Trump is NOT the answer

[Zamolxe]

Regarding his economic achievements, I can't disagree that the economy was going well, and kept growing.

But how much of that is Trump's merit and how much of it is just the normal constant growth?

Look at this graph and tell me:

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Referring to the manufacturing sector, Trump said, "I brought back 700,000 jobs." By contrast, Trump said, under President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, Trump’s 2020 opponent, "They brought back nothing."
The actual rise prior to the coronavirus pandemic was about 450,000 manufacturing jobs. (If you do account for the recession prompted by the pandemic, which is not advisable since the economy is so volatile at the moment, manufacturing employment has declined by 237,000.)

The situation under Obama is trickier to parse.

During Obama’s entire tenure in the White House, manufacturing employment fell by 192,000. Keep in mind, though, that Obama inherited the Great Recession. A fair comparison between Trump and Biden excludes both recessions.

From the low point of the recession in 2010, the manufacturing sector added 916,000 jobs on Obama’s watch. That was roughly seven years, about twice the amount Trump’s been in office, so on an annual basis, the manufacturing employment gains per year were roughly similar between the two presidents. In fact, you can see in the chart that the pace of increase was fairly constant for Obama’s final seven years and Trump’s first three years."


Again, would like to point out that I do not consider Obama any better than Trump, just comparing apples with apples.





Also, regarding the economy, you do know that he enacted a huge corporate tax cut during his tenure. Which of course will give a boost to the economy.

But that lead to a huge increase in the deficit and debt.

Avalon used to have all these discussions about the US debt, and how that is a bad thing. Did that all change in the past years?

"The U.S. national debt has ballooned under the administration of President Donald Trump, increasing by nearly $7 trillion in less than four years."

"Less than a week after Treasury Secretary Mnuchin repeated the fanciful claim that the Trump tax cuts of 2017 would pay for themselves, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) proved him wrong. If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster revenue growth that comes from faster economic growth. Deficits immediately shot up after the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high for the foreseeable future. This is the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves. "

"Federal spending by the Trump administration is around 6.6 percent higher than it was before he took office, equating to around $255 billion."

You know... he is fueling growth with debt, a debt that your children will have to pay...


Leaving this graph here regarding growth:

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[Zamolxe]

Another point you bring up is Iran.

"First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program."

Also, the deal PREVENTED Iran from enriching Uranium, guaranteeing constant inspections of their nuclear facilities.

After he unilaterally tore up the deal:

"As of now, Iran is enriching uranium up to 4.5%, in violation of the accord's limit of 3.67%. Experts say Iran now has enough low-enriched uranium stockpiled for at least two nuclear weapons, if it chose to pursue them."

"Iran confirmed on Tuesday it is now enriching uranium to 20 per cent purity, well beyond the threshold set by its 2015 nuclear deal with major powers, sparking international concern."


So basically we have to thank Trump for pushing Iran into a corner and allowing them to get weapons-grade uranium. Quite the opposite of what you listed.

[Zamolxe]

Also, one more point regarding the military, as Ernie mentioned this before as one of his accomplishments:



He modernized the armed forces.

I used to believe that the members of Avalon were mostly against "US militarism".

And how is giving the military industrial complex a huge bonus considered an anti-deep state move?

"President Donald Trump approved a colossal defense bill Friday that authorizes a topline of $738 billion for fiscal year 2020."

"Trump is blasting the military-industrial complex. But he's one of its biggest boosters."

Again... we come back to the same point Rhetoric vs actions

[Maunagarjana]

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[Grey Brain]

Zamolxe,

Hmmm honestly I'm confused because I thought I commented on a thread asking why he was considered saviour... did that thread get merged with a similar thread that is asking a different question? I wasn't saying MY views, I was just saying why I thought people see him as a saviour... I don't partake in that line of thought myself\





Mod note from Bill:
Yes, the threads were merged, as the themes were very similar.


EDIT after Bill's edit:

Understood, just wanted to clarify as my comment didn't quite make sense/seemed slightly off topic to Zamolxe unless it was understood that the question I was responding to was 'why is Trump savior'.

[Zamolxe]

Yes indeed, it seems to have been merged. The topic of my thread was to gather evidence that showed why he is considered a savior. Never have I started presenting arguments out of the blue on why "Trump is NOT the answer"

All I posted were counter arguments to what people posted on that thread as to why Trump was viewed highly.
As some posts were factually and objectively wrong, I saw it fit to present the actual facts and not let disinformation be unchecked.

Unfortunately, now that thread will be buried from view. It is what it is...

[Grey Brain]

Yes indeed, it seems to have been merged. The topic of my thread was to gather evidence that showed why he is considered a savior. Never have I started presenting arguments out of the blue on why "Trump is NOT the answer"

All I posted were counter arguments to what people posted on that thread as to why Trump was viewed highly.
As some posts were factually and objectively wrong, I saw it fit to present the actual facts and not let disinformation be unchecked.

Unfortunately, now that thread will be buried from view. It is what it is...

Right, and just for further clarification: I was only addressing 'why people view him as Saviour', not saying the actions took place (but some did, to be fair)


The point of this thread is to figure out when do we start practicing critical thinking and start discerning empty rhetoric from clear actions. I keep hearing the same lines "people like him because he spoke against...".
Is that all that takes to become president? Just have rallies and speeches in which you attack the most populist issues... and then take absolutely no actions towards those goals?

Well depends who 'we' is. For everybody to critically think and exercise discernment, we have a hard never. Not everyone. Human nature.

I agree with your overall sentiment, as long as you apply it evenly across the board. I think it would be interesting to look at his words/actions compared to other contemporary presidents and world leaders. When relatively speaking, I don't think it's as bad as some at all, but again I have never voted and probably never will, I have never trusted any of it, so I did not pay as close attention. I don't feel like I could actually get a firm enough grasp on all related happenings to really properly assess this anyway.

Now my personal view, as long as we have a bunch of nothing being done by everyone - I can appreciate certain intentions being openly stated as there is power in that of itself. That being said, it has been used to further division and to delegitimize aspects of real problems (as has QAnon, etc ~ cointelpro style) but still... if it is business as usual anyway, might as well have 'down with the corrupt political system and globalists' blaring on the loudspeakers. No he is not going to save everyone, he is not the answer, etc... I think humanity collectively coming together once it gets bad enough will be the answer. I've learned the hard way all my life that only YOU can save YOURSELF.

[Zamolxe]

Yes indeed, it seems to have been merged. The topic of my thread was to gather evidence that showed why he is considered a savior. Never have I started presenting arguments out of the blue on why "Trump is NOT the answer"

All I posted were counter arguments to what people posted on that thread as to why Trump was viewed highly.
As some posts were factually and objectively wrong, I saw it fit to present the actual facts and not let disinformation be unchecked.

Unfortunately, now that thread will be buried from view. It is what it is...

Right, and just for further clarification: I was only addressing 'why people view him as Saviour', not saying the actions took place (but some did, to be fair)


The point of this thread is to figure out when do we start practicing critical thinking and start discerning empty rhetoric from clear actions. I keep hearing the same lines "people like him because he spoke against...".
Is that all that takes to become president? Just have rallies and speeches in which you attack the most populist issues... and then take absolutely no actions towards those goals?

Well depends who 'we' is. For everybody to critically think and exercise discernment, we have a hard never. Not everyone. Human nature.

I agree with your overall sentiment, as long as you apply it evenly across the board. I think it would be interesting to look at his words/actions compared to other contemporary presidents and world leaders. When relatively speaking, I don't think it's as bad as some at all, but again I have never voted and probably never will, I have never trusted any of it, so I did not pay as close attention. I don't feel like I could actually get a firm enough grasp on all related happenings to really properly assess this anyway.

Now my personal view, as long as we have a bunch of nothing being done by everyone - I can appreciate certain intentions being openly stated as there is power in that of itself. That being said, it has been used to further division and to delegitimize aspects of real problems (as has QAnon, etc ~ cointelpro style) but still... if it is business as usual anyway, might as well have 'down with the corrupt political system and globalists' blaring on the loudspeakers. No he is not going to save everyone, he is not the answer, etc... I think humanity collectively coming together once it gets bad enough will be the answer. I've learned the hard way all my life that only YOU can save YOURSELF.


Just to be clear, I am for holding every politician accountable for his actions. And I am equally dismayed when I see people bootlicking Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
But that happened more naturally, it would take a different thread to discuss it in detail.

What I have seen in the past years after Trump's election was disinformation at a level that I didn't even think possible. It seems that social media has transformed people into being even more naive and gullible, as they form homogenous groups and close theirselves inside echo chambers, bubbles where they bounce around their own views without accepting any conflicting outside opinions.




I think humanity collectively coming together once it gets bad enough will be the answer.


Not if at that point in time, another con-man appears and drifts us in the wrong direction or even worse, drives a wedge between us.

I think we need to get tougher and smarter, learn to think more critically and practice discernment in order to be immune to the manipulation and disinformation that has flooded our society in the past years. Only then will we be strong enough to fight off these grifters and scam artists and not keep falling for "nigerian princes" with a bank account under our name... And stop forming cult-like followings for these scammers.

When I "started my journey".. I used to hear a lot of people reffering to "sheeple" that watch CNN and believe all of their lies.
Now I see that this exact community is even more blindly swallowing any BS just because it comes from the "truther" side of the internet. They seem to be even more ignorant than the "sheeple" they were patronizing.

If all they saw in those "sheeple" was a group of people that they can feel superior to, because they had the absolute truth and the others didn't... then they haven't learned anything in the lines of awareness, logical analysis, perception and reasoning... and it was all just an ego trip.

[Zamolxe]

It seems that I have upset the state of affairs by challenging the narrative on this forum.
I have been contacted by Bill Ryan who has questioned me of why I am posting about american politics... even though I have not posted any hostile or offensive message.

I don't want to stop people from their regular programming and send anyone into damage control because someone is bringing factual evidence that confronts the claims posted here, which all seem to lean in one direction.
I hope I did not cause the top posters to slow down their usual information sharing.

I do not have any hidden motives, just time to spare while in my last days of quarantine.

If I've managed to convince even one reader to have a more open mind and fight against cognitive dissonance to escape their bubble, then I am truly happy.

And for you, the silent reader that doesn't post... you are not alone! Don't think for a second that what you read on forums is the opinion of the majority. Most of the top posters on any website are usually not authentic and it is their job to manipulate you. (not pointing a finger at Avalon, just the internet in general)

Good luck to all in your journeys... and please, try to be more critical with information you read on the web.

Cheers!

[Kryztian]

Cross posting from another thread. Zamolxe writes a comprehensive summary of the negatives for four years of Donald Trump.




It's been 4 years, I will leave a list of accomplishments here that seem to oppose our morals and principles regarding mother earth, peace, fighting big corporations and standing up for the little man.


