Veterans Today has jumped the shark

[jake gittes]

I used to rely on that site for some alt news but it has sunk like a stone in the past year in my eyes.

First was the infamous Jade Helm meltdown when several prominent "alt journalists" either left or were kicked off. While I thought people like Common Sense's Dave Hodges pumped out too much fear porn about it, I still felt Jade Helm was worth paying attention to. It was a bit suspicious.

Instead, Gordon Duff acted indignant about it, ridiculed anybody and everyone about it then kicked off a bunch of quality writers from the site, including Jim Fetzer and Dean Henderson. Preston James even left, although he's back and disappointingly remains there.

The past few months VT has done nothing but demonize Trump and promote Hillary, as somebody named Ian Greenhalgh has suddenly become Gordo's favorite son and attack dog. Gordo even sang the virtues of George Soros. George Soros! I have some reservations about Trump myself, but Hillary and Soros the "good guys?" Gimme a break.

Yes, I was aware of the 40% disinfo quote for some time and was able to squelch that since there appeared to be quality info coming out there. But anymore the site doesn't ring true. Was it all a psyop itself to cast doubt on all alt media? Whatever the case, VT has cast doubt on itself as far as I'm concerned. Once that trust is gone, it might as well be just another CNN.

R.I.P. VT. :thumbsdown:

[ceetee9]

I used to rely on that site for some alt news but it has sunk like a stone in the past year in my eyes.

First was the infamous Jade Helm meltdown when several prominent "alt journalists" either left or were kicked off. While I thought people like Common Sense's Dave Hodges pumped out too much fear porn about it, I still felt Jade Helm was worth paying attention to. It was a bit suspicious.

Instead, Gordon Duff acted indignant about it, ridiculed anybody and everyone about it then kicked off a bunch of quality writers from the site, including Jim Fetzer and Dean Henderson. Preston James even left, although he's back and disappointingly remains there.

The past few months VT has done nothing but demonize Trump and promote Hillary, as somebody named Ian Greenhalgh has suddenly become Gordo's favorite son and attack dog. Gordo even sang the virtues of George Soros. George Soros! I have some reservations about Trump myself, but Hillary and Soros the "good guys?" Gimme a break.

Yes, I was aware of the 40% disinfo quote for some time and was able to squelch that since there appeared to be quality info coming out there. But anymore the site doesn't ring true. Was it all a psyop itself to cast doubt on all alt media? Whatever the case, VT has cast doubt on itself as far as I'm concerned. Once that trust is gone, it might as well be just another CNN.

R.I.P. VT. :thumbsdown:I agree Jake. I was skeptical of VT (and Gordon Duff) from the get-go, but there were some good articles and information from various writers there once upon a time--even from Duff. And, yes, I believe the site was/is a psyop operation and why I seldom read that site anymore. Duff is obviously a left winger as he has supported Obama, Hillary and many other Liberals (and their agendas) in many of his articles. The fact that he supports Hillary and Soros pretty much says it all. He is either clueless (which I seriously doubt) or he is part of the team.

[KiwiElf]

The dissatisfaction of the bloggers underneath the "articles" is quite telling... ;)

[Matt P]

I noticed exactly the same. I used to visit at least once daily but have now removed VT from my list completely. Duff has serious anger issues and I suspect some growing mental health issues. I could at least understand the constant Trump bashing but to so openly support The psycho criminal Clinton was deplorable.

Matt

[enigma3]

You need a good, reliable BS meter to pick through VT. It is easy for me to tell the difference between propaganda and real articles. I ignore the BS political thumping and focus on their knowledge of all things military. They have some outside writers on politics in the middle east that are good too. I found out about the USS Donald Cook incident on that site. Truly an amazing story.
Their articles on Keshe have been quite good. Their outing of the use of nukes in the desert were good too.
However, all the articles on the Holocaust were total BS. From what I understand Mr. Fetzer was going into lala land before getting the boot. Fiction and non-fiction blurred.
They recently had an article on the rail system that Russia, China and India are building in Asia. Excellent article. It will soon be much faster to ship Chinese goods to Europe by rail rather than by ship. Who knows whether shipping lanes will stay open or who will control them.
My biggest gripe is with Gordon Duff. He knows a lot of inside information but his articles usually don't include enough of this information to make much sense. He tells much of the story in a convoluted way but leaves out the juiciest parts that would tie the whole story together. So most of the time you get an incomplete story from him.
I go there but read fewer articles than I once did.

