money), the New York Fed and the major New York and European banks, is calling the tune.

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If the deep state really is turning away from Hillary, there may not be any black box vote rigging.

I figure they want the election to be rigged ... obviously rigged in the view of many Americans. The deep state is setting up drama, turmoil and crisis, as part of their mass manipulation.

[TargeT]

If the deep state really is turning away from Hillary, there may not be any black box vote rigging.

I figure they want the election to be rigged ... obviously rigged in the view of many Americans. The deep state is setting up drama, turmoil and crisis, as part of their mass manipulation.

at this point, if other theory's hold true; this makes the most sense.. complete disillusion of the american dream.. nationalism must be swept aside for globalism and the best way is either on the coat tails of a (buffoonish) hero or fleeing in terror from a disaster (we seem to be offered, at least theatrically, both choices).

[ThePythonicCow]

Martin Armstrong, one of the most aware of what's going on for decades now, has confirmed that people inside the US "“intelligence” sector and “law enforcement” sector ... are deeply troubled with the Clintons, [and are] trying to release documents and info to stop the Clinton Inc. Machine."

He writes, in a brief post on InvestmentWatchBlog (http://investmentwatchblog.com/deliberate-leaks-are-being-strategically-made-to-stop-clinton-inc/):

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Deliberate Leaks are being Strategically Made to Stop Clinton Inc

All our indications from behind the curtain are suggesting that there are many within the “intelligence” sector and “law enforcement” sector who are deeply troubled with the Clintons. They are trying to release documents and info to stop the Clinton Inc. Machine. That’s all we can say on this topic right now. Suffice it to say, there is a real internal battle going on in Washington.

========

[norman]

Specifically about the evil empire being destroyed, Paul, are you thinking of the American post JFK government or do you mean the entire BIS and European white old men empire?

[ThePythonicCow]

I hadn't followed Ken, over at http://redefininggod.com, for a couple of days, but I see just now that he's following right along the same path as I've been taking above, or better said, I''m following along his path.

He see's all sorts of controversy breaking loose after the US election next Tuesday, leading to "good guy" Trump working with Putin to set up the next world order, next year. To quote Ken, "It’s all about setting people up to accept the Rockefeller/Kissinger- planned, BRICS-fronted, “reformed” UN-centered New World Order after the “bad guys” / scapegoats fall."

Just one difference ... Ken has recently shifted to expecting Trump to win the election, both the popular vote and the Electoral College, leaving Hillary to contest it.

You can read more of Ken's latest at Globalist Agenda Watch 2016: Update 23 – Why the globalists will announce Trump as the winner of the election (+ a P.S. – Why Alex Jones — and now Drudge — are promoting Steve Pieczenik) (http://redefininggod.com/2016/10/globalist-agenda-watch-2016-update-23-why-the-globalists-will-announce-trump-as-the-winner-of-the-election/)

[ThePythonicCow]

Specifically about the evil empire being destroyed, Paul, are you thinking of the American post JFK government or do you mean the entire BIS and European white old men empire?

By "Evil Empire" I mean the American dominated empire, led (publically) by the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, financed using the Petro-Narco-Dollar, that more fully took control after the JFK assassination.

The BIS remains strong, and integrates China more into its workings.

[norman]

You can read more of Ken's latest at Globalist Agenda Watch 2016: Update 23 – Why the globalists will announce Trump as the winner of the election (+ a P.S. – Why Alex Jones — and now Drudge — are promoting Steve Pieczenik) (http://redefininggod.com/2016/10/globalist-agenda-watch-2016-update-23-why-the-globalists-will-announce-trump-as-the-winner-of-the-election/)


He starts off making perfect sense, ticking all my own boxes perfectly. The way he sees a war getting going seems more confused. Or, at least, raises my own confusion about such an eventuality. The hard bit is knowing just what weapons are available to the powers at war. The inside scoop on such knowledge is essential to making a close prediction and I'll guess that he doesn't know much more than I do.

Joel Skousen thinks the game is to bait the Russians into a first strike. He bases much of that notion on his idea that 'they' want the destruction of financial records and other bad secrets. I find an American first strike more convincing, based on the idea that Russia will be an overwhelming enemy if they still have most of their weapons intact. A sneaky 'shock n awe' that wipes out almost everything they've got in just a couple of hours probably would be very popular around the Pentagon.

An older idea that I've been chewing on for a few years is that a WW3 is only plan B if plan A doesn't get them where they want to go, basically a rollout of a Chinese style society around the world. I've therefore assumed that if it comes to war, the intention will be for the 'west' to lose, and sign surrender papers, bringing an absolute full stop to all things western in one pen stroke.

[araucaria]

That drama is as old as the hills. Here's another example of it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/DoRightCast.JPG
Here we see Dudley Do-Right (Trump in the present drama) rescuing damsel in distress Nell Fenwick (Lady Liberty) from their arch-enemy Snidely Whiplash (Hillary Clinton). Nell is seen thanking Dudley's trusty steed, "Horse" (the white-hats in this counter-coup).

This drama leads to Americans enthusiastically accepting the next new world order, with our role in that order negotiated on our behalf by master negotiator Donald Trump, after we have gone through the trials and tribulations of economic collapse and political turmoil.
Paul, I think people need to grow up from the cartoon movie drama addiction. The whole point about a silent counter-coup is that it de-dramatizes things, but it cannot be so silent that no one notices it taking place. The people that most need to take notice are the ones staging the original coup.

This whole business is actually as exciting as a plumber coming to unblock your drain. When the work is done all that happens is that you can use the toilet again – a necessary comfort, but one that says nothing about what you do with the rest of your life. Similarly, what happens after this government cleanup is entirely open; meaning that the messy business of normal interaction between states can resume. No more New World Orders in capital letters; maybe we can get back to talking about a ‘global village’ – how dated is that expression? Remember the Internet superhighway? What has grown up all around us in the meantime is more than any single superhighway, a whole network of roads and tiny lanes.

What is being overturned is the top-down model of politics in favour of a grassroots model. See this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring&p=1110158&viewfull=1#post1110158 The intelligence community white hats are grassroots individuals serving their base, the dead wood that has got to go is dead because it draws its strength from above and is totally ungrounded. Between the two there is likely a substantial number who need to decide whether they can switch allegiances and survive. What this means is that honest behaviour is rewarded instead of corruption, taking us up in a virtuous spiral. So there is a lot of work to be done minimizing the damage. ‘Master negotiator Donald Trump’ will be a useful tool in that process, but only a tool, as he will be acting under the guidance of faithful servants of the grassroots. The presidential role will be defanged, something that needs to happen around the world. Many European leaders have already been defanged by other means.

But this future will not be material for comic fiction or tabloid journalism; hopefully it will be far too ordinary and boring for that. Which is not to say life will be ordinary and boring; it will be exciting in all the ways that to date have been stifled: free energy, smartening up, spiritual growth, cosmic visitation....

[bluestflame]

just so it's out there
Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" and "Tom Clancy's Net Force" book series. He is also one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for five U.S. administrations.

his youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/stevepieczenik

will trust the intentions of the " whitehats" when the chemtrails and electro inferference stops
stop

[ThePythonicCow]

Joel Skousen thinks the game is to bait the Russians into a first strike.

Joel Skousen has been warning us of a Russian nuclear strike for decades ... and selling fall-out shelters and retreats for decades.

I read his work more closely back when I was a right-wing Republican Bush-loving Islam-hating neocon, 10 or 15 years ago. I no longer find his work of much interest.

[Flash]

I can't believe you were that brainwashed 15 years ago .... Bush loving???:p (pulling your leg)



Joel Skousen thinks the game is to bait the Russians into a first strike.

Joel Skousen has been warning us of a Russian nuclear strike for decades ... and selling fall-out shelters and retreats for decades.

I read his work more closely back when I was a right-wing Republican Bush-loving Islam-hating neocon, 10 or 15 years ago. I no longer find his work of much interest.

[greybeard]

Joel Skousen thinks the game is to bait the Russians into a first strike.

Joel Skousen has been warning us of a Russian nuclear strike for decades ... and selling fall-out shelters and retreats for decades.

I read his work more closely back when I was a right-wing Republican Bush-loving Islam-hating neocon, 10 or 15 years ago. I no longer find his work of much interest.

The thing is at my age Ive heard this kind of talk so many times Im immune to it.

Chris

[ThePythonicCow]

I can't believe you were that brainwashed 15 years ago .... Bush loving???:p (pulling your leg)
No - not pulling your leg :).

I should have taken a picture of the bumper stickers on my car, before I removed them all.

The entire backend of my car was covered with Bush campaign stickers, for the 2000 and 2004 elections.

I was also a major supporter (providing image hosting and such) for a long running series of threads on FreeRepublic.com that posted daily photo-op pictures of George W. Bush, called "A Day in the Life of President Bush" (one new thread each day).

I was "invited" (as in "don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out") to leave FreeRepublic.com in 2007, when I posted something that doubted the official "19 Arab hijackers with box cutters pulled off 9/11" scenario.

Little did I know, back in the 1970's, when I was active in the National Organization for Women (including being on the board of the Atlanta chapter of NOW) that one of the arch nemeses of such liberal feminists, South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond, would become one of my heroes, and still be a Senator, 30 or more years later, when I was a right wing conservative.

[Sueanne47]

Seems like more disinfo!!! the neocons playing us yet again...

Is this soft coup the real deal? :

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[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, I think people need to grow up from the cartoon movie drama addiction. The whole point about a silent counter-coup is that it de-dramatizes things, but it cannot be so silent that no one notices it taking place. The people that most need to take notice are the ones staging the original coup.

This whole business is actually as exciting as a plumber coming to unblock your drain. When the work is done all that happens is that you can use the toilet again – a necessary comfort, but one that says nothing about what you do with the rest of your life. Similarly, what happens after this government cleanup is entirely open; meaning that the messy business of normal interaction between states can resume. No more New World Orders in capital letters ...

What is being overturned is the top-down model of politics in favour of a grassroots model. See this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring&p=1110158&viewfull=1#post1110158 The intelligence community white hats are grassroots individuals serving their base, the dead wood that has got to go is dead because it draws its strength from above and is totally ungrounded. ...
The real issue is not the drama, left vs right and such ... I agree.

But I would not agree that the real point is that we should just put aside the false drama and join with the white hats in building a better world, with no more New World Order. That strikes me as wishful thinking.

Rather we need to understand what's really going on, beneath the drama.

I would assert that the drama, this and many similar such dramas, are part of yet another restructuring of the political, religious, monetary and economic institutions of our civilization. Let us look deep into that restructuring and the powers, forces and entities involved.

This is not, I assert, a legitimate grassroots effort. Rather the drama, in its various forms, is part of how the grassroots are swept up into larger dynamics, far out of their control or awareness, and likely not in their best interests.

Without adequate awareness, sustained effective action is not possible. With adequate awareness, opportunities for effective action might become visible.

[Flash]

I entirely agree with you (mostly that now NY policeman are going through their own pedophilia scandal, suddenly!!). So the Clinton side still think they can win, otherwise they would not push that one. And they may win and make a clean up afterwards.

What I do reserve my opinion for however is that numerous insiders have told us they were late in establishing their NWO. Things did not work as they wish all along, so they are late it seems. In that case, maybe that there is us, becoming less and less credulous, and there might be real white hat as well working behind the curtains. If it is the case, the job is then to push their result as far as possible in time so that a majority wakes up in the meantime, while keeping showing how the world truly works and what are the solutions (in my case, it took from 2007 to 2013 to come back from the shock with quite a few aftershocks, and I was aware of many things since childhood, imagine the majority of the population, awakening is slooooowwww).




Paul, I think people need to grow up from the cartoon movie drama addiction. The whole point about a silent counter-coup is that it de-dramatizes things, but it cannot be so silent that no one notices it taking place. The people that most need to take notice are the ones staging the original coup.

This whole business is actually as exciting as a plumber coming to unblock your drain. When the work is done all that happens is that you can use the toilet again – a necessary comfort, but one that says nothing about what you do with the rest of your life. Similarly, what happens after this government cleanup is entirely open; meaning that the messy business of normal interaction between states can resume. No more New World Orders in capital letters ...

What is being overturned is the top-down model of politics in favour of a grassroots model. See this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring&p=1110158&viewfull=1#post1110158 The intelligence community white hats are grassroots individuals serving their base, the dead wood that has got to go is dead because it draws its strength from above and is totally ungrounded. ...
The real issue is not the drama, left vs right and such ... I agree.

But I would not agree that the real point is that we should just put aside the false drama and join with the white hats in building a better world, with no more New World Order. That strikes me as wishful thinking.

Rather we need to understand what's really going on, beneath the drama.

I would assert that the drama, this and many similar such dramas, are part of yet another restructuring of the political, religious, monetary and economic institutions of our civilization. Let us look deep into that restructuring and the powers, forces and entities involved.

This is not, I assert, a legitimate grassroots effort. Rather the drama, in its various forms, is part of how the grassroots are swept up into larger dynamics, far out of their control or awareness, and likely not in their best interests.

Without adequate awareness, sustained effective action is not possible. With adequate awareness, opportunities for effective action might become visible.

[ThePythonicCow]

I entirely agree with you (mostly that now NY policeman are going through their own pedophilia scandal, suddenly!!). So the Clinton side still think they can win, otherwise they would not push that one. And they may win and make a clean up afterwards.

What I do reserve my opinion for however is that numerous insiders have told us they were late in establishing their NWO. Things did not work as they wish all along, so they are late it seems. In that case, maybe that there is us, becoming less and less credulous, and there might be real white hat as well working behind the curtains. If it is the case, the job is then to push their result as far as possible in time so that a majority wakes up in the meantime, while keeping showing how the world truly works and what are the solutions (in my case, it took from 2007 to 2013 to come back from the shock with quite a few aftershocks, and I was aware of many things since childhood, imagine the majority of the population, awakening is slooooowwww).
"They" are late - yes - if by "they" you mean the power brokers of the American Empire, such as those in the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate. "They" are late, and "they" are, in my estimation, going down.

I have no idea if the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet, those who are also behind BRICS, the debt-money system, central banks and the BIS, the Vatican, and other manifestations of their will, are behind or not. I'm still groping around trying to figure out who they are and what they are up to. I have no basis for judging how well they might be holding to any schedule, if even they have such.

The term "New World Order" (NWO) also has multiple meanings, depending on whose world order you're referring to. The NWO of the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate appears to be blowing up and going down. The NWO of the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet appears to me (what little I can make out of it) to be alive and well and continuing to adapt.

[ThePythonicCow]

Seems like more disinfo!!! the neocons playing us yet again...
He says in that video that "they are playing us ... on both sides" ... but he doesn't say who "they" are :).

It might not be the neocons that are playing both sides. It might be the neocons on one side, and the "white hats" on the other side.

Furthermore, it might be that both sides are earnestly participating (including earnestly lying at times <grin>), for their side. Like a good football match (or last nights final game of the World (aka US) Series baseball playoff), both sides are usually earnestly participating for their side.

Only from the vantage point of some other level can one see that we're being played. The visible players seldom have that vantage point.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This was just posted to Wikileaks: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794247777756860417

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1478198671975.jpg


Wikileaks stuff often becomes the subject of MSM discussions. They are pushing.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Daily Bell has a good article on Steve Pieczenik's announcement, two days ago now, of a counter-coup. The Bell reminds us that the military and intelligence agencies are not to be trusted (not even those claiming to be "white hats" within them), and that this announcement could well be just them appearing on the "right side" of a conflict that will bring down the Bush/Clinton/Neocon Crime Syndicate, and lead to a new world order intended by the Banksters and their masters, with greater public support, without the Bush/Clinton/Neocon interests.

