I Think Something Has Gone Wrong With Our Timeline...

[jagman]

Hello Avalon,

(Something) Shifted or changed our timeline on November 8, 2016?
Donald Trump should not have won the election. Some of you know
that I practice numerology which I learned from world famous
numerologist Glynis McCants. I've done the numbers over and over
and I keep coming to the same conclusion? Hillary should be President.
This has nothing to do with my politics because I voted for Trump
Knowing he would lose! I even helped his Campaign by giving them
political advice, (They took my advice on 3 different occasions.) They
actually wanted to meet with me so I could become an elector lol.


I turned them down and pretty much left the net. It's just not the
numbers either. We have Astrologers here on PA who will tell you
that Hillary had a much better astrology chart than Trump and
most of the astrologers were all calling for Hillary to win!

Majority of Psychics were also wrong! Bookies were wrong also!

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter
how improbable, must be the truth."

Going off that assertion, I feel our timeline has somehow shifted?
I will check on this thread tomorrow and in a few weeks I'm coming
back to PA on a more regular basis...

[Gillian]

I think the timeline shifts frequently, not only globally, but personally.

[The Freedom Train]

I, too, thought that Hillary was going to win.

As for shifting timelines, I am anxiously awaiting a timeline shift in favor of our collective survival!!!!

[WhiteLove]

Hello Avalon,

(Something) Shifted or changed our timeline on November 8, 2016?
Donald Trump should not have won the election. Some of you know
that I practice numerology which I learned from world famous
numerologist Glynis McCants. I've done the numbers over and over
and I keep coming to the same conclusion? Hillary should be President.
This has nothing to do with my politics because I voted for Trump
Knowing he would lose! I even helped his Campaign by giving them
political advice, (They took my advice on 3 different occasions.) They
actually wanted to meet with me so I could become an elector lol.


I turned them down and pretty much left the net. It's just not the
numbers either. We have Astrologers here on PA who will tell you
that Hillary had a much better astrology chart than Trump and
most of the astrologers were all calling for Hillary to win!

Majority of Psychics were also wrong! Bookies were wrong also!

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter
how improbable, must be the truth."

Going off that assertion, I feel our timeline has somehow shifted?
I will check on this thread tomorrow and in a few weeks I'm coming
back to PA on a more regular basis...

There was a misunderstanding among the general public during the election. This was to a great degree the belief that the candidate that had most media behind him/her would get elected. What the general public misunderstood was that the media is not only a tool for control, it is also a tool for manipulation. In both cases it projects ideas that are false towards the people. So in other words, in the case of the US presidential election the media was used to manipulate the public by creating the appearance of bias, rather than actual bias. The actual bias was always towards Trump, but in manipulating the public by creating the appearance of bias towards Clinton, they were able to create momentum towards Trump, which was what they always wanted.

A major cause why the world is not at peace at this point is deception - the fact that the false is not just false, but false in advanced ways so, in ways too advanced for normal people to figure out, in ways too advanced for people in power to figure out. That is the issue.

Our entire future as a human race depends on how well we collectively are busting the deception that is going on - deception that is driven by various types of intelligence.

[sunwings]

In an earlier post jagman you wrote Donald wins on election night. What changed with the numbers?



So you actually think Drumpf is Not Part of the Establishment, being used to drive us into the arms of Clinton?

One word: Suckers

Women are going to make sure Drumpf doesn't win, but the alternative is just as bad. Clinton for president?

One word: Gross

There is no polarity here. There is only the system giving us fake "choices" that ensure the system wins.

Whoever wins, it will continue to suck, big time. In case you hadn't noticed, a change in power, produces no change. The agenda flows as usual, downhill, with ever increasing velocity. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the middle class dwindles, and the genocidal agenda against the planet Earth and the human race continues without pause.

I've never watched Megyn Kelly, but I'm sure I have Drumpf Derangement Syndrome, and proud of it!

I'll be so glad when the voting day circus has come and gone. Then we can quit "destroying" each other with lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

A real Man's man? Seriously?

Be careful, you might return as a woman married to Drumpf's next incarnation. :pound:

I swore to myself I would not get involved in the political porn, but geez, please wake up! :doh:

Trust me lol, Drumpf is Hilary's best friend, ever. Whoever set up this scenario is brilliant.

No matter who wins, we lose. :frusty:

Sierra

Sorry to disappoint Sierra but I already did the numbers for Donald and Hillary
and Donald wins on election day!

[Bill Ryan]

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Maybe something has gone right with our timeline. :)

* Very interesting deep background to all this. (Fascinating, even.) I do think all Avalonians should read this report from Dec 2007, about Hillary winning the 2008 election... another thing that never happened, and which would have been more than a global catastrophe:


http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

[OMG]

What if something finally went RIGHT...and all of the old patterns and paradigms of prediction and control were a result of the luciferain and draconian hologrid reality matrix that is breaking down?

Maybe it's all about Novelty...AND the Golden Rule.

:popcorn:

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I have been thinking along these lines also. Maybe something went right. Everyone knows Hillary and the Clinton in general are doing some horrific things, and don't forget, for the past 30 odd years US Presidency have been 2 families (excluding Obama).

The other thing I have been considering, is that, instead of a politician, you have a businessman in charge now. he knows how to make money (also how to lose it) but he has a different skill set, and has less to blackmail him with than the others. It could very well be a good thing.

[TargeT]

Maybe something has gone right with our timeline. :)


This is what I was just thinking when reading the OP. Thing sure seem to be "looking up" now vrs the doom and gloom from a few years ago; plus my personal life is following suit.

[Bluegreen]

Maybe something has gone right with our timeline. :)


What if something finally went RIGHT...


Maybe something went right.

I would suggest that those reading these words right now might not have been doing so X number of years ago and that in itself is a small step AND a giant leap

:)

[DebJoy]

I had a strong sense the day or two after the election, that our timeline had shifted. We were out walking along the Tomebamba river in Cuenca Ecuador, and the atmosphere/environment was very different, in a very good and very startling way. So much that I noticed it. I commented on that to my husband, and said that it felt that our timeline had changed for the better. I've never said anything like that before.

I didn't think Trump would win. I thought, especially during the primaries and at the DNC, with the obvious corruption so blatantly paraded, that the powers that be (or were) had orchestrated it sufficiently that Hillary would "win". Apparently even with their obvious rigging in so many ways, they had not tweaked the systems enough to ensure her winning. The media was blatantly controlled as well, and you know how people like to vote for the winner :) Especially since it was time to move past the "racist" and on to "sexist" guilting. In spite of all the obvious red flags with her poor health, lack of energy, horrendous and numerous criminal activities that were surfacing in so many ways. To me, Hillary losing represents the saying no to the Cabal/Illuminati etc. Is Trump the answer - probably not the final one, but he was the only other option at the time, and represented "saying no" to the ingrained mind controlled timeline that was being perpetuated. Many more people are waking up, and dealing with their cognitive dissonance in admirable ways - it takes guts and let's remember what it took for any of us to "wake up" finally. And we're still waking up...

I was shocked at my reaction and noticing of this different timeline/energy during our walk, and I'm curious if others experienced similar energetic feelings.

[Satori]

As my wife is my witness, I never doubted that Trump would "win" the [s]election. Where it goes from here is anybody's guess.

[angelfire]

My son told me that when he woke up on the morning following the election, he felt that a deep calm had descended and settled and attributed this to a Trump win.
I feel we have shifted to a more positive timeline and one which the cabal had not been planning for. If Hillary had been elected we would now be involved in ww3.