protected Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman after killing Khashoghi because "they give us a lot of money"... seems you can buy a license to kill for the correct price
sold bombs to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and UAE despite congressional objections that it would lead to Saudis dropping bombs on civilians in Yemen
cut taxes for corporations
appointed Scott Pruitt to EPA after he dedicated his life to combating federal environment regulations and fighting for big oil
advanced construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines - Keystone XL pipeline approved by President Trump, spilled 210,000 gallons of oil near the border of South Dakota and North Dakota Nov 17 2017
rolled back offshore drilling regulations put in place after the BP Deepwater Horizon
drafted a proposal to open 94% of previously protected American shorelines to offshore drilling
authorized five companies to use seismic airguns to search for offshore oil and gas. In doing so, the administration disregarded the federal government’s estimate that airgun testing poses a threat to many marine mammals, including dolphins and whales.
nominated David Bernhardt to be Secretary of the Interior, a role responsible for the management and conservation of federal land and natural resources. A former oil lobbyist, Bernhardt played a key role in rolling back the protection of endangered species
signed executive orders that would make it easier for gas and oil companies to lay pipelines without being blocked by states citing the Clean Water Act
relaxed regulations for drilling for oil and gas off Florida’s coast, Trump’s Interior Department planned to open up drilling off the state’s coast — but not until after the November election.
Trump administration announced that it would begin selling leases for oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a vast area of undisturbed wilderness in Alaska
eliminated an Obama-era rule that required oil and gas companies to repair methane leaks.
rolled back an Obama-era regulation that required oil companies to provide purchasing information when buying minerals from foreign governments. Concerned that oil companies would purchase oil from corrupt and violent foreign administrations, the SEC had originally said Obama’s regulation would “combat government corruption through transparency and accountability.” The repeal had long been on the oil lobby’s wish list, and will save oil industry giants about half a billion dollars per year in compliance costs
Scott Pruitt’s schedule showed he held near-daily meetings with oil lobbyists, automobile company executives, and other industry leaders, while making almost no time for environmental advocates
Scott Pruitt told a crowd at the Kentucky Farm Bureau that he would like to remove all tax credits given to wind and solar energy
signed an executive order that instructed the Bureau of Land Management to lift a moratorium on new coal mining leases for federal land
in his first budget proposal, Donald Trump boosted defense and security spending by $54 billion. He proposed slashing the budget for non-defense spending in areas like education, science, poverty programs, and environmental protection by almost the same amount
EPA would withdraw mining restrictions on Alaska’s headwaters, opening the door to a major mining facility in the area. This reversal came after an EPA study concluded the mine could decimate salmon populations in the area, and thereby harm native Alaskans whose culture depended heavily on salmon.
for the second most powerful position at the Environmental Protection Agency, Donald Trump nominated Andrew Wheeler, a long-time coal lobbyist who had served as legal counsel for some of the largest coal mining companies in America
Donald Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt moved to repeal the Clean Power Act, introduced by Obama to lower carbon dioxide emissions 32 percent by 2030
Trump called for $8.6 billion for his border wall in his budget proposal for fiscal year 2020. The same budget called for increased spending for the Department of Homeland Security and a 31% spending cut to the Environmental Protection Agency
The EPA issued the final Affordable Clean Energy Rule, which rolled back power-plant regulations established under President Obama
proposed major changes to the National Environmental Policy Act. The new rules would allow federal agencies to bypass consideration of the environmental impact of proposed infrastructure projects
EPA finalized its revised Navigable Waters Protection Rule. Under Trump, protections for many rivers, streams, and wetlands were now officially removed
Perchlorate, a toxic chemical compound used in rocket fuel, has been found to contaminate water, causing fetal and infant brain damage. The Obama administration planned to regulate the chemical, but the Environmental Protection Agency, led by Trump’s appointee Andrew Wheeler, went against the decision, saying that the regulation was “not in the public interest.”
multiple conflicts of interest either using or promoting his business through his office
kept pushing to hold the G7 summit at a Trump resort
government officials and special interest groups being hosted at trump hotels and his golf clubs. Overcharging the secret service and officials for their stay at his properties. Having Qatari, Kuweiti and Saudi delegations repeatedly organize events at his hotels, placing huge amounts of money in his pockets. Basically, they bought his influence with direct payments.
attacked syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles killed approx 100 syrians
encouraged the continuation of the bombing of Yemen declared the Houthis as terrorists
btw, before he was president he was very much pro-wars: he was for invading Lybia in 2011, he agreed to the first Gulf War, for invading North Korea:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-is-often-more-hawkish-than-the-washington-elites/502145/
aggression towards Iran, airstrike that killed Qassim Suleimani. Threatening sites “important to Iran & the Iranian culture”
Trump administration helped GOP donors get Syria oil deal
"Rayburn also admitted that the Trump administration had actually pushed for Delta Crescent Energy — and no other companies — to receive permission to exploit Syrian oil."
Trump Says U.S. Troops Stayed in Syria 'Because I Kept the Oil'
has pardoned four Blackwater security guards who were given lengthy prison sentences for killing 14 civilians in Baghdad in 2007, a massacre that caused international uproar
pardoned multiple corrupt politicians, donors or allies
"This administration has not only surpassed the previous one’s drone strike volume overseas, it has made the drone wars even more secretive, if that’s possible.
According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238."
"Trump's air strikes in Afghanistan dramatically increased civilian deaths: Report
The US's easing of restrictions on aerial strikes has led to an increase of attacks across the Middle East, Afghanistan and neighbouring countries"
U.S. national debt has ballooned under the administration of President Donald Trump, increasing by nearly $7 trillion in less than four years.
Federal spending by the Trump administration is around 6.6 percent higher than it was before he took office, equating to around $255 billion
used his final hours in office to revoke an executive order on ethics that was meant to bolster his “drain the swamp” campaign promise.
Nominating Industry Insiders From the moment he took office he continued the practice of his predecessors and continue the revolving door relationship between government and corporations
Cozy with Big Oil
Cozy with Big Pharma
Ending Investigations Into Pesticide Dangers
Making GMOs Easier To Enter the Food Supply On June 11, 2019, Trump quietly issued an executive order to “streamline” GMO regulations in the United States. The order, titled Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products
Support of and Expansion of the 5G Roll Out. Despite opposition by thousands of scientists, doctors, researchers, activists, and health professionals, Donald Trump pushed for the expansion of 5G networks, at one time calling for 6G.
Support of the Syria False Flag Narrative
Fighting to Keep Presidential Kill List Secret
Lying to the 9/11 Victims’ Families Despite making vague statements about “finding out the truth” about 9/11, Donald Trump never used his position to challenge the official narrative surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Even worse, Trump actually lied to the victims’ family members when he promised he would get to the bottom of the Saudi involvement in 9/11. Despite the families efforts to have Trump investigate Saudi Arabia, he failed to do any meaningful investigation of one of the American government’s favorite partners.
Imprisoned an American Citizen Without Trial or Charge
Continued Support of the NDAA Indefinite Detention Clause
Attempted to Block Testimony on CIA Torture
Supporting the Persecution and Prosecution of Julian Assange & Chelsea Manning


SWAMP CREATURE PROSECUTIONS: 0

REVOCATION OF PATRIOT ACT: NO

9/11 DOMESTIC CRIMINALS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE: NO

BILL GATES, G W BUSH AND **** CHENEY BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR INTERNATIONAL CRIMES: NO

PARDONED JULIAN ASSANGE – EDWARD SNOWDEN PATRIOTISM RECOGNIZED: NO

BREAK-UP OF BIG TECH CENSORSHIP CRIMINAL ORGS: NO

TAX INCREASES FOR BILLIONAIRES AND MONOPOLY CORPORATIONS: NO

INVESTING IN CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS SUCH AS DESALINIZATION PLANTS, AMBITIOUS DOMESTIC RECYCLING PROCESS FACILITIES, SUSTAINABLE TREE FARMING ON A MASS SCALE, CONSTRUCTION OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES TO REDUCE NUCLEAR REACTOR WASTE AND RISK: NO


He also didn't "Lock her up".

[Philippe]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-melania-trump-covid-shot-b1809850.html

Donald and Melania Trump both received the Covid vaccine before leaving the White House in January, said an adviser.

I did not see any proof of their vaccinations but you can listen to this extract of Trumps CPAC speech. Total populist talk and indeed promoting the dangerous, poisonous and unnecessary vaccines. Difficult to believe he is bluffing , he seems to believe it. We better move on in France and handle our world here.

As the vaccination hysteria engulfs now the whole planet things get more crazy by the day. In psychotherapy delusions and psychotic breaks can come to the surface before progress and healing can occur. For now progress is not visible but as total loss of hope is reached it is also an indicator that the core of planetary insanity is being unearthed.

The Health Ranger has also had it with Trump:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-01-situation-update-mar-1st-vaccine-depopulation-weapons-gop.html

[AutumnW]

Just to be clear, Biden sure as heck isn't the answer either. That dessicated waste of skin just bombed Syria a few days back.

[Journeyman]

I am in the slightly weird position of believing that there's definitely something in the Q source, but that there are plenty of warning signs about Trump. I came to this conclusion way back and obviously hope that things will work out for the best, but the concerns have always been there...

My biggest worry by far is the vaccines and how they fit in to the entire covid affair. Trump endorsed them and has on several occasions sought to take credit for his getting behind them via 'Project Warp Speed'. There's already alarm bells ringing on that via the occult references in the Warp Speed logo:

https://christianobserver.net/operation-warp-speed-seal-opens-chakras/

With that in mind I read this post (https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/13619086.html#q13619169)on the QResearch board:



Trump keeps saying he gets credit for the Warp Speed Making of the Vaccine.

Is Trump telling us he disrupted the evil plans?

Is he saying that by making it so quickly…he cut off their five year plan? Is that why he keeps telling us that it usually takes five years?

Is this why he keeps repeating that IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN FIVE YEARS WITHOUT HIM? Is he telling us he knew of their evil plan and he is taking it apart?

Is he trying to tell us they planned to keep us locked down for five years until MARCH 2025?

Just like they wrote in their play book? And right out of the World Bank’s Strategic Preparedness and Response plans below in a screen shot that shows that COVID-19 is a project that is planned to continue until the end of March 2025!

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/04/26/is-president-trump-trying-to-tell-us-something-via-warpspeed-comments-fact-checkers-cannot-save-those-guilty-of-bio-warfare/

Which then had me thinking of 'Lockstep':

https://fightingmonarch.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/click-here-to-read-scenarios-for-the-future-of-technology-and-international-development-by-the-rockefeller-foundation.pdf

https://fightingmonarch.com/2020/08/18/grace-van-berkum-calls-the-covid-19-plandemic-as-the-rockefellers-lockstep-scenario/

and had me wondering, just who is Trump addressing in that 'It would have taken five years without him' quote? Is he talking to us about the vaccine? Or to other members of TPTB and saying he's cut the timing from 5 years to one? With him at the helm having won the trust of the American right, endorsing the vaccines has probably led to a far greater takeup than if Obama or Biden had been in power, when suspicion of the Govt would've been far higher?

Most of my family and friends will soon be vaccinated and I pray they will be ok, but I am deeply concerned because the level of deception over covid is off the chart. If the vaccines are destined to leave much of our nations in peril and disarray and famine and illness force people into seeking help from the state, perhaps FEMA and their equivalents will have a purpose for all this lumber that's being stockpiled:

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I know this may come across as gloomy, even apocalyptic, but I often think of his curious choice of the snake poem, which I believe he read more than once during his campaign and it always gives me a chill, because he begins with yet more of the masonic hand signals which he constantly employs one way of interpreting this is as 'revelation of the method' some kind of karmic get out?

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More on Lockstep and Warp Speed here:

https://fightingmonarch.com/2020/08/18/grace-van-berkum-calls-the-covid-19-plandemic-as-the-rockefellers-lockstep-scenario/

Of course there's plenty to be found about Trump's family connections to the Deep State, the Masonic symbolism within Trump Towers, Apollo references in the 'Devil's Advocate' flat, and the whole 'Tip of the Spear' thing, but that's enough gloom for one day!

Just wanted to see if anyone else had similar concerns?

[greybeard]

Journeyman
I dont have doubts about the overall direction the "Trump team" is going.
BUT!!!
I am concerned about Trump pushing the vaccine.

I cherry pick -- I promote that what suits me ie I believe that the Cabal has to be defeated-- the end almost justifies the means, but I have limits on how far I would go to defeat the "enemy" I would hope to find a legal way.
Chris

[Journeyman]

Journeyman
I dont have doubts about the overall direction the "Trump team" is going.
BUT!!!
I am concerned about Trump pushing the vaccine.

I cherry pick -- I promote that what suits me ie I believe that the Cabal has to be defeated-- the end almost justifies the means, but I have limits on how far I would go to defeat the "enemy" I would hope to find a legal way.
Chris

Thanks Chris. To be honest I think I cherry pick a fair by myself as well. Things have looked pretty grim and it's been some comfort to see the occasional piece of info that fits in with a 'the world unites to fight the cabal' narrative.

My post above is about the evidence that suggests that there's another layer to this and not one which is as positive. On a broader level I worry about a 'false messiah' script being followed, where TPTB choose to first expose and then destroy the existing control structure, only to have their replacement already prepared and ready to slide into place. How great an authority would be wielded by those that take down a 6000 year old death cult? Would anyone stand against them? It could be the perfect vehicle to launch a new level of control on the world, all in the name of peace naturally.

All this suspicion on my part doesn't mean I don't hope that the world unites narrative turns out to be the true one. :highfive:

[greybeard]

Lesser of two evils perhaps!!
Only history will show the full path of this.
Chris

[ceetee9]

While I still believe Trump is sincere about his love of our country and all people--as evidenced by a lifetime of helping people of all races and economic levels--but I must admit that when he endorsed the vaccine path I was taken aback. He was aware of safe and effective treatments like Hydroxychloroquine since he was taking it and touted it. I wondered why he'd push for a vaccine, but then I thought perhaps he did so to help quell public fears and to buy time and/or to lull some of the cabal into thinking maybe he could be bought. Who knows, but if he is the "snake" my bet is that he'll bite the cabal and not the people. Time will tell I guess.

[Philippe]

Hereunder is a possible explanation. A political move, but it is not my cup of tea. The power of the vaccine industry seems immense and they are everywhere with judicial protection. Even the Sputnik vaccine is of the same recipe as the AstraZeneca.

How Trump’s Vaccines Prevent the Great Reset and Save Humanity

https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/04/how-trumps-vaccines-prevent-the-great-reset-and-save-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR2hkrsFkJO-yvN8rLxwWYjttGI7Lb7BQOBY7omQx5y515hiyyBHUu5bxto

The purpose is clear: the system is totally broken and the social security needs a solution with less costs for hospitalizations and care. Only solution is the stealth elimination by slow euthanasia. The egoistic inhuman powers will not open up their wallets with their billions to help suffering mankind. May they all go to jail for the rest of their days.

[ceetee9]

Hereunder is a possible explanation. A political move, but it is not my cup of tea. The power of the vaccine industry seems immense and they are everywhere with judicial protection. Even the Sputnik vaccine is of the same recipe as the AstraZeneca.

