Christian persecution around the world

[Sueanne47]

This is coming to all Christians in time, its the reason why Satan is now rife everywhere, and in America with Obama, God help us :

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[shadowstalker]

Not surprised but its not just Christians, this kind of thing has been going on for ages.

[Sueanne47]

What's going on globally lately though, is getting more intense....hence the no go areas in France, Sweden, UK, Germany, Burma, America etc.

[Clear Light]

What's going on globally lately though, is getting more intense....hence the no go areas in France, Sweden, UK, Germany, Burma, America etc.

Oh ! Say What ? Where ? Damn, I must have missed that, quick, now, where should I tell my parents not to go or to at least tell them to make sure to conceal their Christian-ness in case of its discovery in these seemingly "no-go" areas eh ? :facepalm:

[shadowstalker]

What's going on globally lately though, is getting more intense....hence the no go areas in France, Sweden, UK, Germany, Burma, America etc.

True but still not surprised, Just surprised that they only advertised Christians (but really not surprised) which is never the true fact, it's Christians, gays, blacks, whom ever don't believe what they do.
Just like when the Christians and Catholics did it to everyone else back in the day. and pretty much still do.
Why Christians think there the bomb in this is beyond me.
I wish they would get over it, to be quite honest. why they thinks they are the only one is beyond me.
I guess it's the type of glasses they have been wearing. they need a new prescription, as far as I am concerned.

Has it really been growing intense or is some of this propaganda?
Or is it the fact that we have the internet now, and finally catching up?
Or is it just something else to focus on for many folks because they are christian?
There is a very long list to think on.

Nobody is wearing a tattoo saying "I AM A CHRISTIAN"

A yes fox news great way to start the propaganda ball rollin'

[Sueanne47]

A Christian movement protesting in Luton UK :

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ISIS training camps in America :

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Homegrown Jihad, Terrorist camps in the USA :

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[greybeard]

There follows a bad taste joke.
Man walking in northern Ireland during the troubles.
All of a sudden a gun against the back of his head.
Muffled voice says " Which football team do you support?" ( Catholics tend to support Celtic, Protestants Rangers)
Man fearing what is going to happens says--"Neither, Im a Jew"
Muffled voice exclaims "Thanks be to Allah"

The Christian's were the great persecutors of on age--the Mongolian hordes of another.

So whats new!!!
Its just isolated groups now.
It will never be the case of all Christians or any other race-religion--persuasion. that is persecuted en mass, world wide.

Ch

[wondering]

Shadowstaker, Grouping all Christians as believing something is not true either. I was raised christian, and am somewhat still, although much broader in my thinking now, and I haven't thought I was "the bomb" since grade school. Picking up an idea and running with it just keeps the whole duality going. Jews have always had their share of prejudice, as have Muslims in the US, most of whom just want a better life for their families. Baptists, Pentecostals, Hindus, indigenous people.all have had hatred directed at them, on and on. It is up to us to let that go. Namaste! I love your reference to Fox news. They do seem to love keeping the edges sharp!!✌️️

[ghostrider]

The ptb have divided mankind into groups on every level... leading to one path , a cry for global unity, one religion, one economy, one government, one currency etc... the revival of the Roman empire... humans for the most part dont want self responsibility, that would require self control, its easier to have a god, saviour, king, idol , or some higher being that will punish the evil and reward the good ...look what giving away your power is doing to earth ... people are lost in illusion, and for over 389,000 years no one has overcame the damage that religion does...its a tool for division, control, war, and justifing the suffering of people who think differently than you... hence enslavement to mind control...

[Clear Light]

The ptb have divided mankind into groups on every level... leading to one path , a cry for global unity, one religion, one economy, one government, one currency etc... the revival of the Roman empire... humans for the most part dont want self responsibility, that would require self control, its easier to have a god, saviour, king, idol , or some higher being that will punish the evil and reward the good ...look what giving away your power is doing to earth ... people are lost in illusion, and for over 389,000 years no one has overcame the damage that religion does...its a tool for division, control, war, and justifing the suffering of people who think differently than you... hence enslavement to mind control...

Ah, or perhaps what is needed is some self-awareness eh ? :wink:

[ghostrider]

Understanding the energy or essence they feel is spirit, its creation, it moves through and around everything , people just have to put a name to it, and a material form ... one cannot place infinty in a box and give it rules... i just know as long as there is organized religion, there will be war, death, and suffering ...we cannot fill a cup that is already full ...notice when people speak of religion there is always heated arguments... it leads down the same path , anger, and minds closed, thinking stops...