[Flowerpunkchip]

I myself was delighted that Hillary didn't win.
She represents the worst kind of person on this planet.

I hope Trump doesn't disappoint my American friends (and everyone else for that matter) but do watch this video by The Corbett Report.

"Trump has named Steven Mnuchin as his Treasury Secretary. So who is Mnuchin, and what does his background tell us about his ideology and what kind of administration Trump is assembling? Today we talk to Michael Krieger of LibertyBlitzkrieg.com about Mnuchin's career, his Goldman Sachs and Soros ties, and his shady business practices, as well as the other people being appointed to helm the Trump White House."

Maybe Trump is making a genius move by having such people by his side or he is a cog of the repugnant machine. I myself, am staying positive.
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I like the fact he is hiring Romney despite what he said about Trump during the campaign with Trump insisting that "it's not about revenge, it's about what is good for the country"

[DeDukshyn]

Maybe something has gone right with our timeline. :)


This is what I was just thinking when reading the OP. Thing sure seem to be "looking up" now vrs the doom and gloom from a few years ago; plus my personal life is following suit.

Maybe not "looking up" as of yet but the process of "shaking up" everything seems to be in full swing. How the ashes settle is the million dollar question ... I was in a brief discussion today with a coworker and we were discussing the positives for humanity if globalization was done correctly. Huanity will not move past certain issue within our consciousness if we don't dissolve concepts of "borders" and "us vs them" etc. All of which are true and I fully see globalization as an inevitability in getting to that point where humanity is finally on track and properly exploring and creating in this realm. However, I mentioned to him, the problem isn't globalization in itself, its that there's a bunch of sharks assisting it along with the intentions of "owning it" at some point ... what a dilemma. However the best bet we have right now is to shake everything up and see what falls from the woodwork ...

[mojo]

Is it safe to say the timeline can be affected somehow? If so how? If you say yes does that mean time travel is possible and if time travel is possible are there rules for governing any changes to time otherwise there would probably be chaos. Say for instance the beginning and ending is already written....

[amor]

The American people who have decent families, the pensioners living on half a shoe string, and those out there even vaguely in touch with the principals of Christianity and the Golden Rule were given no quarter by the Communist/Socialists Fifth Columnists inserted into every phase of this country from before the days of McCarthy, who was right about a Communist takeover of the Country. It was a ball-faced take-down of America's morals and way of life planned by the Council on Foreign Relations and their PAID Think Tanks. For years the Ford Foundation worked on subverting America. Why people voted the way they did was no mystery. Decent people want morals in their lives and in the lives of their children. They do not wish to be thrown out of their homes for which they have sacrificed everything in order to house Brainwashed, Stone-age, Hooligans with nothing in their empty brains but Murder. Sexual perversion, child murder, torture and cannibalism and then Beastiality, quickly turning the world into Sodom and Gomorrah was the last straw for the silent majority. At 77, I determined that although I had never voted, I would storm heaven and vote a straight Republican ticket to get the communist democrats OUT! If the Timeline Changed, it is because a great many people saw the horrible handwriting on the wall---Babylon was about to Fall. If the world is to have a New World Order, it must be that America is moving UPWARD and pulling the rest of the world with it, and not the OPPOSITE.

[Justplain]

I know that channeled info is not popular here, however i recently listened to a relevant Kryon message. He calls Trump a 'wildcard' (a tool that helps with the spiritual developnent of the planet, this can be a person or invention or event). He says that this wildcard is meant to accelerate humanity's spiritual evolution so that it doesnt take multiple generations for us to reach the next level. He says that wildcards appear when we are collectively ready. Perhaps this is why the election defies numerological and astrological predictions. He also says that the impact of this current wildcard is still underway, and just watch for further unexpected ramifications.

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[justntime2learn]

Perhaps something went right with our timeline ?

I remember asking if we jumped timelines after Trump won the election as I was in disbelief.

[Justplain]

One other thing, regarding the survival our civilization, Yogananda in his autobiography refers to the biblical account 'Sodom and Gomorrah' where God said that if there were ten good people in the town it would be spared. There werent enough good people and the town was destroyed. Yogananda concluded the reason why India's civilization, which was the contemporary of several ancient, extinct societies, such as Babylon, Sumeria and Egypt, still survived is because there were enough truly good people there.

I would say the same principle applies now. Do you personally know any really good people? I know you do. That is one of the main reasons we are still here, and not gone the way of Atlantis (and other civilizations). We are good enough. We can throw off the mantle of wickedness that has ruled our world for so long. Perhaps that is why our timeline's probable outcome has improved.

[Enola]

I didn't really pay much attention to the election soap opera. I like to think it doesn't really matter much who gets elected president. But one thing I noticed was how people in my family, and people I knew, had mini-break downs at the thought he would win, and when he won.

It was like there was no objective media coverage, either. I don't think I even saw anything that wasn't angled in a negative way. He was always doing something stupid, or was pictured looking like a pig, etc. It's almost as if they tried to carry out a form of magic where the collective unconscious would ensure he didn't win. Only it didn't work.

I suspect this has a lot to do with the impact he could have on the EU, too. In Europe the main concern seems to be to sustain the EU and preferably expand it. So there's complete doom and gloom.

[bluestflame]

maybe the great discordance many sensative to it are feeling is THEM , the ones that were behind hillary , many people still sitting in a symbyotic energetic connection where they have not yet recoignised nor detatched from unconscious energetic connections ...

[Enola]

I think so.

When I said to my sister it would have been war if Hillary had won she snapped at me it's that way with them all. It's weird how everyone are taking it so personally. But it would be hard not to be emotionally affected if you followed the whole media drama.

I didn't really think his victory would make any difference, but now I'm starting to feel a bit optimistic. It would be hard not to.

[Daughter of Time]

The 3D timeline has been dissolving for years now.

This dissolution is said to have started early in new century/millenium, approx. 2005 and gained momentum in 2012. The current timeline is now passing through 4D which means a lot of planetary chaos and will continue at this rate of daily upheavals, surprises and disclosures for at least another year, at which point we are to enter the 5D timeline which will usher in a more positive way of existence, that is, for those of us who survive this planetary dark night of the soul.

In the 3D timeline, Hillary would be president. We have Julian Assange to thank for facilitating this area of the collapse and further pushing the shift in the political arena. I'm very grateful to that man for all he has done and hopefully will continue to do. May he be well and may he be protected at every level.

So, when we used to hear that 2012 was the end of the world, we now know that it was the beginning of the end of the timeline we were in.

If all goes according to divine cosmic plan, we will be able to say "good bye" to 3D timeline by 2018. That would be a good thing!

Since you delve into Astrology, Jagman, then you know many changes are at hand, like, 13 astrological signs instead of 12? And that's kind of "off-topic" but not really, since the 13 signs will be implemented into the new timeline.

With love,

Daughter of Time

[ghostrider]

The ptb have been tinkering with time since 2011 ... everything is upside down and backwards...

[lilac]

I definitely felt an energetic shift. I saw 11:11 3 times on election day. It was hard to miss that it must be about the election. Here is a very interesting astrological take on the dimensional shift: 5D Astrology Report December 2016 - Reconnected to the Grid.pdf hmmm, you may have to copy and paste this title. Sorry, I don't buy the 13 signs info, but I have heard quite a bit of noise about a new planet coming into focus. Astrologers sense it's presence, but no physical appearance as yet.