How Trump’s Vaccines Prevent the Great Reset and Save Humanity

https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/04/how-trumps-vaccines-prevent-the-great-reset-and-save-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR2hkrsFkJO-yvN8rLxwWYjttGI7Lb7BQOBY7omQx5y515hiyyBHUu5bxto

The purpose is clear: the system is totally broken and the social security needs a solution with less costs for hospitalizations and care. Only solution is the stealth elimination by slow euthanasia. The egoistic inhuman powers will not open up their wallets with their billions to help suffering mankind. May they all go to jail for the rest of their days.

WOW! Thank you Philippe for posting the link to Dr. Fetzer's article. It makes total sense (IMHO).

[Journeyman]

Hereunder is a possible explanation. A political move, but it is not my cup of tea. The power of the vaccine industry seems immense and they are everywhere with judicial protection. Even the Sputnik vaccine is of the same recipe as the AstraZeneca.

How Trump’s Vaccines Prevent the Great Reset and Save Humanity

https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/04/how-trumps-vaccines-prevent-the-great-reset-and-save-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR2hkrsFkJO-yvN8rLxwWYjttGI7Lb7BQOBY7omQx5y515hiyyBHUu5bxto

The purpose is clear: the system is totally broken and the social security needs a solution with less costs for hospitalizations and care. Only solution is the stealth elimination by slow euthanasia. The egoistic inhuman powers will not open up their wallets with their billions to help suffering mankind. May they all go to jail for the rest of their days.

Thanks Philippe. There's one comment underneath that sums up my issue with Fetzer's take:


. I will say however that there’s an abundance of evidence proving that the exact opposite of what Mr. Fetzer suggests here is true. For openers, the Left made more gains under Trump than in other time in US history: total loss of civil liberties, repeated assaults on our history, on our institutions, statues torn down, constitutional rights vanished, rioting, police defunded, elections stolen, minorities dictating to the majority. The Right would’ve never stayed quiet and allowed any of this under Pres. Hillary. These gains are irreversible, there’s no going back. We’re now on the verge of forced vaccinations, nano-chips and digital currency. Operation Warp Speed, the premeditated genocide of Americans, had Trump as its main force. Again, it would’ve never worked under Hillary. What kind of patriotic “plan” would allow the poisoning of 150 million Americans, which is the number of American who have been already injected?

Unfortunately he doesn't respond to the most relevant aspects and focuses on the Jan 6th faked insurrection.

What I don't accept, is that everyone who took the vaccines were well informed and should've known better and it's all on them if they subsequently suffer from them:


Of course it is tragic that people suffer from the vaccines. But let’s be honest: the amount of information warning the world for these vaccines is so immense, so overwhelming…. It is indeed a conscious choice of many people to deny all this wisdom, and as Trump said on Twitter to ‘kill themselves’.

when Fetzer also said earlier in the piece:


For decades the mainstream media and criminal health institutions have indoctrinated all of humanity with the lie that vaccines are the only way to stay healthy, and defeat infectious diseases.


Maybe this is all designed to take everyone to the edge of the precipice and show what nearly happened, or maybe it's designed so that enough people won't protest before they reach the edge of the precipice and are then shoved off it.

[onawah]

Trump is Toast
4/23/22
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/trump-is-toast/

(Is he really that stupid, or is he just a different faction of the NWO, thinking that we're all that stupid?
And what of the unconstitutionality of the whole plandemic, our loss of freedoms.
Either way, imho, Trump is still not the answer....)


"This video of Donald Trump bragging and taking credit for the vaxx is the ultimate Red Pill.

He claims that he “saved millions of lives” by accelerating the release of the vaxx through Operation Warp Speed.

Is he talking about the clot shot, with over 2 million reports of adverse events and nearly 37,000 deaths, estimated to be only 1-10% of the actual figures?There has never been a more deadly vaccine unleashed upon the world. What is he talking about?

Some Trump aficionados believe that Operation Warp Speed upended the precise planning of the Deep State and that by releasing the vaxx early, he really did save millions of lives from an economy dismantled by 5 years of lockdowns.

The argument is that he prevented major loss of life from years of modern day siege warfare (“lockdowns”), such as what’s now happening in Shanghai.But why, having successfully saved millions of lives two years ago would Trump still have to remain cryptic about the vaxx? Why would he still have to speak in code about it today?

With all of these injuries and deaths attributed to the vaxx, why wouldn’t he use his influence to discuss shutting the whole thing down, along with the associated vaxx passports?

Remember when Trump defunded the WHO?

Did someone pay Trump to take a dive or is he angling for the Branch Covidian vote?

Like virtually all of his base, I don’t want to live in a future where vaccination status is a topic of discussion, let alone the new operating system of a dystopian financial system/metaverse.

Anyone who does not completely reject this fascistic model is a dire threat to the future of humanity and should be removed from office and not let anywhere near the government.

Trump sounds like a bribed vaccine salesman in this video. He couldn’t be more tone deaf and abusive of his base, many of whom were force-vaxxed and who’ve been injured and who lost loved ones.

In our endless hellscape of non-stop PSYOPs, we’ve learned a lot in recent years. If there’s one thing I would really love to see is communications that are true, clear and not oozing with duplicitous mind rape at all times.

As Owen Shroyer says here:

“Here he is, admitting his base doesn’t like the vaxxine – but yet, he’s trying to double-, triple-, quadruple-down on it, saying, ‘I’m fully the one to blame for the vaxxine’?

“I mean, that is a losing argument, Bro!

“So, are we supposed to believe that this was Donald Trump’s baby, this vaxxine? Are we really supposed to believe that this was Donald Trump’s baby?

“Does he not see how mis-measured of a stance that is to take?

“Now, if that’s accurate, that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms to open…

“He’s clearly not going to back down on this. He’s going to go to his political grave with this and it’s a horrible mis-measurement.”

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[onawah]

Trump just came off here as a rude jerk, imho, and an alarmist.
What did he accomplish by openly insulting Piers Morgan except to make himself look more like a narcissist than ever?
Just creating more division.
I don't think Spirit will allow the world to be blown to pieces, and making a prediction like that isn't helpful either, but I think the US will be much better off with a younger, more vital, less jaded, less controversial POTUS (someone like De Santis), and if Trump really cares as much as he says he does, I hope he's helping to make that happen.

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[Arcturian108]

Trump just came off here as a rude jerk, imho, and an alarmist.
What did he accomplish by openly insulting Piers Morgan except to make himself look more like a narcissist than ever?
Just creating more division.
I don't think Spirit will allow the world to be blown to pieces, and making a prediction like that isn't helpful either, but I think the US will be much better off with a younger, more vital, less jaded, less controversial POTUS (someone like De Santis), and if Trump really cares as much as he says he does, I hope he's helping to make that happen.

zOXezcmXLgM

I don't believe you understand what it means to be a frank New Yorker. Nothing Trump said was narcissistic. Unlike every other politician and media person he is just stating the truth. Our world has already been fractured in so many ways which has nothing to do with Trump. While president, he was a lonely figure who was rumored to have avoided 25 assassination attempts. That is what we all don't know about him.

[wondering]

Onawah, I am encouraged to think that Spirit won't allow the world to be blown to pieces. Will Spirit allow the world to be destroyed by flood, fire, land upheaval or other results of the pending pole shift?

[onawah]

The world wasn't destroyed by previous magnetic pole reversals, but there were certainly widespread cataclysms and losses of life.
I expect that will be the case with the coming one, and we are already seeing the early stages.
Humanity hasn't come close to figuring out how to prevent the natural cycles of the Universe, and I don't see any sign that we are going to avoid this one.

There have been indications that ETs might curtail an all-out nuclear war in order to preserve the planet, and also to prevent far-reaching consequences to other planets in our solar system and beings living in other dimensions.
But there is no knowing how much or how effective such interventions might be, though there is evidence that there have been nuclear wars in the distant past on Earth and on Mars, which doesn't seem to factor in in humanity's favor.

If the present insanity continues, life could become an Orwellian hell on Earth for most via the Great Reset, in any case.
I think that will be curtailed, but the real question is how long will people continue to be distracted by the machinations of the elite, preventing them from preparing for Nature's clean up cycle?

Onawah, I am encouraged to think that Spirit won't allow the world to be blown to pieces. Will Spirit allow the world to be destroyed by flood, fire, land upheaval or other results of the pending pole shift?



I don't believe you understand what it means to be a frank New Yorker. Nothing Trump said was narcissistic. Unlike every other politician and media person he is just stating the truth. Our world has already been fractured in so many ways which has nothing to do with Trump. While president, he was a lonely figure who was rumored to have avoided 25 assassination attempts. That is what we all don't know about him.

I was born on the East Coast and lived in NYC for awhile, and knew some New Yorkers fairly well, but I didn't see that directly insulting and humiliating people to their face in public was a common characteristic.
Morgan was doing Trump and the public a service by interviewing him, and for Trump to straight up tell him he was dishonest and "not real" was simply cruel, and that is a very narcissistic thing to do.
But then, Trump has been saying and doing plenty of things that are characteristic of narcissists for a long time.
I certainly don't disagree with his statement that the US and the world are in a terrible mess, but I still don't see him as a saviour, though he did save us from Hillary at least, and I'm thankful for that but it was still a matter of choosing the lesser evil.
I imagine he knew what he was in for when he ran for POTUS, but I would be surprised if he subjects himself to that again unless there is some Deep State faction that is backing him.
What Dark Journalist has been warning us about is Continuation of Government (ie martial law), and if Trump was elected again, that would probably give them a good excuse to go there, and that could be disastrous.
De Santis is gaining popularity even among Democrats, and if he ran and was elected, he would probably do a good job and wouldn't have people up in arms like Trump would, thereby depriving the Deep State of an excuse for declaring COG.

[onawah]

Donald Trump: 'I saved tens of millions of lives'
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"Former US President Donald Trump says his actions against COVID-19 saved "tens of millions of lives" worldwide as he insists he took the pandemic "very seriously".

Mr Trump told Sky News Australia host Piers Morgan he doesn't accept criticisms he didn't take the pandemic seriously while in the top job.

"I don't accept that," Mr Trump said.

"I'm a cheerleader for this country ... I take everything seriously and I took that very seriously.

"Our country came out of it better than anybody else – we've done a great job."

IR1LaaxaE-E

Anyone who thinks Trump saved tens of millions of lives by pushing through the Plandemic needs to take a look at the (likely) tens of thousands of posts
on this forum about all the damage that vaccines have done, and likely (sadly) will continue to do.

[TomKat]

Trump paved the way for the plandemic in 2019 -- he was in on it:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-modernizing-influenza-vaccines-united-states-promote-national-security-public-health/

[onawah]

Trump Admin Sleight Of Hand: President Pulls Out Of WHO – Gives Billions To Gates-Founded GAVI
Tim Brown / July 8, 2020
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/trump-sleight-of-hand-president-pulls-out-of-who-gives-billions-to-gates-founded-gavi/

(I didn't see that info at the time it came out, but thanks to Matthew, I see it now! :nod:)

"When President Donald Trump made the announcement that he was pulling out of the World Health Organization, his followers cheered the move, and rightly so. I even cheered that move, but I knew something was amiss, and lo and behold, it’s because he’s put our money into the Bill Gates founded GAVI Vaccine Alliance.

I’ve conducted a few interviews on GAVI, and GAVI is not part of the solution. It’s part of the problem.Derrick Broze at The Last Vagabond
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/vaccine-bait-switch-millions-pulled-from-who-trump-gives-billions-gates-founded-gavi/?fbclid=IwAR0OKh3dY9kgyaPL_3QFPZxhNa-QpIH5z93JtG5q1qmG0HViXQemQLwqghA
...has the story on the Trump deception when it comes to vaccines… which only leads to my previous suspicions that, in the end, vaccines will eventually be mandated.In mid-May US President Donald Trump announced that the US would be ending their financial support for the World Health Organization (WHO) and COVID-19 relief. The move was lambasted in the mainstream press as an out of touch politician pulling funding from a vital global health organization during the middle of a pandemic. To Trump’s supporters the decision was met with the typical cheering and celebrated as another Trump victory against the “globalists.” To understand what is actually going on we need to examine Donald Trump’s actions, not his tweets or media statements.

Let us start by looking at the funding provided by the US government to the WHO in previous years. The latest numbers from fiscal year 2018 (numbers are not available for 2019-20) show an estimated $281.6 million to the WHO from the US. The records indicate that after the US government, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance, are the 2nd and 3rd top financiers of the WHO. The US defunding the WHO actually tightens the technocrats already firm grip on another global institution.This means when Donald Trump stated the US will no longer fund the WHO, the Gates Foundation and GAVI stepped into the top financial role. Additionally, GAVI was founded by and largely funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in 2000. Either way, Bill Gates is the top donor and will continue to expand his influence and dominance of global health policy. As reported in Part 2 of my Bill Gates investigation, in 2010 the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation launched the “Decade of Vaccines” and called for a “Global Vaccine Action Plan.” Since that time they have only grown their network and influence on WHO, GAVI and other organizations in order to shape public health policy in a way that reaps profits for the Gates themselves.

While Trump’s supporters viewed the US withdrawal from WHO financing as a win for nationalism or a black eye to the globalists, the truth is a bit more nuanced.

