Nothing here on WikiLeaks emails -- No Pizzagate?

[Curious77]

Nothing buried in any of the threads on these subjects?

[uzn]

https://dcpizzagate.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/pizzaemail.jpg

[yuhui]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94225-Clinton-Pedophilia-Ring
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94651-Twittergate

[Curious77]

Thank you uzn and yuhui --

And will be looking into the info and following links -- late now, so maybe tomorrow!

How much discussion of this scandal are you finding among the public at large and on other websites?

[sunwings]

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[Fellow Aspirant]

The whole sordid, batsh*t crazy "Pizzagate" blowup is delved into deeply in this Snopes piece. It's convincingly (for me, anyway) exposed as a hoax:

http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/

I feel sorry for the employees of the pizzeria, though.

B.

[the_real_dave-id]

I don't know Snopes, so I don't know if they are "real" or part of the disinfo chain. (Or a little of both as so many are.)

Not trying to start up anything with you Fellow Aspirant, but to say the Snopes piece is delving deeply into Pizzagate doesn't feel right to me.

They say that "None of this elaborate conspiracy is true, as the New York Times noted:" Yet Snope's only "proof" seems to be that New York Times times said so. They "noted" it. From where did they note it? NYT offers no proof of their notation.

They simply say (many times if you read the whole NYT article) that Pizzagate is "fake news," with no proof other than to keep saying it's so. The NYT article goes on to quote Alefantis, who says just what you'd expect someone in his position would say, whether he was innocent of the charges or not.

Now to be clear, I'm not saying I think that this means "Pizzagate" is true, just that the linked article doesn't offer enough information to prove it me one way or the other. And I'd love to see some proof one way or the other. Because if there are people in high places involved with child trafficking it'll take real, unarguable proof to bring 'em down.

My read of the NYT article that Snopes quoted from, is that they were planting ideas for the public to swallow. The term "fake news" was used so many times it seemed like it was being put forth as the new term for "conspiracy theory." Something they can just say and the public will look the other way.

Maybe what the NYT says is true, maybe not, but currently the weight of evidence, circumstantial though it may be, doesn't seem to be in favor of this being a hoax.

I really hope it is a hoax. I'd rather live in a world where the things Pizzagate believers claim are not true.

With all the info that's been unearthed by Avalon and the whistle blowers it's associated with over they years, this is certainly the kind of thing one can believe easily is going on…. the only question is… is it going on with these specific people through these specific places or not?

Of course on the other hand, the whole thing could be a way to get the public to dismiss the possibility of it, while being a cover for it's true existence.

They could devise and reveal a conspiracy that's not really true, when it goes viral you show the public it isn't true and then you can get away with it all you want because the public will just look the other way every time anything like is mentioned after that.

Don't know. Wish I did.

[TargeT]

The whole sordid, batsh*t crazy "Pizzagate" blowup is delved into deeply in this Snopes piece. It's convincingly (for me, anyway) exposed as a hoax:

http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/

I feel sorry for the employees of the pizzeria, though.

B.

Have you looked into the 4chan findings?

This looks as real as it can get.. Snopes is just a part of this "false news" BS that the MSM is launching head first into, as if they aren't one of the sources of false news also....


GL15ZkNgUI0

This video is a great counter to snopes, it talks mostly about the NYT (new york times) article that snopes bases everything on.

[Basho]

I feel like this interview deserves a thread of its own but freeman fly doesn't seem to get much attention on Avalon. I recently discovered freeman thanks to cidersomerset & have been following him ever since.

I hope others that don't know of freeman will enjoy & take a look at his other material.

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[uzn]

I took another look at the New York Times article that tries to dismiss 4Chan´s findings as fakenews.
In my oppinion this early Article was a Message to all involved. In it:
Mr. Alefantis: “I’ve done nothing for days but try to clean this up......"
Get it?

[Cidersomerset]

They discuss the topic and the innuendo and possible hidden meanings
and much more .....