[meat suit]

we are most likely inside a virtual reality construct.
the most useful thing about that is that the operator of that 'reality' could copy and paste the entire set to see whet happens after certain changes.
in the context of this thread, most likely there is a parralel reality where Hillary has won... we are in it too...

[ElfeMya]

Hello Avalon,

(Something) Shifted or changed our timeline on November 8, 2016?
Donald Trump should not have won the election. Some of you know
that I practice numerology which I learned from world famous
numerologist Glynis McCants. I've done the numbers over and over
and I keep coming to the same conclusion? Hillary should be President.
This has nothing to do with my politics because I voted for Trump
Knowing he would lose! I even helped his Campaign by giving them
political advice, (They took my advice on 3 different occasions.) They
actually wanted to meet with me so I could become an elector lol.


I turned them down and pretty much left the net. It's just not the
numbers either. We have Astrologers here on PA who will tell you
that Hillary had a much better astrology chart than Trump and
most of the astrologers were all calling for Hillary to win!

Majority of Psychics were also wrong! Bookies were wrong also!

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter
how improbable, must be the truth."

Going off that assertion, I feel our timeline has somehow shifted?
I will check on this thread tomorrow and in a few weeks I'm coming
back to PA on a more regular basis...

Yes it shifted. It is just the beginning. Expect turbulences though. I believe psychics and numbers were attuned on the previous paradigm and were totally aligned in that respect. Thanks for bringing that up.

[transiten]

Are things going "right" with a president who is against the trade unions, against minimum wages and will reopen coalmines among other things? What strange opinions coming from Avalonians:facepalm:

[ulli]

The 3D timeline has been dissolving for years now.

This dissolution is said to have started early in new century/millenium, approx. 2005 and gained momentum in 2012. The current timeline is now passing through 4D which means a lot of planetary chaos and will continue at this rate of daily upheavals, surprises and disclosures for at least another year, at which point we are to enter the 5D timeline which will usher in a more positive way of existence, that is, for those of us who survive this planetary dark night of the soul.

In the 3D timeline, Hillary would be president. We have Julian Assange to thank for facilitating this area of the collapse and further pushing the shift in the political arena. I'm very grateful to that man for all he has done and hopefully will continue to do. May he be well and may he be protected at every level.

So, when we used to hear that 2012 was the end of the world, we now know that it was the beginning of the end of the timeline we were in.

If all goes according to divine cosmic plan, we will be able to say "good bye" to 3D timeline by 2018. That would be a good thing!

Since you delve into Astrology, Jagman, then you know many changes are at hand, like, 13 astrological signs instead of 12? And that's kind of "off-topic" but not really, since the 13 signs will be implemented into the new timeline.

With love,

Daughter of Time

I agree with you on everything, except the 13 signs. Yes, there are 13 constellations. But the constellations in the sky were always nothing more than the roadsigns for the more hidden areas that mark the 30 degrees per sign, and the equinoxes and solstices. Aries begins at the Spring equinox, and that point is no longer found in the constellation of Aries.

Constellation astrology was accurate thousands of years ago when astrology was first introduced. But since then there has been some considerable shifting, due to the progression of the equinoxes.

So now astrology is divided between those who see it as a mathematical formula (mostly the left-brain, scientifically oriented) and those who are more imagery-oriented, using ancient mythology and myth, and not so much the exactness of the numbers and geometric angle system.

I know that absolute truth lies somewhere in between those poles, so I won't dismiss the thirteenth sign outright, but it will be harder to find a consensus amongst astrologers if one focuses on the thirteen constellations, and not the mathematical basis of the cosmic order.
People believe what they want, and their beliefs will then help create a greater reality as they manage to increase their numbers towards a critical mass.

To establish enough unity, i.e. a crowd large enough that can then use this hidden knowlege to create a common reality that brings justice and fairness to all means that mathematical formulas are a must, or everyone will wander in an endlessly incoherent world of their inner and very personal imagination, never finding common ground, but the strongest imposing their vision on the weakest.
This is ok, and should not be denied, but only up to a point, where adulthood begins. By itself it simply cannot solve the collective problems facing the world today.

[Bluegreen]

Is things going "right" with a president who is against the trade unions, against minimum wages and will reopen coalmines among other things? What strange opinions coming from Avalonians:facepalm:

Wouldn't disagree
Except for this


One other thing, regarding the survival our civilization, Yogananda in his autobiography refers to the biblical account 'Sodom and Gomorrah' where God said that if there were ten good people in the town it would be spared. There werent enough good people and the town was destroyed. Yogananda concluded the reason why India's civilization, which was the contemporary of several ancient, extinct societies, such as Babylon, Sumeria and Egypt, still survived is because there were enough truly good people there.

I would say the same principle applies now. Do you personally know any really good people? I know you do. That is one of the main reasons we are still here, and not gone the way of Atlantis (and other civilizations). We are good enough. We can throw off the mantle of wickedness that has ruled our world for so long. Perhaps that is why our timeline's probable outcome has improved.

[syrwong]

There is an 'explanation'. The controllers of the world are madmen at the steering wheel of spaceship Earth. They turn the wheel in different directions all the time to confuse the Earth people and may be they are confused too. The object is always WW3 to end the old world and start the new age of NWO. But thru whom, Trump or Hillary？ Both have merits.
1. Trump with his temperament and boldness without considering consequences is best fit as the commander in chief. The strong male Yang energy of leading a great war.
2. Hillary on the other hand has the magic and great negative Yin energy to control the energy of the world as well as casting deception. To borrow Simon Parks' idea, she together with May of Britain and Merkel of Germany can form a magic feminine triad that is invincible for whatever occult reasons.

The divining may still be correct given the madness in the current world. Who knows what the electors will vote for? And I think that if Trump fails to survive to inaugurate, Hillary will be the president automatically.

[Bill Ryan]

To borrow Simon Parkes' idea, she [Hillary] together with May of Britain and Merkel of Germany can form a magic feminine triad that is invincible for whatever occult reasons.

Well, that may not be what we need or want!


I think that if Trump fails to survive to inaugurate, Hillary will be the president automatically.

If, having been elected, he were to die or become incapacitated before inauguration, just as in the case of an assassinated sitting President in office (e.g. JFK), the Presidency would automatically be taken up by the formally nominated Vice President. It wouldn't go to the defeated rival in the polls.

[Sunny-side-up]

I think the best aspect of having Trump is, he will/is dislodging a lot of the old PTW and that side of corruption. In the end that will do good I think.
As for Hillary, well she would have increased corruption for personal gain and power and would have caused more unjust wars, not that there has ever been just wars!

I personally DISlike all of them.
The time line was messed up hundreds if not thousands of years ago, in one way or another, and it was our collective fault. The collective is now starting to shine positively now hence our golden future.

Governments, Civil Servants,
They should have new names/titles:

The title 'Civil Servants' is a joke.
They are neither Civil or Servants, they are/have been the very opposite.

The name Government = Control-Mind, Mind-Control.
If we can replace that name with something more in line with a more a positive, humane aligned intent, we might then start to increase a loving, caring mind set.

I think we keep doing what we doing in our own little or big ways, it's a positive shift :sun:

[TargeT]

Is it safe to say the timeline can be affected somehow?

I believe this is what predictive programming is all about, trying to coax the timeline into a reality that certain things happen by injecting them fractally into the pattern (some times for years, apparently).


If so how?
9/11 is a great example, all the predictive programming and fractal injections of 2 buildings & planes... the ritual seemed to have worked.