You can find this Daily Bell article at Countering Hillary’s Coup With a Counter Coup – or Not? (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/countering-the-counter-coup/).

I agree with the Bell's comments on this, and find them consistent with, from a different and interesting perspective, my views.

[Sueanne47]

Steven Ben-Nun (bypass the prophecy part) about the soft coup again, also Nato threatens Putin in a struggle for NWO dominance :

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[ThePythonicCow]

Another sign that Hillary has been thrown under the bus by the planet's elite - the stock market closed down today for the 7th day in a row.
Another day, another down day.

The S&P 500 is now down eight days, and one of the favorite mechanisms for controlling the S&P 500, the VIX (CBOE Volatility Index (http://www.cboe.com/micro/vix/vixintro.aspx)) is rising sharply, from 13 to 22 over the same period, exposing a key mechanism used to control the S&P 500 from a single leveraged point instead of having to buy (or sell) the 500 individual stocks in the S&P 500 index.

Zerohedge has details of todays results at VIXplosion Slams Stocks To Longest Losing Streak Since Lehman (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/vixplosion-slams-stocks-longest-losing-streak-lehman).

A variety of other stock market indicators are all setting up for a down draft (which I would correlate with an increased likelihood of a Trump victory.)

[ThePythonicCow]

I hadn't followed Ken, over at http://redefininggod.com, for a couple of days, but I see just now that he's following right along the same path as I've been taking above, or better said, I''m following along his path.
...
Just one difference ... Ken has recently shifted to expecting Trump to win the election, both the popular vote and the Electoral College, leaving Hillary to contest it.
Well, today Ken shifted to the other foot, and is now guessing that Trump wins the popular vote, but Clinton steals the Electoral College. See "Prescript - 3" that he added today to his post Globalist Agenda Watch 2016: Update 23 – Why the globalists will announce Trump as the winner of the election (http://redefininggod.com/2016/10/globalist-agenda-watch-2016-update-23-why-the-globalists-will-announce-trump-as-the-winner-of-the-election/) (Ken is notorious for his confusingly ordered updates, postscripts and prescripts.)

Here's a summary of the steps in Ken's latest scenario, in his own words:

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The scenario would go down like this… On the night of the election, Trump will decisively win the popular vote, but narrowly lose the electoral vote. This will result in Hillary initially being announced as the winner.
Very soon after the election results are announced, and possibly even before election day, the phony intelligence agency / Pentagon “counter-coup” will leak clear, unimpeachable evidence that Hillary’s people shaved votes in one or more key state(s) that she supposedly won. The total electoral votes of the “stolen state(s)” will have been enough to sway the outcome of the electoral vote. Thus, it will be shown that Hillary stole the election.
This will supercharge the post-election conflict between the Democrats and the Republicans.
The public perception will be that Trump was the clear and legitimate winner of the election. “He decisively won the popular vote,” they will say, “and he would have won the electoral vote if Hillary hadn’t pulled her dirty tricks.”
As for the conflict and its end, the Democrats will argue that the evidence of their election fraud was fabricated by the Russians…
So when will Hillary, Obama, Biden, and other top Democrats be arrested, you ask?

Probably sometime after the government shutdown on December 10. The “counter-coup” might arrest them right after the shutdown in order to “save the nation from disintegration,” but they might also wait till early January to let the food stamp riots create more drama and justification before they make their move.
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Ken's above scenario is the same as my currently predicted scenario (which is not good news for Ken's forecasting accuracy, given how few of my forecasts turn out that way <grin>.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Specifically about the evil empire being destroyed, Paul, are you thinking of the American post JFK government or do you mean the entire BIS and European white old men empire?

Further thoughts on your question:

The elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet are not, in my estimation, either consistently globalist nor nationalist nor anarchist in the political policies they support.

It's rather like the major policies on illegal drugs. The ruling powers favor drug business that they control (or that controls them, as the case be), and are opposed to competition drug business. The War on Drugs in the US is not against all illegal drugs, far from it. It's just against competition in the drug business.

Similarly regarding globalist vs nationalist vs anarchist political policies. The elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet favor the strong nation states that they control, favor globalist policies that they control, and favor anarchy otherwise (which provides nice markets for their weapons sales.)

The globalist "New World Order" which US neocons such as George H. W. Bush spoke of (he was US President from 1989 to 1993) is not the new world order that the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet seek to impose.

For a while, the elite bastards favored the American neocon Evil Empire led by people like Bush, as it furthered the goals and plans of the elite bastards, and now, apparently, the elite bastards are destroying the American neocon Evil Empire, for the same reasons.

At first they (the elite bastards) were in favor of it, before (now) they opposed it (the American Evil Empire.)

We are heading into a "multi-polar" world power structure ... in which all the major nations "cooperate" on the issues that matter most to the world's elite, such as the use of central banking, issuing debt-money (which might have a golden gilding to it, for appearances sake), with national policies favorable to multi-national corporations and with policies otherwise favorable to the elite bastards of the world.

Increased individual freedom comes from the bottom up, through our increased and shared awareness. Such has little to do with political populism, which is just another way to package and gain acceptance for the projects of the world's elite bastards.


More thoughts on gold and debt-money:

Now the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet seem to be moving their most important power base from the New York - Washington axis, to China. Jim Willie (whom I read closely) frequently mentions that gold is moving to China, and other economic and monetary matters are increasingly being settled in China's favor, because China is the new major power on the planet. I disagree with Jim Willie in a subtle way. I think that it's the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet who are choosing to move their gold and wealth and largest power base to China.

I also disagree with Jim WIllie on the matter of a gold backed currency. He expects that the world will return to a real gold backed currency. I seriously doubt that. Debt-money systems (which I don't think Jim fully appreciates) are a far too useful monetary system for the elite. The elite will ensure that never again does humanity have a genuine gold and silver currency, and they will keep the gold (most of which is not needed industrially) out of the hands of people, or even nations, except in token amounts that don't threaten the world's central banking debt-money monetary system.

The elite Banksters lend money into existence, to individuals, corporations and nations, or don't lend, and that way keep humanity in a form of debt slavery. Any US President, any nation in the world, any other individual, corporation or government that would seriously challenge the debt-money monopoly of the Banksters, is targeted for destruction, with extreme prejudice.

... sorry ... a bit of a rambling post that touches on a couple of only partially related issues :).

[norman]

Very good ramble, and it almost makes me proud of my question.

Oh, and I agree with all of it.

Only leaves one question, and I'm not even expecting you to answer it. Is there a new paradigm being born, as in "Handbook for a new Paradigm" by (or via) George Green ?

It kind of makes going on living pointless if there isn't.

[ThePythonicCow]

We are heading into a "multi-polar" world power structure ... in which all the major nations "cooperate" on the issues that matter most to the world's elite, such as the use of central banking, issuing debt-money (which might have a golden gilding to it, for appearances sake), with national policies favorable to multi-national corporations and with policies otherwise favorable to the elite bastards of the world.
For a nice example of how Trump (and Alex Jones) are packaging this cooperating multi-polar world power structure as a victory for individual freedom, see the video in turiya's post at Transition into Trump - Americanism - Not Globalism - Will Be Our Credo! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1110587&viewfull=1#post1110587). It's just a 3 minute video clip, which lays out the marketing pitch quite succinctly.

The policies of both the half dozen powerful nations and the one or two hundred less powerful nations are controlled by elite bastards, who behind closed doors control the lending policies of the global (BIS) and central (national) banks which then control the policies of nations by deciding when or when not to lend money into existence. This is all a complex and subtle system that seeks to make us all clueless compliant debt slaves.

"Americanism" (or the other variants of nationalism that are on the rise recently) is no more a well spring of human liberty than was George H. W. Bush's "New World Order" or the exceptionalism of the (Evil) American Empire. Trump and Alex Jones are but tools of the elite bastards at the pinnacle of world power, constructing the next new world order, as are Bush, Clinton, and the major television and newspaper news media.

[norman]

If Trump doesn't Bulldoze the Fed and print American national money, his Credo isn't going to last past the January sales.

[Sueanne47]

Trump wont be permitted to win :

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[Eric J (Viking)]

So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/ and the wheels on the bus go round and round...

I hope on this occasion Assange is wrong...



Trump wont be permitted to win :

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[ThePythonicCow]

So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/ and the wheels on the bus go round and round...

I hope on this occasion Assange is wrong...
I hope so too :).

However, keep in mind, if my predictions are correct (there's always a "first time" <grin>), then Hillary may win, before she loses, or lose, before she wins, before she loses.

In other words, regardless of who is declared the winner next week in the US Presidential election, I expect the election results will be highly contested, that Hillary will eventually be disqualified, indicted and/or impeached, and that Trump will be the eventual President.

Meanwhile, there will be many a thread and post on Avalon regarding this ruckus.

===

Also, keep in mind that the above interview of Assange by John Pilger was apparently conducted a couple of months ago, in early September 2016. It seems to me that there may have been a change, a couple of weeks ago, from having Hillary be the initial winner of the Election, to having Trump being the initial winner.

[norman]

Assange is just saying that to keep his composure looking right. I'd say exactly the same thing in his position.

[ThePythonicCow]

Trump wont be permitted to win


So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/
That interview of Assange by John Pilger seems to have been conducted a couple of months ago, in early September 2016. I didn't find an exact date in my brief searching, but I did find mentions of this interview dating back to early September. See for example this news article (http://www.inquisitr.com/3495608/julian-assange-makes-claims-that-hillary-clinton-threatened-bernie-sanders-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race/), from September 9, 2016.

So far as we know, Assange is no longer available for interviews, nor allowed use of the Internet. Even his whereabouts and well-being are in doubt.

[Satori]

So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/ and the wheels on the bus go round and round...

I hope on this occasion Assange is wrong...
I hope so too :).

However, keep in mind, if my predictions are correct (there's always a "first time" <grin>), then Hillary may win, before she loses, or lose, before she wins, before she loses.

In other words, regardless of who is declared the winner next week in the US Presidential election, I expect the election results will be highly contested, that Hillary will eventually be disqualified, indicted and/or impeached, and that Trump will be the eventual President.

Meanwhile, there will be many a thread and post on Avalon regarding this ruckus.

And, part of HRC's and her handlers' bid to steal the pResidency of the USA was the murder of "Justice" Scalia. Like a chess player they were looking moves ahead and anticipated a challenge to the [s]election results going to the US Supreme Court where Scalia would have likely been the swing vote against the HRC forces. The USSC decided the outcome of the 2000 [s]election (Congress in 2004) and with only 8 Justices on the High court many cases of late have resulted in 4/4 decisions which do not change the results of the lower court decisions under review. Hence, should HRC successfully steal the election, and prevail in any lower court challenges to the result, USSC review ending in a 4/4 split will be a win for HRC and a disaster for We The People of the world.

[Bill Ryan]

So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/ and the wheels on the bus go round and round...

I hope on this occasion Assange is wrong...



Yes, that's a dated interview now. (Things have been moving fast!) A lot has changed since then.

[SilentFeathers]

Trump wont be permitted to win


So if Assange is correct, Hillary will win next week... and the Evil Empire carries on...! :-/
That interview of Assange by John Pilger seems to have been conducted a couple of months ago, in early September 2016. I didn't find an exact date in my brief searching, but I did find mentions of this interview dating back to early September. See for example this news article (http://www.inquisitr.com/3495608/julian-assange-makes-claims-that-hillary-clinton-threatened-bernie-sanders-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race/), from September 9, 2016.

So far as we know, Assange is no longer available for interviews, nor allowed use of the Internet. Even his whereabouts and well-being are in doubt.

I was thinking this was more recent......he would be a great loss to the planet if he is no longer with us, which is what it is looking like as more time goes by without and confirmation of his well-being.

[Sueanne47]

Youtube channellers like RT are doing this annoying habit of re-posting old vids making out that the video is today's news..

[ThePythonicCow]

And, part of HRC's and her handlers' bid to steal the pResidency of the USA was the murder of "Justice" Scalia. Like a chess player they were looking moves ahead and anticipated a challenge to the [s]election results going to the US Supreme Court where Scalia would have likely been the swing vote against the HRC forces. The USSC decided the outcome of the 2000 [s]election (Congress in 2004) and with only 8 Justices on the High court many cases of late have resulted in 4/4 decisions which do not change the results of the lower court decisions under review. Hence, should HRC successfully steal the election, and prevail in any lower court challenges to the result, USSC review ending in a 4/4 split will be a win for HRC and a disaster for We The People of the world.
The US Supreme Court is the ultimate authority in such cases only if Congress allows such. Ultimately, Congress determines the next President, if by no other means, then by impeaching and removing from office any convicted traitor who has the office of the President.

The US Supreme Court would risk deeply discrediting itself if it put a convicted, or soon to be impeached and convicted, traitor into the office of the President, in a blatantly partisan decision.

[ThePythonicCow]

If Trump doesn't Bulldoze the Fed and print American national money, his Credo isn't going to last past the January sales.

I do expect (based mostly on Jim Willie's forecasts) that our green Federal Reserve Notes will be replaced by multi-colored (as in Canada) Treasury Notes, likely sometime in 2017.

However ... those Treasury Notes won't be "hard currency". They will become increasingly inflated in quantity and worthless in paying for imported goods, like the national currencies of so many other nations have become when they were attacked by the Western intelligence agencies, Western banks, the World Bank and the IMF.

The US will have to start borrowing in "real" currencies, those managed as part of the SDR basket of currencies, if it wants additional such currency, beyond what it earns in trade. The US Federal Reserve dollar will still be a part of that basket, but the US Treasury and Exchange Stabilization Fund will no longer have control over the issuance of additional such Federal Reserve notes into circulation.

The US government will not be able to borrow "hard" currency, such as is actually accepted in payment for trade, except under loans denominated in such SDR equivalent hard currencies. See further Argentina (or many other nations) for how well that can be expected to work out.

[peggy englebrake]

Mutiny seems to be the best way to go. Don't vote, don't pay your taxes, change your lifestyle to using cash instead of credit cards, etc. But this only works if a significant number of us does this at the same time. From a cow's point of view I would say stop giving milk and eat stinkweed when grazing to make your meat taste bad. And watch out for the shepherd-he has suspicious motives.

[araucaria]

Paul, I think people need to grow up from the cartoon movie drama addiction. The whole point about a silent counter-coup is that it de-dramatizes things, but it cannot be so silent that no one notices it taking place. The people that most need to take notice are the ones staging the original coup.

This whole business is actually as exciting as a plumber coming to unblock your drain. When the work is done all that happens is that you can use the toilet again – a necessary comfort, but one that says nothing about what you do with the rest of your life. Similarly, what happens after this government cleanup is entirely open; meaning that the messy business of normal interaction between states can resume. No more New World Orders in capital letters ...

What is being overturned is the top-down model of politics in favour of a grassroots model. See this post. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring&p=1110158&viewfull=1#post1110158 The intelligence community white hats are grassroots individuals serving their base, the dead wood that has got to go is dead because it draws its strength from above and is totally ungrounded. ...
The real issue is not the drama, left vs right and such ... I agree.

But I would not agree that the real point is that we should just put aside the false drama and join with the white hats in building a better world, with no more New World Order. That strikes me as wishful thinking.

