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onawah

14th February 2018, 20:49

Corn Syrup Lobbyist Is Helping Set USDA Dietary Guidelines
BY ALEX KOTCH @ALEXKOTCH ON 02/02/18
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/corn-syrup-lobbyist-helping-set-usda-dietary-guidelines-2649307?spMailingID=2865963&spUserID=MzQ4OTU3MDI3OTMS1&spJobID=970077585&spReportId=OTcwMDc3NTg1S0&utm_source=engageim

For a year now, lobbyists have swarmed the White House under President Donald Trump, attaining positions within various federal agencies just days after leaving government affairs jobs at lobbying firms, trade groups and corporations.

Back in 2009, then-President Barack Obama issued an executive order on ethics that barred lobbyists from joining agencies they had lobbied in the previous two years. But Trump weakened that order shortly after becoming president, allowing lobbyists to join agencies they recently lobbied so long as they recused themselves from working on specific issues on which they had lobbied within the previous two years. The Trump administration has been sidestepping even that stipulation — in some cases by ignoring it, and in others, by granting ethics waivers.

In late August of 2017, White House counsel Donald McGahn issued a waiver for a new member of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), previously a lobbyist for the corn syrup industry, to advise the department on dietary guidelines:

“I hereby waive the requirements of paragraph 7 of the Ethics Pledge to Ms. Kailee Tkacz to allow her to advise the Secretary of Agriculture and other senior Department officials with respect to the Dietary Guidelines for Americans process. I have determined that it is in the public interest to grant this limited waiver because of Ms. Tkacz’s expertise in the process by which the Dietary Guidelines for Americans are issued every five years.”

Tkacz was director of food policy for the Corn Refiners Association, a trade group for corn syrup manufacturers, for two years before immediately leaving for the Trump administration in July 2017, according to her LinkedIn profile. Before that, she lobbied for the Snack Food Association and the National Grocers Association. Prior to her lobbying days, she spent a year as a research analyst on tax policy at the American Legislative Exchange Council, a group of corporations and conservative lawmakers that work together to craft business-friendly model legislation, and a year at the Charles Koch Institute, named after its billionaire founder and the CEO and part-owner of the global fossil fuel and materials conglomerate Koch Industries.

The Corn Refiners Association consists of the four biggest corn syrup producers in the nation: Archer Daniels Midland Company, Cargill, Ingredion and Tate & Lyle Americas.

Representing that association, Tkacz lobbied the USDA, as well as the House, Senate, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration on “education regarding federal food policy” as recently as the second quarter of 2017, according to federal lobbying records. Now she helps set that policy.

For decades, controversies have arisen over industry influence on the dietary guidelines. In the late 1960s, Harvard scientists paid by sugar interests wrote a report that minimized sugar’s effects on heart health while overemphasizing the dangers of fat. One of those scientists, Mark Hegsted, became the head of nutrition at the Department of Agriculture, where he helped draft what would eventually become the government’s dietary guidelines in 1977. Similar efforts have persisted since. In 2015, scientists funded by Coca-Cola urged people to focus on exercise, rather than a healthy diet, to avoid obesity.

“This waiver from the ethics rules is highly inappropriate,” Craig Holman, a lobbyist on campaign finance and governmental ethics for the watchdog Public Citizen, told International Business Times. “Waivers from conflicts of interest should only be granted when expertise from others who have no conflicts is otherwise not available. This lobbyist has a direct and substantial conflict of interest that should disqualify her participation in the matter.”

But Holman expressed surprise that the waiver was even sought, telling IBT, “The White House Counsel has routinely disregarded Trump’s ethics executive order, even to the point of not bothering to issue waivers where conflicts clearly exist and choosing simply to ignore the ethics rules altogether.”

In a June 2017 report, Holman identified 32 lobbyists appointed to Trump administration posts who oversee the same specific issue area on which they had lobbied within the last two years, in apparent violation of the ethics order.

Among those that did obtain waivers is an American Petroleum Institute lawyer who joined the EPA to work on renewable fuel standards, as well as the new ambassador to Switzerland and Luxembourg who obtained a waiver to help negotiate a Boeing deal while having previously had the company as a client. Several more lobbyists with conflicts of interest obtained waivers to work in the White House, including an energy lobbyist now developing energy policy and a former Fidelity Investments lobbyist who is now a tax and retirement policy adviser.

The USDA did not immediately return an IBT request for comment.

Wind

15th February 2018, 19:48

Lmao @ the absurdity of that!

onawah

15th February 2018, 20:48

Parks need help, not this
National Parks Conservation Association
2/15/18

http://my.npca.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=35474.0&dlv_id=35976
The reviews are in -- President Trump’s infrastructure proposal would be a disaster for national parks.

This week, the administration released a legislative proposal that calls on Congress to address our nation’s infrastructure needs, including the National Park Service’s $11.6 billion repair backlog.

But don’t get too excited; the administration is demanding that key environmental laws designed to safeguard the air we breathe, the water we drink, and our national parks and public lands be rolled back. They claim that will provide the funding necessary to fix our nation's infrastructure, because they believe that environmental rules are what cause infrastructure projects to be delayed.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

As park champions, we know we can invest in our nation’s infrastructure without sacrificing the bedrock environmental laws that protect the national parks we treasure. Tell Congress to reject any infrastructure plan that would jeopardize our health and the integrity of our national parks.

The Trump plan calls for dismantling vital conservation laws like the National Environmental Policy Act. It also would give the Secretary of the Interior -- rather than Congress -- authority to permit gas pipelines across park lands, all in the name of infrastructure. And when it comes to park maintenance, their plan is to pay for it by expanding energy development -- a risky proposition that could put parks in danger.

Caring for our parks means not only fixing their roads, trails and buildings, but also protecting their air, water, wildlife and surrounding landscapes.

Put simply, this plan shows that the administration is actively working to undermine our national parks and the environment on which they depend. That means it’s up to all of us to make sure Congress takes the right steps to provide the investments to fix our country’s infrastructure.

Take action! Urge Congress to reject any infrastructure plan that weakens our nation’s longstanding bedrock conservation laws and puts our national parks at risk.

Thank you for continuing to stand up for our national parks. Your voice matters now more than ever.

Sincerely,

Theresa Pierno

Theresa Pierno
President and CEO NPCA

And yet many will deem it an inconsequential issue...

Lmao @ the absurdity of that!

onawah

16th February 2018, 02:56

FDA Back Channel Lets Pharma Turn Nutrients Into Drugs
BY Alliance for Natural Health USA ANH-USA ON FEBRUARY 15, 2018
ARE MY SUPPLEMENTS SAFE?
Supplements become drugs and you pay. Tell FDA- Not this time! Action Alert!http://www.anh-usa.org/action-alert-stop-the-massive-attack-on-supplements/

By failing to finalize a key supplement policy, the FDA has provided a way for pharmaceutical companies to take natural compounds and turn them into costly drugs. The longer the agency delays, the greater the danger that more and more nutrients will be nabbed by pharmaceutical companies, forcing cheaper supplement forms from the market.

L-glutamine is the most recent example. Last year, the FDA announced the approval of a new drug for sickle cell disease called Endari. Endari is an oral powder comprised of L-glutamine, an important amino acid. The drug company, Emmaus Medical, Inc., says in its materials that an IND (investigational new drug) application for L-glutamine was originally filed on May 15, 1997. According to the FDA’s website, there is no new dietary ingredient (NDI) notification for L-glutamine.

If a drug company files an IND application on a nutrient before an NDI notification on that nutrient is filed, the company can ask the FDA to have supplement version removed from the market.

This means Emmaus can enforce its IND and petition the FDA to remove all L-glutamine supplements from the market, at any time. Keep in mind this is the same thing that happened to the pyridoxamine version of vitamin B6 in 2008, and is fast becoming a standard business practice for Big Pharma.

If Emmaus enforces its IND, the only way that L-glutamine supplements could survive is if the FDA decides to consider L-glutamine an “old dietary ingredient” (ODI) that does not require an NDI notification. In other words, a company would have to prove that L-glutamine was marketed “in or as” a dietary supplement before 1994.

This is a key point, and another tactic the FDA has used to benefit the pharmaceutical industry. Defining an ODI as a substance marketed “in or as” a supplement, rather than anything “sold” or in the food supply before 1994 as Congress intended, is an FDA invention. Fewer supplements will qualify as ODIs under FDA’s definition, which means more nutrients could become Big Pharma’s next target.

This would be a critical loss. L-glutamine helps maintain muscle, boosts the immune system, supports gastrointestinal health, and helps to maintain healthy growth hormone levels.

The crux of the problem is the FDA’s NDI notification guidance that we’ve been writing about since the revised draft was released in August 2016. It has now been 24 years since the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was passed, and the supplement industry has been waiting for the NDI policy ever since. Supplement companies do not know which supplements require an NDI notification or the requirements and protocol necessary for such a submission. In the meantime, pharmaceutical companies are taking advantage of the confusion by snatching up nutrients and turning them into drugs.

The FDA must solidify its NDI notification policy, but finalizing the draft guidance in its current form is unacceptable. As we wrote in 2016, defining ODIs as substances marketed “in or as” a supplement before 1994 was an improvement over the original guidance—but it’s not good enough and will mean many more supplements that consumers rely on could be eliminated. ODIs should be defined as supplements sold in the food supply, in any form, before 1994, period. The agency must fix the problems with the draft guidance, and then finalize the guidance.

Action Alert! Tell the FDA to fix the NDI guidance, and then finalize it to prevent more natural medicines from being taken away by the pharmaceutical industry. Please send your message immediately: http://www.anh-usa.org/action-alert-stop-the-massive-attack-on-supplements/

Individualized and natural medications are under threat. Action Alert!
Alliance for Natural Health
http://www.anh-usa.org/conflicts-of-interest-mar-fda-pharmacy-committee/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7846bb92-7f35-441a-9a5c-f3ea7e02a124

Millions of Americans rely on customized medicines made at compounding pharmacies, including bioidentical hormones like estriol. That access is threatened by an FDA advisory committee that is rife with conflicts of interest, including the pharmaceutical industry, which competes with compounding pharmacies.

For years now, we’ve been reporting on the FDA’s Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee (PCAC). The committee plays an important role in advising the FDA on implementation of the Drug Quality and Security Act of 2013 (DQSA). Thus far PCAC’s main role has been to make recommendations regarding which substances should or should not be included on the Bulk Drug List as well as the Difficult to Compound list. When finalized, these lists will dictate which medicines can continue to be made at compounding pharmacies—specialized pharmacies that make customized, oftentimes natural medications to meet the needs of individual patients.

Unfortunately, the track record so far has been abysmal, with PCAC routinely following the FDA’s lead and voting to exclude almost every natural medicine with which they’re presented.

A big part of the problem is PCAC’s composition. As we’ve pointed out before, the committee is a stacked deck against pharmacy compounding. Only one member of the committee is a compounder, and he cannot vote. Of the remaining eleven PCAC members, four are academics, three are government officials (one from FDA and two from the National Institutes of Health), and three are non-profit representatives.

Of particular concern is Pew Charitable Trusts’ representation on the committee. Pew presents itself as “an independent, nonpartisan research and public policy organization with a longstanding focus on drug quality issues, including pharmaceutical compounding.” Upon closer examination, though, it seems to us that Pew isn’t so “independent” and may have aligned itself with the pharmaceutical industry.

On June 12, 2017, Pew signed a letter with PhRMA, the trade association for the drug industry, directed to the House Appropriations Committee Chairs and Ranking Members. The letter advocated positions that would financially benefit drug companies, encouraging tighter regulation of compounding pharmacies—which of course make medicines that compete with pharmaceutical drugs.

Then, in September 2017, Pew sponsored a congressional briefing in partnership with Biotechnology Innovation Organization (BIO), another trade group boasting the biggest names in the pharmaceutical industry. Once again the message was to restrict consumer access to compounded medications, a position that would financially benefit members of BIO.

Pew holds a voting seat on PCAC, but we believe it has a conflict of interest as it partners with pharmaceutical interests on public facing efforts to restrict patient access to compounded medications. Two members of PCAC represent the pharmaceutical industry and compounding pharmacy. Both are non-voting members, in order to mitigate potential conflicts of interest. We don’t believe Pew should hold a voting position on PCAC when it advocates in partnership with pharmaceutical companies and takes positions that could greatly benefit these private entities.

PCAC should be comprised of voting members with an expertise on compounding who can form objective opinions. The rules governing the compounding industry, which is so crucial to millions of Americans, should not be set by competing companies—and their allies—who would benefit if the industry was regulated out of existence. We believe Pew should be replaced with an organization that can fulfill this important function.

Action Alert! Write to the FDA and Congress, telling them that Pew must be removed from PCAC due to conflicts of interest. Please send your message immediately.http://www.anh-usa.org/conflicts-of-interest-mar-fda-pharmacy-committee/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7846bb92-7f35-441a-9a5c-f3ea7e02a124

onawah

16th February 2018, 03:11

For those who haven't seen it yet, Charm of Favor by Brooks Agnew explains the reasons for new financial policies being enacted. Much land has already been mortgaged off to the Chinese, with an eventual option to buy.
(See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101711-Charm-of-Favor-A-true-story-of-the-rise-of-the-Clinton-Crime-Syndicate-by-Brooks-Agnew&p=1207620&viewfull=1#post1207620 )

No social security, no Medicare, no food stamps -- for starters.
Until when and if most pensions, retirement funds, medical coverage, social welfare benefits, and even Social Security (currently my only source of income) plans within the US either fail entirely or are cut back drastically ... the United States (corporations, and federal, state and local governments) will not have come to grips with the reality that vastly more has been promised than can be paid.

Similarly, much debt, including real estate mortgages, car loans, (a big one) student debt, and (an even bigger one) US Treasury debt will have to fail or be heavily discounted, before any return to honest accounting, with serviceable levels of debt, a stable currency, and a sustainable future, can be reached.

Not only have we (our Bankster and other Elite Bastard overlords) built a monetary system that resembles the Tower of Babel ... we've built it upside down, with the largest part at the top, resting on a far smaller level of actual productive capability.

Quadrillions of derivatives rest on top of hundreds of trillions of securitized debt, interest rate swaps and forex swaps, rest on top of tens of trillions of dollars of rehypothicated primary debt, rest on trillions of dollars of actual resources and productivity potential, with fraudulent accounting dominating at each level.

I have a friend who is a long time active member of the Sierra Club and was once their Person of the Year.
She isn't happy with a lot of their current policy, but they are still doing some good work, and so she concentrates on supporting that at least, until things improve, or better, less corruptible non-profits become more influential.
There are still non-profits doing good things, even though they aren't perfect.
It's helpful to at least refrain from throwing out the baby with the bath water.

onawah

18th February 2018, 05:32

Why Are More Cities Divesting From Big Oil? It’s Moral—and Practical
Direct divestments and lawsuits that began on the West Coast are spreading, with New York the latest city to pull its funding out of oil and coal.
February 17, 2018 YES! Magazine
bySylvia Chi
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/02/17/why-are-more-cities-divesting-big-oil-its-moral-and-practical

In January, New York City announced that it would both divest its $189 billion pension fund from fossil fuel companies and sue the world’s five biggest oil companies for their contributions to catastrophic climate change. The city plans to move the $5 billion it now invests in fossil fuel companies into other investments within the next five years. The lawsuit, in turn, cites climate change-caused damage, such as flooding and erosion and future threats, and asks BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and Shell to pay for it.

This playbook was written on the West Coast. In September, San Francisco and Oakland filed separate lawsuits against the same five oil companies seeking payment for the construction of new seawalls and other infrastructure required to protect the cities from rising sea levels. Marin and San Mateo counties, and the city of Imperial Beach in San Diego County, sued dozens of fossil fuel firms, making similar arguments.

These actions are accelerating under the Trump administration’s multipronged effort to undercut environmental protections and boost fossil fuel production and use, which would exacerbate climate change. States, cities, and the people retain considerable power to effectively challenge the administration’s reckless quest to pump more and more greenhouse gas into

They’re using that power: Direct divestment programs and lawsuits are products of people power—activists organizing in coalitions of aligned interest groups and working with like-minded elected officials—and they are not the only tools available to us.

Activists around the world are effectively pressuring the fossil fuel industry by taking on the financial institutions that make pollution possible. In Europe and elsewhere, financial institutions and insurers are already disentangling from the fossil fuel industry. In Australia, for example, energy company Adani’s proposed Carmichael coal mine, once slated to be the biggest coal mine in the world, is now imperiled after lenders around the world have ruled out participation. European insurance companies, including Axa, Zurich Insurance Group, and Munich Re, are planning to stop insuring new coal investments.

In North America, the divestment movement is led by Indigenous activist groups like Mazaska Talks and their allies. Inspired by the Standing Rock Sioux and their powerful protest against the Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL), grassroots groups across the country sprang up last year to carry on the work of Standing Rock by targeting the banks that finance extreme fossil fuel infrastructure.

In Oakland, Defenders of Mother Earth-Huichin, an Indigenous-led coalition bearing the Ohlone name for the surrounding parts of the East Bay, successfully got amendments to local law enacted that require any financial institution seeking to provide banking services to the city to disclose whether it finances DAPL or other projects that violate Indigenous sovereignty. The changes also include required disclosures about financing of other fossil fuel infrastructure, and private prisons and detention centers. Allied groups in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Seattle have won similar victories targeting the banks that back dangerously polluting fossil fuel projects, causing the banks to incur reputational damage and lose valuable municipal contracts.

Global financial and insurance industries are starting to recognize that fossil fuel investments don’t make moral or economic sense.The lawsuits brought by New York and others accuse the oil companies of creating a “public nuisance,” the same tactic used by states in the 1990s to successfully extract significant settlements from tobacco companies. In these cases against Big Oil, the cities and counties contend that the oil companies created and contributed to global warming-induced sea level rise, and therefore should pay for the costs those cities have incurred and will continue to incur as they put adaptation measures in place.

These measures are extensive and costly; in San Francisco, short-term upgrades to the city’s seawall are expected to cost more than $500 million, with long-term upgrades estimated to exceed $5 billion. Plans to protect the city’s sewer system from sea level rise and associated shoreline erosion are estimated to cost an added $350 million. In Oakland, improvements to the dike protecting Oakland International Airport are estimated to cost $55 million.

Likewise, the complaint filed by New York draws on the city’s detailed work on adaptation, including a $20 billion program to establish climate resiliency design guidelines for municipal infrastructure, and the Raised Shorelines Program, which will elevate shorelines to protect low-lying areas and is expected to cost $100 million for just the first nine out of 91 sites identified. New York City also is taking the oil companies to task for their contribution to rising global temperatures, which the city is fighting with public health initiatives such as Cool Neighborhoods NYC, a $100 million program to keep communities safe during periods of extreme heat.

Fossil fuel companies have been banned from Oakland’s investment portfolio since 2014, and the city council has also called on CalPERS, which manages $326.4 billion in investments for state employees, and Oakland’s public employee pension funds to divest. Across the Bay, the San Francisco Defund DAPL Coalition has been pushing officials to divest the San Francisco Employees’ Retirement System (SFERS) from its $559 million in fossil fuel investments. The city’s board of supervisors has repeatedly called on the pension fund to divest, and the late Mayor Ed Lee called for divestment in one of his last public statements before his sudden death in December 2017. In late January, the SFERS’s board, spurred by grassroots energy and sustained pressure from the city, voted to begin a phased divestment of the fund’s “riskiest dirtiest fossil fuel assets.”

The global financial and insurance industries are starting to recognize that fossil fuel investments don’t make moral or economic sense. The next step is to make this reality clear in the United States. The lawsuits brought by New York City, San Francisco, Oakland, and others signal to bank shareholders and management that fossil fuel firms bring with them significant litigation risks. Public divestment from these companies shows that public pension fund managers in the heart of Wall Street are now recognizing them as bad investments, dragged down by “stranded assets” in the form of fossil fuel reserves that cannot be tapped without causing catastrophic climate change. New York City’s controller, Scott Stringer, cited the stranded assets argument in defending his decision, saying that “it would be irresponsible of us as fiduciaries” to avoid considering divestment.

Indeed, Stringer also noted that Bank of America’s own analysts have predicted that global oil demand will peak by 2030, even as the bank is still financing DAPL and Keystone XL. Divesting our personal and public wealth from the banks that enable the fossil fuel industry, combined with direct divestment and lawsuits, can help bring pressure on banks to stop funding risky, money-losing fossil fuel projects. Climate change leaders in every community should use these tactics and every tool available to make these risks clear.

Sylvia Chi wrote this article for YES! Magazine.Sylvia Chi is an attorney and member of Defenders of Mother Earth-Huichin, an indigenous-led, Oakland-based grassroots coalition following the call from Standing Rock to divest from banks that fund the extractive fossil fuel industry.

onawah

19th February 2018, 21:54

Funding for marine mammal first responders in jeopardy
https://takeaction.oceanconservancy.org/page/20224/action/1?ea.tracking.id=18LPBCOAXX&utm_medium=email&utm_source=engagingnetworks&utm_campaign=Government+Relations&utm_content=20180219+Presidents+Budget

One billion dollars cut! We are shocked that the President’s budget, just released, recommends a $1 billion cut to NOAA—taking away valuable resources from coastal and ocean needs.

The proposed budget cuts mean that federal funds to support ocean wildlife, including marine mammal first responders could be drastically reduced. But, these funds are so important! For example, the Clearwater Aquarium is doing important work to rehabilitate dolphins and return them to the ocean. NOAA helps make this work possible.

Whales, dolphins and more all rely on groups on the ground, to help in times of need. We can’t lose this critical funding that enables such important work.

Marine mammal funding cuts are just one example of the many cuts in the President's budget that would impact our ocean and coasts.

But, luckily there is a silver lining.

This budget is a proposal, which means it is not written in stone. You and I have the opportunity and responsibility to let Congress know that ocean issues matter to us. Congress will ultimately write the 2019 budget for NOAA, and they are just getting started.

Take action today by telling your elected representatives that our coastal communities and our ocean is too important to risk.

onawah

20th February 2018, 16:52

Drill rigs off the coast of every state
Natural Resources Defense Council
2/20/18
https://act.nrdc.org/letter/af-ocs-offshore-180215?source=EMOOCSPETAF&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=actr&utm_campaign=email&t=10&referring_akid=419.315001.DHU66T
( If you don't understand how offshore drilling is dangerous, check out the thread about Dutchsinse's work here: )
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98526-Dutchsinse-s-Earthquake-Reports-and-Forecasts

President Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke have released an outrageous plan to auction off vast swaths of our U.S. coastlines to disastrous offshore drilling.

From Maine to Florida, Washington State to California, across the Arctic and in the Gulf of Mexico, their plan would put drill rigs off the coast of every coastal state — endangering communities, marine wildlife, and our climate with the risk of catastrophic oil spills.

Congress has the power to stop this dirty, dangerous plan by passing legislation that would protect our coastlines — but we must push them to take action now.

Tell your senators and representative to stand up to Trump's fossil fuel giveaway, and protect our coast and our climate from reckless oil and gas drilling!
Take action:
https://act.nrdc.org/letter/af-ocs-offshore-180215?source=EMOOCSPETAF&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=actr&utm_campaign=email&t=10&referring_akid=419.315001.DHU66T
Despite years of cleanup, tourism and wildlife still haven't fully recovered from the horrific Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico that spilled millions of gallons of crude oil. Tar balls still turn up on beaches. Toxic poisons continue to show up in birds and wildlife. Dolphins are still sick and dying at elevated rates.

Trump's short-sighted drilling scheme would put virtually every inch of our coastlines at risk of devastating oil spills. It will irreversibly harm dolphins, whales, polar bears, otters, and other imperiled wildlife that thrive in and around our oceans ... threaten coastal jobs and economies ... dramatically amplify the effects of climate change ... and block our path to a clean energy future by keeping us shackled to the heavily polluting fossil fuels of the past.

All of this, just to pad the pockets of oil executives.

Americans overwhelmingly oppose expanding drilling off our coast. We need Congress to act by launching a full-on legislative counteroffensive that will stop this drilling plan in its tracks.

The NRDC Action Fund is hard at work putting pressure on key lawmakers to stand strong in opposition to Trump's dangerous drilling plan. But we are also working to push Trump's allies out of Congress — and elect environmental champions — in the upcoming elections this year.

We need you to help us mobilize a massive, nationwide public outcry in defense of our coast, our communities, and our climate, and make your voice heard at your senators' and representative's offices across the country.

Tell Congress to stop Trump's outrageous offshore drilling scheme, and keep our coast off limits to oil giants!

President Trump and his administration show no signs of backing down from their attacks our environment, our health, and our safety. The NRDC Action Fund will never back down either — and with dedicated activists like you, I know we can — and will — make the difference.

Thank you for standing with us in this fight.

Sincerely,

Rhea Suh
President, NRDC Action Fund

PS
2/20/18
From: NRDC

President Trump is at it again. In 2017, he spent the year appointing anti-conservationists to important cabinet positions, eliminating key environmental policies, and gutting protections for America's public lands.

You're not going to believe what he's doing in 2018.

Last week, Trump unveiled his long-awaited infrastructure plan that was intended to upgrade America's roads and bridges. Instead, the plan eviscerates the National Environmental Policy Act, which helps to safeguard our country's air, land and waters. It gets even worse. Trump's plan also gives Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke the power to greenlight natural gas pipelines through our national parks.

That is unthinkable. Can you imagine a pipeline cutting across the middle of Yosemite National Park? Or along the edges of the Grand Canyon?

Please help us continue to fight to preserve America's public lands from the worst anti-wilderness administration we've ever seen.

Natalie, you can make an impact. Thanks to the support of people like you who believe in preserving our natural heritage for generations to come, we've been able to halt many of Trump's greatest threats. We've filed lawsuits to stop him from eliminating places like Bears Ears National Monument, and we won't hesitate to use the courts again to protect the Grand Canyon and all our National Parks from being spoiled by gas pipelines.

turiya

20th February 2018, 21:20

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Jan 22, 2011 - Founded in 1970 on a $400,000 seed grant from the Ford Foundation, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) is today one of the most influential environmentalist lobbying groups in the United States. It claims a membership of one million people, including some 400,000 Internet activists.

Soros Funding Shows Real Goal of the People's Climate March (https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/04/29/george-soros-funding-reveals-true-motivations-of-peoples-climate-march/)

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Apr 29, 2017 - Soros gave six of these groups more than $1 million: the Center for Community Change ($15.1 million), the NAACP ($7.4 million), the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC — $4.4 million), People's Action ($2.6 million), the Public Citizen Foundation ($1.9 million), and the Union of Concerned ...

Liberal Media Fail to Report Soros Funding Linked to ... - NewsBusters (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/sean-long/2014/07/09/liberal-media-fail-report-soros-funding-linked-new-epa-regulations)

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Jul 9, 2014 - The broadcast networks have not mentioned the NRDC connection to the new regulations, and even the Times ignored that liberal mega-donor Soros has bankrolled the NRDC. The Times called the EPA regulations “a remarkable victory for the National Resources Defense Council” for developing the ...

People's Climate March Steering Committee Got $36M From George ... (http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/04/28/peoples-climate-march-steering-committee-got-36m-george-soros)

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Apr 28, 2017 - Between 2000 and 2014, Soros gave $36,018,461 million to 18 of the 55 steering committee members of the People's Climate March. Donations to six of those groups were more $1 million each: Center for Community Change, the NAACP, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), People's Action, ...

Twelve Steps to Reclaim a Nation's Soul (https://books.google.com/books?id=-sNEAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=%22NRDC%22+soros&source=bl&ots=m5ep9cUSsM&sig=rb23Rgt7SqbZ60obKCqcUk9ptgA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXmL-9pbXZAhVK7YMKHdc_AoE4ChDoAQguMAE)

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0557090806
Jo Anne Niedermeier (https://www.google.com/search?sa=N&biw=1280&bih=890&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Jo+Anne+Niedermeier%22&ved=0ahUKEwiXmL-9pbXZAhVK7YMKHdc_AoE4ChD0CAgvMAE) - 2009
George. Soros-is. an American currency speculator with a net worth estimated at $11.0 billion. Soros has given $6 billion to various causes since 1979. ... the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), Environmental Media Services, Environmental Working Group, and even fringe groups like the now-defunct Mothers ...

The Planet Of Comet Sense - Page 86 - Google Books Result (https://books.google.com/books?id=vOlrAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=%22NRDC%22+soros&source=bl&ots=n3OqEoHV1o&sig=9V7B7dbRnej_H3x49ZSnUa9di0Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXmL-9pbXZAhVK7YMKHdc_AoE4ChDoAQgxMAI)

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=110514495X
Carol Ann Lindsay (https://www.google.com/search?sa=N&biw=1280&bih=890&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Carol+Ann+Lindsay%22&ved=0ahUKEwiXmL-9pbXZAhVK7YMKHdc_AoE4ChD0CAgyMAI) - 2011 - ‎Humor
In 2011 NRDC endorsed a document called the Earth Charter, which blames capitalism for many of the world's environmental, social and economic problems. And isn't this interesting? The NRDC has received many millions from billionaire George Soros and is a member of the Apollo Alliance.‖ ―What a record,‖ said ...

Soros: $20.7M to Alleged Russia Climate Groups - Buying Bias (http://buyingbias.org/2017/07/18/soros-20-7m-alleged-russia-climate-groups/)

buyingbias.org/2017/07/18/soros-20-7m-alleged-russia-climate-groups/

Jul 18, 2017 - Soros Gave $20.7 Million to Alleged Russia-Funded Climate Groups ... For example, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) launched a “Community Fracking Defense Project” in September 2012. The project ... At least eight of those groups received more than $20.7 million from Soros combined.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/6d/07/55/6d07552cb1d570c244c9d3dc532c2ba3--george-soros-activists.jpg (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/344947652700153196/)

SOURCE (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22NRDC%22+soros&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=890&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wfIU1YvhgtPdFM%253A%252CJ9rrb2kPvMwYdM%252C_&usg=__xlynKa-FtrVWRuHJH9aAJf0rIGs%3D&ved=0ahUKEwicss-3tLXZAhVCxYMKHQagCy44FBD1AQgyMAI#imgrc=XgQof4vZrN9QfM:)
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onawah

20th February 2018, 22:31

And as I stated here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101780-Alliance-Insider-There-Will-Be-No-Civilian-Trials-for-the-Illuminati&p=1209169&viewfull=1#post1209169

I am hoping the InPower Movement will succeed not only in its own objectives, but in inspiring more groups to organize with similar goals.
I think the political arena is providing a lot of the distractions and resulting confusion that are causing the lag in momentum, though God knows there are plenty of other equally distracting things going on, wherever you look.
But there are plenty of non-profits which are still doing good work, though of course, many of them are dealing with the identity crisis the Left in general is undergoing, and that's not a bad thing, but until they are grounded and on track and able to deal constructively with all the opposition from the Right and social stagnation in general, then we will continue to have more lag.
I will add mention here of the Poor People's Campaign: https://poorpeoplescampaign.org/ ...which seems to be gaining a lot of momentum.

AND: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101780-Alliance-Insider-There-Will-Be-No-Civilian-Trials-for-the-Illuminati&p=1209236&viewfull=1#post1209236

I forgot to mention that I spend a lot of time in online activism via various non-profit campaigns.
I get their email newsletters and updates on Facebook which include actions I can take such as letters to Congress and other officials regarding various issues the non-profits are concerned about.
The non-profits usually let their supporters know when they have failed in their objectives, and when they have succeeded.
There are enough successes to make the time feel well spent.
I have also volunteered at a number of local non-profits over the years, wherever I have been living at the time.
From my experience, it is a very good way to co-create community and engage in worthwhile activity that actually brings about positive change.

Non-profits are indeed being infiltrated and funded by those with less than altruistic motives, but most of them are still doing good work and you can support that much if you are selective.
Many non-profits, including the NRDC, are sending activist letters to Congress asking them NOT to drill along the coasts.
I don't see a problem with that.
Non-profits are less corruptible than politicians, at least, and it's a way to remain pro-active in the larger community.
And it certainly beats giving Trump a big pass on polluting and destroying the environment and causing more destruction via earthquakes, volcanic activity etc.

thunder24

20th February 2018, 22:41

turiya

20th February 2018, 22:57

Im putting this here, cause I don't want to start another thread.

Romney and Bain capital associated with mob money laundering. Now Trump is backing Romney under "needing more GOP votes." Trump has undeniable connections to mafia through business in past.

Can people with recorded facts separate or connect Trump and Romney together?

Trump comes from his business of construction of buildings in New York City. The construction materials business is owned by mafiaso type people. So yeah, you can say that Trump has had dealings with the mafia. But if you think Mitt & Trump were together connected to the mafia. I would have say,

"Nice try, but Go Fish." :)

onawah

21st February 2018, 02:23

Boundary Waters Still Threatened by Twin Metals Mine
Wilderness Watch 2/20/18
https://wildernesswatch.salsalabs.org/notwinmetalslease/index.html?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c98290ec-5da8-4fdd-a17f-cb857538a0d2

Tell Interior Secretary Zinke and Forest Service Chief Tooke to protect the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness by not renewing the Twin Metals mining leases!

In December, Zinke released a new legal opinion designed to fast-track two mining leases in northern Minnesota so a company owned by a Chilean billionaire can construct a copper and nickel mine in the watershed of the Boundary Waters Wilderness. The Chilean billionaire also happens to be renting a mansion to President Trump’s daughter, Ivanka.

The Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness is America's most popular and water-rich Wilderness. Its 1.1 million acres contain more than 1,000 pristine lakes and 1,200 miles of rivers and streams. The lakes, rivers, and streams of the Boundary Waters watershed are among the cleanest waters in North America, and are especially sensitive to acids and heavy-metals found in copper mine pollution.

The legal opinion from Trump’s Interior Department doesn’t immediately green-light the toxic sulfide mine within the Boundary Waters Wilderness watershed, so please take action to stop one of the most toxic forms of mining, which has caused environmental and financial problems all over the world!

You may recall that these expired mining leases were previously not renewed by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management due to the extreme environmental risk they pose to the Boundary Waters Wilderness. In fact, the Forest Service received over 125,000 comments opposes these mining leases, including more than 10,000 comments from Wilderness Watch members and supporters, and almost no comments in support of leasing.

Under the mineral leasing laws, the Department of Interior (DOI) issues mineral leases on all federal lands. However, the Forest Service has veto power over any leases issued on national forests. Therefore, both the Forest Service and DOI must approve any decision to lease the lands next to the Boundary Waters.

Priceless and irreplaceable, the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness must not be put at risk of perpetual water pollution from the most toxic industry in America!
Take action: https://wildernesswatch.salsalabs.org/notwinmetalslease/index.html?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c98290ec-5da8-4fdd-a17f-cb857538a0d2

thunder24

21st February 2018, 04:20

we-R-one

21st February 2018, 05:22

onawah

21st February 2018, 17:13

It's a matter of degree, which each will have to determine for themselves. With the exposure of Soros, the Clintons, etc. I think the trend will be to be more cautious and selective, and with smaller non-profits, at least, there is more transparency.

Non-profits are indeed being infiltrated and funded by those with less than altruistic motives, but most of them are still doing good work and you can support that much if you are selective.
Many non-profits, including the NRDC, are sending activist letters to Congress asking them NOT to drill along the coasts.
I don't see a problem with that.
Non-profits are less corruptible than politicians, at least, and it's a way to remain pro-active in the larger community.

Are you sure about that?

onawah

22nd February 2018, 20:40

Trump Budget: A Death Sentence for Elephants, Wolves, More
Center for Biological Diversity
2/22/18

If you ever doubted President Trump's war on wildlife, look no further than the proposed budget he released last week. A new Center for Biological Diversity analysis of the proposal identifies the top 10 species that would be likely driven extinct by his plans, including red wolves, whooping cranes and African elephants.

Among other harms, the budget proposal would slash funding for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service by $300 million — almost 20 percent — and for the Multinational Species Conservation Fund by a staggering 45 percent. The proposal completely abolishes state endangered species recovery funding.

"Trump is ignoring hundreds of species in desperate need," said the Center's Stephanie Kurose. "It's despicable."

Learn about the top 10 species affected and read more in The Huffington Post (Below).
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/10-species-to-go-extinct-under-Trump/?utm_source=eeo&utm_medium=email
The Top 10 Species Affected:
A Listicle by the Center for Biological Diversity

The U.S. government is in charge of saving and protecting more than 1,622 animals and plants on the endangered species list. Over the past four decades, the Endangered Species Act has saved 99 percent of the species under its care from extinction. The Trump administration, however, threatens to undermine that success through a deadly combination of drastic budget cuts, policy changes, neglect and abandonment of programs that have proven worthwhile. Here are the 10 species mostly likely to be driven extinct by the Trump administration.
Among them:
African Elephant
Endangered Species Act protected since 1978

African elephants are highly intelligent and social animals. They display grief, altruism, compassion and self-awareness. Elephants rely on their long-term memories, coupled with seasonal cues, to travel vast distances in close-knit herds to find water and food throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

Tragically, these elephants — Earth’s largest land mammals — are being slaughtered for their ivory tusks at rates that are causing severe population declines across the continent. Habitat loss, human-elephant conflict and political instability pose additional and significant long-term challenges to the elephants’ survival.

Upper Columbia River Spring-run Chinook Salmon
Endangered Species Act protected since 1999

In the Pacific Northwest, salmon are cultural icons. They are critical to the region’s ecosystem, returning ocean nutrients to rivers that benefit both people and wildlife.Chinook, also called “king” salmon, are the largest salmon species, with adults often exceeding 40 pounds. Once found in abundance, hydropower development and irrigation diversions, along with water storage and commercial salmon harvest, threaten the species’ existence. There is now a high risk they will go extinct.

Red Wolf
Endangered Species Act protected since 1967

Red wolves are some of the most endangered carnivores in the world. The wolves were once widely distributed throughout the southeastern United States. But they were nearly exterminated due to fear they might kill livestock. The population fell so precipitously that in 1975, 17 red wolves were put into a captive breeding program to stop extinction. But in 1980, red wolves were declared extinct in the wild. The captive breeding program eventually got the wild population up to 130 wolves in 2006.

Unfortunately, the population began to decline and crashed in 2014. At the beginning of 2016, only 45 red wolves remained in the wild. Mismanagement, illegal killing and hybridization with coyotes are the main threats to red wolves.

North Atlantic right whale
Endangered Species Act protected since 1970

The North Atlantic right whale is one of the most endangered of all large whales and can weigh up to 150,000 pounds and grow as long as 48 feet. A long history of human exploitation, coupled with recent threats like entanglement in fishing gear, ship strikes and seismic oil and gas surveys, has made current population trends so dire that experts predict the whale could vanish within 20 years. Only about 450 right whales remain. Seventeen were killed in 2017 after being hit by boats or tangled in fishing gear. Of the remaining population, as few as 100 are breeding females.

See the rest at: http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/10-species-to-go-extinct-under-Trump/?utm_source=eeo&utm_medium=email

Huffington Post:Trump’s Budget Would End Grant Funding For State Endangered Species Projects
Environmentalists say the proposal would push imperiled creatures further toward extinction.
02/15/2018
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-budget-endangered-species-state-grants_us_5a8584f1e4b0774f31d28e73
Excerpts:

"WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is looking to zero out grant funding for state efforts to recover endangered species ― even as it has stressed cooperating with states on conservation efforts.
In the 2019 budget proposal released on Monday, President Donald Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke recommend allocating not a single dollar to the Cooperative Endangered Species Conservation Fund, a program authorized by the Endangered Species Act that divvies out money to states and territories for voluntary species and habitat conservation projects on non-federal land. In fiscal year 2018, the fund received $53 million in appropriations.
It’s no secret that the administration is more sympathetic to business interests than endangered species. And like most environmental protections, it seems to view the Endangered Species Act ― ESA ― as little more than a regulatory burden to economic growth."
Dan Ashe, a former director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said the proposal to end funding for the state conservation fund is baffling, given the Trump administration’s talk about more cooperation.
The ESA grants “are the principal source of support for states’ work on endangered species and for partnership between the Fish and Wildlife Service and states,” Ashe told HuffPost.
To get funding, a state or territory must put up at least 25 percent of a project’s cost and enter into an agreement with the federal government. The grant monies go toward habitat restoration, land acquisition, conservation planning, research and education.
In its justification for the budget change, FWS writes simply that it “is not requesting funding for these activities in order to support higher priorities.” "
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"The White House and the Interior Department did not respond to HuffPost’s inquiries about the recommendation to eliminate the grant funding for states.
In its previous budget proposal, the Trump administration requested $19.3 million for the Cooperative Endangered Species Conservation Fund, which would have been a decrease of $34.1 million below the 2017 funding level. Instead, Congress allocated the $53 million.
It’s unclear what changed for the administration between this year and last. And if last year was any indication, it is highly unlikely that Congress will sign off on the latest request.
Doing so, Ashe said, would be “a huge step backward,” as those monies are critical both to recovering already threatened species and keeping others off the endangered list.
During President Barack Obama’s time in office, “we were very proud of the record we set, that we had recovered and delisted more species than all previous administrations combined,” he said. “And that didn’t happen by accident. It happened because we applied the resources to get species over that last mile.”

In July, Republicans on the House Committee on Natural Resources took up a package of five bills targeting portions of the 1973 conservation law, which they maintain is broken and in need of an overhaul. At the hearing, Sheehan voiced support for the proposals and said his goal was for the agency “to be a better neighbor and partner to the public and states.”
Eliminating funding for state ESA grants runs counter to that priority.
Trump and Zinke also have pegged themselves as the allies states have long waited for. During his confirmation hearing in January 2017, Zinke said his first priority as head of Interior would be to “restore trust … working with rather than against local communities and states.”
“Being a listener and a listening advocate rather than a deaf adversary is a good start,” he said.
That advocacy has focused almost exclusively on boosting mining and fossil fuel production, as Zinke has prioritized energy development over conservation.""
Read the rest at: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-budget-endangered-species-state-grants_us_5a8584f1e4b0774f31d28e73

TargeT

22nd February 2018, 20:44

Trump Budget: A Death Sentence for Elephants, Wolves, More
Center for Biological Diversity
2/22/18

A new Center for Biological Diversity analysis of the proposal identifies the top 10 species that would be likely driven extinct by his plans, including red wolves, whooping cranes and African elephants.
Read the rest at: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-budget-endangered-species-state-grants_us_5a8584f1e4b0774f31d28e73

Oh HufPo, you never cease to amaze with your vitriol. African elephants?? really??

Next we'll see an article about how Trump's plans will stop rain world wide for 400 years (or some such non-sense)...

onawah

22nd February 2018, 21:04

No idea what you are on about, Target. Did you even read my post? The part about the elephants is from Center for Biological Diversity and reads as follows:

The U.S. government is in charge of saving and protecting more than 1,622 animals and plants on the endangered species list. Over the past four decades, the Endangered Species Act has saved 99 percent of the species under its care from extinction. The Trump administration, however, threatens to undermine that success through a deadly combination of drastic budget cuts, policy changes, neglect and abandonment of programs that have proven worthwhile. Here are the 10 species mostly likely to be driven extinct by the Trump administration

African elephant1. African Elephant
Endangered Species Act protected since 1978

African elephants are highly intelligent and social animals. They display grief, altruism, compassion and self-awareness. Elephants rely on their long-term memories, coupled with seasonal cues, to travel vast distances in close-knit herds to find water and food throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

Tragically, these elephants — Earth’s largest land mammals — are being slaughtered for their ivory tusks at rates that are causing severe population declines across the continent. Habitat loss, human-elephant conflict and political instability pose additional and significant long-term challenges to the elephants’ survival.

The corpses of elephants with tusks removed by poachers are being found almost daily.

Trump Budget: A Death Sentence for Elephants, Wolves, More
Center for Biological Diversity
2/22/18

A new Center for Biological Diversity analysis of the proposal identifies the top 10 species that would be likely driven extinct by his plans, including red wolves, whooping cranes and African elephants.
Read the rest at: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-budget-endangered-species-state-grants_us_5a8584f1e4b0774f31d28e73

Oh HufPo, you never cease to amaze with your vitriol. African elephants?? really??

Next we'll see an article about how Trump's plans will stop rain world wide for 400 years (or some such non-sense)...

onawah

25th February 2018, 03:47

The Farm Bill--Organic Consumers Association
Tell Congress: Put More Veggies—and Less Junk Food—in the Farm Bill
https://action.organicconsumers.org/o/50865/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=21517

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) recommends we all eat 2 to 3 cups of vegetables per day.

What would happen if we all tried to follow that recommendation? We’d soon find out that there aren’t enough vegetables available for Americans to follow USDA guidelines.

That’s because the Farm Bill, that massive piece of legislation that determines how $90 billion a year in tax dollars is spent to shape our food system, favors subsidies that support processed, GMO junk foods, over healthy, nutrient-dense vegetables.

TAKE ACTION: Tell Congress: Put more veggies in the Farm Bill!

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 91 percent of Americans don’t eat the recommended amount of vegetables.

Maybe that’s because most schools don’t serve veggies, so kids grow up without developing a taste for them. Maybe it’s because, relative to processed junk food, vegetables are expensive.

But it’s also true that Americans couldn’t eat the recommended amount of vegetables even if they wanted to—because there aren’t enough to go around.

Without enough vegetables to go around, about 85 percent of Americans don’t get the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) recommended daily intakes of the most important vitamins and minerals necessary for proper physical and mental development. Is it any wonder that half of all American adults—117 million individuals—have one or more preventable chronic diseases, many of which are related to poor diet?

We have the Farm Bill to thank for America’s vegetable deficit—and for the fact that people who rely on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to help feed their families aren’t encouraged under that program, which is funded under the Farm Bill, to buy vegetables.

Nearly 41.2 million Americans live in food-insecure households, including 12.9 million children.

To relieve hunger, Congress should protect and strengthen the SNAP program.

Under the current Farm Bill, SNAP benefits are too low—they average less than $1.39 per person per meal.

SNAP recipients and other low-income individuals who struggle to fill themselves up on this budget are driven towards high-calorie, nutrient-poor foods. The top ten sources of calories for low-income eaters are, in descending order, soda, chicken, sweets, bread, tortillas, pizza, beef, pasta, chips, and alcohol.

What do most of these foods have in common? They come from crops and animals that are heavily subsidized by the Farm Bill.

According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study, people with the highest consumption of federally subsidized foods had a 37-percent greater risk of being obese. They were also significantly more likely to have belly fat, abnormal cholesterol, high levels of blood sugar and inflammation.

How do we fix SNAP? And provide more vegetables for everyone? We fix the Farm Bill.

Once every five years, the Farm Bill comes up for reauthorization, giving Congress a chance to rewrite it. This year, 2018, it’s up again.

If Congress wants to help reduce malnutrition and diet-related disease, it should include legislation in the Farm Bill to encourage the production of more organic vegetables—instead of considering nonsense proposal’s like Trump’s “Harvest Box” which would force-feed nutrient-poor processed (and highly subsidized) foods to SNAP recipients.
See:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/harvest-box-snap-food-stamps.html

It’s time to stop letting Congress use the Farm Bill to subsidize the richest landowners growing monocultures of Monsanto’s pesticide-drenched genetically engineered grains used to make high fructose corn syrup, ethanol and feed for animals in factory farms.

We need healthy food for healthy people. That means we need a better Farm Bill.

TAKE ACTION: Tell Congress: Give us a Farm Bill with More Veggies!
https://action.organicconsumers.org/o/50865/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=21517

Trump’s ‘Harvest Box’ Isn’t Viable in SNAP Overhaul, Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/harvest-box-snap-food-stamps.html

But on Monday, the Trump administration sprung a surprise: Under a proposal in the president’s budget many participants in the program would be given half their benefits in the form of a “Harvest Box” full of food preselected for nutritional value and economic benefit to American farmers. The cache of cheaper peanut butter, canned goods, pasta, cereal, “shelf stable” milk and other products would now be selected by the federal government, not by the people actually eating it.

The proposal seemed like a radical overhaul of the country’s core food assistance program — once called food stamps but now commonly known as SNAP. The idea was to shave about $21 billion a year from the federal deficit over the next 10 years. But the reaction was immediate, and largely negative.

Democrats claimed the plan shackled the poor while business groups, led by big food retailers, would stand to lose billions of dollars in lost SNAP business. The head of one trade association typically supportive of President Trump’s economic policies accused the administration of reneging on its pledge to cut “red tape and regulations.”

onawah

27th February 2018, 21:03

Trump's Budget Cuts off Nutrition Assistance
Food Policy Action Education Fund
https://fpa-ef.p2a.co/PDv0cH2?p2asource=jtk58-nd

...With the abundance that exists in our country, no one, especially children, the elderly, and the disabled, should have to go hungry. Food asssistance is under threat from harmful, unnecessary changes like the ones proposed in President Trump's budget that would cut off nutrition assistance for millions of poor Americans.The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is the first line of defense against hunger in the U.S. This essential program that ensures millions of struggling Americans — including millions of children, seniors, people with disabilities, low-wage workers, and veterans — get the nutrition they need is under attack. Join Food Policy Action Education Fund in calling on your Members of Congress to reject harmful and unnecessary changes to SNAP and strengthen this critical program in the upcoming Farm Bill.
The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is our first line of defense against hunger. It ensures millions of struggling Americans – including children, seniors, people with disabilities, low-wage workers, and veterans – get the nutrition they need. But right now, it's under attack.

You've probably already heard about the Trump budget's plan to mail out food boxes full of processed grains and canned foods, replacing SNAP benefits that can be spent on fruits and veggies at the grocery store or farmers markets. And that's not even the worst plan this administration has proposed for Congress!

We can't let them get away with it: Click here right now to find your member of Congress and demand they protect Americans' access to healthy, affordable food!
https://fpa-ef.p2a.co/PDv0cH2?p2asource=jtk58-nd
If everyone reading this email reached out to their member of Congress about better food policies, you bet they would pay attention. Members of Congress have a lot on their plate, but they need to start fighting for what is on ours, especially for the millions of underserved families who rely on food assistance.

Help us defend and strengthen SNAP in the upcoming Farm Bill.

Here's the best link to join our Lobby Day and tell lawmakers on Capitol Hill to protect our food system:
https://fpa-ef.p2a.co/PDv0cH2

Thanks for everything you do.

Monica Mills
Executive Director
Food Policy Action Education Fund

Wind

28th February 2018, 15:29

Still draining the swamp, eh?

Cristi Copac

28th February 2018, 16:27

I personally like president trump. I think he's the best president ever.

onawah

28th February 2018, 22:30

Center for Biological Diversity
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/action/alerts/
2/27/18

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt is putting polluters' profits over your health. He just proposed to repeal the Clean Power Plan. The Clean Power Plan set the first nationwide limits on U.S. power plant pollution. No plan to stop climate change can succeed without addressing this dangerous source of greenhouse gases. Pruitt's move threatens our planet and will cost lives.

Please send a letter to Pruitt demanding that he not kill the Clean Power Plan.

In addition to carbon dioxide and other planet-warming gases, burning fossil fuels in power plants fills the air with harmful pollutants that sicken and kill people every year. According to the EPA's own analysis, the Clean Power Plan would prevent up to 4,500 premature deaths per year. It's an absolutely vital measure that must be upheld and enforced.

Pruitt's reckless attempt to kill the plan is the biggest industry giveaway proposed by the Trump administration so far. Demand that Pruitt do his job and support the Clean Power Plan that's so critical to protecting our environment and your health.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/action/alerts/

onawah

28th February 2018, 22:40

Trump's 'Harvest Boxes' Are a Terrible, Horrible No-Good, Very Bad Idea
https://action.organicconsumers.org/content_item/oca-email?email_blast_KEY=1386121
2/27/18

Tell Congress:
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program

It’s not every day that the crowd at a Washington, D.C. policy conference gets rowdy. But that was the scene on Tuesday (Feb. 26) at the National Anti-Hunger Policy Conference.

It happened when the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) top nutrition official (and keynote speaker) Brandon Lipps touted Trump’s “America’s Harvest Box” scheme. Reporting on the event, Politico said the crowd erupted in boos and laughter. About 20 people walked out.

Good to know that at least some of the people focused on anti-hunger policies recognize “America’s Harvest Box” for what it is—just one more scheme to subsidize Big Ag and Big Food while undermining the health and well-being of some of America’s most vulnerable families.

TAKE ACTION: Ask Your Member of Congress to tell the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture that SNAP should promote good nutrition, not boxes of factory farm and processed GMO foods.

Trump is asking for $30 million to test the “America’s Harvest Box” program in a “small number” states.

Under the program, about 16 million low-income families who qualify for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as Food Stamps, would start getting only about half as much money to spend on food as the SNAP program has allotted them in the past. The money would be replaced by a government-issued box of “shelf-stable” food products such as peanut butter, canned goods (including meat), pasta, cereal, “shelf stable” milk and other products.

In other words, some of the least nutritious food available, most of it produced with pesticides.

Trump’s “Harvest Box” scheme has been met with widespread scorn, including from the Food Research and Action Center (FRAC), which told Politico the idea is “a Rube-Goldberg designed system” that would be “costly, inefficient, stigmatizing and prone to failure.”

But that doesn’t mean the plan is dead on arrival. "America's Harvest Box" has the full support of Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue, who recently told the Los Angeles Times:

“It's not a sham. It's not a silly proposal. It's something that we'd like to see seriously considered and debated."

Given what we’ve seen come out of the Trump administration so far, we can’t count on saner heads to prevail.

Please let Congress know that vulnerable children need wholesome, nutrient-dense fresh (and preferably organic) foods—not processed factory farm food products. Tell Congress that the USDA should support more local, organic and regenerative farmers—not factory farms and junk food producers.

TAKE ACTION: Ask Your Member of Congress to tell the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture that SNAP should promote good nutrition, not boxes of factory farm and processed GMO foods.
https://action.organicconsumers.org/o/50865/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=21531
Thanks for taking action!