If you say yes does that mean time travel is possible and if time travel is possible are there rules for governing any changes to time otherwise there would probably be chaos. Say for instance the beginning and ending is already written....

I don't know how those two are related at all.

However.

I'm fairly certain that time doesn't exist and that the beginning and ending is already "written" in fact it all exists at the same "time" in the same "place". But that's some crazy extra dimensional talk there.

[dim]

Is things going "right" with a president who is against the trade unions, against minimum wages and will reopen coalmines among other things? What strange opinions coming from Avalonians:facepalm:

It's absolutely right and right on time, it's mirroring the state of mind of the average human, self indulgence, confusion, survival, power and control hungry.
I'm surprised that's not even worse. In a sense means the transitioning is slow (and tedious).



This is what it's like when a species prepares to depart for the stars. You don't depart for the stars under calm and orderly conditions; it's a fire in a madhouse.

1998 - Terence Mckenna
the rest of it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLKyOnypzE4)

(i stopped counting how many times i did quote this)

[TargeT]

It's absolutely right and right on time, it's mirroring the state of mind of the average human, self indulgence, confusion, survival, power and control hungry.
I'm surprised that's not even worse. In a sense means the transitioning is slow (and tedious).


I see this much differently.

For those of you that are not paying close attention, you'll miss (http://www.infowars.com/trump-trolls-media-into-savaging-hillary-clinton/)the very clever (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-birther-obama-press-conference) "trolling" (http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/09/17/media-deserved-epic-trolling-just-got-served-donald-trump/) that is being done by DJT... his "flag burning" troll job, (http://www.westernjournalism.com/trump-trolls-media-flag-burning-tweet-media-ignores-hillary-clinton-held-view/) his speeches; he's performing high level chess moves (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/how_trump_played_the_media.html) while wearing a clown costume. Its a level of subtly we've never seen from a POTUS.


Idiots don't become billionaires, look for the genius; it's there.... I'm sure this extends to his public comments and cabinet selections... but then, I'm also willing to wait and see.



The title 'Civil Servants' is a joke.


I've been a Civil Servant for 13 years now, lets not get too broad with our brush strokes ;)

[7alon]

I want things to get better, but I'm not yet convinced Trump will do anything. I'm just very suspicious still.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Yes, my alternate selves attest to this fact.

I take the crap so they can further themselves.

This entity I am has splintered off the timelines countless times, clearing the route for my alternate selves in alternate realities. It is theonly thing that keeps me going. They are appreciative of my function. Sometimes they throw me a bone to help me get by.

They are going to owe me big time when I get back from this lifetime.

Do timelines split? oh yes they do - continuously.

[Mandala]

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Maybe something has gone right with our timeline. :)

* Very interesting deep background to all this. (Fascinating, even.) I do think all Avalonians should read this report from Dec 2007, about Hillary winning the 2008 election... another thing that never happened, and which would have been more than a global catastrophe:


http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html


Bill I'm with you on this one. I believe we talked about it a while back. Hillary winning was an extremely destructive timeline and I was praying it hadn't been delayed. I think this could be a more positive line for us. To make sure, we have to have our consciousness believing and stating it is "positive". What we think is what "it" becomes.
Intention.

[mojo]

Thanks for taking on the questions TargetT..

[Arcturian108]

First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win. So I kept looking at his astrological chart and also checked in on his soul situation (one very high soul in the mix). His chart has an extremely important feature that for those familiar with astrology will recognize, but for those who aren't I will explain:
https://timburness.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/astrotrump-e1440773687329.png?w=630
His Sun is conjunct (at almost the same position) as his Uranus in house # 10 of the pie chart. Uranian energy is nonconformist, rebellious, but creative, and inventive. Doesn't that fit the picture? With this nonconforming energy at the same position of the sky with his Sun, his outward expression, and in the sign of Gemini, which emphasizes the intellect, the talker, the teacher, we can get a simple understanding of who he is. But in addition to that, in Vedic (East Indian) astrology, Trump has just entered into the most fortunate period of his life, starting three weeks ago, with his entry into Jupiter Dasa (a long period of expansion, good luck, etc.) for the next 20 years!

Before the election what really had me elated is a video by Trey Smith, which I shared on another thread, but it is too good to just hide there. So here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzuxTEq-plE

[jagman]

In an earlier post jagman you wrote Donald wins on election night. What changed with the numbers?



So you actually think Drumpf is Not Part of the Establishment, being used to drive us into the arms of Clinton?

One word: Suckers

Women are going to make sure Drumpf doesn't win, but the alternative is just as bad. Clinton for president?

One word: Gross

There is no polarity here. There is only the system giving us fake "choices" that ensure the system wins.

Whoever wins, it will continue to suck, big time. In case you hadn't noticed, a change in power, produces no change. The agenda flows as usual, downhill, with ever increasing velocity. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the middle class dwindles, and the genocidal agenda against the planet Earth and the human race continues without pause.

I've never watched Megyn Kelly, but I'm sure I have Drumpf Derangement Syndrome, and proud of it!

I'll be so glad when the voting day circus has come and gone. Then we can quit "destroying" each other with lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

A real Man's man? Seriously?

Be careful, you might return as a woman married to Drumpf's next incarnation. :pound:

I swore to myself I would not get involved in the political porn, but geez, please wake up! :doh:

Trust me lol, Drumpf is Hilary's best friend, ever. Whoever set up this scenario is brilliant.

No matter who wins, we lose. :frusty:

Sierra

Sorry to disappoint Sierra but I already did the numbers for Donald and Hillary
and Donald wins on election day!


When I stated this to Sierra, I was flat wrong!!!
I only Looked at Trumps numbers and they were
so good that I didn't think Hillary could win but
later after looking at Hillarys numbers.......
Well you could say, Her numbers were off the charts
ridiculously good, and to tell the truth, I felt such a
bad disdain for Hillary I could not bear to speak or
write the words " Hillary will be President"

[Desire]

If Hillary won, It would have been a dire world. So much evil there. After Berney, something changed in me and I started to want Trump to win. I feel so much better knowing he will be in charge. The planet was going way down hill with Hillary on line. I thank God she is gone. Maybe forces ARE coming to our aid. We sure need it with so many despots .,chem trails ,species dying at unsustainable rates. Trump and his asso. don't need to try and get to the top because they are already there and successful. God speed:sun:

[DNA]

I do not think we are out of the woods just yet.
I'm not going to exhale until Trump is in office and has finished his inauguration.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INaQr6dvnLo
INaQr6dvnLo




Oh and for the record I did not think Trump would win.
I've never witnessed a media onslaught as we have seen in this election, the media was so focused on the assassination of Trump's character, I did not think Trump could overcome this.
And now we have Obama saying a review is being ordered so as the intelligence agency looks into the possibility of Russian hacking interfering with vote counts in the election.

[The Freedom Train]

To establish enough unity, i.e. a crowd large enough that can then use this hidden knowlege to create a common reality that brings justice and fairness to all means that mathematical formulas are a must, or everyone will wander in an endlessly incoherent world of their inner and very personal imagination, never finding common ground, but the strongest imposing their vision on the weakest.
This is ok, and should not be denied, but only up to a point, where adulthood begins. By itself it simply cannot solve the collective problems facing the world today.

I was with you up until this point. What do you mean, that mathematical formulas will save us from wandering in endless incoherence?