[greybeard]

Understanding the energy or essence they feel is spirit, its creation, it moves through and around everything , people just have to put a name to it, and a material form ... one cannot place infinty in a box and give it rules... i just know as long as there is organized religion, there will be war, death, and suffering ...we cannot fill a cup that is already full ...notice when people speak of religion there is always heated arguments... it leads down the same path , anger, and minds closed, thinking stops...

Which is why Ive been posting on non-duality virtually every day for five or so years.
Even if there is only an intellectual understanding of this, it would lead to a vast reduction in any kind of violence, hatred and lack of compassion.
Who can hurt oneself--does one hand hurt the other?
All part of the same "body"

Chris

I have to clarify.
Without the support of others contributing--great videos and now 3000 guests viewing the thread (Enlightenment and related matters) every week--I would have given up long ago

Ch

[Deega]

What's going on globally lately though, is getting more intense....hence the no go areas in France, Sweden, UK, Germany, Burma, America etc.

IMO, I think that this has been planned from years ago, who's behind this?, think of the nation who would want to control the World, follow the money may help!, the Bible may also give hints!

[Clear Light]

Ah, I think however, it is worth mentioning there is a profound difference between the Exoteric (outer) Organised Religions and the Esoteric (inner) Religions ... and to "dismiss" ALL religions as being equal is a grave mistake eh ?

For example : The Muslims have the Sufis and the Christians have the Gnostics.

So while I may agree that it appears that most World Religions today are of the former type and could be said to be a form of "mind control", what I do feel is worth contending is that the latter type are more "true" to the original Progenitors of each of the Religions inasmuch as their "God" is found within the Heart (figuratively and literally) and is thus a more honest version of that Religion as there is no intermediary between Divinity and the Human "Soul" (for want of a better word) in the form of a Priest or suchlike.

Here's a pictorial representation of perhaps a more "inclusive" view of so-called "Religion" :


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[greybeard]

Something else I feel is worth mentioning.
Christ taught non-duality--"The Father and I are One"
Krishna--"I am in every heart

I cant quote other Avatars but every religion was founded on pure teaching, basically the same message and then distorted into separation--"We are the only ones that know--we got it right by inference every one else got it wrong and are going to hell"

Chris

[ghostrider]

Understanding reincarnation is a big step in solving so very many problems...

[shadowstalker]

Shadowstaker, Grouping all Christians as believing something is not true either. I was raised christian, and am somewhat still, although much broader in my thinking now, and I haven't thought I was "the bomb" since grade school. Picking up an idea and running with it just keeps the whole duality going. Jews have always had their share of prejudice, as have Muslims in the US, most of whom just want a better life for their families. Baptists, Pentecostals, Hindus, indigenous people.all have had hatred directed at them, on and on. It is up to us to let that go. Namaste! I love your reference to Fox news. They do seem to love keeping the edges sharp!!✌️️


:stop: I honestly don't know how you found my words to infer all.
I did have a short list there, didn't think I had to make it huge. :facepalm: :juggle::noidea:
I was stating that all right/left wing groups that start this crap be they religious or not always claim to be the victim when in most cases they are not.

Generally speaking all right/left wing self righteous groups are trained to believe they are or have been persecuted.
Generally speaking most right/left wing self righteous groups have actually committed the persecution.
Generally speaking some really have As I have stated earlier.
Generally speaking Most religious people keep there faith to themselves. As it is very personal to them. (and it's not due to any potential persecution)
Generally speaking Same goes for certain individuals..

I hope i don't need to make a list a list of religious individual friends (one of whom is Muslim) of different faith to prove my point. :grouphug:

[DeDukshyn]

Understanding the energy or essence they feel is spirit, its creation, it moves through and around everything , people just have to put a name to it, and a material form ... one cannot place infinty in a box and give it rules... i just know as long as there is organized religion, there will be war, death, and suffering ...we cannot fill a cup that is already full ...notice when people speak of religion there is always heated arguments... it leads down the same path , anger, and minds closed, thinking stops...