[TargeT]

I think VT is not worth the effort of reading.


I've never heard of "jumped the shark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark)" before... haha, interesting phrase.

was there a particular article that you think was a "Jump the shark" moment or are you just commenting on it's general decline (which, IMO, happened years ago.. haha)?

[Kryztian]

Remember when I first heard of Duff. He was heading the "Adamus Project" - a program to bring disclosure to the light of day. Whatever happened to that?

Then, three or four years ago Duff was reporting a story of an epic multi-nation battle against an underground Reptillian base in the middle of the Pacific? It was so epic that no veterans of that battle have come forth on Veterans Today, or any place else, to tell that story.

I'll just say that Mr. Duff has made these and other extraordinary claims, and these extraordinary claims have never been followed up with even the tiniest bit of supporting information.

[kirolak]

I think VT is not worth the effort of reading.


I've never heard of "jumped the shark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark)" before... haha, interesting phrase.

was there a particular article that you think was a "Jump the shark" moment or are you just commenting on it's general decline (which, IMO, happened years ago.. haha)?

I was just about to post & ask what Jumping the Shark meant! :clapping:

[mgray]

"Jumping the shark" comes from the 1970s TV show "Happy Days" were the show was running out of plot lines has a character named Fonzi jump a a shark while water skiing.

[Wind]

VT indeed is mostly a disinfo propaganda site to fool people in the alternative arena.

Discernment, discernment, discernment. Use it if you have it.

[Sean]

Have to(sadly) agree, and I've posted many of Gordon's articles here. The Neverending defense of HRC never really sat well with me. Thought I just wasn't "in the know".

Now I think Gordon doesn't know.

[Kryztian]

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From Wikipedia:
"Jumping the shark" is attempting to draw attention to or create publicity for something that is perceived as not warranting the attention, especially something that is believed to be past its peak in quality or relevance. The idiom "jumping the shark" is almost always used in a pejorative sense. It is most commonly used in reference to gimmicks for promoting entertainment outlets, such as television series, that are declining in popularity.

[enigma3]

The VT defense of Hillary was a bit strange unless you factor in infiltration. Still strange. You would prefer Hillary to the flawed Trump? We may temporarily breathe a sigh of relief if de'tante with Russia ensues. If he rebuilds infrastructure the people will celebrate. The dice have been cast. Who wins and who loses? In the realm of the senses.

[jake gittes]

TargeT: Duff's weird behavior with the whole Jade Helm blow-up started the ball rolling. When he extolled the virtues of Hillary and Soros in an article it pretty much sealed the deal. Then all the over-the-top anti-Trump stuff with comments sections suddenly replaced with "COMMENTS CLOSED" was the proverbial icing on the cake. Then he blames "Trump-bots" and trolls for having to close those comments sections? Comments under articles had already been steadily declining the past year, so not many articles had much in the way of comments anymore anyway. Weird vibe there now.

[jake gittes]

Wow. Now today, VT has added "Trump Election Spurs Hate Crime Wave with 400 Racist Incidents" by Ian Greenhalgh of course. So just like MSM, VT is now "reporting" that Soros-created incidents are "real" and are because of "Trump election," which is a way of justifying the "400 Racist Incidents" whether they were Soros-created or not. LOL. VT has now curled around and jumped back over the shark. Heyyyyy! :thumbsup:

[happyuk]

I have to say I agree. I am VERY puzzled by his anti-Trump tirades right now. Ethic students being bullied by Trump supporters? I find that very hard to believe. Neither does he give a shred of evidence besides some vague hearsay. If anything it is the pro-Hillary crowd who have always been the mouthy ones.