- Katherine, for the team at OCA

Cristi Copac

1st March 2018, 06:07

onawah are you a socialist?

onawah

1st March 2018, 21:38

Attacks on Public Lands Surged During Year One of Trump
Center for Biological Diversity
3/1/18

Something isn't right: More than 90 percent of Americans from both political parties want to protect and maintain national forests, parks, monuments and wildlife refuges — yet Congress unleashed a vicious slew of attacks on public lands and waters in 2017, according to a new Center for Biological Diversity report.

The 115th Congress introduced 124 bills last year to strip protection from precious public places. The top six culprits — all far-right Republicans — were Alaska's Rep. Don Young and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, Wyoming's Sen. John Barrasso, Arizona's Sen. Jeff Flake, and Nevada's Sen. Dean Heller and Rep. Mark Amodei.

"Our public lands and waters have never been under greater threat," said the Center's Paulo Lopes. "Cherished places that Americans thought were protected forever are being put on the chopping block to benefit fossil fuel companies and other special interests."

Read the report.
https://docs.google.com/gview?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.biologicaldiversity.org%2fprograms%2fpublic_lands%2fpdfs%2fUnder-Seige.PDF
page 3: Executive Summary

The stakes for America’s public lands have never been higher. Congressional attacks on lands and oceans held
in trust for all Americans reached a fever pitch in 2017 and don’t show any signs of letting up. Public lands
are some of the nation’s most spectacular places, providing respite and recreation for millions, critical wildlife
habitat, clean air and water.
For this report we reviewed all of the bills introduced by the 115th Congress between Jan. 3, 2017 and Dec. 31,
2017 — the first year of the Trump administration. Lawmakers hostile to public lands and beholden to corporate
interests clearly see the Trump administration as a golden opportunity to seize, dismantle, destroy or privatize
America’s public lands and hand control to private industry to mine, drill, log and bulldoze.
Our key findings:
• More than 120 bills were introduced to strip protections from national monuments, parks, wildlife
refuges, national forest and ocean sanctuaries. That’s over a 25 percent increase during the same period
of the 114th Congress.
• Alaska’s congressional delegation, led by Republican Rep. Don Young and Republican Sen. Lisa
Murkowski, introduced more than 25 bills, or 20 percent of all public lands attacks, including bills to
allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and privatize more than 175,000 acres (273 square
miles).
• More than 100 bills would eliminate or weaken environmental laws and regulations on public lands.
• More than 35 bills would take federal lands out of the public’s hands.
• Overall, the most common legislative assault were bills to keep the public from knowing about
environmental and public health threats from fracking, drilling, mining and logging.
This report is a follow-up to the Center for Biological Diversity’s Public Lands Enemies report, published in
March 2017, which covered public lands attacks in the 112th, 113th and 114th congressional sessions.1
Similar
to the lawmakers covered in that report’s findings, the lawmakers leading the latest assault on public lands share
not just ideology, but many of the same corporate donors. Together the top six 2017 Public Lands Enemies
collected more than $3 million from fossil fuel and logging interests, including Chevron, Duke Energy, Exxon
Mobil, Murray Energy and PG&E.

onawah

2nd March 2018, 19:56

Hundreds of species are threatened by a White House attack on public lands.
International Fund for Animal Welfare
http://action.ifaw.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1720&ea.campaign.id=97966&ms=UONDG180340002&mailid=19119347&utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&spMailingID=19119347&spUserID=MTUwMTI1NTcwMzA5S0&spJobID=1220134108&spReportId=MTIyMDEzNDEwOAS2

America’s wildlife faces a new threat.
Our spectacular National Monuments are under attack by the Trump White House, which wants to turn over this heritage to industrial exploitation.

The Senate is fighting back with a strong new bill. You can help protect these irreplaceable lands and the hundreds of species, from elk and pronghorn antelopes to mountain lions and right whales, that call them home.

National Monuments offer safe habitat to wildlife and plants of all kinds. They include such vital ocean preserves as the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts National Marine Monument, the first marine monument to ever be established in the Atlantic Ocean. This pristine area encompasses essential feeding grounds for numerous whale and dolphin species, including the critically endangered North Atlantic right whale.

But sites like this are in jeopardy. Officials are working to shrink monuments and open tens of millions of acres to appease ultra-rich industries.

Under the Trump plan, right whale habitat could be overrun by large-scale fishing operations. In Utah, the White House move could mean open season for fossil looters and the gas and uranium industries.

Stand up for wildlife
President Trump’s actions are unprecedented and potentially illegal – lawmakers never intended to destroy Monuments. These are the American people’s lands and oceans, which is why the Senate has stepped up with a new bill to make that crystal clear to the White House.

The new ANTIQUITIES Act of 2018, S. 2354, would go a long way toward protecting national monuments from politically motivated attacks. Help us propel this effort to the finish line. Tell your Senators to support the Antiquities Act of 2018!
http://action.ifaw.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1720&ea.campaign.id=97966&ms=UONDG180340002&mailid=19119347&utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&spMailingID=19119347&spUserID=MTUwMTI1NTcwMzA5S0&spJobID=1220134108&spReportId=MTIyMDEzNDEwOAS2

onawah

4th March 2018, 18:50

Why Trump Is Wrong About Offshore Drilling
Before a president auctions off U.S. coastlines to oil companies, he has to ask state governors, Congress, local businesses, and you. Here’s how Trump is ignoring that process—and how it’s endangering coastal communities
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/why-trump-wrong-about-offshore-drilling?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=story1&utm_campaign=email
March 01, 2018 Brian Palmer NRDC

This is a transcript of the video:

In 1896, drillers struck oil in 35 feet of water off the Santa Barbara coast. It kicked off more than a century of arguing about the oil and gas buried in the continental shelf.

In January, the Trump administration announced a plan to expose almost the entire U.S. coastline to drilling. To understand why this decision shocked people, you have to understand a little about how the process is supposed to work and how the Trump administration basically ignored it.

In the late 1970s, the Interior Department divided the coast into 26 segments. Since then, every few years, the department is supposed to examine whether it makes sense to allow drilling in each of these areas.

And take this one: Drilling would threaten Atlantic coastal communities, which rely on fishing and tourism. So most administrations have taken this out. Alaska’s Bristol Bay hosts the world’s greatest salmon fishery, so this one usually comes out, too.

After each round of decisions, the administration is required to seek feedback from other parts of the federal government, state officials, and the public. Maybe the military asks to eliminate portions of this block, because oil exploration would interfere with naval activities. Maybe Californians ask to protect this area, because it’s home to endangered whales. There are lots of reasons not to drill for oil along the U.S. coastline.

Presidents can also place moratoria on drilling in certain areas, as the first President Bush, President Clinton, and President Obama all did. That can take them off the map permanently.

Most administrations have decided not to allow leasing along the vast majority of the coast, in part because Congress prohibited drilling in most areas up until 2008.

These are the only segments where George H. W. Bush allowed leasing in 1992.

This is Bill Clinton’s map from 1997.

This is what George W. Bush did.

And this is the most recent plan completed by President Obama in 2016. He only considered drilling leases in these three segments in the Gulf and this one in Alaska.

In President Trump’s draft plan, he excluded this one—nothing else. That’s right. Under Trump’s current proposal, drilling can happen almost anywhere in American waters.

Tell Congress to stop Trump's dirty, dangerous offshore drilling plan
TAKE ACTION: https://act.nrdc.org/letter/ocs-offshore-180123?source=WBSOCSPET&_ga=2.209676178.1040987585.1520183520-755773569.1501882454

Why would he do that? Well, while citizens, politicians, and admirals are telling the administration where not to drill, oil executives are clamoring to drill everywhere. They say things like this:

“The industries reliance on advanced state-of-the-art technology ensures that we can safely and responsibly develop the vast oil and gas resources off our coast.”

You hear that enough times, and it becomes hard to resist. Here’s President Obama, one of the most environmentally friendly presidents in modern American history on April 2, 2010:

“It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced.”

Eighteen days later, this happened. The oil impacted communities in five states across 1,300 miles of U.S. coastline. President Obama learned a lesson from the Deepwater Horizon: There will always be spills. That’s why near the end of his term, he banned drilling forever in most of the Arctic and important parts of the Atlantic. This is also why governors in most coastal states oppose Trump’s plan.

Drilling would threaten their economies and the communities that rely on coastal waters. Two-hundred municipalities, 1,200 local officials, and 40,000 coastal businesses have spoken out against offshore drilling in their areas.

By proposing to drill just about everywhere, President Trump is ignoring not only these people—and the permanent legal limitations instituted by past administrations—he’s also ignoring the lessons of history.

Remember those Santa Barbara wildcatters? They drilled for six years, then left the beach covered in oil.

There will always be spills.
RELATED STORIES
ONEARTH STORY
As Trump Moves to Expand Offshore Drilling, He Proposes Shrinking Safety Protections. What Could Go Wrong?
Eight years after the BP disaster in the Gulf, the administration aims to relax the rules designed to prevent catastrophic explosions and spills.
https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/trump-moves-expand-offshore-drilling-he-shrinks-safety-protections-what-could-go-wrong

SOUTHEAST DISPATCH
Offshore Drilling in the Atlantic? “That’s Not Who We Are.”
Southern communities prefer their coastlines sandy, beautiful, and bountiful—not filled with rigs and air guns blasting ships or covered in oil.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/offshore-drilling-atlantic-thats-not-who-we-are

ONEARTH STORY
Zinke vs. Coastal Governors
These states don’t want any part of the Interior secretary’s scheme to drill in our oceans.
https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/zinke-vs-governors

(I would add to the argument the fact taxpayers are generally the ones who have to pay for the cleanups, not the corporations.)

onawah

6th March 2018, 17:48

Trump to expand dangerous offshore drilling in the Arctic, Pacific and Atlantic oceans as well as the eastern Gulf of Mexico
(ie Robbing Peter to pay Paul)
OCEANA
3/6/18
Please take action here:
https://act.oceana.org/page/21057/action/1?ea.tracking.id=homepage&_ga=2.124231874.956223710.1520358025-2047930241.1515694791

Opening the floodgates to dirty and dangerous offshore drilling is a catastrophe waiting to happen for marine life, coastal communities and our oceans. President Trump’s radical offshore drilling plan puts oil industry priorities ahead of people, ignoring widespread local and state opposition.

Together, we protected much of the Atlantic and Arctic from dirty new drilling, but now those protections are at risk. We must stand united once more, before it’s too late.

Tell President Trump and Secretary Zinke: No new offshore drilling before our oceans, marine life and communities pay the ultimate price.
Expanding offshore drilling into currently unleased areas of America’s Arctic, Pacific, Atlantic and Eastern Gulf of Mexico waters would put coastal residents, businesses, and oceans at grave risk. Offshore drilling leads to increased risk of devastating oil spills that impact beaches, wildlife, ecosystems, and all of the businesses that depend on a clean coast. Ocean-based industries like fishing, tourism and recreation generate 2.2 million American jobs and $108.37 billion in GDP in U.S. coastal states, according to the National Ocean Economics Program’s 2016 report. The National OCS Program should reflect the needs of hard-working Americans that rely upon a clean and healthy coast.

Moreover, the governors of Florida, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, California, Oregon and Washington oppose new leasing off their coast. More than 200 municipalities in East and West Coast states formally oppose offshore drilling and/or exploration. More than 42,000 businesses and 500,000 fishing families have also joined this overwhelming chorus of voices against expanded offshore drilling. The draft plan in its current state disregards this widespread opposition.

The draft plan presents a dangerous and backward policy direction. To meet national energy needs, the Department of Interior should wholly reconsider their proposal for expanded offshore drilling and instead refocus agency resources to identify strategies to expand clean energy sources. Advancing clean and renewable energy will allow future generations to enjoy unlimited supplies of American-made, pollution-free energy.

onawah

9th March 2018, 03:54

Defend farmers and ranchers from the King Amendment
Organization for Competitive Markets
3/8/18
http://stopkingsattack.com/#take-action

Rep. Steve King of Iowa has never been a friend of the family farmer or rural communities, but his latest Farm Bill proposal attacks all of our fundamental rights, and we can’t and won’t idly stand by.

King’s “Protect Interstate Commerce Act” would wipe out virtually any state or local law on the books regarding agricultural products, only to benefit a few global agribusiness interests. Organization for Competitive Markets, along with Family Farm Action and a coalition of partners, is fighting back against Rep. King and H.R. 4879/H.R. 3599. This amendment, which King is attempting to insert into the 2018 Farm Bill, could mean the end of American family farms and rural communities as we know them, and we need your help >>

If it passes, H.R. 4879/H.R. 3599 would limit consumer choice, slash the ability of local governments to protect citizens, and sacrifice market opportunities that allow family farmers to continue doing their jobs. If you’re as outraged as we are, will you join our grassroots coalition and sign this petition to let Rep. King and Congress know that these abuses of our family farmers will not stand?Because the United States is vast and geographically diverse, farming practices and environmental conditions vary widely from state to state. That’s why local and state governments best understand community needs for food and agriculture. Congressman King wants to mandate a one-size-fits-all approach for environmental standards, labor rights, animal welfare, and community safety. King’s amendment tramples on the fundamental principles of government that have guided our nation since its founding — just to benefit the special interests of a few corporate agribusinesses.

Our coalition, with help from farmers in AR, is leading the fight against King’s Farm Bill amendment, and against big agribusinesses that stand to benefit from this misguided bill... Can you add your name and stand together with our coalition?
http://stopkingsattack.com/#take-action

onawah

9th March 2018, 16:57

Posting this from:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101087-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-all-things-Fitts&p=1212924&viewfull=1#post1212924 here as well, as follows:

At 28 minutes in Catherine talks about Trump wanting to keep the uni-polar model going and how she doesn't agree with some of the tactics he is using.
At about 32 minutes in, she talks of her concerns about the enormous US and China black budgets and how the US is starting "an arms war that could bankrupt us all".
Later she talks about fossil fuels vs advanced technology and the need to ditch the former and utilize the latter much more.
Meanwhile of course Trump is pushing coal mining, fracking, drilling, etc. and easing standards on pollution and environmental protection, for which taxpayers, not polluters, generally end up paying the bill, and which cause loss of revenues for industries such as tourism, food production, etc., and pose many risks to the public health and safety, not to mention the environment in general.

I think it's very helpful that she is presenting a more balanced view of Trump's policies now.
No matter how much relief has been generated by Clinton's defeat and the swamp draining, Trump's policies still need to be appraised without bias just as any administration's would be, and clearly many of them are not solutions at all, but simply "robbing Peter to pay Paul".

Q-ToRe50_9E

Greg Hunter
Published on Mar 6, 2018

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with financial expert Catherine Austin Fitts, Publisher of The Solari Report.

Michelle Marie

9th March 2018, 19:07

Non-profits are indeed being infiltrated and funded by those with less than altruistic motives, but most of them are still doing good work and you can support that much if you are selective.
Many non-profits, including the NRDC, are sending activist letters to Congress asking them NOT to drill along the coasts.
I don't see a problem with that.
Non-profits are less corruptible than politicians, at least, and it's a way to remain pro-active in the larger community.

Are you sure about that? Not trying to pick on you, but I've found NGO's to be littered with corruption. The amount of NGO's involved in Agenda 21 is astronomical. Agenda 21 is 'deep state'. 'Deep state' means you have a an unelected government running alongside the original government using manipulation to control. Manipulation via NGO's! This is corruption!

"Once a problem has been identified, every NGO, non-profit, and local government body has a vast stock of sustainability development solutions ready at the helm, provided by the ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). They are the jackpot of solutions for change agents- enabling them to“identify” problems with the goal of implementing predetermined outcomes that advance sustainable development policies.

What does all this mean, in simple terms? It means that most local communities have in place a nonelected board that can see opportunity with your land, create a crisis with the backing of NGO’s and enforced by federal agencies that are then able to deem land unusable for you, the citizen, but usable for their agenda of sustainable development, aka: LAND GRAB."

Source: http://www.tennessee-elections.org/Agenda-21.html

Bombshell Connection Between Charlottesville, Soros, CIA
https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-connection-between-charlottesville-soros-cia/

"Soros-funded NGO’s have been able to achieve regime change in other countries by quite literally teaming up with Neo-nazis and “moderate” terrorists.

Now, investigative reporter Lee Stranahan reveals the same players involved in the Ukraine overthrow are working behind the scenes to oust President Trump."

Corrupt People Use NGOs As A Front, Says Okonjo-Iweala
https://www.thecable.ng/corrupt-people-use-ngos-as-cover-okonjo-iweala
"Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, chairman of the Global Alliance for Vaccine and Immunization (GAVI), says corrupt people use non-governmental organisations (NGOs) as cover to get a clean bill of health on transparency."

https://odihpn.org/magazine/corruption-in-the-ngo-world-what-it-is-and-how-to-tackle-it/

To me, this is the "elephant in the room" that has its power due to lack of awareness and minions that have been deceived by "Opposite Day" language.

This Agenda 21-Agenda2030-Resilience is coming down fast and hard now. I'm observing it in my own community.
Just today I responded to an email about an educational program that I was invited to as a community educator. There is a training that used the term "resilience" in the title. I responded and said point blank: "I know that this is brainwashing. Check your conscience. Do some research. Check where the funding is coming from." That was the gist of my message, although it was a little longer.

President Trump is not to blame for everything that is wrong in government. The fact that he has made tremendous progress is an honor to his soul. He is not perfect. He may not know the extent of the agenda; most don't. It's too compartmentalized and deceptive.

He is, however, responsible and accountable for his choices, just like every one of us. Let whoever is perfect cast the first stone.

The question is:**** "What progress are we making individually?" **** We each have a part to play. There is not one person that's going to come along and save us. We are inspired from within to take responsibility and do something to make a positive difference.

For each problem listed on this thread, what is the solution?

If we gather awareness, then stay solution-focused, we have the opportunity to overcome all of the evils of the world by using our inherent God-given intelligence.

I'm working within my community to raise awareness and provide solutions around education. That's my piece.

Thank you, we-Are-one, for bringing up this topic. It deserves our attention. This may be the biggest thing we are being distracted from.

More on the solution on another thread...

MM :sun:

onawah

9th March 2018, 19:29

Michelle Marie

9th March 2018, 23:52

How did you know that was brainwashing, Michelle?
And what thread are you referring to?

Just today I responded to an email about an educational program that I was invited to as a community educator. There is a training that used the term "resilience" in the title. I responded and said point blank: "I know that this is brainwashing. Check your conscience. Do some research. Check where the funding is coming from." That was the gist of my message, although it was a little longer.

More on the solution on another thread...

How do you know it was brainwashing?

Because I've watched inculcation/brainwashing occur in public schools in regards to deep state agendas. Includes pharmaceuticals and military presence and mental/perception conditioning. I've seen the techniques used for both teachers and students. I've been to a "training" where the climate change agenda was hidden within the curriculum. I've seen the community initiatives.

See this post: (copies of some of the materials)
Climate change link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-...Climate-Change...--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam&p=1212660&viewfull=1#post1212660

"What thread were you referring to?"

A Solution Revolution
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102039-A-Solution-Revolution&p=1213089&viewfull=1#post1213089

Genius Rising: The Science of Consciousness
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101686-Genius-Rising-The-Science-of-Consciousness&p=1207108&viewfull=1#post1207108

Intentional Meditation
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101306-Intentional-MEDITATION-Group-Sharing

I'm directing my attention and efforts to focus on and work towards solutions. These threads above describe what I'm referring to.

:sun: MM

we-R-one

10th March 2018, 00:18

To me, this is the "elephant in the room" that has its power due to lack of awareness and minions that have been deceived by "Opposite Day" language.

And "Opposite Day" intent which is why so many are fooled.

This Agenda 21-Agenda2030-Resilience is coming down fast and hard now. I'm observing it in my own community.
Just today I responded to an email about an educational program that I was invited to as a community educator. There is a training that used the term "resilience" in the title. I responded and said point blank: "I know that this is brainwashing. Check your conscience. Do some research. Check where the funding is coming from." That was the gist of my message, although it was a little longer.

President Trump is not to blame for everything that is wrong in government. The fact that he has made tremendous progress is an honor to his soul. He is not perfect. He may not know the extent of the agenda; most don't. It's too compartmentalized and deceptive.

He is, however, responsible and accountable for his choices, just like every one of us. Let whoever is perfect cast the first stone.

The question is: "What progress are we making individually?" We each have a part to play. There is not one person that's going to come along and save us. We are inspired from within to take responsibility and do something to make a positive difference.

For each problem listed on this thread, what is the solution?

If we gather awareness, then stay solution-focused, we have the opportunity to overcome all of the evils of the world by using our inherent God-given intelligence.

I'm working within my community to raise awareness and provide solutions around education. That's my piece.

Thank you, we-Are-one, for bringing up this topic. It deserves our attention. This may be the biggest thing we are being distracted from.

More on the solution on another thread...

MM :sun:

Oh I know Michelle....it's maddening. Most people have no idea how they're being 'used' to build the foundation of globalism who's end game is subjugating individual rights on every level. Endless policies and procedures are being put in place with the lie it's for the benefit of the environment. I'm appalled at how many people still don't understand...especially those in the various positions of authority! WTF is all I can say about their common sense skills.

I have no doubt the 'Delphi Techniques' used to push the Agenda 21 policies is also being used within the NGO organizations. It's amazing how fast these groups can be overtaken. I experienced this when running my patriot group. There was a guy purposely trying to interject himself onto the leadership team, he was slick. He tried to create 'the mole' scenario in our group and it backfired on him. We were a tight group. I watched him try it with two other groups and that's when it clicked, this guy was an infiltrator! Everywhere he went, he attempted to get involved in the core of the group. He created upheaval and discord amongst the members and that was the clue. I finally contacted every leader of every group in our area and warned them of this bloke's behavior and likely intent. It was clear to me he was trying to break up the unity within these groups. Likely there are some NGO's started with good intentions, but even more likely they've been over-run by infiltrators supporting the Agenda 21 blueprint which is easily revealed once one knows the buzz words, intentions and game plan supporting its end game.

Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) in the United States

"The United States firmly believes that a robust civil society - independent of state control or government involvement- is necessary for democracy to thrive. From the earliest days of U.S. history, civil society organizations have played a key role in protecting human rights and advancing human progress. Civil society is a source of all-encompassing ideas, promoting everything from transparency and free expression, reversing inequality, and rescuing our environment."

LMao...see bolded and underlined...ya that's the ruse...Continuing....

"Approximately 1.5 million NGOs operate in the United States. These NGOs undertake a wide array of activities, including political advocacy on issues such as foreign policy, elections, the environment, healthcare, women’s rights, economic development, and many other issues. They often develop and address new approaches to social and economic problems that governments cannot address alone. Many NGOs in the United States operate in fields that are not related to politics. These include volunteer organizations rooted in shared religious faith, labor unions, groups that help vulnerable people, such as the poor or disabled, and groups that seek to empower youth or marginalized populations. Indeed, NGOs exist to represent virtually every cause imaginable. Their sources of finance include donations from private individuals (American or foreign), private sector for-profit companies, philanthropic foundations, or grants from federal, state, or local government. Sources of finance may also include foreign governments. There is no prohibition in U.S. law on foreign funding of NGOs; whether that foreign funding comes from governments or non-government sources."

Source: https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/fs/2017/266904.htm

Many groups being listed on this thread are the problematic one's because they're agenda is political (globalist /deep state) and they hide under the guise they're pro-environment. They're not the solution, they're the problem. Oh they're 'pro-environment' alright...with the point being to work towards making sure you're rights are completely under-minded and over-run all in the name of green and false pretenses! Those who don't understand the in's and out's of the end game of Agenda 21, who's going along with its playbook and how it's being implemented via NGO's, will continue to follow and support organizations who don't have your's or the environment's best interest in mind.

we-R-one

10th March 2018, 00:42

Here's an article by Mike Adams I feel is well stated and why many of us are against several of these environmental organizations. It's not because we're against being green....

Content focus: Climate change and “green energy” technologies

"We’ve been asked about our position on climate change and green energy. Are we pro coal? Pro solar? Pro wind? Pro oil? What’s our position?

Our position is simpler than you might suspect: We believe in renewable green energy as the best direction for human civilization. These energy sources currently include solar and wind, but they might also include zero-point energy or small-scale fusion reactors in the foreseeable future.

Until those energy sources are fully mature, however, we support America’s energy independence, which means leveraging the fossil fuels we have now to get us to a non-fossil-fuel economy, hopefully in the near future. America’s security truly depends on having our own energy supply, and it is inescapable that this must, by definition, involve natural gas, coal and petroleum (at least for now).

We also believe that much of what is said about “climate change” is rooted in extremely bad science and cultural myths pushed by a scientifically illiterate legacy media. Thus, we plan to continue covering the problems with such junk science claims, but at the same time we fully support green energy initiatives. Fossil fuels won’t last forever, and humanity needs to develop alternative energy sources to have any real sustainability as a civilization.

In essence, we are pro “green energy” but also skeptics of popular climate change narratives. Watch for us to continue covering green energy innovations and breakthroughs as they are documented in the science journals we monitor."

Source:https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-01-09-natural-news-update-science-content-lab-expansion-new-websites.html

It's why many of us agree with Trump's move in regards to offshore drilling. Trump 'gets' it. Relying on other countries for our oil is a national security threat. How weak we look, a country of our size, refusing to use our own untapped oil reserves... There's no reason why we shouldn't be providing for our own.

EDIT TO ADD: However, I have some doubts about the efficiencies of renewable energy based on what I've seen take place in other countries. Much improvement is needed!

onawah

10th March 2018, 01:02

IMHO, fossil fuels day has already come. There are plenty of green options already available, but they are not being employed.
Offshore drilling, fracking, coal mining, etc. are going to cause many more worse problems than they are going to solve.
I agree that much of the climate warming hoopla is just that--the science seems to support instead a mini-ice age coming that we are ill prepared for.
I agree that non-profits are being infiltrated and there are lots of underhanded dealings going on, but I think they are being perpetrated by all kinds of elitists and their slaves for all kinds of reasons, and the playing field is very muddy indeed.
But there are still good people working on their own and under the auspices of non-profits whose motivations are ethical, and I would feel much better about supporting them in taking back their power rather than supporting any politician, including Trump.
How to go about that is the question, and I am not confident that the answers are really all that clear yet, but one thing is sure, and that is that we are running short of time.

Merlinus

10th March 2018, 01:30

Donald Trump Freemason high priest

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=620s&v=GIbrnSYb3-I

Presidents are selected, not elected.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

we-R-one

10th March 2018, 04:03

IMHO, fossil fuels day has already come. There are plenty of green options already available, but they are not being employed.
For clarification, which of those options are you referring to? Then I would want to know, have they been widely tested? Who’s in charge of them? How fast can they be implemented? Are they affordable?

Are you aware of some of the disasters created by renewable energy? Here’s one:

Has Spain Learned Its Renewable Energy Lesson?

“Spiraling Costs
The problem was that this subsidy scheme was appallingly badly structured and Spain began to have an insurmountable deficit between the amount utilities companies were paying to green energy providers, and the amount those companies were getting from their customers.

Much of this was due to the fact that the costs were not passed on to customers, so as the cost of supply went up, the prices for the energy remained very low. At its peak in 2012, Spain lost €7.3 billion and has reached debts of €26 billion. But this is far from being the only problem that Spain’s failed green revolution created.
It has been suggested 2.2 jobs were lost for every job that the green energy industry created. And each green job that was created is estimated to have cost Spanish taxpayers an eye-watering $770,000 (and only one in ten of those jobs were permanent). It’s clear, then, that Spain got its attempt at promoting renewable energy wrong – very badly wrong.

The ‘Sun tax’
It doesn’t end there. The Spanish government have even been strongly criticised for the policies that they have used to attempt to get the country out of the situation. They have introduced the first ever so-called ‘sun tax’ – where new solar installations face heavy taxes which makes it almost impossible for them to be economically viable.

Some have suggested that this tax is reasonable, as those using their own solar energy usually rely on the national grid as a backup if they aren’t producing enough solar power. However, others have suggested that the government is merely acting to protect traditional power suppliers who don’t want to see the solar industry succeed.”

Source: https://blueandgreentomorrow.com/features/spain-learned-renewable-energy-lesson/

You have mentioned your concern for wildlife, most are, so I would think you’d understand how this could be a problem:

Spanish Wind Farms Kill 6 to 18 Million Birds and Bats A Year

“On 12 January 2012, at the First Scientific Congress on Wind Energy and Wildlife Conservation in Jerez de la Frontera, Spain, the Spanish Society of Ornithology (SEO/Birdlife) made public its estimate that, yearly, Spain’s 18,000 wind turbines may be killing 6 to 18 million birds and bats (1). The average per turbine comes down to 333 – 1,000 deaths annually, which is a far cry from the 2 – 4 birds claimed by the American wind industry, or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain.”

Source: http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/releases/spanish-wind-farms-kill-6-to-18-million-birds-bats-a-year.html

Here’s another country experiencing issues with renewable energy:

Germany’s Green Energy Disaster: A Cautionary Tale For World Learders

“Because renewable power sources have been so unreliable, Germany has been forced to construct numerous new coal plants in an effort to replace the nuclear energy it has taken offline. In fact the country will build more coal-fired facilities this year than at any time in the past two decades – bringing an estimated 5,300 megawatts of new capacity online. Most of these facilities will burn lignite, too, which is strip-mined and emits nearly 30 percent more carbon dioxide than hard coal.

In other words Germany is dirtying the planet in the name of clean energy – and sticking its citizens with an ever-escalating tab so it can subsidize an energy source which will never generate sufficient power.

This is the cautionary tale of command energy economics - one other nations would be wise to heed."

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/03/14/germanys-green-energy-disaster-a-cautionary-tale-for-world-leaders/#4670d65854e9

Wow wish I could double underline the statements above. LMAO...coal plants?? Really? More like rolling my eyes rather than laughing. I could be wrong about this, but I think at least in the US we're now using clean coal, I'm not sure Germany is doing the same? Need to do further research on that one.

Offshore drilling, fracking, coal mining, etc. are going to cause many more worse problems than they are going to solve.

Sounds to me at this point renewable energy isn’t any better. So are we trading one nightmare for another? And at taxpayers expense?

I agree that non-profits are being infiltrated and there are lots of underhanded dealings going on, but I think they are being perpetrated by all kinds of elitists and their slaves for all kinds of reasons, and the playing field is very muddy indeed.

But there are still good people working on their own and under the auspices of non-profits whose motivations are ethical, and I would feel much better about supporting them in taking back their power rather than supporting any politician, including Trump.

I’m sure there are…but you lead the reader to believe you support organizations that are corrupt and proven to be following a false ‘green’ narrative, such as Sierra Club and Center For Biological Diversity to name a few, which is why many can’t support your stance. These organizations aren't set up for the purpose of saving the environment; they’re set up to keep the people off the land and unable to access resources, plunging humanity into a lifestyle we haven't seen since the Dark Ages! I’m wondering how much researching you’re really doing when you cut and paste these articles. Do you truly understand what you’re promoting? Or are you pulling these articles off of a news feed, which has been created with the intention to indoctrinate the public with a false narrative? It's a legitimate question.

Land-trust Missions Conform To United Nations “Agenda 21”
“A key component of protecting biodiversity was to set huge areas of land aside for nature,” Coffman said. “These are essentially de facto wilderness areas interconnected with wilderness corridors. The United Nations Global Biodiversity Assessment, the heart of Agenda 21 to protect biodiversity, calls for nearly a half of the nation to be put into these reserves and corridors. The federal government cooperated with states to implement the GAP program that uses geographic information layering to define where ecological sensitive areas needed protection.”

Source: http://www.themainewire.com/2012/08/land-trust-missions-conform-united-nations-agenda-21/

Many know of Sierra Club’s criminal activity. Not to be outdone, Center For Biological Diversity isn’t much better. But that’s the bone of contention many of us have…these people will do anything to push their nefarious agenda. When will people learn? Or maybe in fairness I should say, when will people wake up?

Thorpe Critic has Libelous Past
"This is a response to a recent Op-Ed (April 30) written by Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. It was titled, “Lawmaker Embraces A Racist And Violent Movement.” Suckling made numerous false statements about Arizona Representative Bob Thorpe, Cliven Bundy, and the Americans who traveled to Nevada to stand with Mr. Bundy.

"How could I forget that name? Kieran Suckling. He, along with three other employees of the Center for Biological Diversity, were ordered to pay $600,000 in a lawsuit back in 2005. The judge in that case awarded this amount to Jim Chilton, a fifth generation Southern Arizona Rancher. The press release stated that Executive Director Kieran Suckling “set the tone for making false statements” against Mr. Chilton. In fact, the Center for Biological Diversity was found guilty of making “false, unfair, libelous and defamatory statements” against Jim Chilton. Suckling and his Center for Biological Diversity went so far as to use misleading photographs in an unsuccessful attempt to block the renewal of Chilton’s grazing permit.
"The lawsuit-happy Center for Biological Diversity makes its living off of suing the federal government. It has received over $2 million in taxpayer dollars between 2009-2012 in settlement costs resulting from Endangered Species Act (ESA) related attorney fees and court cases.

"Suckling falsely calls Cliven Bundy a ranting, disgraced racist. This accusation is based on a video tape of Cliven Bundy that was heavily “edited” to distort his statements. This hacked up video traveled like wildfire from one media outlet to another. In response, one of Bundy’s volunteer body guards, who happens to be African American, spoke in defense of Cliven Bundy stating “I’d take a bullet for him.” A black Marine who was with Bundy stated, “He might not be tactful, but one thing he isn’t. He isn’t a racist.”

"Suckling calls the militia who arrived to defend Bundy thugs. But he purposely ignores the fact that the BLM arrived first, heavily armed, and posted snipers on hilltops. It was the BLM that blared over loudspeakers to unarmed men and women, including a Fox news reporter, “Leave the area or you will be fired upon.” The BLM thugs tased unarmed citizens, and even threw an unarmed woman to the ground. The BLM has a long history of thuggish cattle seizures.

"Kieran Suckling, known for making libelous, false statements, has attempted to damage the reputation of one of the finest representatives in the state of Arizona: Bob Thorpe.

"Thank you, Representative Thorpe, for demonstrating great courage by standing up for what’s right."

Source: http://www.gilbertwatch.com/index.cfm/blog/thorpe-critic-has-libelous-past/

And what a ruse it is! How can anyone support this organization or post as a credible source of solutions???

DOJ Documents Confirm Center for Biological Diversity Received Millions in Taxpayer Funds from ESA-Related Lawsuits

“The Center for Biological Diversity today sent a letter to House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Doc Hastings claiming their organization had only received $553,000 in taxpayer funds resulting from Endangered Species Act (ESA) related attorney fees and court cases. This claim conflicts with data obtained from the Department of Justice (DOJ), which shows over $2 million in taxpayer dollars have been paid out to the Center for Biological Diversity and their attorneys for cases open between 2009-2012.

The Center for Biological Diversity appears to have derived their erroneous number by including only checks made out directly to the Center for Biological Diversity over a select period of years. Attorney fees are typically paid out to the attorney of record. The Center for Biological Diversity is conveniently failing to include the majority of funds that were paid directly to their hired lawyers. Nine of the lawyers who have received payouts are currently employed by the Center for Biological Diversity.”

Source: https://naturalresources.house.gov/newsroom/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=301242

I could go on and on and on…. it’s not hard to find this kind of information if you know what to look for. This is what one has to do in order to understand what’s really going on...I think the appropriate term is 'vetting', however at times I feel like I'm working towards a PhD.

Michelle Marie

10th March 2018, 04:23

onawah

10th March 2018, 04:28

we-R-one

10th March 2018, 04:39

turiya

10th March 2018, 13:17

Donald Trump Freemason high priest

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=620s&v=GIbrnSYb3-I

Presidents are selected, not elected.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

I was looking into that because I wondering why he met with Henry Kissinger a few times, and Kissinger is a Knight of Malta.

Why did Trump meet with Kissinger? (Feb. 8, 2018)
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Henry Kissinger and other Knights of Malta
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/the-cia-connections-to-the-illuminati-knights-of-malta/

Red Mass (Justice Supreme Courts)
Blue Mass (Police Force)
Overseen by Jesuit Superior Generals

The Illuminist Intelligence agencies have a facade of doing good, when in reality they serve the Satanic cabal. [CIA, M15-6, Mossad, NSA, GCHQ(UK)]

*************
"This is how the Rothschilds and Illuminati Control the World"
http://better-management.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/This-is-how-the-Rothschilds-and-Illuminati-control-the-world.pdf

***Lists Knights of Malta, 33 degree Freemasons, etc.***

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Is Trump a Knight of Malta?
http://removetheveil.com/tag/trump/

"Nov 5 -- According to 4 Chan posts by "Q Anonymous"
(Read Jesuits 'Q Quele="Source")..." [as pointed out by LadyM]

Sealed U.S. District court documents in Washington D.C. for:
Company A & B: Podesta Group and Mercury Public Affairs regarding:
Paul Manafort's offshore accounts paid over $2Million in "lobbying fees"

**************
Diggin into it!
MM :hat:

Try, if you may, but I think that you will not find any such evidence regarding Trump being involved in any secret society, whatsoever.

As for Trump's meetings w/ Kissinger, Jerome Corsi has addressed this in one of the many videos in which he has been decoding the latest Q Anon drops. I will paraphrase it in brief...

Kissinger had been a graduate of Harvard where he earned his BA, MA & PhD. Corsi has said that he wrote his PhD thesis regarding the political balance of power with particular focus on the region of the Middle East. In other words, as bad a war criminal as he has turned out to be, he still has some expertise on the dealings & goings on of certain political strategy issues.

Having said that, I can only tribute Trump's meeting with Kissinger as a move to tap the man's brain as to what is needed to regain a balance of politcal power, especially in the regions of the Middle East - when in comes to Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel. Jordan, etc. - as well as the Nuclear talks that will be forthcoming with regards to North & South Korea, China & Japan.

Prior to winning the 2016 presidential election, Trump previously has had to deal with New York City mafia, as they are the boys that have control when it comes to building & contruction materials in that area. So, Trump has some expertise in dealing with such nefarious individuals. It doesn't at all mean that he has taken such a route himself, but has used such individuals to move himself forward with whatever projects he has in mind.

Best regards.

Michelle Marie

10th March 2018, 14:56

onawah

10th March 2018, 18:04

Defend pollution protections for public and tribal lands
Sierra Club
3/10/18
https://sierra.secure.force.com/actions/National?actionId=AR0106930&id=70131000001iOuIAAU

In a clear giveaway to the oil and gas industry, the Trump administration and Secretary Zinke recently released a plan to gut safeguards that limit methane and other air pollution from oil and gas drilling on public and tribal lands.

Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, and, alongside other toxic gases emitted from oil and gas drilling, is linked to increased asthma rates, birth defects, and cancer. The fossil fuel industry is allowed to vent, leak, and simply burn off huge amounts of this gas (called flaring) when they frack for oil and gas on America's public and tribal lands.

The Obama administration put commonsense safeguards in place that set limits to the amount of pollution, providing critical health protections for surrounding Indigenous communities and those who live near public lands. The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is charged with implementing these safeguards and managing these resources, but this rollback attempt would effectively eliminate progress to ensure public resources are managed in the public interest and public health is protected.

Take action: Defend pollution protections for public and tribal lands. Submit a public comment to the Bureau of Land Management now.

This is yet another handout from Trump and Zinke to corporate polluters. The Trump administration has been working to lend their oil and gas industry friends a hand and get rid of these rules from almost day one. They tried to get rid of these protections in Congress and when that didn't work they tried to delay them -- but we defeated this delay in court. Now, they've released a new plan that would effectively eliminate this pollution safeguard, putting people's health and safety at risk to help the oil and gas industry profit.

The Bureau of Land Management is collecting public comments on their plan to destroy methane pollution protections. People power has defeated this scheme twice before and we can do it again. Submit your public comment now!

Thank you for speaking out,

Matthew Gravatt
Associate Legislative Director
Sierra Club

Whatever you may think about the Sierra Club and other non-profits who seem to have conflicting agendas these days, I think it's clear that there are policies being implemented by the Trump Admin that are encroaching upon laws that have been implemented to provide protection to the environment which in general tend to "rob Peter to pay Paul", and to public health and safety (for tribal people in particular and other very vulnerable members of society) .
I don't believe that all members and actions of such non-profits have been completely subverted, or that it's a total waste of time to post messages here that they are sending out which inform us as to those harmful policies which Trump lovers tend to ignore.
Ignoring can be akin to ignorance, and that can be dangerous, especially if it's willful.
Some of Trumps policies are terrific, some aren't.
If this forum continues to support free expression, then this thread will be allowed to continue to be devoted to those policies that aren't terrific, and that should be respected by all forum members.
There is certainly no lack of threads that are devoted to Trump admirers, so it seems very odd to me that there should be such an invasion now on this thread. :nono:
I hope that has now come to an end.

Merlinus

10th March 2018, 20:43

As a general rule, assume anyone who has significant wealth/fame/power, to be a pawn/ally of the shadow government.

onawah

10th March 2018, 20:55

I would qualify that with this modification: "a pawn/ally of some faction of shadow government"...with mention that there is competition among those factions.

As a general rule, assume anyone who has significant wealth/fame/power, to be a pawn/ally of the shadow government.

we-R-one

11th March 2018, 21:57

Whatever you may think about the Sierra Club and other non-profits who seem to have conflicting agendas these days, I think it's clear that there are policies being implemented by the Trump Admin that are encroaching upon laws that have been implemented to provide protection to the environment which in general tend to "rob Peter to pay Paul", and to public health and safety (for tribal people in particular and other very vulnerable members of society) .
No, they’re not necessarily ‘laws implemented to provide protection to the environment’, that’s the ruse. Do you know what a ‘ruse’ is? A ‘ruse’ is an intention to deceive. This is a point already addressed, which you either don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge. Sierra Club is no longer about protecting the environment, and neither is the Center of Biological Diversity, two organizations you repeatedly insist on posting about and accusing the Trump Administration of negating their work. Their purpose is to keep people off the land permanently through the false pretenses of Biodiversity. Ever seen the Wildlands Project Map from the UNITED NATIONS? See below as this is the end game of their shenanigans. The red is where you won’t be allowed, e.v.e.r. which is pretty much the entire country. To reach this goal they have to legalize and enforce insurmountable layers of regulations under the guise of ‘protecting the environment and the people’. The Trump administration is undoing these policies which were originally meant to build the infrastructure for accomplishing the goals of Agenda 21.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/b_q8bGPnL50/hqdefault.jpg

Organizatons such as Sierra Club and Central For Biological Diversity hide under the guise their mission is about ‘protecting the environment.’ The mission is to herd people into very small living spaces so they can be controlled!

“It’s about moving population into city centers, concentrated city centers and clearing them out of the rural areas.” –Rosa Koire, expert in land use and land valuation with a specialty in eminent domain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmAP1KdNvnw

‘Hide under the guise’…I hope you think hard about that statement as it’s the basis behind all their chess game moves that you think are for the benefit of the environment and protection of people. Trump is removing over-regulated policies that were put in place by the Obummer administration and others because those policies weren’t for the point of ‘safe guarding’ as you think, they were put in place because once again, they pave the pathway for the Agenda 21 blueprint through over-regulation!

When you promote organizations that push Biodiversity, you say to the reader you support Agenda 21 policies and procedures. You also suggest you’re in favor of Radical Environmental Terrorism, as these groups by their actions stop at nothing to push their agenda. Ah yes...killing in the name of green....what more could an advance society ask for? Yes I'm being rhetorical....These people are thugs! Common sense is what people are looking for, not terrorist who will stop at nothing to push the endgame of the unimaginable.

There’s no if, and’s or but’s about what’s going on here…….this is happening and these organizations have shown their intentions. There are plenty of articles and documentation providing evidence for their motives as I’ve posted. If you look at this link here you will see Sierra Club listed as a proponent utilized by THE UNITED NATIONS.

The 14 Most Influential Sustainability NGOs
https://www.sustainabilitydegrees.com/blog/most-influential-sustainability-ngos/
How lovely, careers and degree opportunities which indoctrinate members of the community to play the Simon Says game. Oh lookey Sierra Club is listed as #11! Oooh it's the master number!!!

"Sierra Club: Founded in 1892 by conservationist John Muir, the Sierra Club is one of the oldest and largest environmental organizations in the U.S. It has protected millions of acres of wilderness and has helped to pass key environmental legislation, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. It’s also leading efforts to move away from the use of fossil fuels."

Awww too bad, they'll have to re-edit the above as the 'key' environmental legislation the Clean Water Act is no longer being implemented executive order 13783...boo hoo :cry:.....NOT!

Is the Endangered Species Act threatened for the chopping block too?

"At least one Republican has vowed to wage an effort to repeal the Endangered Species Act. “It has never been used for the rehabilitation of species,” House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rob Bishop (R-Utah) said, according to an Associated Press report.Feb 15, 2017"
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/15/the-endangered-species-act-may-be-heading-for-the-threatened-list-this-hearing-confirmed-it/?utm_term=.f497204bf4c0

Said from the House of Natural Resources Committee! Wow oh wow are you reading this???Exactly why my point is being proven Onawah. These people aren't about protecting wildlife or the environment! Do read the article, then google as there are more offering additional information.

I don't believe that all members and actions of such non-profits have been completely subverted, or that it's a total waste of time to post messages here that they are sending out which inform us as to those harmful policies which Trump lovers tend to ignore.

No one’s necessarily ignoring it, that’s you’re misinformed interpretation. The quote above proves it! As you research, he's not the only one saying it! I would say from what I can perceive of your writings, unfortunately you are misconstruing the actions of the administration as being ‘harmful’ because you don’t seem to have a clear understanding that the purpose of some of these regulations put into place by prior administrations were to support the infrastructure of Agenda 21, not protect the environment as you keep on insisting; you’re supporting their false narrative and it's why many don't support your stance. So I wouldn't say they're(Sierra Club et al) are informing us of 'harmful policies'. However you have to look at each situation separately to make that determination rather than cut and paste articles automatically assuming the actions of the Trump Administration are harmful which is exactly what you're doing.

Ignoring can be akin to ignorance, and that can be dangerous, especially if it's willful.

Lol, uh yes, I think you might want to follow your own advice as clearly you are ‘ignoring’ hard facts supplied in my posts that prove these organizations are being built off the backs of the people to subjugate their individual rights so the blueprint of Agenda 21 can be implemented as I keep repeating and their motives have nothing to do with environmental or human protection. The Trump Administration is in the process of tearing it down. I suspect once the infrastructure is removed, then and only then, we can go back in and rebuild with integrity and honesty, regulations that provide proper protection. A sovereign nation our size needs to be energy independent, Trump recognizes this, and thank god because I don’t want to be pay $10 bucks or more for a gallon of gas, do you? Not to mention how many other things can be held over our heads forcing us to be subjected to slavery by another country because we can’t provide our own resources. America won't/can't be great again without proper infrastructure.

If this forum continues to support free expression, then this thread will be allowed to continue to be devoted to those policies that aren't terrific, and that should be respected by all forum members.
There is certainly no lack of threads that are devoted to Trump admirers, so it seems very odd to me that there should be such an invasion now on this thread. :nono:
I hope that has now come to an end.

Nobody is stopping you from posting. What’s being pointed out is you’re using articles that are misconstruing facts to support a nefarious agenda. You are posting ‘fake’ news. You think some of the Trump Administration policies aren’t ‘terrific’ because you’re misinterpreting the data as you don’t have an understanding of how the infrastructure of Agenda 21 is being laid out in your own country. So you are falsely slandering President Trump and his administration. You would be better served to understand in more detail what you’re supporting rather than cutting and pasting fake news.

It’s not easy reading and absorbing and it’s not supposed to be! The layers upon layers of regulations one has to weed through in the name of green are to make it so difficult the average individual has no choice but to succumb to the narrative. You’re proving it works! You're proving that psychological warfare works! By sharing what I’ve learned I’m trying to stop people from making fools out of themselves because I can clearly see, some do not have the knowledge base to comprehend what’s happening right under their noses to recognize how they’re being used to build a system meant to enslave the entire human race! I'm doing everything I can to educate and warn people.

But hey, keep posting under the ‘guise’ of free expression, however don’t forget your own words of wisdom,

Ignoring can be akin to ignorance, and that can be dangerous, especially if it's willful.

onawah

11th March 2018, 23:15

I will quote myself:
If this forum continues to support free expression, then this thread will be allowed to continue to be devoted to those policies that aren't terrific, and that should be respected by all forum members.
There is certainly no lack of threads that are devoted to Trump admirers, so it seems very odd to me that there should be such an invasion now on this thread.
I hope that has now come to an end.

Bill Ryan

11th March 2018, 23:28

I am going to make a request that posts to this thread remain on topic.
:focus:The discussion has drifted far away from what I believe Autumn's original intent was, though she hasn't been active here lately to speak for herself.
Her post #1 reads as follows:

I just wanted to create this thread for those who are completely opposed to the status quo but who DON'T think that Trump is the answer.
The swamp has been restocked, not drained and the real 'winner' of the election was Goldman Sachs.There should be room on this forum for discussion along those lines, imho, and there are certainly lots of other threads to post on for those who don't agree.

[Mod response, from Bill]

Thanks for the request, and we truly do understand it. And please forgive the long delay in response... the mods had really quite a long and interesting discussion about it, and we're not all in the the same timezone here (or even on the same side of the spinning, round, night-and-day earth :) ).

But this tiny anecdote may illustrate the problem. One of the mods expressed a particular viewpoint about one aspect of this. I disagreed. I then joked... "But wait a minute: maybe I should delete my disagreement."

Of course, that's silly... I was making a point. We were trying to debate something intelligently and responsibly. And in doing so, we all stand to learn.

That's one of the reasons humans learned to talk, hundreds of thousands of years ago. And we're still talking. I doubt (and hope!) humans will ever stop. :)

If one wants to present a viewpoint with no disagreement or counterpoints welcomed, then one should start a blog, launch a radio show, or make videos. Or stand on the streets with a bullhorn.

If I post that I think ETs exist, and you post that you think they don't, your reply is NOT off-topic. It's the starting point for me to explain to you why I think my view is valid. (And, of course, you can reply to that, unless one of us wants to 'Ignore' the other.)

All that is good, if the subject really is open to different intelligent viewpoints, articulately and appropriately expressed. Things get out of hand when the lines of courtesy and respect are breached, or when the topic drifts way off to other things. The exact lines for those are blurred, but the lines are there.

I've NOT read all the posts on the thread... at all. I was personally pleased when the thread was started, though, because it's very healthy to have a thread with that title. But we're not going to delete or remove any posts that disagree with the premise. The opportunity here is to discuss and debate the points. Not as emotional belief systems, but with facts and evidence, if at all possible.

I WOULD ask those who DO disagree not to be too strident... please. Just be kind. But it HAS to be okay to all express ourselves on an issue that's really so important. As I've so often stated, it's the WAY we do this that matters.

And if we do that well, we can all learn stuff. Really.

:focus:

we-R-one

12th March 2018, 00:04

The most difficult aspect of the topics being discussed on this thread is the majority don't have the proper knowledge base, hence misunderstandings and misconceptions. Unless one is willing to spend some time learning how Agenda 21 is being implemented and by whom, they are not on equal ground of understanding. These are not easy topics and require attention to detail. When I write my posts, I'm not just cutting and pasting, I'm reading everything I link to or watching the video to ensure accuracy and that I truly understand what it is I'm posting. It's very time consuming. This is what it takes to get to the bottom of things for deeper learning. I'm not trying to be some meanie...I've spent a lot of time researching Agenda 21 and I present with facts/executive orders/sources as much as possible, hence intelligence and responsibility, so I'm not adding conjecture to confuse the situation, only facts to back my points.

As I like to say, 'my opinion is based on what the research shows.' And fwiw, my name was Artemis back in the times and if you know anything about her, she was guardian of the animals and forest. Nothing has changed since then as my sense of responsibility and love for both are still within. Please understand I'm more for being 'green' than you can imagine, but not under false pretenses. Revision is strongly needed in our laws to bring back balance rather than dictatorial living conditions which is exactly where this was headed had the Trump Administration not interceded, this is what I think people have yet to understand.

Bob

12th March 2018, 00:53

I WOULD ask those who DO disagree not to be too strident... please. Just be kind.

But it HAS to be okay to all express ourselves on an issue that's really so important. As I've so often stated, it's the WAY we do this that matters.

And if we do that well, we can all learn stuff. Really.

That goes across the board.. there are some recent threads about being able to put oneself in the viewpoint of the reader and of course of whom one is "challenging" in a post/response.

If one is not able to put oneself in the exterior viewpoint, one is missing a LOT of understanding, by being limited to pure EGO presentation.

That's my observation and agreement with Bill.

Fellow Aspirant

24th March 2018, 03:44

Onawah, I would hope you'd still take the time to answer my legitimate questions on post #540 which do pertain to the discussion as you originally brought them up in your posts with the point of supporting the main argument- Trump Is Not the Answer'. This is a very complex discussion encompassing many topics. If you want to defend your stance and why you feel the way you do, you should be able to easily tell us why you support such groups and their nefarious agendas. The articles you post garner more questions to some of us and not solutions as they're presented. I question you to understand your POV not to pick on you as maybe there's something I'm not understanding.

I see this as a 'discussion' forum more than just a cut and paste environment. If what's being posted can't be supported with legitimate sources of support then you are only speaking with conjecture and not necessarily facts. It almost borders on slander against a person for the sake of smearing their name using false narratives. I think Avalon is better than that.

First, I think that this forum is to be treated as a place for discussion, too, but not as though it's a court of law, or some undergraduate Moot Court. I think that if someone wishes to voice his or her opinion, then it should be listened to and respected, regardless of how many links one is able to include to justify it. Having an opinion is a legitimate reason for posting to a thread.

