Do we need to change the seasons?

[Relayer]

G'Day all...
I live in a suburb west of Melbourne here in Australia.
This year mainly, I have noticed the weather to be much colder and it seems that winter has lasted a lot longer than usual.
Its now the start of November, which is the last month of spring here south of the equator, yet it feels like its just the start of that season.
Just yesterday I noticed several birds gathering materials for their nests. Don't they do that in early spring?
It has been mainly cold here the last few months, where if lucky, we had three days of decent weather to the point I couldn't wear my jacket for it being too warm.
We've had many a day of excessively high winds, and sometimes with heavy rain.
Never in my 57 years have I encountered the weather as it has been this year. Usually at this time we are sweltering. But nearly every single night it gets cold enough I need to turn on my electric blanket, as if it were still winter.
Yesterday was Melbourne Cup day, and as far back as I can remember the day was never spoiled by rain. Admittedly it didn't rain much, but it did rain. By rights it should have been a nice hot sunny day.
I really think that we need to change the seasons. Shift them a month or two ahead.
i.e. Winter: Instead of starting in June, it should start in July or August. Spring to start in October or November etc...
I would very much welcome your views on this matter, especially the people living north of the equator.
Regards,
John
Relayer

[MorningFox]

Yes. This year in England the leaves have only just started falling off the trees within the last few days. About a month late...

[Flash]

Same here, never have I encountered such weather. However, ours is the reverse of yours. We literally had 6 months of summer. Warm, often hot. Our summer was usually no more than 2 months. This year, it started in May and just ended a week ago - we are now in fall with regular fall weather.

It is as if the earth had tilted a bit. Or changed position in space. Or the jet stream has change path (from the north pole, going much more south, giving Americans more winter while bypassing us).

Anyhow, we will see if it hold like this for a few years. There were videos of Inuits saying that the sun did not raise at the same place, that I saw a few years ago. Maybe they are right.


G'Day all...
I live in a suburb west of Melbourne here in Australia.
This year mainly, I have noticed the weather to be much colder and it seems that winter has lasted a lot longer than usual.
Its now the start of November, which is the last month of spring here south of the equator, yet it feels like its just the start of that season.
Just yesterday I noticed several birds gathering materials for their nests. Don't they do that in early spring?
It has been mainly cold here the last few months, where if lucky, we had three days of decent weather to the point I couldn't wear my jacket for it being too warm.
We've had many a day of excessively high winds, and sometimes with heavy rain.
Never in my 57 years have I encountered the weather as it has been this year. Usually at this time we are sweltering. But nearly every single night it gets cold enough I need to turn on my electric blanket, as if it were still winter.
Yesterday was Melbourne Cup day, and as far back as I can remember the day was never spoiled by rain. Admittedly it didn't rain much, but it did rain. By rights it should have been a nice hot sunny day.
I really think that we need to change the seasons. Shift them a month or two ahead.
i.e. Winter: Instead of starting in June, it should start in July or August. Spring to start in October or November etc...
I would very much welcome your views on this matter, especially the people living north of the equator.
Regards,
John
Relayer

[Ewan]

UK. I've been commenting for a number of years running now that the leaves are staying on the trees longer and longer. 2nd Nov and there are a few trees just turning but still with full loads. Others are halfway through shedding. There's also been a real cold snap these last few days, with full sunshine you can only feel a little heat from the sun. No frost yet to my knowledge, but the seasons do seem to be drifting.

5 months from now we may see signs of an early spring, towards the end of march, then it will likely get much colder again almost into May. That seems to have been the pattern these last couple of years anyway.

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Same here, never have I encountered such weather. However, ours is the reverse of yours. We literally had 6 months of summer. Warm, often hot. Our summer was usually no more than 2 months. This year, it started in May and just ended a week ago - we are now in fall with regular fall weather.

It is as if the earth had tilted a bit. Or changed position in space. Or the jet stream has change path (from the north pole, going much more south, giving Americans more winter while bypassing us).

Anyhow, we will see if it hold like this for a few years. There were videos of Inuits saying that the sun did not raise at the same place, that I saw a few years ago. Maybe they are right.


Interesting, you'd imagine they would have more reason than most to pay attention to the sun given their location

[TargeT]

I remember seasons... good times.

It's been a "Hair" warmer here near the equator, but still "perpetual summer" (as I've taken to referring it to) but either way, unless you see a 5-10 year pattern in weather; I wouldn't consider any of the above posts as abnormal... Our planets weather is anything but static and predictable.. "seasons" should be viewed the same way IMO.

[Flash]

Here an article about the Inuits contacting NASA for the earth shifting - I do not know how reliable is this article nor this website, but...


Global Climate Change: The Earth Has Shifted, Say Inuit Elders

Muneeb KaziApr 06, 2015 09:08 PM EDT

A new warning has come to NASA from the Inuits. They are warning that the change in climate is not due to global warming but rather, because of the Earth shifting a bit.


The Inuits are local people that live in the Arctic regions of Canada, the United States and Greenland. They are excellent weather forecasters and so were their ancestors. Presently they are warning NASA that the cause of change in weather, earthquakes etc, are not due to global warming as the world thinks. They also report that the position of sun, moon and stars have all changed causing changes in the temperature. This has also affected the wind and it is very difficult to predict the weather now and according to them predicting weather is necessary on Arctic.

