What is your opinion - is Trump inside or outside of the establishment?

[Ultima Thule]

Simple question:

Is Trump coming in your opinion from inside or outside of establishment?
I myself am hopeful, but also hesitant as perhaps he is just another level of deception - at this point, don't know.

UT

[raff]

Orange is the new black. Now where have I heard that before. Must be a warning like those geiger stones. Just a thought.

[ThePythonicCow]

My posts #34 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94311-DEA-Official-Spills-the-Beans-on-the-Clinton-Foundation--not-just-sexual-abuse-maybe-all-about-drugs-&p=1112611&viewfull=1#post1112611) and #35 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94311-DEA-Official-Spills-the-Beans-on-the-Clinton-Foundation--not-just-sexual-abuse-maybe-all-about-drugs-&p=1112643&viewfull=1#post1112643), buried over on one of the other election threads, comments on this.

I put Trump outside, and opposed to, the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, but inside and working well with the new face of the deep establishment, which will be a multi-polar world, both politically and economically.

Trump has been hired to play a lead role for which he's well suited, to guide America through a bankruptcy and into its new role as one of several cooperating major national powers within a new world order.

[Ultima Thule]

Paul - would you think Trump a "face-saving" option to steer the boat into a more humans direction while maintaining power?

UT

[rezboom]

Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
(25 seconds)

[Ultima Thule]

Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
(25 seconds)

That is very encouraging - however I actually thought that Obama was "outside" and would do good things - now I am a bit more cynical to go beyond hopeful.

UT

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This is going to be like one of those "Who do you think will win the election?" polls. Most people are going to be in for a surprise. Trump has been consistent in his message since the 1980's and he is known hold personal grudges.

[greybeard]

I suspect after a person becomes President he is told--"Our way or no way"
Many a brave person will give in if their family is threatened with the consequences of your failure to comply.

Most can stand up to threats to their self but threats to family something else.

Anyway thats just an opinion--it may well be the best thing to happen in a long time.

Chris

[betoobig]

He is definetly an insider, if not he would have not be running for president. Now, he is a good sign that we are in a positive timeline, as Hillary would have been worst option, so far Russia wants to start talking, no more WWIII talking, to me Trump and Puttin are minions for elite´s plan B, a softer plan that will reléase free energy and improve people lives but still keep elite on power. Not enough for me. Source has a great sense of humor and we are seeing it unfold. Fun times, we are witnessing the collapse of economy, religión and goverments!!
much love

[Isserley]

I heard similar questions regarding the new pope.. I really do not know what would qualify Trump as an establishment outsider?
The mere fact that he became US president does not speak in favor of it. He may only be a puppet (which I doubt) or an insider.
Besides, the very Establishment has allowed him to gain enormously wealthy over the years and to become the first man of the United States.
Come on, let's not be naive, at least not here..

[Frankie Pancakes]

David Icke has a good take on the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yR-tvxrDxA

[neutronstar]

My posts #34 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94311-DEA-Official-Spills-the-Beans-on-the-Clinton-Foundation--not-just-sexual-abuse-maybe-all-about-drugs-&p=1112611&viewfull=1#post1112611) and #35 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94311-DEA-Official-Spills-the-Beans-on-the-Clinton-Foundation--not-just-sexual-abuse-maybe-all-about-drugs-&p=1112643&viewfull=1#post1112643), buried over on one of the other election threads, comments on this.

I put Trump outside, and opposed to, the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate, but inside and working well with the new face of the deep establishment, which will be a multi-polar world, both politically and economically.

Trump has been hired to play a lead role for which he's well suited, to guide America through a bankruptcy and into its new role as one of several cooperating major national powers within a new world order.

That is my view as well. I don't see the rulers of this planet united. There are different factions. You can't do what Trump did without help from the deep state. I also don't believe everyone in the deep state are psychopathic maniacs that view the common people merely as sheep. I would like to believe the ones he is working with have humanities best interest at heart. Time will tell.

[Eram]

Well, Newt Gingrich put it this way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO-NA73FsW8
(25 seconds)

That is very encouraging - however I actually thought that Obama was "outside" and would do good things - now I am a bit more cynical to go beyond hopeful.

UT

One thing that should have acted as a big warning sign is that fact that Obama collected huge amounts of money from the establishment when he first ran for president.

Trump has not.

In my opinion, the Globalists have found themselves outmaneuvered by the still existing democratic system.
They'll have to put up with him for as long as he will go.
No biggie for them imo.
They'll just adept, infiltrate, undermine and clip him as good as possible, which will perhaps not proof difficult, since many of the people that he will be forced to work with are in their pockets.