Having read through the last several pages here, I think I can guess why Onawah is lagging in his/her responses to you, we-R-one, that being that anything s/he posts to support his/her position will be met with an overwhelming avalanche of cut 'n' pastes by you that do nothing to further the discussions that this thread was instituted for. Such aggressive bullying with its over the top floods of information would take hours and hours to respond to, and the likely outcome of a genuine effort to support one's claims is only, as far as I can tell, going to result in an even more massive salvo of disinformation (Info Wars as source? Really?) meant to stifle any further comment. Why not dial back your diatribes' volumes a bit, select a couple of pertinent and truthful points for each, and go with those, instead of overwhelming your targets with exhausting mountains of "fact"? I've noticed that the Trump supporters around here are particularly verbose with 'fire hoses' of information, much of it from their favourite alt-right bloggospheres' fake news agents. So, please don't take the 'high road' wrt expecting answers for each of your points, as though each and every one of your 'claims' is a hill to die on, or that you or the forum is being disrespected somehow. Also, please don't take someone's lack of response as a victory for Trump supporters - sometimes responding to you lot is just not worth the effort.

Staying on topic would be a good start.

Cheers,

Brian

onawah

24th March 2018, 04:52

Wow, nicely put Brian. I couldn't agree more. :highfive:
I really don't have time to argue, which is what this thread was devolving to--discussion was certainly not possible.
So I have expanded my Ignore list and decided simply not to post on this thread for now, but if it ends here, it will be on a realistic note at least and perhaps if Autumn comes back she will want to pick it up again later.
There are certainly things continuing to happen under Trump's direct orders that bode no good, but it seems to me that many forum members have become so blindly pro-Trump that, as you probably agree, it is going to be a whole lot less energy and time-consuming to just wait until it becomes obvious to even the most ardent Trump supporters that they have had blinders on to the wider perspective of what is going on and how undeniably pro-NWO many of his policies actually are.
I can't help but wonder what the reward is for all the time his supporters devote to presenting their ironclad opinions on the forum.

Onawah, I would hope you'd still take the time to answer my legitimate questions on post #540 which do pertain to the discussion as you originally brought them up in your posts with the point of supporting the main argument- Trump Is Not the Answer'. This is a very complex discussion encompassing many topics. If you want to defend your stance and why you feel the way you do, you should be able to easily tell us why you support such groups and their nefarious agendas. The articles you post garner more questions to some of us and not solutions as they're presented. I question you to understand your POV not to pick on you as maybe there's something I'm not understanding.

I see this as a 'discussion' forum more than just a cut and paste environment. If what's being posted can't be supported with legitimate sources of support then you are only speaking with conjecture and not necessarily facts. It almost borders on slander against a person for the sake of smearing their name using false narratives. I think Avalon is better than that.

First, I think that this forum is to be treated as a place for discussion, too, but not as though it's a court of law, or some undergraduate Moot Court. I think that if someone wishes to voice his or her opinion, then it should be listened to and respected, regardless of many links one is able to include to justify it. Having an opinion is a legitimate reason for posting to a thread.

Having read through the last several pages here, I think I can guess why Onawah is lagging in his/her responses to you, we-R-one, that being that anything s/he posts to support his/her position will be met with an overwhelming avalanche of cut 'n' pastes by you that do nothing to further the discussions that this thread was instituted for. Such aggressive and over the top floods of information take hours and hours to respond to, and the likely outcome of a genuine effort to support one's claims is only, as far as I can tell, going to result in an even more massive salvo of disinformation (Info Wars as source? Really?) meant to stifle any further comment. Why not dial back your diatribes' volumes a bit, select a couple of pertinent and truthful points for each, and go with those, instead of overwhelming your targets with exhausting mountains of "fact"? I've noticed that the Trump supporters around here are particularly verbose with 'fire hoses of information', much of it from their favourite alt-right bloggospheres' fake news agents. So, please don't take the 'high road' wrt expecting answers for each of your points, as though each and every one of your 'claims' is a hill to die on, or that yyou or the forum is being disrespected somehow. Also, please don't take someone's lack of response as a victory for Trump supporters - sometimes responding to you lot is just not worth the effort.

Staying on topic would be a good start.

Cheers,

Brian

we-R-one

27th March 2018, 21:00

Wow, nicely put Brian. I couldn't agree more. :highfive:
I really don't have time to argue, which is what this thread was devolving to--discussion was certainly not possible.
It’s not about arguing, if you’re going to make statements you claim to be true, you need to be able to back them when someone asks, it’s that simple, otherwise your posts aren’t taken seriously. You’ve made statements about renewable energy as a solution and never answered my concerns pertaining to countries who’ve taken this disastrous route which caused both financial and environmental devastation.

So I have expanded my Ignore list and decided simply not to post on this thread for now, but if it ends here, it will be on a realistic note at least and perhaps if Autumn comes back she will want to pick it up again later.
So instead of providing information to back your statements you resort to hitting the ignore button? Maybe a discussion forum isn’t the right place for you? Please re-read Bill's post:

If one wants to present a viewpoint with no disagreement or counterpoints welcomed, then one should start a blog, launch a radio show, or make videos. Or stand on the streets with a bullhorn.

If I post that I think ETs exist, and you post that you think they don't, your reply is NOT off-topic. It's the starting point for me to explain to you why I think my view is valid. (And, of course, you can reply to that, unless one of us wants to 'Ignore' the other.)

All that is good, if the subject really is open to different intelligent viewpoints, articulately and appropriately expressed. Things get out of hand when the lines of courtesy and respect are breached, or when the topic drifts way off to other things. The exact lines for those are blurred, but the lines are there.

I've NOT read all the posts on the thread... at all. I was personally pleased when the thread was started, though, because it's very healthy to have a thread with that title. But we're not going to delete or remove any posts that disagree with the premise. The opportunity here is to discuss and debate the points. Not as emotional belief systems, but with facts and evidence, if at all possible.

There are certainly things continuing to happen under Trump's direct orders that bode no good, but it seems to me that many forum members have become so blindly pro-Trump that, as you probably agree, it is going to be a whole lot less energy and time-consuming to just wait until it becomes obvious to even the most ardent Trump supporters that they have had blinders on to the wider perspective of what is going on and how undeniably pro-NWO many of his policies actually are.
I can't help but wonder what the reward is for all the time his supporters devote to presenting their ironclad opinions on the forum.
Many members agree and have openly stated Trump is not perfect, myself included so your comment of ‘forum members having blinders on’ makes no sense. Someone who is dismantling the infrastructure of Agenda 21 via policies, revisions and executive orders and maintaining the sovereignty of their country by pulling out of nefarious treaties can hardly be considered ‘pro-NWO’. Please give specific examples as to which of his ‘many policies’ are ‘undeniably pro-NOW’ and explain if he is ‘pro-NWO, why then is he dismantling the perfect NWO infrastructure of Agenda 21, as being demonstrated via executive orders on the thread ‘Examples of Trump Administration Dismantling Agenda 21 Deep State’s Agenda 21’. And this is what I mean about backing your statements. If you want people to believe your opinion is based on truth, they want to see support for your viewpoint, otherwise what your saying can be construed only as conjecture.

Definition: Conjecture
1. an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Source: Google search engine

Onawah, I would hope you'd still take the time to answer my legitimate questions on post #540 which do pertain to the discussion as you originally brought them up in your posts with the point of supporting the main argument- Trump Is Not the Answer'. This is a very complex discussion encompassing many topics. If you want to defend your stance and why you feel the way you do, you should be able to easily tell us why you support such groups and their nefarious agendas. The articles you post garner more questions to some of us and not solutions as they're presented. I question you to understand your POV not to pick on you as maybe there's something I'm not understanding.

I see this as a 'discussion' forum more than just a cut and paste environment. If what's being posted can't be supported with legitimate sources of support then you are only speaking with conjecture and not necessarily facts. It almost borders on slander against a person for the sake of smearing their name using false narratives. I think Avalon is better than that.

First, I think that this forum is to be treated as a place for discussion, too, but not as though it's a court of law, or some undergraduate Moot Court. I think that if someone wishes to voice his or her opinion, then it should be listened to and respected, regardless of many links one is able to include to justify it. Having an opinion is a legitimate reason for posting to a thread.
No one is saying one can’t post their comments or ‘be heard’, I was very clear in my remarks above. And yes ‘discussion’ is correct which is why I was asking Onawah to explain her statements for the sake of ‘discussion’. As Bill pointed out in his post, it’s not a blog. In a ‘discussion’ forum people are going to ask questions, so if you have an opinion, and you post it, be prepared to respond to questions because it’s a ‘discussion’ forum. It’s pretty simple. Anyone can have an opinion, that’s what blogs are for.

Having read through the last several pages here, I think I can guess why Onawah is lagging in his/her responses to you, we-R-one, that being that anything s/he posts to support his/her position will be met with an overwhelming avalanche of cut 'n' pastes by you that do nothing to further the discussions that this thread was instituted for. Such aggressive and over the top floods of information take hours and hours to respond to, and the likely outcome of a genuine effort to support one's claims is only, as far as I can tell, going to result in an even more massive salvo of disinformation (Info Wars as source? Really?) meant to stifle any further comment.
I’ve listed a variety of sources in my posts not just Info Wars who I believe I only used twice combined with other sources. As I’ve already mentioned this is a very complicated topic and can’t be answered with short snipits, hence my detailed posts. I cannot help if the viewer is unable to connect dots or absorb the information or doesn’t want to read. Trust me, I ‘get’ it’s complicated and it was set up that way on purpose so the average person would have difficulty following! What I post is to back my statements and share why I believe and what I believe. In one of my posts on this thread I demonstrated a link between the Agenda 21 blueprint/UNITED NATIONS and the SIERRA CLUB, an organization that this thread likes to tout over and over again which is a known Environmental Terrorist organization. The SIERRA CLUB is listed right on THE UNITED NATIONS website page so there’s no guessing whether it’s true or not!

Why not dial back your diatribes' volumes a bit, select a couple of pertinent and truthful points for each, and go with those, instead of overwhelming your targets with exhausting mountains of "fact"?
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could wrap up the topic in one small package with instructions and a bow…sigh…Please see my immediate remarks above.

I've noticed that the Trump supporters around here are particularly verbose with 'fire hoses of information', much of it from their favourite alt-right bloggospheres' fake news agents. So, please don't take the 'high road' wrt expecting answers for each of your points, as though each and every one of your 'claims' is a hill to die on, or that yyou or the forum is being disrespected somehow. Also, please don't take someone's lack of response as a victory for Trump supporters - sometimes responding to you lot is just not worth the effort.

Staying on topic would be a good start.

Hey Brian, I am on topic! Onawah posted comments and I asked for clarification pertaining to the comments she made, it’s really not that hard as you’re making it; if the person understands the topic their touting they should be able to respond with information not hit the ignore button or claim it’s ‘not worth the effort’ or I’m being some ‘bully’ because I'm providing information to back my opinion! I don’t perceive the lack of response as some ‘victory for Trump supporters’ as it’s not a contest. Most forum members are looking for truth which is why many of us have turned into avid researchers and why you may feel you’re being blasted with information. People are finally doing the homework and sharing what they've learned. My posts are an example of what I’ve discovered by doing the homework; they’re a one stop shop,.... all one has to do is read. Please read Bill's post above.

I see false information being posted to promote the blueprint of Agenda 21 and since I’ve studied the topic extensively I'm able to easily identify ill-intended organizations involved in its implementation who are repeatedly being listed as a source of information on this thread. Oh they’re a source alright, but not with with well-meaning intentions for 'we the people'. Sadly there are good people with good intentions who are being snookered into supporting these groups all under the guise of green, which is why I often say, ‘this is how they’re building the infrastructure of Agenda 21 off of the backs of 'we the people.’

So I’ve politely addressed your response. I’m not posting emoji’s with wagging fingers as done to me. If we want to stay on topic here, it would be nice if the people who post their opinions offer legitimate support when asked in the true spirit of a ‘discussion forum’ and getting to the heart of truth. If one isn’t able to do so, then likely it says to the viewer, there may not be much ‘truth’ in what’s being promoted, hence minimal support/involvement in this thread.

Ewan

27th March 2018, 22:09

I pretty much love everyone on this forum, (not true, a manipulative statement to get you all on my side but behaving like a politician doesn't feel good TBH), and it saddens me, (true, that one really is true), to see people apparently unable to rise above pathetic, (dangerous words, even if accurate, may have just lost some people there), political arguments.

If history has taught us anything, ( I mean to the best of our understanding; and surely an Avalon member has a pretty good understanding of HIS-Story?), it is that all politics is a circus of lies and obfuscation. A means of manipulating stories to garner support and belief amongst the 'bewildered herd', the 'useless eaters', of the masses. Divide people into different mindsets, once set apart they can argue amongst themselves and the devious get on with business as usual.

At times like this I feel one should fly like the eagle, condor, hawk, (bad choice, don't mention hawks), some bird that can fly very high, (lark, that's a good one), and view things from a more elevated perspective. The worst advise I could give is for you to raise your heads from the grazing and peer over the hedge to the opposite field, you won't see anything that way. Jump the fence, but don't land on the other side - just keep rising way above it all. There you will get a new perspective. Hell, you might even notice, immediately, that the paddock on the other side of the fence actually looks identical to the one you just jumped out of.

Why am I qualified to proffer such advice, well simply that I am, in so far as I have discovered, completely apolitical. I believe Trump is a highly intelligent man, I also fear he is an immature buffoon. I believed Obama was a thouroughly deceptive human being but at the same time recognised a great charisma within him. He was undoubtedly intelligent too. Intelligence, or charisma, is no marker for honesty, or morality.

Please do not let Rome (dīvide et imperā) hold sway in the 21st century.

onawah

27th March 2018, 22:43

I'm impressed by the amount of time you devote to the forum WeROne, and I've confessed I don't have the time or energy to compete, but whether my posts are taken seriously or not depends on the individual, and I have been an active member here for a long time, so how seriously my posts are taken may vary a lot more than you may think. People who are aligned with my views may not post much as they may not want to deal with the hotly and predominantly pro-Trump views being widely expressed on the forum currently.
I don't make claims that everything I post is true.
(That would be foolish--none of us are omnipotent and we live in a very complicated reality, though people who have a strong need to be right may sometimes like to take that pose. )
There are no forum requirements for that kind of proof, as far as I am aware, though we are cautioned to be wary of Silly Season type posts and with good reason.
But I do post information from sources that I consider to be worthy of consideration, at least and as far as I know, that is allowed.

[QUOTE=onawah;1216256]Wow, nicely put Brian. I couldn't agree more. :highfive:
I really don't have time to argue, which is what this thread was devolving to--discussion was certainly not possible.
It’s not about arguing, if you’re going to make statements you claim to be true, you need to be able to back them when someone asks, it’s that simple, otherwise your posts aren’t taken seriously. You’ve made statements about renewable energy as a solution and never answered my concerns pertaining to countries who’ve taken this disastrous route which caused both financial and environmental devastation.

I also didn't post anything about renewable energies where they have proven successful. It's not really my job to do that. You might want to consult Wade Frazier's threads for that kind of info, as he is quite expert, and he would probably be willing to help with that. But I doubt that he will agree there aren't renewable energies which could solve our energy needs, if they were being made available.

So I have expanded my Ignore list and decided simply not to post on this thread for now, but if it ends here, it will be on a realistic note at least and perhaps if Autumn comes back she will want to pick it up again later.
So instead of providing information to back your statements you resort to hitting the ignore button? Maybe a discussion forum isn’t the right place for you? Please re-read Bill's post:

I have put a few members on my Ignore list who strike me as being deluded, strident, having an agenda, opinionated, more concerned with being right than in being objective and learning, etc. and with people whose energies I just don't resonate with.
I considered putting you there first when I saw your claims about who you think you were in your past lives and the "evidence" that you think backs your claims, but I waited until recently. I will probably put you back on that list again because we just don't resonate, and I think that is preferable than getting into anymore wrangles with you which are not really constructive for anyone.

If one wants to present a viewpoint with no disagreement or counterpoints welcomed, then one should start a blog, launch a radio show, or make videos. Or stand on the streets with a bullhorn.

Indeed, but there is also no rule against posting pertinent information from sources that have not been entirely debunked for consideration.

If I post that I think ETs exist, and you post that you think they don't, your reply is NOT off-topic. It's the starting point for me to explain to you why I think my view is valid. (And, of course, you can reply to that, unless one of us wants to 'Ignore' the other.)

And when it seems clear that a member or group of members are attempting to derail a thread, if only by being rude, hostile (as in "disdainful") or strident, then that can be considered by the Mods as worthy of correction, and has been done so in the past.

All that is good, if the subject really is open to different intelligent viewpoints, articulately and appropriately expressed. Things get out of hand when the lines of courtesy and respect are breached, or when the topic drifts way off to other things. The exact lines for those are blurred, but the lines are there. Exactly!

I've NOT read all the posts on the thread... at all. I was personally pleased when the thread was started, though, because it's very healthy to have a thread with that title. But we're not going to delete or remove any posts that disagree with the premise. The opportunity here is to discuss and debate the points. Not as emotional belief systems, but with facts and evidence, if at all possible.

I don't think that providing information from legitimate non-profits necessarily needs to be proven, point by point, no matter who donates to them. That has nothing to do with an emotional belief system. I don't have the time to prove their info is true, but I don't think there is any question that it's not worthy of consideration, and you haven't proven that it's not. If you want to try, you are certainly welcome to, and good luck with that, but I think it's a topic for a new thread.

There are certainly things continuing to happen under Trump's direct orders that bode no good, but it seems to me that many forum members have become so blindly pro-Trump that, as you probably agree, it is going to be a whole lot less energy and time-consuming to just wait until it becomes obvious to even the most ardent Trump supporters that they have had blinders on to the wider perspective of what is going on and how undeniably pro-NWO many of his policies actually are.
I can't help but wonder what the reward is for all the time his supporters devote to presenting their ironclad opinions on the forum.
Many members agree and have openly stated Trump is not perfect, myself included so your comment of ‘forum members having blinders on’ makes no sense. Someone who is dismantling the infrastructure of Agenda 21 via policies, revisions and executive orders and maintaining the sovereignty of their country by pulling out of nefarious treaties can hardly be considered ‘pro-NWO’. [Please give specific examples as to which of his ‘many policies’ are ‘undeniably pro-NOW’ and explain if he is ‘pro-NWO, why then is he dismantling the perfect NWO infrastructure of Agenda 21, as being demonstrated via executive orders on the thread ‘Examples of Trump Administration Dismantling Agenda 21 Deep State’s Agenda 21’. And this is what I mean about backing your statements. If you want people to believe your opinion is based on truth, they want to see support for your viewpoint, otherwise what your saying can be construed only as conjecture.

[Definition: Conjecture
1. an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Source: Google search engine

There was discussion about this sometime ago on the forum, speculation as to how the puppetmasters had gone too far in derailing things and so measures would have to be taken to prevent the global economy from falling apart so completely that it would endanger the US and thereby the whole global construct. Though major pawns would have to be sacrificed and much dirt uncovered in the process, inasmuch as the human race is useful to the controllers as long as we are adequately managed, they don't mind that. In other words, the Deep State goes much deeper than we have really been able to prove as yet, and their strategies are more Machiavellian than most of us can imagine, so that not even a billionaire like Trump would be able to match them. But I don't have time to search out links to those discussions for you.

Fellow Aspirant

27th March 2018, 22:50

we-R-one

Yes, discussion is good. A smackdown of smothering links and smouldering anger is not. Keeping things simple by offering one or two points at a time is much more likely to elicit a response from those that you might want to engage is a better approach, in my opinion.

Any reasonable debate is much more enjoyable when the participants focus on one or two claims at a time. There's no reason to rush things.

Individual trees get lost too easily when the forest is thick.

Namaste,

Brian

we-R-one

28th March 2018, 04:49

Onawah, I'm not looking for a competition and the discussion has nothing to do with competing with one another as you state in your opening remark. The title of this thread is Trump is Not the Answer. You have chosen to participate in the continuance of this thread by posting various points as fact including the promotion of nefarious organizations aligned with Agenda 21 as being the answer rather than Trump.

As Bill stated: “The opportunity here is to discuss and debate the points. Not as emotional belief systems, but with facts and evidence, if at all possible.”

In this case, ‘facts and evidence’ have been possible which is why I posted, questioning several of your remarks while providing support for my posts so the reader and you can understand why I make the statements I do. Even after providing evidence, you still continued promoting a known Environmental Terrorist organization tied to THE UNITED NATIONS.

You then go on to state:

There are certainly things continuing to happen under Trump's direct orders that bode no good, but it seems to me that many forum members have become so blindly pro-Trump that, as you probably agree, it is going to be a whole lot less energy and time-consuming to just wait until it becomes obvious to even the most ardent Trump supporters that they have had blinders on to the wider perspective of what is going on and how undeniably pro-NWO many of his policies actually are.

I then asked you an important question based on your recent remarks above:

Please give specific examples as to which of his ‘many policies’ are ‘undeniably pro-NOW’ and explain if he is ‘pro-NWO, why then is he dismantling the perfect NWO infrastructure of Agenda 21, as being demonstrated via executive orders on the thread ‘Examples of Trump Administration Dismantling Agenda 21 Deep State’s Agenda 21’.

To make such a strong statement as you did above, surely you must have some examples to prove your point as isn’t this thread about Trump Not being The Answer and why?

You respond with this:

There was discussion about this sometime ago on the forum, speculation as to how the puppetmasters had gone too far in derailing things and so measures would have to be taken to prevent the global economy from falling apart so completely that it would endanger the US and thereby the whole global construct. Though major pawns would have to be sacrificed and much dirt uncovered in the process, inasmuch as the human race is useful to the controllers as long as we are adequately managed, they don't mind that. In other words, the Deep State goes much deeper than we have really been able to prove as yet, and their strategies are more Machiavellian than most of us can imagine, so that not even a billionaire like Trump would be able to match them. But I don't have time to search out links to those discussions for you.

….Right underneath the definition of conjecture I provided, LOL, sorry I thought that was funny:
Definition: Conjecture
1. an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Source: Google search engine

..Which proves my point….you’re making statements based on conjecture(incomplete information) not necessarily facts.

I also didn't post anything about renewable energies where they have proven successful. It's not really my job to do that.
Yes you are correct, I went back and looked again, you stated:
IMHO, fossil fuels day has already come. There are plenty of green options already available, but they are not being employed.

In which I asked you:

For clarification, which of those options are you referring to? Then I would want to know, have they been widely tested? Who’s in charge of them? How fast can they be implemented? Are they affordable?
So if ‘there are plenty of green options already available’ based on your statement where are they? What are they? Because if there are ‘plenty’ surely they could easily be identified. I’m asking you to clarify your point to understand what you know as why would you say such a thing if you didn’t have reference to enforce your points? I assumed you were referring to renewable energy because it’s been tested on a wider scale more than anything I know of which would fit your remarks of ‘plenty’…exactly why I asked you to clarify your statements.

There are no forum requirements for that kind of proof, as far as I am aware, though we are cautioned to be wary of Silly Season type posts and with good reason.

Yes, I’m glad you brought this up, because this thread is turning into Silly Season reasoning as I’m not seeing any substance of facts to support many of your comments. I am seeing facts of evidence supporting the opposite or a completely different intention than what’s being portrayed.

I don’t expect people to know everything. And I don't care if you don't know something I know. I don't think any less of you. But there are strong statements being made on this thread, painting a picture that isn’t necessarily true. When one questions, provides evidence and asks for supporting evidence of the reciprocal viewpoint, which is what an intelligent person would do in a ‘discussion’ forum, we get accused of derailing the thread, ‘fire hose of information’, ‘I’ve expanded my ignore list’, ‘blindly pro Trump’, off topic(when I’m answering their own posts), ignorant, aggressive, disinformation, fake news, and the list goes on.

The more you interject conjecture, the less believable and weaker your position becomes(Trump is Not The Answer) as anyone can have an opinion about anything. Many of us are tired of opinions and more interested in facts when available.

EDIT TO ADD: What's so classic is you're accusing Trump of being pro-NWO at the same time you're promoting known NWO organizations, SIERRA CLUB AND CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, who are both tied to and being used to promote the NWO Agenda 21 blueprint.

Bruno

29th March 2018, 15:02

we-R-one

29th March 2018, 16:56

Hi Bruno,
I've stayed out of the Q thread myself for the most part because I don't have time to delve into the conversation. Trump is waay better than what we would have gotten should Clinton have won, that's what people at the very minimum can see. I find most people don't understand what exactly he's doing because even over here there's much confusion about what's been done to our infrastructure. We were put on a path of devolving to a 3rd world nation. If you're in a different country it's likely your information is being skewed which will have an effect on your perception. I've traveled in different countries, recently Scotland and being the news junkie that I am, it was clear the people were being heavily manipulated by the slant portrayed in news stories abroad especially about America. I have no doubt this is going on in Canada as when I've spoken to Canadians or observed their written remarks, I can tell they do not fully understand the actions of President Trump. And how could they, their own country has already been over-run. By focusing on the Trump Administrations policies and Executive Orders it's more clear to me what's currently taking place which is why I started the Examples of Trump Administration Dismantling Deep State Agenda 21 Blueprint thread.

If one does not understand the infrastructure of AGENDA 21, they will surely not understand how the Trump Administration is in the process of demolishing it. The Trump supporters I've talked to realize he has deficiencies, so I'm not sure most have blinders on, but they also realize no one's perfect and they're willing to take the bad with the good as it's clear he's the best man for the job out of the options we had to choose from.

Cidersomerset

29th March 2018, 17:38

I just want to chime in and say that I am glad that this is being talked about.
I haven't posted in some time but do come and read fairly frequently. I feel as though
too many people have blinders on when it comes to Trump or if not blinders they seem
touchy about any criticism of him. The discussion on the Q thread I find particularly strange.
From my perspective it looks like people sifting through a haystack looking for a speck
of dust that confirms their belief in Trump as the man who will save the day. It makes
me beyond uncomfortable.

David sums Trump up in the second half of the interview and on the surface he is
right and the appointment of John Bolton confirms he has been hijacked. I'm not
so sure as I also have respect for Dr.Corsi and what is going on behind the scenes.

I'm under no illusion this may go pair shaped and as I scan and post a wide range
of views it is plain there are contradictions all round. It reminds me a bit of when
Obama replaced Bush and we found nothing really changed with the globalist
agenda and now we know why, and Hillary was supposed to have continued the
dynasty. The venomous attacks on Trump , demonization and daily mud slinging
by the majority of mainstream and continued call for impeachment still gives
hope he meant what he said , exposing the deepstate , draining the swamp,
curb globalisation , release of the JFK and possible UFO disclosure , his twitter
posts that by past the mainstream and more..

Against that he has increased the military budget and continued the war rhetoric,
given into pressure against Russia and other distractions and its still not clear
how this is going to turn out as lot of his bluster and positioning is how he likes
to position himself for a deal and North Korea seems to be responding and we
will see if it leads anywhere. A lot of wheels have supposed to been set in motion
against big pharma , Child trafficking and the representatives of the global
elites etc and is what is keeping many on the Trump train but there are only
so many stations before people start getting off if we don't start seeing results....

David has been sceptical of the Donald but thought him the best of a bad lot
of republican candidates except perhaps Rand Paul and I cannot remember all
the others. He definately did not want Hillary to win so backed Trump by default.
He has done other vids critical of him since he was elected and I understand
and agree and disagree with some of his views but I'm also intrigued to see if
Trump can pull off the exposure of the deepstate and more or he will be reeled in or worse.....

So I will stay in the 'Q' for more info until we get a real picture of how this is
all playing out.

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we-R-one

29th March 2018, 19:32

Comments made by Onawah below were wrongfully put on my thread(Examples of Trump...) rather than here where the conversation originated and was currently taking place. So I’m answering them over here where they belong as they are on topic to this conversation.

The Trump is NOT the Answer thread is not about non-profits and whether or not they are NWO, either, and you have never offered any proof that organizations such as the Sierra Club have abandoned environmental protection in favor of NWO agendas.

But by posting them(non-profits)more than once on this thread, you are bringing them into the conversation to be used to make your point, please refer to your posts for validation in case you can’t remember. You stated that Trump’s policies are NWO, by your own statement highlighted and underlined below:

There are certainly things continuing to happen under Trump's direct orders that bode no good, but it seems to me that many forum members have become so blindly pro-Trump that, as you probably agree, it is going to be a whole lot less energy and time-consuming to just wait until it becomes obvious to even the most ardent Trump supporters that they have had blinders on to the wider perspective of what is going on and how undeniably pro-NWO many of his policies actually are.

I interpret this to mean, you think Trump is NWO. THE SIERRA CLUB and CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, two organizations you brought up, are directly tied to the NWO AGENDA 21. So you are using these two organizations to make your point of TRUMP IS NOT THE ANSWER, and accusing him of being NWO; while at the same time using two known New World Order organizations that promote the AGENDA 21 blueprint.

There’s plenty of proof if you know what to look for, however to find the proof you seek you have to read. Your ‘proof’ is not shown in a couple of statements. Below are a couple of documents presented to aide in your understanding and there are plenty more too much to post here, please do your own research for deeper understanding. The Presidential Council On Sustainable Development or PCSD which was formed via Executive Order 12852 for the purpose of organizing all the federal agencies in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA so they could establish the foundation of AGENDA 21 and implement through policies on a local level minus congressional approval and was established in 1992.

From Rosa Koire:

“The members of the PCSD included Cabinet Secretaries for Transportation, Agriculture, Education, Commerce, Housing and Urban Development, Environmental Protection Agency, Small Business Administration, Energy, Interior, and Defense. Representing business were CEOs for Pacific Gas and Electric, Enron (Ken Lay), BP Amoco, and Dow Chemical, among others. Environmental organizations rounded out the balance with the Natural Resources Defense Council, Sierra Club, World Resources Institute, the Nature Conservancy, and the Environmental Defense Fund being the most notable.”

Source: https://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/legal-objections.html

Below is a document put together and provided to listing attending members. This is from the Environmental Protection Agency’s own website. See page 3, Acknowledgements. Notice the Task Force? See the name Michelle Perrault, International Vice President, Sierra Club? This document is about implementing Agenda21 do take the time to thumb through it. This link is definitely a keeper for those looking for a deeper understanding.

https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/900A0H00.txt?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index=1995%20Thru%201999&Docs=&Query=&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=&IntQFieldOp=0&ExtQFieldOp=0&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A%5CZYFILES%5CINDEX%20DATA%5C95THRU99%5CTXT%5C00000019%5C900A0H00.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h%7C-&MaximumDocuments=1&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r75g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=hpfr&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=3

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If you want to look closer at Center For Biologcial Diversity for proof, another angle is to observe their funding. Their activities clearly aligns with Agenda 21’s Biodiversity goals but their funding can definitely reveal who’s agenda their promoting. This is a pretty damning article in which I’ve only posted a small portion:

Center For Biological Diversity
The Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) is a wealthy and radical anti-development activist and litigation organization that specializes in manipulating the Endangered Species Act to prevent resource production and human activity. Its activities have involved breaking the law – including a shoplifting conviction for its founder – and framing innocent people to ruin their lives and livelihoods.

Despite its hard-left anti-corporate stance, it has collected large donations from Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Microsoft and the ExxonMobil Foundation. It also enjoys support from some of the largest left-wing foundations in America, including the Tides Foundation, The New York Times Company Foundation, Rockefeller Family Fund, and Pew Charitable Trusts. The Center for Biological Diversity has incorporated several times in three different states, has changed its name and address and merged into a holding company, which is not only puzzling, but also makes tracking its activities, officers, and funding difficult.

In 2002, CBD was caught inserting falsified evidence of range damage into the federal grazing permit file of an Arizona ranching company the group had targeted for destruction. The wronged rancher took CBD to court in 2005, and a guilty verdict at trial required CBD to pay $600,000 in damages.

Source: http://leftexposed.org/2016/10/center-biological-diversity/

If you think this information is false then start pulling up the court case mentioned. I think the author provides links, but some may be broken since the article was written a while back.

I’ve already posted this maybe you missed it?

“One of the primary groups examined in Bevington’s study was the Center for Biological Diversity (formed in 1989), [22] and which in 2008 received support from elite philanthropic bodies that included the Foundation for Deep Ecology, the Environment Now Foundation, Tides Foundation, ExxonMobil Foundation, The New York Times Company Foundation, and even the “big green” environmental outfit, The Wilderness Society. Corporate funders of the “grassroots” Center for Biological Diversity included the likes of Goldman Sachs, the Bank of America, and Microsoft.”
Interesting to note here that the Center received all these major fundings in 2008, upon which it launched a major population control campaign the year after. This suggests that the same old foundations headed by the same old elites are continuing to push their vision of a depopulated world.

Source: https://www.infowars.com/environmentalist-group-to-hand-out-endangered-species-condoms/

Notice Microsoft on there? Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil Foundation, Bank of America!

Additonal Source: See article by Michael Barker:
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/category/organizations/center-for-biological-diversity/

If you want more info I would look up the Bevington study to cross reference and then start digging into Annual Reports of these organizations. I know for a fact Goldman Sachs is funding biodiversity organizations just google it. I bring this up as you mentioned somewhere in one of your posts a distaste for Goldman Sachs….well guess what, they’re funding an organization your touting on this thread. This is what you have to do to get to the truth. Even then, I often wonder how much isn’t being documented/revealed for our eyes to see?

Please understand, I'm not purposefully trying to overwhelm you with information. If you're looking for 'proof' and I'm to answer your questions, this is what you have to do, there's no getting around it and yes it takes time that most of us don't have..trust me I have 50 million things I should be doing right now rather than this, but it's easier for me to dig up this kind of information as I know where and what to look for.

I’ll answer the rest of your questions later.

Bill Ryan

20th April 2018, 00:04

Hello, Everyone:

We’ve taken the rare step of closing this thread (and also the Qanon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a---Very-Bad-Day---Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters--Nov-2017-and-beyond-) and the Examples of Trump Administration Dismantling Deep State’s Agenda 21 Blueprint (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102077-Examples-of-Trump-Administration-Dismantling-Deep-State--s-Agenda-21-Blueprint-) threads) for a day.

That’s three threads that have generated quite a lot of strong opinion. (That’s usually a good thing, by the way. :) )

This is to mandate what might be called a cooling-off period. We’ve received a number of reports, not just recently, and the common factors in some members’ disquiet is what is perceived (at least by some) as violations of the guidelines (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/faq.php?faq=avalonguidelines#faq_membershipguidelines).

Now. Kindly listen up. It's all quite a tangle, and the lines can never be drawn clearly enough to create an automatic judgment about what's okay and what's not. One person sees a troll, and another person sees someone with a strong counter-opinion. It's always HOW things are presented that's the criterion.

We have to allow (and even encourage) strong counter-opinions on the forum. Debate and discussion is how we all learn. If we're all preaching to the converted all the time, what's the value? It all becomes a giant echo-chamber.

And just as one person sees a troll, and another person sees someone with a strong counter-opinion, one person sees an insult and is offended or riled, and another will see nothing like that at all. There's no way a concise set of guidelines can sift and sort all that.

The same goes with what’s on topic. One person will suspect a deliberate attempt to derail the thread; while another may see a lateral-thinking cross-linking to a related topic. (The on/off topic thing is interesting. Other threads can veer wildly off-topic, but no-one cares; that’s because emotions haven’t already been raised by the hot topic of the thread’s central theme.)

In some cases, an off-topic post is clearly made. It may not be a deliberate attempt to divert. People can read complex arguments and be stimulated to share or inform about all kinds of things. But the principal at play here is always to RETURN to the main topic, and for everyone to support that.

And finally on that, a thread on a certain strongly-felt topic is very likely to attract and stimulate counterpoints. That’s fine. Again, that's how we learn. And again, it’s HOW those counterpoints are posed that’s the issue.

If those reading this can sit with a moderator's hat on for just a moment, you may see that all far from easy to manage. It's like a business or civil meeting full of very passionate people who are not agreeing. The key, one more time, is how that passion is expressed.

Please consider this. Here are the predigested bulletpoints:

This thread will re-open in 24 hours.
This is NOT censorship.
We are not publicly admonishing anyone here.
We encourage diversity of opinion, and spirited information-backed debate.
KEY to this is that the debate should be appropriate and courteous. There are ways of disagreeing strongly while holding others in respect.

Many thanks to all. There are MANY MANY MANY other interesting threads here to keep anyone on Planet Earth amused, informed, educated and engaged for a day!

If this step doesn’t seem to have any effect, certain members can be blocked from posting on a particular thread (i.e. for them it’s read-only), if the mods feel that’s warranted. There are also a number of other steps we can take.

What we DO want is for people to learn. Avalon is far more than a simple message-exchange vehicle, like Facebook or Twitter. It’s a library, or even a university. (Read and absorb every thread we have here, and you’ll know more than any human alive. :) )

I’ll close by referencing one of the seven key recommendations showcased by Stephen Covey in his excellent book The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People (https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People-Anniversary/dp/1511317299). His 5th 'habit' is:

Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood.

This blog post, all about that, is WELL worth reading if you’re wondering what to do next.

https://huffingtonpost.com/joanne-lang/seek-first-to-understand_b_5609892.html

Bill Ryan

21st April 2018, 01:03

Folks, the thread is now open again. :thumbsup:

As Richard Dolan says at the close of every one of his radio shows: — be kind to each other.

:focus:

AutumnW

21st April 2018, 17:09

AutumnW

21st April 2018, 17:16

AutumnW

21st April 2018, 18:15

We R One,

In spite of all of the differences of opinion, I think it IS very important to draw everybody's attention to the fact that the most destructive forces in the current system have PR bodies that 'green wash' them. Oil companies that present a green face through different agencies and advertising is one pretty lurid example. So, thank you for providing that information.

Now, in the same spirit of "things aren't as they appear" and the use of "ruses" I wonder about Agenda 21. It might be part of a similar psi-op, funded by Big Oil, to rouse extreme fear of government control. What makes me suspicious is how this psi-op (if it is one) curries hatred for socialism AND environmentalism at the same time.

Imagine how great that is for mining companies, oil companies and financiers to function in an environment where people accept a destroyed environment because they think the alternative is Agenda 21.

Just a thought.

ThePythonicCow

22nd April 2018, 06:17

Well, it's been awhile. Thanks Bill for the grace period.

I would suggest that people be kind to each other but also firm in the face of blowhard tactics, talking down and questionable 'research'. Example--Alex Jones and Breibart are NOT legitimate sources. Are they always wrong..No. Are they often wrong and biased...yes!

Alex is currently being sued by the parents of two children killed at Sandy Hook. These people not only had their kids killed, they had to put up with being labelled 'crisis actors' and subsequent death threats.

If someone does want to wander off topic, that's fine with me. However, if they do so with a belittling tone and know it all, overbearing attitude and insane links I will report it and I hope it is acted on.

If I were forced to place an even odds wager right now, on the question of whether any students were shot inside that Sandy Hook school that day, I'd wager that none were shot.

Does my saying thus mean that I am guilty of an overbearing attitude and of using blowhard tactics ?

~~~~~~~

To answer my own question, I don't think it means that.

I have little doubt, given all that I commented on, over many years, that I have at times presented an overbearing attitude, used blowhard tactics, and relied on insufficient research or questionable sources.

But I don't think that my current leaning, as just expressed above, on that particular question (how many students died at Sandy Hook), after doing quite a bit of reading on the question, is an example of such failings.

~~~~~~~

Rather something else is going on, and I'm having some difficulty putting my finger on it.

~~~~~~~

Earlier this week I encountered what seems like the same phenomenon in my "real" life, as my ex-wife, to whom I was married twenty years, was visiting me from California to attend a graduation ceremony for our wonderful son here in Texas. She's more of a "California liberal", and the last time I identified with any major political party, I would have been closer to "Texas conservative."

Pretty much any expression by myself of a view on any "political" topic immediately got her dandruff up. As best as I can figure (and I still can't claim to understand such things well), it was as if any statement of my view on such a topic came across to her as if I were forcing my view down her throat. She would gag. If I had been forcing my views on her, then gagging and resisting might have been entirely appropriate. But so far as I am aware, I hope and prefer that she have her own views, on whatever topics she considers. It's her life, her mind, and I hope she continues to live it well.

~~~~~~~

I sense two things happening here, on the forum, sometimes.

One of those things I just illustrated with a personal vignette. A straight forward presentation of a contrary view can feel overbearing to a dissenting party.

The other thing is that sometimes we present our views with more disdain for the dissenting views than is necessary.

~~~~~~~

I would suggest two, related, remedies.

I would suggest that whatever others think of our views is seldom important. As a long standing administrator, I've had more opportunity than most to be criticized by others here, on the forum. Most of the time, after I look briefly to see if there is something of value in the criticism that I happen to be ready to learn, or something that I can honestly remedy, I conclude that whatever "emotional angst" was included in their criticism is their choice, their life, about which I can usually do little that would be beneficial and well received. So ... in short ... let others bloviate ... that's their cud to chew on. [ Aside: I sometimes decide that the best way to respond to what I consider to be bogus or antagonistic replies is to refocus my efforts on better understanding and presenting my own views. Not all dissent requires, or even benefits from, a blow-by-blow rebuttal. ]

On the other side, grant others the space to hold whatever views they hold, within a wide margin of error. As someone who has held just about every position in the political spectrum, from left to right, over the decades, perhaps this is slightly easier for me than some. I've held most of the views that I now disagree with, and disagreed with most of the views I now hold. So I imagine that the other person I now disagree with is myself, from some other decade of my (pleasantly) long life, and try to threat them as I am grateful others treated me, back then.

~~~~~~~

In final summation: be generous in accepting the views of others, and gentle in presenting one's own views.

Or, as Jon Postel said (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/Postels-Prescription.html) of Unix networking protocols:

“Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send.”

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P.S. -- The above does not address another question, of what is, or is not, too far off-topic. Different thread creators (and probably different moderators) have different instincts and preferences on this question. I have no suggestions at present on this conundrum.

AutumnW

22nd April 2018, 07:33

DNA

22nd April 2018, 08:25

Jayke

22nd April 2018, 12:34

AutumnW

22nd April 2018, 16:20

AutumnW

22nd April 2018, 16:37

Paul,

I don't agree with you at times, like about Sandy Hook but you are always very polite so it's okay. I am saddened and disappointed though that Project Avalon, as a forum, isn't taking a stand against Alex Jones in the same spirit that they went after Corey Goode. Maybe in time PA will. The man is a liar a conman and a schnook, imho. If he loses the judgements in court it should prove to one and all pretty conclusively that the story is just that -- a story. At that point, if it ocurrs, I hope you discourage links to his site.
Alex is pointing out the faults and corruption in the system and you cheerlead the corrupt system to take him down. Your faith is misplaced in my opinion.
If Alex had only done the Bohemian Grove video he would live on in the whistle blower hall of fame as an outstanding inductee. But Alex has down so so so much more than that.
At this point Alex has become the flag bearer, the gold standard, the Babe Ruth of his field.
The things he talks about take a bit of research before they become clear.
It takes some time.
The only problem here is that we are running out of time.

I noticed, with Alex Jones, that his presentation style became even more manic, evangelical, blowhard and preacherish after taking on Paul Joseph Watson as an editor. Alex Jones, in my view, allowed PJW to become infowars voice for the conservative crowd. While Jones adapted his personality to appeal more to the southern state, Bible Belt demographic.
So if you can’t stand Alex Jones (and honestly, I find listening to him is like listening to nails on a chalkboard) but that’s by design in my opinion, and it means you’re not his intended demographic. Whereas, Paul Joseph Watson, does some great videos for infowars, that really resonate with me.

Jones has also recently financed, Tommy Robinson (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQ3pmDjfkc), in the UK as well; who is building a strong fanbase of support, especially among the white-collar working class. A lot of people are being woken up to the NWO agenda by these people. A positive shift in consciousness is definitely occurring.

So Alex Jones—who is helping wake people up to illusions—versus Corey Goode, who is trying to delude people with illusions, I know which one I’d rather support.

Like the illusion that Trump is going to get sued by Sandy Hook parents, I’d make a wager that it’s never going to happen, just more distractions for the bread and circuses (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses).
Jayke,

Thanks for your analysis here. I've watched a few PJW videos and been impressed. His take on pop music is bang on. I will take a look at Robinson too. You have helped to illuminate what I find repulsive about Jones here though. He has crafted his style to appeal to a demographic. In other words, he has become a product, no different than Democratic politicians who play up their Southern roots, like Clinton, to capture those votes. It's fake, so I know longer take them as seriously.

With Sandy Hook he went wayyyyy overboard and hurt real people. Manic dot collecting to whip up controversy isn't okay. Waking people up is one thing, encouraging more paranoia than is necessary ( and God knows being mildly paranoid is understandable) is dangerous, divisive and fundamentalist. It becomes black and white thinking when those who question Jones are viewed as being asleep, unaware, bovine cud chewing herd animals, in league with the govt. or the devil.

It is Alex Jones who is being taken to court about his crisis actor claims with regards Sandy Hook.

When one veil of illusion drops off, remember there are several more layers beneath it. Jones is one more veil.

Thank you for your response. You have been polite and communicate very well.

Joe from the Carolinas

22nd April 2018, 18:10

ThePythonicCow

23rd April 2018, 02:46

I am saddened and disappointed though that Project Avalon, as a forum, isn't taking a stand against Alex Jones in the same spirit that they went after Corey Goode. Maybe in time PA will. The man is a liar a conman and a schnook, imho. If he loses the judgements in court it should prove to one and all pretty conclusively that the story is just that -- a story. At that point, if it ocurrs, I hope you discourage links to his site.
It might have been that the Avalon forum felt a particular obligation to publicly state our changed understanding of Corey Goode, because we had played an important role in his earlier rise. We have played no such role in the rise of Alex Jones.

Personally, I find Alex Jones to be a mixed blessing. There was a time when I was more of a right wing Republican and I listened to Alex more. Now I am more of a cynical conspiracy theory nutcase and iconoclastic analyst, and I can't take much of Alex Jones. But, in any case, I find him and his websites to be a more complex mix of the good, the bad, the bold, and the ugly, of information, insight, disinformation, and blind spots, than I find Corey Goode.

I don't think we should necessarily discourage discussion of or links to the work of either Goode or Alex, as a general case. Rather as always, we should encourage the various perspectives, insights, evidence and analyses that further our discussion and support the well being and awareness of our members, guests and indirectly other beings.

ThePythonicCow

23rd April 2018, 02:50

It is Alex Jones who is being taken to court about his crisis actor claims with regards Sandy Hook.
I no longer find the American court system to be a good indicator of the truth.

I might still cheer when whomever I consider to be a "good guy" wins, or a "bad guy" loses, but who brings a civil case against whom, or why they state they do so, tells me little.

onawah

1st October 2018, 17:34

It's been a while since anyone posted on this thread, but hopefully things have changed enough now on the forum that it will be safe to air info and opinions here about things the Trump Admin is doing that are NOT the answer, without knee jerk reactions from pro-Trump members.
Beginning with a great comment from Autumn as follows:

Imagine how great that is for mining companies, oil companies and financiers to function in an environment where people accept a destroyed environment because they think the alternative is Agenda 21.
Just a thought.

From Environmental Working Group's email today:
"BREAKING: EPA Sides with Big Ag and Fights Court Order to Ban Chlorpyrifos!
Tell the EPA it’s time to stand up for children’s health and finally ban chlorpyrifos!
Unbelievable!

The Trump administration is placing the interests of Big Ag and chemical companies above protecting children’s brains.
Last week, the administration announced plans to fight a court order to ban chlorpyrifos, a neurotoxic pesticide that can cause brain damage in children. Studies by the Environmental Protection Agency’s own scientists show that chloropyrifos impairs children’s IQ and brain development.
The EPA’s move is outrageous. We need to ban chlorpyrifos now.
The EPA was on track for banning this pesticide last year, but before he resigned in disgrace, former agency chief Scott Pruitt cancelled the ban at the last minute – just a few weeks after meeting with the CEO of Dow Chemical, the world’s largest manufacturer of chlorpyrifos.
After months of public outrage and legal battles, a federal appeals court ordered the EPA to ban chlorpyrifos within 60 days, saying there was no justification for the cancellation. But the administration is stubbornly challenging the court order.
We must fight back. Will you join us?
Sign our petition and tell the EPA it’s time to stand up for children’s health and finally ban the brain-damaging pesticide chlorpyrifos!
Take action here:
https://secure.ewg.org/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=2421&tag=201810ChlorGmail&track=ACTION_Chlor

This isn’t the first time the Trump administration has put chemical industry profits ahead of public health and it won’t be the last. Just look at what the EPA has done already:
Allowed hazardous chemicals like chlorpyrifos, TCE and methylene chloride to stay on the market.
Insisted that Monsanto’s infamous pesticide glyphosate is not linked to cause cancer, contradicting the World Health Organization.
Delayed or suppressed studies on non-stick PFAS chemicals and formaldehyde.
We’re so close to getting this dangerous pesticide out of our environment and away from our kids. The administration is making a last-ditch effort to appease the chemical industry. We need to make sure they know Americans won’t stand for it.
Stand up with EWG and make your voice heard! Tell the EPA to stand up for children’s health, not chemical industry profits
ADD YOUR NAME: Protect kids from the brain-damaging pesticide chlorpyrifos. The EPA is out of excuses and must take action on this chemical NOW!
https://secure.ewg.org/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=2421&tag=201810ChlorGmail&track=ACTION_Chlor
Thanks for standing with us."

Alex Formuzis
Vice President of Communications, EWG

Flash

1st October 2018, 17:52

All politicians and presidents/prime ministers are working for the oligarchy, all of them, including Trump.

Trump is just a change in official power and in who is backing who. But at the end, it is not about people. My opinion. edit: I think Trump is backed by another branch or the military, but by power hungry people anyhow, him being one too.

I do think the same for Canada and Trudeau - and I know for a fact that usually politicians who are elected at corner stone positions have been groomed for years prior by the oligarchy.

Easier to do when we have dynasties of politicians (which is not Trump case here, but Trudeau's case, the Clintons, the Bushes, and more. edit: I meant here that those are groomed basically from early childhood, those from dynasties, while a guy like Trump who was most probably groomed later on (like early adult). Do I have proofs, none. But I still think this happened since he was talking presidency in early adulthood.

edit: in other words, Trump is not the answer, he is an immense powder cake thrown at us.

And the Clinton and democrats are far from the answer either, they are still more dangerous in my opinion. And more corrupted.

ichingcarpenter

1st October 2018, 21:25

Regulatory Capture of the EPA Trump Administration

Level of EPA industry influence under Trump is unprecedented
https://thinkprogress.org/study-highlights-regulatory-capture-at-scott-pruitt-epa-73ac6ca863b6/

Scott Pruitt, Andrew Wheeler, and Regulatory Capture at the EPA Columbia University

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2018/04/16/pruitt-wheeler-regulatory-capture-epa/

New Study: The Environmental Protection Agency in the Early Trump Administration: Prelude to Regulatory Capture
UC Santa Cruz

https://sociology.ucsc.edu/news-events/news/edgi-inside-climate-news.html

In Trump's Government, The 'Regulated Have Become The Regulators' npr

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543876454/in-trumps-government-the-regulated-have-become-the-regulators

I didn't like Obama using Monsanto guys in the EPA but its getting worse.
I care about the food we eat, the air we breath, the water we drink no matter who is in power

ThePythonicCow

1st October 2018, 23:37

ichingcarpenter

1st October 2018, 23:41

Flash

1st October 2018, 23:46

Easier to do when we have dynasties of politicians (which is not Trump case here, but Trudeau's case, the Clintons, the Bushes, and more.
... Trump is not part of dynasty ... unless perhaps you're one of those suspecting that JFK Jr is still alive (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103683-Is-JFK-Jr-Still-Alive), and working with Trump. In that case, Trump might be seen as a hired hand of the Kennedy dynasty.

Biggest nonsense I've ever heard.

Besides Paul......... you are saying he is the answer.
HELLO?.. ...... I really think your position on all the threads are not neutral...

NOOOOOOO, I AM SAYING THE CONTRARY, HE IS FAR FROM THE ANSWER. (screaming because I want to be heard and the mistake corrected, not screaming at you personally ichingcarpenter)

i must not have expressed myself correctly, I am going to correct my post.

All I said about dynasties is that they are groomed almost before birth, while a guy like Trump has to be groomed as an adult or young fellow, a little harder to do, but still quite done all over the world.

ThePythonicCow

2nd October 2018, 00:08

I really think your position on all the threads are not neutral...
I am not neutral in the topical content of my posts.

I endeavor to be neutral in my administrative actions.

Besides Paul......... you are saying he is the answer.
My current, quite non-neutral, position is that Trump is part of answer to some of our problems, but that my instincts warn me that he and the powers behind him will quite likely be the primary creators of a different variety of problems, that I don't yet foresee as well.

Thus ... I try to stay on guard and to pay some attention to those who are and will be more likely to notice such problems first, before I would, given my particular biases.

ichingcarpenter

2nd October 2018, 00:27

''Thus ... I try to stay on guard and to pay some attention to those who are and will be more likely to notice such problems first, before I would, given my particular biases.''

Your biases are apparent

No comment on his corporate capture of the EPA?

Don't you have a thread you can post on..... since you think Trump is the answer.

OH wait there is

AutumnW

2nd October 2018, 00:38

Paul, I feel a bit the same way. I hope for the best but am prepared for the worst. The most dire scenario could turn the U.S into a smokestack Hell, (as Onawah has taken pains to describe. A belated thank you to you, Onawah!) presided over by Christian fundamentalist Orks.

The prison system, partnered with oligopolies and administered by a harsh theocratic state could completely engulf and potentiate industrial expansion.

It could, in effect, become against the law to be poor -- the lives blacks have been enduring for decades could very well be experienced by vast numbers of whites, all under the religious rubric of Christian fascist sentiments. There will be a profit incentive there, acting as a strong motivator.

What should be taken into account by those who are anti Trump, is Trump is responding to an anguish, and purposeless that runs very deep, to the point that it poses an enormous existential threat, through drug addiction, surely a disease of despair.

Have a heart for those living in the rust belt and Southern states. Try to experience through imagination what that must be like.