Monarch Survivor Jay Parker On #Pizzagate, Podesta Emails & Washington Paedophile Rings

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Published on 24 Nov 2016
Please Support The Show – www.paypal.me/richieallen

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Pizzagate Incident?What Have We Found So Far ?

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Published on 26 Nov 2016
Pizzagate Incident?

[Cidersomerset]

Lionel from RT on Pizzagate : 'Let's get to the bottom of that one'

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Published on 26 Nov 2016


WATCH PIZZAGATE (FINAL CUT) CENSORED BY YOUTUBE :
On vimeo : https://vimeo.com/192609062
On Dailymotion : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x530...
On rutube : https://rutube.ru/video/e723f23c3b679...

[The Freedom Train]

Damn. Just checked this out on youtube, and the man makes an interesting point to consider. That he is not denying the existence of elite pedophile rings makes me stop to wonder if what he is saying is possibly a correct assessment. What a freaking roller coaster ride this is!

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[TargeT]

Great summary of most of the "pizza gate" situation:
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[Fellow Aspirant]

This looks pretty extensive to me ...



Claim: The 'Podesta e-mails' revealed the existence of a secret society of pedophiles operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock.
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Example: [Collected via e-mail, November 2016]

Hi, this is something I've been reading about a lot lately on Reddit and it's really starting to annoy the crap out of me:

Have you heard about the "pizzagate" conspiracy theory?

It seems to be the easiest way to get pretty caught up is through this Reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5da0kp/comet_ping_pong_pizzagate_summary/

Now, there is obviously some weird stuff in there, but I really think these people are starting to go crazy!! One of the supposedly inappropriate pictures they pull from James Alefantis' instagram is of a smiling girl with her hands taped down to a table. Yeah that's weird but, can that not just be a really innocent game? Like just picking on a little kid?

I have many questions like that about most of the evidence they have. They have even stated the name "James Alefantis" is similar to the french saying for "I love children," they say that Comet Pizza's menu contains a pedophile symbol (it's a set of ping pong paddles?!?), they say there are obvious pedophilic references in instagram posts made by Alefantis of literal pizza memes. Am I the only person who thinks pizza is just pizza? It's like people who love bacon are obsessed with bacon. This guy owns a pizza place, the act of stuffing your face with pizza is like a trendy meme right now, he's the owner of a pizza place, why wouldn't he post pics of pizza?

It's pretty crazy, but getting traction in the past few days, as some of the "suspects" involved are posting responses to social media, obviously denying everything.

What do you think? Have you heard of it? I'm sure there's some kind of international pedophile ring, but I don't know if these people are pointing fingers at the right people.

Origin:On 4 November 2016, Reddit user u/DumbScribblyUnctious published a thread titled "Comet Ping Pong - Pizzagate Summary" to subreddit r/The_Donald (a community of Donald Trump supporters), which appears to have touched off a complex and detailed conspiracy theory involving WikiLeaks' release of e-mails from former Hillary Clinton presidential campaign chair John Podesta, child exploitation, and a Washington, D.C., pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong.

None of this elaborate conspiracy theory was true, as the New York Times noted:

None of it was true. While [Comet Ping Pong pizzeria owner James] Alefantis has some prominent Democratic friends in Washington and was a supporter of Mrs. Clinton, he has never met her, does not sell or abuse children, and is not being investigated by law enforcement for any of these claims. He and his 40 employees had unwittingly become real people caught in the middle of a storm of fake news.

“From this insane, fabricated conspiracy theory, we’ve come under constant assault,” said Mr. Alefantis, 42, who was once in a relationship with David Brock, a provocative former right-wing journalist who became an outspoken advocate for Mrs. Clinton.