Is this Gordon Duff, senior editor of VT really saying this:

"I would spend more time with my kids and grandchildren in Germany or go back to living in Paris but there isn’t that much left of those places either. You are either overrun by refugees or dumb ****s. I can’t tell which is worse.

They all smell the same."

Astonishing

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/11/16/today-in-trumpland-life-on-the-other-side-of-the-mirror/

[Bill Ryan]

First was the infamous Jade Helm meltdown when several prominent "alt journalists" either left or were kicked off.

That's this radio show, I think. (Well worth listening to!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiv5-Uk_0so
This is the YouTube text, quoted as-is. (Ignore the on-screen video thumbnail above... just listen to the broadcast)
Stew Webb, Jim Fetzer, Dean Henderson, Gene Tatum, and Bruce Campbell come together in this 3 hour special to give the proof that Gordon Duff is a lying fraud that only wants to try to control the alternative media so he can put out his known lies.Edit, August 2020:

The YouTube video has been deleted, but I archived the audio:


http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Duff...4-28-2015).mp3 (http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Duff_Roast_(Veterans_Truth_Network_4-28-2015).mp3)

And there's a web page about this here:


http://goldtentoasis.com/wordpress/2...on-duff-roast/ (http://goldtentoasis.com/wordpress/2015/04/30/veterans-truth-network-4-28-15-gordon-duff-roast/)




Stew Webb, Jim Fetzer, Dean Henderson, Gene Tatum, and Bruce Campbell come together in this 3 hour special to give the proof that Gordon Duff is a lying fraud that only wants to try to control the alternative media so he can put out his known lies. Gordon Duff has put out lies such as vaccines are good for you, Jade Helm is no big deal, Jesus never existed, he protects Leo Wanta, he runs security for Africa and that he would never censor his writers!

Jim Fetzer puts out some really disturbing information that must be investigated. As soon as the mutiny began on Gordon Duff and all the real patriots began leaving and moving over to VeteransTruthNetwork.com (http://VeteransTruthNetwork.com), two radio show talk show hosts were targeted for murder!

Stew Webb was run off the road last Saturday night – the same assassination team that has tried to kill him before were involved and he was chased at speeds of over 100 miles per hour! Jeff Rense was targeted on the same weekend when he was about to put on Jim Fetzer and Dean Henderson that were going to expose Gordon Duff’s censorship!

I need all truth warriors to spread the word about Gordon Duff in this HUGE interview. He is never to be trusted again and VeteransToday is nothing more than a “limited hangout” disinformation hub that tried to gather really good writers to control them. Those great patriots are now leaving VeteransToday in the biggest mutiny in alternative media history!

This is actually a very good thing as Gordon Duff is fully exposed and we will NEVER be fooled again. He’s fake and was put there to control people and tell people to relax in the warm pot and that Jade Helm was no big deal! Get the word out now!

All patriots and veterans should now go to VeteransTruthNetwork.com (http://VeteransTruthNetwork.com) which is 100% uncensored and run by patriots who have been blowing the whistle and taking action for DECADES!

[lightpotential]

The past few months VT has done nothing but demonize Trump and promote Hillary, as somebody named Ian Greenhalgh has suddenly become Gordo's favorite son and attack dog. Gordo even sang the virtues of George Soros. George Soros! I have some reservations about Trump myself, but Hillary and Soros the "good guys?" Gimme a break.

I am very pleased to see that I am not the only one who thinks VT is compromised, highlighting in particular the individual Ian Greenhalgh. I have read some of his articles, and he attacks people outrageously and obnoxiously. He specifically targeted Richard D Hall.

I know and have met Richard personally when he interviewed me on his TV show a few years ago, as broadcast in Britain where I am based. Richard is in my opinion one of the good guys.

As a general rule, I realise that there are many authors on VT and not all agree with one another. There are however few people that I trust on the military/political stuff.

