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Sunny-side-up

7th December 2016, 12:44

I'm starting this branch off post in relation to my 'Wish List' and the content of 'Ulli' and Verdilac' writtings. See bottom of this post.

Having seen vids of 'Ralph Ring' and his adventures with the 'Otis' 'OTC-X1 craft' I started day dreaming how wonderful it would be to have such a craft, how wonderful for all Avalonians to have such a craft (and of course the world as a whole)
We could all meet up and have face to face talks and conversations in such a way as to really gain insight and learn in the good old fashioned way. Verdilac mentioned in his reply to ulli

Verdilac wrote. I think the problem a lot of people may be having is there is nobody to bounce theories off in person & to come up with other angles of approach that would start things like fact finding missions, adventures & shared study. The disconnect may be happening because we are sat behind screens. This isn't a full communication experience for many people as it just doesn't give some what they need to learn, or come to conclusions they can trust 100%.

I think that is so true, we are becoming virtual minds trying to gain real stepping stones of the so called reality around us, a reality that every day can become more and more twisted as virtual merges with flesh and bones, bricks and mortar.

We could all meet up in Bills backyard/field :)

Even start a Avalon breakaway somewhere.

You can also see the problems such craft could/would create :sun:

Quotes from ulii and Verdilac

Re: Flat Earth Psychological Operations
Posted by ulli (here)
There is a world of fantasy, and the power of imagination is very real. We can enter it in dreams or trance states.
Unfortunately some can get trapped there and thus can never find real common ground with others, unless it is in the context of decrying the generally agreed-upon paradigm.
But it can never offer a map, at least not one that can be relied upon by all. Consensus there becomes impossible. It would also deny the existence of the five senses.
Meanwhile a person who has their basic sensual faculties functioning doesn't need to deny the existence of a sixth sense experience.

Verdilac
You know something ulli, I loved what you wrote. I think the problem a lot of people may be having is there is nobody to bounce theories off in person & to come up with other angles of approach that would start things like fact finding missions, adventures & shared study. The disconnect may be happening because we are sat behind screens. This isn't a full communication experience for many people as it just doesn't give some what they need to learn, or come to conclusions they can trust 100%.
And so when something else comes along that sounds exiting or different they change there opinion rapidly, even if they had a good basic grasp on some fundamental principals in the first place, that have served them well and helped them to realise a lot of things.

I know I'm not alone in saying that some of us on Avalon may feel quite isolated in our own communities and that may also go some way to explain our lack of common ground with others on some occasions. Even so on the forum at times as we seem to be all on different learning curves, which is quite a statement for a forum, a good one I would say.

I know I have went off track with what I was saying but I'm writing this as I liked what was said in the above posts, so thank you for bearing with me.

Ralph Ring Flying the OTC-X1 Spacecraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPlpraWslz0

Just how would our world and minds be here and now in 2016 with such technology?

norman

7th December 2016, 14:12

If everyone had their own private sport model, it would be madness. At least roads keep the high numbers of travelers organised.

I do like the idea of not having roads though. I think it's one of the most impacting things we humans have done to the wildlife.

Aurelius

7th December 2016, 15:37

halcyon026

7th December 2016, 17:36

Sunny-side-up

8th December 2016, 11:02

Quote Posted by norman (here)
If everyone had their own private sport model, it would be madness. At least roads keep the high numbers of travelers organised.

I do like the idea of not having roads though. I think it's one of the most impacting things we humans have done to the wildlife.

halcyon026
It is said that spaceships like these can phase out of 3D, meaning you wouldn't/couldn't run into other 3D objects or ships.