I see a consciousness shift being the only way to solve the collective problems we face - meaning a shift that leads to people's effortless, natural proclivities to love each other and create heaven on earth. In every instance of change making I have been personally involved in or observed, I see business as usual perpetuated by the minds of those who wish to escape the trappings of a world they were born into and inevitably honed by.

"The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." - Audre Lorde.

[The Freedom Train]

First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win.

With love, I ask, please, why do you communicate with guides that you do not trust? And why would these guides, from their apparent higher perspective, be so inconsistent with their intel?

I ask this because I myself struggle with concept like "intuition" "guidance" etc. and I just cannot understand how we can truly believe whatever guidance we are getting.

[The Freedom Train]

Yes, my alternate selves attest to this fact.

I take the crap so they can further themselves.

This entity I am has splintered off the timelines countless times, clearing the route for my alternate selves in alternate realities. It is theonly thing that keeps me going. They are appreciative of my function. Sometimes they throw me a bone to help me get by.

They are going to owe me big time when I get back from this lifetime.

Do timelines split? oh yes they do - continuously.

I cannot say that I know exactly what you are talking about here, but I can relate to your sentiment!

[ulli]

To establish enough unity, i.e. a crowd large enough that can then use this hidden knowlege to create a common reality that brings justice and fairness to all means that mathematical formulas are a must, or everyone will wander in an endlessly incoherent world of their inner and very personal imagination, never finding common ground, but the strongest imposing their vision on the weakest.
This is ok, and should not be denied, but only up to a point, where adulthood begins. By itself it simply cannot solve the collective problems facing the world today.

I was with you up until this point. What do you mean, that mathematical formulas will save us from wandering in endless incoherence?

I see a consciousness shift being the only way to solve the collective problems we face - meaning a shift that leads to people's effortless, natural proclivities to love each other and create heaven on earth. In every instance of change making I have been personally involved in or observed, I see business as usual perpetuated by the minds of those who wish to escape the trappings of a world they were born into and inevitably honed by.

"The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House." - Audre Lorde.

Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance.
Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.

[The Freedom Train]

Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance. Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.

AH okay now I understand thank you for explaining! In that case, let's all hope for a timeline in which we are no longer required to believe that 2 + 2 equals 5 (as in 1984) :)

What I now do not understand is how you could consider somebody to be the "most loving and enlightened" when they react in a hostile manner to opposing views, or to mathematics. Their hostile reaction would be a pointer, in my opinion, to the fact that they are not as loving and enlightened as they at first glance appeared to be.

[ulli]

Subjective experiences are personal, and cannot be communicated with enough precision to get others convinced as well. Math, and numbers, are a means to get an agreement. Take temperatures, for instance. Someone says "hot day, today". Well, he can only speak for himself, as the next guy may have just stepped off a plane from India, and actually finds it a pleasant cool experience.
So if someone says instead my thermometer says " it's 25 degees Celsius" then they both can relate.
Equally I have found that the most loving and enlightened people who have issues with maths, and the precision of numbers, can easily switch emotionally to a hostile stance when their expectations aren't met.
People with a more scientific attitude can remain calm, leave puzzling issues on a shelf for later perusal, and generally have an attitude that appreciates the unity which a genuine consensus can generate.

AH okay now I understand thank you for explaining! In that case, let's all hope for a timeline in which we are no longer required to believe that 2 + 2 equals 5 (as in 1984) :)

What I now do not understand is how you could consider somebody to be the "most loving and enlightened" when they react in a hostile manner to opposing views, or to mathematics. Their hostile reaction would be a pointer, in my opinion, to the fact that they are not as loving and enlightened as they at first glance appeared to be.

Their hostility is often concealed until later. Sometimes their agenda is conscious, and aimed at particular targets, and sometimes their hostility comes from a fragmented part of their personality they are not in the least aware of.
To get to an inner state of integrity (bringing all the various aspects of the personality under one single umbrella) one needs to observe the self and its responses in a variety of circumstances, until real knowledge of self is attained.
Most acts of loving kindness are done for the sake of bolstering self-image, i.e. Ego, to feel good about oneself, and perhaps even seek redemption for their mess-ups. The main thing is to be vigilant or on guard against irrational impulses, since we don't know where they originate. The same goes for sentimentality, which is equally dangerous, as it is often the result of societal brainwashing.

[Arcturian108]

See my response further down in this thread.

[Arcturian108]

Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
First of all, I communicate often with my guides and angels who collectively know the future, although I don't always trust their opinions. They told me 8 months ago that Trump would be the next president of the United States. They only wavered this mid-summer for a few months, when they thought it was a toss-up, then closer to the election they were certain again that Trump would win.

The Freedom Train asked:
"With love, I ask, please, why do you communicate with guides that you do not trust? And why would these guides, from their apparent higher perspective, be so inconsistent with their intel?

I ask this because I myself struggle with concept like "intuition" "guidance" etc. and I just cannot understand how we can truly believe whatever guidance we are getting."


It has been the focus of my professional life for the past 26 years to understand and communicate with guides and angels. I have had many opportunities to test their abilities and knowledge. They are not uniformly cognizant of the future, but just as I ask a few close 3D friends opinions about this or that, I have come to know who to trust on the other side. Practice makes perfect.

[The Freedom Train]

Their hostility is often concealed until later. Sometimes their agenda is conscious, and aimed at particular targets, and sometimes their hostility comes from a fragmented part of their personality they are not in the least aware of.
To get to an inner state of integrity (bringing all the various aspects of the personality under one single umbrella) one needs to observe the self and its responses in a variety of circumstances, until real knowledge of self is attained.
Most acts of loving kindness are done for the sake of bolstering self-image, i.e. Ego, to feel good about oneself, and perhaps even seek redemption for their mess-ups. The main thing is to be vigilant or on guard against irrational impulses, since we don't know where they originate. The same goes for sentimentality, which is equally dangerous, as it is often the result of societal brainwashing.

Right on, I see your points, and I absolutely agree that integrity and self awareness are vital to our development as individuals.

Still, the traits you are describing (fragmented personalities, concealed hostilities, lack of self awareness) do not sound to me like those of a truly enlightened person. However, I have yet to meet anybody like that myself, so I guess all I have to go by are my assumptions about enlightenment and what that would look like (IMO - non reactive, unconditionally loving, incapable of recreating duality and dysfunction, unattached).

Maybe the whole idea of enlightenment is a farce and we are being goaded on by an impossibility - I can only hope that this is not so. Otherwise, how can we ever hope for anything better than the **** storm we are currently living in - watching history repeat itself in various iterations and forms ad infinitum?

True enlightenment in an individual may be incredibly rare, but all I can do is hope that it will not remain so over the coming years. I see that we are all in this together. I feel like we are all deserving of freedom from suffering. And I would like to see a massive shift in consciousness that leads to a natural, effortless change in the status quo - the unfoldment of the utopian ideal many of us yearn for. That would be my dream come true.

Your allusions to the questionable originations of impulses reminds me of the mind control programming and psychotronic tampering that I have been learning about within the past year - right you are, it is difficult to know what to trust or believe in, and vigilance appears to be a handy tool.

As far as loving kindness goes. Well, shucks. I cannot argue against your point, but I would like to suggest that it doesn't seem too bad that we pursue things in life that make us feel good about ourselves - especially if those things involve helping others in kind and loving ways. Loving self does seem to have value, IMO. Why would we not consider ourselves as worthy of love as those around us? The oppressive agenda that tells us we are unlovable and unworthy keeps us in suffering and despair. From that place, we become broken and ineffective, combative and divisive. I am not trying to argue for vanity and conceit here, just the simple recognition that when we choose to have love and compassion for ourselves, we find a way towards a freedom that few of us have ever known in its entirety.