Rather we need to understand what's really going on, beneath the drama.

I would assert that the drama, this and many similar such dramas, are part of yet another restructuring of the political, religious, monetary and economic institutions of our civilization. Let us look deep into that restructuring and the powers, forces and entities involved.

This is not, I assert, a legitimate grassroots effort. Rather the drama, in its various forms, is part of how the grassroots are swept up into larger dynamics, far out of their control or awareness, and likely not in their best interests.

Without adequate awareness, sustained effective action is not possible. With adequate awareness, opportunities for effective action might become visible.
This post is not nearly as carefully thought out as I would have liked. My apologies in advance.

I don’t think any grassroots effort can be properly understood without leaving the top-down, top-heavy perspective which has become second nature to all too many, not least the thinkers and awareness seekers. We are part of the problem; there can be no technical fix to the problem of the endless accumulation of technical fixes. “Yet another restructuring of the political, religious, monetary and economic institutions of our civilization”: restructuring by whom? If it is not by us, then it has to be by ‘them’ – not the Clintons, not the Soroses of this world, there are always further layers to peel off this onion, until there is nothing left, so we start on another one. How many onions do we have to peel to realize we are on the wrong track?

If we truly identify with the grassroots and the restructuring is carried out by us, the grassroots, that means something entirely different from knights in shining armour called white hats coming to save us all. Awareness here is the opposite of intellectual understanding: it is actively walking away from all the toxic nonsense, since the traditional option of instinctively ignoring it is no longer possible. My counterintuitive opinion is that the leadership in this whole saga is coming from the sleeping giant, the silent majority, that has been awakened. How long have we been saying, Wake up people!? Too long to notice that they have?

I am not dealing in wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is a static (timeless), passive abstraction. The corresponding dynamic (time-based), active process combines the abstract theory with action: you say ‘This is the way to go’ and already you are on your way. This is like what you were saying, Paul, about exercising your non-zero influence: positive thinking-plus-doing, however tiny. Since it is part of a process, it does not prejudge a positive outcome, or at least not necessarily any time soon. Simply, it sees and follows the way to go right now. That is all I am saying. We are surely still in for the long haul. But nothing ever got done through wishful doubting.

We all have this faculty to some small degree in any given circumstance. If everyone is tuned in, the overall effect resembles the herd instinct. You don’t need to be a ‘leader’, or even close to one. Only the ‘leaders’ see the lion, but the move to run has to be much better coordinated than a line of cars at a green light. In other words, leadership is provided at every level, which serves as an effective backup when the self-appointed ‘leaders’ massively fail. This is how I see awareness working. We don’t need total awareness in everyone, provided everyone is looking out for his neighbours, which need not be much at all.

There is evidence of a complete turnaround currently in progress when people are made to do the exact opposite of what they were doing before. Individually, we call this immunity, whereby criminals are given the incentive to assist the law instead of breaching it. This is done by breaking their subservience to the bigger fish. Peacenik would extend the immunity all the way up to Hillary, telling her to just cooperate by getting out. Also, collectively, we have what looks like a brand new grassroots electorate that has never voted before. their subservience to the bigger fish is being broken by making their vote count for once.

What ultimately happens when you combine top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking is the craziest nonsense. Kerry Cassidy suggests (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94258-Kerry-Cassidy-update-2016-oct-31-USA-elections-with-SSP-context&p=1110465&viewfull=1#post1110465) that the email server scandal is to do with Hillary’s belonging to the secret space program. The secret space program, we are told, goes to the planets, the stars and can ‘take ET home’. Tell me, how do their rocket scientists achieve these results when their IT colleagues use passwords like ‘passw0rd’? – the worst of the worst in 2015 (https://www.bustle.com/articles/137194-7-password-mistakes-youre-making-because-passw0rd-is-never-a-good-idea), described as the ‘Titanic of bad ideas’. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand that this is simply gross incompetence of the type that Joe Sixpack is capable of understanding, because that is precisely what Joe Sixpack would do – as would hackers and at least one user of the Clinton emails.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don’t think any grassroots effort can be properly understood without leaving the top-down, top-heavy perspective which has become second nature to all too many, not least the thinkers and awareness seekers. ...

If we truly identify with the grassroots and the restructuring is carried out by us, the grassroots, that means something entirely different from knights in shining armour called white hats coming to save us all. ...

...

What ultimately happens when you combine top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking is the craziest nonsense. ...

I take your comments to be saying that (1) top-down solutions don't work, (2) combining top-down and bottom-up thinking doesn't work, so (3) bottom up solutions are needed.

My comments were focused on the "thinking" (awareness) part, not on the "solution" part, except to anticipate that correct action more reliably follows correct awareness.

Yes, combining top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking can produce nonsense. One can produce nonsense by most every technique that can be tried. Even the most essential tactics can produce nonsense and failure.

I recommend combining top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking ... analyzing complex problems at multiple levels is usually essential, in my experience, to achieving adequate awareness sufficient to successful action.

[ThePythonicCow]

Another sign that Hillary has been thrown under the bus by the planet's elite - the stock market closed down today for the 7th day in a row.

Another day, another down day.

The S&P 500 is now down eight days
Another down day - the 9th in a row. The last time this happened was in December 1980 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-04/crude-carnage-slams-stocks-longest-losing-streak-36-years).

[Sueanne47]

Loretta Lynch hit with Federal Lawsuit over secret meeting on plane with Bill Clinton :

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[ThePythonicCow]

Martin Armstrong doubles down on his warnings about Hillary, in his latest blog post on the US election (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/clinton-foundation-being-investigated-now-by-irs/):

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Wikileaks has also revealed that the Clinton Foundation, which is the closest thing to a Racketeering Organized Crime Family, is being investigated by the IRS. However, sources also say that the FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation is far more serious than did she have classified info on private emails.

...Now the FBI is letting the press know that Clinton’s server was hacked by at least five (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/11/03/former-federal-prosecutor-why-did-doj-limit-and-discourage-fbis-clinton-foundation-probe-n2240856) foreign intelligence agencies. There are now also two additional investigations into Hillary on that score. State Department has revealed there were 10 attempts to hack Hillary in just 2 days (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/new-state-department-emails-show-10-hack-attempts-on-clinton-server-in-one-year/). Let’s face it, if Hillary is elected, she will most likely be IMPEACHED as was her husband, but this time she would be removed. This is not a Monica deal.

This election is going down in history as the tipping point for the United States. It has revealed how corrupt Congress really is. We have even former Bush Sr (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395) saying he will vote for Hillary. He just lost all my respect for he has chosen the status quo to save the politicians rather than his country. This is just over the top. Even Podesta began a lobbying firm with his brother, which now collects $120,000 PER MONTH in a fee from Saudi Arabia.

...If Hillary is elected, it will be by rigging the election. Our computer has NEVER been wrong on this score. So if she takes office, this will be the worst administration in history and may very will set in motion the phase transition where capital flees to bonds and we see a significant rise in civil unrest.

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There's more in this Armstrong post, at the above link.

[ThePythonicCow]

The US government will not be able to borrow "hard" currency, such as is actually accepted in payment for trade, except under loans denominated in such SDR equivalent hard currencies.
... and money creation within the domestic US economy will be either by banks lending it into existence (debt-money, by another currency) or by printing and spending it into existence, by the US Treasury.

This risks actual hyperinflation. Despite the cries of the gold bugs and "real money" advocates for decades now, the current US Petro-Narco-Dollar is not and has never been at serious risk of hyperinflating. The Banksters want the world's reserve currency, in which the debt and contracts of most nations and multi-national corporations are denominated, to remain sound, for that is the currency in which debts are repaid and contracts settled.

The Treasury dollar, on the other hand will be yet another national currency, of a nation running a deep budgetary deficit, deeply in long term debt, with little or no gold reserves (Fort Knox is empty, I'm sure), with a major trade deficit, with falling tax revenues due to a failing economy, and with rising social services due to more people in need. That way lies serious inflation, or, perhaps, hyperinflation.

The "printing" and "helicopter drops" of money, which the gold bugs have been screeching about for a long time now ... will finally be a possibility, with the Treasury dollar.

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P.S. -- However there's not a chance in Hades that we'll return to a real gold and/or silver monetary system within the US. It's debt-money all the way down, within and between nations, and with national fiat currencies used to amplify the boom and bust cycles that the Banksters use to pump value out of our civilization.

[ThePythonicCow]

Michael Gray (Avalon member mgray (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?259)) warns of a possible banking crisis this weekend, sufficient to make headline news Monday ... possible: This weekend could be wild (https://mgray12.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/this-weekend-could-be-wild/).

[Cara]

Charles Hugh Smith is an author / commentator mostly addressing socio-economic topics. Here is his take from today:

"Nothing good can come of this election" -- And that's good (http://oftwominds.bmobilized.com/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oftwominds.com%2Fblognov16%2Fbad-good11-16.html)

November 4, 2016
We the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption.

The overwhelming consensus of the punditry across the political spectrum is that "Nothing Good Can Come of This Election"--and that's a very good thing. The handwringing goes like this: The country is deeply divided by schisms that cannot be bridged, every institution from the two parties to the mainstream media to the Department of Justice has been tarnished by cover-ups, collusion or worse; whomever wins the election will enter the presidency without a mandate, and so on.

http://d17w7ldw5x6lbp.cloudfront.net/image-resizer/?/1024/http://www.oftwominds.com/photos2016/car-off-cliff.jpg

Why is "nothing good can come of this" good? Because ridding the nation of its political corruption will require hitting bottom.
Just as an alcoholic or drug addict is incapable of making any truly positive changes until he/she hits absolute bottom, so it is with our tolerance of a corrupt political system that is poisoning the nation, one injection of corrupt cash, collusion and pay-to-play at a time.

If our rotten-to-the-core politics as usual is indeed flying off the cliff to complete destruction, that is an unalloyed good.
Just as alcoholics continue down their self-destructive path with the aid of enablers, so too has the corrupt political order expanded with the aid of the Mainstream Media, insiders in the Department of Justice, K Street lobbyists and a veritable army of well-paid lackeys, pundits, academics, apparatchiks and assorted toadies in the organs of governance and in the big-money private sector and philanthro-capitalist dynasties of pay-to-play foundations.

The only way anything will truly change in the political order is if every Establishment insider politico loses every election, from the presidency to dogcatcher.
Nothing will change until the mere existence of a private foundation like the Clinton Foundation triggers a landslide loss for the politico with ties to such corruption.
Nothing will change until the collusion of the mainstream media (supplying the insider candidate with debate questions, etc.) alone causes the colluding candidate to lose by a landslide.
Nothing will change until candidates who refuse to accept any donation larger than $100 from anyone or any entity beat the Goldman Sachs/Saudi prince-funded insider candidates by a landslide.
Nothing will change until candidates who fund costly negative TV advertising campaigns with millions in pay-to-play "contributions" from Goldman Sachs et al. lose by a landslide.

You get the point: we the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption. We have to stop being bamboozled by insiders with promises of "hope and change" and the usual negative TV blitzes funded by corrupt big money.

It's easy to blame lax campaign laws or the corrupted candidates and their insider toadies, but ultimately we're responsible for enabling corruption, collusion, pay-for-play and a political and financial Elite that's above the law.

From the point of view of the corrupted, colluding insiders, MSM flunkies, Department of Justice lackeys and well-paid parrot-pundits, nothing good can come from this election because half the voters may actually cast off the shackles of the nation's corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites.

This mass rejection of the politics as usual of corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites is the highest possible good --a public good that eludes the hand-wringing corrupt insiders, pundits and toadies who have sucked up fortunes from the trough of putrid systemic corruption
//

[ThePythonicCow]

Charles Hugh Smith is an author / commentator mostly addressing socio-economic topics. Here is his take from today:

"Nothing good can come of this election" -- And that's good (http://oftwominds.bmobilized.com/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oftwominds.com%2Fblognov16%2Fbad-good11-16.html)

November 4, 2016
We the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption.

...
This mass rejection of the politics as usual of corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites is the highest possible good --a public good that eludes the hand-wringing corrupt insiders, pundits and toadies who have sucked up fortunes from the trough of putrid systemic corruption
//
Unfortunately, the choice being presented to us, that appears to be a choice between accepting, or rejecting, systemic corruption, is false drama.

They, the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet, are having their minions (the rich and powerful that we know by name, and the agencies, institutions and corporations that we know of) play good-cop, bad-cop. Some of the minions and agencies (e.g. Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the main stream media) are getting tarred and feathered as evil (which I am sure they are for the most part), and some of the minions and agencies (such as white hats inside the FBI and some alternative media) are getting glorifed as our saviours.

Like a good television series (as with say Jack Bauer on 24) the drama is being built up well. Like a good sports season, the emotion of devoted fans for each side is being pumped to a fever pitch. Soon they'll have us rioting in the stadium and bashing each other's heads with beer bottles, over a failed referee call that decided the biggest game of the year for the "wrong" (or "right", if you wear the other color shirt) team.

There is a goal for this particular game called the 2016 US Presidential Election, which is to get wide spread buy in by the public in the next new world order, of nations cooperating in governing the planet, controlled by a new manifestation of the debt-money system. "They" will first get as many people as they can to hate the current system, then good white hats will overcome and kick out the evil black hats and earn our praise and trust. The new regime will be buzz-word compliant with the current trends and favored memes, and the new leaders will feel more honest and trustworthy.

Nationalism, as in "Make America Great" is one of the favored memes of the white hats. But this will not be an isolationist nationalism of the 19th century. This will be a socially, environmentally, politically, economically responsible nationalism, as the nations of the world, guided by their respected leaders (e.g. Putin, and I expect next year Trump) work together on doing what's right for humanity and for the nations they represent.

The underlying, global control will remain, even deeper than before, embedded into the consciousness of the average man as being the good and proper way to do things.

... excuse me while I barf :).

[7alon]

FBI Clinton Foundation probe finds 'avalanche' of corruption evidence against her - but agents fear Justice Department will stop her going on trial


Clintons are accused of running a pay-for-play operation out of State that favored donors to their charity - a charge they have denied


Feds are 'actively and aggressively pursuing' a case, Fox's Bret Baier said Wednesday, and they have an 'avalanche' of evidence


FBI's pursuit of the case is rooted in recordings of a suspect in a different corruption case who spoke about foundation's alleged dirty dealings
The FBI, under the leadership of director James Comey, believed those conversations were enough to move forward with the probe


Justice Department prosecutors disagreed because the source was not an employee of the Clinton Foundation


The law enforcement agency has at least four other investigations open that involve the Clintons and their close friends, as well



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3901376/Secret-recordings-fueled-FBI-s-desire-probe-Clinton-Foundation-case-moves-likely-indictment.html#ixzz4P7Tl4cuB
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[araucaria]

I don’t think any grassroots effort can be properly understood without leaving the top-down, top-heavy perspective which has become second nature to all too many, not least the thinkers and awareness seekers. ...

If we truly identify with the grassroots and the restructuring is carried out by us, the grassroots, that means something entirely different from knights in shining armour called white hats coming to save us all. ...

...

What ultimately happens when you combine top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking is the craziest nonsense. ...

I take your comments to be saying that (1) top-down solutions don't work, (2) combining top-down and bottom-up thinking doesn't work, so (3) bottom up solutions are needed.

My comments were focused on the "thinking" (awareness) part, not on the "solution" part, except to anticipate that correct action more reliably follows correct awareness.