Thats right halcyon026
It is my understanding of such craft/tech that when travelling distances which can be reactively near or vast, is that they don't actually travel at all. They tune into the destinations frequency, then they are there :) It's teleporting. They can at lower power/intensity's hover and travel in a more conventional looking way and speed but even then they are no-solid :sun:

Sunny-side-up

8th December 2016, 14:09

Posted by Aurelius (here)

If anyone on this forum is serious about the OTC-X1, understanding / sharing knowledge related to this. I am happy to work / collaborate with them. I am in a unique position to be able to add a lot of insight and knowledge in this particular area .....

halcyon026
I am very interested. I'm curious how much detail you have on this? Like, do you have enough understanding to build a working one?

Your two above reply relate to mojo's post below.

It is a dangerous field to be in especially the development and building of Alternative tech.
This alone makes it very hard to get together and advance. Then if you get as far as making a Otis type craft what then? You test it and or fly it at which point you show on their special radars and pop, another few good people go nite-nite :(

Even here in Avalon do you know who you are chatting too and or who is reading the pages 0.o
I suggest you/we at least make an Avalon group based around this tech and or possible projects.

Danger in UFO research? By mojo

Seems a strong word to use "danger." In the past famous UFO researchers have come under attack.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94867-Danger-in-UFO-research

Sunny-side-up

8th December 2016, 18:14

Funny, was just out shopping with the wife in a department store. I was thinking away about the Otis craft and R. Ring stuff when I noticed we where in an Otis lift o.0
not the same otis but coincidence that made me smile.

Thinking of my comment above about an Avalon group this name came to me:

Otis-Ring.
As in 'Otis T Carr and Ralph Ring, So simple.:sun:

1Watchman

9th December 2016, 01:27

I think many of us are star seeds and most just dont know it

Flash

9th December 2016, 01:35

You are calling her "the wife"!?

I am not sure I would like to be teleported with someone calling me "the" anything, the apple, the table, the wife. :p Not sure I would end up at the right destination...

Funny, was just out shopping with the wife in a department store. I was thinking away about the Otis craft and R. Ring stuff when I noticed we where in an Otis lift o.0
not the same otis but coincidence that made me smile.

Thinking of my comment above about an Avalon group this name came to me:

Otis-Ring.
As in 'Otis T Carr and Ralph Ring, So simple.:sun:

Red Skywalker

9th December 2016, 20:19

If anyone on this forum is serious about the OTC-X1, understanding / sharing knowledge related to this. I am happy to work / collaborate with them. I am in a unique position to be able to add a lot of insight and knowledge in this particular area .....

I am very interested to compare my basic insights with yours. I understand the basic dynamics of the forces. These dynamics are the same for every design like the Fluxliner of which Mark Mark McCandlish talks about and also the (overloaded) generator of John Searl. The OTC-X1 too creates the same dynamics. The designs use different methods but the resulting 'propulsion'-fields are the same. Drunvalo Melchizedek called it the 'Mer Ka Ba' or lightbody field.

Years ago I made an animation, the straight lines are of electrical (charge) nature and the rounded, spiral lines are of magnetic nature:

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This is only the center. It's expands into further layers. It's is not as perfect as it should be, but I think I was zooming in.

Another source is my thread in 2011 on this forum. I revere sometimes to it to give an idea of my thinking:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31614-Asking-assistance-for-metaphysical-sacred-geometry-ideas&p=322141#post322141

However that was in 2011 and much more understanding came by studying the Electric and Holographic Universe.

So, we can continue here or start a new thread "The possible new implosion physics of time/space and consciousness discussed" :idea:

The most info I could find on the OTC-X1, including drawings, is here:

http://rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm

One thing Otis Carr left us was a metaphoric story of the OTC-X1 workings:

http://projectcamelot.org/dimensions_of_mystery_otis_carr.pdf

Efforts in translating this are being made. I am too still trying...

I know that Ralph Ring works with investigating groups called 'pods'. I don't know a way to contact them or find any links.