And those who are pro-Trump, understand that those who are not, are concerned about how this plays out, based partly on historic parallels. And they are not just worried for themselves, most are worried for the world, in general.

ThePythonicCow

2nd October 2018, 00:43

No comment on his corporate capture of the EPA?
I know that I have not looked into that. I'm sure I don't have any particular insight or information on that.

I presume that sometimes "things are not what they seem", hence that some of what I think I like about Trump, and some of what I think I don't like, is based on my misunderstandings and ignorance.

I don't condemn everything a person or group does because some of what they do or do not do is (or appears to be) antithetical to my principles. Few if any would pass that test.

In other words:

Just because I support an action A of some person or group does not mean that I consider myself to be a hypocrite because that person has done some other action B that I don't support or would not support if I thought about it.
Figuring out what a major public figure or group is actually doing or not doing, as opposed to how it is presented, is a most difficult and error prone endeavor.

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And those who are pro-Trump, understand that those who are not, are concerned about how this plays out, based partly on historic parallels. And they are not just worried for themselves, most are worried for the world, in general.
Yes :).

ichingcarpenter

2nd October 2018, 00:47

Masterful passive aggressive behavior...... I mean that in as a compliment............NOW back on topic........ what is the topic Mr. Adm?

ThePythonicCow

2nd October 2018, 00:53

... what is the topic Mr. Adm?
As I already just stated, I don't have any particular insight or information on that.

I recommend you ask that question of those whom you do think belong on this thread, or who might have something useful to say here.

ichingcarpenter

2nd October 2018, 01:31

I thought it was if I read this right the topic is

Trump is NOT the answer

But you can't read? Or are playing a passive aggressive game?

I recommend you stop your posting and get back on topic

AutumnW

2nd October 2018, 01:36

IChing, I read all your posts whenever I come across them and feel a kinship with you. But on the matter of who posts here I think it's best to keep it open to all perspectives as long as they aren't hectoring, screaming in caps and or beating a dead horse!

So far we have done pretty well considering the subject matter! With respect...AutumnW

ichingcarpenter

2nd October 2018, 01:40

Autumn I don't like bullies who are in position of power like Trump and change the subject for their own agenda...... do YOU?

AutumnW

2nd October 2018, 01:46

I don't like bullies and more to the point they are usually scared shirtless of me:blackwidow:

This isn't a confrontational question but sincere curiosity. Could you please point me to the post that indicates bullying in a pm? Thanks Dude!

onawah

2nd October 2018, 02:58

Thanks Autumn. In my view, all we were given with Trump was the lesser evil, and as I've said before, that isn't really a choice; imho it's all been managed, making it appear as a kind of coup, very cleverly and very much behind the scenes.
I'm not certain what your original intention was in starting this thread, but the purpose I have put it to, when I've had the stomach for it, is to present evidence about things the Trump Admin (not necessarily Trump himself, but those in his Admin), which do not serve us.
Because I have long been an environmental activist, much of what I have posted here has been about that.
Other issues I stay informed on are the rights of indigenous people in the US and the welfare of children and seniors.
There are among the things that really matter which are not receiving enough attention precisely because of the political circus, and if nothing else, someone should be keeping track.
I avoid political arguments, and I hope that this thread will not be shanghaied again by that subterfuge.
Avalon recently fell into a very deep hole for far too long because of political arguments and opinions , which is not constructive and a big waste of time, imho.
Hopefully that doesn't happen again.

Paul, I feel a bit the same way. I hope for the best but am prepared for the worst. The most dire scenario could turn the U.S into a smokestack Hell, (as Onawah has taken pains to describe. A belated thank you to you, Onawah!) presided over by Christian fundamentalist Orks.

The prison system, partnered with oligopolies and administered by a harsh theocratic state could completely engulf and potentiate industrial expansion.

It could, in effect, become against the law to be poor -- the lives blacks have been enduring for decades could very well be experienced by vast numbers of whites, all under the religious rubric of Christian fascist sentiments. There will be a profit incentive there, acting as a strong motivator.

What should be taken into account by those who are anti Trump, is Trump is responding to an anguish, and purposeless that runs very deep, to the point that it poses an enormous existential threat, through drug addiction, surely a disease of despair.

Have a heart for those living in the rust belt and Southern states. Try to experience through imagination what that must be like.

And those who are pro-Trump, understand that those who are not, are concerned about how this plays out, based partly on historic parallels. And they are not just worried for themselves, most are worried for the world, in general.

onawah

2nd October 2018, 03:26

Andrew Saul is Unfit to Lead the Social Security Administration
October 1st, 2018
Contact: Linda Benesch, lbenesch@socialsecurityworks.org

https://www.socialsecurityworks.org/2018/10/01/andrew-saul-social-security-administration/

(Washington, DC) — "The following is a statement from Alex Lawson, Executive Director of Social Security Works, in anticipation of tomorrow’s Senate Finance Committee hearing on Donald Trump’s nomination of Andrew M. Saul for Commissioner Of Social Security:

“Like so many of Donald Trump’s nominees, Andrew Saul is utterly unqualified for the position to which he has been nominated. He has no background in Social Security whatsoever.

He did, however, serve on the board of the right-wing Manhattan Institute which has consistently been extremely hostile to Social Security, including publishing articles advocating for drastic cuts to benefits.

Furthermore, Saul has a track record of deeply concerning personal conduct. In November 2007, Saul was forced to drop out of the race for a New York Congressional seat due to unethical campaign contributions. In April 2012, Saul tried to lie “his way out of a trespassing rap by falsely identifying himself as a police commissioner.”

Saul graduated from The Wharton School in 1968, the same year as Donald Trump. Like Trump and many of Trump’s appointees, including Brett Kavanaugh, Saul appears to believe that his wealth and privilege should make him above the law.

This is not a man who should be in charge of Social Security, a program that is an essential lifeline for over 60 million Americans and their families. A vote for Andrew Saul is a vote against Social Security. The Senate Finance Committee must reject this nomination.”

Further Reading:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzSSrp0ipxjRMXNlVC05MzR3bHVRN0d6UjE5eVB5c1VoWlBF/view
"September 25, 2018
The Honorable Orrin Hatch, Chairman U.S Senate Committee on Finance Washington, D.C. 20510
The Honorable Ron Wyden, Ranking Member U.S. Senate Committee on Finance Washington, D.C. 20510
Dear Chairman Hatch and Ranking Member Wyden,
The Strengthen Social Security Coalition consists of over 350 national and state organizations, representing over 50 million Americans, including seniors, women, people with disabilities, workers, people of color, and veterans. The coalition is strongly opposed to President Trump’s nominee, Mr. Andrew M. Saul, of New York, to be the next commissioner of the Social Security Administration (SSA). Given our strong objections, the coalition is particularly concerned that the Senate is considering confirming him not just for the remainder of the current term, but for a new six-year term, following that.
The commissioner of the Social Security Administration must have deep knowledge of Social Security, a program which is vitally important but extremely complicated. In addition, the commissioner must have a deep and clear understanding of the challenges facing SSA. Mr. Saul has no previous work experience related to Social Security or SSA. While the experience Mr. Saul gained from his time working on the federal thrift savings plan (TSP) was undoubtedly valuable, it has little value to helping him run the Social Security system, unless he seeks to privatize the program.
The Social Security Administration is facing numerous challenges including long waits at field offices, on the 1-800 number, and, most distressingly, for final determinations for those whose work has been ended as the result of serious and permanent disability. The head of this crucial agency should be someone who is up to speed, not someone who will require on-the-job training. New claims representatives are trained for over a year before they are ready to help the public; a commissioner should have much more experience, training, and expertise before taking control of such a large, vital agency.
Further, the person serving as SSA commissioner, a position of public trust, should be of the highest ethical standing. In November 2007, Mr. Saul was forced to drop out of the race for a New York Congressional seat after the New York Times uncovered questionable contributions to his campaign. At the time of his campaign, Mr. Saul served as a state officer, as the vice chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA). He was also a presidential appointee, serving as the chairman of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board. New York laws prohibit members of boards, like the MTA, from taking donations from companies or individuals seeking to do business with their agency. Mr. Saul’s campaign received donations from heads of Vornado Realty Trust and Tishman Speyer Properties, development companies that submitted bids with the MTA soon after their leadership donations. In addition to a state level violation, Mr. Saul’s receipt of donation is a direct violation of the federal Hatch Act, which forbids federal employees from soliciting campaign contributions.
Further, in 2012, Mr. Saul was riding his bike in his neighborhood in New York and directly disobeyed the instruction of a law enforcement officer who told him not to enter a restricted area. Instead of obeying the law, he lied about his identity to the police officer. (From) an investigation of the incident by the Bedford Police.
Strengthen Social Security Coalition • 1440 G Street, NW • Washington, DC 20005

DNA

2nd October 2018, 03:29

onawah

2nd October 2018, 03:33

From EPA Watch and Lakota People's Law Project"
EPA Wants Coal Plants to Emit MORE Toxic Mercury
(These articles are all quite recent, apparently demonstrating that it hasn't been a matter of time before Trump corrected his destructive course re the environment, it has been a matter of intention.)

"The Trump administration is proposing to significantly weaken a rule that limits the amount of mercury and other toxic emissions from coal plants, the New York Times reported on Sunday.

Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist and acting administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), has drafted a plan that would undermine the 2011 Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) and has sent the proposal to the White House Office of Management and Budget, according to the Washington Post.

Burning coal releases harmful byproducts such as mercury, which can pollute the environment and harm the nervous systems of children and fetuses.

From:
https://twitter.com/brady_dennis/status/1046749053713862656
Senator Tom Carper
✔
@SenatorCarper
Is this really the way @realDonaldTrump's administration intends to celebrate #NationalChildHealthDay?

Scrapping the rule that keeps mercury – a known neurotoxin – from polluting our environment and permanently affecting our young, developing children is a new low

Brady Dennis
✔
@brady_dennis
In rollback of @EPA mercury rule, Trump administration could revamp how the government values human health. w/@eilperin https://wapo.st/2Rf1035

11:02 AM - Oct 1, 2018

The Obama-era standard found between $4 million to $6 million in health benefits from mercury reduction alone, but also justified the regulation for its "co-benefits" of reducing pollution of soot and nitrogen oxide from power plants. In all, the rule's total value was estimated to save between $37 billion to $90 billion each year due to air quality improvements, as well as preventing up to 11,000 premature deaths, 4,700 heart attacks and 130,000 asthma attacks every year, the previous administration said then.

The regulation has had a contentious and litigious history, but in 2015 the Supreme Court upheld the rule and the utility industry has complied with the standards ever since. However, installing mercury pollution scrubbers has cost the sector $9.6 billion a year, "making it the most expensive clean air regulation ever put forth by the federal government," the New York Times wrote.

Wheeler's proposal, according to the Times, does not eliminate MATS but would direct the EPA to exclude the "co-benefits" when considering the economic impact of a regulation.

EPA spokesman John Konkus explained to the Post that "the MATS Rule was an egregious example of the Obama administration's indifference toward required cost benefit analysis."

But John Walke, Clean Air director at the Natural Resources Defense Council called the move a "sweeping attack on considering the benefits of cutting hazardous pollution from coal plants."

"It's the first legal step toward eliminating mercury, lead and other dangerous pollution standards entirely," he said in a statement received by EcoWatch. "And what the Trump EPA is pursuing—the fraudulent denial of real-world benefits from clean air and climate safeguards—is the unholy grail of the polluting industry and its lobbyists for decades."

The Sierra Club noted that Wheeler's proposal directly benefits one of his former clients, coal company Murray Energy, as well as EPA's assistant administrator William Wehrum, a former coal industry lawyer.

"If finalized, this shameful plan would undermine standards that have already been widely implemented, exposing our kids to more toxic mercury and arsenic just so Andrew Wheeler and Bill Wehrum can appease a handful of their former clients in the coal industry," Mary Anne Hitt, senior director of Sierra Club's Beyond Coal campaign, said in a press release. "This disgraceful move by Wheeler and Wehrum directly endangers the health of our kids and we will do everything we can to stop it."

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onawah

2nd October 2018, 03:48

Lakota People's Law Project
9/30/18
"TransCanada has begun construction of the Keystone XL pipeline near the Rosebud Reservation, just a week after the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) and the Fort Belknap Indian Community (Assiniboine (Nakoda) and Gros Ventre (Aaniiih) Tribes) sued the Trump Administration for its illegal approval of the pipeline.
TransCanada has begun construction of the Keystone XL pipeline near the Rosebud Reservation, just a week after the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) and the Fort Belknap Indian Community (Assiniboine (Nakoda) and Gros Ventre (Aaniiih) Tribes) sued the Trump Administration for its illegal approval of the pipeline.

Bulldozers were seen this week grading the land in Tripp County, South Dakota, adjacent to Rosebud lands. Construction has begun despite the fact that there are three lawsuits currently going on. The one filed by Rosebud Sioux last week citDonate Now buttones the fact that the Trump Administration has not undertaken any analysis of: trust obligations, the potential impact on tribal hunting and fishing rights, the potential impacts on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe’s unique water system, the potential impact of spills on tribal citizens, or the potential impact on cultural sites in the path of the pipeline. This is in violation of federal law.

“The United States is allowing TransCanada to begin construction even though there has been no review of our treaty rights, hunting and fishing rights, or the impacts to our people, our water, or our environment,” President Rodney M. Bordeaux of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. “We will fight to ensure that federal law is followed.” Read the full letter from President Bordeaux.

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe and the Fort Belknap Indian Community intend to move ahead with their claims against the United States and to demand that the United States honor its legal obligations."

Learn more about the Keystone XL Pipeline and the tribes’ opposition.
https://www.narf.org/cases/keystone/
"KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE
Attorney: Natalie A. Landreth, Matthew L. Campbell, Wesley James Furlong, Dan Lewerenz

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) and the Fort Belknap Indian Community (Assiniboine (Nakoda) and Gros Ventre (Aaniiih) Tribes) in coordination with their counsel, the Native American Rights Fund, on September 10, 2018, sued the Trump Administration for numerous violations of the law in the Keystone XL pipeline permitting process. The Tribes are asking the court to rescind the illegal issuance of the Keystone XL pipeline presidential permit.

Case Updates
September 26, 2018:

TransCanada has begun construction of the Keystone XL pipeline near the Rosebud Reservation, just a week after the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) and the Fort Belknap Indian Community (Assiniboine (Nakoda) and Gros Ventre (Aaniiih) Tribes) sued the Trump Administration for its illegal approval of the pipeline.

Bulldozers were seen this week grading the land in Tripp County, South Dakota, adjacent to Rosebud lands. Construction has begun despite the fact that there are three lawsuits currently going on. The one filed by Rosebud Sioux last week cites the fact that the Trump Administration has not undertaken any analysis of: trust obligations, the potential impact on tribal hunting and fishing rights, the potential impacts on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe’s unique water system, the potential impact of spills on tribal citizens, or the potential impact on cultural sites in the path of the pipeline. This is in violation of federal law.
Screenshot of first page of Bordeaux Letter, Click to download PDF
“The United States is allowing TransCanada to begin construction even though there has been no review of our treaty rights, hunting and fishing rights, or the impacts to our people, our water, or our environment,” President Rodney M. Bordeaux of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. “We will fight to ensure that federal law is followed.”

Read the full letter from President Bordeaux:

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe and the Fort Belknap Indian Community intend to move ahead with their claims against the United States and to demand that the United States honor its legal obligations.

September 10, 2018:

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) and the Fort Belknap Indian Community (Assiniboine (Nakoda) and Gros Ventre (Aaniiih) Tribes) in coordination with their counsel, the Native American Rights Fund, on September 10, 2018, sued the Trump Administration in the U.S. District Court for the District of Montana, Great Falls Division, for numerous violations of the law in the Keystone XL pipeline permitting process. The Tribes are asking the court to declare the review process in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), and the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) and to rescind the illegal issuance of the Keystone XL pipeline presidential permit.

On March 23, 2017, the U.S. Department of State granted TransCanada’s permit application and issued it a presidential permit to construct and operate the Keystone XL Pipeline. This decision reversed two previous administrative decisions and was done without any public comment or environmental analysis. The permitting process was completed only 56 days after TransCanada submitted its application for the third time. The State Department provided no explanation in the 2017 decision for its contradictory factual finding; instead, it simply disregarded its previous factual findings and replaced them with a new one. Stop KXL buttonThe reversal came as no surprise. According to a 2015 personal public financial disclosure report filed with the Federal Election Commission, then-candidate Trump held between $250,000 and $500,000 worth of stock in TransCanada Pipelines, Ltd. NARF Staff Attorney Natalie Landreth explains, “President Trump permitted the Keystone XL pipeline because he wanted to. It was a political step, having nothing to do with what the law actually requires. NARF is honored to represent the Rosebud Sioux and Fort Belknap Tribes to fully enforce the laws and fight this illegal pipeline.”

Cowgirl walking horse at sunrise.
Woman and horse at Ft. Belknap. Photo by Todd Klassy. *

Snaking its way from Alberta to Nebraska, the pipeline would cross the United States-Canada border in Philips County, Montana, directly adjacent to Blaine County and the Fort Belknap Indian Reservation. The pipeline would cross less than 100 miles from the headquarters of the Fort Belknap Indian Reservation and run directly through sacred and historic sites as well as the ancestral lands of the Gros Ventre and Assiniboine Tribes. In South Dakota, the pipeline would cross through Tripp County, just miles from the boundaries of the Rosebud Indian Reservation and within yards of Rosebud’s trust lands and tribal members’ allotments. These lands are well within the area of impact for even a small rupture and spill. There are countless historical, cultural, and religious sites in the planned path of the pipeline that are at risk of destruction, both by the pipeline’s construction and by the threat of inevitable ruptures and spills if the pipeline becomes operational. Additionally, the Rosebud Sioux Tribe operates its own water delivery system, which is part of the Mni Wiconi Rural Water Supply Project. The pipeline would cross the two sources of water for the Mni Wiconi Project.

Despite all of these facts, throughout the permitting process, there was no analysis of trust obligations, no analysis of treaty rights, no analysis of the potential impact on hunting and fishing rights, no analysis of potential impacts on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe’s unique water system, no analysis of the potential impact of spills on tribal citizens, and no analysis of the potential impact on cultural sites in the path of the pipeline, which is in violation of the NEPA and the NHPA.

November 2017:

President William Kindle of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe (Sicangu Lakota Oyate) promised continued vigilance in light of the Nebraska Public Service Commission’s decision today to permit TransCanada Corp.’s proposed Keystone XL pipeline to cross that state’s lands. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe has retained the Native American Rights Fund (NARF) to represent its interests with regard to the Keystone XL pipeline.

The pipeline’s proposed route crosses through traditional Lakota homelands and treaty territories, and will affect not only the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, but also Native Nations in Montana, South Dakota, and Nebraska. It also endangers the Ogallala Aquifer, which supplies water for Native and non-Native users’ residential and agricultural needs on the High Plains in eight states.

“The land, water, tribal sovereignty, and governmental services were not ‘given’ to us in those treaties,” President Kindle said. “They were bargained for with the blood of our ancestors. We will not dishonor our relatives and unnecessarily endanger our health, safety, and wellbeing. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe will take any and all necessary steps, up to and including litigation, to protect our people, our land and water, and our cultural and historic resources.”

“As we have seen, spills from such projects can be catastrophic,” said NARF Staff Attorney Matt Campbell. “The Rosebud Sioux Tribe—just like South Dakota, Nebraska, and Montana—has a duty to protect the health and welfare

of its citizens. NARF will help the Tribe make sure it has considered all of its options for ensuring the safety of the Tribe’s citizens, territory, and resources.”

“This is their land, their water,” said NARF Staff Attorney Natalie Landreth. “They have laws protecting their water and those laws must be respected. Keystone XL will need permission from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, so this is not over.”

See the open letter from President Kindle for more information on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe’s position.
https://www.narf.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/rosebud-kindle-keystone.pdf

A History of the Keystone Pipeline
Map of Keystone Pipeline Route
Map by Meclee – Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0

The Keystone XL (KXL) Pipeline is the proposed Phase 4 of the Keystone Pipeline system, which already is online with a capacity to carry more than 500,000 barrels per day. The XL stands for “export limited.” If completed, KXL would add another 510,000 barrels of capacity.

Phase 1 of the Keystone Pipeline was permitted in March 2008. Phase 2 and 3 did not require Presidential Permits and were built over several years starting in 2010. Because it crosses the U.S.-Canada border, Phase 4 does require a Presidential Permit; however, it has been met with opposition since its initial proposal. A timeline of the Keystone Pipeline project is below.

1851, 1855, 1868
Tribes and the United States government sign Treaties of Fort Laramie establishing respective territories.

2005
February: TransCanada Corporation proposes the Keystone Pipeline project.

2007
September: Canada’s National Energy Board approves the Canadian section.

2008
January: ConocoPhillips acquires a 50% stake in the project.

March: The U.S. Department of State issues a Presidential Permit authorizing Keystone facilities at the U.S.-Canada border.

September: TransCanada and ConocoPhillips file an application for the Keystone XL Phase 4 extension.

2009
Pipeline representatives start visiting landowners potentially affected by Keystone XL. Opposition emerges in Nebraska.

June: TransCanada announces it will buy ConocoPhillips’ stake in Keystone.

2010
March: Canada’s National Energy Board approves the Canadian section of the Keystone XL.

June: Phase 1 of the Keystone Pipeline goes online. It runs from Hardisty, Alberta, to Patoka, Illinois.

June-July: Increased opposition to Keystone XL includes legislators and scientists speaking out against the project; the Environmental Protection Agency questions the need for the pipeline extension.

July: The State Department extends its review of Keystone, saying they need more time for review before a final environmental impact assessment can be released.

2011
February : The Keystone-Cushing Phase 2 of the pipeline goes online. It connects Steele City, Nebraska, to Cushing, Oklahoma.

August: The State Department releases its final environmental assessment that the pipeline would have a limited environmental impact.

August-September: Keystone XL protesters organize two weeks of civil disobedience at the White House. Police arrest approximately one thousand people.

December: U.S. legislators pass a bill with a provision saying President Barack Obama must make a decision on the pipeline’s future in the next 60 days.

2012
January: Obama rejects the Keystone Pipeline, saying the December bill did not allow enough time to review the new route. Obama says TransCanada is free to submit another application.

February: TransCanada announces it will build Phase 3 of the Keystone Pipeline as a separate project that is not subject to presidential permission, since it does not cross an international border.

April: TransCanada submits a new route to officials in Nebraska for approval.

May: TransCanada files a new application with the State Department for the northern part of Keystone XL.

2013
January: Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman approves the proposed route for Keystone XL, sending the project back to the State Department for review. Pipeline opponents file a lawsuit against the Nebraska government claiming the state law used to review the new route is unconstitutional.

2014
January: The Cushing MarketLink Phase 3a pipeline goes online. It connects Cushing, Oklahoma, to Port Arthur, Texas. Phase 3b is added later, connecting the pipeline from Port Arthur to Houston, Texas.

February: A Nebraska judge rules that the law that allowed the governor to approve Keystone XL over the objections of landowners was unconstitutional. Nebraska appeals.

April: The State Department suspends the regulatory process indefinitely, citing uncertainty about the court case in Nebraska.

November: TransCanada says the costs of Keystone XL have grown to US$8 billion from US$5.4 billion. Elections turn control of the U.S. Congress over to Republicans, who pledge to move forward on Keystone XL.

2015
January: The Nebraska Supreme Court narrowly strikes down the lower-court decision, ruling that the governor’s actions were constitutional. The U.S. Senate approves a bill to build Keystone XL.

February: Obama vetoes the bill.

November: The Obama administration rejects TransCanada’s application to build the Keystone XL pipeline.

2016
November: Trump elected president.

2017
January: Trump signs a presidential memorandum inviting TransCanada to resubmit their application for a Presidential Permit and directing the Secretary of State, Department of the Interior, and Department of the Army to fast-track the decision. He also signs an order requiring pipelines in the United States to be built with U.S. steel.

March: The Trump White House exempts the Keystone Pipeline from the requirement to use U.S. steel.

2018
September: The Rosebud Sioux Tribe and the Fort Belknap Indian Community, in coordination with their counsel, the Native American Rights Fund, on September 10, 2018, sued the Trump Administration in the U.S. District Court for the District of MT for numerous violations of the law in the Keystone XL pipeline permitting process."

onawah

2nd October 2018, 04:33

Scott Pruitt and Brett Kavanaugh Have Something in Common
From Environmental Working Group by Scott Faber, Vice President of Government Affairs
MONDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2018

( Beginning this post with the following comment from Autumn, which I wholeheartedly echo:

And those who are pro-Trump, understand that those who are not, are concerned about how this plays out, based partly on historic parallels. And they are not just worried for themselves, most are worried for the world, in general.

I will add that are A LOT of hyperlinks in this article (I've included just a FEW) offering well-documented proof of all assertions, particularly Pruitt's and Kavanaugh's voting records, as you will see if you go to the links.)

"It’s not just that they both believe that the Environmental Protection Agency lacks the power to regulate greenhouse gases. Or that the EPA lacks the power to regulate air pollution that starts in one state and ends in another. Or that EPA can ignore the “co-benefits” of regulating mercury pollution from coal plants. Or even that both think it’s just fine to dump mine waste into streams.

It’s that they both lied about their environmental records when seeking Senate confirmation.

Pruitt, the infamous former EPA administrator forced in July to resign by multiple scandals, lied over and over again to the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. He lied about everything from his efforts to weaken Illinois River water quality standards to his role in an Oklahoma egg farm. He even lied about whether or not he had weighed in on mercury pollution regulations. He said he had not, but two filings bore his name. Pruitt’s lies were so bold, EWG asked the Department of Justice to investigate. https://cdn.ewg.org/sites/default/files/u352/Letter%20to%20DoJ%20on%20Scott%20Pruitt.docx_.pdf?_ga=2.197608943.1740285350.1538363000-1754496206.1485979205

Brett Kavanaugh’s lies to the Senate Judiciary Committee, during hearings on his Supreme Court nomination, are even bolder.

Kavanaugh testified that as a federal appeals court judge he ruled for the environment in “many” cases. The truth is that in 16 out of 18 cases he ruled for more air and water pollution, and in 17 out of 18 cases he ruled for less protection for endangered species.

Kavanaugh ruled that it’s OK for factory farms to pollute the air of their neighbors and that it’s OK to dump hazardous waste. When Pruitt sought to delay rules to reduce methane emissions, Kavanaugh sided with polluters. When the EPA sought to replace fluorinated chemicals known as HFCs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Kavanaugh complained that the proposed rule pulled the rug out from under polluters – even though replacement chemicals are readily available.
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/lissa-lynch/hfc-phasedown-good-climate-and-good-business

In fact, few judges have as consistently ruled for polluters and against public health. But when asked about his environmental record, Kavanaugh told the Judiciary Committee that he had ruled in favor of the environment in a “large number” of cases.
https://www.ewg.org/news-and-analysis/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-good-news-polluters-bad-news-public-health#.W7LyeWhKgdW
In particular, Kavanaugh cited a case related to air emissions from cement plants. In reality, Kavanaugh ruled against cleaner air in the case.

A lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council, who represented environmental groups in that case, said Kavanaugh not only ruled for more air pollution from cement plants. He also set a dangerous precedent by ruling that the federal Clean Air Act did not include an important “anti-backsliding” provision.
https://twitter.com/jwalkenrdc/status/1037473563962486789
The other cases Kavanaugh cited were decided on procedural, not substantive, matters. Though he once ruled that a case challenging climate rules was premature, he has since repeatedly ruled that EPA lacks the legal authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

Kavanaugh’s penchant for lying before the Senate is not limited to his record on the environment.

It also seems clear that he lied to the Senate about his roles, during his time in the George W. Bush administration, that he played in the judicial nominations of William Pryor and William Pickering, in the warrantless wiretapping program and in the detainee program.

He also misled the Senate about his role in the Starr investigation of President Clinton. His testimony last week was also filled with misleading statements.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-fact-check.html
An editorial in The Boston Globe put it bluntly: “Brett Kavanaugh’s a liar. He lies about little things. He lies about big things. He lies under oath.”

That may not matter to President Trump, who The Washington Post says has made “more than 5,000 false or misleading claims.” But it matters to the American people, and it should matter to the senators whose vote could put him on the Supreme Court."

Ratszinger

2nd October 2018, 09:05

ichingcarpenter

2nd October 2018, 14:39

There are counter arguments to every topic you brought up that you conveniently left out here. EPA has a report one way or the other for every topic they are involved in depending on which side funded it. The tit for tat never ends and it's always like this. If they can't find big things to pick on for their opposition candidate to make them look bad or like a liar they immediately seek out all number of little things they can add up to create a new case to use to stall things further. Its just another angle of an old attack method used successfully by the old guard and people are growing quite sick of it personally. Show me a report that says one thing you can find a report that turns that right around to paint a completely different picture to present to the public.

OK......... show me your data that Trump is good for the environment vs your opinion.......tell me about his asbestos policies

Mod note from Bill: I repaired the quote, showing that it came from Ratszinger above, and wasn't just your own words, which the formatting of the post made it seem like. Please don't hesitate for a moment to ask for any guidance about quoting (which is often important for clarity!). A fairly clear guide is in the FAQs, here:

How do I quote what another member has written? (http://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#4)

onawah

2nd October 2018, 16:13

Exactly my point! :nod:

I love how in the last line we try to make Trump unique! He is not a unique liar. Clinton, Obama, heck every candidate that ever got up there in front of us to run for office trying to get our vote lied to us.

onawah

2nd October 2018, 16:59

Trump's new NAFTA deal would prolong his polluting legacy
From the Sierra Club
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2018/10/trump-s-climate-denying-nafta-proposal-would-perpetuate-outsourcing-pollution
"Today, the Trump administration released the text of the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement. The administration has notified Congress of Trump’s intent to sign the proposed deal later this year, setting the stage for a potential fight over the deal in the next Congress. The U.S.-Mexico-Canada deal includes weak environmental terms that have historically enabled outsourcing of pollution and jobs, fails to make any mention of climate change, and includes special handouts to oil and gas corporations.

In response, Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune released the following statement:

“Donald Trump’s incoherent trade policy has produced a pro-polluter proposal that would perpetuate NAFTA’s damage to our communities. Trump’s version of NAFTA would encourage further outsourcing of pollution and jobs, offer special handouts to corporate polluters like Chevron and ExxonMobil, and cement Trump’s polluting legacy for years after he has left office. The proposal not only fails to mention climate change – it would prolong NAFTA’s contribution to the climate crisis. The proposal as a whole falls far short of the minimum changes that are essential to halt NAFTA’s threats to our air, water, and climate. If this proposal -- hastily sealed to score political points -- remains as is, the Sierra Club will vigorously oppose it, while continuing to fight for a genuine replacement of NAFTA that puts people and the planet first.”

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An Environmental Audit of Trump’s NAFTA Deal

During the NAFTA negotiations, leading U.S. environmental groups outlined minimum changes that must be made to NAFTA to halt the deal’s environmental damage. See here for these minimum environmental criteria.

A review of the text of the U.S.-Mexico-Canada deal reveals that it falls far short of these baseline criteria and would pose significant threats to our air, water, and climate. In short, the deal:

Supports further outsourcing of toxic pollution and jobs: The deal’s lack of binding environmental standards would allow more corporations to evade U.S. environmental policies by shifting jobs and toxic pollution to Mexico, where environmental policies are weaker. For example, the lack of any binding lead pollution standards means that corporations would still enjoy NAFTA’s incentives to dump their lead waste in Mexico, which has contributed to job loss in the U.S. and toxic lead poisoning in border communities.

Denies climate change: The deal fails to even mention climate change. This denialism leaves intact NAFTA’s incentives for corporations to dodge the hard-fought clean energy policies of U.S. states by moving to Mexico, eliminating jobs and perpetuating climate pollution. This climate loophole only reinforces the U.S.’s status as the world’s largest outsourcer of climate pollution.

Rolls back the environmental standards of past trade deals: The deal takes a significant step backwards from the environmental protections included in the last four U.S. trade deals by failing to reinforce a standard set of seven Multilateral Environmental Agreements (MEAs) that protect everything from wetlands to sea turtles. The deal includes standard enforcement language for only one of the seven MEAs, while using weak language for two MEAs and failing to even mention four of these essential environmental agreements.

Includes weak environmental terms: The environment chapter is primarily filled with non-binding terms that mirror the weak words of the polluter-friendly Trans-Pacific Partnership. For example, the text “recognizes that air pollution is a serious threat to public health,” but then fails to include a single binding rule to reduce the air pollution that NAFTA has exacerbated. Much of the language appears designed to greenwash the deal, not to rectify NAFTA’s threats to wildlife, ecosystems, or clean air and water.

Copies a failed enforcement system: Even the strongest language will only be effective if enforced. The deal essentially replicates the same failed environmental enforcement mechanism from past U.S. trade agreements. Not once has the U.S. used this mechanism in past trade deals to bring a case against a U.S. trade partner for environmental abuses, despite widely documented violations.

Offers a dangerous handout to Chevron and ExxonMobil: The deal makes progress in curtailing the overreaching corporate rights in NAFTA’s “investor-state dispute settlement” (ISDS) system...but then uniquely offers those egregious rights to notorious corporate polluters. This special handout is available to all U.S. oil and gas corporations that have, or may at some point have, government contracts for offshore drilling, fracking, oil and gas pipelines, refineries, or other polluting activities in Mexico. That means, for example, that Chevron and ExxonMobil – the two largest corporate climate polluters in history and repeat users of ISDS – would be allowed to challenge environmental protections in Mexico by relying on the same broad corporate rights that they have used to successfully challenge public interest policies from Ecuador to Canada.

Encourages fracking: The deal preserves a NAFTA rule that effectively bars the U.S. government from determining whether gas exports to Mexico are in the public interest. This automatic gas export guarantee facilitates increased fracking in the U.S., expansion of cross-border gas pipelines, and growing dependency on climate-polluting gas in Mexico.

Offers corporate polluters a new way to weaken environmental policies: The deal’s “good regulatory practices” rules could give corporate polluters a new way to delay, weaken, or halt new environmental regulations. The rules offer corporations extra opportunities to challenge proposed regulations before they are finalized, and to ask that existing regulations be repealed. These deregulatory rules could make it harder to reverse the Trump administration’s environmental rollbacks once Trump leaves office, which could extend his polluting legacy for years."

onawah

2nd October 2018, 20:31

Methane poses a grave danger to our planet
(From NRDC's updates, today. From what I have gathered, carbon dioxide as a threat is a non-issue, but methane and other pollutants from the oil and gas industries are another matter.)

"While climate leaders gathered at the Global Climate Action Summit last month, President Trump announced yet another climate-wrecking rollback that poses catastrophic consequences for the fight against climate change.

Trump and Acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler are proposing to weaken the common-sense Waste Prevention Rule that stops the oil and gas industry from unnecessarily leaking massive amounts of potent, climate-warming methane gas and other toxic pollution.

Methane is the second-biggest driver of climate change after carbon dioxide, trapping more than 80 times as much heat in the atmosphere, pound-for-pound, as CO2. And the oil and gas industry is the largest industrial source of methane emissions.

Trump's attempt to weaken these methane protections is a blatant giveaway to his fossil fuel allies at the expense of the American people, our clean air, our health, and the future of our planet.

The EPA is accepting public comments on this dangerous rollback, so we need your help to flood the agency's inbox with letters of public opposition.

Stand with NRDC and urge the EPA to reject Trump's reckless rollback of important protections to prevent wasteful leaks of climate-warming methane gas.

Take action: https://act.nrdc.org/letter/methane-181002?akid=s254563..gk5RwD

Trump and his allies first proposed rolling back methane standards for new oil and gas operations back in March 2017. But NRDC and our partner groups sued in court, arguing that the rollback was a violation of the Clean Air Act, and won.

NRDC will do everything in our power to stop this brazen attack on our climate — including fighting back in court again if we must. But we also need to mobilize massive public opposition to this dangerous and callous move.

Oil and gas operations are incredibly wasteful, leaking millions of tons of methane and burning off vast amounts of natural gas each year. Under Trump's proposed rollback, the EPA estimates that 380,000 tons more methane will be released into the air annually— the equivalent of the yearly climate pollution of more than 2.6 million cars.

Toxic air pollutants released alongside methane can also trigger asthma attacks and increase cancer risks for those nearby. Weakening these standards will increase health risks for neighboring communities that depend on those protections to keep the air they breathe clean.

Join us in urging the EPA to reject Trump and Wheeler's disastrous plan to dismantle the Waste Prevention Rule, which regulates methane emissions, at the expense of our public health, clean air, and climate.

Americans overwhelmingly support federal efforts to cut methane pollution. Even fossil fuel companies have acknowledged that they can live with and operate around these common-sense regulations.

This attack on clean air is, of course, just one in a growing onslaught of efforts by Trump and his allies in Congress to roll back critical climate protections introduced under the Obama administration — including the landmark Clean Power Plan and lifesaving clean car standards — all for polluter profit.

NRDC is ready to fight back through whatever means are necessary. But for now, will you stand with us and call on the EPA to reject Trump's reckless oil and gas giveaway before it's too late?

Thanks for all that you do."

Sincerely,
Rhea Suh
President, NRDC

AutumnW

2nd October 2018, 20:45

I think we can all safely conclude that the reality is we have outsourced pollution to China and if industry returns to the U.S. we will get it back. There is a possibility that there is just enough of a regulatory structure remaining it could put the brakes on some of the excesses of trashing the environment.

Americans will be much less tolerant of what the Chinese have put up with too. That just might have an effect. Ever hopeful!

Merlinus

3rd October 2018, 16:06

Presidents are selected, not elected.” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt

This article will elaborate on the above quote

https://steemit.com/freedom/@tsbloyer/presidents-are-selected-not-elected

onawah

3rd October 2018, 19:01

War on children's health
White House Strikes Discussion of Impacts of Climate Change on Children’s Health from Draft EPA Rule
https://www.ewg.org/release/white-house-strikes-discussion-impacts-climate-change-children-s-health-draft-epa-rule#.W7ULHGhKgdU
OCTOBER 3, 2018

WASHINGTON – "The White House removed key language documenting the heightened risks climate change presents to children from a draft EPA proposal to repeal a rule to reduce heat-trapping chemicals leaking into the atmosphere, according to new documents first reported by E&E News.

The chemicals, known as hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, are used in refrigeration and air-conditioning appliances and are a significant contributor to the depletion of the ozone layer. President Obama, as part of his plan to combat global warming, issued a rule aimed at reducing the amount of HFCs released from appliances that use them as coolants.

Among the passages the Trump White House struck from the original rule from the Obama administration.

Certain populations and life stages, including children, the elderly and the poor, are most vulnerable to climate-related health effects.

Impacts to children are expected from heat waves, air pollution, infectious and waterborne illnesses, and mental health effects resulting from extreme weather events. In addition, children are among those especially susceptible to most allergic diseases, as well as health effects associated with heat waves, storms and floods.

“Every day we see more evidence that this administration is actively working against the health and safety of the most vulnerable Americans – our children,” said EWG President Ken Cook. “Tragically, it’s not an exaggeration to say that the Trump administration is waging a war on children.”

The report on the deleted language from the climate rule comes just days after the head of EPA’s Office of Children’s Health Protection was placed on administrative leave with no explanation, fueling speculation that the office itself is on the chopping block.

The EPA is also fighting a federal court ruling ordering the agency to ban of the pesticide chlorpyrifos, which can cause brain damage in children at even low doses. Former EPA chief Scott Pruitt, in one of his first major decisions as the agency’s administrator, vacated an expected ban of the pesticide just weeks after meeting with the head of Dow Chemical, which manufactures the chemical.

“E&E’s scoop is a chilling reminder that for all of this administration’s anti-science, anti-kids’ health acts we know about, there are others that remain hidden,” Cook said. “We are seeing rollbacks of public health and environmental protection that could take years to restore.” "

onawah

4th October 2018, 17:05

From Organic Consumers Assoc.
10/4/18
"ACTION ALERT
Wrong Choice
The Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) is an agency that operates under the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). Its mission statement is: Protecting the public’s health by ensuring the safety of meat, poultry and processed egg products.

You would think that the person in charge of an agency whose mission is to protect your right to safe food would be someone with an independent scientific background.

You’d think. But Trump has just tapped a scientist with a long history of looking out for the interests of corporations—like meat and pharmaceutical industry giants Cargill, Merck and Perdue—for the position of under secretary of the FSIS.

There’s already reason to suspect that the FSIS isn’t protecting your meat. A recent report by Consumer Reports raised questions about drug residue contamination in meat and poultry after its analysis of residue testing conducted by the FSIS revealed alarming levels of multiple drugs, including some that are strictly prohibited in meat production. Instead of shutting down offending meat producers and warning consumers about what the agency’s testing found, FSIS officials accused Consumer Reports of getting it wrong. But Consumer Reports stands by its work, as outlined in this letter to the USDA.
https://consumersunion.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Consumer-Reports-Letter-to-the-USDA-on-Drug-Residues-EMBARGOED-until-August-29th-6-AM-2018.pdf
The last thing we need are more industrial meat cheerleaders in charge of food safety."

TAKE ACTION: Tell your Senators: Don’t put a scientist-for-hire in charge of food safety!
https://advocacy.organicconsumers.org/page/7235/action/1

And this:
Knock, Knock, Knockin'
10/4/18
"Last week, staff from OCA and Citizens Regeneration Lobby (our 501(c)(4) lobbying arm) joined other groups in Washington, D.C. for a day of lobbying for better Farm Bill policies.

It was a day of knocking on doors, talking to members of Congress, pushing for policies that support the kind of farmers and farming that produce healthy, organic food, healthy local economies and a clean environment.

We saw glimmers of hope. But we have a long way to go before we get a Farm Bill that stops subsidizing industrial polluters, and starts promoting regenerative alternatives.

In a recent interview with the New York Times, farmer, author and activist Wendell Berry, quoting agricultural journalist Alan Guebert, said:

“Alan Guebert was right when he said in one of his columns that this farm bill will be much like the last one insofar as it will not address the real problems of agriculture. Those problems, as you know, are soil erosion, soil degradation, the pollution of waterways by sediment and toxic chemicals, various ecological damages, the elimination of small farms, the destruction of the cultures of husbandry and the ruin of country towns and communities. And maybe we should add specifically the curse of overproduction, which at present, as often before, is the major and the cruelest problem.”

Guebert paints a realistic picture of today’s industrial agribusiness model—and a pessimistic outlook for the future of the Farm Bill.

We can do better. But it will take more of us letting Congress know what we want when it comes to our food, our rural communities, our environment.

With your help, we’ll engage more farmers, more retailers and more consumers like you in efforts to convince Congress that the future of agriculture is regenerative.

Let’s keep knock, knock, knockin' on Congress' doors!"

onawah

4th October 2018, 18:57

The Arctic Refuge is in danger of seismic testing
Stand with the Arctic Refuge
The Wilderness Society
10/4/18

TAKE ACTION› https://p2a.co/To6t4Bs

"The Trump administration is trying to open the Arctic Refuge to drilling and now one company wants to take them up on their offer. SAExploration intends to conduct seismic testing for oil in the refuge. The testing would disturb denning polar bears and their cubs, and scar one of the last untouched wilderness areas in the U.S.

Tell SAExploration's CEO and leadership team that seismic testing would do irreparable harm to the Arctic Refuge.

Seismic testing requires destructive 90,000-lb “thumper trucks” that send shock waves into the ground. If that weren’t enough, vehicle caravans and weekly relocations of huge worker camps would damage the refuge’s fragile tundra.

Speak out for the Arctic Refuge's polar bears and other wildlife. Tell SAExploration's CEO and leadership team NOT to conduct seismic testing in the Arctic Refuge."

onawah

5th October 2018, 17:48

EPA turns its back on children's health
From Pesticide Action Network
http://www.panna.org/blog/epa-turns-its-back-childrens-health?utm_source=blog&utm_medium=groundtruth&utm_campaign=gt-10-05&link_id=3&can_id=4870e31ee9d2b4c95e94bdd1b8471b48&email_referrer=email_430002&email_subject=epa-fails-to-protect-kids-climate-change-solutions-farmer-justice
10/5/18

"Well if it wasn’t clear before, it’s crystal clear now. This administration’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) isn’t protecting children.

Yes, that’s a harsh charge. And yes, EPA officials are denying it, loudly protesting that children’s health remains a top priority. But the agency’s recent actions very clearly indicate otherwise.

What brain-harming pesticide?
Last week, the administration appealed a recent court decision ordering EPA to (finally!) ban chlorpyrifos. In response to a legal challenge by PAN and our allies, the judges gave agency officials 60 days to ban this brain-harming pesticide.

It’s true that federal agencies don’t usually move that quickly — but in this case it was entirely doable, since all the paperwork is already done. EPA was poised to ban chlorpyrifos in March 2017, in response to a legal petition we filed with partners back in 2007.

Enter Administrator Scott Pruitt (since resigned in disgrace), who decided to do Dow Chemical’s bidding and put the brakes on banning their product. He didn’t, however, bother to provide any evidence refuting the findings from EPA’s own scientists that the pesticide was too dangerous for children, and should be withdrawn.

Hence our most recent legal challenge. It turns out our public agencies aren’t allowed to make decisions on a whim. We’re confident that the court will hold firm on their decision that EPA should, in fact, do their job and ban chlorpyrifos.

What children’s health expert?
Then came the news that the head of EPA’s small but mighty Office of Children’s Health Protection (OCHP) was asked to turn in her badge. Dr. Ruth Etzel, a respected epidemiologist and pediatrician, was put on “administrative leave” with no explanation.

OCHP had been increasingly sidelined under this administration as they tried to do their work of ensuring children’s unique vulnerabilities were considered by every office across the agency.

It looks like Dr. Etzel’s departure signals further marginalization — or dismantling? — of the office, which was established in 1997. Outraged children’s health advocates across the country are raising a ruckus. The American Academy of Pediatrics delivered a letter to Acting Administrator Wheeler calling for Dr. Etzel’s reinstatement, with more than 130 groups (including PAN) signed on.

In an op-ed in the New York Times earlier this week, Dr. Philip Landrigan and Dr. Lynn Goldman sounded the alarm about the dangers of losing this office that advocates for children’s health within the agency: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/opinion/chemicals-epa-children-health.html (that article is copied below)

It is a small but highly effective program that protects the health of all Americans by protecting the most vulnerable among us. Dismantling it could do irreparable harm.

So those official statements that children’s health remains a “top priority” for EPA? We don’t think so."

ACT NOW! URGE EPA TO BAN CHLORPYRIFOS
http://www.panna.org/take-action/epa-chlorpyrifos-ban-overdue

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/opinion/chemicals-epa-children-health.html
A Bad Move That Could End Up Exposing Kids to Chemicals
Without explaining why, the E.P.A. has sidelined its top children’s health advocate.

Oct. 2, 2018
By Philip J. Landrigan and Lynn R. Goldman
Dr. Landrigan and Dr. Goldman are physicians long involved in public health policy.

"Last week, the leadership of the Environmental Protection Agency took aim at its own Office of Children’s Health Protection by placing its director, Dr. Ruth Etzel, a distinguished pediatrician and epidemiologist, on “administrative leave.”

At first glance, the action might look like mere bureaucratic shuffling, though the agency, while saying she was not facing disciplinary action, offered no explanation for the move.

But we worry that it signals one of two actions: closing the office, which has argued for tougher regulations on industrial pollutants, or minimizing its role in rule-making. For its part, the E.P.A. says children’s health programs are not in jeopardy. But there is no question that if Dr. Etzel is pushed aside, the chemical industry will benefit and America’s children will be harmed.

In 1993, the National Academy of Sciences reported that children and especially infants in the womb are profoundly different from adults in how they are harmed by exposure to pesticides and other chemicals. The academy’s Committee on Pesticides in the Diets of Infants and Children, of which one of us (Dr. Landrigan) was chairman, concluded that children are not merely little adults. They are uniquely sensitive and keeping them healthy requires special protections.

Exposure to even low levels of toxic chemicals during pregnancy and in the first years after birth can damage children’s brains and other developing organs, leading to increased risk of learning disabilities, A.D.H.D., dyslexia, autism and breathing and reproductive problems. Laws and regulations aimed at protecting adult health do not protect children. The academy committee urged that federal pesticide law be fundamentally restructured to shield infants in the womb and young children from chemical harm.

Since then, Congress has passed two laws that contain explicit provisions protecting children’s health. One of them, the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996, directed the E.P.A. to impose a child-protective safety benchmark in setting standards for pesticides used on food crops, a requirement that has reduced pesticide applications and led to the banning of several highly toxic chemicals.

The safeguards for children’s health embedded in these laws are much needed in the United States today. Air pollution remains a problem and will worsen if the Trump administration succeeds in increasing coal combustion and relaxing vehicle emission standards. More than 80,000 chemicals are being used in food packaging, clothing, building materials, furniture, carpets, cleaning products, cosmetics, toys and baby bottles. They are also widespread in the environment. Among children aged 1 to 5, for instance, some 500,000 are estimated to have elevated levels of lead in their blood.

Exposure to chemicals is linked to a wide array of pediatric diseases. Lead and mercury can cause brain damage with loss of intelligence. Polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, are linked to reductions in children’s intelligence and alterations in behavior. Baby boys exposed in the womb to phthalates, a chemical used in plastics, are at risk of birth defects in their reproductive organs and behavioral abnormalities. Prenatal exposure to brominated flame retardants, used in electronics and furniture, is linked to I.Q. reduction and shortening of attention span.

Prenatal exposure to the insecticide chlorpyrifos is associated with reduced head circumference at birth, developmental delays and cognitive impairments. The regulatory story of this chemical is particularly instructive about the E.P.A. under President Trump. Last year, Scott Pruitt, the agency’s administrator at the time, declined to remove chlorpyrifos from the market despite the recommendation of the agency’s own scientists, based on health studies that suggested it was harming children. In August, a federal appeals court ordered the agency to ban the chemical.

To shield children from these hazards, the E.P.A. formed the Office of Children’s Health Protection in 1997, a year after passage of the Food Quality Protection Act. For more than two decades this office has played an outsize role in safeguarding children’s health. It has worked with teachers and school boards to improve air quality in schools. It helped push the E.P.A. to strengthen risk assessments for carcinogens. It educates pediatricians, obstetricians and parents about how to reduce infants’ chemical exposure.

It has also insisted that the E.P.A.’s plan for enforcing the 2016 Lautenberg Chemical Safety Act protect children’s health. That law requires, among its other mandates, a risk-based review of all chemicals in commerce. In recent months, the office has played a critical role in trying to protect children from atmospheric mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants as the Trump administration reconsiders an Obama-era rule regulating those discharges.

The Office of Children’s Health Protection plays a vital role in safeguarding America’s children — born and unborn — against toxic environmental hazards. It is a small but highly effective program that protects the health of all Americans by protecting the most vulnerable among us. Dismantling it could do irreparable harm."

Philip J. Landrigan is the director of the Global Public Health Initiative at Boston College. Lynn R. Goldman is the dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University and a former assistant administrator at the E.P.A. for toxic substances.

onawah

5th October 2018, 20:14

Russian Asbestos Giant Praises Trump Administration Actions to Keep Deadly Carcinogen Legal
https://www.ewg.org/release/russian-asbestos-giant-praises-trump-administration-actions-keep-deadly-carcinogen-legal?utm_campaign=Social+Traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1531253457#.W7fBxmhKgdX
(I wonder if Russia is taking a sarcastic jab at Trump, but thanks to them at least for pointing out one more instance of the Trump Admin being short-sighted, penny wise, pound foolish, and putting profits before the common good. How many billions have been spent on removing asbestos from buildings, and how many have suffered from asbestosis? Some staggering statistics here: "Another thing Canada and the U.S. have in common is something neither is proud of. They still allow the use of asbestos, which costs each country billions of dollars each year in asbestos-related occupational disease. According to the Globe and Mail, “the economic burden of lung cancer and mesothelioma from work-related asbestos exposure in Canada amounts to an average of $818,000 per case.” That’s around $1.7 billion per year and the Globe notes that this is likely an underestimate. Other sources, such as the medical journal Occupational and Environmental Medicine, estimate the annual cost at $2.35 billion. For a country of close to 37 million people, the economic burden is more than taxing." From https://www.mesotheliomagroup.com/09-25-17-asbestos-costs.html ) And that doesn't take into consideration the billions more spent on removing it from old buildings and disposing of it safely.

"WEDNESDAY, JULY 11, 2018

WASHINGTON – One of the world’s biggest producers of asbestos, a Russian company with ties to Vladimir Putin, is praising President Trump for allowing asbestos to remain legal in the U.S.

The company’s applause for Trump comes as Russia is poised to become the leading importer to the U.S. of asbestos, which causes diseases that kill an estimated 15,000 Americans a year. A recent study led by Jukka Takala, president of the International Commission on Occupational Health, found the death toll from asbestos exposure may be much higher, at nearly 40,000 Americans a year and more than 255,000 a year worldwide.

On June 25, the asbestos producer Uralasbest posted photos on its Facebook page of pallets of its signature product, chrysotile asbestos, wrapped in plastic adorned with Trump’s image. Trump’s picture is at the center of a large red seal declaring: “APPROVED BY DONALD TRUMP, 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.”
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In an English translation of the post, Uralasbest said:

Donald is on our side! … He supported the head of the United States Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, who stated that his agency would no longer deal with negative effects potentially derived from products containing asbestos. Donald Trump supported a specialist and called asbestos “100% safe after application."

Pruitt resigned as EPA administrator last week, after an 18-month tenure marred by ethical scandals, profligate spending of taxpayer dollars and aggressive attempts to roll back public health protections. One of his last decisions was to exclude so-called legacy uses of asbestos from the scope of an ongoing safety assessment. He also declined to ban new uses of asbestos. The Obama administration had designated asbestos a priority for a new safety assessment under the nation’s new toxic chemicals law.