They state that the earth has shifted or "wobbled". "Their sky has changed!"


The elders declare that the sun rises at a different position now, not where it used to previously. They also have longer daylight to hunt now, the sun is much higher than earlier, and it gets warmer much quickly. Other elders across the north also confirmed the same thing about the sky changing when interviewed.


They also alleged that the position of sun, moon and stars have all changed causing changes in the temperature. This has also affected the wind and it is very difficult to predict the weather now and according to them predicting weather is necessary on Arctic.

All the elders confirmed that the Earth has shifted, wobbled or tilted toward the North.
This information provided by the Inuit Elders has caused a great concern in the NASA scientists.
http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/5453/20150406/global-climate-change-the-earth-has-shifted-say-inuit-elders.htm

Another very interesting article describing how the Inuit evaluate changes in weather patterns;



Using skills passed down through generations, Inuit forecasters living in the Canadian Arctic look to the sky to tell by the way the wind scatters a cloud whether a storm is on the horizon or if it's safe to go on a hunt.

Thousands of miles away in a lab tucked in Colorado's Rocky Mountains, scientists take data measurements and use the latest computer models to predict weather. They are two practices serving the same purpose that come from disparate worlds.

But in the past 20 years, something has run amok with Inuit forecasting. Old weather signals don't seem to mean what they used to. The cloud that scatters could signal a storm that comes in an hour instead of a day.
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For years, researchers had heard reports of unpredictable weather coming in from Arctic communities. But the stories didn't seem to match up with the numbers. By scientific measurement, weather around the world appeared to be growing more persistent with less variation. The disparity left scientists scratching their heads, said Weatherhead.
.......

Weather has a special importance in Arctic environments, where a reliable forecast can mean the difference between life and death. There are members of the Inuit community who possess the skills to predict the weather, but that knowledge is dying off as both the culture and climate change, according to the scientists.



Statistical analysis of day-to-day temperatures at Baker Lake, Nunavut, showed that in May and June the persistence of temperature had recently declined, matching Inuit reports of greater unpredictability at that season. "People hadn't previously looked at persistence in this way," said CIRES fellow Roger Barry, also director of the World Data Center for Glaciology at the National Snow and Ice Data Center at CU-Boulder and a study co-author along with Gearheard.

What they found was a scientific story more in line with what people were witnessing on the ground. Weather along the Arctic latitudes was behaving more unpredictably than in other parts of the world.

"That's an incredibly important parameter to care about," said Weatherhead. "The way I try to describe it to some people is if we get an inch of rain out at my house in the month of July, I don't need to turn on the sprinklers. But if we get an inch of rain on July 1, and no rain after that, my lawn is dead.
http://www.colorado.edu/today/2010/04/07/traditional-inuit-knowledge-combines-science-shape-arctic-weather-insights

[joeecho]

Fall is falling normally in the Great Northwest. I did hear from a friend that lives near Pittsburgh that told me it was 77 degrees yesterday, certainly qualifies for an Indian summer.

[sijohn]

Hi All

I am in South West France , 50k NW of Toulouse , and have been here for 16 years.

This year winter was very soft not 10 frosts , spring started late and weather was very inconsistent , summer started 4 to 6 weeks later than normal , very dry , autumn is still arriving , temperature due to start dropping next week but still unseasonably warm

neighbours and locals all talking about the exceptional weather (lots of farmers) currently opinion is season 4 to 6 weeks out of sync

In the last few years we have experienced very strong wind and rain storms causing major exceptional damage in the region

Hope this helpful

Sijohn

[sdv]

Weather patterns do go through long cycles of several year, and that is normal. However, I think that seasons have moved in my lifetime. Perhaps it is false memory syndrome on my part, but summer and winter seem to be later by at least a month. I should dig up records and check for patterns ...
We have records for rainfall going back to 2001 for the valley where I am living. Analyses shows the cycles of dry and wet years, but overall there is a downward trend for rainfall. That may be part of a longer trend.

[Ewan]

Seasonal shifts, over a period of years, may be as cyclical as everything else seems to be. Could be died in with precession and solar minimums/maximums. Musing aloud.

[greybeard]

Last year into this year Nov-April the temperature here was on average less than 10c--that is 6 month of low temperature.
There was only ice on the road for several days--that was different too.
Spring was very late in coming this year. I suspect its part of a big cycle--nothing new.
This was going on before human arrived--ice cores prove that.--We may not help climate change but we are not the cause of it as far as I can see.

Chris

[Wind]

First snow here yesterday and now it feels like the beginning of winter here. Yet very few trees still have leaves which is not a common pattern, to see them with the snow I mean. Usually first snow comes here during mid or late November. Past few Novembers and Decembers have been only rainy and felt like autumn and cold winter conditions have arrived only in January and February. Before Aprils have been warmish, but during the past few years they have been cold and summers have been way more rainy. Thanks to increasing cosmic rays and cloud formations.

I think the likes of La Nina and El Nino are affecting the weather patterns. If the theories about the upcoming mini ice age are true and I suspect them to be, then we will be seeing more severe winters soon and colder summers. Some places and countries will continue to experience floods and droughts and who knows, maybe some dry areas will start to become lush again. Everything will get more intense and everything indeed in goes cycles.