Yes, combining top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking can produce nonsense. One can produce nonsense by most every technique that can be tried. Even the most essential tactics can produce nonsense and failure.

I recommend combining top-down thinking with bottom-up thinking ... analyzing complex problems at multiple levels is usually essential, in my experience, to achieving adequate awareness sufficient to successful action.


Unfortunately, the choice being presented to us, that appears to be a choice between accepting, or rejecting, systemic corruption, is false drama.
It is false drama, but not a false choice. It is not false drama: it is a real emergency when you have reached the point where the entire American nation has to make that choice collectively on a given day in a single ballot. You are not alone: a similar choice is being made around the world. Just choose to reject systemic corruption and see what happens. This is the mother of all no-brainers. Just do it. The complement to top-down thinking is not ‘bottom-up thinking’: it is bottom-up instinctive action. ‘Analyzing complex problems at multiple levels’ 24/7 is just wading through the swamp. Start draining: if the drainpipe is blocked, cross that bridge when you come to it.

Prompt action is unspectacular, almost to the point of passing totally unnoticed. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=554281&viewfull=1#post554281). In spiritual terms, it means taking the ‘grassroots’ analogy literally. The grassroots are the hidden, underground, resilient, grounded source of sustenance connected to Mother Earth that can be trusted to survive the shortest mowing and the driest summers (at least in my temperate climate!): the divine feminine in other words. Hence as the grassroots, the unwashed masses stop acting as ‘sheeple’, grazing the earth to death, but on the contrary as this hidden life force capable of reviving it.

The response to the attack on the divine feminine is itself also discreetly feminine in nature and doubtless effective whatever the outer masculine manifestations we focus upon when analyzing the intricacies of this political campaign. On working at multiple levels, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83503-Pre-emptive-good-bye-and-thanks-so-much&p=979879&viewfull=1#post979879).

[ThePythonicCow]

It is false drama, but not a false choice. It is not false drama: it is a real emergency when you have reached the point where the entire American nation has to make that choice collectively on a given day in a single ballot. You are not alone: a similar choice is being made around the world. Just choose to reject systemic corruption and see what happens. This is the mother of all no-brainers. Just do it. The complement to top-down thinking is not ‘bottom-up thinking’: it is bottom-up instinctive action. ‘Analyzing complex problems at multiple levels’ 24/7 is just wading through the swamp. Start draining: if the drainpipe is blocked, cross that bridge when you come to it.
Yes - a clear choice. But not the choice that it seems to be.

It would be like presenting a herd of wild cattle with a choice of (1) living in a fenced in pasture (where they will be fed, milked, sheered, de-horned, ear-tagged, and one by one slaughtered for their meat), or (2) living in a dark barn (where the same things will happen.) Moreover, having chosen the first alternative, the move to the dark barn will come later. Actually, we (American cows) have been living in the dark barn for a while (thinking it was the king's castle), and the elite are just running us out into a fenced in pasture, so they can rennovate the barn with more automated feeding, milking, sheering, de-horning, tagging, culling and surveillance equipment.

As I've admitted before, I can scarcely avoid cheering on the new Mafia family, that is throwing out the nasty old Mafia family that has been brutalizing my town for a couple of generations. But my cheers ring hollow, even to me. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Some fundamental shifts are happening now:
* The planet's elite bastards are moving their primary power center from eastern US to eastern China.

* The dominant uni-polar political, financial, military and intelligence control of the planet by the American Empire is shifting to a multi-polar arrangement of cooperating nations and "NGO's" such as the United Nations, BIS, and IMF (all of which are still under the hidden control of the same elite.)

* The Petro-Narco-Dollar "world reserve currency" is being replaced with a multi-national SDR basket of currencies, managed by the BIS and IMF. It's still a debt-money system, just in a different denomination, and a different set of primary agents managing it. (See further Notes [1] and [2] below.)

* Americans are being led, with all this drama, to accept their changing role, from the "exceptional" nation at the head of an Empire, to just another resource rich, but economically impoverished, colony.

* Europeans are being led through a similar transition, with drama suitable to their situation (Brexit, immigration, ...) ... which I have not studied as much.

* The Islamic nations are also being forced, more brutally, through a transition from "too much independence" into submission, first beaten down by the dying military-intelligence complex of the American Empire, and now being invited to crawl into the arms of a "kinder" Russia.

* Africa is being recolonized by another giant of this next world order, China.

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Edward Gibbon) as its capital moved from Rome to Constantinople, is being played out again, more quickly this time.

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Note [1]: The IMF will issue SDR's only to (1) cooperating nations, and (2) multi-national organizations such as the United Nations, to fund vaccination and global climate change initiatives and such, the better to manage humanity and earth's resources.

Note [2]: The vaunted independence of the Federal Reserve will be taken from it. The Federal Reserve has actually been serving as a major part of the global banking system, managing the primary reserve currency, the Petro-Narco-Dollar, for all cooperating national central banks. The Federal Reserve will be demoted to being just another national central bank, more closely integrated with the US Treasury, as part of replacing our current US domestic currency (Federal Reserve Notes) with US Treasury dollars, aka Scheiss Dollars as Jim Willie calls them. This (removing the Fed's independence) is exactly what former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers called for two days ago: Fed independence should be scrapped given economic challenges, Summers says (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-independence-should-be-scrapped-given-economic-challenges-summers-says-2016-11-03)

[ThePythonicCow]

Speaking of "tagging", as others have noted, we humans are being tagged ... by the cell phones that are spreading around the planet.

The SIM card in the cell phone has our ID.

Crypto-currencies provide a secure and reliable way to transact money using a cell phone, which has sufficient CPU. memory and network power to handle such a transaction.

[TargeT]

Speaking of "tagging", as others have noted, we humans are being tagged ... by the cell phones that are spreading around the planet.

The SIM card in the cell phone has our ID.

Crypto-currencies provide a secure and reliable way to transact money using a cell phone, which has sufficient CPU. memory and network power to handle such a transaction.

And thus the "mark of the beast" was happily adopted by the masses.


We target cellphones in drone attacks... so... yeah, you're walking around with a potential hell-fire missile target in your pocket (if you come to the attention of the wrong people).

[ThePythonicCow]

Charles Hugh Smith is an author / commentator mostly addressing socio-economic topics. Here is his take from today:

"Nothing good can come of this election" -- And that's good (http://oftwominds.bmobilized.com/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oftwominds.com%2Fblognov16%2Fbad-good11-16.html)

November 4, 2016
We the citizens and voters have to stop being enablers of systemic corruption.

...
This mass rejection of the politics as usual of corrupt and corrupting political and financial Elites is the highest possible good --a public good that eludes the hand-wringing corrupt insiders, pundits and toadies who have sucked up fortunes from the trough of putrid systemic corruption
//
Unfortunately, the choice being presented to us, that appears to be a choice between accepting, or rejecting, systemic corruption, is false drama.

They, the elite bastards at the pinnacle of power on this planet, are having their minions (the rich and powerful that we know by name, and the agencies, institutions and corporations that we know of) play good-cop, bad-cop.

...
Nationalism, as in "Make America Great" is one of the favored memes of the white hats. But this will not be an isolationist nationalism of the 19th century. This will be a socially, environmentally, politically, economically responsible nationalism, as the nations of the world, guided by their respected leaders (e.g. Putin, and I expect next year Trump) work together on doing what's right for humanity and for the nations they represent.

The underlying, global control will remain, even deeper than before, embedded into the consciousness of the average man as being the good and proper way to do things.

... excuse me while I barf :).

Someone asked me what I was barfing over, in the above posts - was it over Charles Hugh Smith, the elite bastards, the particular opinions of Charles that were posted, ... or what?

What I was barfing over was what I took to be the plans and actions of the elite bastards - their plans for "a socially, environmentally, politically, economically responsible nationalism, as the nations of the world, guided by their respected leaders (e.g. Putin, and I expect next year Trump) work together on doing what's right for humanity and for the nations they represent."

Those nice sounding labels, such as "socially, environmentally, politically, economically responsible" are sugar coating for the same toxic brew of policies that are already destroying our food, air, water, health, wealth, planet, and freedom.

I oppose, and seek to expose, these ongoing policies of the elite, now presenting themselves as the "good, trustworthy, honest" leaders taking down the corrupt leaders of the brutal Soviet and now American empires.

Sorry for the terse ambiguity of my "barf" :).

[bluestflame]

zEZRr_zNdlsanother take on the steve piecznik video

[araucaria]

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Edward Gibbon) as its capital moved from Rome to Constantinople, is being played out again, more quickly this time. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94213-The-Evil-Empire-is-being-destroyed&p=1111017&viewfull=1#post1111017
Yes Paul, you are doing a brilliant job of describing what THEY are doing; but my question is, What are WE doing to stop them? Still scratching our heads, by the look of it, or screaming in dismay that they are getting away with it all over again? Bill has thanked your post, but that can’t be the same Bill who said that he didn’t come into this lifetime to fail. None of us came into this lifetime to fail, but you have evidence right there that success is no foregone conclusion. We are going through a kind of collective near-death experience: nothing less will do; but anything more would be the full-blown death experience we are precisely seeking to avoid.

To complete the above quote, I would add ‘from Constantinople to Venice, and from Venice to Amsterdam and London, and to Rome from Babylon – take note, AS ROMAN SLAVES (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1098540&viewfull=1#post1098540)’. I’m not sure about Constantinople, but as Joseph Farrell points out, all those other places are built on marshland, so Donald Trump’s Drain the Swamp slogan takes on a deeply historical meaning that no one seems to be noticing. What WE are doing, what we are being, is living above the swamp, raising the overall level until the swamp is drained. We are already living (trying to live) on moral high ground in much greater freedom than the elite can ever deprive us of. So my point is: it is dangerous to linger over this stuff when we should be safely above it all, lest we be dragged down. There is a degree of symbolic value in the story of Lot’s wife who turned back to watch the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Some Jeff Rense inerviewee stated that Hillary Clinton literally stank like a dead pig. I have no idea what this means literally; but symbolically it means giving her a wide berth, because the corruption spreads to everyone that comes too close, and gobbles them up like a black hole, which is precisely what we are seeing. The ‘controllers still in control of the uncontrollable’ scenario relies on good people going bad; I have been talking about the reverse: bad people turning good, or rather, good people reverting to type. The problem of course is that the grassroots process I have been describing to some extent coincides with the democratic drain-the-swamp process: to stay clean, you have to get your hands dirty: abstention is no longer an option. But you have to do so without submitting to the toxic fascination that these charismatic people are clearly able to elicit, one person at a time, and weaponize. The way to achieve this is to rely on large numbers, a critical mass, working together, and this is in fact what appears to be happening. Will it be enough? I don’t know: maybe not this time... but there will be a next time. The process/progress is slow, but it is happening; it has not stalled, or gone into reverse. This may not be obvious to our perceptions: watch the wheels on a waggon in a western (a neat little alliteration): as the wheels go forward – and so does the waggon – the spokes go backwards (a well-understood optical illusion).

What is new in recent times is the changing demographics: while the elite of relatively soulless entities has shrunk to less than 1% (counterintuitively a good thing), the masses have grown to over seven billion souls (counterintuitively another good thing) whose individual awareness does not need to be great or to have grown much for the groundswell of collective awareness to take charge. Add to that the fact that individual awareness has in fact grown considerably, not least during this sordid campaign in which, for example, their hero Donald Trump has been forced to express deeper contrition than Bill Clinton ever did for ‘locker room’ behaviour – counterintuitively another good thing since quite a few will have found out for the first time that it is definitely not okay.

The trouble with what I have called wishful doubting is that it is self-fulfilling: it undermines any effort to turn wishful thinking into positive action. Nothing new will happen because nothing new is expected or catered for. Joe Six-pack, who is about to stir and discover his vote can really count, is told, ‘You’re wasting your time buddy; you may as well stay on your couch with your remote.’ And this also amounts to saying, ‘I’ll come and join you, because I’ve been wasting my time and other people’s time too.’ Is Avalon a waste of time? I don’t think so; but sometimes I do wonder...

I am saying nothing here that I haven’t tried to say before. See these posts:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91509-The-UK-Brexit-vote-to-leave-the-EU&p=1078861&viewfull=1#post1078861
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86791-Road-to-world-peace&p=1021706&viewfull=1#post1021706 and preceding posts
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91692-Soft-underbellies&p=1085139&viewfull=1#post1085139 and preceding posts

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes Paul, you are doing a brilliant job of describing what THEY are doing; but my question is, What are WE doing to stop them? Still scratching our heads, by the look of it, or screaming in dismay that they are getting away with it all over again? Bill has thanked your post, but that can’t be the same Bill who said that he didn’t come into this lifetime to fail.
You're reminding me of some managers I've worked for when I was a computer programmer ... who needed the bug fixed, or feature working right NOW :).

Sometimes that was doable, sometimes not Sometimes myself and my colleagues didn't have good answers. Sometimes we didn't understand what was going on well enough to find good answers in a timely manner.

In cases like that we did what medical emergency personnel call "triage". Do what you can to remain "in the game", to delay irreversible consequences as best you can. We had to pick and choose what compromises had to be made, between what we desired, and what we were able to do.

I feel less urgency in these issues of humanity than you apparently do. These are problems that humanity has been dealing with for millenia ... at least. We'll surely be dealing with them long after I die. These problems are deeply entangled with the human condition.

Also, don't lose sight of the (likely) fact that proper awareness, a better understanding of what's happening, is a powerful antidote to the toxic deceptions of our elite bastard overlords.

Proper action arises from proper awareness ... on its own time table. Meanwhile, take whatever personal actions you need to take to remain "in the game."

The urgency I feel is to keep figuring things out ... events provide unique opportunities to gain insight into what's going on and how things work. We're not dealing with reproducible experiments in a laboratory here ... the "experiments" happen in real time ... they're what's called life.

"The moving finger writes; and having writ, moves on" -- from the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

The acorn is not impatient to become an oak tree ... it will know when the time is ripe.

[araucaria]

Paul, your post, and particularly your remarks on urgency, shows you are not at all getting what I am trying to say. I am not going to pursue the matter further, except to say that focussing on ‘our elite bastard overlords’ – something, I think it’s fair to say (non-judgementally), you tend to do more than I – is to empower them. I am in no hurry for an immediate fix when I can step outside of the game, since, here and now, nothing’s broken.

You want “a better understanding of what's happening”? Try this: life is precisely not a computer program.

[TargeT]

I feel less urgency in these issues of humanity..... These are problems that humanity has been dealing with for millenia ... at least. We'll surely be dealing with them long after I die. These problems are deeply entangled with the human condition.



This is understanding is hard to keep in mind, but important.. Kings and queens aren't gone even today, the same people are doing the same oppressive things to us plebs, just with different CONTEXT.

Slavery did not end, it just shifted contexts & is now bigger than ever with .0001% of the population as "masters" turning the rest of us against each other as they have since as long as we have history to tell us what happened (history that you have to "read between the lines" with because that too is influenced by "them").

There is little that will happen to drastically influence this in our favor... at this point I"m satisfied with any incremental increase in freedom that I can achieve.


Also, don't lose sight of the (likely) fact that proper awareness, a better understanding of what's happening, is a powerful antidote to the toxic deceptions of our elite bastard overlords.

Proper action arises from proper awareness ... on its own time table. Meanwhile, take whatever personal actions you need to take to remain "in the game."


I cannot see a more powerful thing that we "plebs" can do other than inform each other and bring to the "common knowledge" distrust and caution in those .0001% that are willingly allowed to oppress us.