Trump has long rejected the scientific consensus that asbestos is so dangerous that there is no safe level of exposure. In his 1997 book, “The Art of the Comeback,” the future president claimed asbestos is “100 percent safe, once applied.” In 2012, he tweeted that if asbestos had not been removed from the World Trade Center, the twin towers “would never have burned down” in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Not to be outdone in showering adoration on Trump, Kostanai Minerals, the largest chrysotile asbestos producer in neighboring Kazakhstan, shared the post on its own Facebook page.

Uralasbest claims its asbestos mine in the Ural Mountains city of Asbest is the largest in the world. According to an investigation by the Center for Public Integrity, in 2010, Putin met with the head of the Uralasbest workers union, who said he “promised to support Russian producers of chrysotile, especially in situations where we find ourselves under political pressure at the international level.” The Center also reported that Kostanai Minerals has received financial backing from state-controlled banks in both Russia and Kazakhstan.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey, in 2016, roughly 95 percent of the asbestos imported into the U.S. came from Brazil, with the rest coming from Russia. The Commerce Department and the U.S. International Trade Commission estimate that 705 metric tons of asbestos came into the U.S. in 2016, compared to 343 metric tons the year before.

But in November, Brazil joined more than 60 other nations and banned asbestos. Brazil’s ban leaves Russia, Kazakhstan and China as the world’s dominant asbestos producers. With Brazil no longer providing the vast majority of asbestos to the U.S., Russia and Kazakhstan could fill the void.

“Vladimir Putin and Russia’s asbestos industry stand to prosper mightily as a result of the Trump Administration’s failure to ban asbestos in the U.S.,” said EWG President Ken Cook. “Helping Putin and Russian oligarchs amass fortunes by selling a product that kills thousands each year should never be the role of a U.S. president or the EPA, but this is the Trump administration. Russia’s interests are Trump’s interests, and any clear-eyed American knows it.”

“By allowing asbestos to remain legal, the Trump administration would be responsible for a flood of asbestos imports from Russia and other countries into the U.S., as well as the wave of illnesses and deaths that will continue for years to come,” said Linda Reinstein, co-founder and president of the Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization. “Americans know Putin does not have their interests at heart, but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that neither does Trump.”

Trump and Putin are scheduled to hold a one-on-one summit in Helsinki, Finland, on July 16. The agenda for the meeting has not been made public, but it is safe to assume talks over trade between the two countries could be part of the discussion."
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onawah

12th October 2018, 04:08

During Kavanaugh Craziness, News About DeVos Gets Lost
From: Education Opportunity Network
10/11/18
http://educationopportunitynetwork.org/during-kavanaugh-craziness-news-about-devos-gets-lost/?link_id=2&can_id=4870e31ee9d2b4c95e94bdd1b8471b48&source=email-during-kavanaugh-craziness-news-about-devos-gets-lost&email_referrer=email_433859&email_subject=during-kavanaugh-craziness-news-about-devos-gets-lost
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U.S. President Donald Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos make “U” symbols with their hands while posing with the Utah Skiing team as they greet members of Championship NCAA teams at the White House in Washington, U.S., November 17, 2017. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts

"While the serial outrages of the Trump administration continue to make headlines and whip up popular protests, there’s a danger that the more mundane activities of his cabinet officials and their underlings are being ignored.

Take US Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, for instance, whose nomination drew a history-making opposition and set off an avalanche of ridicule in social media and late-night comedy, but who now operates largely out of public view behind a security screen that is projected to cost the taxpayers nearly $8 million over the next year.

What’s largely being overlooked behind all the lurid headlines and endless insults are all the ways in which officials like DeVos are quietly at work continuing to use our tax money to advance a deeply troubling agenda.

Doing the Koch Brothers’ Bidding

In her latest low-profile appearance, DeVos and her high-priced security detail paid a friendly visit to Koch Industries in Wichita, Kansas without telling local officials, the media, or any other public outlet. The purpose of her stopover was to meet with a select group of representatives of Youth Entrepreneurs, a Wichita-based non-profit group founded by Charles and Liz Koch.

Youth Entrepreneurs, according to an investigative report by the Huffington Post, provides high school curriculum designed to inculcate students in the blessings of unfettered capitalism and libertarian ideology. Among the teachings included in the program’s lesson plans and classroom materials are that “the minimum wage hurts workers and slows economic growth. Low taxes and less regulation allow people to prosper. Public assistance harms the poor. Government, in short, is the enemy of liberty.

“Charles Koch had a hands-on role in the design of the high school curriculum,” the reporter reveals, based on leaked emails from a Google group left open to the public. “The goal … was to turn young people into ‘liberty-advancing agents’ before they went to college, where they might learn ‘harmful’ liberal ideas.”

While the purpose of DeVos’s trip to Youth Entrepreneurs remains unclear, it fits a pattern of DeVos using her visits to select education programs in order to feed her propaganda campaign for market-based education reform and privatizing public schools.

Selling the Education ‘Reform’ Lie

Another recent trip brought the DeVos caravan to New Orleans to drop in on two charter schools – nearly all taxpayer-supported schools in New Orleans are charter schools – and praise the district for being “a great example of what can be if people embrace change.”

The schools were carefully selected to build her narrative of market-based reform, the ideology that remade New Orleans schools after the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina.

But as Louisiana-based public-school teacher Mercedes Schneider explains on her personal blog, the charter schools DeVos chose to visit are hardly representative of the conditions of New Orleans public schools under the reform regime.

First, both schools are among the few A-rated schools, based on state rankings, in a sea of D- and F-rated schools. Further, the two schools have much higher percentages of white students than is typical in a district that is overwhelmingly populated by black and brown students.

So what DeVos really illustrates by her visits to these New Orleans schools isn’t how reform produces what works but how reform creates “incredible racial inequity” Schneider correctly concludes.

Stoking the Charter School Industry

It’s important to note how the rhetoric DeVos employs in her propaganda campaign for market-based education reform gets reflected in the policy decisions made by her department.

As Politico reports, USDoE recently awarded $399 million in federal grants to expand and support charter schools across the country.

The grants, made through the Charter Schools Program, which has enjoyed a $40 million boost under the Trump administration, went to individual charter school operators and various state education agencies and nonprofit groups that either help secure funding for charters, push for their expansions, or advocate for the charter cause.

Even a cursory scan of some of the recipients warrants deeper scrutiny.

For instance, among three Alabama charter schools that received $1 million each in grant money, two have already been the subjects of multiple lawsuits.

Birmingham charter Legacy Prep – which recently changed its name, postponed its opening date, and has yet to find a building – just settled a messy court case with its founder – a Baptist church pastor – over who had authority over the school’s operations and whether the school’s governing board was properly constituted.

The court settlement follows closely after the Alabama Public Charter School Commission won its effort to overturn the Birmingham district school board’s original denial of the charter’s application. The district board had ruled last year that the school’s application did not meet the requirements of the district’s request for charter proposals.

So now, thanks to DeVos and her department, federal funds are going to a charter school under suspect leadership, with no building, that the district doesn’t want.

Similarly, another Alabama charter with a million dollar grant, University Charter School in Livingston, had to hurdle a lawsuit to open its doors.

In May, the county board that oversees the district filed suit to prohibit the charter’s authorizer from operating the school in a former high school that the district sold to the authorizer with the specific condition not to open a charter school in the building.

Here again, federal dollars are funding a charter startup in a local community that does not want it. So much for DeVos’s promises to curb the “overreach” of the federal government in education.

Supporting Rightwing Cronies

Another charter school grant winner on the list that deserves a closer look is the American Heritage Academy in Idaho.

The school’s founder Frank Vandersloot is a conservative billionaire, with a net worth of $1.9 billion, who was a finance co-chair of Mitt Romney’s 2012 failed presidential campaign and has given money to Florida Republican US Senator Marco Rubio, former Republican presidential candidates Carly Fiorina, the Republican National Committee, and state Republican parties across the US, according to a report in Forbes.

Vandersloot made national headlines in 2015 when he sued Mother Jones magazine for defamation after the news outlet published an article detailing his efforts to oppose gay rights.

Vandersloot has hosted a closed door meeting with President Trump at the headquarters of his company, Melaleuca. The company – which sells diet, personal care, home cleaning, and cosmetic products – has been compared to Amway, the mega-company DeVos is heiress to, in that it employs a multi-level marketing strategy.

Vandersloot and DeVos are, in fact, connected through their participation in a multi-level marketing trade group that has been active in promoting legislation that attempts to limit the Federal Trade Commission’s ability to investigate and prosecute multi-level marketing scam operations.

All the Things We Don’t Know

None of this is to consider whether Vandersloot’s charter school, or any of the other charter school grantees, may or may not be worthy institutions, but shouldn’t taxpayers know more about why the school deserves our money?

Should we know, for instance, why grant money will go to a North Carolina charter, the Charlotte Lab School, that touts racial diversity in its mission, yet has a student population that is two-thirds white in a district where only 30 percent of the students are white?

Should we know more about why a federal grant is going to a Kansas City charter school, Scuola Vita Nuova Charter School, that is located at an Italian Cultural Center and had to pay $30,000 to former principal who filed lawsuit claiming the school’s founder made her fire her same-sex partner who also worked at the school?

Because of DeVos’s general lack of transparency, what we’re left with, instead of answers, are more questions and a well-founded suspicion that her purpose in office is to purloin as much public money as she can into the hands of private interests while justifying it as a much-needed reform.

Perhaps if there’s a Democratic majority in the US House of Representatives after the upcoming midterm elections, there will be inquiries to reveal the inner machinations of DeVos’s department. But in the meantime, she and her associates toil away behind a shroud of scary headlines, and that’s just the way they want it."

Deux Corbeaux

12th October 2018, 09:14

I hope this will not be too far off topic, as this issue originated from far before the Trump administration.....

But since onawah mentioned in post #613 (http://https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2018/10/12/c22385769ec47d924c4d03ae38c69312-full.png image upload) the "Charter School Industry", I was reminded of the Islamic influence many Charter Schools in the US are under.

There are more than 140 charter schools in the US affiliated with the Turkish preacher Fethullah Gulen.
Gülen left Turkey in the late 1990s and now directs his cult-like Islamic movement from a guarded compound in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.

Part of his empire consists of a thriving network of more than 140 charter schools in 26 states that sell themselves to parents as a secular and more academically rigorous alternative to public schools.

As the second largest chain of charter schools in the United States, Gülen schools rake in tens of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars every year.

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"MUSLIM IMAM RIPS-OFF U.S. CHARTER SCHOOLS"

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WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT THE SECOND LARGEST CHARTER SCHOOL COMPANY IN AMERICA, THAT HAS RECEIVED $2.1 BILLION IN TAXPAYER MONEY, IS RUN BY A KNOWN RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND IS PROTECTED BY HIS POWERFUL LOBBYING OF U.S. POLITICIANS?

WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP, HIZMET, HAS BEEN INDICTED AND CONVICTED OF MANY CRIMES AND YET STILL OPERATES AND LAUNDERS U. S. TAX DOLLARS TO TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS?

Hizmet is Fethullah Gulen’s educational cult that has made massive donations to U.S. politicians and has hijacked the U. S. charter school movement with his 167 “public” charter schools.

Here is a short list of crimes that Gulen’s Hizmet (FETO- Fethullahci Teror Orgutu) U. S. charter schools have been convicted of:

* Gulen charter schools in four states are under FBI probes for fraud, forgery of documents, unlawful profits and irregularities.

* Three charter schools in California, operating under the name Magnolia, could be shut down for bringing unqualified teachers from Turkey using temporary work visas.

* Magnolia schools also engaged in poor financial management and inconsistent and incorrect internal policies.

* Magnolia was accused of fraud and financial malfeasance worth over $18 million.

* Hizmet charged with fraudulent relations with the North American University, another alleged Hizmet institution.

* Concept Schools (Hizmet) fraudulently funneled $5 million from federal grants to Gulenists with which they had “close ties.”

* Money laundering and fraud.

* Failed yearly audits.

* Periodic insolvency.

* Excessive funds spent on immigration for unqualified male Turkish teachers.

* Misappropriation of public funds.

* Inappropriate commingling funds.

* Funneled public funds from schools to shell entities.

* Widespread abuse and fraud of the H1B visa program.

* Discrimination against non-Muslim students and families
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* Use of fake lotteries for enrollment.

* Segregating girls from boys and mandatory hijabs for all females.

* Loose internal controls.

* Cheating on standardized tests.

* Lying about student data concerning college attendance.

* Bullying Jewish and non-Muslim students.

* Discrimination against students with special needs

READ MORE [url]https://aim4truth.org/2018/07/01/muslim-imam-rips-off-u-s-charter-schools/ (https://imggmi.com)

onawah

15th October 2018, 02:45

Donald Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, and the Rule of Pampered Princelings
Naomi Klein
October 10 2018
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/10/donald-trump-inherited-wealth/

(Some obvious bias in this article, since left wing billionaires are not included in the targeting, but interesting in that it is claimed a good amount of research has gone into gathering evidence that Trump has lied about how much he inherited and how much he earned. Betsy Devos is mentioned at the end of this quote.)

“BORING.” That was Donald Trump’s instant verdict on the New York Times’s blockbuster investigation into the rampant tax fraud and nepotism that undergirds his fortune. Sarah Huckabee Sanders heartily concurred, informing the White House press corps that she refused to “go through every line of a very boring, 14,000-word story.”

Welcome to a new political PR strategy premised on the shredding of the American mind — you don’t want to even try to read that interminable article; check out my Twitter feed instead, and this viral video of me saying rabid things.

The Times investigation, published as a standalone supplement on Sunday, is about as boring as a car accident. It shows in lavish detail that Trump’s creation myth is and always has been a work of fiction. No, he did not take a “very, very small” million-dollar loan from his father and use his deal-making acumen to parlay it into a $10-billion global empire, while paying the original loan back with interest.

Trump has been sucking on a spigot of his father’s cash nonstop since he was in diapers, becoming a millionaire by middle school. According to the Times, when all was said and done, “Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.” Moreover, “much of it was never repaid.” As for the rest of the mythology, not only was he spending his father’s money, he blew much of it on disastrous deal after disastrous deal. Only to be bailed out by his father’s millions time and time again.

Rather than bothering to deny any of this, Trump and his surrogates have simply spun a new creation myth. No longer the scrappy, self-made man, Trump is being reincarnated in real time as the chosen son, with he and his father acting as partners in wealth creation. “One thing the article did get right,” Sanders said, clearly reading from notes, “is it showed that the president’s father actually had a great deal of confidence in him. In fact, the president brought his father into a lot of deals and made a lot of money together. So much so that his father went on to say that ‘everything [Trump] touched turned to gold.’”

This shift is more significant than it first appears. After a couple of years of hobnobbing with Saudi monarchs and Queen Elizabeth II, the president appears ready to embrace his true identity as a scion of a dynasty who did not build his fortune by himself, but who is, instead, the product of an especially blessed family that passes a magic touch through the generations.

What makes the Times’ revelations more important is that they are a rare window into an even larger story about the growing political and economic role of inherited money in the United States — the culmination of decades in which a handful of sons and daughters of bequeathed wealth waged a fierce and relentless battle of ideas against the very concept of equality and majority rule, all based on the same corrupting belief in their own inherent superiority.

Trump may be the highest profile of such heirs to wield political power, but he never would have gotten where he is without the ideological scaffolding carefully put in place by other scions of dynastic families — from the late John M. Olin and Richard Mellon Scaife in the ’80s and ’90s to Charles and David Koch and Rebekah Mercer today. These are the key figures who bankrolled the think tanks, financed the extreme free-market university programs, and funded the tea party shock troops that moved the Republican Party so far to the right that Trump could stomp in and grab it.

It was their project that created a fake consensus about the need for the radical deregulating of markets and dismantling of environmental protections, for lowering corporate taxes and eliminating the “death tax” — and paying for it all by dismantling so-called entitlements. It was an effort that always required harnessing the emotional power of racism (think “welfare queens”), as well as the parallel construction of a highly racialized system of mass incarceration to warehouse the poor (and profit from them, of course). The Trump presidency — never mind the economic populism he bellowed on the election trail— is the near-perfect embodiment of this agenda.

A great deal of excellent investigative journalism has gone into tracking the money behind this sprawling class war, most notably by Jane Mayer in her indispensable “Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right.” Mayer showed that though figures like the Kochs are highly ideological, the policies pushed by these wealthy families also happen to directly benefit their bottom lines. Laxer regulations, lower taxes, weaker unions, and unfettered access to international markets tend to do that.

Much less attention, however, has been paid to the implications of so much of this financing coming not just from unfathomably rich people, but people born that way. And yet it is striking that the figures at the dead center of this campaign were not Chicago school economists, nor were most of them self-made business leaders who had pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. They were, like Trump, pampered princelings whose fortunes had been handed to them by their parents.

The Koch brothers were raised in luxury and inherited Koch Industries from their father (who built his fortune constructing refineries under Stalin and Hitler). Scaife was an heir to the Gulf Oil, Alcoa Aluminum, and Mellon Banks fortunes and grew up in an estate so lavish it was populated with pet penguins. Olin took over his father’s weapons and chemicals company.

And so it goes, right down to Betsy DeVos, who was raised by billionaire Edgar Prince and married into the Amway fortune — and who has devoted her life to dismantling public education, now from inside the Trump administration. And let’s not forget Rupert Murdoch, who inherited a chain of newspapers from his father and is in the process of handing over his media empire to his sons. Or relative newcomer Rebekah Mercer, who has chipped off a chunk of her father Robert’s hedge fund fortune to bankroll Breitbart News, among other pet projects. In short, these people are Downton Abbey lords and masters, playacting as Ayn Rand heroes.

Of course, there are some self-made billionaires, like Sheldon Adelson, who have helped bankroll the revolution on the right. But when it comes to the battle of ideas — the careful investments in pro-business academic programs at elite universities, the extreme right-wing think tanks, the strident media outlets, and now the harnessing of big data and “machine learning” in Republican political campaigns — the role of inherited wealth cannot be overstated."

Much more at the link:https://theintercept.com/2018/10/10/donald-trump-inherited-wealth/

Flash

15th October 2018, 05:50

Deuc Corbeaux, your article on the Gulen schools is true. I would add that the Hizmit/Gulen group are a powerful religious business group in Turkey, quite strict in religious terms and quite devious in business (like many businesses). Here, secular has no place, with them, everything is religious, even their very successful businesses.

Yet nothing is straight with them. And in Some islamic interpretations of the Koran, you can lie, steal, fool your neighbour, misrepresent, all of this is part of the approved ways of doing the jihad (religious holy war) in foreign Territories.

Hervé

15th October 2018, 12:49

[...]
There are more than 140 charter schools in the US affiliated with the Turkish preacher Fethullah Gulen.
Gülen left Turkey in the late 1990s and now directs his cult-like Islamic movement from a guarded compound in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.

Part of his empire consists of a thriving network of more than 140 charter schools in 26 states that sell themselves to parents as a secular and more academically rigorous alternative to public schools.

[...]
Deuc Corbeaux, your article on the Gulen schools is true. I would add that the Hizmit/Gulen group are a powerful religious business group in Turkey, quite strict in religious terms and quite devious in business (like many businesses). Here, secular has no place, with them, everything is religious, even their very successful businesses.

Yet nothing is straight with them. And in Some islamic interpretations of the Koran, you can lie, steal, fool your neighbour, misrepresent, all of this is part of the approved ways of doing the jihad (religious holy war) in foreign Territories.
About Gulen and his other activities:

Re: Turkey shoots down Russian jet near Syrian border (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87016-Turkey-shoots-down-Russian-jet-near-Syrian-border&p=1023633&highlight=gulen#post1023633)
Re: Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Israel, Iran, Putin, and World War III (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=1028645&highlight=gulen#post1028645)
Re: Military coup in Turkey: 'coup attempt' by part of army fizzled (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91903-Military-coup-in-Turkey-coup-attempt-by-part-of-army-fizzled&p=1081970&highlight=gulen#post1081970)
Re: Military coup in Turkey: 'coup attempt' by part of army fizzled (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91903-Military-coup-in-Turkey-coup-attempt-by-part-of-army-fizzled&p=1083984&highlight=gulen#post1083984)
Re: Alleged FBI Insider Leaks All - Clinton Foundation Exposed - Involves Entire US Government (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91807-Alleged-FBI-Insider-Leaks-All-Clinton-Foundation-Exposed-Involves-Entire-US-Government&p=1089865&highlight=gulen#post1089865)

Deux Corbeaux

15th October 2018, 13:46

onawah

15th October 2018, 15:26

Good info re Gulen, but perhaps a new thread should be started. :focus:

onawah

16th October 2018, 19:38

Trump’s War on Children’s Health Escalates at Wheeler’s EPAFrom Environmental Working Group

(Whether or not Trump can be held personally responsible is not the point--the point is that his Admin is doing this, and it needs to be stopped.)

By Alex Formuzis, Sr VP Communications and Strategic Campaigns and Robert Coleman, Project Manager
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2018
https://www.ewg.org/news-and-analysis/2018/10/trump-s-war-children-s-health-escalates-wheeler-s-epa?utm_campaign=EWG+Content&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1539700611
"Under President Trump, the Environmental Protection Agency has repeatedly betrayed its responsibility to safeguard the health of children. But in recent weeks, the hostile actions of the president and Andrew Wheeler, the EPA’s acting administrator, have escalated into nothing less than a war on children’s health.

Since early summer, the White House and Wheeler have made a barrage of decisions that will directly harm the health of America’s children, including generations not yet born. Here are the ones we know about – keeping in mind that some only came to light because of journalists’ investigations:

Fighting to keep legal a nerve-agent pesticide that causes brain damage in kids

One of the first decisions of the Trump EPA was former chief Scott Pruitt’s scuttling of a scheduled ban of the highly toxic pesticide chlorpyrifos. The agency’s own scientists said it was dangerous to children even at very low levels. Exposure to chlorpyrifos disrupts the brain’s nervous system, causing tremors and diminished IQ levels in children.

The chemical agriculture and pesticide industries hailed the decision, but public health advocates, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, pleaded with the EPA to enact the ban as scheduled. On Aug. 10, a federal appeals court ruled that Pruitt’s decision violated federal law and ordered the EPA to ban chlorpyrifos within 60 days.

But Wheeler and Trump are fighting back. The EPA has refused to obey the court’s order. On Sept. 25, the Justice Department filed a petition on behalf of the agency, calling on the court to overturn its earlier ruling and leave chlorpyrifos legal.

Repealing the rule that reduces air pollution from neurotoxic mercury

On Sept. 30, The New York Times and The Washington Post detailed Wheeler’s scheme to repeal an Obama-era rule that has cut emissions of mercury and other heavy metals, such as lead and arsenic from coal-fired power plants, by 70 percent.

Mercury is a potent neurotoxin known to harm the nervous systems of children and fetuses. Mercury in the air settles in the ocean, where it is ingested by tuna and other fish. When people eat the fish, they also ingest mercury, which can be passed from mother to fetus in the womb.

Repealing the Clean Power Plan, which would have protected kids from respiratory disease

On Aug. 21, Wheeler released the Trump administration’s replacement for the Obama administration’s Clean Power Plan, which sought to significantly reduce dangerous, ozone-depleting pollution from power and petrochemical plants.

In 2015, the Obama EPA estimated that the Clean Power Plan could prevent between 1,500 to 3,600 premature deaths annually and 140,000 to 150,000 asthma attacks in children. Trump’s EPA later increased the estimated number of preventable premature deaths to 4,500 a year.

The proposed repeal would mean 36,000 premature deaths and more than 600,000 cases of childhood respiratory disease each decade, according to Harvard University experts on the human impact of public health policies.

Dismissing EPA’s top children’s health official

On Sept. 25, Wheeler abruptly and with no apparent reason placed the EPA’s top children’s health official on administrative leave. Dr. Ruth Etzel was made to hand in her badge, key and cellphone, and sent home.

A leader in children’s environmental health for 30 years, Etzel had been tapped in 2015 by President Obama to run the Office of Children’s Health Protection, whose stated goal is to “ensure that all EPA actions and programs address the unique vulnerabilities of children.” Her dismissal came amid rumors that the office she headed will be closed.

Sidelining Etzel is “the opening gambit in a plan by this administration to dismantle EPA’s Office of Children’s Health Protection,” said Dr. Philip J. Landrigan, one of the nation’s leading pediatric experts and the dean of global health and director of the Children’s Environmental Health Center at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.

Refusing to adopt health-protective standards for widespread drinking water contaminants

On June 20, the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, or ATSDR, released a study concluding that the “minimal risk level” for exposure to toxic fluorinated chemicals, known as PFAS, should be up to 10 times lower than the level recommended by the EPA.

Studies have linked the two most notorious PFAS chemicals, PFOA and PFOS, to reduced effectiveness of childhood vaccines, developmental defects and other serious health problems, including cancer. EWG estimates that PFAS chemicals may contaminate the drinking water of more than 100 million Americans.

The White House and the Pruitt EPA sought to block release of the ATSDR study, fearing a “public relations nightmare.” Since its release, a number of states have acted to set much lower legal limits or health advisories for PFOA, PFOS and some other PFAS chemicals.

But under Wheeler, the EPA has stuck with its previously recommended level for PFOA and PFOS, which is not legally enforceable, and has issued no health guidance on other PFAS chemicals.

Ignoring the impacts of climate change on children’s health

On Oct. 3, E&E News reported that the White House had removed key language documenting the heightened risks that climate change presents to children from a draft EPA proposal to repeal a rule to reduce heat-trapping chemicals leaking into the atmosphere. Among the passages struck from the original rule from the Obama administration:

Impacts to children are expected from heat waves, air pollution, infectious and waterborne illnesses, and mental health effects resulting from extreme weather events. In addition, children are among those especially susceptible to most allergic diseases, as well as health effects associated with heat waves, storms and floods.
Once a coal lobbyist, always a coal lobbyist

Wheeler’s actions came as no surprise. Before he was tapped to replace Scott Pruitt, who was forced to resign in disgrace, Wheeler was a top lobbyist for the coal industry. One of his clients was coal giant Murray Energy, which paid Wheeler and his firm more than $3 million to represent the company in Washington. Before his time as an advocate for the fossil fuel industry, Wheeler was a longtime top aide to Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., the leading climate change denier in Congress.

“In normal times, a zealous fossil fuel apologist and the top official in charge of protecting children’s health from pollution would be two separate people with conflicting agendas,” said EWG President Ken Cook. “But this is the Trump administration, where a former top coal lobbyist now runs the EPA.”

“At every step since taking over the agency, Wheeler has done the bidding of polluters and foiled efforts to safeguard children’s health,” said Cook. “When Wheeler’s time at EPA ends, more children will be exposed to dangerous pollutants, but Wheeler will no doubt return to the warm embrace of the fossil fuel industry, with an ‘atta boy’ for a job well done.” "

Franny

18th October 2018, 00:32

MAGA by killing off wolves, bears and their young.

http://www.environews.tv/040517-done-trump-signs-hjr-69-law-allowing-slaughter-alaskan-bear-cubs-wolf-pups/?fbclid=IwAR3wNPKo37H1AZOPbuuN-keBFvLlGCQ6gcB5FhOb7zf4zBYYRJA77gsVXgA

(EnviroNews Alaska) — Washington D.C. — On April 3, 2017, President Donald Trump signed House Joint Resolution 69 (HJR 69) into law. The legislation rescinds the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s (USFWS) 2016 Alaska National Wildlife Refuges Rule (Refuge Rule). The Refuge Rule was enacted to protect native carnivores on Alaska’s refuges from the state’s Board of Game (BOG) predator management program, which allows practices such as the killing of bears with cubs and wolves with pups, as well as the hunting of animals from aircraft, among other things.

As EnviroNews reported, the USFWS originally created the Refuge Rule in response to the notion that, “In recent years, concurrent with its adoption and implementation of [Intensive Management (IM)] plans for predation control areas, the BOG has also authorized measures under its general hunting and trapping regulations that potentially increase the take of predators to a degree that disrupts natural processes and wildlife interactions.” As part of its goal of maintaining moose, caribou and/or deer populations at set objective levels for human consumption, the BOG liberalized “hunting and trapping regulations for wolves and bears,” allowing controversial killing practices that wildlife advocates deem inhumane.

“What the Senate did today should outrage the conscience of every animal lover in America,” said Wayne Pacelle, President and CEO of The Humane Society, in a press release when the bill passed the Senate March 21. “The passage of this bill means that we’ll see wolf families killed at their dens, bears chased down by planes or suffering for hours in barbaric steel-jawed traps or snares.” He also mentioned “luring grizzly bears with food to get a point-blank kill,” as another technique that will return in the absence of the Refuge Rule.

HJR 69 is a Congressional Review Act resolution, which allows Congress to invalidate a federal regulation like the Refuge Rule within 60 legislative days of its taking effect. The issuing agency of the rejected rule, in this case the USFWS, cannot later issue a “substantially similar” rule.

“This bill is inhumane, unsportsmanlike and dangerous to Alaska’s ecosystems. I am strongly against [HJR 69],” said Representative Peter DeFazio (D-OR), when he argued against it on the House floor in February 2017. He explained the bill is unscientific and violates the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA), which ensures that national wildlife refuges “conserve species and habitats in their natural diversity.” Defenders of Wildlife also cited this Act, along with the National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act, as established legal opposition to HJR 69 in March, but to no avail.

Sign the petition to reject this bill
http://www.environews.tv/world-news/signable-petition-demands-zinke-reject-hjr-69-trumps-bear-cubwolf-pup-killing-bill/

A Voice from the Mountains

18th October 2018, 01:42

The legislation rescinds the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s (USFWS) 2016 Alaska National Wildlife Refuges Rule (Refuge Rule). The Refuge Rule was enacted to protect native carnivores on Alaska’s refuges from the state’s Board of Game (BOG) predator management program, which allows practices such as the killing of bears with cubs and wolves with pups, as well as the hunting of animals from aircraft, among other things.

How much you want to bet that the Board of Game's "predator management program" was itself the brainchild of environmentalists?

At one time there were no regulations on hunting at all in the United States, and many species nearly went extinct. When these game management agencies were set up, they reversed this trend. Anyone who has even marginally studied ecosystems knows how complex they are, and how easy it is to upset the balance between predators and prey.

It might seem counter-intuitive to those who aren't familiar with these programs, but the people issuing hunting licenses and all the rest are actually conserving the species they manage, not destroying them.

Many of the federal environmental policies have had more to do with indirectly influencing the economy than anything to do with the environment.

AutumnW

18th October 2018, 03:46

A voice from the Mountains,

Two words: regulatory capture

A Voice from the Mountains

18th October 2018, 04:44

That's exactly why the EPA was screwed up to begin with, along with the FDA and many other agencies.

Conservatives have been complaining for many years about the corruption and cronyism within these bureaucratic agencies. Gutting the regulations is one solution. I'd rather the federal agencies be abolished completely and all of these issues returned to the state governments, where they properly belong under the Constitution.

onawah

18th October 2018, 05:10

How about letting this thread stay on topic?

That's exactly why the EPA was screwed up to begin with, along with the FDA and many other agencies.

Conservatives have been complaining for many years about the corruption and cronyism within these bureaucratic agencies. Gutting the regulations is one solution. I'd rather the federal agencies be abolished completely and all of these issues returned to the state governments, where they properly belong under the Constitution.

A Voice from the Mountains

18th October 2018, 05:41

How about letting this thread stay on topic?

I guess the topic of this thread is restricted to Trump-bashing, right?

Well, I can give reasons why Trump is not the answer, too.

Trump is not the answer, because the compact between the states was never intended to take on such behemoth proportions, and the federal government should only concern itself with a very limited set of issues, all explicitly laid out in the Constitution. Out of what were intended to be sovereign states (ie sovereign countries), only very loosely united by contractual agreement for common defense and certain other purposes, we have instead become a single nation with ultimate power centralized in Washington, D.C., in the same way that the EU wants to centralize European power in Brussels.

My hope is that Trump ends up gutting a bunch of federal agencies and returning their responsibilities to the states, where they belong, but we'll see if that happens. After the US Department of Education was created in the 1970's, public education in the US went into the toilet. Reagan promised to shut down the Department of Education and return responsibility for education to state and local governments, but he never followed through. Trump also said he would return some things to the states, but how much, and when?

It's obvious that the socialists in California don't want their government run by conservatives, and Texans don't want their government run by socialists. So how do you solve that problem democratically without pissing half of the country off? How about we decentralize power back to the states and let them govern themselves, only using the federal framework that is explicitly laid out in the Constitution?

That might be the answer, as long as authoritarians (of either party) don't continue to insist on forcing their political will on the other half of the country. And the split is essentially urban vs. rural at this point, rather than state vs. state, so even the states may need to relinquish more responsibilities to city and county governments.

onawah

18th October 2018, 15:07

I've used this thread to bring some balance back to the forum when so many of the posts were pro-trump and pro-Q, that there wasn't enough discussion about anything else.
That's no longer the case thankfully.
I cannot speak for Autumn, who started this thread, but my take on it has been that the focus was not meant to be Trump bashing, although the idea that it was seems to have been the knee jerk reaction by most pro-Trump members.
Rather it's been pointing out that realistically, no POTUS is going to be able to do much good, given how much control has been usurped by TPTB.
Something which astute Avalon members have gone to great pains in researching and revealing on this forum for quite a few years now.
But also how some of the things that Trump IS doing or looks LIKELY to do will not be beneficial, and why.
Shutting down agencies that have usurped state's powers would be good--power has become much too centralized, obviously, but most likely what will happen is that there will be a huge void created first and protections will disappear altogether until and IF, the needed protections are FIRST instated at the state level.
Some of those protections are vital, such as keeping things like asbestos (which Trump is invested in) and deadly pesticides and herbicides out of the environment, and not nearly enough has been done about that already.
In the meantime, under Trump, it looks much more like more power is going to be given to corporations rather than states.

DNA

18th October 2018, 15:20

I've used this thread to bring some balance back to the forum when so many of the posts were pro-trump and pro-Q, that there wasn't enough discussion about anything else.
Indeed, this forum used to be a place where folks who were opposed to the new world order agendas could come and talk about what really mattered instead of constantly defending themselves from the sentimentalists who are emotionally manipulated minions defining themselves as the left.

Trump supporters have been banned from twitter, banned from facebook and have now watched their biggest media proponent Alex Jones be banned from ALL social media platforms, including youtube.

And still the left does not see the writing on the wall.

So you continue your Trump bashing and remember what side you were on when this country falls apart due to your best intentions.

onawah

18th October 2018, 15:51

As stated, I think "the focus was not meant to be Trump bashing, although the idea that it was seems to have been the knee jerk reaction by most pro-Trump members".
Do you think you can put your rage aside for awhile DNA and consider that one doesn't have to choose a side between left or right to be able to have a reasonable and rational view?
If the country is falling apart, it's been planned to happen way before Trump became POTUS, and those who planned it make for a much better target than those who have been taken in by the deception.
Don't you think that the division that you are currently feeding was created intentionally, as part of the plan to make the country fall apart?

[QUOTE=onawah;1254786]So you continue your Trump bashing and remember what side you were on when this country falls apart due to your best intentions.
update:See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91348-Ang-Stoic-Astrological-Reports&p=1254803&viewfull=1#post1254803

Joe Akulis

18th October 2018, 15:53

Scroll up. Look.

"Chronicles of the human awakening."

If you think of this and many other threads as chronicles, and maybe something of greater value looking backwards upon as history, then I definitely want all sides of an opinion, or an event, or an issue, represented.

"Remember what side you were on"??? Stop promoting division. I want ALL sides. Someone who comes here not knowing what to think about something is better served when there's no enforcement of an imprimatur on the material being posted, no?

So pipe down, I'm trying to read here. :-)

Much love to all on this thread,
Joe

Deux Corbeaux

18th October 2018, 16:17

Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

This will perhaps be a more constructive and creative thread, which will at least allow some discussion..

What Trump is and has been doing wrong, we have been bombarded with, all day, every day for two years now.

It´s the same in Europe, as CNN is our main US news channel and most of the time journalists are too lazy to inform themselves enough to give a balanced opinion.

Just an idea on a lazy afternoon.

onawah

18th October 2018, 16:33

I considered once that changing the title to "Trump is not THE Answer" might help to mollify Trump lovers, and since I do believe Trump is doing some good.
But it's up to Autumn and the Mods as to what the title should be.

Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

AutumnW

18th October 2018, 23:48

I think the original title works.

Franny

19th October 2018, 03:57

I was not Trump bashing in my post, but strongly disagreeing with the signing of that bill. BTW, I do not Trump bash in case anyone wonders.

Watch again what happened when wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone.

http://themetapicture.com/when-they-brought-these-wolves

THAT'S how you bring balance to wildlife, not killing them off in order to save them like that village in Vietnam. But killing wolves and bears from a helicopter, and other ways, is so much fun and brings so much joy to some people that it becomes a really good rationalization.

I don't think Trump hunts but he mentioned his sons do and they really love it. I've seen pictures of them with big happy smiles in Africa standing next to a large animal they killed from a long distance with a big gun.

I was once in the home of a wealthy guy that told me he had been lucky enough to travel and hunt in over 80 countries. He had well over 100 animal heads on his walls. He mentioned several were now extinct and said how fortunate he was to bag them before that.

Some people treat animals (and humans) like a commodity.

These are some of the things I think of when I see bills like this enacted. Others will have a different frame of reference.

onawah

19th October 2018, 04:31

EPA to Increase Your Exposure to Radiation and Mercury
BY ANH-USA ON OCTOBER 18, 2018 STOP POISONING OURSELVES
New proposals would expose us to more environmental pollutants. Action Alert!
http://www.anh-usa.org/epa-to-increase-your-exposure-to-radiation-and-mercury/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=aa4d039e-3ec4-4886-83f4-ac8c41a2864b
"It doesn’t take much of a scientific background to know that exposure to radiation is bad. Yet a new rule coming out of the EPA at the behest of crony interests will increase the amount of radiation we are exposed to. Another rule will increase the amount of mercury we’re exposed to. To protect our health, these rules must be opposed.

The first proposal would expose Americans to more radiation because it limits the studies that the EPA can use to determine what levels of exposure are safe—not just of radiation, but other environmental toxins as well. Experts have maintained there is no harmless dose of radiation. Yet one of the proponents of this rule, Edward Calabrese, a professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s School of Public Health, believes that exposure to low doses of radiation is beneficial! It is an extraordinary view that is contradicted by most experts. A leading radiation researcher, Dr. John William Gofman, provided evidence that medical radiation (CAT scans, CT scans, X-rays, etc.) is a necessary co-actor in about 75 percent of recent cases of breast cancer in the United States. (Note that MRIs—magnetic resonance imaging—are generally safer than CAT and CT scans, but can have their own dangers.) A 2007 study from Columbia University estimated that as much as 2 percent of all cancer in the US may be due to radiation from CT scans.

Who benefits from this rule? Hospitals. It is within the capacity of hospitals to use lower-dose radiation when performing CT scans. This can be done through programming computer algorithms into the software that runs the imaging equipment. Since this technology is recent, it is only compatible with newer machines, and there is little incentive for hospitals to replace CT scanners (which can cost up to $2 million) with more advanced models. In fact, the opposite is happening. Hospitals are increasingly buying lower-end CT scanners to keep costs down. And why not, when diagnostic imaging has become a $100 billion-a-year business? Better to simply change the rules so people can be exposed to more radiation than be bothered with patient safety.

Another proposal would expose Americans to more mercury, a potent neurotoxin and one of the most poisonous forms of air pollution. It would bar the EPA, when calculating the cost/benefit of a rule, from taking secondary benefits into account when conducting a cost/benefit analysis. The intent of the change is to provide legal justification to weaken mercury emissions rules. Recall that mercury in any form is toxic. Organic mercury readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and damages developing nervous tissue. Although mercury is first emitted into the air as a metal, it settles in the beds of waterways where it is converted by bacteria into methylmercury. Methylmercury accumulates in the bodies of fish and other wildlife. Pregnant women who eat contaminated fish put their fetuses at risk. Children are at the greatest risk, as exposure to methylmercury can impact cognitive thinking, memory, attention, language, motor skills, and spatial skills.

This is cronyism 101: special interests using the power of the federal government to change the rules in a way that benefits them while causing harm to everybody else. We cannot let them get away with it.

Action Alert! Write to Congress and the EPA opposing these two proposals. Please send your message immediately."
http://www.anh-usa.org/action-alert-tell-the-epa-to-protect-americans-from-radiation-and-mercury/

ichingcarpenter

19th October 2018, 04:38

Mr. voice from the mts..........

Please name all the conservatives that were against regulatory capture and the corruption it involves the destruction of the enviroment

Nixon a republican gave us the epa.... and fromthat time the rivers were dying because we didn't have it.
I've seen superfund sites and knew the people that lived there......... you are saying getting rid of it?

Use some sense.

onawah

19th October 2018, 14:47

On the contrary, on this forum for quite awhile we were inundated with every word that has come out of Q's mouth (assuming Q actually has a mouth and isn't some kind of AI), and all kinds of hope porn about the great things that Trump is doing and going to do once he gets reelected.
Anyone who made so much as a peep about how all that hope might be misplaced, or the reports inaccurate, was usually attacked, to the point of being silenced.
Anyone who wasn't on board the Trump train was presumed to be Left leaning by the pro-Trump enthusiasts.
Little tolerance was shown for anyone who was neither Right nor Left, but was instead looking at things from a broader perspective, without bias.
In the US, Fox News is predominantly pro-Trump, and has been gaining on CNN for quite some time in popularity (or so they claim).
I never saw this thread as being a call for putting the Democrats back in power, I saw it as a way to counterbalance all that with some realism.

Why not change the name of this thread in Trump is NOT the answer. Now, who or what IS ?

This will perhaps be a more constructive and creative thread, which will at least allow some discussion..

What Trump is and has been doing wrong, we have been bombarded with, all day, every day for two years now.

It´s the same in Europe, as CNN is our main US news channel and most of the time journalists are too lazy to inform themselves enough to give a balanced opinion.

Just an idea on a lazy afternoon.

onawah

21st October 2018, 19:17

Why pipelines are disastrous now and will be even more in the near future.
Earthquakes during Grand Solar Minimum. John L. Casey Ph.D. Adapt 2030 Global Warming LIES

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Published on Jan 18, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCnW... --- the New Madrid Earthquake Documentary. https://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/im...
Nasa Sun spot chart (a child can understand whats happening) http://www.c3headlines.com/temperatur... --- Huge collection of Solar charts/graphs that support GSM and Destroy C02 global warming!
John L. Casey Ph.D. and David DuByne of Adapt 2030 discuss what, why and how. The greatest American Earthquake, The New Madrid Fault Earthquake, winter of 1811-1812, happened in the 'Dalton' Grand Solar Minimum. At least 90 Volcanic eruptions in the 'Maunder' GSM & 'Dalton' GSM including Mt. Tambora huge Volcano, which Lowered Global Temperatures for years & caused the 1815 "Year without a summer", in the bottom of the 'Dalton' GSM.
New Madrid Earthquake occurred in the winter of 1811-1812, in the 'Dalton' GSM. Major Earthquakes and Vulcanism have historically coincided with Grand Solar Minimums."

samildamach

21st October 2018, 20:03

onawah

21st October 2018, 20:40

It's about NWO and globalism, the corporate state versus the individual, not about Q, not about Trump, not about Liberal vs. Conservative.
Investing all one's hope into political entities, given how the controllers have been manipulating global politics for centuries, is bound to be disillusioning, and is basically just naive.
Pointing that out is not being hateful, it's just using common sense, based on long observation by many astute researchers.

From: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/lionel-an-existential-fight-to-the-death-with-the-globalists/
"It seems like all of the righteous rage and frustration over the evils and inequities perpetrated over the past half century by the US Government; anger that would have rightly been directed toward George W Bush for 9/11 and the Endless Wars or toward Barack Obama for doubling down on drone strikes and pumping up the surveillance state is being displaced onto Donald Trump. It seems like all of the the hatred that is so richly deserved by the Neocons is being diverted onto Trump, even though he defunded ISIS and has been much less warlike than his predecessors. Seriously, where was all the outrage that we see being hurled at the President in the Mainstream Media when Bush took us to war with Iraq on a lie?

I expressed many of these thoughts the other day but Lionel, who is a living, breathing thesaurus articulates these ideas with his own inimitable panache:

"Paleoconservatism of the Reagan era is dead. The Conservatism of William F Buckley and of all those grand GOP-ers is dead. Neoconservatism is dead. New Deal FDR Democratic policy is dead. Anything from the past, today is dead. It's a brand new world and if you're using antiquated, antediluvian, archaic almost Paleolithic concepts of Conservatism and supply-side, the world is different, the problems are different, the scope of the problems are different...

"We're in a war right now, not against Liberalism but against unipolar Globalism, New World Order, Deep State, police state, intel state, government-within-the-government, permanent government, shadow government. We're in a in a war with a Soros-backed, Bilderberg-backed, a multi-layered conspiracy; world involving dark forces and people and methodologies that transcend anything from the past.

"Ronald Reagan wouldn't know what to do and if you're spouting 30-year old National Review, Bill Buckley, supply-side and all of this hyper-moralistic, simplistic, Antediluvian, tissue-thin; this kind of a rehash, recycled, regurgitated Conservatism; if you think that's what this is...Pick the greatest argument from the past; the greatest argument that we have ever had from the past and nothing compares today...

"I mean, we're dealing with threats to our system that the Gipper could not even fathom. He worried about the 'Evil Empire.' That's nothing. You know who the Evil Empire is now? It's NATO! and Russia is this perfect wedge, this perfect 'Bad Guy'!

"Remember: no Russia, no NATO – no Russia, no NATO!
"The fill-in-the-blank 'Bad Guy' – and they tried everything. Let me tell you where they shot their wad and where they absolutely made a huge mistake: ...when they decided that they were going to use Russia and Putin and others as the fill-in-the-blank, generic explanation and the basis for everything that involved Hillary Clinton...

"She provided you with the basis and the provision of her reason, her excuse for losing and with that came this contrived and incredibly-orchestrated, the machinations of the conspiracy to blame Trump and as that was exposed... everything from Fusion GPS, to dossiers, to PissGate, to Russian hookers, you know, soiling the percales of beds, I mean, it's just unraveled – and Rosenstein – and then this monumentally huge, inordinate superstructure of corruption involving people being fired, removed, expurgated, bowdlerized, yanked, jettisoned, whatever you want to call it.

"Let me leave you with what I said before: this is not about Reaganomics. This is not about Neo-Classical Conservatism. Anything from those days, anything from the days of the Gipper and...this Manichaean war between Liberalism and Conservatism, and Good vs Evil and Right vs Wrong – that's over. It's a new game and a new day, Sparky. Believe me."
-Vtpa3VqaFk

With one breath you talk of being unable to talk Trump with out being attacked,only to attack people who follow q.
It's a disturbing cycle ,please see any hate divides.
I love you all no matter your opinion

onawah

22nd October 2018, 03:52

Max Igan How The Matrix Controls You
The first 16 minutes
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Thanks to Waves who posted that here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104245-Q-REVEALED.-Member-of-Creator-Team-Confesses-And-Apologizes&p=1255288&viewfull=1#post1255288

I think Max Igan has had the most comprehensive and wise perspective of the big picture and historical players of anyone for a long, long time.

His observations about the real objectives of the Q agenda early in this latest video ring so true to me.

-He points out that Q followers are repeatedly being told to 'trust the plan' which is to essentially do nothing in complete denial that this means to trust the 'state' to fix the problems created by the 'state'. Yes Trump is the state - especially revealing and damning is his complete subservience to and massive continued monetization of Israel.

-Most significantly, Trump trusters/Q followers are ignoring the fact that Trump is not addressing the most dangerous issues - the smart grid, chemtrails, 5G, vaccines, social crediting gearing up, etc.

-Trump trusters/Q followers while thrilled to have a vast array of their dark topics of how things have gone wrong spotlighted and acknowledged are being mesmerized at the carrot being dangled in front of them that 'getting rid of all these terrible people that have been put out there for them to hate will put a new face on the coin will lead them into a new reality'... remain in total cognitive dissonance of the real perps behind the smart grid/control grid/technocracy building that's getting more entrenched every day, the decades long objective all along.

And I think the future will reveal that one of their projects included the AI experiment they called Q.

Max does a good job explaining the facets of this ongoing 'theater for masses' and what the only real action to create a workable solution will ever be - mass non-compliance. Awesome graphics too.

DNA

22nd October 2018, 15:03

Natalie, in my opinion your posts on this thread have very little to do about Trump.

It seems to me that you are getting some kind of enjoyment by bumping this thread and displaying it's title as a passive aggressive middle finger directly in the face of Trump supporters.

I'm barraged by negative Trump coverage by idiots on mainstream media everyday.

Most of the time I can ignore such attempts by folks such as yourself on this forum who wish to trigger people.

I apologize for allowing myself to be triggered by this thread's title in my earlier post and I will attempt to remedy the situation for future attempts by yourself to trigger people by placing you on permanent ignore.

Although you have made many contributions that I have appreciated, your over riding need to constantly bump this thread and place a middle finger in my face lets me know that over all I can get by with not hearing anything you have to say anymore.

Have a good life.

onawah

22nd October 2018, 16:24

Of course, DNA could have simply chosen not to read this thread, but I'm fine with using the Ignore option, and have done it myself on occasion.
I would simply point out to other Trump supporters once again that I am not Left leaning, I don't hate Trump and I was actually quite relieved when Clinton wasn't elected as I think she's a madwoman, and though I was relieved when Obama replaced Bush, it didn't take me too long to figure out that Obama was just as bad if not worse.
(If Jake, who used to be a member of Avalon and spoke out against Obama and was in terrible frustration when he couldn't prove his point to other members, is still reading this forum, I would like him to know that I really understand now how he felt. Though I had figured it out about Obama long before he left the forum and let him know, which I hope gave him a little bit of satisfaction, at least.)
If I hate anything, I hate the craziness that has overtaken this country, though not the people who have fallen victim to it, whether they are Left or Right. I don't hate Trump though I pity him, and I pity those who think that he is really the solution to our problems, and those who think that the Democrats have the solutions.
If supporting Israel and more war in the Middle East doesn't prove that Trump is just part of a faction of the Deep State, then I don't know what does.

I don't really care if I dissuade anyone from supporting Trump or not, but I do want to be aware of what others are ignoring in their haste to put a good face on what has become a very dire situation indeed.
We and most especially our children are still being dumbed down and poisoned and our environment trashed daily with all sorts of toxins; the mini Ice Age climate change we are undergoing will soon have us facing food shortages and famines even in the developed nations and even more catastrophic earthquakes and weather worldwide, the governments of the world continue to rob us blind building their secret space programs which will do nothing to solve any of the immediate, deadly problems facing us, wars continue to create more disenfranchised populations and ruinous destruction of the environment, we are bombarded and numbed out with ever more mind control technology...the list goes on and on.

The human (if they even are human) fossils that control the halls of Congress are almost without exception total puppets, and the puppet masters are so busy being at war with each other that the problems facing the public are shunted aside, at least, the ones that they are even aware of, which doesn't appear to be many.
IMHO, anyone who thinks Trump can possibly be the solution to these problems just isn't paying attention.
He's just another distraction.
And DNA was right, my posts are less about Trump and much more about all the problems that he cannot solve, that no one person can solve, that only a mass awakening will solve (and I don't mean Q).

onawah

22nd October 2018, 17:12

Timely report from Ang Stoic today with this excerpt:
"All bases are loaded, ready to explode.

Those who are blindly engaged in crude partisanship and talking-point pugnaciousness; those caught up in the endless fighting about nothing; those who cannot embrace something more progressive and sustainable are charged with temper and risk entering a protracted period of turmoil and unrest as soon as Uranus re-enters Aries (Nov 6). For those who are deeply invested in the world of separation, this is only the beginning of a world where disorder and chaos reign wildly.

Not wanting to sound dour, but unless we become intent on taking politics into our own hands and reshaping it – then the stormy mood swings experienced by ourselves, strangers and loved-ones alike, our own overinflated investment into ignorant beliefs, practices and values, and by violent disasters of the earth’s own disturbed climate could lead us into heavy losses.

What do we do?
Something.
Get busy.
Start by not running away from true gains because they come with pains. "

In other words, no easy answers!
See the rest at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91348-Ang-Stoic-Astrological-Reports&p=1255396&viewfull=1#post1255396

onawah

28th October 2018, 15:58

How Trump’s EPA is Keeping Asbestos Legal
https://www.ewg.org/news-and-analysis/2018/07/how-trump-s-epa-keeping-asbestos-legal?utm_campaign=Social+Traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1531409527#.W0dzD9hKhGM
By Melanie Benesh, Legislative Attorney

WEDNESDAY, JULY 11, 2018
"A Russian asbestos company is lavishing praise on Donald Trump and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

“Donald is on our side,” says a post on the Facebook page of the company, Uralasbest, touting the EPA’s recent decision to “no longer deal with negative effects potentially derived from products containing asbestos.”

Uralabest – one of the largest asbestos producers in the world, with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin – is even wrapping crates of asbestos in plastic emblazoned with Trump’s image.

Given the well-known health hazards of asbestos, the endorsement is startling. Asbestos exposure is the only known cause of mesothelioma, a painful and deadly form of lung cancer. Asbestos exposure is also linked to other kinds of lung disease. A recent study found that asbestos could be responsible for nearly 40,000 deaths per year in the U.S.

But Uralasbest is not wrong about the EPA’s actions.

Uralsbest is referring to recent actions taken under the Toxic Substances Control Act, or TSCA, the country’s primary chemical law. Asbestos is one of the first 10 substances the EPA is assessing for safety following TSCA’s overhaul in 2016. Although the EPA has not yet made a decision on the safety of asbestos under the new law, recent actions lay the groundwork for the agency to find that asbestos is safe and should remain legal.