In early June, the Trump administration declared support for GAVI to the tune of a $1.16 billion USD donation. Trump’s support for GAVI came via the first ever virtual Global Vaccine Summit. At this summit GAVI surpassed the goal of $7.4 billion, instead raising $8.8 billion USD and securing commitments from most major nations around the world. GAVI even received a $5 million dollar donation from the Rockefeller Foundation. GAVI stated that the funding will go to “routine immunization programs” and will also help the public-private partnership “play a major role in therollout of a future Covid-19 vaccine.”

More than 25 heads of state and 50 leaders of international agencies, NGOs and private industry attended the fundraising event. Participants included Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel, UN Secretary General António Guterres, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, and World Health Organization Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

UN Secretary Guterres stated that the vaccine would not be enough and instead called for “global solidarity…to ensure that every person everywhere gets access to the vaccine.” Guterres also noted that “our individual health depends on our collective health.” "


When Trump talked about stopping funding for the WHO in 2020, it turns out he was going to divert that money to the Bill Gates founded GAVI Vaccine Alliance. I suppose it was in the national interest to make sure that money went to fellow Americans, rather than a corrupted WHO, but ...talk about out of the frying pan into the fire hell; vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/trump-sleight-of-hand-president-pulls-out-of-who-gives-billions-to-gates-founded-gavi/






Matthew first posted that here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116107-Can-Trump-really-be-a---pure---White-Hat-in-this-battle&p=1498443&viewfull=1#post1498443

[Ratszinger]

I don't care how good or bad your policies may or may not be, you cannot effectively lead a country by labeling half of those you rule over as the enemy or as NAZI's! Trump didn't understand this when in office and Hillary didn't understand it when campaigning calling the opposition, 'Deplorables' but it appears Biden has not understood this either! So in my opinion no matter which side of the aisle you lean this is piss poor leadership on all counts by all of them!! None of them deserve the oval office in my opinion!

[jaybee]

Trump paved the way for the plandemic in 2019 -- he was in on it:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-modernizing-influenza-vaccines-united-states-promote-national-security-public-health/


That Executive Order may have, in hindsight, paved the way but I don't think for a minute that Trump was in on the Fake Pandemic and all that has come with it... he was heavily into creating jobs and boosting the economy mainly and I think that EO was probably put on his desk by someone who was in on it - (September 19 2019 - just before the whole 'thing' broke and a MAJOR strategic move was made by the Globalists / Deep State) Trump got (reluctantly?) embroiled in the whole pandemic / vaccine debacle - and it has cost him in terms of reputation and support in some quarters... but I think the bulk of his followers understand that he's not perfect and is doing his best under the circumstances...

[DNA]

Trump paved the way for the plandemic in 2019 -- he was in on it:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-modernizing-influenza-vaccines-united-states-promote-national-security-public-health/


That Executive Order may have, in hindsight, paved the way but I don't think for a minute that Trump was in on the Fake Pandemic and all that has come with it... he was heavily into creating jobs and boosting the economy mainly and I think that EO was probably put on his desk by someone who was in on it - (September 19 2019 - just before the whole 'thing' broke and a MAJOR strategic move was made by the Globalists / Deep State) Trump got (reluctantly?) embroiled in the whole pandemic / vaccine debacle - and it has cost him in terms of reputation and support in some quarters... but I think the bulk of his followers understand that he's not perfect and is doing his best under the circumstances...

Thanks for this jaybee.
Trump is far and away the best president in the last hundred years or so.
The plandemic sucks but it was coming anyway and using it to dethrone Trump altered their timeline and that in and of itself may have been a boon even if that's tough to see now.

Besides, hanging out with Trump fans means you are in good company.
Try hanging out with Trump haters.
Yeah go on try it, they are efn nut jobs.

You wanna live through what's coming?
You want ten Trump fans by your side or some green haired pronoun occupied triggered safe spacers?

Think about it.
Trump people are good people.

[onawah]

Under Trump, US LAWS ALL SECRETLY CHANGED TO ENABLE MASS GENOCIDE

“President Trump’s September 19th executive order coalesced all these federal agencies and gave them the power – whatever people think of him – that’s what that executive order did…this is a worldwide RICO-like operation.”

US LAWS ALL SECRETLY CHANGED TO ENABLE MASS GENOCIDE
June 19, 2022
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/us-laws-all-secretly-changed-to-enable-mass-genocide/

"Since early 2020, we’ve all been tearing our hair out, wondering how the PSYOP and information operation known as the COVID-19 Pandemic and vaccine rollout has been pulled-off on a global scale.

A picture is emerging of a government-run domestic bioterrorism program of chemical and biological weapons, funded by taxpayers, authorized by Congress and US presidents and administered through the Department of Health and human Services, the Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Institutes of Health, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice.

Now, Dr Jane Ruby says, “I believe we finally know how all of these horrific things are happening without any oversight and without any government body officials stopping the death and destruction from these bioweapon shots.”

Dr Jane is talking about the work of legal analyst and super sleuth, Katherine Watt who discovered the slow kill of American laws and the US Constitution that is legalizing tyranny, genetic damage, and the takeover of America under the guise of public health.

Watt started looking at the legal architecture that supported the COVID pandemic hoax and how it fit with the highly-coordinated pandemic story told by governments, worldwide and how it relates to the World Health Organization’s International Health Regulations of 2005.

Dr Jane says, “And what she found is, in my opinion, stunning. She said, and I quote, ‘A whole lot of things that once were federal and state crimes and civil rights violations have been legalized by Congress, through legislative statutory revisions to the United States Code, they were signed by multiple US presidents and implemented at the administrative, regulatory level by the Department of Health and Human Services. This was all done through the Code of Federal Regulations.’

“Essentially, what I believe she’s saying is, our government, slowly and deceptively changed our laws to enable the various federal agencies to commit domestic bioterrorism here, in the US and crimes on humanity, worldwide.”

The stealth, incremental dismantling of the protections of our rights throughout the 20th century is something about which I and others have been commenting for years.

For example, the passage in 2013 of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act repealed the propaganda ban in the original 1948 Smith-Mundt Act, and enabled the relentless Fake News sabotage of the Trump presidency and the media juggernaut of the COVID hoax and vaxxine rollout.

Biotech analyst and former Pfizer employee, Karen Kingston has pointed out how informed consent was waived in Section 3024 of President Obama’s 2016 21st Century Cures Act.

Watt has gone way further in her Substack post, American Domestic Bioterrorism Program: Building the case to prosecute members of Congress, presidents, HHS secretaries and federal judges for treason under 18 USC 2381:

Most of the worst laws have been passed since 2000 — just before 9/11 and the US Department of Defense false flag anthrax attacks.

They are listed below, with links to the full text of each law, and a short summary of what I understand about how each one fits into the overall scheme.

The basic goal of the architects, which has been achieved, was to set up legal conditions in which all governing power in the United States could be automatically transferred from the citizens and the three Constitutional branches into the two hands of the Health and Human Services Secretary, effective at the moment the HHS Secretary himself declared a public health emergency, legally transforming free citizens into enslaved subjects.

That happened on Jan. 31, 2020, in effect as of Jan. 27, 2020 through the present day.

In other words: Congress and US Presidents legalized and funded the overthrow of the U.S. Constitution, the U.S. government and the American people, through a massive domestic bioterrorism program relabeled as a public health program, conducted by the HHS Secretary on behalf of the World Health Organization and its financial backers.

Watt continues in a separate post:

FDA is not pulling the EUA products from the market or stopping the ‘vaccination’ campaign because Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra and FDA Commissioner Robert Califf are running the US government’s bioterrorism program jointly with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Department of Justice Attorney General Merrick Garland, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Majorkas, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel, and World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

Dr Jane notes, “President Trump’s September 19th executive order coalesced all these federal agencies and gave them the power – whatever people think of him – that’s what that executive order did…this is a worldwide RICO-like operation.”

The remedies for this horrific situation include repealing each and every law Watt cites among those systematically enacted in her blog to deprive us of our God-given rights and sovereignty.

Tore Maras has suggested retroactively impeaching Obama, to delete all of his legislation, including the “Affordable” Care Act and all of its bio surveillance language.

Watts has even discussed a temporary secession of states, in order for them to shield themselves from the tyranny of these genocidal, treasonous Globalist laws."



U.S. Laws All Secretly Changed To Enable Mass Genocide

On today’s Dr. Jane Ruby Show, Dr. Jane talks to legal analyst and super sleuth, Katherine Watt who discovered the slow kill of American laws and the U.S. Constitution and how it is legalizing tyranny, genetic damage, and takeover of America under the guise of public health and Team Enigma’s Sasha Latypova returns with more startling findings from Judicial Watch’s FOIA on Moderna, revealing how the DOD is using Fauci’s created company to execute an American Domestic Bioterrorism Program. Don’t miss the 3rd segment where Dr. Jane shows you how a new term, “Medical Countermeasures” was created to shield all criminals from accountability. It’s not just in your imagination!

https://www.brighteon.com/embed/0c1389dc-4b5a-4aa2-a012-d86431fb2c9e

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540359525919731713

The Emperor has no clothes. When will the MAGA crowd see that the GOP in general and Trump in particular do not have your best interests at heart? Watch the hearings, their own words on video, in phone calls and texts messages show the truth.

Roe Vs Wade was overturned today because 5 out of 9 Justices on the court, who were put there by GOP administrations, lied at their hearings claiming that roe v wade was a precedent that could not or would not be overturned.

Abortions are healthcare. There are many reasons for an abortion and I support all of those reasons, but even if you don't, remember that, the treatment for an ectopic pregnancy, a septic uterus, or a miscarriage that your body won’t release is abortion. If you can’t get those abortions, you die. You. Die.

Justice Thomas came out today and said they are looking at banning contraception. If you think that is unlikely, may I remind you that starting in 2016 when people said the left was overreacting to the GOP overturning Roe v Wade by stacking the court and here we are.
Griswold - Contraception
Lawrence - Same-sex relationships
Obergefell - Marriage equality
These past decisions are being opened up again.

Is this the future you want? The progress of the past 50 years is evaporating.

It does not end at abortion. Republicans will not stop until they have stripped away every freedom they can’t load with bullets.

[onawah]

Here's that video re Roe vs Wade
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The Emperor has no clothes. When will the MAGA crowd see that the GOP in general and Trump in particular do not have your best interests at heart? Watch the hearings, their own words on video, in phone calls and texts messages show the truth.

Roe Vs Wade was overturned today because 5 out of 9 Justices on the court, who were put there by GOP administrations, lied at their hearings claiming that roe v wade was a precedent that could not or would not be overturned.

Abortions are healthcare. There are many reasons for an abortion and I support all of those reasons, but even if you don't, remember that, the treatment for an ectopic pregnancy, a septic uterus, or a miscarriage that your body won’t release is abortion. If you can’t get those abortions, you die. You. Die.

Justice Thomas came out today and said they are looking at banning contraception. If you think that is unlikely, may I remind you that starting in 2016 when people said the left was overreacting to the GOP overturning Roe v Wade by stacking the court and here we are.
Griswold - Contraception
Lawrence - Same-sex relationships
Obergefell - Marriage equality
These past decisions are being opened up again.

Is this the future you want? The progress of the past 50 years is evaporating.

It does not end at abortion. Republicans will not stop until they have stripped away every freedom they can’t load with bullets.

[onawah]

Did Trump Nearly Pardon Julian Assange?
Russell Brand
6.03M subscribers
16K
223,061 views Oct 8, 2022

"Julian Assange is in a legal battle against extradition to the US where he could face a 175 year prison sentence. His wife and former Lawyer, Stella Assange chats to Russell about his situation and to highlight the human chain demonstration on Saturday, October 8th."

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[DNA]

Did Trump Nearly Pardon Julian Assange?
Russell Brand
6.03M subscribers
16K
223,061 views Oct 8, 2022

"Julian Assange is in a legal battle against extradition to the US where he could face a 175 year prison sentence. His wife and former Lawyer, Stella Assange chats to Russell about his situation and to highlight the human chain demonstration on Saturday, October 8th."

b9-aROGWuyA

A lot of people hold this against Trump.
But,,,
Assange isn't being held in the US.
Brittany is a stronger held globalist center than the USA in my opinion.
People assume trump could have arranged for Assange to be released but I'm off the opinion this was far from a slam dunk.

[onawah]

Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange
22 Dec, 2021
HomeUSA News
https://www.rt.com/usa/544005-donald-trump-assange-snowden-pardons/

(It seems it was a political decision on Trump's part. He probably would not have succeeded in getting Assange pardoned, but he might have helped had he chosen to.)

"Former President Donald Trump has said he was “very close to going the other way” on issuing a pardon for Julian Assange or Edward Snowden before he left the White House, ultimately deciding not to grant clemency to either.


During an interview with the Daily Wire’s Candace Owens this week, Trump was asked why he failed to issue pardons to WikiLeaks co-founder Assange and National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Snowden, which activists had been pushing for in the president’s final months in office.