Which is why Ive been posting on non-duality virtually every day for five or so years.
Even if there is only an intellectual understanding of this, it would lead to a vast reduction in any kind of violence, hatred and lack of compassion.
Who can hurt oneself--does one hand hurt the other?
All part of the same "body"

Chris

I have to clarify.
Without the support of others contributing--great videos and now 3000 guests viewing the thread (Enlightenment and related matters) every week--I would have given up long ago

Ch

I have to support your non-duality, not only from a spiritual point of view but also from a practical one. One of the oldest and best working strategies of manipulation and conquer is the fail safe tactic of "Divide and Conquer". While some religions are incredibly rich hand powerful, they are not at the top of the pyramid, but the reactions and sentiments these religions create (groom) in their people are "used" by these other entities in various ways to allow them to maintain their control and succeed at their manipulations and plans. The "differences" that the various religions create within the minds of men, then become the lubricant for the "divide" aspect of "divide and conquer".

Let us hop over to what is happening in Syria right now to see this. Syria has both a good Christian and a good Muslim population. The USA is using extreme tactics to create a great rift between these religions in this country in their attempt to overthrow Assad; It is also used to place lies that create hate and divide within us over here - for those who may be of one of these religions. We have seen reports of "Christians" being targeted in Syria by "Muslim" groups, we have heard quite a lot of that - especially early on. Yet when I listen to the reports of the peace convoys that have recently spent some time in Syria, the tell a different story ... the tell of the obviousness of the use of propaganda tactics used by the US to divide the Muslims and Christians in Syria (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc-RmAVK8Pg), where normally these two groups get along fine without any issue at all, and all are considered equal as "Syrians". The peacekeepers tell of the strength of the bond as Syrians, far surpasses their religious differences. The Syrian government, when asked how many Christians does Syria have, responded with the total population; when questioned on how many muslims, they respond with the same answer. Their response to the oddity of the answers is "We will not participate in the divide and conquer strategies that try to utilize the religious differences within our people." -- their government understands this tactic well.

Now let's look at the impact on "Chrsitians" in say America ... Christians in America have been taught that all other religions were created by "satan" and blah blah blah ... they tend to see Islam as the "enemy" without even knowing a single muslim. They have fear, that their religion put inside them, of other religions. Now, when we hear the lies on TV of how "Muslims" are killing "Christians" in Syria, it not only attempts to create that rift within the people of Syria in attempt to weaken them with fear, anger and discontent for their fellow Syrians, it can also be used as a tool in say America to reinforce this mental divide between "muslims and Christians" - without any basis in any real experience. We all know that fearful people are easier to control and it should be obvious we are kept in an artificially induced state of fear - the "screens" make sure of this.

So unless one wants to actively participate in the divide and conquer strategies of those who want to control every aspect of your life, continue to keep us in an artificial state of fear, and ensure that all their plans pan out; one is best to not engage in such tactics. These engagements include even distributing youtube videos that have no other effect than to utilize that divide in one's mind put their by religion. When you spread these, you spread the fear, and the hate, the negative stereotypes, etc. When one spreads his words of such, one is doing the same. This is not a "muslim" tactic; religions and religious differences are "used" by the super-elite to get them what the want. If we want to claim to not be their sheep, we have to start acting like we are not their sheep - so far in this world, I see lots of people "pretending" to not be sheep and trying to poke "fun" at people they call "sheep" -- most of them don't have a clue ... it's just another meme with no real value anymore.

So back to "non-duality". Exercising "non-duality" (or it's little brother, "non multiplicity") isn't just a spiritual concept, it may well be the thing that gets humanity and the human project back on track; (some might even go as far to say it will be the only thing that has a chance to "saves us".)

It behooves us all to not be hypocrites and while saying we are not "sheep" to also not at the same time be obviously partaking in exactly what the "controllers" want you to partake in. "Mind your thoughts young Jedi!"

[greybeard]

Thanks DeDukshyn

I will give you a personal example.
I was baptized Catholic though not confirmed.
At the age of 5, first day in primary school the teacher asked each pupil in turn to give name and religion.
My turn I gave the information requested--there was a palpable silence--I was the only Catholic in the class.
I never had a friend in primary--never invited to birthday parties.

Funny thing is pre school I went with my parent to the local Catholic church--I lasted three minutes and was out the door.
Pictures of sacred heart Christ on a cross--If God could let that happen to his only son what could happen to me?
So that was the end of religion for me but I developed a love of God early on--dont know why.

Non-duality is free of any organization--hierarchy--no middle man--just me and God within--no separation--one without a second.

Namaste means "I greet the God within you" The same God within all.
Non duality is answering the question Who am I at my center?