[turiya]

Simple question:

Is Trump coming in your opinion from inside or outside of establishment?
I myself am hopeful, but also hesitant as perhaps he is just another level of deception - at this point, don't know.

UT

UT

There was a time, years ago, when my father was still alive, I had just come back from my first trip to India & I spent a bit of time with my father & he asked me a very similar question.

You see, I was a bit rebellious as a younger teenager... and my father was quite the authoritarian type disciplinarian... and to say, at the very least, we didn't get along very well, he was quite critical of not only me, but to the others in my family...

Anyway, after spending time with him... and before leaving, he asked me this very question:
Son, when are you going to join the 'Establishment'?

I paused for a moment, and looked him straight in the eye & said: Dad, you don't understand... I am the Establishment... my generation is the new Establishment.... you're just going to have to get use to it!

So, to answer the question you propose:
Yes, Donald Trump is the 'new' Establishment!

[Wind]

He is so much of an outsider that I suspect that they will either try to assassinate him or crash the economy before he gets into the office or then they will blame him for the crashing economy. Of course he's no saint, but at least he's not a politician (even if he is a businessman) so that gives me a tiny bit of hope. If Shillary would have won as the cabal desired, then in that case I would have been quite concerned about the future of mankind.

Now I am wondering what tricks the establishment will be preparing. It's definitely not over yet.

[Rich]

I think people are accepting more love so he must be a little better, hes not a Ron Paul but at least it's going in the right direction.

[Cidersomerset]

They are all connected if not directly , indirectly and the more people
that come into the cabinet and administration , the more connected
and corrupt it gets in all political parties that gain power in a lobbyist
system where the $/£ is King , and Trump can surely relate to that.

We know Clinton would have been a continuation of neo -con/dem
political coup of the early 1990's under Bush 1. We can only hope
Trump does not get swallowed up in the Washington quagmire.

There are many questions to what a Donald administration may mean
to the alternate community , especially since he does know what is
going on and has been on the likes of Alex Jones. But will that count
for anything after he has had his 'JFK brief '......

Related imo .....

Will a Trump presidency allow 9/11 Truth lawsuits?


I doubt if much will come of this in the climate of transition/reconciliation
and the spotlight now on how Donald is going to rebuild America etc.
It depends who he brings into help govern , most I presume will be
from the pro and reluctant republicans . Rudy Giulliana must know more
than most in his camp and many have links to the Bush's and other
corporate interests . So unless the wiki and other leaks sources can
come up with something even the mainstream cannot spin/hide , I
am not holding my breath, but you never know and I'll keep posting
any articles I see on related subjects....


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94443-Will-a-Trump-presidency-allow-9-11-Truth-lawsuits

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Donald Trump Recruits Corporate Lobbyists to Select His Future Administration

By David on 10 November 2016 GMT

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Donald Trump Recruits Corporate Lobbyists to Select His Future Administration

Lee Fang
November 8 2016, 8:19 a.m.

As Donald Trump finishes his campaign with a promise to break the control of Washington
by political insiders, his transition team is preparing to hand his administration over to a
cozy clique of corporate lobbyists and Republican power brokers.


https://theintercept.com/2016/11/08/trump-transition-lobbyists/

[Rex]

It seems once Trump got the nomination he virtually stopped talking about "The Wall". He's got long list of promises, so let's see how many of them he honestly attempts: "The Wall", putting Hillary in jail, getting rid of Obamacare, knocking the "hell" out of ISIS, re-negotiating TPP and NAFTA, making friends with Russia, getting rid of the IRS, etc.

I'm of the same opinion as Chris. If they haven't already, they'll be threatening his family to keep him in line, so if he buckles under we won't see any of these promises fulfilled. Or at least not in the way he said he would.

I'm interested to see if he shares the threats he gets with the country.

[Sueanne47]

His friendship with Rupert Murdoch and what he said in the video is enough to convince me he's part of the establishment :

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[Sueanne47]

Also the Mexican wall plan would be war with Mexico? :

I said I was happy when he was chosen as President.....just because we can live to see tomorrow without WW3 with Russia, which we wouldnt with Killary, ~ what a choice!

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[OMG]

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The reason people support Trump is because he represented anti-establishment, anti-corruption and core values. No other Presidential candidate in history has spoken out against PTB in such a way.

Whether or not he is authentic, can, or is allowed to succeed…time will only tell.

But like Icke I agree that this election (like Brexit) has shown a positive shift in the consciousness of the people against the corrupt globalist establishment.