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Why is the EU backing Navalny, but ignoring Assange?READ MORE: Why is the EU backing Navalny, but ignoring Assange?
“You have two sides of it,” Trump said. He described their separate situations as, respectively, a “sort of a spy deal going on” and “somebody that’s exposing real corruption,” but without indicating which description applied to which person, concluding only that he felt “a little bit more strongly about one than the other.”

Media reports earlier this year indicated Trump had been convinced by aides that an Assange or a Snowden pardon would upset Senate Republicans, who were gearing up to vote in his impeachment trial at the time. He also appeared to negatively reference Assange and “spying” at one point, though he did not elaborate.

“There [were] some spying things, and there [were] some bad things released that really set us back and really hurt us with what they did,” he said, according to the Daily Wire. It was alleged during the opening stages of Assange’s extradition hearing in London last year that the journalist had been offered a pardon in exchange for spinning the origin of hacked Democratic emails sent during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The White House denied the claim and said the president “barely” knew the Republican congressman through which the deal had allegedly been offered. The congressman, in turn, said he had made the proposal on his own initiative and the White House had not endorsed it.

Trump said he had ultimately decided to let the issue be handled in the courtroom. “I guess the courts are actually doing that,” he said.

Assange is currently being held in a UK prison, from where it was recently ruled he can be extradited to the US to stand trial on espionage charges for having published documents related to alleged US war crimes during the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns. He faces up to 175 years in prison if convicted. His mental and physical health has deteriorated during his 20 months of incarceration, and he recently suffered a stroke.

Snowden, who has remained a fugitive from the US since whistleblowing on the NSA for unconstitutional spying on the American public in 2013, seemed a more likely candidate for a presidential pardon. The former president said last year he was “looking” at Snowden’s case, noting that many felt he had “not been treated fairly.” This about-face surprised many commentators, given that Trump had previously referred to the former NSA contractor as a “spy who should be executed.”

[TargeT]

Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange

I love how no one cares to look into the depth of this situation....

Why are these two whistleblowers both ENTIRELY against a single agency? (snowden= anti nsa, Assange= anti cia) why isn't it obvious that these were intel agencies fighting each other? (especially given the timing) WTF... how dumb have we gotten that we cannot recognize simple patterns?


lazy thinking is addictive, do not fall for it.

[Johnnycomelately]

Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange

I love how no one cares to look into the depth of this situation....

Why are these two whistleblowers both ENTIRELY against a single agency? (snowden= anti nsa, Assange= anti cia) why isn't it obvious that these were intel agencies fighting each other? (especially given the timing) WTF... how dumb have we gotten that we cannot recognize simple patterns?


lazy thinking is addictive, do not fall for it.

Maybe because those were their lines of work, their specialties? You don’t hear many whistleblowers testifying outside of their professional niche.

I have not (and don’t intend to) digested the “timing”, and I don’t get what is “obvious” to you. I have no doubt that the top agencies fight amongst themselves, but do you think that these guys were either willing sacrifices on behalf of opposite powers or that they were dupes/pawns?

The OP’s (People say) quote has no here button, so please what #post was that?

[TargeT]

Maybe because those were their lines of work, their specialties? You don’t hear many whistleblowers testifying outside of their professional niche.

I really feel like your super proving my point right now, since Snowden worked for the CIA first, then for the NSA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20Snowden%20was%20hired,internal%20channels%20but%20was%20ignore d.)........ and assange's releases (https://wikileaks.org/What-is-WikiLeaks.html) (anti CIA) were VASTLY before.... Also, there is a rumor that I might spend a lot of time in buildings owned by one of those collection of letters.



I have not (and don’t intend to) digested the “timing”, and I don’t get what is “obvious” to you. I have no doubt that the top agencies fight amongst themselves, but do you think that these guys were either willing sacrifices on behalf of opposite powers or that they were dupes/pawns?

I mean, it's only obvious because I'm so frequently involved in it....

and do I think people can be "flipped" can be leveraged into doing things that seem insane? well yeah, I've been apart of situations like that for over 20 years.

humint doesn't make sense, but if you know anything about phycological profiling it starts to be stupid obvious (now imagine that paired with a tracking device that you willing carry and sleep next to... our job was so easy).

[Johnnycomelately]

Ha! If I had anything to hide, I might be starting to feel a little studied here. Is the NSA tight with the NRO, and is the CIA tight with CSIS? Asking for a friend. ~8O





Maybe because those were their lines of work, their specialties? You don’t hear many whistleblowers testifying outside of their professional niche.

I really feel like your super proving my point right now, since Snowden worked for the CIA first, then for the NSA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20Snowden%20was%20hired,internal%20channels%20but%20was%20ignore d.)........ and assange's releases (https://wikileaks.org/What-is-WikiLeaks.html) (anti CIA) were VASTLY before.... Also, there is a rumor that I might spend a lot of time in buildings owned by one of those collection of letters.



I have not (and don’t intend to) digested the “timing”, and I don’t get what is “obvious” to you. I have no doubt that the top agencies fight amongst themselves, but do you think that these guys were either willing sacrifices on behalf of opposite powers or that they were dupes/pawns?

I mean, it's only obvious because I'm so frequently involved in it....

and do I think people can be "flipped" can be leveraged into doing things that seem insane? well yeah, I've been apart of situations like that for over 20 years.

humint doesn't make sense, but if you know anything about phycological profiling it starts to be stupid obvious (now imagine that paired with a tracking device that you willing carry and sleep next to... our job was so easy).

[TargeT]

Ha! If I had anything to hide, I might be starting to feel a little studied here. Is the NSA tight with the NRO, and is the CIA tight with CSIS? Asking for a friend. ~8O



well, I've brushed fire close enough already tonight, so I'll just say "huh"?

But I'll offer one thing (which I have done many times here)... when assets are limited, targets are; quantified... (aka, some **** is just not worth it; aka.... us )

[onawah]

Dr. Joseph Farrell has been researching the corruption in the FBI & CIA for some time here: https://gizadeathstar.com/
...and on Dark Journalist's shows: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network&highlight=dark+journalist
Also see the thread starting here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116839-No-one-is-closer-to-the-truth-than-these-two.-Daniel-Liszt--Dark-Journalist--welcomes-Dr-Joseph-Farrell-for-another-captivating-discussion-&p=1463172&viewfull=1#post1463172

No lazy thinking there...



Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange

I love how no one cares to look into the depth of this situation....

Why are these two whistleblowers both ENTIRELY against a single agency? (snowden= anti nsa, Assange= anti cia) why isn't it obvious that these were intel agencies fighting each other? (especially given the timing) WTF... how dumb have we gotten that we cannot recognize simple patterns?


lazy thinking is addictive, do not fall for it.

[TargeT]

Dr. Joseph Farrell has been researching the corruption in the FBI & CIA for some time here: https://gizadeathstar.com/
...and on Dark Journalist's shows: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network&highlight=dark+journalist
Also see the thread starting here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?116839-No-one-is-closer-to-the-truth-than-these-two.-Daniel-Liszt--Dark-Journalist--welcomes-Dr-Joseph-Farrell-for-another-captivating-discussion-&p=1463172&viewfull=1#post1463172

No lazy thinking there...


it is not ubiquitous, I agree. I do not know how I can add more than I have. we live in the eddies of (often) self proclaimed powers.

[7alon]

Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange

I love how no one cares to look into the depth of this situation....

Why are these two whistleblowers both ENTIRELY against a single agency? (snowden= anti nsa, Assange= anti cia) why isn't it obvious that these were intel agencies fighting each other? (especially given the timing) WTF... how dumb have we gotten that we cannot recognize simple patterns?


lazy thinking is addictive, do not fall for it.

If you follow the Q movement, its clearly laid out. Snowden is CIA and was trying to infiltrate and sabotage the NSA. :sun:

[TargeT]

Trump reveals why he didn’t pardon Snowden or Assange

I love how no one cares to look into the depth of this situation....

Why are these two whistleblowers both ENTIRELY against a single agency? (snowden= anti nsa, Assange= anti cia) why isn't it obvious that these were intel agencies fighting each other? (especially given the timing) WTF... how dumb have we gotten that we cannot recognize simple patterns?


lazy thinking is addictive, do not fall for it.

If you follow the Q movement, its clearly laid out. Snowden is CIA and was trying to infiltrate and sabotage the NSA. :sun:

Snowden = anti NSA

assange = anti CIA....

IMO the timing make's it an obvious intelligence war

[7alon]

I agree Target. When one digs enough, the theory is backed up well. What Q Group clarified, is that the CIA is the Cabal's machine, the NSA not so much. Q group is a branch with the highest level clearance from what I could find (its a real group). The US Military has been revamped and seems to be working with the NSA vs the CIA and the Cabal. Allies surprisingly are emerging worldwide. Anons one time asked Trump to repeat the phrase tip top or tippy top to prove he was listening. He did just that, I saw it. What else is interesting, is he said that again standing next to Scott Morrison, while complimenting him during the US-Australian alliance dinner. Scott Morrison's wife was also given an infinity bracelet, which was strange I thought.

[Kryztian]

Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

rzGuKRMoj2M

[abmqa]

Perhaps you think it normal for a man to say such things. I'm a man and have never heard any other man say such a thing. I'm retired Air Force, and I can attest that I have heard many misogynist things said about women, but never, "I just grab them by the privates parts.

Well, I am also a man; I played football, wrestled and joined the military strait out of highschool; to this day I know people that talk in that "mannor", I just don't hang out with those people.

Phones are passed around with pictures of females and the question is posed "smash or pass" and these are (as far as I can tell) loving fathers and dedicated husbands.


I think that is a completely seperate topic however, and a complex one (how sex and sexuality is treated in western society, or even how different it is from region to region, California vs South Carolina for example).




See partial transcript below:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Just because Trump says such things doesn't mean consent is given to such treatment, especially a woman who doesn't have a relationship with him.

And if you simply work with the facts available, that does not sound like sexual assault to me.

But I don't pick up and run with every rumor I hear, or at least try my best not to.





"This one point is a great example of why you don't understand how he got elected, and I don't understand how you don't understand ;) "


Seems to me that you are the confused one, or such a Trumpist that you can overlook such criminal behavior in order to justify your ongoing support.

Do a little research...it's all there for us to see.


I agree that's a disturbing list; but not at all what I was referring to. Your taking a historical contextual look with a lot of unsubstantiated testimony (and as of yet, not a single conviction?) which you are taking for granted as "true"; I will not do that.

If you come to my island you can find rumors that I "rescue horses, starve them so I can get good "before" and "after" photos, and then fatten them back up to say I rescued them.

I've been accused more times than I can count that I steal horses.

Being a SUPER MINOR public figure has garnished me AND my family a small list like the above (no sexual harassment stuff, but a **** LOAD of people attempting character assassination due to what ever motivation). And that's not a position most people will ever be in during their life spans.

Do you know what it's like to constantly run into people that know you, know your life, know your wife, your kids, your pets.. and you have no clue who they are? What happens when that obsession slips to the dark side?

I can't imagine what true "celebrityhood" is like after my small taste of it... it's got to be pretty ****ty.

Sexual harassment is a problem and it does happen a lot, so are false rape claims and false sexual harassment claims; I've seen a good amount of both, enough that I need some sort of evidence.

Target,

Quick question for you? Now that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the Jean Carroll case, or do you still need more evidence 🤔

[DNA]

Perhaps you think it normal for a man to say such things. I'm a man and have never heard any other man say such a thing. I'm retired Air Force, and I can attest that I have heard many misogynist things said about women, but never, "I just grab them by the privates parts.

Well, I am also a man; I played football, wrestled and joined the military strait out of highschool; to this day I know people that talk in that "mannor", I just don't hang out with those people.

Phones are passed around with pictures of females and the question is posed "smash or pass" and these are (as far as I can tell) loving fathers and dedicated husbands.


I think that is a completely seperate topic however, and a complex one (how sex and sexuality is treated in western society, or even how different it is from region to region, California vs South Carolina for example).




See partial transcript below:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Just because Trump says such things doesn't mean consent is given to such treatment, especially a woman who doesn't have a relationship with him.

And if you simply work with the facts available, that does not sound like sexual assault to me.

But I don't pick up and run with every rumor I hear, or at least try my best not to.





"This one point is a great example of why you don't understand how he got elected, and I don't understand how you don't understand ;) "


Seems to me that you are the confused one, or such a Trumpist that you can overlook such criminal behavior in order to justify your ongoing support.

Do a little research...it's all there for us to see.


I agree that's a disturbing list; but not at all what I was referring to. Your taking a historical contextual look with a lot of unsubstantiated testimony (and as of yet, not a single conviction?) which you are taking for granted as "true"; I will not do that.

If you come to my island you can find rumors that I "rescue horses, starve them so I can get good "before" and "after" photos, and then fatten them back up to say I rescued them.

I've been accused more times than I can count that I steal horses.

Being a SUPER MINOR public figure has garnished me AND my family a small list like the above (no sexual harassment stuff, but a **** LOAD of people attempting character assassination due to what ever motivation). And that's not a position most people will ever be in during their life spans.

Do you know what it's like to constantly run into people that know you, know your life, know your wife, your kids, your pets.. and you have no clue who they are? What happens when that obsession slips to the dark side?