Although the original "Pizzagate" post was deleted at some point between 4 and 21 November 2016, archived versions of it contained what appeared to be the original post in its entirety. (A subreddit dedicated to the controversy, r/pizzagate, was created in the interim.) A brief and incomplete summary of the theory espoused in the original post goes as follows:

Comet Pizza is a pizza place owned by James Alefantis, who is the former gay boyfriend of David Brock, the CEO of Correct The Record. It has been the venue for dozens of events for the Hillary campaign staff. John Podesta has had campaign fundraisers there for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. John's brother and business partner Tony Podesta has his birthday party there every year. [https://i.sli.mg/1MqPHA.png]

It's also a dive that according to reviews and photos has hidden bathroom doors and creepy murals. The bathrooms in particular have murals exclusively of nude women, as well as a great deal of graffiti relating to sex. Reviews of the restaurant are bizarrely polarized. Websites describing it positively note that there are regularly "unsupervised children running around". Their menu include a pedophilic symbol, as do the signs and decorations of other neighboring businesses.

The music acts and the posters promoting same acts are bizarre in their presentation, content, and lyrical focus, but are still promoted as being "for all ages". The overtly sexual content would suggest otherwise.

The same has taken place in reference to videos recorded inside Comet Ping Pong by people that frequent their establishment as well as video referencing Comet Ping Pong positively from the exterior.

While initially not the central focus of the investigation at the onset, Comet Ping Pong is a much more overt and much more disturbing hub of coincidences. Everyone associated with the business is making semi-overt, semi-tongue-in-cheek, and semi-sarcastic inferences towards sex with minors. The artists that work for and with the business also generate nothing but cultish imagery of disembodiment, blood, beheadings, sex, and of course pizza.

Several pages were linked to support the details of the claim (an e-mail in which David Brock was described as "bat**** crazy" by Clinton associate Neera Tanden was among them) and the post primarily focused on Alefantis and his loose ties to the Clinton campaign via a former romantic relationship with David Brock of Media Matters for America.

Users tracked down Alefantis' purported Instagram account (since deleted or restricted), which they said hosted images of children, gay clubs, drugs, and generally "bizarre" or unsettling imagery:

James Alefantis' instagram late 11/5/16. by morning of 11/7/16 it was set to private.

We recently found the instagram account of James Alefantis. The contents of it are indescribably bizarre and the contexts of the posts and comment chains are weird. Alefantis does not have any children nor do his closest associates, but the photos seem to be a near constant assortment of different children of a variety of ages, intermingled between posts about gay bars, clubs, photos of common rape drugs, and piles of foreign currency. After it being trawled through for 24 hours it has been set to private. A large set of archived copies can be seen here in the next section. Similarly the instagram and twitter accounts of Comet Ping Pong are being edited selectively. The accounts of the people favoriting and commenting on these posts are equally bizarre in both content, context, and demeanor.

However, the photographs that the Instagram account purportedly hosted were instead, apparently, taken from the pages of various people who "liked" the restaurant's page on Facebook:

In a statement, the District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department said it was monitoring the situation and is “aware of general threats being made against this establishment.” The F.B.I. said it “does not confirm or deny the existence of investigations.”

Most troubling for Mr. Alefantis and staff has been the use of children’s images, pilfered from the restaurant’s social media pages and the personal accounts of friends who had “liked” Comet Ping Pong online. Those photos have been used across dozens of websites. Parents, who declined to talk publicly for fear of retribution, have hired lawyers to get the photos removed.

Some of the photographs were apparently taken from random web sites:

@HagmannPI Why did you lie? You showed a supposedly authentic picture, but it's from a website. So was everything a lie?? pic.twitter.com/YwqoXWYGKr

— Marla Craig (@marla_mulder) November 5, 2016

Alefantis also said many of the photographs were of children of family and friends, not patrons of Comet Ping Pong:

"The most sickening part of this vicious attack has been the stealing of Instagram images, Facebook images of children, minors, aged 5, 7, and 8 years old that are then slapped across their chat boards as nothing but pawns," Alefantis says. "Yes, it’s scary to be attacked, it’s dangerous for business, but it's disgusting and filthy of these people to be posting photos on these websites. ... Someone should be prosecuting these people."