[lucidity]

Is this thread a _misinformation_ thread ?

Veterans Today was spot-on with it's stories about:
=> The Israeli nuking of Yemen on behalf of Saudi Arabia
=> The nuking of China at Tianjin, Huantai (in Shandong) and Dongying
=> The nuking of Fallujah in 2004
=> The sale of looted Syrian and Iraqi antiquities by various Israeli parties
=> The CIA funding, equipping and training of ISIS terrorists in Syria (and Iraq)
=> The downing of MH17 by an Israeli missile fired from the Ukrainian side.
=> Western leaders converging on Antarctica for a secret meeting.

All these stories turned out to be true.

VT remains an important source of stories that simply wouldn't easily be
available otherwise.

The arguments against VT are notably rhetorical.... and empty.

[happyuk]

Is this thread a _misinformation_ thread ?

Veterans Today was spot-on with it's stories about:
=> The Israeli nuking of Yemen on behalf of Saudi Arabia
=> The nuking of China at Tianjin, Huantai (in Shandong) and Dongying
=> The nuking of Fallujah in 2004
=> The sale of looted Syrian and Iraqi antiquities by various Israeli parties
=> The CIA funding, equipping and training of ISIS terrorists in Syria (and Iraq)
=> The downing of MH17 by an Israeli missile fired from the Ukrainian side.
=> Western leaders converging on Antarctica for a secret meeting.

All these stories turned out to be true.

VT remains an important source of stories that simply wouldn't easily be
available otherwise.

The arguments against VT are notably rhetorical.... and empty.

I think few would disagree with any of the above. All this excellent material makes the very recent change of tack at VT all the more puzzling.

[Satori]

I stopped listening to Gordon Duff and stopped reading anything he writes, and anything on VT, about a year ago. He is a shill and an agitator spreading disinformation and half truths; which are the same as whole lies. His agenda does not align with the best interests of the average man and woman, where ever located on this beautiful (but stressed) planet we call home.

[jake gittes]

Is this thread a _misinformation_ thread ?

Veterans Today was spot-on with it's stories about:
=> The Israeli nuking of Yemen on behalf of Saudi Arabia
=> The nuking of China at Tianjin, Huantai (in Shandong) and Dongying
=> The nuking of Fallujah in 2004
=> The sale of looted Syrian and Iraqi antiquities by various Israeli parties
=> The CIA funding, equipping and training of ISIS terrorists in Syria (and Iraq)
=> The downing of MH17 by an Israeli missile fired from the Ukrainian side.
=> Western leaders converging on Antarctica for a secret meeting.

All these stories turned out to be true.

VT remains an important source of stories that simply wouldn't easily be
available otherwise.

The arguments against VT are notably rhetorical.... and empty.

It would have been nice if you had simply listed what you found "spot-on" about Veterans Today, rather than cast aspersions on me and those who agreed and issued "Thank yous" by questioning if this was a "mis-information thread," which is insulting to me and the numerous others who said "Thank You" or agreed w/commentary.


Often, those who dis-inform or mis-inform accuse others of doing so to cover their own acts. So I looked up YOUR comments to see if YOU were providing "mis-information." In viewing your comments, I found myself agreeing with most of your posts that I read. It would have been nice if you had offered me the same courtesy. This was not a snap decision about VT, but one garnered over time - as I stated in my post. The questionable direction of VT was nicely summed up by happyuk:


I think few would disagree with any of the above. All this excellent material makes the very recent change of tack at VT all the more puzzling.

[Sean]

Is this thread a _misinformation_ thread ?

Veterans Today was spot-on with it's stories about:
=> The Israeli nuking of Yemen on behalf of Saudi Arabia
=> The nuking of China at Tianjin, Huantai (in Shandong) and Dongying
=> The nuking of Fallujah in 2004
=> The sale of looted Syrian and Iraqi antiquities by various Israeli parties
=> The CIA funding, equipping and training of ISIS terrorists in Syria (and Iraq)
=> The downing of MH17 by an Israeli missile fired from the Ukrainian side.
=> Western leaders converging on Antarctica for a secret meeting.