I can't imagine what true "celebrityhood" is like after my small taste of it... it's got to be pretty ****ty.

Sexual harassment is a problem and it does happen a lot, so are false rape claims and false sexual harassment claims; I've seen a good amount of both, enough that I need some sort of evidence.

Target,

Quick question for you? Now that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the Jean Carroll case, or do you still need more evidence 🤔

Such naivity.
With Epstien and his travel log,
Mkultra whistle blowers telling us about child trafficking and the elite, wikileaks confirming pedophile satanic elite practice, Anthony Weiners laptop with the actual pictures of Hillary performing said actions, hunter Bidens lap top and now Joe Biden himself so addicted to his weirdo pedo behavior that he can't stop inappropriately grabbing at and sniffing children.
If he'll do that in front of cameras????

Reality is indeed ugly.
But you go ahead and trouble yourself over some locker room hypothetical banter from 30 years ago.

[DNA]

Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.

]

I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.

If the abortion issue was practiced with consideration for the infant and done very timely, like 6 weeks I could understand the option.
But there is a false sympathy with hidden agendas.

Big pharma isn't hyping up the media for later term abortion out of some women's empowerment goal, the objective is to keep raising the age for potential fetus termination right up until birth for the right to harvest organs, blood and marrow.

James O'Keefe showed this to be true in an exposay showing planned parenthood personnel admitting they make tens if not hundreds of thousands off the body parts of late term abortions.

Why isn't the media playing this ad-nausium instead of some lame discrepancy in political rhetoric...

[abmqa]

Perhaps you think it normal for a man to say such things. I'm a man and have never heard any other man say such a thing. I'm retired Air Force, and I can attest that I have heard many misogynist things said about women, but never, "I just grab them by the privates parts.

Well, I am also a man; I played football, wrestled and joined the military strait out of highschool; to this day I know people that talk in that "mannor", I just don't hang out with those people.

Phones are passed around with pictures of females and the question is posed "smash or pass" and these are (as far as I can tell) loving fathers and dedicated husbands.


I think that is a completely seperate topic however, and a complex one (how sex and sexuality is treated in western society, or even how different it is from region to region, California vs South Carolina for example).




See partial transcript below:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Just because Trump says such things doesn't mean consent is given to such treatment, especially a woman who doesn't have a relationship with him.

And if you simply work with the facts available, that does not sound like sexual assault to me.

But I don't pick up and run with every rumor I hear, or at least try my best not to.





"This one point is a great example of why you don't understand how he got elected, and I don't understand how you don't understand ;) "


Seems to me that you are the confused one, or such a Trumpist that you can overlook such criminal behavior in order to justify your ongoing support.

Do a little research...it's all there for us to see.


I agree that's a disturbing list; but not at all what I was referring to. Your taking a historical contextual look with a lot of unsubstantiated testimony (and as of yet, not a single conviction?) which you are taking for granted as "true"; I will not do that.

If you come to my island you can find rumors that I "rescue horses, starve them so I can get good "before" and "after" photos, and then fatten them back up to say I rescued them.

I've been accused more times than I can count that I steal horses.

Being a SUPER MINOR public figure has garnished me AND my family a small list like the above (no sexual harassment stuff, but a **** LOAD of people attempting character assassination due to what ever motivation). And that's not a position most people will ever be in during their life spans.

Do you know what it's like to constantly run into people that know you, know your life, know your wife, your kids, your pets.. and you have no clue who they are? What happens when that obsession slips to the dark side?

I can't imagine what true "celebrityhood" is like after my small taste of it... it's got to be pretty ****ty.

Sexual harassment is a problem and it does happen a lot, so are false rape claims and false sexual harassment claims; I've seen a good amount of both, enough that I need some sort of evidence.

Target,

Quick question for you? Now that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the Jean Carroll case, or do you still need more evidence 🤔

Such naivity.
With Epstien and his travel log,
Mkultra whistle blowers telling us about child trafficking and the elite, wikileaks confirming pedophile satanic elite practice, Anthony Weiners laptop with the actual pictures of Hillary performing said actions, hunter Bidens lap top and now Joe Biden himself so addicted to his weirdo pedo behavior that he can't stop inappropriately grabbing at and sniffing children.
If he'll do that in front of cameras????

Reality is indeed ugly.
But you go ahead and trouble yourself over some locker room hypothetical banter from 30 years ago.

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

[DNA]

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

[abmqa]

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.

[DNA]

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.



I apologize for saying you're naive.
I apologize for saying you're a liberal.

Target hasn't posted in about a year.
So I didn't think you were getting an answer there at least not any time soon.

I suppose I did in fact assume you were a liberal but it wasn't like you didn't provide a little supposition to expand on.

You were going back to the 2016 election talking point of orange man bad, he say sexist things in locker room.

In a time when most folks here know Hillary Clinton was running a child trafficking ring out of Haiti with her Clinton Foundation and the Wikileaks dumps from her server that Seth Rich died obtaining, confirmed most of our suspicions about her and the Podestas being pedophiles.

I understand you addressed your message to Target, but this is a public forum and any and all are free to respond to posts as they will.
Although I will continue with, it is a little unfair to judge a man for being a little misogynist when his competitor is participating in the most evil of evil deeds.
In so far as the Hillary vs Trump thing.

So please forgive me.
I'm sorry.
For stating what I stated.
But by all means let us dispense with communication do's and don't's.
I'm certainly not going to try to tell you how to communicate and I'll try to dispense with what amounts to name calling.

Sound good?

Take care
Marcus

[abmqa]

DNA,

This question was addressed and aimed specifically at Target. To address a specific statement. Forgive, me if I don't participate with you in what aboutism, it's not that I don't care about the wide spread issues of pedophilia, it's just that I don't care to address it with you. As evident from your unsolicited reply it would be fruitless.

I love it.
Liberals are always trying to make up rules to enforce when a narrative is slipping out of their control or framework.
You are certainly in keeping with the playbook.

I'm sorry. Do you know me? I'm a Liberal? Your reply gives substantial evidence of why I don't want to engage with you and your two dimensional thinking. Unlike you and your ilk, I'm a well rounded person who is conservative about some issues and liberal on others.

Your assumptions about my naivity puts you at a distinct disadvantage, and makes me think less of you.

Your limited thinking doesn't allow for logical and and reasonable debate, which is why I rather not deal with you.

Pre-judging people is an extremely bad habit and is the cause of many misunderstandings. I prefer to avoid people like you, hopefully you're not too dense to understand that.

Have a good evening.



I apologize for saying you're naive.
I apologize for saying you're a liberal.

Target hasn't posted in about a year.
So I didn't think you were getting an answer there at least not any time soon.

I suppose I did in fact assume you were a liberal but it wasn't like you didn't provide a little supposition to expand on.

You were going back to the 2016 election talking point of orange man bad, he say sexist things in locker room.

In a time when most folks here know Hillary Clinton was running a child trafficking ring out of Haiti with her Clinton Foundation and the Wikileaks dumps from her server that Seth Rich died obtaining, confirmed most of our suspicions about her and the Podestas being pedophiles.

I understand you addressed your message to Target, but this is a public forum and any and all are free to respond to posts as they will.
Although I will continue with, it is a little unfair to judge a man for being a little misogynist when his competitor is participating in the most evil of evil deeds.
In so far as the Hillary vs Trump thing.

So please forgive me.
I'm sorry.
For stating what I stated.
But by all means let us dispense with communication do's and don't's.
I'm certainly not going to try to tell you how to communicate and I'll try to dispense with what amounts to name calling.

Sound good?

Take care
Marcus

Apology accepted. I apologize for the tone of my reply. Just to be clear, I was curious about Target's opinion, since there was an important update on the situation. Even though I don't agree with his opinion, he was able to articulate it in a sincere and respectful manner that enabled me to understand his position.

As for the Hillary vs Trump thing. I am very conservative when it comes to crime. If someone commits a crime, be it Hillary, Joe, or Hunter, they should be investigated, indicted, if the evidence supports it, and given a fair trial based on the facts.

Of course I realize that there's a huge discrepancy in our justice system. It allows for the rich and powerful elite to escape appropriate punishment. So yeah, there's that.

[Kryztian]

Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.



I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.



Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

[DNA]

Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.



I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.



Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

I've read your thread on DeSantis.
It's very good.
It was an eye opener for me.
Took the wind out of my sails.
I was really hoping DeSantis would be another good option.
He is not.
Thank you for that.

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I know I get a little touchy on this subject.
It's just I hear the critics of Trump since the beginning and I pull my hair out with the unfair standards he has to be subjected to.

[abmqa]

Trump caught in his own web of contradictions. The man who "tells it like it is" gets entangled in his own double speak. Is he pro-choice or pro-life? This subject may be his Achillies heel in his upcoming election campaign.



I haven't listened because personally I just don't care.
The Christian base are great people and their hearts are in the right place.



Marcus, as with my DeSantis post a few days ago which you commented on, I am not trying to promote or demote any issue, just to comment on how the candidates are defining themselves to attract different constituencies by making clear (or making obscure in the case of Trump) their stance on "the issues". In the case of Trump, he has much enthusiastic support from the traditional socially conservative base, which is anti-abortion ("pro-life"), but also has a big following that is not. It is quite difficult to pin down exactly where Trump sits on this issue, but I am guessing, he is libertarian and, like me, feels that the government should do nothing to either promote abortion (like fund Planned Parenthood) or pass laws restricting it, but as with any politician, who knows what there deepest beliefs are. I guess because of his Supreme Court appointments, who tipped the scales to overturn Roe v. Wade, he's built a lot of street cred with the pro lifers.

Although I mentioned that Trump is "caught in his web of contradictions", I have to say I admire his ability to play both sides of the aisle and not get pinned down on some of the issues.

So, these comments are about the horse race of politics, not about who is right or wrong on the issues, but who plays the field best (using these issues) and will get the votes at both the primary level and then in the general election. But I will say one thing about my own personal political choices: if Trump or DeSantis was running in the general election, I would be about a hundred million times more likely to vote for Trump than DeSantis.

I've read your thread on DeSantis.
It's very good.
It was an eye opener for me.
Took the wind out of my sails.
I was really hoping DeSantis would be another good option.
He is not.
Thank you for that.

If we're talking strategic politics, the RNC would benefit more from running DeSantis. Trump's popularity with his base, despite his numerous legal issues, may cause them to run him. If they were to think strategically, they would run DeSantis instead because if DeSantis wins, they may get 8 years of a GOP presidency, instead of being limited to Trump's one term eligibility.

It's something that the GOP has probably already considered. Interesting to see how it plays out.

I can see Trump running, as an independent, if the RNC doesn't support him. It appears atm that he's popular enough to run without them. Of, course this is a moot point, if his legal issues prevent him from running.

[DNA]

If we're talking strategic politics, the RNC would benefit more from running DeSantis. Trump's popularity with his base, despite his numerous legal issues, may cause them to run him. If they were to think strategically, they would run DeSantis instead because if DeSantis wins, they may get 8 years of a GOP presidency, instead of being limited to Trump's one term eligibility.

It's something that the GOP has probably already considered. Interesting to see how it plays out.

I can see Trump running, as an independent, if the RNC doesn't support him. It appears atm that he's popular enough to run without them. Of, course this is a moot point, if his legal issues prevent him from running.

I would give Kryztian's thread a look.
It changed my mind on DeSantis.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120005-Ron-DeSantis-Torturer-War-Criminal-Abuser-of-the-U.S.-Constitution&p=1529728&viewfull=1#post1529728

[abmqa]

Ok will do.

[mountain_jim]

replying here, where your views and this discussion really belongs


Democrats mock Trump for superfluous crap like personality and looks (orange man, hair, etc.) It's really stupid as a campaign tactic, and just shows how shallow they are. Mocking Biden for his obvious state of extreme mental decline/dementia is also stupid as a campaign tactic.

I grew up with the Three Stooges and other slapstick lowbrow comedy, and maybe embarrassingly to myself, I laugh at stuff like the Presidential Olympics "skit" shown above, reminiscent of Mystery Science Theater 3000 voiceovers. There's plenty of substance - terrible policy - of the Biden cabal to mock and deride, but unfortunately, Biden took the baton from Trump on Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Iran and to a large extent China, Covid jabs, Assange, support for globalist corporations, support for the security state, support for an overwhelming military-industrial complex budget, hiding Epstein's enmeshment with high-ranking politician and financial elite pedophiles, Big Banking, Big Agriculture... and is running with it, just like Trump did from Obama. So, Trump has a very limited cluster of domestic policy differences (open border, and trans-men in women's sports) to really highlight as differences between he and Biden, and so he and his supporters retaliate by going after the low-hanging fruit of Biden's mental and physical state.