Aurelius

10th December 2016, 15:27

<snip>

One thing Otis Carr left us was a metaphoric story of the OTC-X1 workings:

http://projectcamelot.org/dimensions_of_mystery_otis_carr.pdf

Efforts in translating this are being made. I am too still trying...

a lot of people give up on DoM, they see it as poetic, metaphysical or esoteric content, it has all these aspects, it is a masterpiece, but most importantly as per page 64:

"For contained within these pages in simple words and phrases, yet hard to decipher, are the complete specifications for a fourth dimensional gravity engine that utilizes the straight line and the curve!"

it is what it says on the tin!
... it is a specification.

one needs to understand the allegory Otis uses & what it maps to.

ps. nothing is done unintentional in DoM, take notice of everything.

<snip>

... like the Fluxliner

<snip>

.... (overloaded) generator of John Searl.

Drunvalo Melchizedek .....

<snip>

... straight lines are of electrical (charge) nature and the rounded, spiral lines are of magnetic nature

<snip>

.... the Electric and Holographic Universe.

one of the best pieces of advice i can give to anyone attempting to embark on this , is to put aside all the knowledge & understanding one has. spend time trying to understand the concepts and principles Otis is attempting to convey. this may not always be easy, as with most self-taught people, they use their own language and frames of reference. his understanding may be incorrect or incomplete in some areas, but stick with it. not all the info Otis had was his own. when you feel you have a good handle on what he describes, then bring in your existing knowledge & understanding at attempt to map / correlate.

background information: DoM (http://clandestinedisclosure.com/Docs/Dimensions%20of%20Mystery%20-%20Otis%20T.%20Carr%20-%201958.pdf), his interviews (http://hello-earth.com/otistcarr/otistcarr.html), the plans (http://clandestinedisclosure.com/Docs/OTC-X1%20plansCOMPLETE.pdf), pamphlets (http://clandestinedisclosure.com/Docs/Atoms%20for%20Peace%20Landscape.pdf), other (http://clandestinedisclosure.com/Docs/OTC-X1%20PATENT.pdf) bits (http://www.teslacollection.com/tesla_articles/1891/electrical_engineer_ny/nikola_tesla/notes_on_a_unipolar_dynamo) n bobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trgY5HoC9QA) ..

the X1 utilises conventional understanding and also non-conventional understanding, in its design & operation.

some useful tidbits:

what's special about the utron? for what purpose was it chosen?

what is OX? ... what does it really mean?

isn't it strange the title that was chosen for DoM?

why all the fuss about bee's?

at a high-level the X1 comprises 4 components: gravity, electro-magnetism, electro-motive force, electro-chemical.

the X1 can be embodied in a different forms, evolved & optimised, but one needs to start somewhere.

the X1 is a mini solar system replica (principles)

what is Suzanne? (Cs) Robert? etc.

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I know that Ralph Ring works with investigating groups called 'pods'. I don't know a way to contact them or find any links.

some learning's i took away from my involvement in the "pod's":

cast away all your scientific belief systems ... but maintain your reasoning / logic !

focus - expect every imaginable distraction to be thrown at you when working in this direction. (Archon?)

don't waste people's time - get serious, get focused, do your research / homework beforehand.

sometimes one may not be ready for certain information, when you 1st stumble upon it, it may seem unimportant or irrelevant, later on, when you re-visit it, if you are ready for it, you will realise the significance & importance.

make good notes. this can easily become a "double digit" year endeavor.

think, think, think, walk then run ... don't be too hasty to build, it may get you nowhere and probably cost you a lot of money. iterative vs big-bang.

perseverance - belief is not enough, sometimes you need to "know".

be careful when you mix spiritual and scientific/technical people together, one can loose direction and momentum quite easily. though this tech eventually does bring both these realms together.

with most people doing this in their spare time, with limited time & budget and other commitments - things may never happen - be creative

give more than you take

try to have fun

Red Skywalker

10th December 2016, 21:31

a lot of people give up on DoM, they see it as poetry or metaphysical or esoteric, it has all these aspects, it is a masterpiece, but most importantly as per page 64:

"For contained within these pages in simple words and phrases, yet hard to decipher, are the complete specifications for a fourth dimensional gravity engine that utilizes the straight line and the curve!"

it is what it says on the tin!
... it is a specification.

one needs to understand the allegory he uses & what it maps to.