Its very practical--I no longer have fear of others, I have the kind of attitude which sees me through each day without mind chatter, judging-blaming making an enemy of anything., I dont agree with--its not a naive way of being. and I dont give me a hard time.

Taken time but worth it.

Chris

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks DeDukshyn

I will give you a personal example.
I was baptized Catholic though not confirmed.
At the age of 5, first day in primary school the teacher asked each pupil in turn to give name and religion.
My turn I gave the information requested--there was a palpable silence--I was the only Catholic in the class.
I never had a friend in primary--never invited to birthday parties.

Funny thing is pre school I went with my parent to the local Catholic church--I lasted three minutes and was out the door.
Pictures of sacred heart Christ on a cross--If God could let that happen to his only son what could happen to me?
So that was the end of religion for me but I developed a love of God early on--dont know why.

Non-duality is free of any organization--hierarchy--no middle man--just me and God within--no separation--one without a second.

Namaste means "I greet the God within you" The same God within all.
Non duality is answering the question Who am I at my center?

Its very practical--I no longer have fear of others, I have the kind of attitude which sees me through each day without mind chatter, judging-blaming making an enemy of anything., I dont agree with--its not a naive way of being. and I dont give me a hard time.

Taken time but worth it.

Chris

Yes, that is what people who don't care for, or understand "true" spirituality, can gain ... it is really, in a sense, a much higher and more refined level of "practicality", that ensures personal freedom. One cannot participate in true personal freedom, without also participating in non-duality, and vice versa, if you seek one, you actually seek the other. The lack of recognition of this distinction is likely the strongest force keeping conscious duality in its place -- the oldest and ultimate, "divide and conquer" - whether placed there intentionally in our collective consciousness, or as a result of some other self reinforcing mechanism that we allow ourselves to be part of.

We are told that if we want "freedom" (non duality) we must fight for it (duality), and we actually believe such nonsense. LOL, isn't it just hilarious? Like George Carlin would have said ... "its like ****ing for virginity"

[Sojourner]

I don't feel much empathy in a thread that is about the people with the biggest target on their backs the the world, Christians that live in the ME.
I would advice the people in this thread to get informed and not be naive about what's going on, as it will only get worse as we get closer and closer to the psalms 83, Albert Pike world war, and eventually the final persecution of the revelation 6 worldwide beast government.
Christians are the most hated and persecuted group of people the world has ever known ever since the very day Christ was born when king Herod decreed The Massacre of Innocents (Matthew 2:16) and ordered every young male child killed in Bethlehem trying to kill the Messiah before he could start his ministry on this earth.
Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. (John 15:20)

God Bless all, Sojourner :heart:

[DeDukshyn]

I don't feel much empathy in a thread that is about the people with the biggest target on their backs the the world, Christians that live in the ME.
I would advice the people in this thread to get informed and not be naive about what's going on, as it will only get worse as we get closer and closer to the psalms 83, Albert Pike world war, and eventually the final persecution of the revelation 6 worldwide beast government.
Christians are the most hated and persecuted group of people the world has ever known ever since the very day Christ was born when king Herod decreed The Massacre of Innocents (Matthew 2:16) and ordered every young male child killed in Bethlehem trying to kill the Messiah before he could start his ministry on this earth.
Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. (John 15:20)

God Bless all, Sojourner :heart:

I empathize with any innocent person of any belief system persecuted for any reason. Greatly.
I have no empathy for those that proudly carry the divisions in their minds as justifications to carry out the will of those who use those divisions for their purposes of control and manipulation.

If that makes me "bad" in some peoples minds, then I will accept that humbly without adding energy to the division through justification for my actions. What people view of the world is created within their minds. What people distribute in texts and on screens has little value to me in comparison to my actually daily experiences. :) While someone may tell me that Christians have been the most persecuted group of all time, I have to say that is not my personal experience (at all in fact quite the very opposite where I am from), therefore I will not allow my thoughts, decisions and choices to revolve around what may not be true at all, and actually are in opposition with my first hand experience. What I know as my truth is what I experience; what I read (in any text) or watch on any screen is someone else's truth, even if I may be able to relate in someway. This is how I attain personal freedom, by living by my personal truths (experiences) which allow God to express through me. God cannot express through duality, nor through a text, nor can we expect him express himself in us, if we base that expectation on believing some truths outside ourselves, from whatever source. Even Jesus made it clear, that God, if to be experienced, has to be experienced from within ourselves. Not from a text, not from stories on the internet, or anything that is outside ourselves. This is very clear.