The simplicity of that sentence doesn't reflect at all on the challenges we face on this however.

example:
I live on an island that is almost 100% democrat, and 80% black (traditionally die hard democrats), my co-workers still insist that hillary is our only chance and we are F**ked if trump is elected (not that it matters, but they have not given any consideration whatsoever to the side of the argument that does not agree with them & can't be bothered to listen to anything contrary to their beliefs with out becoming emotional)..... in this I see the challenge we face & it has lead me to be very satisfied with even small advances as breaking "group think" up is very very difficult if not initiated by the individual themselves.

My boss, an 05 (LTC) in the army; HONESTLY thinks that Obama is the best president that we have ever had... and he says that with complete conviction.... how could you EVER even APPROACH discussing topics with a person who's beliefs are so strongly held... we know from this video you CANNOT. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o)

we have quite a fight ahead of us... but it's all about concept management.. it's all "in our heads" imo.

[Satori]

The Hegelian dialectic, problem-reaction-solution at its best; or worst, depending on how the predetermined solution plays out.

I'm on the fence about Peiczenik but leaning towards the view he's with the forces behind HRC and not Trump-- principally because of his background and because he has been praiseworthy of Daddy Bush, Kissinger and others, all of whom are clearly criminals. He also falls into the group of people who make me suspicious because they essentially tell us not to worry, stand down and do nothing, because good guys like me have your back. But, is he a good guy?

Once again we are presented with conflicting points of view, leading us to disagree about who and what to believe. As a result, we stand around staring at our navels and do nothing. Sometimes doing nothing is the correct strategy. Other times not. If action is required, what is the proper action? That's the $64,000 question.

I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. I sincerely pray for a peaceful transition of the pResidency to Trump. From a Utilitarian stand point, the lesser of two evils is a net gain over the greater of two evils.

[ThePythonicCow]

... except to say that focussing on ‘our elite bastard overlords’ – something, I think it’s fair to say (non-judgementally), you tend to do more than I – is to empower them.
If one is imprisoned in a gulag, it does not necessarily empower one's imprisoners to recognize that one is imprisoned by them.

It depends on whether one accepts that imprisonment as if it were some immutable law of physics, or whether instead one realizes that eventually things will change and that one's self might be an agent of that change, even if one doesn't yet consciously know just how that might come to be.

[ThePythonicCow]

However, I further predict that the Election will not end with the announced results, after polls close, the evening of Tuesday, Nov 8, 2016.

(P.S. -- Perhaps Trump loses narrowly in the Electoral College, but wins heavily in the popular vote, due to sufficient election fraud in a few critical states to "steal" them for Hillary by narrow margins. This could be enough to motivate a change that I am sure the elite bastards would love - replacing the state-by-state Electoral College system with a national popular vote system for deciding the election. Such a change would disenfranchise various corrupt local political machines that can steal individual states, and put the real power in the national media, which can manipulate the entire nation's vote. "National Election Reform" might also be accomplished here, further centralizing control of the mechanisms of voting. This could be associated with improved "ID" standards, identifying legal voters.)

Finally, sadly, it seems that at the earliest of the predictions is coming true: FBI quizzes Hillary Clinton -- Post #353 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91646-FBI-quizzes-Hillary-Clinton-on-emails-2-July-2016-Hillary-Lied-Under-Oath.....&p=1111451&viewfull=1#post1111451)

[araucaria]

... except to say that focussing on ‘our elite bastard overlords’ – something, I think it’s fair to say (non-judgementally), you tend to do more than I – is to empower them.
If one is imprisoned in a gulag, it does not necessarily empower one's imprisoners to recognize that one is imprisoned by them.

It depends on whether one accepts that imprisonment as if it were some immutable law of physics, or whether instead one realizes that eventually things will change and that one's self might be an agent of that change, even if one doesn't yet consciously know just how that might come to be.
If you were imprisoned in a German WWII concentration camp, you could disempower your imprisoners, i.e. survive the ordeal and sometimes send them to jail or worse, especially if you belonged to one of two categories: Catholics or Communists. In both cases it boils down to altruism, in other words basic decent human existence in the most trying conditions exactly as normal. The former believed in a higher entity/dimension/authority (God) and belonged to an organization (the Church) applying the precept ‘love your neighbour as yourself’. The latter subscribed to a higher entity/dimension/authority (Humanism) and belonged to an organization (the Party) applying the precept of comradeship. The Communists were actually the more efficient of the two, because they were used to operating in (clandestine) networks, both in peacetime and in wartime resistance movements. Altruism meant counterintuitively sharing what little you had with others needing it still more. They had a system of smuggling food and other necessities to those in the infirmary with a chance of survival. (source: my daughter’s 1400-page thesis.)

Since these people were merely doing what came to them naturally in normal circumstances, this means there are certain groups and certain behaviours that are both likely targets for the imprisoners and yet more immune to imprisonment than others; and their members definitely have conscious knowledge of what works and how and why.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

zEZRr_zNdlsanother take on the steve piecznik video

That guy's whole argument revolves around Assange saying that intelligence agencies are working against Trump. The implication is that all intelligence agencies and everyone that works for them are either with us or against us. That's very black-and-white thinking that I don't believe anyone smart enough to work in intelligence would believe for a second. In the case of the FBI alone we know there are differences of opinion within the bureau, to put it mildly.

[TrumanCash]

@ Target T, post 106: "And thus the "mark of the beast" was happily adopted by the masses."

Right on, dude. :thumbsup: I just posted some info on this very subject here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94365-What--s-the-end-point-of-evil-cabal-having-its-way&p=1111939&viewfull=1#post1111939).

@ Paul, post 101: "... excuse me while I barf."

Barf on, dude. :thumbsup:

[TargeT]

I've just been wondering how this factors into it... (especially as I work for that particularly large budgeted group).

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/55e462db9dd7cc0f008b6fb8/image.jpg

That military won't go away over night, and the amount of equipment and inventory we have is a bit insane... the US will have to work hard to draw down it's military to a reasonable level; and now with HRC talking **** to Russia & about to become POTUS.... maybe I see the reason we still have a large fighting force....

[WildOrchid]

Seems appropriate with all the global turmoil we are going through...
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[ThePythonicCow]

Seems appropriate with all the global turmoil we are going through...
I disagree with that short clip.

Evil does not disappear because it is not opposed. The evil bastards can only wish we will not oppose them.

Rather greater awareness, leading to the right action, at the right time, is what successfully opposes evil.

[ThePythonicCow]

My chronicling of the Decline and Fall of the Evil Empire continues over on another thread: Economic Outlook for 2017: debt deflation, supply shortages, currency inflation, bank failures, repossession (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94481-Economic-Outlook-for-2017-debt-deflation-supply-shortages-currency-inflation-bank-failures-repossession&p=1113775#post1113775).

[WildOrchid]

Seems appropriate with all the global turmoil we are going through...
I disagree with that short clip.

Evil does not disappear because it is not opposed. The evil bastards can only wish we will not oppose them.

Rather greater awareness, leading to the right action, at the right time, is what successfully opposes evil.

I completly agree with you. But this quote does not say "do not oppose evil", it says "give evil nothing to oppose". That is quite different, and in my view implies to taking the wind out of it's (evil) sails, a mental or spiritual attitude along the lines of what the quote describes below...

http://simplereminders.com/uploads/images/blog/adyashanti-resist-we-become-2s9k.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

I completly agree with you. But this quote does not say "do not oppose evil", it says "give evil nothing to oppose". That is quite different, and in my view implies to taking the wind out of it's (evil) sails, a mental or spiritual attitude along the lines of what the quote describes below..
Excellent point, well made.

[TargeT]

A touch of "Federal reserve" panic?


How Trump Could Spell Trouble for the Fed
Research has documented that central banks around the world have been better able to control inflation if they enjoy independence from elected officials. The election of Donald Trump seems like a good time to remind ourselves that, historically, the executive branch has presented the greatest threat to the independence of the U.S. Federal Reserve.

Since its founding in 1913, the Fed has experienced two big failures of independence. The first occurred during World War II and its aftermath, when the central bank held long-term interest rates down to allow the government to borrow cheaply. Inflation soared to nearly 10 percent during the early days of the Korean War, until the arrangement ended with the so-called Fed-Treasury accord in 1951.

The second failure occurred in the latter half of the 1960s and the 1970s. Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon put (largely covert) pressure on Fed chairs William McChesney Martin and Arthur Burns to provide monetary stimulus to keep unemployment low and generate more popular support for their administrations. This led, in part, to the so-called Great Inflation of the 1960s and 1970s.

Could something similar happen today? Well, suppose Trump appoints a new Fed chair and vice-chair in 2018, replacing incumbents Janet Yellen and Stan Fischer. If he also fills two currently empty positions, he will have appointed four out of the seven members on the central bank's Board of Governors.

Now imagine Trump decides that his new appointees should be loyal to him and his pro-growth agenda. He could put private (and possibly public) pressure on the Fed chair to ensure that monetary policy supported his administration’s plans, even if doing so led to high inflation. Presumably, he could also appoint a Fed chair sympathetic to his vision. (This would not be without precedent: Franklin Roosevelt and his Fed chair Marriner Eccles believed strongly in the need for congruence between the Fed’s monetary policy and the White House’s economic policy.)

There is absolutely nothing in U.S. law preventing Trump from violating the Fed's independence, a post-1979 development that rests largely on the restraint of the president. Will Trump show this restraint? We'll see.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-15/how-trump-could-spell-trouble-for-the-fed



http://simplereminders.com/uploads/images/blog/adyashanti-resist-we-become-2s9k.jpg


I resist being awesome all the time... :thumbsup:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting article... RMN

The heavens opened up wide on November 8 and are now raining a shower of grace and blessings on the United States of America. God Almighty has shown great compassion and kindness to the American people. Some might even say divine mercy.


Truly, the election of Donald J. Trump is the first vital step toward restoring the American Republic as designed by the prescient Founding Fathers. Trump’s complete reversal of the Obamanation was absolutely necessary if this nation was to avoid a continuing collapse.


However, that is not the “HUGE” we are talking about here.


For perhaps the first time in modern history the alternative and independent media (Alt-Media) had a major influence on the outcome of a U.S. presidential election. Some have even said that it was a decisive one. That without the Alt-Media operating at full tilt, Trump would not have won. How HUGE is that?!


Now here’s the real HUGEness of this evolving success story.


With the formal appointment of Stephen Bannon (Executive Chairman of BREITBART News) by Trump “as his chief White House strategist and senior counselor”, everything changes—BIG TIME.


How so?





Because, for the first time in U.S. history a powerful alternative news platform will have the ear of a POTUS and serious access to the West Wing.


Not only is Bannon a very conscientious truth-seeker following in the footsteps of founder Andrew Breitbart, he is also a no-nonsense political warrior who will not suffer fools gladly. His professional background clearly reflects an individual who has been around the block…many blocks … that he will now be required to consult on. Here are some of his credentials:


Who is Stephen Bannon?


• Executive Chairman of Breitbart news, the most widely-read conservative news and opinion site in America.

• A graduate of Georgetown University and Harvard Business School, former US Navy officer and investment banker at Goldman Sachs

• Conservative documentary film-maker who produced films celebrating Reagan, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party

(Source: Trump election: Priebus and Bannon given key roles)


What does this extraordinary development really mean?


It means that the US of A is about to be treated to a dose of reality never experienced by the media-consuming public.


It also signals Trump’s intention to permit the brutal truths to be disseminated by his administration. Many of those truths, by the way, are not only quite inconvenient to the current power structure behind the U.S. Federal Government, some are downright radioactive that will eventually go nuclear.





In other words the Fifth Estate will see a rapid ascendancy during the Trump Administration. Not only does Trump have an unprecedented opportunity to download volumes of unredacted government documents — from all the previous administrations — into the public domain, he can grant special access to his preferred media outlets. In so doing, Trump will deprive the mainstream media (MSM) of their previous monopoly to spin the facts anyway they were directed to by the intelligence services. After all, every major MSM outlet is completely controlled by the CIA, DIA and NSA.


The Fifth Estate Casts Its Shadow Like a Massive Mothership


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The bottom line here is that under a President Trump, the Fifth Estate will trump the Fourth Estate. When Alex Jones of Infowars.com receives a call of gratitude from the president-elect, there can be no question about the future of media within the Beltway.


Alex Jones says Trump called to thank him for his support


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Special Note:

The CCRG published a very prescient piece on the coming “Multi-Media Mothership Internet Platform” that will soon cast its shadow over the traditional MSM. When the Mothership finally arrives, it will completely overshadow the Mainstream Media to the extent where most of the MSM outlets will go out of business. This must occur sooner than later if the planetary civilization is to experience the overhaul it is in desperate need of. Such a worldwide rejuvenation can only take place in the wake of an MSM collapse or takeover because, in effect: Whoever Controls The Media Controls The World. Hence, it is now high time for the global village to receive its news and commentary from the town criers who have been only a voice in the wilderness over millennia. This is why the appointment of BREITBART’s Steve Bannon will end up being the most important of the Trump transition team.

____________________________________________


Conclusion


Whoever controls the national media, effectively controls the country. Given the massive sea change in American politics that has precipitated from what is really a 12.0 Trumpquake, the U.S. citizenry can first expect to see a tsunami of truth wash over the land as the various institutions of the Fourth Estate succumb to the incomparable earthquake.


Even the once-venerated New York Times sees its demise on the horizon, or else it would have never deigned to publish such an utterly humiliating mea culpa. (The NYT Publicly Promises To Start “Reporting Honestly”) Likewise, there are a plethora of other traditional dailies in conservative regions of the USA which made the regrettable mistake of both endorsing Mrs. Clinton and trashing Mr. Trump. Each of them is now issuing their compulsory apologies to their right-of-center readerships… before their advertising revenues and subscriptions collapse.


What makes the coming Trumpocalypse even more unsettling for the MSM, is that they have already been deeply averse to printing the truth for decades…even though their bottom lines are being increasingly gutted by the year. Make no mistake about it: the very cozy and incestuous relationships that exist within Government-Corporate-Media Complex is about to experience a full-blown Trumpageddon.


State of the Nation

November 15, 2016


Author’s Note


Another huge event took place during the 2016 campaign season that saw the role of women take center stage in politics. In the case of Hillary Clinton, it was a real downer. However, the pivotal role of a real woman — Kellyanne Conway — as Trump’s last campaign chair was a first in American politics. (The Woman Behind the Trump Victory) Some pundits and analysts wonder if Trump would have won without her. They also wonder if he would have won the Republican nomination without the sage advice of his principal advisor and daughter— Ivanka. (Ivanka Trump Is a Key Adviser to Her Father)


Editor’s Note:


The single biggest move that President-elect Trump can make is to ban the MSM reporters from the White House press conferences for the first 180 days. He should open the doors to the Alt-Media and Indy media with special privileges in covering his focused government reform and political agendas. This single initiative would force the entire nation into the alternative media paradigm, thereby permitting the dissemination of vital information into American living rooms on an unprecedented scale. This very controlled process of revelation could be conducted incrementally so that one day the whole USA would know that 9/11 was an inside job.