Yes, I am familiar with this! It does remind me to the works of Walter Russel who said: "the cube (straight lines, electrical) and the sphere (curves, magnetic) are the sole working tools of Creation". I think 'OX' points to that (O = curve, sphere and X = straight lines, cubes or Buckminster Fullers Cubes of Equilibrium).

one of the best pieces of advice i can give to anyone attempting to embark on this , is to put aside all the knowledge & understanding one has. spend time trying to understand the concepts and principles Otis is attempting to convey. this may not always be easy, as with most self-taught people, they use their own language and frames of reference. his understanding may be incorrect or incomplete in some areas, but stick with it. not all the info Otis had was his own. when you feel you have a good handle on what he describes, then bring in your existing knowledge & understanding at attempt to map / correlate.

I agree, I have my own difficulties in finding a language with understandable frames of references to explain my thoughts on the theory in my mind.

For example:

"The Infinite Absorption Force of the Absolute Cold Nothingness, or frozen empty space, is the creating force for all possible universes, from the extreme small to the extreme big over all times, that can be observed by the Observer. All these universes and possibilities are available now, but exist only when Observed. There is no Time. Time is experienced due to the voyages of The Observer through itself because The Observer is also created by and part of this one and only Infinite Absorption Force.
What is The Observer? Hint: It's you and me and the atoms and the stars. Anything is The Observer and there is no 'dead' matter, simply because it is 'Observed'! Like a hologram coming into view when lightened with a laser."

Now, who can follow this? If somebody does, then I hope to be on the right track, whatever my ideas are right or wrong.

One thing I understand is that when working with contraptions like Otis OTC-X1, you are working with living machinery. I think DoM points also to that.

the X1 is a mini solar system replica (principles)

Because really anything works on the same geometrical forms of the vibrating field of force. (vibrating due to the dynamics of the unstable Buckminster Fuller cube of equilibrium)

cast away all your scientific belief systems ... but maintain your reasoning.

Yes, science to me is now primitive, there are other logic ways for understanding what is scientifically observed.

focus - expect every imaginable distraction to be thrown at you when working in this direction. (Archon?)

Absolutely, had my personal black helicopter encounter and other distractions in the form of 'time-stealing'; no available time to think in this direction.

don't waste people's time - get serious, get focused, do your research / homework beforehand.

Indeed, don't push it to people, most of them are not prepared to a complete different, but when understood, easier paradigm.

sometimes you are not ready for certain information, when you 1st stumble upon it, it may seem unimportant or irrelevant, later on when you are ready for it, you will realize the significance & importance.

Resulting in later flashes of insight and recognition. Sometimes it feels as if working in reverse time, from future to past.

think, think, think, walk then run ... don't be too hasty to build, it may get you nowhere and probably cost you a lot of money. iterative vs big-bang.

Still thinking, already for more then 20 years. Not yet ready for practical tests. As advised, it would be a waste of time and money.

perseverance - belief is not enough, sometimes you need to "know".

As Fox Mulder's poster says: "I want to believe". NO, I want to know!

be careful when you mix spiritual and scientific/technical people together, one can loose direction and momentum quite easily. though this tech eventually does bring both these realms together.

Definitively good advice!

with most people doing this in their spare time, with limited time & budget and other commitments - things may never happen - be creative

See my earlier pics in the other thread of 2011. And these are just a small part.
It was fun to make them and I used my creativity. Also in making stories trying to explain my ideas.

Thanks for the links, I'll see what more is to be found!

Now something completely different and yet the same principles apply to the force under laying the Creation and mechanical apparatus like the OTC-X1.
Just because it is all the same:

Golden Mean, Fractals And DNA - Dan Winter

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