Allow me to wedge a huge distinction between being "empathetic" for the right reasons, and trying to "conjure" (yes as in "majik") empathy for a generalization that can be disputed. "Mind your thoughts, young Jedi" :)

Just my 2 cents :)

[Clear Light]

I don't feel much empathy in a thread that is about the people with the biggest target on their backs the the world, Christians that live in the ME.
I would advice the people in this thread to get informed and not be naive about what's going on, as it will only get worse as we get closer and closer to the psalms 83, Albert Pike world war, and eventually the final persecution of the revelation 6 worldwide beast government.
Christians are the most hated and persecuted group of people the world has ever known ever since the very day Christ was born when king Herod decreed The Massacre of Innocents (Matthew 2:16) and ordered every young male child killed in Bethlehem trying to kill the Messiah before he could start his ministry on this earth.
Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. (John 15:20)

God Bless all, Sojourner :heart:

Oh, I must be a sucker for punishment, LOL, but nevertheless I'll "bite" : which is what exactly ?

[greybeard]

My thoughts are that if the teachings of Christ were adhered to then there would not be a problem.
Many so called Christians are so deep into the Old testament and Revelations--Christ teaching of Love and Forgiveness are blatantly ignored.
How there can be a belief that Jesus a child of God would teach non judgment if his Father was judgmental, beggars belief.
Reading the old testament fosters the very opposite of the teaching by Jesus--you cant have it both ways--to my mind.

[DeDukshyn]

My thoughts are that if the teachings of Christ were adhered to then there would not be a problem.
Many so called Christians are so deep into the Old testament and Revelations--Christ teaching of Love and Forgiveness are blatantly ignored.
How there can be a belief that Jesus a child of God would teach non judgment if his Father was judgmental, beggars belief.
Reading the old testament fosters the very opposite of the teaching by Jesus--you cant have it both ways--to my mind.

We must be in sync today .. stole the exact thoughts almost verbatim right from my head, that popped up as I was typing my reference to Jesus. :) I'll probably drop off this thread before we get accused of "ganging up", :), lol.

[Sueanne47]

What is happening as the months go by is what Sojourner was saying...the demonic presence getting worse, more intense with police brutality, lawless violence, no democracy, fascist ruling class, rape, beheadings etc.

Jihadi's are hated by peace loving muslims, jihadi's are being used for the depopulation agenda ~ convert to Islamism or die, remove God and anything Godly. The US election is a distraction...look over here, rather than see what's really going on over there (no media coverage in Europe of the rapings, propaganda western media in the middle east). What a terrible legacy the elite's are leaving behind them, not only the Jewish Holocaust, but now the Christian Genocide.

Religion is an excuse for the Jihadi's to MURDER. And islamic militant's to cause friction & chaos.

I hope the new world order never comes to pass, it will be 100's of years yet before we incarnate to love......

[greybeard]

What is happening as the months go by is what Sojourner was saying...the demonic presence getting worse, more intense with police brutality, lawless violence, no democracy, fascist ruling class, rape, beheadings etc.

Jihadi's are hated by peace loving muslims, jihadi's are being used for the depopulation agenda ~ convert to Islamism or die, remove God and anything Godly. The US election is a distraction...look over here, rather than see what's really going on over there (no media coverage in Europe of the rapings, propaganda western media in the middle east). What a terrible legacy the elite's are leaving behind them, not only the Jewish Holocaust, but now the Christian Genocide.

Religion is an excuse for the Jihadi's to MURDER. And islamic militant's to cause friction & chaos.

I hope the new world order never comes to pass, it will be 100's of years yet before we incarnate to love......

Thats true Sue --things seem to be getting worse however the number of enlightened on the planet is increasing and that balances off the evil.
Eckhart Tolle th author of "The Power of Now" which sold millions of copies--when asked about the state of the world said "Yes the bad is more noisy and therefore more noticeable--the good is increasing and is quiet" Millions follow Eckhart, Adyashanti, Mooji and countless other enlightened souls on twitter. This has an impact on the collective consciousness. A rising tide lifts all boats--There can be no doubt that more and more people are genuinely interested in spirituality.
I have no doubt that the Divine nature will win.

Chris

[Sueanne47]

Well that's good news! I notice David icke's audience's getting bigger too..