I hope you do not take my response as any disrespect - I truly appreciate your points. And I do see the value in mathematics. I am certain that many phenomenon that are today considered "mystical" could be explained scientifically, mathematically - and probably will be some day.

I wonder, though. Do you think there is an equation for unconditional love?

[The Freedom Train]

t has been the focus of my professional life for the past 26 years to understand and communicate with guides and angels. I have had many opportunities to test their abilities and knowledge. They are not uniformly cognizant of the future, but just as I ask a few close 3D friends opinions about this or that, I have come to know who to trust on the other side. Practice makes perfect.

Thank you so much for explaining your process and this phenomenon to me, it puts things in perspective for me (as an intuitive sensitive myself). This makes a lot of sense!!! :)

[Timreh]

I think the timeline shifts frequently, not only globally, but personally. Indeed

Over recent weeks.. I have observed at least 3 changes to the timeline I am familiar with that baffle me...
Just what is going on?
Exciting times..

[Catsquotl]

In my experience Timelines change each time a human beings takes a second to breath and think before acting. That said. I am happy we got Trump over Hillary over the wild blue yonder. As for a change on the horizon of us all as a collective experience? I'm still very much in doubt.. It all feels as if dust is settling, people slowly begin to breath again. It all does feel very artificial.

As if an AI has found a better way to elude us into sleep instead of waking us up.
Hope i'm mistaken though..

With Love
Eelco

[The Freedom Train]

It all does feel very artificial.

As if an AI has found a better way to elude us into sleep instead of waking us up.

Yes perhaps you are speaking here of the very nature of our oppressed existence as mind controlled human slaves to a secret alien agenda!

One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.

So the question is, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Do the AI's have an algorithm for unconditional love and awakening? Are the AI's affected by these phenomena?

I wanted to make mention that, regarding my own astrological charts, I am no longer a match to much of what it talks about. It is like I am reading a story about a person I used to be. Wondering what the deal is there, and if it has anything to do with the trends jagman has noticed.

[Justplain]

If AI created those malevolent three ET races, and we were created as a slave race, then our soul family was very happy to jump in and use this slave species for experience in this manifest 3D realm. Doesnt sound reasonable to me, unless you consider the creator to be an AI, which i dont. An AI wouldnt give a crap about unselfish love.

[The Freedom Train]

If AI created those malevolent three ET races, and we were created as a slave race, then our soul family was very happy to jump in and use this slave species for experience in this manifest 3D realm. Doesnt sound reasonable to me, unless you consider the creator to be an AI, which i dont. An AI wouldnt give a crap about unselfish love.

You are right - unselfish love would be an anomaly in a world created by an AI.

I guess I should have gone into more depth with my explanations.

My theory involves the concept of what I call "creation bubbles" - wherein entire universes are bound in unique, individual "cells." Each universe is a product of a different "creator" - which if we think about the fact that every day we are all also creating as individual humans, is not too too hard to imagine. And as my theory goes, the creator of all original matter within our creation bubble is a source of unselfish/unconditional/Divine love.

The Archons, I theorize, were injected into this creation bubble. It was an invasion from a different source of creation.

This may help explain why humans do have an inherent goodness to them - a potential for redemption and emotion. Our bodies were made of the stuff of this world - and all of the original stuff of this world was created out of love. SO despite the fact that we were made as a slave race, and despite the fact that we are being mind controlled and manipulated, we have a sense that, at heart, we are pure and good, because we are made of the stuff of this world of love.

Please keep in mind that I have nothing really to back this up - it is just a theory that came to mind one night as I was thinking about love and evil, and wondering why things are the way they are.

[skyflower]

Starfire Tor does a lot of fascinating research into timeline shifts.

She claimed that "psi-saw" ( I would think that is a psychic seeing) that every timeline that Hillary was president, her lax security policies led us to WW3 and nuclear apocalypse.
And every timeline that Trump was president, there was no such disaster.

Weren't we cleared of the apocalyptic timeline when she lost the last presidential run?

[Catsquotl]

It all does feel very artificial.

As if an AI has found a better way to elude us into sleep instead of waking us up.

Yes perhaps you are speaking here of the very nature of our oppressed existence as mind controlled human slaves to a secret alien agenda!

<snip>

So the question is, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Do the AI's have an algorithm for unconditional love and awakening? Are the AI's affected by these phenomena?


Maybe, but I don't think I am.
I should have used The powers that are instead of AI.

Lately I think we have waay to little data to think about the nature of these beings. Due to popular (mis)information these people/beings have devised enough convoluted theories that I for one keep far away from calling them anything specific any longer. Whether illuminati, Archons, Reptilians, Velon, Annunaki alliens or just native inhabitants of earth.
I was merely stating that even though it feels like a huge change is taking place. To me it feels as if we are being lured into another false sense of rest. A little less doom and gloomy as a few years before, but an artificial sense of well being non the less.

As for light at the end of the tunnel? Who knows. As infinite, eternal beings.. who needs one right.

With Love
Eelco

[TargeT]

So the question is, is there light at the end of the tunnel? Do the AI's have an algorithm for unconditional love and awakening? Are the AI's affected by these phenomena?


well, if we look at the patterns of nature, there is always a swing from one extreme to the other... so I'd say yes, there is a light at the end of the tunnel; the fractal phenomenon is strong and predictable as long as you ignore CONTEXT.

[Justplain]

If AI created those malevolent three ET races, and we were created as a slave race, then our soul family was very happy to jump in and use this slave species for experience in this manifest 3D realm. Doesnt sound reasonable to me, unless you consider the creator to be an AI, which i dont. An AI wouldnt give a crap about unselfish love.

You are right - unselfish love would be an anomaly in a world created by an AI.

I guess I should have gone into more depth with my explanations.

My theory involves the concept of what I call "creation bubbles" - wherein entire universes are bound in unique, individual "cells." Each universe is a product of a different "creator" - which if we think about the fact that every day we are all also creating as individual humans, is not too too hard to imagine. And as my theory goes, the creator of all original matter within our creation bubble is a source of unselfish/unconditional/Divine love.

The Archons, I theorize, were injected into this creation bubble. It was an invasion from a different source of creation.

This may help explain why humans do have an inherent goodness to them - a potential for redemption and emotion. Our bodies were made of the stuff of this world - and all of the original stuff of this world was created out of love. SO despite the fact that we were made as a slave race, and despite the fact that we are being mind controlled and manipulated, we have a sense that, at heart, we are pure and good, because we are made of the stuff of this world of love.

Please keep in mind that I have nothing really to back this up - it is just a theory that came to mind one night as I was thinking about love and evil, and wondering why things are the way they are.

Hi Freedom Train, I heard, it may have been from Graham Hancock, that a person who returned from a ayahuasca trip told his shaman that he had seen some whale like creatures with long tentacles floating in the sky who claimed to be the gods of earth, and the shaman laughed and said they always claimed that and they were full of crap. These were likely your archons.

This 3d world has a hierarchy of good spirits. Every person has a benevolent spirit guide. Every person has a reincarnating soul. There is tons and tons of research that confirms this info (i can provide links if requested). This world is being used as a spritual development ground for positive, benevolent purposes. The spirits that are most advanced are the most benevolent.