Viking

[ThePythonicCow]

There is absolutely nothing in U.S. law preventing Trump from violating the Fed's independence, a post-1979 development that rests largely on the restraint of the president. Will Trump show this restraint? We'll see.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-15/how-trump-could-spell-trouble-for-the-fed
The Fed's "vaunted independence" was, in my view, cover for the Fed's other major role for the last few decades, as the primary issuer of US Dollar denominated "senior assets" for the world's central banks. The Fed was not just the central bank of the US. It was also a key part of the global IMF/BIS/World Bank complex, creating what has been the world's reserve currency and senior asset.

I anticipate that this global role of the Fed will be ending soon, as a new multi-polar political system, along with a corresponding multi-currency world monetary system, replaces the US Dollar denominated world monetary system.

This ending of the global part of the Fed's mission will be hidden behind a controversy over whether to end the Fed's "independence."

The Fed was not independent. It did not march to the beat of its own drum. Rather it marched to the beat of a different drum, as a key player in what has been the world monetary system.

The Fed's globalist role will be retired soon; as it becomes just another central bank of some nation, the US in this case.

... but they won't say this publicly, as that globalist role was covert.

===

We are not witnessing a battle against the evil globalist forces.

We are witnessing a transformation of globalist structure from the unipolar century of American exceptionalism and King Dollar, to a more broadly accepted century of multi-national support for a more openly global policitical structure, and of multi-currency support for a more openly global monetary structure.

===

I suspect that the globalists are seeking a more broadly accepted global control structure, before they replace the technology and petroleum based energy of the 20th century, with the new technology and energy sources that can

reasonably "take us to the stars", or at least to the asteroids and other planets, to mine minerals, and
better support human civilization in the advent of a global cooling and mini ice age (or not so mini - who knows?) that seems to some analysts to be imminent.

[Yetti]

I'm sure they'll going to play this card with the Project blue beam, and any other fearmonger tactic to scare the s,,t out of the people , keep them distracted and place themselves on a position of control again.
Spill the beans, spread all the videos related to imform the people , even if they do not believe at first sight , they will know is a hoax when it happens.

[ThePythonicCow]

We are witnessing a transformation of globalist structure from the unipolar century of American exceptionalism and King Dollar, to a more broadly accepted century of multi-national support for a more openly global policitical structure, and of multi-currency support for a more openly global monetary structure.
This transformation is being presented to us as the opposite, however.

For example, in this article by Zheng Jianghua, quoting Prof. David Fouquet, vice-president of European Centre for International and Strategic Research (CERIS), published on various European news websites including at Will Trump adopt a more unilateral foreign policy? (xinhuanet.com) (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-11/15/c_135831807.htm) we read:

"The result could be a generally strong tendency to more unilateral and less multilateral in U.S. foreign policy and action," said Fouquet, also director of Asia-Europe Project of CERIS.

...Moreover, the new U.S. administration's probable unilateralism would also tend to undermine much international cooperation dedicated to addressing other global challenges, ranging from arms control, non-proliferation to poverty alleviation, he said.
What is being described here as unilateralism, and elsewhere as nationalism, is actually the breakdown of Anglo-American dominated arrangements. This will be followed by political, economic, and monetary crises, which provide the opportunity to garner broad global support for the new, "kinder, gentler", multi-polar, multi-national, multi-currency world order.

[Satori]

I completly agree with you. But this quote does not say "do not oppose evil", it says "give evil nothing to oppose". That is quite different, and in my view implies to taking the wind out of it's (evil) sails, a mental or spiritual attitude along the lines of what the quote describes below..
Excellent point, well made.

Then, evil goes unopposed. I think what could be stated is: oppose nothing but evil.

[ThePythonicCow]

Then, evil goes unopposed. I think what could be stated is: oppose nothing but evil.
That's how I initially reacted to WildOrchid's next to last post on this thread as well, Satori.

I think WildOrchid was saying something else, as clarified in her follow-up post. Oppose, but not in opposition, at the same level, but rather oppose from a different level, so that the would be opponent finds themselves flailing at the empty wind.

[ThePythonicCow]

What is being described here as unilateralism, and elsewhere as nationalism, is actually the breakdown of Anglo-American dominated arrangements. This will be followed by political, economic, and monetary crises, which provide the opportunity to garner broad global support for the new, "kinder, gentler", multi-polar, multi-national, multi-currency world order.

In other words, we're seeing another variant of the Hegelian Dialectic, in two stages.

In the first stage, the decaying American globalist imperialists, including their NATO and Eurozone projects, and including their "War on Terror" (should be called "War of Terror") in the Middle East are being opposed by what are branded as populist, nationalist uprisings, such as seen with Brexit, Trump, and Le Pen in France. These renewed nation-states will take the stage alongside Russia and China, as major nations, each with strong popular support.

Then in the second stage, global disasters, including at least an ecnomic/financial/monetary disaster, and perhaps other military or alien or whatever disasters as well, will compel these major nations to "come together", reinvigorating multi-polar, multi-currency, global cooperation and structure.

I do not expect that Trump will be blamed (to the point of destroying his Presidency) for these disasters, any more than I expect Putin or Xi Jinping to be blamed (to the point of causing their downfall) for the disasters. Rather I expect that they will work together to forge the deals, and sell them to their respective nations, that will establish the foundations of a more powerful and effective global finance (based on debt-money, of course) and governance structure. I expect that nationalist movements will win in some other European nations, such as France, Italy and Germany, leading to the collapse of NATO and the downfall or major restructuring of the European Union.

The Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, the Islamic Terrorists and Muslim Brotherhood, and the House of Saud and terrorist sponsoring governments in some other Arabian peninsula countries will all be swept into the dustbin of history, as losers, to be blamed for the problems.

The "vaunted independence" of the US Federal Reserve (really a hidden agenda as a central part of the current US Dollar based global reserve currency), the Exchange Stabilization Fund, the US Treasury debt, the US Dollar as the Global Reserve currency, and some too big to fail US banks, will also be blamed, and will be restructured as more limited, national monetary agents.

The economic restructuring that must take place must include replacing petroleum with energy technology from the black ops projects.

The net energy extracted from petroleum projects (marketable energy extracted, minus the energy cost of extracting it) has been declining for a century, to the point that now world economic growth is rapidly now turning negative, as documented and explained well by Gail Tverberg the Actuary at https://ourfiniteworld.com. Either our civilization turns to a new, substantially more energy efficient, source of energy, and soon, or else our human civlization turns into a very major decline.

The clear goals, from what I can tell, of the "real globalists", the most powerful elite on the planet, seem to be to: strengthen global governance on a multi-polar basis, as formed by cooperating major nations,
reset and globalize the debt-money system on a multi-national currency basis,
complete the move of their primary power base from eastern US to eastern China,
replace petroleum with black ops technology for energy,
and mine the solar system's planets and asteroids using robots.If the petroleum based energy supply of our civilization is already entering the rapid decline of energy efficiency documented by Gail Tverberg, and if global temperatures are about to enter a major cooling lasting decades if not centuries, then time is of the essence in accomplishing these transitions.

The US will not return to its former glory as the world's leading manufacturer ... robotics and a fundamental change in our civilization's primary energy source will change the economics of mining, manufacturing and transportation far too much to ever return to the past.

[TargeT]

What is being described here as unilateralism, and elsewhere as nationalism, is actually the breakdown of Anglo-American dominated arrangements. This will be followed by political, economic, and monetary crises, which provide the opportunity to garner broad global support for the new, "kinder, gentler", multi-polar, multi-national, multi-currency world order.

In other words, we're seeing another variant of the Hegelian Dialectic, in two stages.

This is the favored tactic of TPTB & it's a frustrating one.. issues are presented as the opposite of reality, some times in very convincing ways and ALWAYS heavy on emotional manipulation. Then inserted into the "machinery" of the Hegelian Dialectic and put through its paces until the injected topic loses favor with the masses or looses "impact" then a new one is introduced (or multiple issues that have gone through the same treatment).

I look for this pattern (easiest to see the last bit, the emotional manipulation, then back track from there) and find it far too often.. we are so heavily and constantly manipulated it's astounding.



The US will not return to its former glory as the world's leading manufacturer ... robotics and a fundamental change in our civlization's primary energy source will change the economics of mining, manufacturing and transportation far too much to ever return to the past.


Manufacturing is about to become very different, very decentralized and very "minimized" as an economic impact.

3d printing and robotic assembly lines will come to t he US, but provide few actual jobs, that combined with automated transportation will devastate the world job market.

Which will cause civil unrest unless dealt with, and I'm sure there' s a plan for that.. but I can't see what it is now.

[turiya]

What is being described here as unilateralism, and elsewhere as nationalism, is actually the breakdown of Anglo-American dominated arrangements. This will be followed by political, economic, and monetary crises, which provide the opportunity to garner broad global support for the new, "kinder, gentler", multi-polar, multi-national, multi-currency world order.

In other words, we're seeing another variant of the Hegelian Dialectic, in two stages.

This is the favored tactic of TPTB & it's a frustrating one.. issues are presented as the opposite of reality, some times in very convincing ways and ALWAYS heavy on emotional manipulation. Then inserted into the "machinery" of the Hegelian Dialectic and put through its paces until the injected topic loses favor with the masses or looses "impact" then a new one is introduced (or multiple issues that have gone through the same treatment).

I look for this pattern (easiest to see the last bit, the emotional manipulation, then back track from there) and find it far too often.. we are so heavily and constantly manipulated it's astounding.

As the pendulum swings...

There is a secret law:
when the pendulum is going to the left, it appears to be going to the left, but it is gathering momentum to go right. When it is going to the left, it is gathering energy, momentum, to go right; when it is going right, it is gathering momentum to go left. So what appears is not the whole thing.

When you are becoming happy, you are gathering momentum to be unhappy. So you are laughing, know that the moment is not far away when sadness comes. This is the natural law of mind. It moves from one pole to the other.

How to stop the pendulum from swinging?

Be a Witness... just be aware of the movement, and don't react.
It will eventually come to rest.
Perhaps not in the outside world, but within...

[ThePythonicCow]

From Dollar hits 14-year high as Trump-fueled bond sell-off resumes (Reuters) (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/asia-shares-win-reprieve-bond-rout-pauses-now-004900870.html):

The dollar hit a 14-year high against a basket of currencies on Wednesday as a post-U.S. election sell-off resumed across global bond markets, lifting Treasury yields and attracting investors to the U.S. currency.

That halted stocks in their tracks, with Europe's main indices down as much as 0.8 percent and Wall Street expected to open 0.5 percent lower.

The Bank for International Settlements this week repeated its view that a stronger dollar poses risks for global markets and financial stability.
Notice that last line, which I marked in bold.

The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) will be one of the winners in the next new world order, and as usual, future winners get to look prescient, telling us where we're going, thereby helping to guide us to our intended future.

The whole dang world is up to their eyeballs in US Dollar denominated debt, and now US Dollars are harder to get than they have been at any other time in the last 14 years.

The world's numero uno "crack" dealer - the World's Banksters issuing Dollar denominated debt - have lent into existence more debt, securities and derivatives than ever before in history. They are now tightening the supply of "crack". Exactly as the BIS says, a stronger dollar poses risks for global markets and financial stability.

Market collapses typically occur from the outside in. The weaker periphery collapses first, then the collapse works its way into the core.

This is the same way, for centuries (at least) that the money system has been used to pump and dump economies, large and small, gaining leverage and control coming and going. It's using debt-money like drug dealers use crack.

History is filled with these pump and dump cycles, with these booms and busts.

This coming bust of the US Dollar as the global reserve currency, the drug of choice for denominating major debt, contracts and world trade settlement, is looking to be truly epic.

(And notice that Trump isn't being blamed for this. It's not that Trump is causing this. Rather Trump is being used to help trigger these reactions. The world's reported reaction to Trump's victory, as with the reported reaction to Brexit's victory, is being used to help trigger the intended responses.)

[Maia Gabrial]

Remember when Obama was America's big hope? Everyone was so frigging excited about him. He made 160 campaign promises that he failed to fulfill; except the one about change. He NEVER once said what kind of change that would be. Sadly, Americans only heard what they wanted to hear....

Now everyone is doing the same thing with Donald Chump. I really hope he does bring about the positive change for us. In doing so, he'll be changing everything for everyone on the planet. (Btw he's not even sworn in yet, but he's gotten together with that Khazarian psycho, Netanyahoo. That doesn't bode well for us in my opinion.) I really hope the man doesn't follow in Obummer's footsteps and promise one thing and do the opposite.....Only time will tell....

Just to let everyone know, I didn't vote for either the Hildebeast or Chump (or Obummer for that matter).
It was tossed in my face that voting for a third party member was throwing my vote away. How did this kind of thinking come about anyway? There was a time when there was no such thing as Republican or Democratic parties. A man ran on an important platform to get elected. What happened to this? How did we get duped into thinking that we HAD to vote for the lesser of 2 evils? There were 3 other candidates in the political arena. The medias never gave them a chance, that's for sure.

Imo, those who voted for the lesser of 2 evils, threw THEIR votes away, especially when there were other choices.

My question to everyone is this: What happens when Trump turns out to be the same or worse....?

Will you tolerate it?

[TargeT]

History is filled with these pump and dump cycles, with these booms and busts.


Pump what?



US housing starts surge to 9-year high in October
U.S. housing starts surged to a more than nine-year high in October as builders ramped up construction of both single and multifamily homes, offering hope that housing will contribute to economic growth in the fourth quarter.

Groundbreaking jumped 25.5 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual pace of 1.32 million units, the highest level since August 2007, the Commerce Department said on Thursday. The percent increase was the biggest since July 1982. Starts increased in all four regions last month.

September's starts were unrevised at a 1.05 million-unit rate. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast housing starts rising to a 1.16 million-unit pace in October. Residential construction has been a drag on gross domestic product for two straight quarters.

Single-family home building, which accounts for the largest share of the residential housing market, jumped 10.7 percent to an 869,000-unit pace in October, the highest since October 2007.

The housing market is being driven by a tightening labor market, which is starting to drive up wages.

Housing starts for the volatile multi-family segment soared 68.8 percent to a 454,000-unit pace. Starts for buildings with five units or more hit their highest level since June 2015.

Permits for future construction edged up 0.3 percent in October. Single-family permits rose 2.7 percent last month, while building permits for multi-family units fell 3.3 percent.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/17/us-housing-starts-oct-2016.html

[Satori]

Then, evil goes unopposed. I think what could be stated is: oppose nothing but evil.
That's how I initially reacted to WildOrchid's next to last post on this thread as well, Satori.

I think WildOrchid was saying something else, as clarified in her follow-up post. Oppose, but not in opposition, at the same level, but rather oppose from a different level, so that the would be opponent finds themselves flailing at the empty wind.

"The art of fighting, without fighting."

[ThePythonicCow]

I do not expect that Trump will be blamed [...] for these [economic/financial/monetary] disasters
Yesterday Brandon Smith made a strong case that Trump and nationalists will be blamed for the upcoming economic/financial/monetary disasters.

Brandon said of people (such as myself, in the above quoted post <grin>): World Suffers From Trump Shell Shock - Here’s What Will Happen Next (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3061-world-suffers-from-trump-shell-shock-heres-what-will-happen-next):

Don’t tell me that Trump cannot be blamed for an economic crisis. Only a complete idiot would suggest that he is anything other than the perfect scapegoat.

I may be able to scrape by, however, without totally tarnishing my forecasting record. Elsewhere a few days ago (as quoted below in this post), I posted that if the economic collapse became obvious to the general public within the next few months, then Trump would successfully blame the previous administration, but that if it took several months or more for the collapse to be obvious to everyone, then the blame would fall solidly on Trump (and his nationalist policies and supporters.)