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[enigma3]

Trump is mostly outsider and part insider. The Economist, the New World Order's main mouthpiece, attempted to take down Trump early on with a major hit piece. All the main stream media except Fox on occasion tried their best to swing the election to Hillary. All MSM outlets are owned by the rich bastards. Trump himself has been an outsider in New York City circles forever. These are 3 major areas that point to him as an outsider. The RB's (rich bastards) even had almost all polling companies in their pockets.

Trump has had Sen. Jeff Sessions and Gen. Mike Flynn as advisors for many months now. These people are big time outsiders and supporters of individual nation states. Flynn was one of over 200 flag officers (one star general and up) dismissed by Obama because he would not tow the line. There are MANY military officers who support what the Trumpster stands for.

He is an insider in that he parties with the RB's and has to do business with them, but he is a classic outsider to them. They will try to co-opt him at every stage. I would not doubt that if they threaten his family he will threaten them. The New World Order is the big loser here along with the European Union. The EU is walking dead. Even Zbignew Brezinski recently said the NWO folks need to wake up and change. The push back on them threatens their agenda. No s*it sherlock.

The absolute best reference to the NWO program is Agenda 21. Read a summary of that. It is beyond spooky. And let us remember that the Rothschild/Rockefeller bunch wants to reduce the population to under 1 billion people. Agenda 21 calls for no nation states at all, no borders, and end to national culture and an end to all religions. Also an end to the US constitution. Amongst other nefarious ideas. The RB's have bought out the UN and are using it to advance their interests.

As far as currency goes, we in the US are in deep trouble. The hegemony of the US dollar is dependent on oil and maintaining a price above $60 per barrel. That dependency is what the RB's and the US relies on to "pay off" the national debt. Now with BRICS and the Yuan becoming a reserve currency, the slide of the dollar in international markets will continue.

Trump is a change agent. Whenever meaningful change is introduced into politics things will get ugly as many people will not be able to let go of the old order. He is only the beginning, The cycle has begun to swing back to a respect for individualism. The message of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump (no more business as usual) will only become stronger by the next election cycle. There are some big cracks in the NWO wall now that won't go away. The RB's will push back but the people's voice is getting louder. Let's see how long it takes to build that wall with Mexico. If anyone has the guts to stand up to the RB's it is Trump. A rich bastard himself who sees the landscape quite differently and doesn't mind getting down and dirty.

[Eric J (Viking)]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1470205026327571&id=124149704266450

If he bows to this chap then he's part of the game... Perhaps it's wishful thinking on Netanyahu...well see.

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President-elect Trump, my friend,
Congratulations on being elected President of the United States of America. You are a great friend of Israel.

Over the years, you’ve expressed your support consistently, and I deeply appreciate it. I look forward to working with you to advance security, prosperity and peace.

Israel is grateful for the broad support it enjoys among the American people, and I’m confident that the two of us, working closely together, will bring the great alliance between our two countries to even greater heights.

May God bless America.
May God bless Israel.
May God bless our enduring alliance.

********
Viking

[meat suit]

too far on the outside and there will be a muslim suicide bomber to put things back in order... I give Trump a 30% chance of being alive in 3 months from now...

[Antagenet]

An Outsider. I too fear that he will be taken out.

What I hope for is that when the deep shadow gov sits him down and tells him all about the real power
and how he will have to obey, he feigns obedience... then after he gets sworn into office he quietly enacts
exactly what he wants to do, all the things he promised us...
I don't think he would let himself be bullied. He might even get his family together and say,
I submit or they have threatened to hurt me or us... and I think all his children and Melania
will say... YOU ARE OUR LEADER not the ****ing stuck up diabolical shadow gov.

If he just comes right out and say to the world, "I've been threatened and I'm not going to take it"
he would become an instand hero and even more of a leader.

[Sueanne47]

If this isnt proof to all..that Mr Trump is establishment, then I dont know what is. In this video (please go to 12.55) it shows us inside a luciferian church, at the altar is a huge mural of Apollo ~ the destroyer/sun god. (zeus's son)

In the video under that, is a picture in DT's tower apartment of his idol Apollo on the ceiling and a picture over the mantlepiece..with 2 pillars either side of it. He went to a RC university, but I havent found anywhere that states he is Roman Catholic..but isnt this interesting?

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[Anchor]

Definitely outsider (of the American elites), but now, given that the insiders are just coming to terms with just how badly they messed this election up, I think they may attempt to change that quite soon.

Either-way, the controls are breaking down, the system is being busted bit by bit. Such turmoil and some tragedy associated with this - but at least its happening.

Over the coming decades ALL the troublemakers and tyrants will eventually see that they have to leave, there is no long term future for them here on Earth.