Why there is evil, and why are we a potential slave race, is an interesting question. We have heard that free choice is part of the problem, and that the dark lords use trickery to gain our tacit approval to enslave us. From numerous sources we have heard that the dark age has now ended and that a new energy is rolling through that will flush out the old. We can assist in this by being vigilant. As Noam Chomsky said, we still have an incredible amount of freedom, so we should use it to help facilitate 'draining the swamp'.

[The Freedom Train]

Lately I think we have waay to little data to think about the nature of these beings. Due to popular (mis)information these people/beings have devised enough convoluted theories that I for one keep far away from calling them anything specific any longer. Whether illuminati, Archons, Reptilians, Velon, Annunaki alliens or just native inhabitants of earth.

I feel you and agree. But for some reason sometimes my brain likes to see if it can come up with an interesting and seemingly plausible explanation for the backwards upside down and inside out world we live in, so I guess I have a tendency to look for answers despite my knowing that I cannot really believe in anything i come up with.


I was merely stating that even though it feels like a huge change is taking place. To me it feels as if we are being lured into another false sense of rest. A little less doom and gloomy as a few years before, but an artificial sense of well being non the less.

I agree - it is funny, the day I found out that Trump was elected, I had this odd feeling of, PHEW! Thank goodness! - when I have never been a strong supporter, and didn't vote for either of them. A day later I came to my senses and remembered that I did not participate in the election for a reason: I suspect that any president is merely a puppet doing the bidding of a shadow government/TPTB. What was strange was why I experienced that sense of initial "relief" in the first place...?

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well, if we look at the patterns of nature, there is always a swing from one extreme to the other... so I'd say yes, there is a light at the end of the tunnel; the fractal phenomenon is strong and predictable as long as you ignore CONTEXT.

I like this, and I hope you are right!

[The Freedom Train]

Why there is evil, and why are we a potential slave race, is an interesting question. We have heard that free choice is part of the problem, and that the dark lords use trickery to gain our tacit approval to enslave us.

Yeah I guess I still struggle with this one. I just don't get it, not sure if I am capable of it. When I see suffering I do not see it helping people. So where is the benefit in that instruction? How is that benevolent?

I know that my questions cannot be answered really, or if people answer them, it is most likely that I will not be able to believe them. An exercise in futility perhaps.

[Justplain]

Why there is evil, and why are we a potential slave race, is an interesting question. We have heard that free choice is part of the problem, and that the dark lords use trickery to gain our tacit approval to enslave us.

Yeah I guess I still struggle with this one. I just don't get it, not sure if I am capable of it. When I see suffering I do not see it helping people. So where is the benefit in that instruction? How is that benevolent?

I know that my questions cannot be answered really, or if people answer them, it is most likely that I will not be able to believe them. An exercise in futility perhaps.

Hi Freedom Train, i hope this isnt an exercise in futility. For instance, if we dont give away the responsibility for our lives to corrupt authority, then they dont have our tacit approval to enslave us.

Despite our current problems, we still do have a great deal of freedom, and a comfortable standard of living. We can pursue a path to Cosmic Consciousness if we choose. That's not a waste of time, imho.

[Longjohn]

Dear all,

I found this channeling from Adamu interesting:

http://sananda.website/adamu-the-pleiadian-via-zingdad-november-11th/

Adamu (A monadic Pleiadian dentity) is channeled by Zingdad (https://zingdad.com/)

He refers to the impending Trump presidency as being a 'disaster averted', because Hilary would have led the world into nuclear conflict.

I make no comments on Zingdad's excellence as a channel, and I personally always mistrust channeled information. Michael Tellinger apparently thinks highly of him.

Zingdad writes well without too much mystical mumbo-jumbo, which makes me take more interest in him than would normally be the case.

I leave you to enjoy and comment!

Best regards, John

[amor]

These are the reasons I voted for Mr. Trump for President and a straight Republican ticket in my state to get rid of the Democrats. From harvesting information from the Internet, I learned of the corruption of the Clinton machine, the sexual corruption of them and the real Agenda of the Democratic Party in the USA as exemplified by Hillary as set forth in the movie "Amerageddon." The Agenda is to destroy all cohesive forces of American society: The family, the Christian church, the total economy by moving the businesses overseas after owning and controlling them through stock market manipulation (thus eventually owning the military-industrial complex, transportation, media, politaicians, medical and pharmaceutical communities, educational superstructure and what is taught and not taught, the control of farming and distribution of food, and finally using the total ownership of these things to kill off 6.5 Billion of the Earth's population using Geo-engineering, lies such as Global Warming/Climate Change as an excuse for taxation of the poor, and last but not least, destroying population and religion by promoting Satanism, child abuse and kidnapping, ritual murder, honey-trap/blackmail, homosexuality of every kind, beastiality, and global genocide. Did I leave anything out? Please fill it in. Even if Russia did do hacking, which I do not believe, the people of the USA do not wish any of the above for themselves or their children.

[Curlew]

your accessment clearly shows an intelligent,intuitive response to an obvious dilemma
created when too many unexpected input's change the results in a puported (fair?) election.

[Noelle]

I say the growing number of those waking up, this new and expanding awareness, may have resulted in a shift in collective consciousness, enough, perhaps, to change the timeline.

[sheme]

They did not calculate the new Earth frequency into the equation that is why the paradigm shifted and "they are lost".

[seehas]

since we are in a timeline thread, ive got a question regarding the mandela-effect.

lets say this effect happened to some humans, for example in the movie moonraker the girl dolly, i can remember seeing here having braces just 1-2 years ago when the movie was in tv.

now all official copys of the movie are without braces and even the actress says that she never had braces.

when searching the web i could find a guy in 1999 ask about the braces in a forum? what does that mean? this guy changed his timeline in 1999 and my timeline changed just shortly?

confusing ;)

[DeDukshyn]

They did not calculate the new Earth frequency into the equation that is why the paradigm shifted and "they are lost".

Very roughly put, but yes. This aspect of the slow change in humans toward love centered reasoning and away from fear centered reasoning is not in any AI's calculation nor can it be - you cannot really create a variable for that as the algorithms that these AIs use depend on humans being controllable via their fear based reactions. Without the fear based reactions we become more or less unpredictable. When I choose out of love I am choosing from the present moment - with no regard to the past and none to the future, this type of selection cannot be predicted by an algorithm, but if I make decisions out of fear - I will react in ways to alleviate that fear - very predictable.

So AIs cannot even be aware of what has been changing very slowly in humanity of the last several thousand years towards a more present moment based reality. We aren't there yet, but the field is turned and the seeds have taken root ...

[Desire]

That is good news DeDukshyn. At least it makes me feel better and when I feel better I vibrate higher.

[East Sun]

there was a shift to the positive and a badly needed one. Problem is that in an election too many people are not

aware of very crucial facts and that's why evil prevails imo. But not this time.............

[DeDukshyn]

That is good news DeDukshyn. At least it makes me feel better and when I feel better I vibrate higher.

Just remember your "feelings" are not you - you can observe them, but they do not represent you - emotions (as we current know them), and thoughts very often betray the true self - they are a result of fear - as humans currently experience them. Do your best not to just know this but live it as a reality, your "vibrational state" is best influenced from what you are - not what you observe. :)

Also be unpredictable - learn to choose, and only use decisions where they are a required tool. Now I will have to explain the difference between the two -- this distinction is subtle, but very important.

Definitions:
Decision - to select based on a consideration.
Choice - to select after a consideration.