Below this article of Brandon Smith, in the comments, Brandon summarizes his position saying:
... the main point I have been making this entire time is that Trump will be a SCAPEGOAT for a financial crisis the bankers created.
Brandon observes (correctly, I believe) that the leftist, liberal, Democrat leaning Americans are already chomping at the bit to blame Trump and his "red neck, stupid" supporters for whatever ills befall America.

Brandon does not expect the collapse to be obvious, in its full "glory" to the average person, right away. He anticipates that it will take perhaps six months for a collapse of the magnitude that's coming to be obvious to the general public.

Brandon writes of the pending economic collapse:

The Final Stage Of Economic Collapse

Economic collapse is a process, not a singular event; stock markets play only a minor part in this process. ...

I predict first that central banks around the globe will further cut stimulus measures and that the Fed is now guaranteed to raise interest rates, probably in December before Trump even enters the White House. I also believe that the process of initiating a market crisis will take approximately six months to become widely visible to the public. As a consequence of the Fed pulling the plug on markets, I predict Trump and the Fed will enter into open hostilities against each other, which will erode international faith in the U.S. dollar as the world reserve currency.
Six days ago now, in the post Done, conceded and acknowledged: 45th US president Donald Trump -- Post #78 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94417-Done-conceded-and-acknowledged-45th-US-president-Donald-Trump-The-Sequels...&p=1113115&viewfull=1#post1113115), I wrote, consistent with Brandon Smith's above forecasts that he posted a day ago now:

A key distinction between what I am expecting, and the various sites I read are expecting, might become visible to us all, fairly soon.

If the economic and monetary collapse begins, as viewed by the ordinary person, within the next few months, then it will be easy for Trump to blame the past administration for the failures, and to gain support as the leader who can fix these long standing problems. That's what I an expecting.

If however the collapse begins, as viewed by the ordinary person, some months after Trump takes office, in apparent response to his initial changes to the government and its policies, then it will be easy for the elite bastards to blame the collapse on Trump, and he is likely slotted to go down in history as a failure, in the way that US President Hoover was, before FDR became US President in 1933.
My conclusion, consistent with Brandon Smith's conclusion: the coming economic collapse will be Yuuuge (Trump's New York pronounciation of "huge"), it's coming, and some signs will be visible within a few weeks to the observant, but it will be several months into 2017 before the collapse is obvious to the average person.

[onawah]

The Election: Of Hate, Grief, and a New Story
Charles Eisenstein
Posted on Nov 10, 2016 http://charleseisenstein.net/hategriefandanewstory/

THIS ARTICLE NAILS IT, IMHO.


Normal is coming unhinged. For the last eight years it has been possible for most people (at least in the relatively privileged classes) to believe that society is sound, that the system, though creaky, basically works, and that the progressive deterioration of everything from ecology to economy is a temporary deviation from the evolutionary imperative of progress.

A Clinton Presidency would have offered four more years of that pretense. A woman President following a black President would have meant to many that things are getting better. It would have obscured the reality of continued neoliberal economics, imperial wars, and resource extraction behind a veil of faux-progressive feminism. Now that we have, in the words of my friend Kelly Brogan, rejected a wolf in sheep’s clothing in favor of a wolf in wolf’s clothing, that illusion will be impossible to maintain.

The wolf, Donald Trump (and I’m not sure he’d be offended by that moniker) will not provide the usual sugarcoating on the poison pills the policy elites have foisted on us for the last forty years. The prison-industrial complex, the endless wars, the surveillance state, the pipelines, the nuclear weapons expansion were easier for liberals to swallow when they came with a dose, albeit grudging, of LGBTQ rights under an African-American President.

I am willing to suspend my judgement of Trump and (very skeptically) hold the possibility that he will disrupt the elite policy consensus of free trade and military confrontation – major themes of his campaign. One might always hope for miracles. However, because he apparently lacks any robust political ideology of his own, it is more likely that he will fill his cabinet with neocon war hawks, Wall Street insiders, and corporate reavers, trampling the wellbeing of the working class whites who elected him while providing them their own sugar-coating of social conservatism.

The social and environmental horrors likely to be committed under President Trump are likely to incite massive civil disobedience and possibly disorder. For Clinton supporters, many of whom were halfhearted to begin with, the Trump administration could mark the end of their loyalty to our present institutions of government. For Trump supporters, the initial celebration will collide with gritty reality when Trump proves as unable or unwilling as his predecessors to challenge the entrenched systems that continually degrade their lives: global finance capital, the deep state, and their programming ideologies. Add to this the likelihood of a major economic crisis, and the public’s frayed loyalty to the existing system could snap.

We are entering a time of great uncertainty. Institutions so enduring as to seem identical to reality itself may lose their legitimacy and dissolve. It may seem that the world is falling apart. For many, that process started on election night, when Trump’s victory provoked incredulity, shock, even vertigo. “I can’t believe this is happening!”

At such moments, it is a normal response to find someone to blame, as if identifying fault could restore the lost normality, and to lash out in anger. Hate and blame are convenient ways of making meaning out of a bewildering situation. Anyone who disputes the blame narrative may receive more hostility than the opponents themselves, as in wartime when pacifists are more reviled than the enemy.

Racism and misogyny are devastatingly real in this country, but to blame bigotry and sexism for voters’ repudiation of the Establishment is to deny the validity of their deep sense of betrayal and alienation. The vast majority of Trump voters were expressing extreme dissatisfaction with the system in the way most readily available to them.
(See here:http://paulkingsnorth.net/2016/11/07/the-revolutionary-moment/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/10/the-big-split/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-rejection-of-wall-streets-globalization-project-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead/
here:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/revenge_of_the_deplorables_20161109
Millions of Obama voters voted for Trump (six states who went for Obama twice switched to Trump). Did they suddenly become racists in the last four years? The blame-the-racists (the fools, the yokels…) narrative generates a clear demarcation between good (us) and evil (them), but it does violence to the truth. It also obscures an important root of racism – anger displaced away from an oppressive system and its elites and onto other victims of that system. Finally, it employs the same dehumanization of the other that is the essence of racism and the precondition for war. Such is the cost of preserving a dying story. That is one reason why paroxysms of violence so often accompany a culture-defining story’s demise.

The dissolution of the old order that is now officially in progress is going to intensify. That presents a tremendous opportunity and danger, because when normal falls apart the ensuing vacuum draws in formerly unthinkable ideas from the margins. Unthinkable ideas range from rounding up the Muslims in concentration camps, to dismantling the military-industrial complex and closing down overseas military bases. They range from nationwide stop-and-frisk to replacing criminal punishment with restorative justice. Anything becomes possible with the collapse of dominant institutions. When the animating force behind these new ideas is hate or fear, all manner of fascistic and totalitarian nightmares can ensue, whether enacted by existing powers or those that arise in revolution against them.

That is why, as we enter a period of intensifying disorder, it is important to introduce a different kind of force to animate the structures that might appear after the old ones crumble. I would call it love if it weren’t for the risk of triggering your New Age bull**** detector, and besides, how does one practically bring love into the world in the realm of politics? So let’s start with empathy. Politically, empathy is akin to solidarity, born of the understanding that we are all in this together. In what together? For starters, we are in the uncertainty together.

We are exiting an old story that explained to us the way of the world and our place in it. Some may cling to it all the more desperately as it dissolves, looking perhaps to Donald Trump to restore it, but their savior has not the power to bring back the dead. Neither would Clinton have been able to preserve America as we’d known it for too much longer. We as a society are entering a space between stories, in which everything that had seemed so real, true, right, and permanent comes into doubt. For a while, segments of society have remained insulated from this breakdown (whether by fortune, talent, or privilege), living in a bubble as the containing economic and ecological systems deteriorate. But not for much longer. Not even the elites are immune to this doubt. They grasp at straws of past glories and obsolete strategies; they create perfunctory and unconvincing shibboleths (Putin!), wandering aimlessly from “doctrine” to “doctrine” – and they have no idea what to do. Their haplessness and half-heartedness was plain to see in this election, their disbelief in their own propaganda, their cynicism. When even the custodians of the story no longer believe the story, you know its days are numbered. It is a shell with no engine, running on habit and momentum.

We are entering a space between stories. After various retrograde versions of a new story rise and fall and we enter a period of true unknowing, an authentic next story will emerge. What would it take for it to embody love, compassion, and interbeing? I see its lineaments in those marginal structures and practices that we call holistic, alternative, regenerative, and restorative. All of them source from empathy, the result of the compassionate inquiry: What is it like to be you?

It is time now to bring this question and the empathy it arouses into our political discourse as a new animating force. If you are appalled at the election outcome and feel the call of hate, perhaps try asking yourself, “What is it like to be a Trump supporter?” Ask it not with a patronizing condescension, but for real, looking underneath the caricature of misogynist and bigot to find the real person.

Even if the person you face IS a misogynist or bigot, ask, “Is this who they are, really?” Ask what confluence of circumstances, social, economic, and biographical, may have brought them there. You may still not know how to engage them, but at least you will not be on the warpath automatically. We hate what we fear, and we fear what we do not know. So let’s stop making our opponents invisible behind a caricature of evil.

We’ve got to stop acting out hate. I see no less of it in the liberal media than I do in the right-wing. It is just better disguised, hiding beneath pseudo-psychological epithets and dehumanizing ideological labels. Exercising it, we create more of it. What is beneath the hate? My acupuncturist Sarah Fields wrote to me, “Hate is just a bodyguard for grief. When people lose the hate, they are forced to deal with the pain beneath.”

I think the pain beneath is fundamentally the same pain that animates misogyny and racism – hate in a different form. Please stop thinking you are better than these people! We are all victims of the same world-dominating machine, suffering different mutations of the same wound of separation. Something hurts in there. We live in a civilization that has robbed nearly all of us of deep community, intimate connection with nature, unconditional love, freedom to explore the kingdom of childhood, and so much more. The acute trauma endured by the incarcerated, the abused, the raped, the trafficked, the starved, the murdered, and the dispossessed does not exempt the perpetrators. They feel it in mirror image, adding damage to their souls atop the damage that compels them to violence. Thus it is that suicide is the leading cause of death in the U.S. military. Thus it is that addiction is rampant among the police. Thus it is that depression is epidemic in the upper middle class. We are all in this together.

Something hurts in there. Can you feel it? We are all in this together. One earth, one tribe, one people.

We have entertained teachings like these long enough in our spiritual retreats, meditations, and prayers. Can we take them now into the political world and create an eye of compassion inside the political hate vortex? It is time to do it, time to up our game. It is time to stop feeding hate. Next time you post on line, check your words to see if they smuggle in some form of hate: dehumanization, snark, belittling, derision.., some invitation to us versus them. Notice how it feels kind of good to do that, like getting a fix. And notice what hurts underneath, and how it doesn’t feel good, not really. Maybe it is time to stop.

This does not mean to withdraw from political conversation, but to rewrite its vocabulary. It is to speak hard truths with love. It is to offer acute political analysis that doesn’t carry the implicit message of “Aren’t those people horrible?” Such analysis is rare. Usually, those evangelizing compassion do not write about politics, and sometimes they veer into passivity. We need to confront an unjust, ecocidal system. Each time we do we will receive an invitation to give in to the dark side and hate “the deplorables.” We must not shy away from those confrontations. Instead, we can engage them empowered by the inner mantra that my friend Pancho Ramos-Stierle uses in confrontations with his jailers: “Brother, your soul is too beautiful to be doing this work.” If we can stare hate in the face and never waver from that knowledge, we will access inexhaustible tools of creative engagement, and hold a compelling invitation to the haters to fulfill their beauty.

[lastlegs]

This is a very elegant and much needed post here. I rarely post anymore and I am very disappointed in much of the tone of this site lately. But I stay and I read because I am committed to the purpose of this site and its potential.

I express my deep appreciation for the time and thought you have put into this and the wisdom of its synthesis. I intend to print it out and give it away as much as possible.

[3(C)+me]

The Election: Of Hate, Grief, and a New Story
Charles Eisenstein
Posted on Nov 10, 2016 http://charleseisenstein.net/hategriefandanewstory/

THIS ARTICLE NAILS IT, IMHO.


Normal is coming unhinged. For the last eight years it has been possible for most people (at least in the relatively privileged classes) to believe that society is sound, that the system, though creaky, basically works, and that the progressive deterioration of everything from ecology to economy is a temporary deviation from the evolutionary imperative of progress.

A Clinton Presidency would have offered four more years of that pretense. A woman President following a black President would have meant to many that things are getting better. It would have obscured the reality of continued neoliberal economics, imperial wars, and resource extraction behind a veil of faux-progressive feminism. Now that we have, in the words of my friend Kelly Brogan, rejected a wolf in sheep’s clothing in favor of a wolf in wolf’s clothing, that illusion will be impossible to maintain.

The wolf, Donald Trump (and I’m not sure he’d be offended by that moniker) will not provide the usual sugarcoating on the poison pills the policy elites have foisted on us for the last forty years. The prison-industrial complex, the endless wars, the surveillance state, the pipelines, the nuclear weapons expansion were easier for liberals to swallow when they came with a dose, albeit grudging, of LGBTQ rights under an African-American President.

I am willing to suspend my judgement of Trump and (very skeptically) hold the possibility that he will disrupt the elite policy consensus of free trade and military confrontation – major themes of his campaign. One might always hope for miracles. However, because he apparently lacks any robust political ideology of his own, it is more likely that he will fill his cabinet with neocon war hawks, Wall Street insiders, and corporate reavers, trampling the wellbeing of the working class whites who elected him while providing them their own sugar-coating of social conservatism.

The social and environmental horrors likely to be committed under President Trump are likely to incite massive civil disobedience and possibly disorder. For Clinton supporters, many of whom were halfhearted to begin with, the Trump administration could mark the end of their loyalty to our present institutions of government. For Trump supporters, the initial celebration will collide with gritty reality when Trump proves as unable or unwilling as his predecessors to challenge the entrenched systems that continually degrade their lives: global finance capital, the deep state, and their programming ideologies. Add to this the likelihood of a major economic crisis, and the public’s frayed loyalty to the existing system could snap.

We are entering a time of great uncertainty. Institutions so enduring as to seem identical to reality itself may lose their legitimacy and dissolve. It may seem that the world is falling apart. For many, that process started on election night, when Trump’s victory provoked incredulity, shock, even vertigo. “I can’t believe this is happening!”

At such moments, it is a normal response to find someone to blame, as if identifying fault could restore the lost normality, and to lash out in anger. Hate and blame are convenient ways of making meaning out of a bewildering situation. Anyone who disputes the blame narrative may receive more hostility than the opponents themselves, as in wartime when pacifists are more reviled than the enemy.

Racism and misogyny are devastatingly real in this country, but to blame bigotry and sexism for voters’ repudiation of the Establishment is to deny the validity of their deep sense of betrayal and alienation. The vast majority of Trump voters were expressing extreme dissatisfaction with the system in the way most readily available to them.
(See here:http://paulkingsnorth.net/2016/11/07/the-revolutionary-moment/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/10/the-big-split/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-rejection-of-wall-streets-globalization-project-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead/
here:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/revenge_of_the_deplorables_20161109
Millions of Obama voters voted for Trump (six states who went for Obama twice switched to Trump). Did they suddenly become racists in the last four years? The blame-the-racists (the fools, the yokels…) narrative generates a clear demarcation between good (us) and evil (them), but it does violence to the truth. It also obscures an important root of racism – anger displaced away from an oppressive system and its elites and onto other victims of that system. Finally, it employs the same dehumanization of the other that is the essence of racism and the precondition for war. Such is the cost of preserving a dying story. That is one reason why paroxysms of violence so often accompany a culture-defining story’s demise.