The new TSCA requires the EPA to consider all uses of a chemical when evaluating it for safety. Despite this clear directive, the Trump EPA is ignoring key exposures to asbestos in its safety assessment, likely in violation of the law.

Most egregiously, the EPA is excluding most so-called legacy uses from its risk evaluation. That means the EPA is disregarding the safety risks from asbestos lingering in schools, homes and other building materials across the country – even though these uses pose the biggest exposure risk for most Americans.

The EPA has also significantly narrowed the kinds of asbestos included in its definition of asbestos. With limited exposures considered and some of the most dangerous exposures to asbestos removed from the agency’s consideration, it’s unlikely that the safety assessment will identify the true risk, making it less likely the EPA will ban asbestos.

Last month, the EPA also declined to ban uses of asbestos that have already been abandoned by industry. Instead, the agency issued a so-called significant new use rule, or SNUR, that merely requires manufacturers to notify and seek approval from the EPA before resuming these uses.

The EPA’s failure to finally ban asbestos is especially significant given the agency’s history with asbestos.

TSCA first became law in 1976. One of the EPA’s first actions under the law was to conduct a comprehensive 10-year study on the dangers of asbestos. As a result of the study, in 1989 the EPA proposed banning asbestos. But because of weaknesses in the law, in 1991 a court overturned the ban.

After that setback, the EPA took very few actions under TSCA on any chemical, leading many to consider it the least effective environmental law on the books. When Congress reformed TSCA in 2016, asbestos was often held up as the poster child for TSCA reform, with many saying the law was so broken the EPA “couldn’t even ban asbestos.”

Whether the EPA will finally ban asbestos under the reformed TSCA is an important litmus test for the new law. But given the agency’s recent actions, all signs seem to point to “nyet.” "

onawah

30th October 2018, 06:24

This EPA rule may expand asbestos use, and the deadline for feedback just passed
Science Aug 9, 2018
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/this-epa-rule-may-expand-asbestos-use-and-theres-one-more-day-to-give-feedback?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=EWG%20Content

"On Friday, the Environmental Protection Agency is scheduled to stop taking public comments for a proposed rule that critics say could expand the use of asbestos — an industrial material known to cause cancer and lung disease.

Since the health hazards of asbestos emerged 40 years ago, use of the material has dropped dramatically across the globe. By 2013, more than 60 countries had implemented partial or full bans of asbestos.

Critics and news reports say the proposed rule would open the door for asbestos to make a comeback. Before becoming president, Donald Trump voiced his support for asbestos, suggesting the fire retardant could have prevented the World Trade Center from collapsing during 9/11. Though the public comment period has been open since June 11, only 15 remarks had been made as of Tuesday. Even after a flurry of news coverage this week, the number is less than a thousand.

But EPA officials say it will do the opposite — by filling a loophole that companies could currently use to manufacture or distribute new products with asbestos. They argue without this new rule, a full regulatory ban of asbestos in the future will not be possible.

We asked the EPA, an epidemiologist and an environmental lawyer for their insight. Here’s what you need to know.

Why the EPA proposed this rule
People think asbestos is banned in the U.S., but they’re wrong, said Thomas Burke, an environmental epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Unfortunately, we all have asbestos fibers in our lungs…
“Most people dread the word asbestos and know that it’s a recognized carcinogen, but don’t realize just how much is still in the environment and in common products,” Burke said.

Today, you can find asbestos in brake liners, potting soil, chlorine factories and firefighters’ clothing. Just this week, the chemical was found in crayons and other school supplies. Meanwhile, homeowners and communities continue to deal with the fallout of using asbestos as clothing and building material for thousands of years, most recently as a flame retardant, wall insulation and liner for cement pipes.

“Unfortunately, we all have asbestos fibers in our lungs — whether it’s from the subway stations of New York, to the brakes on cars to background exposure from the historical use in insulation of pipes in our grade schools,” said Burke, who chairs Health Risk and Society program at the Bloomberg School of Public Health. “These asbestos fibers are tiny, and they get in your lungs. They’re like needles, and they stick there forever.”

Asbestos. Image by sakura/via Adobe Stock
The EPA rule could allow asbestos into these products
The EPA has proposed a new regulation — called a significant new use rule — for certain uses of asbestos. If the rule is certified, here are the products where asbestos could resurface.

Adhesives, sealants, and roof and non-roof coatings
Arc chutes
Beater-add gaskets
Extruded sealant tape and other tape
Filler for acetylene cylinders
High-grade electrical paper
Millboard
Missile liner
Pipeline wrap
Reinforced plastics
Roofing felt
Separators in fuel cells and batteries
Vinyl-asbestos floor tile
And any other building material (other than cement).
Most people don’t encounter enough asbestos to suffer health problems, but high exposure has been linked to lung cancer, lung scarring and tumors in the linings of internal organs, a cancer known as mesothelioma.

So why hasn’t the U.S. banned asbestos? Well, officials tried.

The EPA began outlawing asbestos for building materials in 1975, starting with pipe insulation. By 1989, the agency had issued a final rule for a near-total ban of the mineral, under the authority of the Toxic Substances Control Act.

Yet in 1991, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals vacated the EPA’s rule, leaving the door open for the importing and manufacturing of asbestos-containing products.

“What happened is that many of these [asbestos] uses were voluntarily phased out. But nothing stopped someone from bringing those uses back to market,” Nancy Beck, deputy assistant administrator of the EPA’s Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention, told PBS NewsHour. “If somebody wanted to start manufacturing for any of those uses today, they actually could.”

Beck said the proposed rule is necessary to close the gaps created by the court’s decision, so the agency can build the foundation for an outright ban of asbestos.

The rule calls on manufacturers to alert the EPA if they try to use asbestos in an array of products, including adhesives, sealants, and roof and non-roof coatings; separators in fuel cells and batteries; vinyl-asbestos floor tile; and any other building material (other than cement). (See side story for full list).

“It basically prohibits anyone from starting that new use without sending that package to the EPA first for our robust evaluation and approval, if warranted…or disapproval,” said Beck, who worked as an executive for the American Chemical Council, an industry trade organization, before joining the EPA.

Closing a door but opening a window?
All of this is happening now because of the so-called Lautenberg reforms of 2016.

Two years ago, Congress amended the Toxic Substances Control Act, mandating that the EPA take steps to evaluate the risks of all existing chemicals used commercially in America. The law set enforceable deadlines for the EPA and required that a chemical be designated as safe before being sold.

A month before President Trump assumed office, the EPA announced the first 10 chemicals to undergo evaluations under the new law, and asbestos topped the list.

Heather Von St. James displays a CT scan showing her missing left lung. Von St. James has survived mesothelioma cancer resulting from childhood exposure to asbestos. Picture taken April 27, 2012. Photo by REUTERS/Eric MillerHeather Von St. James displays a CT scan showing her missing left lung. Von St. James has survived mesothelioma cancer resulting from childhood exposure to asbestos. Picture taken April 27, 2012. Photo by REUTERS/Eric Miller
For asbestos, the evaluation has involved a few stages, but the two most pertinent center around the proposed rule and something known as “the problem formulation.”

The purpose of the problem formulation is to pinpoint the full scope of risk associated with asbestos. EPA officials will use it to set new regulations or institute a full ban.

“The EPA has received criticism, including from us, with regards to the way it is proposing to conduct this risk assessment of asbestos,” said Melanie Benesh, a legislative attorney for the Environmental Working Group.

In 2013, a study of 30,000 firefighters from San Francisco, Chicago and Philadelphia found they’re twice as likely to develop mesothelioma due to asbestos exposure.
The problem formulation excludes some past findings on the risks of asbestos, Benesh said. In particular, it omits hazards associated with so-called “legacy uses” of the chemical, including the asbestos left over in buildings across the country.

“We think it’s really irresponsible of the agencies to not take those exposures into consideration when determining whether or not this is dangerous,” Benesh said. “The agency is also proposing to exclude certain non-cancer health risks from its assessment of asbestos, even though there are known cancer lung diseases associated with exposure to asbestos.”

This exclusion includes the risks posed to firefighters linked to flame retardant materials and clothing. In 2013, a study of 30,000 firefighters from San Francisco, Chicago and Philadelphia found they’re twice as likely to develop mesothelioma due to asbestos exposure.

Both Benesh and Burke said these omissions in combination with the proposed rule may leave room for asbestos to enter new products.

“It would be beneficial for new uses but would miss the forest for a couple of trees in terms of public health,” said Burke, who served with the EPA during Obama Administration as science advisor and deputy assistant administrator for research and development

Why it matters
Last December, Brazil, the leading supplier of asbestos to the U.S., issued a nationwide ban of the mining, use and commercialization of the material. In 2016, the U.S. imported 705 metric tons of asbestos from overseas, twice its tally from the year before, and 95 percent of these imports came from Brazil.

The rest originated in Russia, which is now poised to become the most significant exporter of asbestos to the U.S.

A boulder containing chrysotile, or white asbestos, lies on the edge of the Cana Brava mine, owned and operated by SAMA S.A., part of the Brazilian Eternit Group, in Minacu, northern Goias State, January 17, 2013. Photo by REUTERS/Ueslei Marcelino A boulder containing chrysotile, or white asbestos, lies on the edge of the Cana Brava mine, owned and operated by SAMA S.A., part of the Brazilian Eternit Group, in Minacu, northern Goias State, January 17, 2013. Photo by REUTERS/Ueslei Marcelino
Russian manufacturers see an opportunity to expand their markets with Trump as president, given his past support for asbestos, with one company going as far as stamping his face on their packaging. Beck said the president has not been involved in the EPA’s recent activities involving asbestos.

The U.S. chemical industry supports the steps taken by the EPA. The American Chemical Council declined to comment via phone, but shared this statement:

“ACC and its members commend the release of the problem formulation of asbestos. This brings the agency one step closer to a comprehensive risk evaluation of asbestos use in the chlor-alkali industry and elsewhere. ACC and its members will continue to work with and provide requested information to EPA to ensure the evaluation and final assessment are scientifically accurate and protective of worker and environmental health.”

But will the proposed rule and the problem formulation, which has a public comment period that ends August 16, trigger an increase in asbestos use?

No one will know until the rule is confirmed, and the EPA begins reviewing new applications for the chemical.

…the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the same applies to environmental protections.
Beck said the rule creates a disincentive for manufacturers and distributors who want to bring these products to market because they can’t immediately do so.

“They have to come to us for a thorough evaluation of the environmental and human health risks before they can go to market,” Beck said.

But Burke said the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the same applies to environmental protections. He cited the example of a chemical called MTBE, which is added to gasoline so the fuel burns cleaner.

“This is now perhaps one of the most pervasive drinking water contaminants and groundwater contaminants in the U.S. That’s what happens when you use a narrow lens, when you have the blinders on,” Burke said. “Asbestos is a bellwether issue for the protection of public health and chemical safety. It’s important to have a public health approach that looks at the full range of uses and potential risk to a population.” "

onawah

2nd November 2018, 03:36

Our Nation's Biggest Climate Action Is Under Attack. Speak Up to Defend It!
11/1/18
The Sierra Club
"Trump and former coal lobbyist and acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler have released an an unlawful and unacceptable plan that does little to fight the climate crisis."
(This was in the Sierra Clubs email action alert update today:)
Protect Our Air From Toxic Mercury
"Over the last two decades, we fought and won to reduce toxic pollution from coal plants including mercury, arsenic and other heavy metals as well as acid gases and fine particulates. These new standards protect the most vulnerable in our communities, from those with asthma to pregnant mothers and developing children to the elderly. But these protections are now in danger as Trump and former coal industry lobbyist, Acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler, are reportedly trying to roll back the benefits of these lifesaving standards. This action is so heinous, even the industry opposes the rollback!

The Obama era EPA air toxics protections are estimated to prevent:
up to 11,000 premature deaths;
nearly 5,000 heart attacks;
130,000 asthma attacks;
5,700 hospital and emergency room visits; and
540,000 days when people miss work and school.
Trump and Wheeler’s proposal is being reviewed by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), part of the Executive Office of the President, one of the steps before this proposal can become an official EPA rule. Send them a message that we oppose any weakening of protections against mercury and other toxic pollution. Our families, our children, our air and water can’t tolerate it. Send in your message today! "

From:Our Nation's Biggest Climate Action Is Under Attack. Speak Up to Defend It!
https://www.addup.org/campaigns/our-nations-biggest-climate-action-is-at-risk-speak-up-to-defend-it
"Trump and former coal lobbyist and acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler have released an an unlawful and unacceptable plan that does little to fight the climate crisis.
WHY THIS MATTERS
Carbon pollution and other emissions from coal power plants continue to harm our families and make climate change worse. Issued under the Obama Administration, EPA’s Clean Power Plan would have reduced carbon emissions from the electricity sector by 32 percent, avoided 90,000 asthma attacks per year, and prevented 3,200 premature deaths per year by 2030.

The Trump Administration has announced its intention to scrap the Clean Power Plan and replace it with a rule that does virtually nothing to reduce these dangerous emissions.

The harmful effects of coal plant pollution disproportionately affect communities of color and low-income families. That’s why the Trump Administration’s decision to get rid of the Clean Power Plan is an added assault on the most vulnerable among us. With the recent extreme weather events -- hurricanes, floods, wildfires -- it’s clear we need stronger climate action, not less.

Clean energy is winning nationwide, helping reduce the pollution that harms our climate, our air, and our water. We need to encourage the growth of our clean energy economy.

The EPA will look for comments on its recent decision and we want to demonstrate that there is a large and loud movement that supports strong climate action like the Clean Power Plan. Will you join us and submit a comment?"
Our Nation's Biggest Climate Action Is Under Attack. Speak Up to Defend It!
Trump and former coal lobbyist and acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler have released an an unlawful and unacceptable plan that does little to fight the climate crisis."
Take action here: https://www.addup.org/campaigns/our-nations-biggest-climate-action-is-at-risk-speak-up-to-defend-it

onawah

8th November 2018, 22:17

Trump’s USDA May Hide GMOs in 10,000 Foods, Use Confusing Jargon on Labels
EWG: Consumers Need Plain Disclosure Language, Law Must Cover All GMO Foods
https://www.ewg.org/release/trump-s-usda-may-hide-gmos-10000-foods-use-confusing-jargon-labels?utm_campaign=Social+Traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1530636331#.WzuoFthKiHs
JULY 3, 2018

WASHINGTON – "Under the guise of “transparency,” the Trump administration’s proposed GMO disclosure rule may in fact codify secrecy and confusing labels for genetically modified foods, said Scott Faber, EWG’s senior vice president for government affairs.

The Department of Agriculture’s draft disclosure rule could exempt 10,000 foods that contain highly refined GMO sugars and oils. With that loophole, roughly one in six foods produced with GMOs might be exempt from disclosure.

The rule would make on-package labeling of GMOs optional, and if companies did choose to disclose GMOs on labels, they could use language and symbols likely to confuse consumers.

Instead of the widely understood terms “genetically modified” or “genetically engineered,” the rule would require companies to use the terms “bioengineered” or “bioengineered food ingredient.”

Finally, companies could choose not to label GMOs on the package, but instead use digital codes that consumers can scan with smartphones – without providing alternatives for shoppers who don’t own smartphones or who have lousy cell service.

Today is the deadline for public comments on the Trump administration’s proposed GMO rule. To date, more than 11,300 people and organizations have submitted comments, including EWG. Consumers can submit comments at www.regulations.gov.

“Access to information about GMO foods should be available to all consumers, and every food made with GMO ingredients should be required to disclose that information,” Faber said. “The Trump administration and some Big Food and Big Ag lobbyists may not want consumers to know if the food they eat has been genetically altered by scientists, but the American people overwhelmingly do.”

“Trump once attacked President Obama as the least transparent President ever, but this proposed rule would bury basic information about the food Americans feed their families in a quagmire of secrecy and confusion,” Faber added."

onawah

10th November 2018, 23:24

A WIN for the environment - Court Halts Keystone XL
November 08, 2018 by Joshua Axelrod
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/josh-axelrod/public-speaks-out-against-keystone-xl-climate-chaos

"Within hours of the close of the State Department's public comment period on their rushed Draft Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (DSEIS) for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, a federal court in Montana handed down a decision halting the project altogether and ordering the government to undertake a new, far more detailed look at the contentious project.

The news came after more than 150,000 people once again voiced their opposition to the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. In public comments submitted in response the State Department’s DSEIS, commenters from across the country highlighted the unnecessary threats to endangered species, fresh water, farmland, and global climate posed by the pipeline. This comes at a time when the connection between Keystone XL and tar sands production expansion—with all of its significant climate impacts—has never been clearer. With new pipelines cancelled or delayed, companies have reduced production on existing projects and have even called off expansion projects until new pipelines are built. As the scientific community raises the urgency of global efforts to reduce our carbon emissions, the case against tar sands expansion projects like Keystone XL is stronger than ever.

For those keeping track at home, it has now been almost four years since the Obama administration denied Keystone XL’s key federal permit, halting the project. President Trump revived the project from the dead as one of his first executive actions in January 2017, but little progress has been made toward the project getting built in the nearly two years that have followed. Indeed, as some of today’s public comments highlight, the State Department and the Trump administration have been so sloppy with the project and its environmental review that they continue to fail to meet the basic requirements of our bedrock environmental laws.

Today's legal victory against the pipeline demonstrates just how high the hurdles are for Keystone XL and how low its chances are of ever being built. Piling onto its problems, litigation in Nebraska could lead to the state route permit being revoked and sent back to the Public Service Commission, which would then be required to undertake a new review of the route. Future litigation involving the use of eminent domain in Nebraska also hangs over the project, as do suits recently brought by tribes in Montana and South Dakota.

Just how long TransCanada can hold out hope that Keystone XL will get built remains an open question. In a show of surprisingly weak demand for the project, the company recently announced that it was investigating new ways to fund the $8 billion pipeline, including joint ventures. Despite holding a cross-border permit for more than a year, the company has still not made a final investment decision on the project.

The delay of Keystone XL, along with Enbridge’s Line 3 in Minnesota and Canada’s nationalized Trans Mountain expansion in British Columbia, have led to forced production cuts in the Canada’s tar sands industry that lay bare its astonishing vulnerabilities. Industry and the State Department have long argued that new pipelines from the tar sands will not lead to expanded tar sands oil production. This, of course, has always been a lie and today’s conditions prove it: in the face of limited new export capacity, producers are throttling output back in major ways, with some even calling for production quotas to help alleviate some of the economic pain the industry is feeling. Others have publicly stated that they will delay or cancel planned expansions until new pipeline capacity is added. The message is clear. New pipelines equal expanded production of one of the world’s dirtiest oils.

As Canada’s tar sands industry faces this tough reality, other economic winds are blowing in their face. Global oil prices have now fallen to their lowest levels in seven months. More painful still, the baked-in discount tar sands oil sees on the market due to low quality and transport costs has further ballooned as stockpiles have grown and export capacity has tightened. A barrel of tar sands oil now sells for less than $20, more than $40 below the price fetched by West Texas Intermediate (WTI), North America’s benchmark crude oil.

This situation is unlikely to improve. In a year’s time, demand for heavy sour crude oils like tar sands is also likely to take a hit as the global shipping industry makes a dramatic shift to low sulfur fuels. On top of that, a bombshell report that had been kept under wraps by Alberta’s Energy Regulator was recently unearthed, finding that the tar sands industry sits on top of liabilities totaling US$200 billion—costs that must be borne either by the tar sands industry or Alberta’s tax payers and Indigenous communities.

All of this drama is now also playing out against the backdrop of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) recent publication of their special report on “Global Warming of 1.5˚ C.” The report paints a troubling picture of the state of the global climate and the pace at which action to mitigate climate change must take place for Earth to avoid the onset of increasingly catastrophic climate events. A key change: stopping almost all burning of fossil fuels by mid-century. It’s an achievable change, but not if governments like Canada continue to poor billions of dollars into subsidies and other supports into industries like the tar sands. A reasonable and economically viable alternative exists: stop pushing these unneeded and dangerous pipeline projects, allow tar sands production to plateau at current levels, and do the work to achieve an equitable solution for the labor force and communities most impacted by the global paradigm shift that is gaining momentum every day."

A Voice from the Mountains

11th November 2018, 01:08

So Onawah, if China or Saudi Arabia picks up the supply that we're not producing, and pollute the Earth even more than we do in extracting it, you consider that an environmental win?

onawah

11th November 2018, 03:32

I'm sure the Native Americans whose rights have been violated and their land desecrated repeatedly will consider it a blessing, and it might even set a precedent for other lands to follow.
If the US is ever again to set a good example for the rest of the world after all the killing and looting of other countries that our government has been responsible for, this would certainly be a good time.
The US has not exactly been loved or admired around the world for our values and benevolence for quite some time now.

A Voice from the Mountains

11th November 2018, 04:21

My question was actually not about Native Americans' feelings, but the environment. I assume that you post about the environment because you are playing the role of someone who cares about the environment, rather than because you want millions of acres of vacant hunting ground restored to the historically nomadic native tribes.

When the US reduces its production of fuel, other countries increase their production accordingly in order to meet demand. Do you think other countries, like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran, are more careful not to harm the environment than the US?

onawah

11th November 2018, 04:32

And my post wasn't about Native Americans' feelings, but about the repeated attacks on their rights, on their persons as well as their land.
Be honest Voice, do you really care what I think, or are you just being contentious?
I fully suspect the latter, and I have no inclination to argue; I am just adding you to my Ignore list, so you don't need to bother answering on my account.
Best wishes and good luck to you.

My question was actually not about Native Americans' feelings, but the environment. I assume that you post about the environment because you are playing the role of someone who cares about the environment, rather than because you want millions of acres of vacant hunting ground restored to the historically nomadic native tribes.

When the US reduces its production of fuel, other countries increase their production accordingly in order to meet demand. Do you think other countries, like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran, are more careful not to harm the environment than the US?

A Voice from the Mountains

11th November 2018, 08:42

Fellow Aspirant

11th November 2018, 17:32

And my post wasn't about Native Americans' feelings, but about the repeated attacks on their rights, on their persons as well as their land.

If they have legitimate complaints then they can take it to the courts just like everyone else who has to deal with eminent domain issues.

Be honest Voice, do you really care what I think, or are you just being contentious?

I care what you think to the extent that I try to understand how you think you can help the environment by pushing energy production into countries with less regulation and less respect for the environment.

I don't understand if people have their hearts in the right place and simply don't understand global economics, or if this is all just virtue signaling, and the actual environment was of secondary (or less) importance to begin with. But in either case, the argument makes absolutely no sense, that shutting down energy production in the US is somehow going to help the entire world. It's the exact opposite.

But the issue is not about shoving oil production offshore. Those countries will continue their oil production whether the US buys it or not. One of the main issues (and there are many) is whether the integrity of the oil pipeline can be trusted. The indigenous people and the white citizen landowners have never based their opposition to the pipeline on global warming. They argue that the pipeline poses an unacceptable risk to the land that it crosses. Their case is based on wanting to have clean water and non-toxic land for the future.

Brian

onawah

11th November 2018, 19:25

If you would really like to make a Native American laugh, tell him "If they have legitimate complaints then they can take it to the courts just like everyone else who has to deal with eminent domain issues."

A Voice from the Mountains

12th November 2018, 00:53

But the issue is not about shoving oil production offshore. Those countries will continue their oil production whether the US buys it or not.

Other countries adjust their production levels all the time to maximize their profit, which doesn't always mean charging the highest price. Sometimes it means charging the same price and simply providing a greater amount of the total supply.

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia adjust their production levels all the time based on market demand. If the US cuts supply, as one of the world's largest producers of energy, the global supply obviously decreases while the demand remains exactly the same.

Who picks up the slack in production? Exactly those other countries, who care much less about the environment than Americans do.

They argue that the pipeline poses an unacceptable risk to the land that it crosses. Their case is based on wanting to have clean water and non-toxic land for the future.

Sure, there is always a small chance of catastrophic disaster, like a ruptured pipe, even in the United States. But if blocking that here means ruining someone else's back yard in another country, with even shoddier work, how noble is their cause? Seems pretty selfish to me.

onawah

13th November 2018, 16:48

Trump Has Said Three Black Female Journalists Are 'Stupid', 'Racist' & 'A Loser'. Just This Week.
The Young Turks
Published on Nov 10, 2018
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Trump does himself no favors with this kind of behavior.

onawah

16th November 2018, 05:09

Message today from the Sierra Club re Trump's nominee to USDA Dow insider Scott Hutchins

"Hutchins’ history indicates an agenda of intensive, toxic petrochemical agriculture with high external inputs rather than more sustainable, ecological, and non-toxic methods of growing food.
Now that Democrats have gained control of the House, major polluters are pushing for everything they can get away with in the time they have left. With this administration's attempts to sweep away ecological and public health protections, we need to be prepared for quick, sneaky moves to install environmental de-regulators like Scott Hutchins.

Stop industry attempts to install another toxic leader and take action now to tell the Senate: Absolutely no to Scott Hutchins being confirmed as Chief Scientist of the USDA.

Scott Hutchins is the third big pesticide player from Dow Chemical that Trump has nominated to the USDA.1 His career efforts to deregulate pesticides have left women, children, and farmworkers especially vulnerable to the impacts of his company’s products -- while exposing our food supply to even more toxins.

Dow even donated $1 million to Donald Trump's inaugural committee upon his election and then held a secretive meeting with Scott Pruitt. Shortly after, Trump's EPA reversed plans to ban Dow's neurotoxic pesticide, chlorpyrifos, despite the EPA's own scientists having concluded that "ingesting even minuscule amounts of the chemical can interfere with the brain development of fetuses and infants." 2

A hearing for his confirmation has just been announced for November 28, so we need all hands on deck. That's why I’m teaming up with Sonya Lunder, our new Senior Toxics Policy Advisor in the Gender Equity program to take on pesticides that hurt women, children, farmworkers, pollinators, and natural resources. We are turning up the heat on toxics and lawmakers that support them, but we need your help!

Make it clear to your Senators: We will not let yet another major chemical company player be installed in a critical federal regulatory agency to the detriment of our food supply, public health, and the environment we share.
Thanks in advance for taking action, let's do this.

Best,
Nomi Carmona"

Their suggested letter to Congress at https://act.sierraclub.org/actions/National?actionId=AR0131136&id=7010Z0000027FrgQAE&data=137f06168b7f6a2654b4c2690c573bf830c250bc91ec054ac73dad80a137eb66c3f19fa60fe627eb21c75bc4d4e139c 7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sierraclub&utm_campaign=foodagriculture&utm_content=scott_hutchins :
"As your constituent and someone very concerned about pesticide industry influence over regulatory bodies, public health, and the environment, I urge you to please oppose the nomination of Scott Hutchins, Dow Chemical’s pesticide division the role of Chief Scientist in the USDA. Hutchins is the third Dow executive Trump has nominated to a powerful position in the USDA, despite human health impacts from toxic Dow agrichemicals and their devastating harm to our pollinators and natural resources. Scott Hutchins’ career advocacy for dangerous pesticides has left women, children, and farmworkers especially vulnerable to the impacts of his company’s products -- while exposing our food supply to even more toxins.

We insist on a competent USDA Chief Scientist who is free of major conflicts of interest and blatant ties to the agrichemical industry.

Dow Chemical donated $1 million to Trump’s inaugural campaign, and met secretively with Scott Pruitt. Shortly after, the EPA reversed their plans to ban Dow’s neurotoxic pesticide, chlorpyrifos -- despite the EPA’s own scientists having concluded that “ingesting even minuscule amounts of the chemical can interfere with the brain development of fetuses and infants.”

The agrichemical industry is heavily lobbying Congress and this administration to deregulate dangerous pesticides that poison our water, land, air, wildlife, food, and people. These chemical companies have been advocating for Farm Bill provisions that relieve pesticide makers of liability for harming or killing endangered species with pesticides and take away the rights of states and local governments to protect their communities.

Hutchins’ history indicates his agenda prioritizes chemical intensive agriculture over sustainable, non-toxic methods of growing food. Please do not put another agrichemical company in a position of greater authority over our food, agriculture, health, and safety. We cannot trust Scott Hutchins, and it is difficult to imagine trusting a lawmaker that would support increasing pesticide industry control over our agriculture and food supply from within our regulatory bodies.

I urge you to oppose the nomination of Scott Hutchins on behalf of human health, clean water, sustainable agriculture, and non-toxic air -- as well as things that are little in size but make all the difference like bees, butterflies, and babies which face severe harm from pesticide exposure.

Thank you for your consideration."

Franny

17th November 2018, 03:02

Sure, there is always a small chance of catastrophic disaster, like a ruptured pipe, even in the United States. But if blocking that here means ruining someone else's back yard in another country, with even shoddier work, how noble is their cause? Seems pretty selfish to me.

Perhaps not so small a chance. There are several leaks in their area that have been cited as some of the reasons why they don’t want pipelines on their lands One leak ran thru a suburban neighborhood, the other ran across land into a stream and pond. Maybe not so catastrophic until it’s your house and neighborhood or land and stream that’s covered in leaked oil.

Blocking it from your tribal lands to protect the land and water sounds like common sense to me rather than ignoble selfishness. Other countries will continue to pump and leak oil if the work is shoddy or mistakes happen regardless of pipelines or pumping on the tribal lands; there is no direct correlation.

How it can be selfish for the tribe to want clean land and water? Every living thing on Earth needs clean water and it is the absolute right of all to have it.

Of course the CEO of Nestle disagrees; he said no human being has a right to water, corporations should own water and sell it as a commodity. If people can’t afford it, it’s their problem. He makes the perfect sense of a psychopath. I expect he would see the tribe as bottled water customers if the water on their lands becomes unusable, just as they should be.

Getting back to oil, folks here are aware that we really don’t need oil to fulfill our energy needs. We have had other means for decades but they have been held back from the general population by those who benefit by doing so. That is what I would call ignoble and selfish.

onawah

23rd November 2018, 20:19

From non-profit Social Security Works on Facebook today:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/03/d4/8b03d439865246c628962f89e9f99880.jpg

onawah

26th November 2018, 23:53

House Farm Bill Would Sweep Away Hundreds of State Safeguards
By Melanie Benesh, Legislative Attorney and Jack Dearing, Government Affairs Intern
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 6, 2018
https://www.ewg.org/agmag/2018/06/king-amendment?utm_campaign=Social+Traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_content=1528332909#.WxiCVdMvwfN

"The proposed farm bill rejected by the House of Representatives last month has drawn scorn for creating new farm subsidy loopholes, increasing hunger, and cutting funding for conservation and rural development programs. But the bill also includes a less-noticed provision that would wipe hundreds of state food and farm laws off the books.
The provision, added in the final moments of the House Agriculture Committee’s vote to send the bill to the House floor, is designed to block a California law prohibiting the sale of eggs produced by hens crammed into too-small cages. But the amendment by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, goes much further, blocking virtually all state laws related to any agricultural product.
If enacted, the amendment would preempt hundreds of state laws governing food safety, food labeling, fishing, animal welfare, permitting, record keeping and procurement. Most of these laws are designed to protect consumers, but many also protect farmers. For example, they include laws that guard against invasive species or make it easier to sell food and farm products.
A recent analysis by Harvard Law School found that hundreds of laws in all 50 states would be at risk. To see what laws could be blocked by the King amendment in each state, use the map below.

Click on your state below to see state laws that would be affected by H.R. 4879.
Map of States' King amendment data

https://static.ewg.org/img/desktop_map_with_labels_no_dc.png

The King amendment isn’t the only farm bill provision that puts local laws at risk. Sec. 9101 of the House farm bill would also prevent cities, counties and communities from adopting their own pesticide laws. In effect, this provision would block local governments’ efforts to ban toxic pesticides like chlorpyrifos, or restrict spraying in places like schools or playgrounds, where children would likely be exposed. This map, from our colleagues at Beyond Pesticides, identifies local pesticide laws across the country that would likely be blocked by Sec. 9101.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., recently created a task force to support state’s rights, saying “government works best when it works from the bottom up.” But these farm bill provisions create an unprecedented assault on local food and farm laws – led by House leaders who claim to defend the rights of states.|"

Bob

27th November 2018, 00:33

Natalie - have you looked at the status of HR 4879?

Senate rejects it - See: https://www.care2.com/causes/success-senate-passes-farm-bill-without-steve-kings-terrible-amendment.html

background on HR 4879

Steve King of Iowa added to the bill. His “Protect Interstate Commerce Act” (HR 4879) would negate most state and local laws regarding the production or manufacture of agriculture products.

Gone would be regulations protecting animals, including those concerning puppy mills, eggs from battery-caged hens, horse slaughter, shark finning, and the sale of cat and dog meat, as just a few examples.

And that’s not all: HR 4879 would also remove protections for consumers and the environment, such as laws regarding food safety, environmental requirements and child labor.

King had tried and failed to add a similar amendment to the 2014 Farm Bill. Fortunately, he’s failed again, at least in the Senate’s version of the 2018 Farm Bill.

The Senate has passed its version by an overwhelming majority — and it does not include HR 4879.

HOUSE VERSION STILL INCLUDES HR 4879
The next step is for the Senate and House of Representatives to resolve the differences in their respective versions of the Farm Bill.

Unfortunately, HR 4879 still remains in the House version, along with other disturbing measures such as major cuts to and new work requirements for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps), which serves more than 40 million Americans every year.

All House Democrats voted against this version of the Farm Bill. Hopefully HR 4879 and the other terrible measures will be removed from the final version.

onawah

27th November 2018, 01:02

Apparently there are still problems with the proposed legislation, because that article was in Environmental Working Group's email update today.

Natalie - have you looked at the status of HR 4879?

Senate rejects it - See: https://www.care2.com/causes/success-senate-passes-farm-bill-without-steve-kings-terrible-amendment.html

background on HR 4879

Steve King of Iowa added to the bill. His “Protect Interstate Commerce Act” (HR 4879) would negate most state and local laws regarding the production or manufacture of agriculture products.

Gone would be regulations protecting animals, including those concerning puppy mills, eggs from battery-caged hens, horse slaughter, shark finning, and the sale of cat and dog meat, as just a few examples.

And that’s not all: HR 4879 would also remove protections for consumers and the environment, such as laws regarding food safety, environmental requirements and child labor.

King had tried and failed to add a similar amendment to the 2014 Farm Bill. Fortunately, he’s failed again, at least in the Senate’s version of the 2018 Farm Bill.

The Senate has passed its version by an overwhelming majority — and it does not include HR 4879.

HOUSE VERSION STILL INCLUDES HR 4879
The next step is for the Senate and House of Representatives to resolve the differences in their respective versions of the Farm Bill.

Unfortunately, HR 4879 still remains in the House version, along with other disturbing measures such as major cuts to and new work requirements for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as food stamps), which serves more than 40 million Americans every year.

All House Democrats voted against this version of the Farm Bill. Hopefully HR 4879 and the other terrible measures will be removed from the final version.

ichingcarpenter

11th December 2018, 14:29

The 'Smocking Gun' on Trump's sociopathic narcissism

The Evolutionary Role of Narcissistic Sociopaths

I thought this was an interesting article on sociopathic tendencies vs psychopathic tendencies and cognitive empathy regardless what one thinks of Trump.

Co-authored by Nathan Lents, Ph.D., and Robert Trivers, Ph.D.

There is no shortage of published psychological profiles of Donald J. Trump that attempt to diagnose him, from a distance, as either a psychopath or a narcissistic sociopath (examples here, here, and here). These profiles, of course, are fatally hindered by the lack of access to Mr. Trump for personal examination and completion of personality inventories. There is a raging debate in the psychology community on the propriety of all of this. (Other kinds of diagnoses and analyses, here and here, and an important essay from Psychology Today.)

However, exploration of the evolutionary features of these very peculiar personality types does not require a personal examination and may provide insight into this important question.

Psychopaths are indeed an evolutionary conundrum because their particular behaviors are not an obvious path toward evolutionary success. For example, the majority of serial killers are childless when they are killed or apprehended. Narcissistic sociopaths, however, invariably have families and children whom they support energetically, and many of the traits specific to this phenotype can fairly be called adaptive. This raises the important issue of the evolutionary niche of a narcissistic sociopath within the societies in which they exist.

[A note on terminology: We employ “narcissistic sociopath” as an umbrella term inclusive of Machiavellianism and narcissistic/antisocial personality disorder but exclusive of sadistic psychopathology, as explained below. Terminology in this area is inconsistent in both the scientific literature and even more so in popular media, in part because these various personality types/disorders exist on a multidimensional spectrum with both common and distinct characteristics. Importantly, our analysis is from the perspective of evolutionary biology, not psychology.]

Narcissistic sociopaths share many features with psychopaths including above average intelligence, considerable social savvy, adaptability, likability, and natural skills in (Machiavellian) manipulation. They are charming, outgoing, feign interest in people and subjects, and can convincingly fake both sympathy and conscience. If they engage in charitable acts at all, they are only in pursuit of ancillary selfish benefits. They learn from experience and show no dedication to a set of moral values, religious beliefs, truth, or transparency. If they admire anyone, it is other psychopaths and sociopaths that they wish to emulate. Finally, they are effective liars and show a chilling unconcern for the welfare of others.

There is one particular skill that is common to both psychopaths and narcissistic sociopaths and is absolutely essential to their nature: cognitive empathy. This is different from emotional (or affective) empathy, sometimes called emotional contagion, which is regarded as the ability and tendency to closely identify with the emotional experience of others.

Cognitive empathy is a mental skill involving the close observation of others in order to understand and predict their behavior. It is morally neutral and common in high-functioning individuals across the moral and ethical spectrum. While social workers and therapists use cognitive empathy to help individuals improve their lives, psychopaths and sociopaths use this skill to manipulate, coerce, and deceive others in orders. While emotional empathy is an innate cognitive feature we share with other social mammals, cognitive empathy is a skill that can be developed and refined, and doing so is key to the behaviors of both psychopaths and sociopaths.

However, the ways in which sociopaths differ from psychopaths is key to understanding their evolutionary utility. For example, psychopaths are more likely than the general public to be violent and to end up incarcerated. Narcissistic sociopaths, on the other hand, are usually nonviolent and can work within a system of laws and norms, insofar as it suits their goals, because, while they do not hesitate to harm others, especially when insulted or humiliated, it isn’t a specific aim. Instead, they are highly motivated toward the accumulation of riches and influence; whereas psychopaths are often more focused on sadistic self-gratification and generally do not seek positions of power and wealth per se. (There is some crossover between these phenotypes; sociopaths who do find gratification in inflicting pain can be labeled malignant narcissists.)

Finally, narcissistic sociopaths always seek reproductive success through procreation and aggressive nepotism, which is usually accompanied by extreme in-group identification, e.g., racism, xenophobia, and nationalism, while psychopaths show no allegiance to family, community, or country.

Therefore, the phenotype of the narcissistic sociopath is not a bizarre combination of traits, but rather a set of highly attuned social skills and behaviors aimed at increasing long-term biological fitness through wealth, status, power, and the future success of progeny. In order words, sociopaths are highly adapted (key literature here, here, here, and references therein).

The evolutionary puzzle of narcissistic sociopaths is not found in the phenotype itself but rather in the interaction of sociopaths with the society in which they exist. Social groups can detect dishonest and manipulative behaviors and act to punish the actors in order to either correct the antisocial behavior or remove them from the group. Dozens of mammal species have shown this very sophisticated and elastic social behavior, but humans and our close relatives are especially apt at detecting and punishing cheaters, freeloaders, and liars.

This sets up both a short-term conflict and long-term evolutionary battle between manipulative narcissistic sociopaths and the rest of society, that is, those who do not wish to be manipulated. Most individuals in a society share a vested interest in maintaining fairness and social order. The equilibrium point is reached through a concept called frequency-dependent selection, the essence of which is that phenotypes can sometimes have distinct advantages precisely because they are rare. Under this paradigm, the infrequency of sociopaths in a population is essential to their success.

Current estimates place the prevalence of narcissistic sociopathy at 1–2 percent, making it a candidate phenotype for frequency-dependent selection, especially given how successful they often are. The rarity of narcissistic sociopaths in the population, along with their considerable skill in hiding their true motivations, makes them very difficult to detect. If they were more numerous, however, members of society would become familiar with this particular pattern of social deviance and quickly learn to neutralize it. Furthermore, when narcissists encounter one another, while they may be willing to cooperate with each other in fickle and short-lived alliances, ultimately their goals will collide and the relationship deteriorates into mutually self-defeating conflicts. This, too, acts as negative selection and maintains the low frequency of this peculiar phenotype.

On the other side of the conflict is the selective pressure on the rest of society. Because sociopaths are rare, the intensity of the pressure on society to detect and neutralize them is correspondingly weak. Weak pressure leads to poor adaptation, while sociopaths experience strong pressure and become highly adapted. However, as the sociopath phenotype finds evolutionary success, the pressure flips back the other direction as the rest of society experiences increasing pressure, adapts, and then pushes the frequency of the sociopaths back down to the basal level. In human culture, this pendulum swings in both the long timescales of genetic evolution and the short timescales of cultural evolution. In both contexts, the conflict is cyclical.

With this evolutionary framework in mind, we can now return to the question of President Trump. Clearly, he attracts devoted supporters. He can be affable, charming, and flattering. He reads people well and can maneuver through his relationships in order to obtain the best “deal” for himself. While many question his capacity for emotional empathy, his skills in cognitive empathy are undeniable.

However, he also has maintained an unwavering pursuit of wealth, influence, and power, by his own admission. He has never participated in regular religious observance, is not outwardly pious, and shows no allegiance to a political party. It is well documented that his views have shifted, sometimes repeatedly, on the most central political questions of the day such as abortion, government involvement in healthcare, military interventionism, federal drug policy, and LGBTQ rights. While only his critics view him as racist and xenophobic, even his supporters see him as fiercely nationalistic and his own campaign slogan of “America First” underscores this. And finally, he aggressively pursues his own biological fitness through the placement of his children in top positions in both his business enterprises and his presidential administration. Thus, an evolutionary analysis reveals that he is clearly not a psychopath.

Whether or not he is a narcissistic sociopath, then, depends on the answers to questions about his conscience or lack thereof, commitment to truth and transparency, sincerity in his professed religious beliefs, fidelity to political ideals, and tendency to cheat, deceive, and coerce. These questions are more like Rorschach tests in which his supporters and detractors come to opposite conclusions. However, for the most part, the answers to these questions do not require a psychological analysis of the president. There is abundant evidence in the public record.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beastly-behavior/201812/the-evolutionary-role-narcissistic-sociopaths

Oh and about that smocking tweet Donald did at 4 in the morning....

Trump Writes 'Smocking Gun' Twice in One Tweet, Gets Mercilessly Clowned

https://www.complex.com/life/2018/12/donald-trump-smocking-gun-tweet-clowned

Praxis

11th December 2018, 16:35

My favorite part of the smocking gun is lemmings of Q have decided that it was an intentional misspell.

Smocking is indeed a sewing term.

Also, I wonder how many on this forum have invested in the Iraqi Dinar?

The more that comes out the more I think this hypothesis is correct:

Trump is being used by his daughter and her husband to accomplish what they would like while he will take the fall for it.
This is why he uses the terms fake news.

He read something in a news paper that was not supposed to get to him, they probably leave fox news on for him so he doesnt see other stuff, and in order to explain it, Ivanka decided to go the "No daddy, that is not true dont believe them, believe me. They are fake news"

They he does the same thing to the world. He loves his daughter. Like loves, in many ways as he has openly and disgustingly expressed in public. She knows this.

All the while, you can see DONNY JR who just wants in the whole wide world for his daddy to love him , but knows especially from the divorce proceedings with Ivana that daddy doesnt care about the old name sake.

We are watching inbred white trash play out on national television. It would not surprise me if Ivanka gets named chief of staff now that Ayers said no or that daddy trump hasnt already floated that idea.

Kushner is clearly a mossad asset and the power couple is the real story.

The part that blows my mind is teh Q NONSENSE only makes sense when he is the underdog before the election.

Post election, this toungue in cheek deep state fight doesnt hold water. Especially when he has the chance gifted to him to expose the JFK files once and for and DOES NOT.

Never forget he could have exposed the CIA but CHOSE NOT TO.

But dont worry guys and you know the chorus so sing it with me:

SEALED INDICTMENTS

onawah

14th December 2018, 23:36

Giving polluters a free pass
Take action here:
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/dec-methane?link_id=3&can_id=4870e31ee9d2b4c95e94bdd1b8471b48&source=email-donald-trump-is-giving-polluters-a-free-pass&email_referrer=email_467192___subject_598248&email_subject=donald-trump-is-giving-polluters-a-free-pass

(Never mind the global warming disinfo, methane is very toxic)

"On December 17th, 1963, our country took decisive, bipartisan action with the passage of the Clean Air Act, reaffirming our commitment that all Americans should have safe air to breathe. Now, President Donald Trump and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Acting Administrator Andrew Wheeler are attacking standards that protect our health.

Don't let them get away with it.
Wheeler and Trump are trying to destroy the EPA’s commonsense, cost-effective oil and gas pollution standards, putting their polluter allies ahead of the health and safety of communities across the country. We can’t let them get away with it.

DEADLINE 12/17: Tell Wheeler and Trump that our health must come before corporate polluters.

With over 80 times the warming power of carbon dioxide, methane is a major driver of climate change, and Wheeler and Trump’s reckless rollback of these critical protections would put our families and environment at risk. Wheeler is ignoring the EPA’s mission to protect our health and the environment by gutting these critical methane pollution standards – and this is just the beginning. This rollback marks the beginning of a two-part scheme by Wheeler and Trump to dramatically weaken efforts to reduce dangerous toxic air pollution.

GET LOUD: Tell Wheeler and Trump that we refuse to go backwards.

Make no mistake: this is a blatant attempt to give corporate polluters a free pass to endanger our health and safety. If Wheeler guts these critical methane pollution standards, our families will pay the price, especially those who live near oil and gas facilities. December 17th is your last chance speak out against these rollbacks.
We need your voice – our health is on the line.

Thank you for speaking out,
Catherine Mbacho
SaveOurEnvironment.org"

From Action Network:
"Oil and gas methane pollution standards are commonsense safeguards that help keep our air clean and our families healthier. Now, Donald Trump and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Acting Administrator Andrew Wheeler want to give their friends in the oil and gas industry a free pass to put our health and planet in danger by recklessly rolling back these protections. This puts lives at risk – exposure to harmful air pollution from the oil and gas industry can increase risk of asthma attacks and cancer. This rollback will also exacerbate the harmful impacts of climate change. We depend on the EPA to protect us from harmful pollution that makes it harder to breathe and contributes to climate change.

This proposal is bad for Americans, and especially poor and vulnerable communities bearing the increasing costs of climate change, and also bad for an industry trying to compete in a cleaner energy economy. Together, we can stop the Trump administration from putting the interests of the oil and gas industry over the needs of our families."
Sign the petition: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/dec-methane?link_id=3&can_id=4870e31ee9d2b4c95e94bdd1b8471b48&source=email-donald-trump-is-giving-polluters-a-free-pass&email_referrer=email_467192___subject_598248&email_subject=donald-trump-is-giving-polluters-a-free-pass

onawah

14th December 2018, 23:45

Stop Trump's Latest Arctic Oil Drilling Scheme
Submit an official comment before January 4 to Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, calling on him to keep the Beaufort Sea permanently off-limits to Big Oil & Gas.
From the NRDC Natural Resources Defense Council

(Alaska just had a huge earthquake. More drilling and oil spills they definitely don't need.)
"The Polar Bear Seas.
That's what they call the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, together home to most of Alaska's imperiled polar bear population.
The Beaufort is also the latest target of President Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's unrelenting drive to hand over our Arctic wilderness and U.S. coastlines to his oil industry allies.
Drilling in the Arctic's Beaufort Sea would be extraordinarily dangerous — the risk of oil spills there is extremely high, and cleaning up spills in such rugged and remote waters is functionally impossible.The Interior Department is formally accepting public comments on its risky drilling gambit until January. So we only have a few weeks to flood the Interior Department with thousands of citizen letters opposing drilling in the Beaufort Sea.

Take action now — submit your Letter of Opposition to Trump's Interior Department and say NO to drilling in the Beaufort Sea and all our ocean waters.
HERE: https://act.nrdc.org/letter/beaufort-sea-181213?source=EMOBEAPET&tkd=%7B%7Buser.id%7D%7D&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=actr&utm_campaign=email&t=14&tkd=315001&akid=3229%2E315001%2ELUfzwq
An oil spill in the Beaufort Sea would be disastrous for the Arctic's vulnerable wildlife, especially its threatened polar bear population and the region's many species of whales, seals, and sea birds.

And the Beaufort Sea sits right off the coast of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, itself a target of Trump's all-out oil drilling onslaught. A spill in the Beaufort could devastate the coastline of the Arctic Refuge, blanketing it with a deadly slick of toxic crude.

With the growing threat of climate change, which is warming the Arctic faster than any other part of Earth, America should be moving away from dirty fossil fuels and doubling down on clean energy.

Stop the Trump administration's new Arctic drilling plans — submit your letter today.

Last spring, thousands of NRDC supporters mobilized to send messages opposing drilling in the Arctic Refuge and Beaufort Sea. And NRDC and our allies filed a lawsuit in federal court to block this illegal oil drilling scheme, and that legal battle continues.

But Trump and Zinke are intent on moving ahead with their drive to drill in these pristine wild places. In addition to their destructive plans for the Beaufort, the Trump administration is about to release a disastrous five-year plan that will likely call for a massive expansion of oil and gas drilling along nearly all of America's precious coasts.

NRDC is prepared to fight offshore drilling on both these fronts and more. But in the meantime, please submit your Letter of Opposition to Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke demanding that he halt his department's unrelenting push to open the Beaufort to oil drilling.

Thanks again for standing with NRDC in defense of the wild Arctic, and a clean energy future."

Sincerely,
Rhea Suh
President, NRDC

onawah

15th December 2018, 21:25

WOW! Just posted the action alert quoted below yesterday targeting Zinke, and today he resigned! Activism actually works! Today's post from National Parks Conservation Association:
"Have you heard? Earlier today, Ryan Zinke announced his resignation as Secretary of the Interior.
Within weeks of his confirmation, Secretary Zinke disappointed Americans who love their public lands and waters. On his watch, America's national parks faced unprecedented threats. Zinke either turned a blind eye to these threats or caused them through his own action.
America deserves a stronger Interior Secretary. And it’s crucial that park advocates like you speak up now to remind the Senate that our next Interior Secretary must do better.
Send a message to the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee today. Let the committee know that they should only confirm a new Interior Secretary that will be a fierce defender of America’s national parks and public lands and waters. https://p2a.co/J4z58iD?resetcookie=1

The next Secretary of the Interior will have to work hard to clean up the mess Zinke has left. He or she must:

Ensure the continued protection of all public lands, including national monuments, national wildlife refuges, national parks, and especially adjacent lands that safeguard parks from inappropriate oil and gas development;
Create an inclusive atmosphere for staff and visitors of all Department of the Interior (DOI) agencies, so that all Americans feel welcome in our public lands, and that the stories found in our parks represent the full American experience;
Recognize the impacts climate change is having on our country and proactively work to ensure those impacts are addressed throughout DOI agencies;
Honor the voices, history and needs of tribes in decisions about land protection and development;
And respect the people that have dedicated their careers to protecting public lands through DOI and its agencies.
Now’s the time to speak up! Tell the Senate to confirm an Interior Secretary who will be a better advocate for America’s public lands and waters." https://p2a.co/J4z58iD?resetcookie=1

Stop Trump's Latest Arctic Oil Drilling Scheme
Submit an official comment before January 4 to Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, calling on him to keep the Beaufort Sea permanently off-limits to Big Oil & Gas.
From the NRDC Natural Resources Defense Council

(Alaska just had a huge earthquake. More drilling and oil spills they definitely don't need.)
"The Polar Bear Seas.
That's what they call the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, together home to most of Alaska's imperiled polar bear population.
The Beaufort is also the latest target of President Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's unrelenting drive to hand over our Arctic wilderness and U.S. coastlines to his oil industry allies.
Drilling in the Arctic's Beaufort Sea would be extraordinarily dangerous — the risk of oil spills there is extremely high, and cleaning up spills in such rugged and remote waters is functionally impossible.The Interior Department is formally accepting public comments on its risky drilling gambit until January. So we only have a few weeks to flood the Interior Department with thousands of citizen letters opposing drilling in the Beaufort Sea.

Take action now — submit your Letter of Opposition to Trump's Interior Department and say NO to drilling in the Beaufort Sea and all our ocean waters.
HERE: https://act.nrdc.org/letter/beaufort-sea-181213?source=EMOBEAPET&tkd=%7B%7Buser.id%7D%7D&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=actr&utm_campaign=email&t=14&tkd=315001&akid=3229%2E315001%2ELUfzwq
An oil spill in the Beaufort Sea would be disastrous for the Arctic's vulnerable wildlife, especially its threatened polar bear population and the region's many species of whales, seals, and sea birds.

And the Beaufort Sea sits right off the coast of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, itself a target of Trump's all-out oil drilling onslaught. A spill in the Beaufort could devastate the coastline of the Arctic Refuge, blanketing it with a deadly slick of toxic crude.

With the growing threat of climate change, which is warming the Arctic faster than any other part of Earth, America should be moving away from dirty fossil fuels and doubling down on clean energy.

Stop the Trump administration's new Arctic drilling plans — submit your letter today.

Last spring, thousands of NRDC supporters mobilized to send messages opposing drilling in the Arctic Refuge and Beaufort Sea. And NRDC and our allies filed a lawsuit in federal court to block this illegal oil drilling scheme, and that legal battle continues.

But Trump and Zinke are intent on moving ahead with their drive to drill in these pristine wild places. In addition to their destructive plans for the Beaufort, the Trump administration is about to release a disastrous five-year plan that will likely call for a massive expansion of oil and gas drilling along nearly all of America's precious coasts.