Alefantis says the photos have been lifted from his personal social media accounts, and those of his friends and employees—not from the restaurant. "Kids in the restaurant are completely safe, none of these people are going there, they're cowards," he says, emphasizing that this scandal only exists on the internet. Inside the restaurant it's business as usual ... While Alefantis says he can weather the storm, he's concerned about others who may not have as much community backing as he does. "I personally worry for the individuals who are being attacked and smeared and slandered and maligned and for other independent businesses or restaurants who are less established than Comet."

Scattered evidence from previously leaked Podesta communications was included, such as an e-mail about children orphaned after 2010's catastrophic earthquake in Haiti (along with information about adoption agencies and trafficking), or another thread claiming Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and his brother Tony Podesta were purportedly in Portugal at the time Madeleine McCann disappeared.

Additional evidence was presented in collage format, visually "linking" unrelated Instagram screengrabs, a number of individuals supposedly involved, purported coded signaling for pedophiles (such as a butterfly or a "play, eat, drink" insignia which could be abbreviated "PED"), and assertions that underground tunnels linked adjacent business (which themselves also use pedophilia code in their materials):

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Imagery widely believed to be code for pedophiles to signal one another was a common theme in the myriad Pizzagate theories. Purported symbols such as butterflies and spirals were increasingly spotted in unrelated places, creating the impression that conspiracy was as vast as it was nebulous.

(As we have noted in the past, fear of "pedophile code" imagery is occasionally the basis for panic, but law enforcement officials believed that the symbols themselves are used among adults to signal preferences, not as labels for children, not as markers placing them in any danger.)

On 6 November 2016, Washington City Paper summarized the claims, noting that the rumors originated with long-circulating claims about Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, and confirming Alefantis' link to Brock:

Trump supporters on sites like Reddit and 4chan have long been looking for a stronger connection between Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein, a financial tycoon and sex offender whose plane Bill Clinton sometimes used. The Wikileaks release of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta's hacked emails inspired a feverish, and mostly hapless, search for salacious scandal evidence, while PolitiFact calls the evidence for a Clinton sex network "ridiculously thin."

Late this week, Trump supporters on 4chan and Reddit began to focus on "Pizzagate"— innocuous connections between Podesta and emails mentioning pizza that they claimed were far more sinister than they initially appeared.

Why, they wondered, did Podesta have a handkerchief with a "pizza-related" map on it? And why did Podesta get so many emails about eating pizza?

The answer to any reasonable person would be that Podesta eats pizza sometimes. Indeed, Alefantis says, "pizza's always a big thing in politics." ... To the alt right, though, "pizza" became a suspected code word for illegal sex trafficking. ... In one 2008 email released by Wikileaks, Alefantis thanked Podesta for attending a fundraiser at the restaurant but regretted not making him a pizza. That drew amateur theorists' attention to the restaurant's murals, which they declared "creepy," and the sliding doors in front of the restaurant's bathrooms, dubbed "hidden rooms."

In the period between 6 November 2016 and 21 November 2016, social media users continued to examine purported links to the pizzeria. Not long after Comet Ping Pong became the center of myriad ambiguous child abuse theories, the business' Yelp page was locked down by the site's operators, along with the following note:

This business recently made waves in the news, which often means that people come to this page to post their views on the news ... While we don’t take a stand one way or the other when it comes to these news events, we do work to remove both positive and negative posts that appear to be motivated more by the news coverage itself than the reviewer’s personal consumer experience with the business.

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By 15 November 2016, Alefantis told Washington City Paper the rumors showed no sign of abating, and had begun to affect adjacent venues (who were, according to the conspiracy theory, connected to the pizza restaurant by underground tunnels, apparently including a non-governmental organization across the street that works with Haitian orphans).

The Pizzagate/Comet Ping Pong social media investigation bore striking similarity to a similar Reddit-based panic concerning a "creepy day care" in January 2015. The Fun Time Kidz Day Care conspiracy quickly spiraled into offline harassment and in-person surveillance, but nothing came of the deeply scrutinized claims.