[Sueanne47]

Eric Jon Phelps on Donald Trump, (but he's mistaken on ushering in Hillary) :

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[Ultima Thule]

:bump: this to get a few more takes on it.

UT

[Ultima Thule]

Final :bump:

[lunaflare]

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So, according to the first YouTube clip, "worship" of the sacred feminine is, in essence, worshipping Satan?
And following the narration of this clip, this is the covert message of Babylonian religions? Well, that is one possible interpretation (that is bandied around a lot).

Firstly, it is a common misconception that Lucifer is evil/bad. Lucifer (light-bearer) is also a Latin name (why is this written in the more "ancient" Hebrew?).
And how many times has the Bible revised?
Answer: many
And why was Mary Magdalene erroneously stigmatized for so long as a sinning ne'er-do-well prostitute? (retracted by the Vatican in 1969 -but few know this).

I say the feminine creative life force is indeed at the centre of our world. And yes, this is sacred; it is the womb of a woman from which we (humans) naturally birth into this world.

Indigenous cultures, and ancient civilizations (as shown in this YouTube) view the feminine as the creator-god-force. Yeah, so...

Women share a psychic and physiological link to sun-moon cycles (which is why they were often in positions of leadership in Celtic cultures and later in early Gnosticism and early Christianity/Cathars.
In astro-theosophy, Jesus can be seen as the Sun (son) and Mary (Virgo-virgin), the Earth.
And the Earth (Mary) is always in relationship with the moon (often depicted as a crescent).

Nothing nefarious here as far as I can see.

[Sueanne47]

lunaflare, I'm just putting this information out there. There is a certain amount of people on Avalon that think that Lucifer is 'not all that bad' which is abhorrent to me. Good is bad - bad is good, I wont be baited into an argument about satan and god so I'm staying silent on the matter because I know I will be slammed by many.

Satan is EVIL ~lets be clear on that fact.

[East Sun]

No matter what he is he's better than the alternative....................

[lunaflare]

lunaflare, I'm just putting this information out there. There is a certain amount of people on Avalon that think that Lucifer is 'not all that bad' which is abhorrent to me. Good is bad - bad is good, I wont be baited into an argument about satan and god so I'm staying silent on the matter because I know I will be slammed by many.

Satan is EVIL ~lets be clear on that fact.

Just wished to make the point that it is misleading for the sacred feminine (as symbolised by the goddess in various cultures/mythologies) to be equated with Satan.

Nature-Gaia-Earth (in relation to the sun) enables the breath of Life.
We humans are responsible for the choices we make and the ethics we follow..

[Ultima Thule]

Poll results are interesting to say the least. Even though on an another poll, almost 100% of Americans had voted for Trump, we see a skeptical attitude when it comes to how Trump is viewed.

I would see this skepticism as quite healthy. On the other hand, it is intriguing how the poll result in my interpretation strongly says: we just don't know. I guess that is way better than knowing for certain what is coming - in a bad way.

UT

[TargeT]

lunaflare, I'm just putting this information out there. There is a certain amount of people on Avalon that think that Lucifer is 'not all that bad' which is abhorrent to me. Good is bad - bad is good, I wont be baited into an argument about satan and god so I'm staying silent on the matter because I know I will be slammed by many.

Satan is EVIL ~lets be clear on that fact.

This is an interesting reaction.

A good demonstration of what happens when a strongly held belief is challenged. A good example of why once a person has a set of beliefs ingrained over years, they do not want to even explore their own beliefs in any non-supportive way.


Why would anyone shy from a debate (argument) when they are convinced of a certain thing?

Why would a person ever shy away from knowledge?


I see the exposed under pinning of a control methodology here, self imposed ignorance is very limiting & that's basically what goes on when strongly held beliefs are brought up.

My personal strongly held beliefs are not relligious due to my upbringings, but I have noticed these types of reactions in myself when certain topics are raised... and even when noticed via self analysis this reaction is difficult to over come.


Let me dust off this video, the first 10 min explain the situation FAR better than I can:
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Understanding this mental process will greatly benefit everyone, we have to know HOW and WHY we "react" (and understand how almost out-of-our-control these reactions can be).

as for the lucifer thing..

aren't lucifer and Satan completely different? Lucifer was an individual, Satan is more of a "title"or descriptor from my understanding.

After seeing how so many large topics believed by the public are nearly always the opposite of reality has left me pretty open minded. I'd be willing to listen to someone try to make the case for Lucifer (which, again, is not the same as "Satan").

If not just to understand their point of view (which apparently is held by a few people with a lot of money).