NRDC is prepared to fight offshore drilling on both these fronts and more. But in the meantime, please submit your Letter of Opposition to Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke demanding that he halt his department's unrelenting push to open the Beaufort to oil drilling.

Thanks again for standing with NRDC in defense of the wild Arctic, and a clean energy future."

Sincerely,
Rhea Suh
President, NRDC

Deux Corbeaux

17th December 2018, 17:37

And now,

12 Days of Trump (NOT the answer, but for FREE)....... and NOT Hillary !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1lXtZ16E5k

AutumnW

17th December 2018, 17:42

This may sound crude as hell but it's fitting, D.C. Those who feel they have been woken up, taken the red pill will find out soon enough that the real red pill is bigger and much harder to swallow. It would be indelicate for me to describe it further on a thread of my own creation. I left that for the Q thread.

onawah

22nd December 2018, 00:53

Earth rights defender SUED by Trump's lawyers
From EarthRights International email update today
12/2/18:
"Krystal Two Bulls is of the Northern Cheyenne and Oglala Lakota tribes and an Army veteran from Montana who is being sued by Trump's go-to law firm for her participation at the Dakota Access Pipeline protest at Standing Rock.In 2016, activists began a campaign to stop the Dakota Access Pipeline, citing the health and safety dangers that the project posed to nearby communities. The Standing Rock camp grew from a few protesters to a movement of thousands. Krystal Two Bulls served as a media liaison who helped communicate to the broader public about the campaign at Standing Rock.

But now, Energy Transfer Partners (ETP), the company behind the pipeline, has retaliated. Using Trump's go-to law firm, Kasowitz Benson and Torres, ETP sued the activists working to protect their lands to force them into silence.

Krystal is not the first activist that ETP, or even Trump’s law firm, has tried to silence. ETP previously sued Greenpeace, BankTrack, and the EarthFirst! movement using the same allegations as they are using against Krystal now. Using the same law firm, another company, Resolute Forest Products, sued Greenpeace, Stand.earth, and five individuals in 2016.

These lawsuits attack not only Krystal's constitutionally protected free speech, but the free speech of all activists. The message the lawsuits sends are chilling: criticize us and we'll sue you, too! This is wrong.

EarthRights International is working to stop this. With our co-counsel at Center for Constitutional Rights, we are representing Krystal in court to protect not only her First Amendment rights, but the rights of all activists who are trying to protect their homes and communities. No one should be afraid to speak their truth in fear of a lawsuit."

"Pipeline Protester Fights Back Against Corporation’s Sprawling, Outlandish Lawsuit
Lawsuit is part of broader corporate campaign to silence critics
https://earthrights.org/media/pipeline-protester-fights-back-against-corporations-sprawling-outlandish-lawsuit/

Contact:
Jen Nessel
Center for Constitutional Rights
(212) 614-6449
jnessel@ccrjustice.org

Valentina Stackl
EarthRights International
(202) 466-5188 x100
valentina@earthrights.org

December 21, 2018, Bismarck
"Krystal Two Bulls, an Oglala Lakota and Northern Cheyenne U.S. army veteran and environmental and Indigenous rights activist, today urged a federal court to dismiss a racketeering lawsuit filed against her for her role in standing for land, water, and her People against the Dakota Access Pipeline. Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the controversial pipeline at the Standing Rock Indian Reservation, sued Ms. Two Bulls, adding her to its already sprawling case after a judge dismissed two other defendants and ordered Energy Transfer to file a new complaint. The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and EarthRights International (ERI), two members of the newly formed Protect the Protest task force, represent Ms. Two Bulls in federal court in North Dakota.

Energy Transfer and its lawyers – Kasowitz Benson Torres LLP, which has repeatedly represented Donald Trump—principally alleges that Ms. Two Bulls made statements encouraging people to protest at Standing Rock and served as a liaison between the protesters and the press and public, all of which is clearly protected by the First Amendment.

Today’s filing also argues that the case against Ms. Two Bulls should be dismissed because Energy Transfer missed the deadline for serving her with a copy of the complaint and misled the court with claims that she was hiding from them. Energy Transfer lawyers filed a sworn declaration with the court, claiming Ms. Two Bulls was evading service by moving between hotels using an assumed name, when in fact a quick Google search leads to her mailing address of 20 years.

“As an Indigenous woman, a veteran and environmental and indigenous rights activist, I take my responsibility as an original steward of this land seriously. Energy Transfer continues to violate Mother Earth, disregard the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and are now trampling on my constitutional rights,” said Ms. Two Bulls. “This whole case is about silencing and intimidating those who stand for what is right and just. I will not be silenced or intimidated.”

“Missing the deadline to serve Krystal is just the latest sloppy episode in this incompetently-litigated case,” said CCR Senior Managing Attorney Shayana Kadidal. “It’s one thing to not understand the First Amendment and what activists are free to do under it, but it’s a different level to have 90 days to serve someone whose address is on Google and still blow the deadline.”

Energy Transfer’s lawsuit is an example of a SLAPP—a strategic lawsuit against public participation. SLAPPs masquerade as legitimate lawsuits, but are in fact a tactic used by corporations to intimidate and silence environmental and indigenous rights activists and others. Energy Transfer originally sued Greenpeace and others, but ERI succeeded in getting claims against BankTrack dismissed in July, and the Center for Constitutional Rights succeeded in getting the claims against Earth First! dismissed in August. The judge ordered Energy Transfer to rewrite its claims against Greenpeace, which has also filed a motion to dismiss.

“Energy Transfer failed in its first attempt to use the law against activists who have criticized its pipeline, and now it’s trying to silence Krystal for protecting land, water, and her People,” said Marco Simons, ERI’s General Counsel. “They should be ashamed of this tactic, and we have no doubt that it will backfire on the company and its lawyers.”

Despite failing to suggest that Ms. Two Bulls has committed any crimes, the lawsuit invokes the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO, a law enacted to target organized crime. It is one of two RICO cases filed by the Kasowitz firm; the other, Resolute Forest Products v. Greenpeace, has already been dismissed once by a federal court.

For more information, visit the Center for Constitutional Rights’ case page https://ccrjustice.org/home/what-we-do/our-cases/energy-transfer-equity-et-al-v-greenpeace-earth-first-et-al
and EarthRights International’s case page. https://earthrights.org/case/etp-v-krystal-two-bulls/ "

East Sun

22nd December 2018, 01:11

At least he was the answer to Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

onawah

22nd December 2018, 23:52

Pam

23rd December 2018, 12:48

I don't mind being a bit indelicate. This is a wake up call on so many levels, and once people realize it, a lot of political squabbling is going to be dropped like a hot potato, and NO politicians are talking about it yet that I am aware of:
-XltWQeV6kk

This may sound crude as hell but it's fitting, D.C. Those who feel they have been woken up, taken the red pill will find out soon enough that the real red pill is bigger and much harder to swallow. It would be indelicate for me to describe it further on a thread of my own creation. I left that for the Q thread.

More on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96561-...Climate-Change...--AKA-Global-Warming--...-is-it-a-scam&p=1265430&viewfull=1#post1265430

This may be a bit off topic, but as I was watching this video they advertised for the company, True Leaf Market. I checked it out and it has great prices on seeds for sprouting or growing microgreens. I think this will be the answer if crop production is diminished. Personally, I think sprouting will be the simplest way to obtain fresh, nutrient rich food. You can buy 35-50 pound bags which would last a really long time. Really all you need is to sprout are the seeds, water and jars. I am so glad to learn about their store.

onawah

23rd December 2018, 18:45

You can also grow sprouts indoors, like unshelled sunflower or buckwheat, wheat, barley, etc. and my favorite--whole dried peas-- in shallow trays of soil, such as the trays you get in a cafeteria, or you can use the lids from storage bins--anything with a big enough lip to keep an inch or two of soil plus water contained.
Use good compost for the best results, and feed the soil periodically with emulsion; the better the soil, the more nutritious the sprouts.
I spread plastic on the floor next to sunny windows to protect the floors, and keep the trays there during the winter months, and I use full spectrum light bulbs in all the fixtures, for light closest to sunlight.
Soak seeds overnight, then spread evenly over the soil in the trays, water, and then cover with black plastic while germinating for a day or so, until there are signs of sprouting.
Then uncover and let sprout, watering as needed.
Cut the sprouts with scissors or pull the whole sprout out of the soil and soak in water to clean the dirt off.
When it's warm enough outside, build a container outside that's enclosed with chicken wire to keep the squirrels and birds away.

onawah

4th January 2019, 03:28

This article re the unmasking of Trump certainly deserves a re-posting on this thread. Thanks to Paul's post here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100318-The-Qanon-posts-and-a-Very-Bad-Day-Scenario-for-some-elite-swamp-critters&p=1267502&viewfull=1#post1267502
Trump Is A Pied Piper For The New World Order Agenda
Thursday, 03 January 2019 12:05 by Brandon Smith
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3620-trump-is-a-pied-piper-for-the-new-world-order-agenda
http://www.alt-market.com/images/stories/piedpiper1.jpg
"In my last article, 'The Fed Is A Suicide Bomber With A Deeper Agenda', I explored and dismantled recent propaganda surrounding the Federal Reserve's tightening actions, including the propaganda that Jerome Powell is some kind of rogue central banker who is rebalancing the system for the good of the nation. To summarize the points made in that article:

The Fed deliberately created the "Everything Bubble" so that it could be deliberately imploded at the proper time - in other words, the crash we have been witnessing so far during the final quarter of 2018 and continuing into 2019 is a controlled demolition of the economy. Jerome Powell is not some "rebel" going against the easy money dictates of the Fed. Jerome Powell is playing the role that has been given to him. Ben Bernanke and Janet Yellen's job was to inflate the bubble. Jerome Powell's job is to crash the bubble.

This is a tactic used by the Fed and the globalists that run it for over 100 years - conjure a debt bubble, deflate the debt bubble, cause a crisis, siphon up hard assets for pennies on the dollar, use the panic to gain more power and centralization, introduce new control measures while everyone is distracted, rinse, repeat.

This process of controlled demolition needs a considerable distraction so that the central banks and the globalists ultimately avoid blame for the painful consequences of the event. Enter Donald Trump and the false Trump vs. Globalist paradigm. As I mentioned last week, the Fed is only one side of the equation for the crash; Trump is the other side.

Confidence games are highly varied affairs. They can be extremely simple and often obvious to everyone but the most inept and unobservant, or, they can be highly complex with many moving parts of deceit combined into a single elaborate con-machine. It is important to understand that confidence games are not just a means to steal money or valuables from unwitting people; they are also a vital part of economic manipulation, government dominance, and warfare in general. Almost all mainstream economic “authorities,” politicians, military tacticians and covert operatives are con men in one way or another.

With the exception of military tacticians acting in defense against an aggressor, con men are predominantly sociopaths. In order to carry out a “grift” against innocent people, an extreme lack of empathy is required. Understanding the mind and motivations of sociopaths and narcissistic sociopaths makes it possible to identify them faster and allows us to see their con games ahead of time.

In terms of social control, elitist con men are highly preoccupied with preventing spontaneous organization of rebellion. But this does not always involve the outright crushing of dissent. Instead, the elites prefer to use co-option and misdirection (con games) to lure rebellious movements to focus on the wrong enemy, or to trust the wrong leadership.

I am often reminded of the infiltration of the Tea Party movement by neo-conservatives in the years after the 2008 election. Neo-con-men exploited the desire among Tea Party activists for mainstream legitimacy and more widespread media coverage. They gave the activists what they wanted, by injecting their own political puppets into the movement. It did not take long for the Tea Party to abandon its initial roots in individual sovereignty and the Ron Paul campaign and adopt a decidedly statist tone. The smart people left the movement early and went on to launch their own efforts, but the goal of the establishment had been accomplished — the grass roots organized threat of the Tea Party was no more.

That said, the principles of conservative economics, small government and personal liberty remain entrenched in the American psyche and continue to grow. These ideals have a life of their own, and almost seem to act autonomously at times from any particular group or leader.

The single most important dynamo behind the rise of sovereignty activism has actually been the liberty media, or what some might call the “alternative media.” This group of people has been working tirelessly for years to inform the masses on the REAL news and data behind global events. Over time we have earned the trust of millions based on honest reporting and accurate predictions. It was only a matter of time before the establishment attempted to co-opt us as well…

The downfall of the Tea Party was a lack of cohesive leadership. There was no one there to put a stop to the neo-con infiltration. There was no one in a strong enough position to vet incoming influencers and prevent poison pills from entering the bloodstream of the movement. The problem with leadership, though, is that it denotes centralization and a bottlenecking of decisions and action. It’s quite a quandary for advocates of decentralization.

The most effective method for the establishment to sabotage a rebellion is to place one of their own puppets into a leadership position in that rebellion. This exploits the movement’s subconscious appetite for top down leadership. It neutralizes activists by tricking them into waiting for orders from on high instead of acting on their own individually. It makes a movement lazy and impotent.

The con game of false leadership goes beyond this, though. A charismatic puppet leader can trick activists into following a path completely opposite of their foundational ideals. He can turn the movement into something they would have originally despised (like turning a limited government pro-sovereignty movement into a big government pro-state cult). He can also take actions which are self-destructive, thereby making the movement appear insane or foolhardy by proxy.

I warned of this potential dynamic with Donald Trump long before the 2016 election. In fact, I predicted that Donald Trump would win the election based on the premise that the globalists were planning a grand con; to not only use Trump as a scapegoat for the crash of the “everything bubble” they had been inflating for the past 10 years, but to also use him as a pied piper to lure conservative movements into individual inaction, as well as being named as co-conspirators in the economic collapse that Trump was about to be involved in.

In my article ‘Clinton vs. Trump And The Co-Option Of The Liberty Movement,’ published in September 2016, I noted:

“To summarize, the elites need a patsy for the breakdown of the financial system they have engineered. That patsy will not be Trump per se, but conservatives in general. Whether Donald Trump is aware of this program or not, I do not know. I have no hard evidence indicating that Trump is anti-constitution; then again, I don’t have much evidence indicating he is pro-constitution. All I have at present to go by is his rhetoric, and rhetoric counts for nothing.

What I do know is that triggering a fiscal crisis under the watch of Trump and blaming conservatives is far more useful to the elites than triggering a crisis under Clinton and risk blame falling on international banking syndicates.”

The crash has now begun in the final quarter of 2018, with housing markets, auto markets and credit markets in steep decline, as well as stock markets trending into bear territory. In the same article I also stated:

“I believe Clinton is meant to lose. If this is the case and Trump is inaugurated in January of next year, the liberty movement needs to ask itself if Trump is truly an obstacle for the elites, or if he is an ally to the elites.

The Left is already salivating over the possibility that the Trump campaign will devour the liberty movement and turn it into something unrecognizable. Just take a gander at this editorial from Bloomberg called ‘The Tea Party Meets Its Maker,’ which announces the death of the “Tea Party” at the hands of Trump…”

After two years of witnessing Trump in action, it is clear to me that he is an active participant in the new world order agenda, and not just an unwitting patsy for the economic crisis.

Trump started out his presidential campaign with two very important issues. First, he argued for the need to “drain the swamp” in Washington D.C.; which included a sharp criticism of Hillary Clinton’s ties to banking elites and globalists. Second, he criticized the fraudulent state of the U.S. economy, pointing out that the stock market was in a massive bubble created by the Federal Reserve using near zero interest rates.

Trump’s first action upon entering the White House was to invite multiple “swamp creatures” into his cabinet, going against his core campaign promise. This was not all that surprising considering his past.

Trump was saved in the 1990s by Rothchild banking agent Wilber Ross, who bailed him out of his debts tied up in his failing Taj Mahal casino. Wilber Ross is now Trump’s commerce secretary. I ask, who is Trump going to be loyal to? The American people, who can offer him nothing of consequence, or the Rothschilds, who saved his public image and his billion-dollar empire?

Trump is also currently “advised” by the likes of Steven Mnuchin formerly of Goldman Sachs, Larry Kudlow formerly of the New York Fed, and John Bolton of the CFR, among others.

Trump has since flip-flopped on his economic position. Instead of warning about the huge financial bubble the Fed had created, he adopted a Twitter campaign TAKING CREDIT for the bubble for the past two years.

Some people will argue that Trump has placed blame on the Fed and exposed their operations, but this is theater based on selective observations. Trump continues to set himself up as the fulcrum or source of the current crash. Just this week his administration called the market decline a "little glitch" which would be solved once a trade deal with China was solidified. In other words, Trump is saying the trade war is the cause of the crash, not the Fed. Trump then at the same time blames the Fed.

Confusing? Not really, when you understand that Trump is part of a grand con game.

If Trump was truly interested in bringing down the globalists, then he would not be consistently providing them with such perfect cover for their crimes. I have been warning for the past year that the trade war is a perfect distraction for the public as the Fed unwinds QE and raises interest rates to kill the Everything Bubble. Trump continues to attach his administration to stock market performance while also blaming stock declines on his own trade conflicts with China. But what about Trump's supposed battle with the Fed? It's all wrestle-mania.

As the stock rally crumbled in the final quarter of 2018, the script that Trump would follow in response was also rather predictable.

In my article ‘In A Battle Between Trump And The Fed, Who Really Wins,’ published in February 2017, I reminded readers that the goal of the Fed is a controlled demolition of the U.S. economy and the dollar to open the door for the “global reset.” The reset is the event that the globalists hope will allow them to introduce a single global currency system and single world economy with the IMF and perhaps the BIS at the helm.

In my article ‘Trump vs. The Fed: America Sacrificed At The NWO Altar,’ I outlined the details of the con game. The globalists WANT to sacrifice the Fed and the dollar to make way for their new world order system, but they cannot do this in a vacuum. They need a distraction. Trump’s “battle with the fed” will likely escalate into a full-blown war. But Trump’s position against the Fed is not honorable.

According to the narrative, Trump is not going after the Fed because it has created the everything bubble and is now deliberately imploding it. Trump is going after the Fed because he wants the Fed to make the everything bubble even bigger by continuing to prop up a stock rally that Trump has attached to the success of his presidency. Trump will be painted as a spoiled baby in the mainstream, throwing a tantrum and attacking the “innocent” central bankers who were only trying to “normalize markets.”

In the meantime, the globalists can slowly kill the world reserve status of the dollar while avoiding the blame for the severe economic consequences this will produce. A conflict between the White House and the central bank will be presented as a sign that faith in U.S. debt and the longevity of the dollar is a bad bet. Foreign holders of dollars and T-bills, already quietly dumping these assets, will accelerate the decoupling. Trump’s trade war activities add to the distraction, creating a brilliant theater in which conservatives are conned into supporting a puppet leader on the verge of collapse, and confirming the crazed arguments against conservative principles in the minds of globalists and leftists.

The con game is to get liberty advocates to invest themselves fully in Trump, to the point that we end up owning every mistake he makes, and every disaster that is pinned on him. There is a concerted propaganda campaign targeting the liberty movement which is telling us that Trump is playing “4D Chess;” that Trump is planning a “coup” against the banking elites, that Trump is planning to bring down the Fed as a means to save the U.S., and even that Trump is working with Jerome Powell to crash the globalist system as a means to “restore the Republic.”

While Trump throws a bone to conservatives at times, including promises of a border wall, or a pull-out in Syria, there is no evidence to support the fantasy that Trump is some kind of ingenious tactician battling the the forces of evil using his wits while inside the system. But, there is considerable evidence as I have linked above supporting my position that Trump is controlled opposition working with the globalists to initiate a collapse that will be blamed on conservative ideals and limited government liberty activists. We shall see in due course. It is unfortunate though how many otherwise very intelligent people within the liberty movement have bought into Trump as a hero on a white horse.

The activists and alternative media are the real heroes. They are the people that pushed liberty philosophy into the mainstream. Trump merely rode the wave that they created. Even if he was a legitimate conservative and constitutionalist (which he is not), the movement doesn’t need his leadership. It never did. The globalists know this and hope to chain us to Trump as he sinks into historical oblivion, destroying us all in the process."

ripple

4th January 2019, 13:38

The nub of the above long winded and verbose Brandon Smith article is this, imho :--
QUOTE
The most effective method for the establishment to sabotage a rebellion is to place one of their own puppets into a leadership position in that rebellion. This exploits the movement’s subconscious appetite for top down leadership. It neutralizes activists by tricking them into waiting for orders from on high instead of acting on their own individually. It makes a movement lazy and impotent.

The con game of false leadership goes beyond this, though. A charismatic puppet leader can trick activists into following a path completely opposite of their foundational ideals. He can turn the movement into something they would have originally despised (like turning a limited government pro-sovereignty movement into a big government pro-state cult). He can also take actions which are self-destructive, thereby making the movement appear insane or foolhardy by proxy.
END OF QUOTE

If this were true , and in order to continue and prolong the 'scam ', why would the Elite allow anything to be raised which completely unmasked their plant , The Donald , as a phoney and traitor to the populist cause ?
Yet apparently this is precisely what they have done and this makes no sense whatsoever .
That is , for the scam to continue , specificity must always be avoided .No short term promises should ever be put to a rigid time test
YET , apparently , any moment indictments are to be activated .
Prison barges are to be utilised
Guantanamo is going to be filled .
In camera military tribunals will commence .
Martial law will declared as required .
Etc x Etc
In my eyes this Brandon Smith piece is poppycock because it is self contradictory . That is -- the proposition asserts --- you insert The Donald as your master double agent but then incredibly you also do and /or allow everything conceivable to undermine this exact claimed position and thereby guarantee failure of the original plot .
I personally could not care less whether Mister Trump is a man who often walks on water , is an Elite plant or just the consummate scam artist working closely with his past mentors the Rothschild family . But I like internal consistency in my conspiracy narratives or some compelling reasons why there need not be any .

onawah

4th January 2019, 19:48

ripple

4th January 2019, 20:04

If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

onawah

4th January 2019, 20:13

We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do so, unlike any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

ripple

4th January 2019, 20:33

We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

I would be delighted to be shown to be mistaken .
However difficult you may , or may not , find it to accept , I am completely open minded in principle . But I am not disposed to make a leap of faith just because others have .At least imo .
This Forum clearly has some very clever and experienced specialists as members . It would be arrogant of me not to listen to their opinions first hand and in detail . So far I consider it a delight and privilege .
But equally I will not accept discriminatory language based solely on the fact that I am not following 'party lines ' . And I am sure you do not disagree with my open minded position .

onawah

4th January 2019, 21:04

I am very open minded, actually. When I first joined this forum, I thought Icke's ideas about shape shifters were quite ridiculous.
But after years of studying his work and other credible whistleblowers such as Richard Dolan C.A. Fitts, Bob Dean, etc. etc., not to mention Experiencers, Abducteers, Targeted Individuals, etc. etc. on this forum and elsewhere, my opinions have changed, and changed again, and undoubtedly will continue to change.
I don't apply words such as gibberish or fantasizing anymore unless after long research.

We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.

If creating chaos and confusion ( or "Loosh") is the ultimate goal, then we should not expect things to make a lot of sense.
If the whole NWO game was actually devised by off-world entities, their motivations will logically be more obscure to us than any of our own devising.
imho

If ' loosh' was true , then writing in Forums and generally discussing likely strategies is a complete and utter waste of time !! ??
But bringing 'off - world entities ' into the premise is just a variation on the , " What if .. " game and is a mix of fantasy and gibberish , imho.
Pointless because it could continue forever and is irrational .
On the other hand I would say that the whole history of Elite inspired False Flags is an uninterrupted narrative of stupidity and amateurism .Because they are always found out . To now believe that we are faced by a completely brand new team of clever and thorough experts and specialists is not just a step too far , it is a million miles too far .Again , imho .

I would be delighted to be shown to be mistaken .
However difficult you may , or may not , find it to accept , I am completely open minded in principle . But I am not disposed to make a leap of faith just because others have .At least imo .
This Forum clearly has some very clever and experienced specialists as members . It would be arrogant of me not to listen to their opinions first hand and in detail . So far I consider it a delight and privilege .
But equally I will not accept discriminatory language based solely on the fact that I am not following 'party lines ' . And I am sure you do not disagree with my open minded position .

ripple

4th January 2019, 21:28

[QUOTE=onawah;1267679]I am very open minded, actually. When I first joined this forum, I thought Icke's ideas about shape shifters were quite ridiculous.
But after years of studying his work and other credible whistleblowers such as Richard Dolan C.A. Fitts, Bob Dean, etc. etc., not to mention Experiencers, Abducteers, Targeted Individuals, etc. etc. on this forum and elsewhere, my opinions have changed, and changed again, and undoubtedly will continue to change.
I don't apply words such as gibberish or fantasizing anymore unless after long research.
We have devoted quite a lot of time over the years on this forum, with testimony from various whistleblowers such as David Icke, to exploration of the premise that the "ruling families" have been controlled by off world entities for a very long time, and why that is.
I don't think anyone, included the founder of the forum, Bill Ryan, would have done so if we considered it to be a total waste of time.
On the contrary, I think it's a perfect time to explore those possibilities, given that we have more information and an excellent platform from which to do, unlike at any other time in recent history.
If you consider such speculation to be gibberish or fantasizing, I can't help but wonder why you have joined this forum.QUOTE

Now you could be accused of being patronising --- but i don't imagine that was intended .
So I will let you into a secret although I am not yet prepared to give support details ;-
I have been 'at it' longer than you .
Now there's a bold statement . But I am open to a big wager that I am right and by some distance .
Regardless , we both have declared ourselves and hopefully we will continue to meet in an excellent spirit .
Incidentally , my use of the terms , 'fantasy and gibberish' referred to the principle of extending a discussion by repeatedly adding , 'What If ' extras . it was not specifically directed at the suggestion that geopolitics is regulated by off-world entities , though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted .

onawah

4th January 2019, 22:03

Now, how could you possibly know how long I have been "at it"?
I don't recall adding any "what ifs" to the discussion.
Sorry, no comprehende; re you will have to more clear than that : "though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted"

Now you could be accused of being patronising --- but i don't imagine that was intended .
So I will let you into a secret although I am not yet prepared to give support details ;-
I have been 'at it' longer than you .
Now there's a bold statement . But I am open to a big wager that I am right and by some distance .
Regardless , we both have declared ourselves and hopefully we will continue to meet in an excellent spirit .
Incidentally , my use of the terms , 'fantasy and gibberish' referred to the principle of extending a discussion by repeatedly adding , 'What If ' extras . it was not specifically directed at the suggestion that geopolitics is regulated by off-world entities , though I contend that you later defended Brandon Smith's position by introducing that as 'an extra ' . And unless my ancillary course in Logic has been totally forgotten , that is not permitted .

East Sun

5th January 2019, 00:04

I asked a number of times, "answer to WHAT"?

A question or statement like yours deserves an appropriate answer.

He has answered a number of times and will continues to answer, so answer my question, answer to what?

onawah

5th January 2019, 00:12

Who are you addressing, East Sun?
I asked a number of times, "answer to WHAT"?

A question or statement like yours deserves an appropriate answer.

He has answered a number of times and will continues to answer, so answer my question, answer to what?

ripple

5th January 2019, 08:22

Now, how could you possibly know how long I have been "at it"?

That is something that you will have to think about .
Facts . I am not a fool and I have also given you the info that I gamble selectively and I consider any such wager a"steal ". About a 100% win chance .
Ask , why would someone , who otherwise appears careful , make what appears to be a rash call ? Or , better, what conditions are needed for him ------ ?
Separately , the , 'what if .. ' is the off-planet entities add on .
I don't think we should be cluttering this perfectly good topic with our private banter and differences .

ripple

5th January 2019, 08:30

I prefer this to the Brandon Smith approach . It completely covers my long held belief which is exactly why I offer it .

In our interview ( SomeStuffMatters ) with Sacha Stone, he says the "deep state" has already lost, and credits the Trump administration and Putin legacy for “ratting out the Babylonian Priesthood.”
QUOTE
“The intelligence agencies of the world are largely responsible for human trafficking and pedophile rings—and drugs and guns and gold—but good people within those agencies have come together and appear to be ratting out the nefarious elements. That, I think, is a signature of where we're at right now, as a civilization. Good people within these government agencies and even within the deep state of the military intellectual complex—good military brass and good intelligence officers—are coming together and ratting out, cleaning house themselves. That is absolutely a signature of 2018-2019. Actually, I'd say it's a signature of the Trump administration and certainly the Putin legacy as well. I think history will reflect that Putin and Trump are two living men of the living soil who have managed to rat out the Babylonian Priesthood, one way or the other, and that's not necessarily a testament to their own vision and their own noble expression, but they are certainly the totems that are at the front of the incumbencies of the Russian presidency and the American presidency that have aligned for the first time, I believe, in history."

East Sun

5th January 2019, 14:52

The original poster, onawah...

Jayke

5th January 2019, 17:17

Does anyone here follow Karen Hudes?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KarenHudes

She claims to be a lawyer for The Global Debt Facility, which is, allegedly, an organisation working to prevent the global economic collapse that the banksters have planned. I have no idea if she’s legit, but she does have lots of fascinating intel on deep state structure and power dynamics, much of which aligns well with my own independent research.

In one of her latest PDF releases she claims Trump is aligned with the Knights of Malta, and that Q is a psyop to keep people distracted from the economic fight that’s going down between the banksters who want chaos, and the good guys who are trying to make a smooth transition as the Debt bubble bursts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter1.3.19.1.pdf

ripple

5th January 2019, 17:34

onawah

5th January 2019, 17:58

I won't be thinking about it, Ripple.
I am not a Q fan, and your cryptic messages hold the same dissonant vibe for me as Q.
BTW, it is considered good forum manners to provide links for the material you are quoting.

Jayke

5th January 2019, 18:51

Does anyone here follow Karen Hudes?

She claims to be a lawyer for The Global Debt Facility, which is, allegedly, an organisation working to prevent the global economic collapse that the banksters have planned. I have no idea if she’s legit, but she does have lots of fascinating intel on deep state structure and power dynamics, much of which aligns well with my own independent research.

In one of her latest PDF releases she claims Trump is aligned with the Knights of Malta, and that Q is a psyop to keep people distracted from the economic fight that’s going down between the banksters who want chaos, and the good guys who are trying to make a smooth transition as the Debt bubble bursts.

You should consider researching this lady . Here is the result of one such researcher's findings -- summary position only .
QUOTE
Both Karen and her husband are Marxist Jews. Karen is very careful never to reveal anything about her Ashkenazi Jewish background, family, private interests. Karen worked for the World Bank, controlled by Jews, as a senior lawyer for many years and her husband has also worked for the World Bank as well. So how come, all of a sudden, she leaves the World Bank to become a “whistle-blower” exposing corruption at the the World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, US Justice system and US government? – attacking her own fellow Jews? – it simply doesn’t make sense does it?

The real truth is she is a Jewish ‘disinformation agent’ or ambassador of the bankers themselves working for the British. What she is saying is briefly this: “I am here to forewarn you all that the old, out-dated, corrupt, Bretton Woods banking system has had its day, and is about to be replaced with a new world order financial system and World Currency Unit.” It is really as simple as that.
END OF QUOTE

And I find it believable . But I also believe that Trump has been similarly converted and also has connections with the Knights of Malta -- not in itself a black mark .imho .But perhaps surprising given his own deep Jewish connections stretching back to his grandfather's upbringing in Germany -- of all places . Just like the Bush family , albeit through adoption .

I was skeptical as soon as she said she received her law degree at Yale, which is always a red flag, but some of the intel she’s giving away does seem to be fairly legit. I’ll keep her in the ‘Benjamin Fulford’ camp of believability for now, and see how well her assertions pan out.

I have been swaying more to the ‘Babylonian Brotherhood’ are organised by a different species of humans recently. Not so much aliens, as more like an older species of human that have been interplanetary since the time of the Vedic vimanas. A larger headed species, maybe a Basque Alumbrados faction, that have been manipulating the Zionist and Talmudist movements, ever since Moses was booted out of Egypt and settled the tribe of Judah in Meroe. There’s a Jewish guy whose research I respect, who introduced me to the idea that Meroe, in Sudan, may have had off world contact with Meroz, an old Jewish name for Mars. Sounds pretty crazy, but it would explain some of the more anomalous data points I’ve gathered over the years:

http://alternativegenhist.blogspot.com/2018/12/meroz-and-amalek-martian-rivals.html

The white Massaites of Ishmael (of I y-dna) had settled in Europe after the Ice Age (1350 BC onwards). The I y-dna clade of Massaites and their rivals the E1b Amu or Amalekites were the inhabitants of Meroz (Mars) mentioned in the time of the Judges, in the Bible, who returned to Earth after 1350 BC when cataclysmic events struck both Mars and Earth, connected with the coming of a Comet.

The Massaites had established a base in Europe and the Pyramid structures in the Crimea and Bosnia were part of their kingdom in the period around 1850 BC. Joseph may have learnt about Pyramids and the advanced culture of the Ishmaelite Tribe of Massa from the Ishmaelites who bought him off the Midianites (Genesis 37:28). It may have been in conjunction with them that he developed his Pyramid project for Egypt and that some of the R1a y-dna Ephraimites, R1b Zebulonites and the I y-dna Massaites established the Kingdom of Olympus or Valhalla on Mars as a base to the interstellar human colonies in the Pleiades region. It was from these Massaites that the later Royal Assyrians (I2c y-dna), Sarmatians (I2 y-dna) and Vikings or Assir (I1 y-dna) would descend.

Trump, ever the pragmatist, knows how to work with multiple factions to make progress with his own agenda, I’m sure. And there’s still enough signs of progress being made against the deep state for me to remain hopeful of a positive outcome—averting a disastrous financial collapse for instance—in the process.

Does Trump serve the interests of humanity? or has he sold us out to an off planet elite like the majority of our useless Western politicians seem to have done?

I still feel humanities long overdue another Renaissance period, once the rising wave of nationalism has sufficiently eroded the most nefarious aspect of the globalist order.

onawah

19th January 2019, 21:23

Satori

19th January 2019, 22:02

onawah

19th January 2019, 22:23

They are wearing Make America Great Again hats, and coming from a Catholic school.
Apparently those present at the event felt there was a connection, and I think they would know better than we, who were not.
They are also a product of our nations' leader's actions, and he has been very aggressive towards Native Americans and the environment.

I fail to see how their behavior can be attributed to Trump. They and they alone are responsible for their behavior. At best, or worst, they are the product of those who reared them and their own choices.

AutumnW

19th January 2019, 23:28

I fail to see how their behavior can be attributed to Trump. They and they alone are responsible for their behavior. At best, or worst, they are the product of those who reared them and their own choices.

Come come now, Satori. We are products of our political culture and social milieu as well. Trump has repeatedly demonized caravans of migrants from Central Ameica as "terrorists," (for example) when this is completely untrue. He has helped stir seeds of mob mentality in some of his base. To suggest otherwise isn't fair or balanced.

onawah

19th January 2019, 23:38

The issue I am most concerned with at present is Trump's treatment of the Native Americans, in particular the people of Standing Rock, and the example that is setting for US youth, who probably have no idea of how shockingly they have been treated since Europeans first came to American shores.
And thanks in part to Trump's policies, I doubt very much that they would care even if they did know.
There undoubtedly are a lot of terrorists in those caravans of migrants, and that is a similar issue, since it is our own government's aggression in Central America in large part that have helped to create the crisis there.
But to my mind, it's how badly the indigenous people of our own country have been treated that is even worse, and that's not getting nearly enough public attention, imho.

AutumnW

19th January 2019, 23:49

Onawah, there aren't terrorists in those caravans. The few terrorists in the U.S. come off planes from the Middle East. There is no jihadist religious fervour propelling movement out of Central America. Though, by rights, you couldn't blame those from places like El Slavador, if they were in a fury.

I believe those who have Netflix can watch the Ken Burns documentary called, "The West," for education about how native Americans were treated. Beyond horrible.

onawah

19th January 2019, 23:58

My thinking on that score is obviously based on different sources of info than yours. It wouldn't surprise me at all, as some sources claim, that Soros is helping to fund those caravans, and making them as toxic as he possibly can.
Onawah, there aren't terrorists in those caravans. The few terrorists in the U.S. come off planes from the Middle East. There is no jihadist religious fervour propelling movement out of Central America. Though, by rights, you couldn't blame those from places like El Slavador, if they were in a fury.

I believe those who have Netflix can watch the Ken Burns documentary called, "The West," for education about how native Americans were treated. Beyond horrible.

I certainly agree 200% about how "beyond horrible" the N.A. have been treated! It's a national disgrace, and very, very bad karma.
It hurts to see those callow youth acting so disrespectfully and ignorantly, and I hold Trump responsible for that in some part.
That doesn't mean ( I probably have to repeat it each time I post on this thread) that I think everything he is doing is wrong!
But enough certainly is wrong to make it necessary to speak out...

onawah

20th January 2019, 02:14

Nathan Phillips Indigenous Peoples March
posted 18 minutes ago 1/19/19

"This is a video from the moments before yesterday's incident, in which MAGA (Make American Great Again) hat -wearing youth jeered at elder #NathanPhillips while he ceremonially sang and drummed.
This crowd of high school aged boys, attending the March for Life, were taunting and trying to overpower a group of Native Americans, including two elders. There were a large number of students, with no apparent adult chaperones in sight.
Stand with us in asking President Trump to condemn the brutish and racist behaviors exhibited yesterday on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial: https://www.lakotalaw.org/our-actions/end-racism "
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And just following that, this happened ( as posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1270496&viewfull=1#post1270496)
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Very egregious behavior.

onawah

21st January 2019, 04:46

Media Wildly Mischaracterized Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran
Journalists who uncritically accepted Nathan Phillips' story got this completely wrong.
Jan. 20, 2019 https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video

( This is in reference to the posts above about the recent incident in D.C.
The account in this post reads more like someone wrote it for the Catholic high school student, but no big deal if the account is true, and it's certainly a far cry from the initial media reports!
Also a relief--no doubt a lot of people were disturbed by what we were being told had happened, when apparently it was more a matter of confusion getting the upper hand in a tense situation, not high school students showing early signs of becoming sociopaths.)
"Partial video footage of students from a Catholic high school allegedly harassing a Native American veteran after the anti-abortion March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., over the weekend quickly went viral, provoking widespread condemnation of the kids on social media. Various media figures and Twitter users called for them to be doxed, shamed, or otherwise punished, and school administrators said they would consider expulsion.

But the rest of the video—nearly two hours of additional footage showing what happened before and after the encounter—adds important context that strongly contradicts the media's narrative.

Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.

Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.

One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a "hate factory" and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist, and member of the Ku Klux Klan. I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him, not the other way around.

And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.

You can judge for yourself. Here is video footage of the full incident, from the perspective of the black nationalists. Phillips enters the picture around the 1:12 mark, but if you skip to that part, you miss an hour of the Black Hebrew Israelites hurling obscenities at the students. They call them crackers, faggots, and pedophiles. At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word and tell him that his friends are going to murder him and steal his organs. At the 1:25 mark, they complain that "you give faggots rights," which prompted booing from the students. Throughout the video they threaten the kids with violence, and attempt to goad them into attacking first. The students resisted these taunts admirably: They laughed at the hecklers, and they perform a few of their school's sports cheers.

It was at this moment that Phillips, who had attended a nearby peace protest led by indigenous peoples, decided to intervene. He would later tell The Detroit Free Press that the teenagers "were in the process of attacking these four black individuals" and he decided to attempt to de-escalate the situation. He seems profoundly mistaken: The video footage taken by the black nationalists shows no evidence the white teenagers had any intention of attacking. Nevertheless, Phillips characterized the kids as "beasts" and the hate-group members as "their prey":

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

Again, all the evidence suggests that Phillips got it backward.

He also claimed that he heard chants of "build the wall." While I cannot rule out the possibility that some of the kids indeed chanted this—those who were wearing MAGA hats are presumably Trump supporters—I did not hear a single utterance of the phrase in the nearly two hours of video footage I watched. Admittedly, the kids do a lot of chanting and it's not always possible to tell what they are saying. Their stated explanation is that they engaged in a series of school sports chants: That's what one student told a local news reporter. His account largely tracks with the video.

"We are an all-male school that loves to get hyped up," said this student. "And as we have done for years prior, we decided to do some cheers to pass time. In the midst of our cheers, we were approached by a group of adults led by Nathan Phillips, with Phillips beating his drum. They forced their way to the center of our group. We initially thought this was a cultural display since he was beating along to our cheers and so we clapped to the beat." According to this student, the smiling student was grinning because he was enjoying the music, but eventually became confused, along with everyone else. (Indeed, multiple people can be heard to shout, "what is going on?")

It would be impossible to definitively state that none of the young men did anything wrong, offensive, or problematic, at some point, and maybe the smiling student was attempting to intimidate Phillips. But there's shockingly little evidence of wrongdoing, unless donning a Trump hat and standing in a group of other people doing the same is now an act of harassment or violence. Phillips' account, meanwhile, is at best flawed, and arguably deliberately misleading.

Unless other information emerges, the school's best move would be to have a conversation with the boys about the incident, perhaps discuss some strategies for remaining on perfect behavior at highly charged political rallies—where everybody is recording everything on a cell phone—and let that be the end of it.

The boys are undoubtedly owed an apology from the numerous people who joined this social media pile-on. This is shaping up to be one of the biggest major media misfires in quite some time.

Updated at 8:30 p.m.: Nick Sandmann, the Covington student in the middle of the controversy, has released a statement. Here it is in full:

I am providing this factual account of what happened on Friday afternoon at the Lincoln Memorial to correct misinformation and outright lies being spread about my family and me.

I am the student in the video who was confronted by the Native American protestor. I arrived at the Lincoln Memorial at 4:30 p.m. I was told to be there by 5:30 p.m., when our busses were due to leave Washington for the trip back to Kentucky. We had been attending the March for Life rally, and then had split up into small groups to do sightseeing.

When we arrived, we noticed four African American protestors who were also on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. I am not sure what they were protesting, and I did not interact with them. I did hear them direct derogatory insults at our school group.

The protestors said hateful things. They called us "racists," "bigots," "white crackers," "faggots," and "incest kids." They also taunted an African American student from my school by telling him that we would "harvest his organs." I have no idea what that insult means, but it was startling to hear.

Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group. The chants are commonly used at sporting events. They are all positive in nature and sound like what you would hear at any high school. Our chaperone gave us permission to use our school chants. We would not have done that without obtaining permission from the adults in charge of our group.

At no time did I hear any student chant anything other than the school spirit chants. I did not witness or hear any students chant "build that wall" or anything hateful or racist at any time. Assertions to the contrary are simply false. Our chants were loud because we wanted to drown out the hateful comments that were being shouted at us by the protestors.

After a few minutes of chanting, the Native American protestors, who I hadn't previously noticed, approached our group. The Native American protestors had drums and were accompanied by at least one person with a camera.

The protestor everyone has seen in the video began playing his drum as he waded into the crowd, which parted for him. I did not see anyone try to block his path. He locked eyes with me and approached me, coming within inches of my face. He played his drum the entire time he was in my face.

I never interacted with this protestor. I did not speak to him. I did not make any hand gestures or other aggressive moves. To be honest, I was startled and confused as to why he had approached me. We had already been yelled at by another group of protestors, and when the second group approached I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers.

I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand.

During the period of the drumming, a member of the protestor's entourage began yelling at a fellow student that we "stole our land" and that we should "go back to Europe." I heard one of my fellow students begin to respond. I motioned to my classmate and tried to get him to stop engaging with the protestor, as I was still in the mindset that we needed to calm down tensions.

I never felt like I was blocking the Native American protestor. He did not make any attempt to go around me. It was clear to me that he had singled me out for a confrontation, although I am not sure why.

The engagement ended when one of our teachers told me the busses had arrived and it was time to go. I obeyed my teacher and simply walked to the busses. At that moment, I thought I had diffused the situation by remaining calm, and I was thankful nothing physical had occurred.

I never understood why either of the two groups of protestors were engaging with us, or exactly what they were protesting at the Lincoln Memorial. We were simply there to meet a bus, not become central players in a media spectacle. This is the first time in my life I've ever encountered any sort of public protest, let alone this kind of confrontation or demonstration.

I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me – to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.

I harbor no ill will for this person. I respect this person's right to protest and engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.

I am being called every name in the book, including a racist, and I will not stand for this mob-like character assassination of my family's name. My parents were not on the trip, and I strive to represent my family in a respectful way in all public settings.

I have received physical and death threats via social media, as well as hateful insults. One person threatened to harm me at school, and one person claims to live in my neighborhood. My parents are receiving death and professional threats because of the social media mob that has formed over this issue.

I love my school, my teachers and my classmates. I work hard to achieve good grades and to participate in several extracurricular activities. I am mortified that so many people have come to believe something that did not happen – that students from my school were chanting or acting in a racist fashion toward African Americans or Native Americans. I did not do that, do not have hateful feelings in my heart, and did not witness any of my classmates doing that.

I cannot speak for everyone, only for myself. But I can tell you my experience with Covington Catholic is that students are respectful of all races and cultures. We also support everyone's right to free speech. I am not going to comment on the words or account of Mr. Phillips, as I don't know him and would not presume to know what is in his heart or mind. Nor am I going to comment further on the other protestors, as I don't know their hearts or minds, either.

I have read that Mr. Phillips is a veteran of the United States Marines. I thank him for his service and am grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. If anyone has earned the right to speak freely, it is a U.S. Marine veteran.

I can only speak for myself and what I observed and felt at the time. But I would caution everyone passing judgement based on a few seconds of video to watch the longer video clips that are on the internet, as they show a much different story than is being portrayed by people with agendas.

I provided this account of events to the Diocese of Covington so they may know exactly what happened, and I stand ready and willing to cooperate with any investigation they are conducting."

Deux Corbeaux

21st January 2019, 07:51

There are always more sides to a story.
Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLL9bOgCTjE

A Voice from the Mountains

21st January 2019, 09:38

Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.

In regards to what that one black adult man is yelling at the teenagers at around 4 minutes in the video, that the video editor put "LOL ACCURATE" above, that's actually not that accurate. For one thing, homosexuality, and feminine homosexuals in particular, were frowned upon in ancient Greece. Most people probably aren't aware that Athens actually had laws against it, for example. The popular conceptions to the contrary are largely a creation of popular media and historical distortions since the 1800s. The Romans were repulsed by even the more "masculine" forms of it in Greece, and were much more restrained and stoic in their general demeanor. What debauched emperors like Caligula did in their palaces was an entirely different animal than what the commoners were into.

All that aside... Here's an interesting and relevant bit from Orwell's 1984:

https://i.imgur.com/8GZ2ls4.png

If the radicals continue in this direction, "face crime" will be the next thing. Leftists are already blowing up all over twitter because the white boy didn't cower in fear when the Indian came up and beat his drum in his face. Just the act of him standing there and smiling back is apparently now an act of white supremacy and hate crime.

Face crime!

Pam

21st January 2019, 12:58

Outrage as Students in MAGA hats mocking & harassing Native American at indigenous peoples' march
Truly disgusting behavior on the part of these students.
This certainly does Trump and "The Wall" no credit.
But it's hardly surprising considering his policies and actions against Native Americans and the people of Standing Rock in particular.
Evidently this is the result of the example he is setting for the youth of this country...
Sure, "Trump's not perfect, no one is", etc. etc....but it's no exaggeration to say that this shocking, disrespectful behavior leaves a lot of room for improvement.

You can't necessarily believe every little snippet you see on the internet. These are comments about from people that say the 2 hour "complete" video.

I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

Julia Blog
Published on Jan 19, 2019
The videos posted on Twitter by people yesterday show students allegedly from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky mocking an elderly Native American protester, while he is playing a drum and singing songs.

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You can't necessarily believe every little snippet you see on the internet. These are comments about from people that say the 2 hour "complete" video.

I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

I watched the video just a lil while ago. The kid did just literally stand there and do nothing. I've heard that he was "mocking" the Native fellow. I've heard that he "attacked" the Native fellow. The only thing I see him doing is standing there practically motionless. If the kid stands there and the Native fellow wades through the crowd to get to the point where the kid is standing is he supposed to be obliged to move aside or something? It just seems like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

There was no #MAGA mob hounding a Native American
Mult Native Americans instigated an incident walking into a peaceful group of kids & taunting one chanting & drumming inches fm his face

No one said "Build the Wall"
& if anything
That kid deserves a peace medal

Phillips, an elder of Nebraska's Omaha tribe confirmed he had walked up and there was no exchange in the manner CNN had said. CNN and Buzzfeed have a history of printing first and verifying later.

So much of this divisive stuff is just videos taken out of context so someone can validate their take on reality and/or have a video go "viral". Ask yourself how you felt when you saw the diminished version of this video? Righteous indignation? Did you immediately associate his supposed behavior with the hat he was wearing? Why not attribute his supposed behavior to the Catholic school he was attending?... Lot's of good possibilities for self introspection on this one. Don't think I am excluding myself from this, I'm sure I have done the same thing a billion times.

One more thing, if the kid had a bit of a smile on his face, he is after all a teen ager in front of his friends. If someone is approaching him directly he still has to save face, if that is still allowed. And I didn't write this to promote Trump.

onawah

21st January 2019, 19:12

The whole story , or as much as we are likely to see, has been pieced together here along with more videos https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/the-whole-story-before-and-after-video-of-nathan-phillips-magayouth-and-more-_O6lTVo8M0muOgi6Foug-w/
(as it turns out, the boys were not so innocent after all)

The whole story: Before and after video of Nathan Phillips, #MAGAyouth and more

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by Vincent Schilling

"Controversy is brewing over the incident, but videos provided to Indian Country Today by Kaya Taitano show a clear story

As social media has exploded over the weekend regarding the video-captured incident of Catholic High School students mocking Native American elder and Vietnam-era veteran Nathan Phillips, four videos provide to Indian Country Today by Kaya Taitano show a clear story of what happened prior, during and after the incident that has now been shared worldwide.

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VIDEO: Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder

The Native man is Nathan Phillips, an Omaha keeper of a sacred pipe and a Vietnam Veteran. https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/outrage-as-non-native-youth-wearing-maga-hats-taunt-and-disrespect-native-elder-jy7UVwdg8kK2uvT0L-JOig/ …

Story by @VinceSchilling
Jan 19, 2019

Nathan Phillips told Indian Country Today in an interview on Saturday that he had gone into the situation, then realized he might be in a precarious position once he stepped in between the crowds of people.

See related: An interview with Nathan Phillips on the #MAGAYouth incident
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/an-interview-with-nathan-phillips-on-the-magayouth-incident-7wUkJHLjtUa2-k2Fx14MvQ/

Video 1 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples March #MAGAyouth, Nathan Phillips and others

On Sunday, several media outlets reported that the mother of the Covington Catholic High School student who stood face to face with Nathan Phillips had blamed the incident on “Black Muslims” who were standing at the base of the Lincoln Memorial while the students were standing on the stairs. Others on social media stated the men identified themselves as “Black Israelites.”

For a brief moment at the beginning of the video, a priest is seen watching from behind the boys.

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In an email to a Heavy.com reporter and article, the mother wrote in an email, “Shame on you! Were you there? Did you hear the names the people where calling these boys? It was shameful. Did you witness the black Muslims yelling profanities and video taping trying to get something to futher (sic) your narrative of hatred?? Did you know that this “man” came up to this one boy and drummed in his face? Shame on you. Only reporting what you want. More fake news.”

In the video, the interactions can be seen and heard. The men, since identified as “Black Israelites” say things like “We have angels around us,” and “This is what Makes America Great Again,” while pointing at the crowd of high school students.

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The high school students continue to yell and scream and one boy removes his shirt as the excitement of the boys grows.

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Nathan Phillips enters in between the crowd and the Black Israelites singing a prayer song, known as the AIM song.

Phillips told Indian Country Today he admitted that he didn't really realize what he had gotten into until he was in the middle of it.

He said, “What am I doing?” You know? But this is the commitment when I picked up the pipe 27 years ago. It's for the next generation. It’s when that moment comes and you got to stand your ground. That commitment that you made to either fulfill that or you don't. I mean, I was scared and I didn't want to. I really, I really didn't want to, but nobody else was.”

https://vimeo.com/312330750Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

Update: Further video footage found.

Video footage posted on the patheos blog site titled "LETTERS FROM THE EDGE OF ELFLAND" shows the four men yelling expletives to Indigenous people at the march telling them that "God took away their land" for worshiping animals and that the word "Indian means savage." They also insult Native elders, women and men.

The men who are described as "Black Israelites, call the high school students 'dirty ass crackers' - One of the men also asks when is the last time a non-white person shoots up a school.

The author of the site post, David Russell Mosely describes egregious behavior by the men in the video.

"The video begins with a group of men shouting a variety of racial slurs mixed with Bible passages announcing that God has judged America and that now is a time for hate. Roman Catholics are called out for being pedophiles and faggots. Native Americans are called out for worshipping eagles, phoenixes, buffalo, and the wind. Blacks, hispanics, and Native Americans are all told that they are not black, hispanic, or Natives, rather they are the “Children of Israel.” This term does not apply to the people currently living in Israel, those who call themselves Jews, or white people.

Soon these men begin calling the students “dusty crackers” and products of incest. Cue Nathan Philips and his group.

Philips can be seen from this new angle clearly walking between the two groups. What he knew or what he thought about the situation I don’t know."

Watch the lengthy video here
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Video 2 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples March incident Nathan Phillips and #MAGAyouth

In the second video, already seen in parts or the whole by the world, and as described in the video, “Nathan Phillips continues to sing and pray, and this is when the high school student steps in front of Phillips and doesn't move.”

https://vimeo.com/312332730Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

Video 3 of 4 - Nathan Phillips and #MAGAyouth, a chaperone and more…

Nathan Phillips continues to sing and is joined by Quese IMC. Students continue to mock and sing along.

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Video 4 of 4 - Indigenous Peoples Day incident - Nathan Phillips says "Relatives"

Nathan Phillips calls everyone relatives even after the mockery. Shortly after this video, he shares his thoughts on a previously shared video.

https://vimeo.com/312374574Video by Kaya Taitano provided to Indian Country Today.