Project Avalon, it seems to me, it literally one of the very last places on the Internet where topics can be openly discussed, and with all presidential contenders and high office holders and appointees supporting the intelligence-security state, Avalon's future looks bleak to me. In the time that we do have left to speak freely to members and the real visitors (that are not just a DoS attack), I think we would be wise to up our game, exponentially, and call out the horsesh!t that passes for political discussion in virtually every other venue on the Internet. This thread is the only active thread about Trump on Avalon, and thus represents what Avalon wants to pump into the zeitgeist about Trump. Trump as a troll is one thing, but the pretense that Trump is somehow good presidential material and holy and a good man and supports the common man and knows how to unplug the Deep State, is really more the tone of this thread. If it wasn't for that sycophantic tone, I probably wouldn't have bothered to address the Trump topic in this thread.

I do think the 2020 election was stolen, the indictments are bullsh!t, and it is true that the Democrat cabal and the corporate media the DNC cabal vastly dominates, that I call the "mainscream media", have and will continue to harass, harangue, and hamstring Trump (and will continue to do so when Trump is in office again, as I suspect he will be.) Trump says crap like Ukraine and Israel would not have happened if he was president, even though he was directly involved in exacerbating both. He is sort of trolling himself, or at least providing ammunition for the Democrat cabal to pillory him as a bloviating gasbag.

Is the USA really a big pirate ship, and is America "greater" with a thousand military bases and black prisons and torture centers around the globe, performing terrorism, placing sanctions (1st phase war) on all nations that do not obey, trying to somehow militarily compensate for the international piracy that was the petrodollar, undermining elections globally, and supporting the takeover of control by the Global Corporate Network and WEF while obliterating citizen's rights and human rights and sacrificing the environment? If yes, then, what the hell, continue the Trump Adoration Syndrome, and from 2024 to 2028, yell at the Democrat cabal for Trump's actions and ineffectiveness in office, and say that Trump could do no better or he would have been assassinated.



I think we would be wise to up our game, exponentially, and call out the horsesh!t that passes for political discussion in virtually every other venue on the Internet.


I would say your post includes some (questionable views?) as well - like accusing Trump of



Trump says crap like Ukraine and Israel would not have happened if he was president, even though he was directly involved in exacerbating both.


Trump got impeached trying to question what happened in 2014 in Ukraine, and Biden's corruption there, by those with their fingers in the corruption pie, and with Biolabs to cover up.

The planet was much more stable war-wise during his term than now.

on Israel your point is stronger, but bottom line neither Russia, China, nor Hamas were going to war while he was in 'power'. And he may have settled North Korea down a good bit as well.



This thread is the only active thread about Trump on Avalon, and thus represents what Avalon wants to pump into the zeitgeist about Trump.


That's because Trump successfully trolls daily, and your views are consistent and so need more agreement/argument in posts from others to pick up the pace, and get THIS thread on the Avalon active list.



the pretense that Trump is somehow good presidential material and holy and a good man and supports the common man and knows how to unplug the Deep State, is really more the tone of this thread. If it wasn't for that sycophantic tone, I probably wouldn't have bothered to address the Trump topic in this thread.


"That's just like, your opinion, man" (The Dude)

Good presidential material? Propose someone who is, given the state of the US and the globalists today?

I have had hopes for RFK Jr and Tulsi, but they have warts as well.

I have trouble imagining who else would have stood up to this persecution as well as Trump, and keep on ticking and exposing the systemic rot in the US. Others have pointed out his nationalistic focus, and I say that was and is much better for the common man than the broken economy and active wars today.



Is the USA really a big pirate ship, and is America "greater" with a thousand military bases and black prisons and torture centers around the globe, performing terrorism, placing sanctions (1st phase war) on all nations that do not obey, trying to somehow militarily compensate for the international piracy that was the petrodollar, undermining elections globally, and supporting the takeover of control by the Global Corporate Network and WEF while obliterating citizen's rights and human rights and sacrificing the environment? If yes, then, what the hell, continue the Trump Adoration Syndrome


JFK was trying to reign in the corrupt, powerful, CIA, and the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex owns the government via bribes and blackmail pretty much.

It just seems to me you are triggered by us enjoying the small victories of corruption exposure that Trump has caused, while we retain some hope that all this leads to an Awakening in folks sufficient to result in a better world, while realizing that things may be getting so bad that no president or leader can change much at this point.

(and I realize there are contributors here at Avalon that are much more positive about a future with Trump than I am - but that thread is where that belongs it seems to me.)

In which case it will be up to each of us internally to raise our consciousness, purify ourselves, continue to try and bring Truth to others ( as you did well here concerning the long-term darkness that is US power in the world, just in the wrong thread in my view.)



from 2024 to 2028, yell at the Democrat cabal for Trump's actions and ineffectiveness in office, and say that Trump could do no better or he would have been assassinated


I suspect things have gone too far for that - whatever happens after 2024 will look nothing like past or recent politics as usual, in my view. I say all prepare accordingly.

Things are reaching a critical level of novelty and planetary danger for Humanity and Trump appears to continue to be a catalyst in THE US portion of this, though NOT THE ANSWER by any means.

If you have any ANSWERs as to how we help fix all this from our Avalon posts or our heart emanations, I welcome hearing them - just calling out the evil US Empire and Trump's poor performance last time around (relative to our ideals) does not seem to me to be much help.

[onawah]

Both sides...

I can see both sides of the argument here-- it's not cool to derail a thread, but sometimes it takes some constructive criticism just to keep things real on the forum.
It's good to keep a sense of humor in these trying times, but there is something of a lack when it comes to a down-to-earth discussion about Trump and the coming election (though we seem to be keeping up with the breaking news, at least).
Perhaps it's just too incomprehensible to get a good grip on.
The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".
( I would include in that category the Kim Goguen thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=kim+goguen
... and note that it's also actually somewhat criminal to post those "news" updates here; see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ght=kim+goguen)...
... and consider it might be better to focus more on what is essential.
Our ability to focus is something that is actually being attacked by TPTB, from fluoride to nanobots and snake venom in Clot Shots to 5G to planned false flag events featuring UFO holograms to terrify the populace.
To maintain focus at all will be an ongoing challenge.
For more about why that is and why we all here need to act more like grownups, see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1582136
...which features this video:

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v3evsf4/?pub=ijro7

[norman]

The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".

It was Q who said "we're saving Israel for last"

The US political machinery is not equipped to solve a problem that originates globally. The global movement that "Q" represents in the US is getting a job done. That job IS WW3, we're in it and have been for several years. It's war to end a 6,000 year old death cult grip on humanity.

It's not a run-of-the-mill Khazarian engineered war. To borrow a line from Al Gore "An Inconvenient Truth", we have to 'deserve' to win this war, and if we are still running on satanic/ba'alist fuel, we don't, and may even be part of the ranks of the enemy's well distributed vipers in the grass, without awareness to realise we are.

[onawah]

I think the point is that the amount of chaos the Q thread created on the forum was over the top and out of bounds, and went on for much too long.
There were many untruths that were spread from those who were claiming to be Q, but that was just one unsettling factor.
I doubt very much that many were unaware that Israel would be "saved for last", since anyone who reads and understands the Bible even at a rudimentary level would have surmised that much-- that the Satanic cabal would be creating a culmination of evil, evil which they have been inflicting on the planet for centuries.
Personally, I can't help but find it absurd that anyone other than the prophets themselves would claim to be the source of that prescient knowledge.




The Q thread set the very ungrounded stage for that lack, as there was such an excess of it, and it was so much more of a distraction than what actually needed focus.
The situation surrounding the 2024 election has become critical, and if Avalon is to be considered a forum that actually matters and might have some influence, it would probably be a good idea to jettison some of the :entertainment".

It was Q who said "we're saving Israel for last"

The US political machinery is not equipped to solve a problem that originates globally. The global movement that "Q" represents in the US is getting a job done. That job IS WW3, we're in it and have been for several years. It's war to end a 6,000 year old death cult grip on humanity.

It's not a run-of-the-mill Khazarian engineered war. To borrow a line from Al Gore "An Inconvenient Truth", we have to 'deserve' to win this war, and if we are still running on satanic/ba'alist fuel, we don't, and may even be part of the ranks of the enemy's well distributed vipers in the grass, without awareness to realise we are.

[gini]

Q -not the anons or so called Qanons-was mainly giving just hints and was a strong push for deep research and challenging the status quo and creating a lot of upheavel -including here on PA !-

But the bottomline is that these were all just curious drops of info ,the effect was that many of the reactions on this info in the main & alternative media exposed who is who & who is where in the 'awakening' process of decades (if not centuries!) of deception.

I assumed that here on PA there were no hard feelings anymore about the 'Q' movement and that it is generally appreciated that PA basically chronicled this historic 'Q' event wich had & still has a lasting impact on global politics.:sun:

[onawah]

the biggest secret the government doesn't want you to know-douglas vogt

the biggest secret the government doesn't want you to know-douglas vogt
i had forgotten about this, but it's even better listening in retrospect, as there is information in this video starting around 40 minutes in ( though i recommend listening to the entire interview) that gives evidence about trump's insider knowledge and what he tried to do about the government keeping secrets pertaining to the 12,000 year solar micronova cycles and the resulting cataclysms.
It's understandable why trump met with so much resistance.
Let's hope he does better next time if/when (and i think he will) he gets the chance. :nod:

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Q -not the anons or so called Qanons-was mainly giving just hints and was a strong push for deep research and challenging the status quo and creating a lot of upheavel -including here on PA !-

But the bottomline is that these were all just curious drops of info ,the effect was that many of the reactions on this info in the main & alternative media exposed who is who & who is where in the 'awakening' process of decades (if not centuries!) of deception.

I assumed that here on PA there were no hard feelings anymore about the 'Q' movement and that it is generally appreciated that PA basically chronicled this historic 'Q' event wich had & still has a lasting impact on global politics.:sun:

I don't know about anyone else, but I nearly unsubscribed during the Q blitz, deciding instead to go on sabbatical. I prefer my information to be precise and verifiable to save time and effort. That was hardly a characteristic of the Q thread.

A change that I would like to see is more people contacting Trump's team and informing them that many are quite aware of these secret agendas, with full details of just what they are and how they need to be dealt with.
Trump has a big ego which doesn't need inflating.
What he is lacking is the kind of support that demands the best of him, not theatrics.

[Dennis Leahy]

There is an NBC News, Meet The Press, titled, "Full Trump Interview :I don't consider us to have much of a", which is an hour and 18 minutes long. There's your guy, handling this pushy partisan interviewer very well (even though his answers to her "have you stopped beating your wife"-style of interview are somewhat vacuous and jingoistic, and deflecting blame to Biden rather than expounding what he would do differently.) If you want examples of Trump's great trolling, here's more than an hour of footage.

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

[Raskolnikov]

There is an NBC News, Meet The Press, titled, "Full Trump Interview :I don't consider us to have much of a", which is an hour and 18 minutes long. There's your guy, handling this pushy partisan interviewer very well (even though his answers to her "have you stopped beating your wife"-style of interview are somewhat vacuous and jingoistic, and deflecting blame to Biden rather than expounding what he would do differently.) If you want examples of Trump's great trolling, here's more than an hour of footage.

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

Quick note: It's not Joe Biden anymore. He's literally a puppet for those trying to overthrow America and exterminate humanity. The original Biden was a pedophile monster and outrageous liar. I understand attempting a more refined approach and trying to maintain the moral highground through decorum but at this point in the game the gloves are off - troll the hell out of these parasites. Because, honestly, what the hell is this?

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[T Smith]

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

This seems more a social commentary on politics in general than whether it will backfire--although it could backfire, but why would it? Trump has found a style that works extremely well for him in a very hostile arena (in this case past performance is indicative of future gains). He has found a way of enduring the onslaught that would have destroyed anyone else challenging the Uniparty in a more direct way (think Ron Paul/Tulsi Gabbard/ RFK Jr., etc). And he's exploiting it. Unfortunately the latter style just doesn't capture the attention of the public. And it's very easy to defeat with weaponized propaganda. Trump is attacking the "bad guys" by any and all means, including the weaponized propaganda juggernaut. To all who support him, this makes him a sort of David to the establishment's Goliath. Isn't that just politics?

I understand that the style is distasteful to some. Especially to a demographic that doesn't see Trump's trolling victims as the "bad guys". Couple that with the most concerted agitprop campaign waged against one person (and the divide in general) I've ever seen in my lifetime--a program of outright mind control--and you have this thing called Trump Derangement Syndrome afflicting a full 40% of the population.

I'm not convinced being a martyr equates to a Donald Trump victory in 2024. That assumes elections are real, that votes matter, and the entire psyop is not just theater. If the Uniparty got away with the Big Steal in 2020--a heist carried out in the broad daylight and right before our very eyes--and as they continue to get away with incessantly gaslighting the public that said heist never occurred, why would any votes matter at all? This whole 2024 election talk confuses me. There appears to be no remedy, legal or otherwise, to a stolen election--short of a Revolution--least of all another election.

[Dennis Leahy]

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

This seems more a social commentary on politics in general than whether it will backfire--although it could backfire, by why would it? Trump has found a style that works extremely well for him in a very hostile arena (in this case past performance is indicative of future gains). He has found a way of enduring the onslaught that would have destroyed anyone else challenging the Uniparty in a more direct way (think Ron Paul/Tulsi Gabbard/ RFK Jr., etc). And he's exploiting it. Unfortunately the latter style just doesn't capture the attention of the public. And it's very easy to defeat with weaponized propaganda. Trump is attacking the "bad guys" by any and all means, including the weaponized propaganda juggernaut. To all who support him, this makes him a sort of David to the establishment's Goliath. Isn't that just politics?