All these stories turned out to be true.

VT remains an important source of stories that simply wouldn't easily be
available otherwise.

The arguments against VT are notably rhetorical.... and empty.

I've been a big VT fan for years, but something has changed. They're right on point when it comes to, say, Jeff Smith's articles about how the twin towers were nuked on 9/11. I'm no scientist, but if all that scientific info is faked, then they're the best liars on earth. It's not faked. Where he(Gordon) is losing me is on defending HRC. She's dirty as hell. Is his stance "trump is worse, so let's defend HRC?" I don't know. I still read VT every day, but, I'm confused...and it doesn't help that Fetzer and Co. Came out so strongly against him. They worked directly with him for years.. Somethings up.

[jake gittes]

Exactly, Sean. That is the gist of my conclusions, which lucidity questioned as being misinformation.

[Bill Ryan]

From Veterans Today, 27 April 2021 (two weeks ago). They are scathingly pro-'vaccination'. Go figure.


Gary G. Kohls, MD Mindlessly Regurgitates Misinformation
https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/ (https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/)

I'm not even going to copy one tiny part of their awful article. Just please be aware of them.

[TomKat]

From Veterans Today, 27 April 2021 (two weeks ago). They are scathingly pro-'vaccination'. Go figure.


Gary G. Kohls, MD Mindlessly Regurgitates Misinformation
https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/ (https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/)

I'm not even going to copy one tiny part of their awful article. Just please be aware of them.

Years ago Duff said that aliens had claimed the Pacific Ocean and would take it by force. He's on my goofball list.

[Hym]

I don't know how long ago it was that I stopped reading VT, but it was many years ago. From my contacts and a higher than average ability, like many, to discern the propaganda machine hard at work, I found a constant mixture of insight and outright lies. That trait may be even a subconscious habit of that agency's life-long members, some who've found an ego boosting social platform. Life Long Members.

To my discredit, as far as documenting the inconsistencies and lies, I tend to entirely let go when the "intel" is so skewed with misinformation. I had by that time learned to not even entertain my time with anyone on VT claiming to tell the truth.

I originally saw the site as pure entertainment, until I realized that they were claiming there was some larger truths being proffered. I eventually erased almost all of my notations from anyone on that site, so muddy was the mix of truth and diversion.

So many interesting theories, some likely true, mixed in with pablum that I couldn't follow the bouncing ball with any sense of clarity. I would read the comment section and laugh, until I saw the authors were being serious. My only comment there was "Write a book."

Just like Satori said, " He is a shill and an agitator spreading disinformation and half truths; which are the same as whole lies."

Added Edit:
I dismissed all of VT so long ago, it wasn't until I now went to the OP on this thread and remembered that Duff said that at least 40% of all intel is disinfo. True to his word he has met that quota and then some.

I had stopped reading any VT articles so many years before that OP that I never bothered to read anything on this thread until now. Same old story, same old song and dance. The real question is how much of tax monies is he getting paid to carry on with the mix.

[gord]

I've had the impression for about 2 years or so that somebody over there is being blackmailed in some way.

[TomKat]

From Veterans Today, 27 April 2021 (two weeks ago). They are scathingly pro-'vaccination'. Go figure.


Gary G. Kohls, MD Mindlessly Regurgitates Misinformation
https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/ (https://veteranstoday.com/2020/06/27/gary-g-kohls-md-mindlessly-regurgitates-misinformation-2/)

I'm not even going to copy one tiny part of their awful article. Just please be aware of them.

Years ago Duff said that aliens had claimed the Pacific Ocean and would take it by force. He's on my goofball list.

At 6 minutes he starts talking about the Pacific Basin aliens, but if you listen from the beginning, he talks about aliens who want to eat humans.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/05/18/disclosure-beware-new-us-ufo-reports-not-what-they-seem/

He also talks about secret technology.