As previously reported, Nathan Phillips spoke after the incident, he said “these are indigenous lands, we never had walls,” in response to the “Build a Wall, Build a Wall” chants.

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Jourdan Bennett-Begaye contributed to this report.

Pam

21st January 2019, 19:41

There are always more sides to a story.
Unfortunately it’s the propaganda most people fall for, before checking the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLL9bOgCTjE

These are young school age boys. They are in front of their peers. I can remember when I felt the need to look cool in front of my peers. I don't think this is racism, or entitlement. I think it is goofy awkward teenagers trying to be funny to their peers. What if this had been a group of Native American kids behaving like this in front of a group of Trump supporters, I'm sure not a word would be said...

Can anyone point out this specific kid in the picture doing something that is racist, or entitled?

I am beginning to really see the madness of social media and this whole group think, based on what?? And supposed mature adults are basically terrorizing these kids to satisfy their social media addiction and their need to virtue signal? At least they were making a stand for something they believe in. Most people can't quit looking at their frigging phones long enough to do much more than whine about someone else's behaviour and how it doesn't meet their most excellent standards. Good Lord!!!!

onawah

21st January 2019, 20:40

The boys were basically just acting somewhat idiotically as crowds of boys tend to do.
It wouldn't have been such a scene if they had been more supervised.
It was the group of black men who were being hateful, but the boys' reactions tended to lend fuel to the fire.
Their response to the Native Americans wasn't really appropriate, but it probably wasn't overtly hostile either, more uncomprehending than anything.
But in view of the volatile situation, it certainly could have all turned out much worse!
The media seems to be trying to fan the flames now for some reason. possibly part of the "blame Trump" game.
It was what I thought at first because of that, until further research.

Deux Corbeaux

21st January 2019, 21:12

MUST READ: Covington Catholic Student Begs Local TV News to Tell the Truth About Native American Incident In DC

A student at Covington Catholic High School sent a letter Saturday to a local TV station that serves that part of Kentucky, Cincinnati-based WKRC-TV, begging the station to report the truth of an incident Friday in Washington, D.C., involving a Native American man and students from Covington Catholic.

The incident took place at the Lincoln Memorial as the students waited for buses to pick them up after participating in the annual March for Life that day. News reports claimed the students harassed a Native American man named Nathan Phillips–a Vietnam veteran–who was trying to perform a religious ceremony. The students and the school have been viciously attacked online with many threats being made to attack the school children.

As happens too often these days, the media got it wrong. Numerous videos show the students being approached by Phillips and a group of fellow Native American activists who were at the Lincoln Memorial for an Indigenous Peoples Rally that had ended earlier. Videos also show the students being harassed by a group of African-Americans who hurled racist and anti-gay insults at the students.

READ The student’s letter in two parts:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/covington-catholic-student-begs-local-tv-news-to-tell-the-truth-about-native-american-incident-in-dc/

ADD

This video shows the beginning of the confrontation by Phillips where he tests several students before selecting one boy wearing a MAGA hat to target for abuse. Phillips is moving freely about and steps up to the student as he bangs his drum in the boy’s face and loudly chants at him in a language the boy does not understand. Phillips does not attempt to speak to the boy. Phillips doesn’t ask him to move nor does he explain what he is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIG5ZB0fw1k

onawah

21st January 2019, 22:18

I think the letter was probably written by an adult rather than a boy, but more reporting following which underscores the part of the Black Israelites' in making the scene so volatile. The lamestream media blew everything else out of proportion, and missed some important points.
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From: https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/what-really-happened-maga-hat-story-is-fake-news/
"The Mainstream Media is now backpedaling away from the senseless personal destruction that they unleashed upon a group of Catholic high school boys last Saturday, after their false reporting in the NY Times, Time.com and the cable news triggered dozens of death threats, a hail of condemnation from Hollywood celebrities and the threat of expulsion from their school. The Truth Factory has put together this report about the making of this bogus narrative.
The MAGA hat-wearing students from Covington High School in Kentucky had just attended an anti-abortion march and were waiting for their bus ride home in front of the Lincoln Memorial when they were verbally assaulted by members of an extremist fringe of the Black Hebrew Israelites group, who screamed racist epithets like “Crackers” and “Incest children” at them. With the permission of their monitors, the boys responded with school spirit chants.
About an hour into this, Nathan Phillips, a Vietnam Vet from Michigan who’d been attending a separate Native American rally stepped into the mêlée and began banging his drum in the face of high schooler Nick Sandmann. Phillips said, “Something caused me to put myself between [them] – it was black and white. What I saw was my country being torn apart. I couldn’t stand by and let that happen.”
Sandmann was confounded but remained calm and smiled at Phillips. He says, “I was worried that a situation was getting out of control where adults were attempting to provoke teenagers. I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping diffuse [sic] the situation.”
The Mainstream Media however construed Sandmann’s posture as “taunting”, due to Nathan Phillips’ tear-stained, on-camera complaint filmed later, in which he claimed the boys exhibited a “mob mentality” and were chanting “Build that wall,” which the boys deny and of which there is no evidence in hours of cellphone video captured at the scene.
What’s amazing to me is how, missing from all of these reports is any discussion whatsoever about the real racists who set off this frenzy in the first place, namely the Black supremacist element of the Black Hebrew Israelites movement, whose radicalized members can be seen in large cities of the US any day of the week screaming at passersby in high-visibility places, like Manhattan’s Times Square and the National Mall in DC. According to the SPLC, the BHI “believe that Jews are devilish impostors and…whites [are] evil personified.”
I walked past this group every day for many years in the 1980s and 1990s. They’re so extreme, their antics could almost be mistaken for self parody, if their hatred weren’t so palpable and vehement. City people know enough to ignore them and to not fuel their rage. The Covington boys’ chaperones should have moved them away.
In my opinion, the Black Hebrew Israelites movement needs to do some soul-searching, for allowing this hateful element to fester among their ranks for decades.
As for the professional journalists who used their platforms to lie about high school kids, doxx them and try to ruin their lives, they deserve to be censured, if not fired in some cases.
For his part, Sandmann thanked Phillips for his service and said he is “grateful to anyone who puts on the uniform to defend our nation. I harbor no ill will for [Phillips]. I respect this person’s right to engage in free speech activities, and I support his chanting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial any day of the week. I believe he should re-think his tactics of invading the personal space of others, but that is his choice to make.” "

A Voice from the Mountains

21st January 2019, 22:20

It was the group of black men who were being hateful, but the boys' reactions tended to lend fuel to the fire.

Yes, standing calmly and smiling back is adding fuel to the fire. :ROFL:

Remember, these are the same people who acted like they were outraged about children being separated from arrested illegal aliens (except when Obama did it):

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CNN Employee Bakari Sellers Openly Fantasizes About Punching 15-Year-Old Covington High School Student in the Face

CNN employee and former state representative Bakari Sellers publicly tweeted his fantasy about punching a 15-year-old Covington Catholic High School student in the face.

The 34-year-old man quote-tweeted another tweet with the now-debunked claims about what happened and said that “he is a deplorable. Some ppl can also be punched in the face.”

The tweet he quoted contained the debunked claim, “this MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protester at the Indigenous People’s March.” We now know that the men had waded into the group of teenagers to harass them in “solidarity” with a group of Black Israelites who were shouting racist slurs at them and calling them “future school shooters.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/cnn-employee-bakari-sellers-openly-fantasizes-about-punching-15-year-old-covington-high-school-student-in-the-face/

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The new leftist "FACE CRIME" push is real:

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AutumnW

21st January 2019, 23:10

If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?

A Voice from the Mountains

21st January 2019, 23:40

The Indian approached the teenager first, as is seen in the videos above, beating a drum and yelling in his face while the teenager simply smiled back. According to you, the kid should have punched the old man in the face for violating his personal space, right? Seems so, since that's exactly what you just said. Yet the kid had more maturity than you do, obviously.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before advocating violence against children, like the great bastion of morality that you are?

AutumnW

21st January 2019, 23:59

Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?

The white Catholic kid is young and strong and has lots of back up, it appears. The elder is old, looks frail and is NOT staring the kid down. He is clearly trying to get between the two groups and diffuse the situation. Why else would a little old guy with a drum start banging away at this point; to summon a war party?

The punk kid is providing a photo op for his buddies with a long prolonged stare down with a smile that says, "you're nothing, old man."

And btw, there's some intense video editing going on here. Both sides are editing to fit their narratives. It is hard to know exactly what happened.

A Voice from the Mountains

22nd January 2019, 00:04

Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?

You don't have to buy my interpretation. Even the leftist MSM outlets who pushed this story in the first place have backed off and admitted they reported it incorrectly. Those kids had been standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial since 4:30 PM. You can believe what you want, obviously you're going to twist your eyeballs to see hallucinations in order to keep your brain from perceiving reality correctly.

And let's break this down, too, while we're at it:

If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?

So you are saying, regardless of age considerations,

1) If person A puts their face into person B's personal space for an uncomfortably long period of time, then
2) The "sorry ass young punk" should be "smash[ed]...in the mouth."

So in order words, you are okay with what happens in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg5gev4Ghow

AutumnW

22nd January 2019, 00:22

redundant statement. See above

AutumnW

22nd January 2019, 00:32

Sorry Voice, Not buying your interpretation. Th elder is trying to defuse the situation and the kid's reaction is meant to humiliate and denigrate. Or did you flunk body language 101?

You don't have to buy my interpretation. Even the leftist MSM outlets who pushed this story in the first place have backed off and admitted they reported it incorrectly. Those kids had been standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial since 4:30 PM. You can believe what you want, obviously you're going to twist your eyeballs to see hallucinations in order to keep your brain from perceiving reality correctly.

And let's break this down, too, while we're at it:

If somebody put their smiling mug within 18 inches of my face for more than a minute, I'd smash them in the mouth. This is as intimidating as it gets. Maybe the sorry ass young punk should try it in a bar...hmmmm....?

So you are saying, regardless of age considerations,

1) If person A puts their face into person B's personal space for an uncomfortably long period of time, then
2) The "sorry ass young punk" should be "smash[ed]...in the mouth."

So in order words, you are okay with what happens in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg5gev4Ghow

No, Vftm, I am not saying that an older more fragile person should smash a young punk in the mouth if they invade their space in a predatory way. I am must saying that's what l'd do. It happened to me in a nightclub once. A great big lummox wouldn't let me get past him to use the washroom and was leering at me aggressively. I tossed my drink in his face. Felt good.

A Voice from the Mountains

22nd January 2019, 00:38

A great big lummox wouldn't let me get past him to use the washroom and was leering at me aggressively. I tossed my drink in his face. Felt good.

I bet that guy in the video above felt pretty satisfied too. As long as you feel good, that's all that matters in life.

AutumnW

22nd January 2019, 00:46

I was 112 lbs and the guy was over 6 feet and built like a half back. We were around the same age, most likely though. So yeah, it felt good. Many years ago now but sometimes what feels good IS good. As far as above video goes, didn't watch it because I don't like watching violence unless it is necessary. I will take your word for it. Looks like some fat white guy punched a little girl. If you want commentary on that I can provide it. Here it is..." I think it's wrong for fat white guys to punch little girls."

Deux Corbeaux

22nd January 2019, 06:54

ripple

22nd January 2019, 09:01

It was what I thought at first because of that, until further research.

It was the complete opposite of what you thought of first and as you posted earlier .
Those that jump early risk going off the hidden cliff edge

AutumnW

23rd January 2019, 07:29

I've watched the films more closely now and can see that the kid was possibly confused. In which case there might be only one thing worse than being stared down by a young guy and that's being drummed at. What a fiasco.

onawah

23rd January 2019, 15:53

I don't think this thread was intended to feed hate towards Trump.
If you read the whole thread, I think you will see that the intended purpose was to bring more rational thinking into the mix that was created by the Q thread when it was running very hot, and Trump was being portrayed in an almost worshipful manner.
I didn't think that was being realistic, or the fact that things Trump was doing that were less than heroic were being ignored or pardoned or worse, rationalized.
I don't think anyone on this forum thought that Hillary would have made a better POTUS--AT ALL.
But that doesn't mean that Trump is perfect, or that his actions shouldn't be scrutinized and evaluated.

.....

... and only because the boy was wearing a MAGA hat.

Can the HATE = FEAR for (towards) a President be any worse ?

Oh well, this is hopefully the only PA thread that is feeding this hate.

PS.
I won’t be surprised if the HATERS will try to link these Hebrew Israelites', with their inflammatory comments, to the President. They did that with the KKK as well.

Perhaps THAT will be too low, even for them.

A Voice from the Mountains

23rd January 2019, 20:46

Turns out the Indian lied about being a Vietnam War veteran. He never served in Vietnam. He was a refrigerator repairman stationed in California who went AWOL three times, and never left the country.

He's also a professional victim who receives money from NGOs to stir up controversy. This isn't the first time he's been in the news claiming to be a victim. It's just that this time he was actually called out on it after video footage completely contradicted the stories he was making up about the kids.

I don't really think it's the Indian's fault, though, because something isn't right with that guy. His forehead slopes backward at such an angle that it looks like he has a mild case of microcephaly, which obviously impacts cognitive function. That's probably why they kept him stateside during Vietnam, and also explains why he felt so comfortable lying about his service and everything that happened with those boys as if no one would ever figure it out. He's a little on the slow side, by no fault of his own. But he's still a liar.

Deux Corbeaux

24th January 2019, 22:45

Fellow Aspirant

25th January 2019, 03:06

.....

... and only because the boy was wearing a MAGA hat.

Can the HATE = FEAR for (towards) a President be any worse ?

Oh well, this is hopefully the only PA thread that is feeding this hate.

PS.
I won’t be surprised if the HATERS will try to link these Hebrew Israelites', with their inflammatory comments, to the President. They did that with the KKK as well.

Perhaps THAT will be too low, even for them.

It's NOT about hating the MAGA hats. It's about calling out the young man wearing it for his provocative behaviour. It's as plain as the smirk on his face that he was targeting the drummer and intending to intimidate him. Incredibly, Mr Philips never skipped a beat. I've seen this "dumb insubordination" look before. It's user is sending the message that he feels superior to the target, and daring him to react with violence.

B.

onawah

25th January 2019, 03:45

There has been a long debate about what really happened in DC, and many videos posted as well.
My conclusion after perusing most of it was that the students weren't actually misbehaving that much, but just being rowdy, especially considering how vitriolic and baiting the Black Israelites were being, and it wasn't so much that the young man was taunting the Native American elder as it was that he was simply standing his ground.
Because it was actually the N.A. elder with the drum who walked right up the to student, not the other way around.
The elder said he was attempting to get in the middle, between the students and the Black Israelites, to calm everyone.
I think there was a lot of misunderstanding on the whole, and it wasn't really clear why the students joined in the drumming, but it was probably more in a spirit of fun than mocking.
On all the videos, I never heard anyone saying "Build that Wall".
The media was quick to blow everything up out of all proportion, with little based on reality.
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onawah

25th January 2019, 04:27

More here showing how the media got it wrong:
Joe Rogan on the "MAGA" Kids Controversy
Published on Jan 21, 2019
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and here:
MAGA vs. Native Americans Confrontation: What Really Happened?
The Jimmy Dore Show
Published on Jan 21, 2019
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It's good to hear Native Americans really being considered in this last discussion.
It's also a clear example of how the lamestream media is manipulating people.
And possibly distracting us, so there may be something nefarious going on that no one is paying much attention to.
(The media has been covering the government shutdown quite well, so I don't think that has much to do with it.)

ThePythonicCow

25th January 2019, 05:31

onawah

25th January 2019, 05:54

I was taken in at first too, but I'm really glad I took a long, much closer look.
I felt like such a jerk when I realized how unconscious my initial reaction was.
A great object lesson for a lot of people, I imagine..... :sad:
So I'm working now on feeling grateful instead. :nod:

... what is this world coming to?

onawah

25th January 2019, 23:07

CRAZY BLACK ISRAELITES HATE-MONGERING ON THE STREET – COMPILATION
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/crazy-black-israelites-hate-mongering-on-the-street-compilation/
1/25/19
(Warning--extremely foul language and psychopathic behavior.)
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"The Mainstream Media has been largely silent about the group of Black Hebrew Israelites (BHI), who were engaging in their typical, confrontational, hate-filled “street ministry” in DC on January 18th. Their disgusting, racist taunts formed the backdrop of the viral video of MAGA teens from Covington Catholic High School and from everything I’ve seen of the footage, it appears that the vile attitudes of the BHI were wrongly transferred to the Kentucky kids and ascribed to the latter.

If you don’t live in a big city, you’d likely never previously heard of the Black Hebrew Israelites, let alone seen their insane behavior, so here is a compilation I found. In this age of PC, the taunts seen here almost seem like a comedy routine and I actually began to howl with laughter, as I transcribed their surreal insults, below. If these misguided souls weren’t so serious, this might be one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.

I directed rap videos in the 1990s and some artists who I worked with back in the day espoused similar views, which are shared by members of the Nation of Islam, the Five-Percenters and related “Islamic” Black Supremacist splinter groups. The BHI believe that they are descendants of the Biblical Hebrews, whereas Africans (whom the BHI hate) are called “Hamites”, Caucasians are called “Edomites”, East Asians are “Moabites”. Non-BHI males of any race are called “niggers”, females are called “bitches”, “hos” and “freaks”, all whites are called “cave beasts” and they are “leprous”. I’m sorry, I had to laugh when I wrote that.

This video was shot in downtown San Francisco by members of the BHI, who are equal-opportunity haters, unleashing it upon: “you stupid-ass Persian bitches,” “dumb-ass, Tonto-ass Native Americans,” “fat-ass Samoans,” “f*ckin’ Mexican faggots,” “curry-sh*tting, coolie, towel-head faggots,” “damned Aborigine-ass that be roamin’ the desert, playing the damned didgeridoo, eatin’ lizards ‘n sh*t,” “all you so-called white women, you gonna get brutally raped out here,” “little ugly cave beast,” “all you so-called white people, you the devil, alright?” “death to Gooks!” “Have your last days of enjoying America, alright? The MOSSAD’s gonna put yo ass in slavery and gonna use us to do it! You little red punks! That’s according to the Bible! There’s about to be 144,000 Nat Turners arisen up, alright? There’s gonna be killin’ white people – babies included – and any o’ you so-called black people, if you ain’t wit’ it, you gonna get yo head chopped off – wit’ yo weave on it!”

I think humor and non-engagement are the appropriate responses to this insane anger and also an awareness and a sympathy for the fact that the trauma of 400 years of institutionalized racism is real and it’s still working itself out in the fevered minds of these people. We should not be tricked into anger at them and we should hope and pray that they may one day find peace and love.

The Mainstream Media, on the other hand, until they completely retract and apologize for their libelous claims that have put the lives of innocent kids in danger, the same forgiveness should not be granted to them.

The operation to smear these boys stinks to high heaven. Racial supremacist beliefs have been falsely ascribed to the Covington High School boys, who had likely never imagined that such crazies as the Black Hebrew Israelites and the outrage culture-grifter, Nathan Phillips even existed – let alone that they could ever become the innocent victims of an unconscionable and unforgivable high tech lynching that continues to be perpetrated against them by a Liberal media that will not tolerate MAGA hats.

This is how our cold civil war is being waged – until it goes hot."

onawah

26th January 2019, 00:07

:focus: DANIEL ESTULIN – BACK TRUMP OR WORLD LOSES
January 23, 2019
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/daniel-estulin-back-trump-or-world-loses/
( This might go better on a different thread, but I put it here because it might also help enlighten us more as to what Trump is really doing, as opposed to what most people think he is doing, as they may not be the same thing at all... )
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"Daniel Estulin joins Greg Hunter for a blockbuster interview about the realpolitik that informs the strange behavior of politicians on the world stage.

He reminds viewers that he spent 24 years in Russian military counterintelligence and that he’s also a Doctor of Conceptual Intelligence, trained to “create models that define the future of humanity…at least one or two generations in advance…” In short, he is not a conspiracy theorist.

He explains that, like most of the world, the United States is controlled by the Liberal banking financiers, which is the domain of Wall Street, Washington’s bureaucracy, the intelligence agencies, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the Rockefeller crowd, the Soroses, the Mainstream Media, the London School of Economics, the Wharton School of Business, the big Think Tanks, the big foundations, the rating agencies; in short, the people who’ve controlled the world for the past three generations, since 1944.

All of the above are part of this Liberal banking order – not just in the US but globally. Trump’s job, as the representative of an alternative, isolationist, industrial group is to dismantle this power structure. This is not a battle between the Republicans or the Democrats…it’s against the current global financial model.

“In 2008, the global elite circles…reached an agreement to hand over the power of the emission of the US dollar to the global elite, via the Bank for International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks…The only thing they needed was for Obama to sign off on this deal. Nobody knows about this but Obama decided he’s not gonna do that; he’s not gonna let the global elite circles control the emission of the US dollar.”

My own source tells me this was the moment the Bush-Clinton crime family attempted to usurp the power of the central bankers for themselves, a crime for which they will not be forgiven by Basel.

Estulin continues, “What we’re seeing right now is the fight…for the control of emission of US dollar,” and Trump is the enemy [of the Liberal banking order]. “That’s why you have all the screaming and yelling in the media.”

Russia is in a similar position. “Russia’s economic financial policy is written in the offices of International Monetary Fund…” Russia’s equivalent to the US Federal Reserve’s Jerome Powell is Elvira Nabiullina, the Director of the Russian Central Bank. Estulin says Nabiullina has no responsibility to Russia. “She works directly for Christine Lagarde, the General Director of International Monetary Fund…You are not allowed to make investments in rubles in Russia. You can only do it in dollars, just to give you an idea who controls Russia’s economy!

“If Putin decided to fire [Elvira] Nabiullina…and replaced her with somebody who is a patriot, immediately, the International Monetary Fund and the ratings agencies would emit a report that would say, ‘According to our best practices and knowledge, the person who is running Russia’s Central Bank is absolutely incompetent,’ and they’d lower Russia’s credit to junk and because private corporations cannot have a higher credit rating than the government itself, every Russian company’s credit rating will be lowered to junk, which means Russian economy would collapse in a matter of hours, which is why until the Liberal banking financier global order is not dismantled, Putin has his hands tied – and the same with Trump – and that’s what we’re seeing right now, globally…

“You have a civil war in the United States. There is the Liberal banking financiers’ United States; the parasites, who play with numbers, don’t produce anything at all and then you have the the alternative group, the people who put in Donald Trump…the isolationists and industrialists.

Estulin says there are two different ways out of this crisis:

“1. Global Thermonuclear War…wars write off debts and responsibilities. You have a four…quadrillion-dollar global debt…It’s a four and fifteen zeros. There’s absolutely no way you can pay that off, ever. But Wars can write that off.” In this scenario, half of the world’s population or more would be killed. China, with over a billion people would survive. Russia, the country with the biggest territory would survive but “The United States will not survive. Europe will not survive. Latin America, nobody knows where that is and Africa is what it is. So, that’s one of the ways out of the crisis. Another way out of the crisis is the change from the Atlanticism to the:

“2. Pacific area of influence…the Rockefellers lost in 2012 against the Rothschilds. The Rockefellers are the bankers, the percentages and the Rothschilds are the changers…Changers, what does that mean? it means separating the world into regional territories…the dismantling of countries…and creating regional economic blocs…

The Bretton-Woods global economic model is collapsing. In London, Brexit was developed to avoid being caught up in that. Estulin says, “Their plan was to create a separate economic region with the Golden Dinar for them and for the Arab world” and Israel as a nation-state was to be sacrificed. “Kissinger said it, way back in 2012 and it was published in New York Post, that Israel, in ten years was going to disappear. Jacob Rothschild, somebody who’s very well-informed said the same thing.

“In that plan, you need to get rid of all of the leaders in the northern region of Africa. We’ve been there for 30 years; Bouteflika in Algiers, Gaddafi in Libya, Mubarak in Egypt, etc. and thus, you have the Arab Spring. The second part, you gotta get rid of Turkey, because Turkey has dibs, through the Ottoman Empire, on some of the same Arab countries that England, the British Empire wanted to incorporate into the new regions – they did that, okay because Turkey is not allowed into the European Union and a third step, again as I said, get rid of Israel by joining forces.

“Now the whole thing was already prepared. The only thing that was missing was for Hillary Clinton to become President of United States and she was all for it – but she lost. Trump wasn’t gonna go for it and thus, the Empire created Plan B – and Plan B and I explained in my book, is Macron and France…

“We’re seeing the end of the Bretton Woods, we’re seeing the end of the petrodollar model, because Trump was elected President and his mandate, from the people behind him was to dismantle the petrodollar; dismantle that and get rid of the World Trade Organization – and what we see Trump doing is going up against the International Monetary Fund, he’s going against World Bank, the G7. They are the enemies of Trump and of the people behind him because they represent Liberal banking financial model…

“It has nothing to do with ideologies. It has nothing to do with Donald Trump being an unpalatable president, who’s bringing disrepute to the United States – as if the Mainstream Media ever cared about the United States as an entity. It’s about control of the emission center because the model is now dead. They need an alternative model and so they’re looking at, just to summarize, either:

“Global thermonuclear war [or the separation of the world into economic regions] – and that’s why you see all that stuff in the Middle East again, what’s Trump doing in Afghanistan? What’s he doing in Syria? He’s done something that Putin hasn’t been able to do. He’s extricating himself out of that mess, because he understands that anytime, this thing can explode…

“Wars write off debts and responsibilities, which is why we’re seeing all this maneuvering. We don’t know who is going to win. We don’t know the end of the story. What we do know is why all this stuff is going on…

“The easiest thing for Trump to have done when he became President was to push the interest rates to four, five, six percent. That would have collapsed the entire global order, which are the enemies of Donald Trump but then, it’s like we have a table and you cut two legs off the table collapses but to make sure the table doesn’t collapse, you need to prop it up somehow, which means Trump would have needed to come up with an alternative model…

“You asked me about gold. We’re looking at a changing of the guard from the Atlantic to the Pacific, from petrodollar to ounces, physical ounces of gold, which is what the Chinese have a lot of.

So, the new economic model, again, the separation of regions, Make America Great Again is…the United States shutting the door, saying to the rest of the world, ‘Go to Hell.'”

Greg Hunter: “Gold’s gonna be an important component of whatever world we have; gold, silver, precious metals.”

Daniel Estulin: “It’ll be a very important component, now what needs to happen is the Chinese and the Russians can work together but not right now because today’s Russia is [dominated by the] Liberal banking financier crowd…The only way that the Russians the Chinese can actually work together if you get rid of Liberal [financiers]…”

Greg Hunter: “What does a little guy do? What does the guy listening to this interview, saying, ‘What should I do? Do you plan on a collapse? Do you plan on a war? Do you plan on a hyperinflation? Do you plan on a new dollar?…What does the guy watching this do?

Daniel Estulin: “One thing you need to understand is you’ve got a back Trump…our only way out of this is to make sure that Donald Trump actually stays President of the United States, because the entire welfare of Russia and everywhere else depends on the non-Liberal crowd winning.

“Second point, make sure you have physical gold and silver. Make sure you don’t have paper gold, because when the markets go ‘poof’, that thing is going to disappear. Make sure you understand that all the noise you hear in the mainstream media, it’s what it is, it’s noise and it doesn’t matter…this latest stuff, with some kids in Catholic school or talk about some silly football game or talking about what Trump did or said, whether he picked his nose at a birthday party – it’s all nonsense – you’ve got a look at a bigger picture…

The model which has been working since 1944, Bretton Woods; based on infinite growth is dead. Either we come up with a new model or we go to Hell.

Greg Hunter: Daniel Estulin, the author best-selling multiple international best-selling author of his latest book, In the Shadows of a President. Daniel, thanks for coming on from Toronto, thank you so much."

Ba-ba-Ra

26th January 2019, 17:49

Thanks Onawah, Great interview and certainly sheds a lot of light on what's happening world-wide.

onawah

7th February 2019, 04:55

From: Social Security Works
Yesterday at 8:44 PM

"On the campaign trail, Donald Trump talked about Social Security and Medicare in every speech, promising to protect them for all cuts.

But once he took office, Trump appointed advisers like Mick Mulvaney who are longtime advocates of Social Security and Medicare cuts. He released a budget proposal with $266 billion in Medicare cuts and $72 billion in Social Security cuts. And he stood by while Mitch McConnell demanded deep benefit cuts to pay for the massive GOP tax handout to the wealthy (even though Social Security does not add a single penny to the deficit!)

In tonight's State of the Union, Trump did not mention Social Security or Medicare once. His silence speaks volumes."

A Voice from the Mountains

7th February 2019, 06:42

Deux Corbeaux

20th February 2019, 09:02

A follow-up on the story....
The consequences of spreading hate.

~~~

NICK SANDMAN SUES WASHINGTON POST FOR 250 MILLION OVER DEFAMATORY COVERAGE

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/02/nick-sandmann-jeff-bezos-640x480.jpg

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/02/19/nick-sandmann-sues-washington-post-for-250-million-over-defamatory-coverage/

“The media was quite obviously in the wrong as they helped perpetuate the false reports about the Covington Catholic boys which resulted in harassment and death threats, not to mention unjustifiable smears of their reputations. The fact that the Sandmann family has hired a top attorney with a history of successful suits against the media would seem to suggest that they intend to seek retribution against the media that sought to destroy them.”

https://powr.com/video/O9dXyKZaN3-10111315

Fellow Aspirant

20th February 2019, 22:52

It's NOT about hating the MAGA hats. It's about calling out the young man wearing it for his provocative behaviour. It's as plain as the smirk on his face that he was targeting the drummer and intending to intimidate him.

It's odd to me that even after the MSM narrative on this fell apart, and defamation lawsuits have already been launched, with retractions being made left and right, you still somehow think that standing still and smiling is "provocative behavior" that makes the lying professional victim artist a real victim.

As usual, feelings count more than facts.

Dear "Voice ... "

I’d like to explain what I find wrong with the media coverage of the “standoff”. It’s not that the media were wrong in what they showed. Where they erred was in not showing any of the original confrontations between the Covington students and the group of black protesters who had been hurling abuse at the white students only a few minutes before the video started. Maybe they could have found video on someone’s cel phone regarding this disturbing verbal assault, and showed it along with the video footage that they based their story on. But they did not, for whatever reason. If they had, the media would have supplied some inkling of the thinking of the Covington students i.e. that they had been insulted and intimidated by a hostile group. As such, I think that their disrespectful and provocative reactions to the native elders would have been given an understandable context, and could be seen for what it was: disdainful payback to an inferior group that would not fight back. The man banging the drum was an easy target for their intimidation, and by confronting him they could salvage some of their pride.

As for the claim that the drummer had approached the group of boys and was standing in front of, that part may have been true, if the direction of the boys’ path had been on the other side of Phillips, the drummer. But that does not appear to be the case.

What is evident, however, is that the celebrated (at least by the Covington crowd) boy who is seen having a showdown with the native drummer is there by choice. He was not suddenly surprised by the approach of the drummer, nor was his path blocked, except directly to his front, where the drummer was standing. Sandmann took up the position in front of the drummer, after having walked some distance through the crowd in order to face the man. There are wide spaces to his left and right, and, initially at least, two to three body widths of space behind him. He had plenty of wide open options for movement. If anything, it was he who was blocking the path of the Phillips.

Here’s a link to the “entire” video, as later posted:

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/23/18193174/covington-catholic-school-native-american-students-video

In it, it’s easy to see that Sandmann first appears 9 seconds in, standing far back from the front, on the steps. In order to get in front of Phillips, he would have had to walk 5 or 6 steps through the crowd. As the video begins, the crowd is already mocking the native presence with pseudo chants, crying out, and performing the insulting “tomahawk chop”. The kids are clearly trying to intimidate the native protesters; during a pan across them, one of the students has his head shoved from behind by one of his classmates, in an effort to force contact between the boy and the drummer. During a pan back to the left, at 25 seconds, Sandmann is still visible on the steps in his original spot. The panning continues back to the right, and when it pans left again, Sandmann can now be seen in his chosen spot, at the 41 second mark. This is a full 15 seconds and 5 paces from his original location in the video. The drummer, on the other hand, has stopped moving forward, and has been rooted to the spot when Sandmann approaches him.

Sandmann’s maneuvering into place in front of the drummer was calculated to be in the best place possible for demonstrating to his buddies that he was a “big man”. As for demonstrating his feelings to the native protesters, it was his rarely broken smirk that told the tale.

So, to sum up, the media erred in not telling the whole tale. What they got right, though, was in portraying the disrespectful behaviour of a gang of white boys toward a native American peacemaker. The media commentary that ensued may have been excessive, but that will be very hard to prove in a court of law. All one has to do is watch the video.

Namaste,

Brian

ThePythonicCow

20th February 2019, 23:49

What they got right, though, was in portraying the disrespectful behaviour of a gang of white boys toward a native American peacemaker.
As you likely know by now, some of us disagree with the view you present, through your particular choice of complimentary or pejorative adjectives.

Fellow Aspirant

21st February 2019, 03:32

ThePythonicCow

21st February 2019, 05:35

Hmmm. Could you give me an example or two?
An example of what ... some of your uses of complimentary or pejorative adjectives ?

Fellow Aspirant

21st February 2019, 06:13

Hmmm. Could you give me an example or two?
An example of what ... some of your uses of complimentary or pejorative adjectives ?

Yes.

B.

ThePythonicCow

21st February 2019, 15:44

Fellow Aspirant

21st February 2019, 16:59

Hmmm. Could you give me an example or two?
An example of what ... some of your uses of complimentary or pejorative adjectives ?

Yes.

B.
See emboldened words for three pejorative words, then three complimentary words:

What they got right, though, was in portraying the disrespectful behaviour of a gang of white boys toward a native American peacemaker.

Okay, thanks. I had supposed, at first, that your attempt to make me retract my statements/leave the thread was based on a personal dislike. Now it's clear that it's my interpretation of the incident that you object to. In other words, you think it necessary to speak on behalf of those forum members who disagree with my point of view, and to protect them from my thinking. Staggering.

So, on with the 'discussion'. Time for some more food for thought. Here's an interview, done by Anna North, with an expert in education, especially of the form enjoyed by privileged rich children, in which he explains what he finds wrong with the behaviour of the Covington students:

"The smirking silence with which Sandmann confronted elder Nathan Phillips was actually incredibly telling, according to Adam Howard, an education professor at Colby College and the author of "Learning Privilege: Lessons of Power and Identity in Affluent Schooling". Sandmann’s expression clearly “communicates that I’m better than you, that I don’t even have enough respect for you to even say anything to communicate,” Howard told me.

The student’s behavior was the embodiment of privilege, Howard said, and nothing that came after the initial viral video changes that.

I reached out to Howard, who previously wrote for Vox about the culture of elite private schools, to ask how that culture might help us understand the March for Life video and its aftermath. In a phone interview, which has been condensed and edited, he said that the video and the reactions to it expose not just the problem of privilege in America but our inability as a society to reckon with that problem.

Anna North

What did you see when you saw the March for Life video for the first time?

Adam Howard

When you saw the young man’s face looking at the elder, and just the smirk, and then having a whole group around him of his fellow classmates, all boys, doing the various things they were doing — chanting, doing tomahawk things, racist behaviors — this is what privilege looks like. This is what he has learned not only from his schooling but also from other sources of education, which include family and the larger national context.

What he’s learned is this contempt toward others, this kind of privileged white male gaze that communicates, “I’m better than you, I don’t even have enough respect for you to even say anything to communicate, but I will communicate everything I need to through my body language.” That overconfidence, and that sense of entitlement, all of it was being performed in that moment.

As I was reading the articles, the ways in which people were trying to make sense of that initially, none of the conversation really focused on privilege and that these were a group of privileged boys from a privileged institution.

Anna North

What was your reaction when you saw additional videos released after the initial viral video, and the conversation around those subsequent videos?
Adam Howard

Even in the other videos, [Sandmann] was still looking stone-faced, smirking. That privileged white male gaze that every minority is very familiar with — when that gaze is upon you as a minority, you know what it communicates, and it communicates that “you’re inferior to me, I have a particular kind of perception of myself that places me above you.” That performance was also being reinforced by all his classmates kind of cheering him on.

Silence plays an incredibly important part in that performance, because as soon as the boy says something, then we can confront him, we can dissect it, we can challenge it, and so part of it was that he wasn’t even giving anything over to be challenged in any way.
We don’t know what he was exactly thinking at that moment, because he didn’t communicate anything verbally. That’s how privilege works — it’s constantly performed and embodied in particular ways where it’s hard to challenge it.

Anna North

It sounds like you’re saying we can see privilege at play in this video regardless of Sandmann’s statement or the longer video that was released later. Is that right?

Adam Howard

Yes. And therefore, it would be useful for us to begin to ask the questions of, how do young people learn those lessons that allow them to be okay with showing such contempt toward others who are different from themselves? Do they learn that through their education? Do they learn that through their religion? Do they learn that through their family? [Do they learn that through] the national context, and what’s going on in our country and what’s going on in the larger world?
I would argue that all of those things are teaching them incredibly important lessons, and we need to be more mindful and intentional about the kinds of lessons we want to teach young people.

Anna North

Earlier in our conversation, you mentioned that the video reminded you of something that happened at your institution. Can you talk about that incident?

Adam Howard

Several years ago, we had this incident on campus, and it sent shock waves throughout our small, elite liberal arts college. It involved members of a male sports team. Shortly after this incident, I was asked, along with another faculty colleague, to lead and facilitate this community conversation.

Several hundred people attended, and it was a three-hour event, and it was emotionally charged — people crying, and raised voices every once in a while. It was very obvious that a lot of people were affected by this in pretty profound ways.
What was interesting is that the first two rows of this gathering space were all teammates of the guys who were involved in this incident, and they sat there and didn’t say a word for the entire three-hour period. They had that smirk on their faces, their arms crossed, and even though they didn’t say anything, their contempt for what was going on, everything they were communicating without saying a word — it completely overshadowed everything that we were trying to do.
We were trying to heal our community, and we weren’t fully able to. It was so destructive; it was so disruptive. Anytime you challenge privilege, there’s going to be attempts to disrupt those efforts.

Anna North

How should the fact that Covington Catholic is an all-boys’ school factor into our understanding of this incident?

Adam Howard

When I research all-boys’ schools, the headmasters and others will claim that it allows students to express themselves freely, and that they’re more involved in the arts and in creative endeavors and that they’re not negatively impacted by having girls present and the peer pressure that goes along with that. I think that’s a bunch of crap.

I think it instead reinforces very toxic ways of thinking about what it means to be a boy and what it means to be a man. The fact that you don’t have women there often limits the opportunities for you to develop healthy, productive relationships across gender.

Often you have this kind of mob mentality that forms, because elite schools, part of what they do is teach their students to always prove that they’re the best. So what ends up happening is that it’s always a contest of who’s the best man. A lot of that is connected to sexual conquest, proving certain things that just aren’t very healthy ways of thinking about what it means to be a man.

Anna North

What can we learn as a society from this whole incident — the first video, but also the longer video and the reactions to all of it?

Adam Howard

What’s problematic from this larger incident, if you take [it] from the moment this goes viral to now, is that we easily dismiss things that need to be discussed. People are trying to find holes in the original narrative, and as soon as they find those holes, then that gives us permission to not discuss what we need to be discussing.

Part of that is, what are privileged, white, young men learning about themselves, not just through their education and their family but through what’s going on at the national level? How they are making sense of themselves, others, and the world around them, and then how are they acting on that? Those are the types of conversations that we need to be [having], and I don’t know how we get there. It requires us to actually be willing to get past, “This narrative is flawed, therefore there’s nothing to be discussed here,” to, “What can we learn from this?”

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/23/18193174/covington-catholic-school-native-american-students-video

I still see only a howling horde of kids, Tomahawk-chopping and roaring with laughter at a Native American, one smirking young man in the center. I see the same display of unearned, unexamined, vaguely menacing privilege that I did on Saturday.

In the days since the incident on the National Mall, the revelation which is supposed to have changed everything is that Nathan Phillips approached the group of kids, and not the other way around. Who approached whom is only relevant if one 64-year-old man with a single drum is more menacing than a gang of teenage boys. The kids are still cackling at an elder, still mocking him with war whoops. The behavior, in its most generous interpretation, is dishonorable.

The smirk of privilege, framed by MAGA hats and mocking laughter, is all that’s there, despite what the kid in the picture—via the public relations firm his family had the means to retain—says. It is unmistakable, which is why the image was shared as widely as it was. It would not have gone viral if it didn’t resonate, if we hadn’t seen this particular strain of American smirk as long as we’ve had photography.

We’ve seen it on the faces of the white people intimidating black patrons at the Woolworth’s lunch counter, in the pictures of freshly-integrated high schools in Little Rock. We’ve seen it in our own personal histories, if we have ever been that terrifying combination of young and different in any way. We saw that smirk with our eyes, but we felt it in our stomachs.

Nathan Phillips, a veteran in the indigenous rights movement, was that man in the middle.

In an interview Saturday, Phillips, 64, said he felt threatened by the teens and that they swarmed around him as he and other activists were wrapping up the march and preparing to leave.

Phillips, who was singing the American Indian Movement song that serves as a ceremony to send the spirits home, said he noticed tensions beginning to escalate when the teens and other apparent participants from the nearby March for Life rally began taunting the dispersing indigenous crowd.

Phillips said a few people in the March for Life crowd began to chant, “Build that wall, build that wall,” though such chants are not audible on video.

“It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,’ ” Phillips recalled. “I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.”

Phillips kept drumming and singing, thinking about his wife, Shoshana, who died of bone marrow cancer nearly four years ago, and the various threats that face indigenous communities around the world, he said.
“I felt like the spirit was talking through me,” Phillips said.

Brian

ThePythonicCow

21st February 2019, 19:09

Staggering.
Yeah .

TargeT

21st February 2019, 20:58

onawah

23rd February 2019, 04:58

5G: Harmful effects of a new technology
Copying Herve's post from:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100537-Stop-5G-before-it-s-irreversible-&p=1277363&viewfull=1#post1277363

5G: Harmful effects of a new technology (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/5g-harmful-effects-of-new-technology/)

by Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/) Feb 21 (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2019/02/21/5g-harmful-effects-of-new-technology/), 2019

* See “5G Radiation Dangers—11 Reasons To Be Concerned,” (https://www.electricsense.com/12399/5g-radiation-dangers/) by Lloyd Burrell (twitter (https://twitter.com/lloydburrell)), at electricsense.com (https://www.electricsense.com/). Well worth a read.

* Of course, read Patrick Wood’s (twitter (https://twitter.com/StopTechnocracy)) instant classic, Technocracy Rising (https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/product/technocracy-rising-the-trojan-horse-of-global-transformation/), which explains the hidden agenda of Globalism in the 21st century. Patrick’s blog is here (https://www.technocracy.news/).
“Along with the 5G there is another thing coming — Internet of Things. If you look at it…the radiation level is going to increase tremendously and yet the industry is very excited about it… they project 5G/IoT business to be a $7 trillion business.”
— Prof. Girish Kumar, Professor at Electrical Engineering Department at IIT Bombay
5G, the latest and greatest method of faster wireless transmission, is coming on with a storm.

Governments are promoting it as if the future of humanity depends on it. It MUST BE implemented.

When governments and corporations see technological daylight up the road—and big money—they run toward it joined at the hip. Consequences be damned.

And now, 5G.

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I want 5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible. It is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind. There is no reason that we should be lagging behind on.........

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....something that is so obviously the future. I want the United States to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies. We must always be the leader in everything we do, especially when it comes to the very exciting world of technology!

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35.9K people are talking about this (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098583029713420288) A few of the many corporations involved include Samsung, Intel, Qualcomm, Nokia, Huawei, Ericsson, ZTE. This is a global operation, and many governments are backing the push.

And the consumer gets what? The ability to watch the reruns of Law&Order he’s already watching? His current TV reception isn’t good enough? The appliances in his home will all be connected to Internet and talk to each other and spy on him and record his energy use, in conjunction with smart meters, for the Greater Good.

Somehow, you really need your toaster connected to the Internet? You want that? You can’t get along without that?

UNDOUBTEDLY, A KEY PART OF THE 5G PROGRAM IS, EVENTUALLY, MASSIVE NUMBERS OF DRIVERLESS CARS ON ROADS ALL OVER THE WORLD. This is the plan. Cars are connected and talk to each other. Humans play no role in this. The Technocratic Internet of Things decides how, at any given moment, to regulate traffic flows. Humans learn to be passive.

AND WITH THE INTERNET OF THINGS (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/the-internet-of-things-a-game-for-morons-and-control-freaks/), THE TECHNOCRATIC ELITE WILL BE ABLE TO INSTALL ENERGY-USE QUOTAS AND CEILINGS FOR EVERY PERSON AND EXERT TOP-DOWN CONTROL ON THE PLANET.
“Mr. Jones, this is the voice of your house speaking. You have reached the assigned limit of your energy use for the month. Try to get along without energy until next month’s allotment comes online…”
At electricsense.com (5/12/17) (https://www.electricsense.com/12399/5g-radiation-dangers/), we learn about the purported “upside” of 5G:
“5G and IoT [Internet of Things] promises to connect us in our homes, schools, workplaces, cities, parks and open spaces to over a trillion objects around the world. It promises cars that drive themselves, washing machines that order their own washing powder and softener plus of course super fast downloads and streaming.”

“According to Fortune.com 5G will support at least 100 billion devices and will be 10 to 100 times faster than current 4G technology. (4G was already about 10 times faster than 3G).”

“It’ll bring download speed up to 10 Gigabits per second. This would let us have an entire building of people send each other data in close to no time, thus improving productivity.”
Now, electricsense.com takes us into the disaster of 5G:
“5G will utilize smaller cell stations (and the technology of beamforming) that’ll scramble/unscramble and redirect packets of data on a no-interference path back to us. This could mean wireless antennas on every lamp post, utility pole, home and business throughout entire neighborhoods, towns and cities.”

“Thousands of studies link low-level wireless radio frequency radiation exposures to a long list of adverse biological effects, including:
• DNA single and double strand breaks
• oxidative damage
• disruption of cell metabolism
• increased blood brain barrier permeability
• melatonin reduction
• disruption to brain glucose metabolism
• generation of stress proteins”
“Given that 5G is set to utilize frequencies above and below existing frequency bands 5G sits in the middle of all this. But the tendency (it varies from country to country) is for 5G to utilize the higher frequency bands. Which brings its own particular concerns…”

“The biggest concern is how these new wavelengths will affect the skin. The human body has between two million to four million sweat ducts. Dr. Ben-Ishai of Hebrew University, Israel explains that our sweat ducts act like ‘an array of helical antennas when exposed to these wavelengths,’ meaning that we become more conductive. A recent New York study which experimented with 60GHz waves stated that ‘the analyses of penetration depth show that more than 90% of the transmitted power is absorbed in the epidermis and dermis layer’.”

“The effects of MMWs [millimeter waves] as studied by Dr. Yael Stein of Hebrew University is said to also cause humans physical pain as our nociceptors flare up in recognition of the wave as a damaging stimuli. So we’re looking at possibilities of many skin diseases and cancer as well as physical pain to our skin.”

“A 1994 study found that low level millimeter microwave radiation produced lens opacity in rats, which is linked to the production of cataracts.”

“An experiment conducted by the Medical Research Institute of Kanazawa Medical University found that 60GHz ‘millimeter-wave antennas can cause thermal injuries of varying types of levels. The thermal effects induced by millimeterwaves can apparently penetrate below the surface of the eye’.”

“A 1992 Russian study found that frequencies in the range 53-78GHz (that which 5G proposes to use) impacted the heart rate variability (an indicator of stress) in rats. Another Russian study on frogs whose skin was exposed to MMWs found heart rate changes (arrhythmias).”

“5G will use pulsed millimeter waves to carry information. But as Dr. Joel Moskowitz points out, most 5G studies are misleading because they do not pulse the waves. This is important because research on microwaves already tells us how pulsed waves have more profound biological effects on our body compared to non-pulsed waves. Previous studies, for instance, show how pulse rates of the frequencies led to gene toxicity and DNA strand breaks.”
This is just a sampling of 5G’s disastrous effects. There is much more.
“AT&T have announced the availability of their 5G Evolution in Austin, Texas. 5G Evolution allows Samsung S8 and S8 + users access to faster speeds. This is part of AT&T’s plan to lay the 5G foundation while the standards are being finalized. This is expected to happen in late 2018. AT&T has eyes on 19 other metropolitan areas such as Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston, Atlanta, San Francisco and so on. Indianapolis is up next on their 5G trail due to arrive in the summer [2018].”
It’s full steam ahead for 5G on planet Earth.

Profits, top-down control, new technology—why bother with extensive health studies?

Once the effects on the population take hold, doctors will make diagnoses of DISEASES that seem to have nothing to do with 5G. They’ll call it Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, or a variety of blood disorders, they’ll look for THE VIRUS, and they’ll develop new drugs…

Jon Rappoport

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Studies!? What studies!? Who needs studies for something which has been decreed harmless... you know... like Glyphosate...

A Voice from the Mountains

23rd February 2019, 10:59

You know there's multiple angles and the full video out there where you can clearly see that (fake) (https://www.businessinsider.com/native-elder-nathan-phillips-falsely-calls-self-a-vietnam-vet-in-video-2019-1) "Vietnam veteran" Nathan Philips walked into the group of kids (very rudely) and when Sandman didn't move he just banged his drum right in the kids face... it was ultra passive aggressive and apparently **** this guy is known for doing.

I don't think it's just passive aggressive to have someone walk up to you and start beating a drum in your face and loudly yelling all the vowels in the alphabet. That's an act of physical aggression, period.

If someone get that close up into my face, with a drum or not, my instant reaction would be to back up and make space for a physical confrontation. These high school boys were too young and awkward to know how to respond, so they just stood around smiling stupidly and making jokes. That's what's really sick about the left picking on kids and then trying to make them out to be the freak shows here. Chief AWOL Refrigerator Repairman would never have been able to get in a bunch of adults' faces like that without getting some serious pushback, and that's exactly why you'll only see cowards like him bully kids that are smaller than he is.

Hmmm. Could you give me an example or two?
An example of what ... some of your uses of complimentary or pejorative adjectives ?

Yes.

B.
See emboldened words for three pejorative words, then three complimentary words:

What they got right, though, was in portraying the disrespectful behaviour of a gang of white boys toward a native American peacemaker.

You could have bolded the word "white" because I guarantee you (from experience on other threads) that he's using that as a pejorative, too.

Fellow Aspirant

23rd February 2019, 19:14

Fellow Aspirant

23rd February 2019, 19:21

It's as plain as the smirk on his face that he was targeting the drummer and intending to intimidate him.
I have usually been skeptical of various theories put forth that we are living in multiple, parallel, universes, timelines, dimensions or such.

After reading some of the comments on this thread, I am not quite so skeptical.

In other words, a bit less cryptically, what I saw in the videos of that event, with the drumming Native American walking up and into the face of the Catholic high school student is not reconcilable with what I take your post, and some other earlier posts on this thread, to be saying.

If I had been that student, and of the age that he is now, and that happened to me, I can imagine that I might have a rather stupid, forced, grin on my face, covering up an inner thought of "Wtf is he (the drumming Indian) doing?"

The situation that those Catholic students found themselves in, first with the prolonged and provocative insults from the "black muslims", and then with the drumming Indian getting in their face, was rather rude towards those students. I am impressed that that student had the discipline to just stand there, with a strained smile on his face, avoiding any responding motion, as that could have, likely would have, been (mis)construed as a threatening motion.

So the Lying Lame Stream Media had no recourse but to try to stir up outrage over a brief, unmoving, strained smile.

A million murdered in wars in the Middle East, arms, body parts, women, children, and drugs trafficed around the world, millions if not billions harmed by toxins in our food, water, air, meds, and surrounds, world leaders assassinated, false provocations staged for false wars, ... and that media hides those stories. But a high school student flashes a brief, strained smile after having been put in a most awkward situation with the rest of his class for the previous hour, and the story leads the evening news.

... what is this world coming to?

Well, I have to differ with you when you describe his facial expression as a "smile". As posted by me in another part of this thread, it's actually an expression of disrespect, a "smirk". Here are some definitions of such an expression. I think most of us can agree that Sandmann's look fits these descriptions and therefore his intent.

Smirk Definitions

A smirk is a smile evoking insolence, scorn, or offensive smugness, falling into the category of what Desmond Morris described as Deformed-compliment Signals.[1]

The specific meaning of a mocking or unpleasant, malicious smile or grin develops in Early Modern English, but until the 18th century, it could still be used in the generic sense " to smile".[4]

Historical examples

George Puttenham in the 16th century described what he called “a mock with a scornful countenance as in some smiling sort looking aside”.[5]

"A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffling activity of the body, are strong indications of futility," the Earl of Chesterfield once wrote in a letter to his son.[6]

German-born psychiatrist Fritz Perls considered the most difficult patients to be the clever know-it-alls, recognisable by what he called “a specific kind of smile, a kind of smirk, a smirk that says, 'Oh, you're an idiot! I know better. I can outwit you and control you'”.[7]

The general feel you get from this expression is of condescending superiority. "Cut the bull$%^& and give me a break..". It's very disheartening and degrading gesture to say the least - use this expression in an argument and it automatically becomes personal.

A smirk is specific kind of smile, one that suggests self-satisfaction, smugness, or even pleasure at someone else's unhappiness or misfortune.

Smirk can function as either a noun or a verb: "Wipe that smirk off your face. Don't smirk at me, buddy: you're gonna get yours next!" A smirk implies you think you're better than the person you're smirking at. Ever heard of the term "service with a smile"? Yeah, well, there's a reason it's not "service with a smirk."

1. The definition of a smirk is a conceited or arrogant smile or facial expression.
An example of a smirk is the conceited smile you might get after you have just defeated an opponent.

verb
1. To smirk is to make a conceited and arrogant facial expression or to smile in an arrogant way.

When you give an arrogant smile after defeating your opponent, this is an example of a smirk.

Brian