We also need to keep up the good energy here on Avalon :heart: :grouphug:

[Sueanne47]

Also there was a BBC documentary a few months ago called 'the last whites of the east end', I didnt put a link to it because a lot would definately find it racist, but it showed that because of masses of immigration come into London, most of the generations of Londoners moved out to Essex, Norfolk and North London, also a lot of Brits moved out to Australia and France, Spain....the world is changing before our very eyes.

[greybeard]

Find out who owns the media--including th BBC
To the best of my knowledge eight families own and control virtually everything we think we depend on.
The media is used to control public opinion and therefore is in its very nature divisive---there must be some one to blame.

Its important either to disbelieve everything the media comes up with--turn off the TV and U tube, or be very selective.
Not many can sort out the wheat from the chaff.

You can give proof of virtually anything but thats not the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Chris

[lunaflare]

My thoughts are that if the teachings of Christ were adhered to then there would not be a problem.
Many so called Christians are so deep into the Old testament and Revelations--Christ teaching of Love and Forgiveness are blatantly ignored.
How there can be a belief that Jesus a child of God would teach non judgment if his Father was judgmental, beggars belief.
Reading the old testament fosters the very opposite of the teaching by Jesus--you cant have it both ways--to my mind.

I am no biblical scholar, but in my mind, the "Old Testament" does not reflect the teachings of Jesus. These five books of the Hebrew bible, given from God to Moses as the Torah, carry tenets and laws of biblical Judaism.
This God is not wise nor loving, but wrathful and vengeful. It is this "Creator" God that declares those of Jewish faith- descendants of Abraham- to be His "chosen people". Follow the Laws of Yahweh and you will be rewarded.
“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 14:2).

The New Testament carries allegories, parables and stories about Christ's ministry; they have love, kindness and compassion at their core. They are in fact revolutionary. Think of Jesus, and a vengeful warrior; desiring glory, riches and supremacy, does not spring to mind.
The prophet Mohammed, on the other hand, was a warrior general. He was a military man and a masterful strategist...
So where does the concept of War have its genesis? Not in the New Testament, but the Old...

[bluestflame]

points to the old testament "god" being an imposter

[Sueanne47]

My thoughts are that if the teachings of Christ were adhered to then there would not be a problem.
Many so called Christians are so deep into the Old testament and Revelations--Christ teaching of Love and Forgiveness are blatantly ignored.
How there can be a belief that Jesus a child of God would teach non judgment if his Father was judgmental, beggars belief.
Reading the old testament fosters the very opposite of the teaching by Jesus--you cant have it both ways--to my mind.

I am no biblical scholar, but in my mind, the "Old Testament" does not reflect the teachings of Jesus. These five books of the Hebrew bible, given from God to Moses as the Torah, carry tenets and laws of biblical Judaism.
This God is not wise nor loving, but wrathful and vengeful. It is this "Creator" God that declares those of Jewish faith- descendants of Abraham- to be His "chosen people". Follow the Laws of Yahweh and you will be rewarded.
“For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people of his own possession, out of all the nations that are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 14:2).

The New Testament carries allegories, parables and stories about Christ's ministry; they have love, kindness and compassion at their core. They are in fact revolutionary. Think of Jesus, and a vengeful warrior; desiring glory, riches and supremacy, does not spring to mind.
The prophet Mohammed, on the other hand, was a warrior general. He was a military man and a masterful strategist...
So where does the concept of War have its genesis? Not in the New Testament, but the Old...

It says here, how a Templar re-wrote the Bible (old testament) :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread953310/pg1

[peggy englebrake]

to Ghostrider Re: Reincarnation I really thought I was onto something when I first learned about reincarnation. Then I realized if everything is happening simultaneously there is no past or future, and what I was calling reincarnation was actually different timelines. Then I realized that some of those "ancestors" in other timelines were me in a different dimensions. Now I'm wondering what "realization" will come next and make all this obsolete.
I spent almost 20 years living with the Haida in Alaska. One day a medicine man took me aside and explained that there is no word (or concept) in the Haida language for past or future tense.
If they want to refer to what we would call the past, they say (while pointing in some direction) "Over there I am a child" or (pointing in another direction) "and over there I am am an elder" for the future. Think it's fascinating that their language indicates that the concept of "everything is happening at once" (which we think of as a great new concept) is a concept and perspective this indigenous tribe has had for thousand of years. PS They also have a word which translates "before the rising of the sun" which refers to a time on earth before humans.
Many wise words above on persecution. We have been encouraged for thousands of years to have a "I am a victim" attitude. Everywhere we see in ourselves and others the tendency to self-pity and agreement to the victim role (The Christians are being persecuted; no the jews are the victims, etc) In fact, we all have gotten the short stick many times BUT this can end if we refuse to fall victim to this mental trap. It seems that we may actually be able to intend our own reality now and take our power back.