The dissolution of the old order that is now officially in progress is going to intensify. That presents a tremendous opportunity and danger, because when normal falls apart the ensuing vacuum draws in formerly unthinkable ideas from the margins. Unthinkable ideas range from rounding up the Muslims in concentration camps, to dismantling the military-industrial complex and closing down overseas military bases. They range from nationwide stop-and-frisk to replacing criminal punishment with restorative justice. Anything becomes possible with the collapse of dominant institutions. When the animating force behind these new ideas is hate or fear, all manner of fascistic and totalitarian nightmares can ensue, whether enacted by existing powers or those that arise in revolution against them.

That is why, as we enter a period of intensifying disorder, it is important to introduce a different kind of force to animate the structures that might appear after the old ones crumble. I would call it love if it weren’t for the risk of triggering your New Age bull**** detector, and besides, how does one practically bring love into the world in the realm of politics? So let’s start with empathy. Politically, empathy is akin to solidarity, born of the understanding that we are all in this together. In what together? For starters, we are in the uncertainty together.

We are exiting an old story that explained to us the way of the world and our place in it. Some may cling to it all the more desperately as it dissolves, looking perhaps to Donald Trump to restore it, but their savior has not the power to bring back the dead. Neither would Clinton have been able to preserve America as we’d known it for too much longer. We as a society are entering a space between stories, in which everything that had seemed so real, true, right, and permanent comes into doubt. For a while, segments of society have remained insulated from this breakdown (whether by fortune, talent, or privilege), living in a bubble as the containing economic and ecological systems deteriorate. But not for much longer. Not even the elites are immune to this doubt. They grasp at straws of past glories and obsolete strategies; they create perfunctory and unconvincing shibboleths (Putin!), wandering aimlessly from “doctrine” to “doctrine” – and they have no idea what to do. Their haplessness and half-heartedness was plain to see in this election, their disbelief in their own propaganda, their cynicism. When even the custodians of the story no longer believe the story, you know its days are numbered. It is a shell with no engine, running on habit and momentum.

We are entering a space between stories. After various retrograde versions of a new story rise and fall and we enter a period of true unknowing, an authentic next story will emerge. What would it take for it to embody love, compassion, and interbeing? I see its lineaments in those marginal structures and practices that we call holistic, alternative, regenerative, and restorative. All of them source from empathy, the result of the compassionate inquiry: What is it like to be you?

It is time now to bring this question and the empathy it arouses into our political discourse as a new animating force. If you are appalled at the election outcome and feel the call of hate, perhaps try asking yourself, “What is it like to be a Trump supporter?” Ask it not with a patronizing condescension, but for real, looking underneath the caricature of misogynist and bigot to find the real person.

Even if the person you face IS a misogynist or bigot, ask, “Is this who they are, really?” Ask what confluence of circumstances, social, economic, and biographical, may have brought them there. You may still not know how to engage them, but at least you will not be on the warpath automatically. We hate what we fear, and we fear what we do not know. So let’s stop making our opponents invisible behind a caricature of evil.

We’ve got to stop acting out hate. I see no less of it in the liberal media than I do in the right-wing. It is just better disguised, hiding beneath pseudo-psychological epithets and dehumanizing ideological labels. Exercising it, we create more of it. What is beneath the hate? My acupuncturist Sarah Fields wrote to me, “Hate is just a bodyguard for grief. When people lose the hate, they are forced to deal with the pain beneath.”

I think the pain beneath is fundamentally the same pain that animates misogyny and racism – hate in a different form. Please stop thinking you are better than these people! We are all victims of the same world-dominating machine, suffering different mutations of the same wound of separation. Something hurts in there. We live in a civilization that has robbed nearly all of us of deep community, intimate connection with nature, unconditional love, freedom to explore the kingdom of childhood, and so much more. The acute trauma endured by the incarcerated, the abused, the raped, the trafficked, the starved, the murdered, and the dispossessed does not exempt the perpetrators. They feel it in mirror image, adding damage to their souls atop the damage that compels them to violence. Thus it is that suicide is the leading cause of death in the U.S. military. Thus it is that addiction is rampant among the police. Thus it is that depression is epidemic in the upper middle class. We are all in this together.

Something hurts in there. Can you feel it? We are all in this together. One earth, one tribe, one people.

We have entertained teachings like these long enough in our spiritual retreats, meditations, and prayers. Can we take them now into the political world and create an eye of compassion inside the political hate vortex? It is time to do it, time to up our game. It is time to stop feeding hate. Next time you post on line, check your words to see if they smuggle in some form of hate: dehumanization, snark, belittling, derision.., some invitation to us versus them. Notice how it feels kind of good to do that, like getting a fix. And notice what hurts underneath, and how it doesn’t feel good, not really. Maybe it is time to stop.

This does not mean to withdraw from political conversation, but to rewrite its vocabulary. It is to speak hard truths with love. It is to offer acute political analysis that doesn’t carry the implicit message of “Aren’t those people horrible?” Such analysis is rare. Usually, those evangelizing compassion do not write about politics, and sometimes they veer into passivity. We need to confront an unjust, ecocidal system. Each time we do we will receive an invitation to give in to the dark side and hate “the deplorables.” We must not shy away from those confrontations. Instead, we can engage them empowered by the inner mantra that my friend Pancho Ramos-Stierle uses in confrontations with his jailers: “Brother, your soul is too beautiful to be doing this work.” If we can stare hate in the face and never waver from that knowledge, we will access inexhaustible tools of creative engagement, and hold a compelling invitation to the haters to fulfill their beauty.

Wow wow wow
Totally agree, thanks for posting
The best thing I read all morning.

[lastlegs]

The Election: Of Hate, Grief, and a New Story
Charles Eisenstein
Posted on Nov 10, 2016 http://charleseisenstein.net/hategriefandanewstory/

THIS ARTICLE NAILS IT, IMHO.


Normal is coming unhinged. For the last eight years it has been possible for most people (at least in the relatively privileged classes) to believe that society is sound, that the system, though creaky, basically works, and that the progressive deterioration of everything from ecology to economy is a temporary deviation from the evolutionary imperative of progress.

A Clinton Presidency would have offered four more years of that pretense. A woman President following a black President would have meant to many that things are getting better. It would have obscured the reality of continued neoliberal economics, imperial wars, and resource extraction behind a veil of faux-progressive feminism. Now that we have, in the words of my friend Kelly Brogan, rejected a wolf in sheep’s clothing in favor of a wolf in wolf’s clothing, that illusion will be impossible to maintain.

The wolf, Donald Trump (and I’m not sure he’d be offended by that moniker) will not provide the usual sugarcoating on the poison pills the policy elites have foisted on us for the last forty years. The prison-industrial complex, the endless wars, the surveillance state, the pipelines, the nuclear weapons expansion were easier for liberals to swallow when they came with a dose, albeit grudging, of LGBTQ rights under an African-American President.

I am willing to suspend my judgement of Trump and (very skeptically) hold the possibility that he will disrupt the elite policy consensus of free trade and military confrontation – major themes of his campaign. One might always hope for miracles. However, because he apparently lacks any robust political ideology of his own, it is more likely that he will fill his cabinet with neocon war hawks, Wall Street insiders, and corporate reavers, trampling the wellbeing of the working class whites who elected him while providing them their own sugar-coating of social conservatism.

The social and environmental horrors likely to be committed under President Trump are likely to incite massive civil disobedience and possibly disorder. For Clinton supporters, many of whom were halfhearted to begin with, the Trump administration could mark the end of their loyalty to our present institutions of government. For Trump supporters, the initial celebration will collide with gritty reality when Trump proves as unable or unwilling as his predecessors to challenge the entrenched systems that continually degrade their lives: global finance capital, the deep state, and their programming ideologies. Add to this the likelihood of a major economic crisis, and the public’s frayed loyalty to the existing system could snap.

We are entering a time of great uncertainty. Institutions so enduring as to seem identical to reality itself may lose their legitimacy and dissolve. It may seem that the world is falling apart. For many, that process started on election night, when Trump’s victory provoked incredulity, shock, even vertigo. “I can’t believe this is happening!”

At such moments, it is a normal response to find someone to blame, as if identifying fault could restore the lost normality, and to lash out in anger. Hate and blame are convenient ways of making meaning out of a bewildering situation. Anyone who disputes the blame narrative may receive more hostility than the opponents themselves, as in wartime when pacifists are more reviled than the enemy.

Racism and misogyny are devastatingly real in this country, but to blame bigotry and sexism for voters’ repudiation of the Establishment is to deny the validity of their deep sense of betrayal and alienation. The vast majority of Trump voters were expressing extreme dissatisfaction with the system in the way most readily available to them.
(See here:http://paulkingsnorth.net/2016/11/07/the-revolutionary-moment/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/10/the-big-split/
here:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-rejection-of-wall-streets-globalization-project-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead/
here:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/revenge_of_the_deplorables_20161109
Millions of Obama voters voted for Trump (six states who went for Obama twice switched to Trump). Did they suddenly become racists in the last four years? The blame-the-racists (the fools, the yokels…) narrative generates a clear demarcation between good (us) and evil (them), but it does violence to the truth. It also obscures an important root of racism – anger displaced away from an oppressive system and its elites and onto other victims of that system. Finally, it employs the same dehumanization of the other that is the essence of racism and the precondition for war. Such is the cost of preserving a dying story. That is one reason why paroxysms of violence so often accompany a culture-defining story’s demise.

The dissolution of the old order that is now officially in progress is going to intensify. That presents a tremendous opportunity and danger, because when normal falls apart the ensuing vacuum draws in formerly unthinkable ideas from the margins. Unthinkable ideas range from rounding up the Muslims in concentration camps, to dismantling the military-industrial complex and closing down overseas military bases. They range from nationwide stop-and-frisk to replacing criminal punishment with restorative justice. Anything becomes possible with the collapse of dominant institutions. When the animating force behind these new ideas is hate or fear, all manner of fascistic and totalitarian nightmares can ensue, whether enacted by existing powers or those that arise in revolution against them.

That is why, as we enter a period of intensifying disorder, it is important to introduce a different kind of force to animate the structures that might appear after the old ones crumble. I would call it love if it weren’t for the risk of triggering your New Age bull**** detector, and besides, how does one practically bring love into the world in the realm of politics? So let’s start with empathy. Politically, empathy is akin to solidarity, born of the understanding that we are all in this together. In what together? For starters, we are in the uncertainty together.

We are exiting an old story that explained to us the way of the world and our place in it. Some may cling to it all the more desperately as it dissolves, looking perhaps to Donald Trump to restore it, but their savior has not the power to bring back the dead. Neither would Clinton have been able to preserve America as we’d known it for too much longer. We as a society are entering a space between stories, in which everything that had seemed so real, true, right, and permanent comes into doubt. For a while, segments of society have remained insulated from this breakdown (whether by fortune, talent, or privilege), living in a bubble as the containing economic and ecological systems deteriorate. But not for much longer. Not even the elites are immune to this doubt. They grasp at straws of past glories and obsolete strategies; they create perfunctory and unconvincing shibboleths (Putin!), wandering aimlessly from “doctrine” to “doctrine” – and they have no idea what to do. Their haplessness and half-heartedness was plain to see in this election, their disbelief in their own propaganda, their cynicism. When even the custodians of the story no longer believe the story, you know its days are numbered. It is a shell with no engine, running on habit and momentum.

We are entering a space between stories. After various retrograde versions of a new story rise and fall and we enter a period of true unknowing, an authentic next story will emerge. What would it take for it to embody love, compassion, and interbeing? I see its lineaments in those marginal structures and practices that we call holistic, alternative, regenerative, and restorative. All of them source from empathy, the result of the compassionate inquiry: What is it like to be you?

It is time now to bring this question and the empathy it arouses into our political discourse as a new animating force. If you are appalled at the election outcome and feel the call of hate, perhaps try asking yourself, “What is it like to be a Trump supporter?” Ask it not with a patronizing condescension, but for real, looking underneath the caricature of misogynist and bigot to find the real person.

Even if the person you face IS a misogynist or bigot, ask, “Is this who they are, really?” Ask what confluence of circumstances, social, economic, and biographical, may have brought them there. You may still not know how to engage them, but at least you will not be on the warpath automatically. We hate what we fear, and we fear what we do not know. So let’s stop making our opponents invisible behind a caricature of evil.

We’ve got to stop acting out hate. I see no less of it in the liberal media than I do in the right-wing. It is just better disguised, hiding beneath pseudo-psychological epithets and dehumanizing ideological labels. Exercising it, we create more of it. What is beneath the hate? My acupuncturist Sarah Fields wrote to me, “Hate is just a bodyguard for grief. When people lose the hate, they are forced to deal with the pain beneath.”

I think the pain beneath is fundamentally the same pain that animates misogyny and racism – hate in a different form. Please stop thinking you are better than these people! We are all victims of the same world-dominating machine, suffering different mutations of the same wound of separation. Something hurts in there. We live in a civilization that has robbed nearly all of us of deep community, intimate connection with nature, unconditional love, freedom to explore the kingdom of childhood, and so much more. The acute trauma endured by the incarcerated, the abused, the raped, the trafficked, the starved, the murdered, and the dispossessed does not exempt the perpetrators. They feel it in mirror image, adding damage to their souls atop the damage that compels them to violence. Thus it is that suicide is the leading cause of death in the U.S. military. Thus it is that addiction is rampant among the police. Thus it is that depression is epidemic in the upper middle class. We are all in this together.

Something hurts in there. Can you feel it? We are all in this together. One earth, one tribe, one people.

We have entertained teachings like these long enough in our spiritual retreats, meditations, and prayers. Can we take them now into the political world and create an eye of compassion inside the political hate vortex? It is time to do it, time to up our game. It is time to stop feeding hate. Next time you post on line, check your words to see if they smuggle in some form of hate: dehumanization, snark, belittling, derision.., some invitation to us versus them. Notice how it feels kind of good to do that, like getting a fix. And notice what hurts underneath, and how it doesn’t feel good, not really. Maybe it is time to stop.

This does not mean to withdraw from political conversation, but to rewrite its vocabulary. It is to speak hard truths with love. It is to offer acute political analysis that doesn’t carry the implicit message of “Aren’t those people horrible?” Such analysis is rare. Usually, those evangelizing compassion do not write about politics, and sometimes they veer into passivity. We need to confront an unjust, ecocidal system. Each time we do we will receive an invitation to give in to the dark side and hate “the deplorables.” We must not shy away from those confrontations. Instead, we can engage them empowered by the inner mantra that my friend Pancho Ramos-Stierle uses in confrontations with his jailers: “Brother, your soul is too beautiful to be doing this work.” If we can stare hate in the face and never waver from that knowledge, we will access inexhaustible tools of creative engagement, and hold a compelling invitation to the haters to fulfill their beauty.

I am very sorry to see mystic whiskey go and because I basically come here to read and keep watching the flow, I did not know he had gone. At the same time, I have just spent two hours reading about Charles Eisenstein who I would have never found without Onawah's link and posting. I am still smiling with aha's and thank God's. This is the reason I stay and this is the reason I still click on some people's post's because they often give me something to reflect on. Again my deep appreciation onawah.
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