Not much difference eh? Here's the important part - Humans have been cultured into never making choices but only decisions. Decisions are almost always a fear based selection between the options available - you fear making the wrong decision and that drives the "based on" part of the decision selection process. We all have been domesticated by our "cult-ure" to always fear the punishment and always fear not getting the reward. Our entire civilization is built around this concept solely. As children we are domesticated like we would any animal - our parents first, then school, church, work, everything reinforces this fear of not getting the reward, that gets programmed into us as children. If your not considered "successful" (as in wealthy), then you are a failure. Etc. Etc. and on and on in influencing every single selection we make.

This self domestication is tested by the concept of Hegelian dialect -- "problem-reaction-solution" -- this tactic that is used against the masses relies entirely works so well because it is known that humans only make decisions, not choices, and that all selections based on decisions will be to make the choice that appears to be either the reward or alleviate the fear of some punishment or "evil" or whatever part of the "problem" aspect that is causing you fear. This is how they maintain control over all humans -- it is because of the way our minds work and have been programmed by our own "society" - not because of overt power that they wield - their power is the use of a flaw that resides in our minds. All the power to stop them is within us - being able to shake off these shackles of fear based selection making.

Back to my definitions ... I digressed a little there ... :)

So to "Choose" is to select after a consideration - not based on the consideration. One must keep in mind that a choice is not the opposite selection of a decision - but it differs in how you arrive to the selection. I might look at a range of selections and pick something that no one expected, because everyone expects the path of least punishment or greatest reward. Soemtimes I select out of love only, sometimes out of curiosity only, sometimes, I seek further experience, but when I am choosing, I need no justification for my actions. Selecting in this method allows me to express myself more freely, more broadly, gives me greater education and ranges of experiences - decision making restricts all those forgotten values.

Also note that everyone has more senses than just the physical ones - the mind gets input from these and tries to give you instinct to make certain selections - call it gut instinct - if we are decision making, how can we expect our native sense of knowing and intuition to work? How can we even test it? We can't - the only way to use that quality is to make selections by making "choices", and abolish the "decision", except for like maybe math and engineering :) -- use it as a tool when it is useful and hang it on the shop wall otherwise.

So remember - you can only love your selections with choices - decisions simply do not allow for it.

And to top it off, know that when you get to the paoint where the majority of your selections are choices and mostly unpredictable, you are doing your part to at least prevent giant corporations from gaining profits and power as a result of your decision making, and even perhaps rendering the most advanced AI useless in being able to predict and thus control human actions.

We are getting there as a collective -- consider the progress in the last 100 years ... :)

Pass it on ... :)

[bluestflame]

since we are in a timeline thread, ive got a question regarding the mandela-effect.

lets say this effect happened to some humans, for example in the movie moonraker the girl dolly, i can remember seeing here having braces just 1-2 years ago when the movie was in tv.

now all official copys of the movie are without braces and even the actress says that she never had braces.

when searching the web i could find a guy in 1999 ask about the braces in a forum? what does that mean? this guy changed his timeline in 1999 and my timeline changed just shortly?

confusing ;)

for the record i distinctly remembered the girl had braces cos that was the whole point of the " love at first sight " theme , cos SHE had braces like jaws had braces
i was a kid and saw it on the big screen , ( dad worked at a picture theatre so i got to see some more mature audience movies)

[ghostrider]

A common theme n my reasearch into timelines shifting or merging is the year 2009 keeps popping up, like Synergy... I noticed it by accident, went back and checked factoring in 2009 , and the link is there... I can only speculate, something happened on the ultra fine tiny particle level ... Two realities are merging, it stands to reason if you change the structure of one subatomic particle , you change everything and the law of cause and effect begins its Symphony ... I believe AI has solved the time travel equation, gone back in time and are setting up our world for complete control... automated, designed and implemented to use our free will to enslave us ... nowdays every person has a cellular phone, tracking device, recording every selection, every step of every human being... we are caught in the bear trap ... nailing it down for certain will be next to impossible ... just my two cents...

[Flash]

wow wow wow
what a real gold nugget post - one post that makes one evolve in one instant

decision making versus choice making - one fear base, the other usually love based ;(even based on fun would be love of life based)

with no justification, since justification are based on fear, not on life or love

I have also noticed that when I make a decision, they are swift and short, therefore a bit more unconscious process, an old fear based training while when I make a choice, it takes a tiny bit longer and there is an inner affirmation going with it, a rewiring taking place.





That is good news DeDukshyn. At least it makes me feel better and when I feel better I vibrate higher.

Just remember your "feelings" are not you - you can observe them, but they do not represent you - emotions (as we current know them), and thoughts very often betray the true self - they are a result of fear - as humans currently experience them. Do your best not to just know this but live it as a reality, your "vibrational state" is best influenced from what you are - not what you observe. :)

Also be unpredictable - learn to choose, and only use decisions where they are a required tool. Now I will have to explain the difference between the two -- this distinction is subtle, but very important.

Definitions:
Decision - to select based on a consideration.
Choice - to select after a consideration.

Not much difference eh? Here's the important part - Humans have been cultured into never making choices but only decisions. Decisions are almost always a fear based selection between the options available - you fear making the wrong decision and that drives the "based on" part of the decision selection process. We all have been domesticated by our "cult-ure" to always fear the punishment and always fear not getting the reward. Our entire civilization is built around this concept solely. As children we are domesticated like we would any animal - our parents first, then school, church, work, everything reinforces this fear of not getting the reward, that gets programmed into us as children. If your not considered "successful" (as in wealthy), then you are a failure. Etc. Etc. and on and on in influencing every single selection we make.

This self domestication is tested by the concept of Hegelian dialect -- "problem-reaction-solution" -- this tactic that is used against the masses relies entirely works so well because it is known that humans only make decisions, not choices, and that all selections based on decisions will be to make the choice that appears to be either the reward or alleviate the fear of some punishment or "evil" or whatever part of the "problem" aspect that is causing you fear. This is how they maintain control over all humans -- it is because of the way our minds work and have been programmed by our own "society" - not because of overt power that they wield - their power is the use of a flaw that resides in our minds. All the power to stop them is within us - being able to shake off these shackles of fear based selection making.

Back to my definitions ... I digressed a little there ... :)

So to "Choose" is to select after a consideration - not based on the consideration. One must keep in mind that a choice is not the opposite selection of a decision - but it differs in how you arrive to the selection. I might look at a range of selections and pick something that no one expected, because everyone expects the path of least punishment or greatest reward. Soemtimes I select out of love only, sometimes out of curiosity only, sometimes, I seek further experience, but when I am choosing, I need no justification for my actions. Selecting in this method allows me to express myself more freely, more broadly, gives me greater education and ranges of experiences - decision making restricts all those forgotten values.

Also note that everyone has more senses than just the physical ones - the mind gets input from these and tries to give you instinct to make certain selections - call it gut instinct - if we are decision making, how can we expect our native sense of knowing and intuition to work? How can we even test it? We can't - the only way to use that quality is to make selections by making "choices", and abolish the "decision", except for like maybe math and engineering :) -- use it as a tool when it is useful and hang it on the shop wall otherwise.

So remember - you can only love your selections with choices - decisions simply do not allow for it.

And to top it off, know that when you get to the paoint where the majority of your selections are choices and mostly unpredictable, you are doing your part to at least prevent giant corporations from gaining profits and power as a result of your decision making, and even perhaps rendering the most advanced AI useless in being able to predict and thus control human actions.

We are getting there as a collective -- consider the progress in the last 100 years ... :)

Pass it on ... :)