[greybeard]

With me the jury is out on reincarnation.
Nisargadatta makes the point that reincarnation concept is just that.
You were never born you never die--you are the Absolute--one without a second.
Jesus said that he was before Elijah --now different things can be taken from this--you could say that he meant he had a life before Elijah or that he was pior to everything--he had no birth--yes as a human but not as Soul--Soul being without beginning or end --eternal.

Not wishing to muddy the water but Jesus said there is no where I am not.
That equates to, Only God is--therefore you are That--as presented by all enlightened beings. They are the totality all of it.
Now that is very hard for the normal Western conditioned mind to get/believe.
It was hard for me but reading countless accounts of enlightenment Self Realization over the last thirty years-that is studying every day, eventually it has sunk in.

Jesus Christ taught enlightenment, before him the Buddha did, Krishna taught it as recorded in the Bagavadgita. that is over five thousand years ago--same evidence that you are much more than you think you are. Jesus said that too.

Dont take my word for it, investigate deeply--the Truth of this will set you free.

Chris

[TigaHawk]

This is coming to all Christians in time, its the reason why Satan is now rife everywhere, and in America with Obama, God help us :

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Could it possibly be that people are tired of the entire "Religious BS" thing that's been going on for god knows how long? It's been going on far too long, and it's well past it's time for it to be shelved and buried so (if we survive) in the future we can look back and chuckle at how utterly stupid it all was (similar to looking back now and seeing people of color being slaves / segregated because their skin pigment was different than ours)


I mean you guy's get to pick and choose what you want preach and what you want to blatantly ignore from the book and justify it with the times have changed - yet still go into an angry rage when a woman wants to abort when she finds out she's pregnant from being raped, and when two men / women want to get married.

Every other book of teaching you're given you need to pay attention and follow every bit to get the desired outcome, you cant pick and choose what bits of an equation in a maths book you'd like to use to get the right answer to a problem.

You preach hate and intolerance and make things up in the name of religion to persecute others, then justify it with doing the lords work or saying that's what jesus wanted. God hates This. No - You hate that and are justifying your hate being correct by bringing religion into it.


*waits for it....* :clock:

[Sueanne47]

The militant Islamists make out their 'religion' is superior, and slay anyone that wont convert to it, but its got nothing to do with religion.....its just murder of innocents because the jihadist's are being used and financed to do these crimes by evil elite families to gain control of the world (new world order) and remove God.

King James and the Knights Templar altered the Bible years ago to make people fear god and control the people...I dont know if you already know of this. :)

God & Jesus is kindness and love, but he is fighting for survival atm in the battle of good versus evil..

This video is rather graphic and upsetting ~but proves the point of Christians being removed :

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[greybeard]

Question: "What occurred at the Council of Nicea?"
Answer: The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

More on the link

https://gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.html


Ps Nisargadatta Maharajh said there is only one substance.
He was speaking from the state called Enlightenment.

[Foxie Loxie]

Council of Nicea.....my personal take on that.....that is the point in history when the Roman gov't hijacked the true Jesus Movement & constructed a system by which to control the masses. IT WORKED! :idea:

[greybeard]

Its amazing that any of the true sayings of Christ survived the "editing" of the Bible.
Yet the die hards swear the Bible is the word of God---in spite of the fact that it was edit by humans.
How can so called intelligent people be so dumb?

You sure start great threads Sue.

Chris

[Sueanne47]

Thanks Chris! I get very confused about the originality of the Bible verse. Some say the Ark of the covenant contains the 10 commandments, there is also controversy over the dead sea scrolls. The only thing we can truly believe about God.. is Love!

A lot is hidden by the Vatican of the Messiah, a recent piece of news of the original hebrew Matthew document from Steve Ben Nun is interesting :

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The document he is saying about :

http://www.essene.com/TheEsseneHumaneGospel/The_Essene_Humane_Gospel_Of_Christ_Part_4.html

There is also a fight over these dead sea scrolls because Unesco says they are factual, Palestine is plotting to take the scrolls at Qumran :

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