Although the Pizzagate controversy remains a high-interest conspiracy, we are unable to locate any substantive aspect of the claims that could be fact-checked or otherwise held up to the light to determine their veracity. And while rumors about pedophilia and child trafficking remain standard in urban folklore, roughly 90 percent [PDF] of assaults on children in the U.S. are committed by a friend or family member, a number reiterated by the United States Department of Justice. Most [PDF] abuse of the nature alleged is committed by family members, family friends, or other trusted adults — without the use of coded toys or pizzeria sex rings.

Originally published: 21 November 2016
sources:

Hayes, Laura. "The Consequences Of 'Pizza Gate' Are Real At Comet Ping Pong."
Washington City Paper. 15 November 2016.

[TargeT]

This looks pretty extensive to me ...

None of this elaborate conspiracy theory was true, as the New York Times noted:

None of it was true.......
However, the photographs that the Instagram account purportedly hosted were instead, apparently, taken from the pages of various people who "liked" the restaurant's page on Facebook:


Uh, except this IS podesta.. in the picture, in his house..

https://i1.wp.com/therealstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016-11-12-14_24_12-Films-TV-e1479230497330.png

Here's inside his house, from a Washington-Post photo shoot (http://washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05/inside-homes-private-viewing/):
https://i0.wp.com/washingtonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/WL_150430_48.jpg

See the painting of the girl in red...

He has several of these up in his house:
https://i.sli.mg/dBY95x.jpg

I won't go through the rest of this, it's obvious you have only read one side of the issue, the Snopes article references a NewYork Times article which references.... NOTHING. I already covered this in a post above that you didn't read.

Join the conversation ;)

But if you are avoiding the topic, I understand. That's fine, I wish I hadn't delved into this one much myself.

[the_real_dave-id]

Hey Fellow Aspirant,

Please watch the video posted by sunwings (post #5) and re-posted by TargeT (post #8). It explains why some people feel that the NYT article is not really saying anything substantial, so that the Snopes article quoting it cannot be either. Both are filled with blatant manipulation from my point of view. The video may not change your mind, but you may get some insight into where others are coming from on this.

[The Freedom Train]

This looks pretty extensive to me ...Claim: The 'Podesta e-mails' revealed the existence of a secret society of pedophiles operating through a pizza place loosely connected to Clinton associate David Brock. FALSE

I recently listened to a youtuber talking about the possibility that pizzagate is a psyop that will lead to an even more stringent crackdown on internet communications and alt media channels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf48D4dHgKg

While I found what the guy had to say possible, especially considering how he was in no way denying the existence of an elite pedo network, it's tough to come to any hard conclusions.

If you look at the data uncovered in the wikileaks emails, it really does not make sense. $65,000 to fly in pizza and hot dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House? Playing dominoes on cheese or pasta? The pizza map handkerchief? I mean, what in the hey are these people talking about?

Pizzagate may be a psyop, in which case, it is not "fakenews"- it is a manipulation of intelligent, caring people through very upsetting planted and fabricated evidence. Put all of that together with the very real BIZARRE and DISTURBING artwork that is commissioned and exhibited by these people, plus the whole spirit cooking connection, the social connections to known and convicted pedophiles, and the picture we get is very very dark.

We cannot argue against the fact that the elite pedo ring is very real. There is a lot of information out there about it - reading through all of the related threads that have been started recently on this forum, you will find so much information that it is really crazy to deny that it is a very real thing going on.

I beseech you, please take the time to do your research before deciding that it's all a sham.

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[Curious77]

To understand the very nature of our own government which engaged in genocide and slavery, kidnapping of native children -- using church schools to wipe their minds clean of their own language and relationships with their families, is to have some insight into what is happening in the US now.

It is organized patriarchal religions which underpin patriarchy which invented Satan.
It is a tool to frighten church members and children. That doesn't mean that violent rituals have not been raised around this belief. It shows us more, however, of the paranoia and fears and darkness of patriarchy which should be dealt with.

It is also impossible to deny that we have very large pedophile rings being broken up in every nation -- Australia, Norway, Belgium, UK -- all offering parallel experiences to what we are seeing here in the US. Unfortunately, courts have been very lenient with these sexual abusers and assaulters of children. Very quickly they are out on the streets again re-establishing their rings.


Alefantis is a very powerful figure in DC -- he's visited the White House 5 times and coincidentally, on the same day as Laura Silsby, who was caught trying to take 33 children out of Haiti, children in her care, but who were not orphans.
Hillary Clinton had a long interest in this individual and her organization.
http://truthfeed.com/breaking-clinton-foundation-tied-to-convicted-child-trafficker-laura-silsby-media-silent/34146/

Also --

https://steemit.com/silsby/@psychanaut/laura-silsby-child-trafficking-in-haiti-with-ties-to-clinton-is-now-laura-galyer-working-at-alertsense-amber-alerts


Who is Laura Silsby and why is she now working at Alert Sense, which provides technology for Amber Alerts and FEMA Emergency response systems under the name Laura Galyer? Why does it matter and what is the connection to Clinton/CGI/CF and #Pizzagate?

Laura Silsby was made famous for attempting to kidnap 33 children from Haiti after the devastating earthquake.

New Life Children's Refuge case

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: The New Life Children’s Refuge case was a legal case about an incident which occurred in the chaotic aftermath of the January 12th 2010 Haiti earthquake. On January 29, 2010, a group of ten American Baptist missionaries from Idaho attempted to cross the Haiti-Dominican Republic border with 33 Haitian children, most of whom were not even orphans and had families. The group, known as the New Life Children’s Refuge, did not have proper authorization for transporting the children and were arrested on child trafficking charges. The missionaries denied any wrongdoing and claimed that they were rescuing orphans and leading them to a Dominican hotel which was being transformed into an orphanage. Nine of the ten missionaries were later released but NLCR founder Laura Silsby remained incarcerated in Haiti. Her trial began on May 13 and the prosecution sought a 6-month prison term. On May 17, she was found guilty and sentenced to the time served in jail prior to the trial.

And . . .

For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th “most influential” person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it’s not just the frescoes in his restaurant or the “artists” he hosts there; it’s not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you’ll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate.

If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught “liking” several of Alefantis’ creepiest toddler Instagram posts?

Again, that could be dismissed – only there’s all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.

http://livingresistance.com/2016/11/24/legitimacy-pizzagate-child-sex-trafficking-ring-washington-dc/

One doesn't have to see very much of Tony Podesta's art to recognize that it is pedophilia. Don't be misled by those trying to suggest that it is "fine art." From a statue modeled on a victim of Jeffrey Dahmer, done in gold and hanging from the Podesta's ceiling, to endless paintings of children with red bottoms -- they are sadistic. And that also includes the painting in John Podesta office which suggests cannibalism.

These are not at all people who should be leaders of government nor involved in any way with children.

[Curious77]

Agree, Snopes is part of fake news.

[Curious77]

CEO NY Times Mark Thompson has come from the BBC where he helped cover up the Jimmy Saville scandal.
The NY Times is all but finished because it is fake news. They've vacated a lot of their building in fact, to rentals.


New York Times chief Mark Thompson leaves sex abuse scandal at BBC

Incoming NYT boss says he had no knowledge of allegations that one of Britain's biggest stars was a serial abuser of children

Mark Thompson isn't the luckiest of media CEOs. The incoming boss of the New York Times Company must not only deal with a financial squeeze and an escalating staff dispute; he has also been forced to watch out for an extraordinary storm in his rear-view mirror.

The BBC, where Thompson was director general until last month, is in the middle of a growing scandal involving a TV host who was once one of its highest-profile stars. But this tangle is not over a badly turned phrase or some other on-air mishap – it is about accusations that, for a period of decades, Britain's national broadcaster turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of young children perpetrated on its premises.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/oct/16/new-york-times-mark-thompson-jimmy-savile-bbc

or https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1437747