I understand that the style is distasteful to some. Especially to a demographic that doesn't see Trump's trolling victims as the "bad guys". Couple that with the most concerted agitprop campaign waged against one person (and the divide in general) I've ever seen in my lifetime--a program of outright mind control--and you have this thing called Trump Derangement Syndrome afflicting a full 40% of the population.

I'm not convinced being a martyr equates to a Donald Trump victory in 2024. That assumes elections are real, that votes matter, and the entire psyop is not just theater. If the Uniparty got away with the Big Steal in 2020--a heist carried out in the broad daylight and right before our very eyes--and as they continue to get away with incessantly gaslighting the public that said heist never occurred, why would any votes matter at all? This whole 2024 election talk confuses me. There appears to be no remedy, legal or otherwise, to a stolen election--short of a Revolution--least of all another election.


You make a lot of sense, T. I have believed for a long time that not only are presidents selected by the deep state, behind the curtain, not by voters, but that they are powerless to do anything in office that double-crosses the deep state. We can observe which actions are deep state agenda by noting which issues are seamlessly handed from one president to the next, regardless of which of the 2 political parties' guy gets into office. For example, the open border issue is not deep state agenda but rather DNC agenda, and Trump will indeed be able to reverse that. The Biden-fronted DNC cabal flowed seamlessly from Trump's (the Trump regime's) heinous actions against Venezuela and that is obviously deep state agenda. International/supra-national/global Central Banking and the debt-money system is deep state agenda. Military-intelligence industrial complex support and spending is deep state agenda. 9/11 was deep state agenda. The New World Order is deep state agenda. Russo-"phobia" is deep state agenda. Neutering Wikileaks and imprisoning Assange is deep state agenda.

The US federal executive branch, nor the US federal legislative branch, nor the US federal judicial branch, nor the "4th estate" deep state owned and controlled corporate media, is going to fix or stop or reverse any deep state agenda. There won't be any people's revolution in the USA, only the deep state game of ping pong between deep state controlled DNC and deep state controlled RNC, designed to present the illusion of change and the potential of change. Probably the only thing that could "stop" the deep state would be an inner coup, where the second tier of the deep state took out the top tier, gangland style, but that would really only be a changing of personnel, not the end of the reign of the deep state.

I was born in deep state controlled USA - that I now call the USA, Inc. - and I will die in the deep state controlled USA, Inc. I should back off and just observe Avalon members make asses of themselves believing that Trump or any other person is going to stop the deep state agenda, but it embarrasses and demeans Avalon, one of the few places left to even express anti-deep state sentiment. My solution is a revolt where US citizens take over the election system and disallow anyone to even run for office that is connected to the Global Corporate Network of the deep state, followed by a hot war against the international/global banking cabal, but I see no indication whatsoever that any such action is brewing, and the propaganda, the narrative control is far too powerful for a wake-up call to even reach the brainwashed masses. It's really depressing to open ones eyes and realize that we're not getting out of this, and it will only get worse.

[T Smith]

I have believed for a long time that not only are presidents selected by the deep state, behind the curtain, not by voters, but that they are powerless to do anything in office that double-crosses the deep state.

The way I understand it, candidates--and all politicians who ascend up the established power structure--are vetted by the deep state (and powerless to do anything once in office to double-cross their sponsors and masters), but only then are they allowed to run for office and ascend. And then the candidates from that field are selected by the voters. So the vote is more-or-less real (at least until 2020) as long as both candidates are deep state assets who will execute the deep state bidding.

In other words, the deep state doesn't care who wins.

But they do care if Trump wins, regardless of whether some of his policies align with their interests or not.

I know we will likely disagree on the previous point. In my view, however, this is exactly the selection model Trump broke given his "unique" and brash style of politics. But that's what makes him unlike any other political candidate, and why his style and methods work.

In sum, it should be abundantly clear to all Trump is not an approved deep-state candidate. Through their DNC and RNC agents, what we call the "Uniparty," they are waging a vicious war against Trump, the unapproved candidate, by any and all means necessary, including martyring him by employing Banana Republic-like tactics to silence him.

I honestly don't think there is any other way to view this thing....

[Dennis Leahy]

This post was specifically about Trump trolling. I disagree with it being moved here, into a thread that I already said I didn't want to resurrect because Trump obviously "is the answer" for some US (and Canadian!) citizens. But I get it, I should have joined the party and laughed at Biden falling down the stairs if I wanted to post in that hilarious thread, and pretended that Trump was a great US president and will be an even more muchly huge big great US president again. I predict that Julian Assange will die laughing.




There is an NBC News, Meet The Press, titled, "Full Trump Interview :I don't consider us to have much of a", which is an hour and 18 minutes long. There's your guy, handling this pushy partisan interviewer very well (even though his answers to her "have you stopped beating your wife"-style of interview are somewhat vacuous and jingoistic, and deflecting blame to Biden rather than expounding what he would do differently.) If you want examples of Trump's great trolling, here's more than an hour of footage.

Don't you see that Trump mocking Biden for dementia (mental handicap) and confusion (mental handicap) is just exactly as low as the Democrats coming after Trump's appearance, personality, and style? Don't you think this behavior could backfire on Trump? A good part of me being convinced that Trump will win is that the Democrats have made him a martyr. Political money in the bank. How can you think that Trump isn't negating some or all of his image as a persecuted martyr if he's using the tactic of mocking the dementia patient face of the Democrat cabal?

Trolling reporters works and makes Trump look clever; trolling the dementia patient doesn't.

[gini]

Thanks Bill for moving the political discussion to this thread,i agree ;satire & serious political discussion are not a good combination,and discussing humor is a whole different subject wich could have its own thread as well ,since humour & satire are a big target of the new censorship & cancelculture!

Yes ,i agree Trump IS not the answer; but he is many other things ,a symbol,a provocateur,a troll,a catalysator and -perhaps in a certain way-a political genius.
I had different phases from perceiving Trump as a cheesy tv star, then during the 2015 presidential campaigns (when i already didnt watched the telly for decades)i suddenly noticed everybody -who were getting their info from mainstream-were talking very bad about him ,so i got curious and watched how the hate campaign was rolling out all over the western world and i got a bit sucked into it ,because i never saw something enormous like that against 1 person !

The Trump movement was very challenging for me as coming from a working class ,left progressive ,anti kapitalist background and made me rethink many political convictions.
It brought me to Avalon much more then before ,and i decided to become a member.
So i see Trump also as a catalysator for the 'western' collective mindset,because what happened to me was not an exception;millions all over the world went through a similar process.

And there you have the value of a phenomenon wich rises above politics & polarisation. The call for CRITICAL THINKING!!wich is the exact opposite of blind belief in propaganda,and the only real remedy for a manipulated dumbdowned wrongly informed population where AI (fake news ,fake videos etc.)-without proper preparation-can take over the entire internet!

Trump was the first high profile politician who blew the whistle on fake news & exposed the lies of the MSM and that was good & necessary ..

I lost my sympathy for him with his genocidical 'Warp Speed 'project.And since then i watch him on a distance,wondering what really happened with him during that time and what were his real motives;was he with the back against the wall?were family members threatened?Was he part of the scamdemic plan?


Or was he -as some believe-only speeding up the inevitable so that the real agenda could be exposed to the awakening collective and by that detour save humankind from the develish plans of the globalists?..i really dont know & untill i do i will still give him the benefit of the doubt..(& enjoy his -sometimes-funny jokes:chuckle:). -:sun:

[T Smith]

But I get it, I should have joined the party and laughed at Biden falling down the stairs if I wanted to post in that hilarious thread, and pretended that Trump was a great US president and will be an even more muchly huge big great US president again.

It seems to me you may be giving too much weight to this issue. What specific problem do you have with it? Mocking the president's dementia and physical inability to negotiate stairs or keep a bicycle upright, among other things, is a way to cope with the absolute ABSURDITY of the situation we all find ourselves in, that the leader of the free world (who was installed by saboteurs who really want to destroy the world--and kill us--) is a man who is in no way physically or mentally qualified to drive a vehicle (I doubt he would pass a driver's license renewal test--and no, I'm not trying to be funny), let alone assume the most important public office representing the people of the world, we who are all being groomed for slavery, at best, and/or culled right out in the open while Rome burns.

It's absurd, Dennis. There is no other way to understand this. And there is nothing funny about this. Although sometimes humor is the best medicine.

If Nero fiddled while Rome burned, I can only imagine what history will say of Joseph Robinette Biden. And yes, I'm sure he will be resoundingly mocked, for what it's worth.

We find ourselves in the world on the cusp of global war; we are abdicating all our inalienable rights and freedoms at light speed, and we are all being herded into a chute for slaughter, all as the leader of the free world (supposedly)--our leader--doesn't even know what planet he's living on.

In truth, this isn't funny at all--unless you're the powers who orchestrated this. The joke's on us.

[Dennis Leahy]

So, the last 2 posts (and there are many others in this thread) are Trump support, not talking about how Trump is not the answer. Don't worry, I'm not going to complain to management to have the posts moved elsewhere, but I am noting the irony.

The points I've tried to make are that Trump showed us he follows the same globalist agenda as Biden and the other modern US presidents. He vaguely claims to be anti-globalist, but he did everything the military intelligence industrial complex told him to do. I'm neither caught in the pro-Trump emotions or the anti-Trump emotions, but rather the facts, the record. Obama, Trump, and Biden are all on the same page with Syria, for example. How many US presidents in a row have taken a dump on the Palestinian people and supported the cabal who runs Israel? Bill Clinton and Trump were best buddies with Jeffrey Epstein. George W Bush, then Obama, then Trump, then Biden covered up 9/11. Trump, then Biden brought US bioweapons to the world, covered up the origins, and supported the supra-national main players in the pharmaceutical industry. How many US presidents in a row have worked with or averted their eyes/stood down while Big Agriculture and Agro-chem took over and control the food supply? All US presidents since at least Bill Clinton have aided in mass media ownership consolidation and brainwashing/mushrooming the public. Trump did nothing to reverse Obama's allowance of the US government to deceive and propagandize the American people.

Trump isn't different in substance, he's different in style. He's leading we the people down the globalist path just like all the others, carrying water for the globalist corporations - while holding up an anti-globalist placard. Trump wants the USA to remain as the lion tamer to the rest of the world, and promoted a record US military-intelligence budget - just like all the other US presidents for many decades. Obama codified torture as US policy, and Trump exuberantly applauds torture as a tactic. Obama threw whistleblowers in prison and Trump threw the prime whistleblower publisher, Assange, in prison. How many US presidents in a row have been anti-Arab racists, most of them primarily covertly, Trump overtly. Corporations have consolidated into larger corporations, creating monopolies over everything necessary for human survival, and Trump and all the other US presidents did nothing to stop them - and gave them tax breaks and stood down for federally codified absurdly low wages for workers and unlimited ill-gotten wealth for the corporate and financial elite. All US presidents since JFK have stood down, not stood up to, the international banking cartel that has America's testicles firmly in hand. Nero fiddled, Trump played the Jew's harp.

Sorry, but Trump's hilarious antics, his sideshow, aren't funny enough to erase the reality of his actions as US president from my mind. The sophomoric and lowbrow trolling are a smokescreen for Trump's actual actions while US president, and he is on-track to "make America great again" by - again - aiding and abetting the CIA/military intelligence industrial complex and globalist corporations world domination agenda.

The very things that the Democrats mock about Trump are what Trump supporters point to as his main accomplishments - his personality (tyrannical, authoritarian) and style (trollish, boorish, vacuous, and jingoistic.) For Trump to be comedy relief, he would have to actually be funny and actually be substantially different than the rest of the turds floating around the punchbowl. He's neither.

[T Smith]

So, the last 2 posts (and there are many others in this thread) are Trump support, not talking about how Trump is not the answer. Don't worry, I'm not going to complain to management to have the posts moved elsewhere, but I am noting the irony.

This thread implies (at least to my mind) a discussion among members about the topic. I don't see the irony. In other words, Trump is NOT the answer: Discuss. Such a discussion will have posts that both support and refute the topic if this thread isn't just an echo chamber and its objective is hash out the (supposed) conclusion that Trump is NOT the answer. Also, there is nothing in my post above that implies Trump support (I didn't even mention Trump once)--I was just responding to your point about how inane (and inappropriate) it is to make fun of Biden.

But I do get where you're coming from, and I think this is probably the point you are making about the Trolling thread being a sycophantic echo chamber. Except that thread is not so much a discussion thread, per se, but a platform for posts that follow Trump as he trolls his adversaries. It's a David & Goliath thread that follows the efforts of David hurling stones at the giant, not a thread about whether David is an authentic opponent to the fight. I understand why the posts were moved here. This thread speaks more to the latter question and seems more appropriate for discussion that both criticizes and supports Trump as we get to the meat of the matter. Here's a question: is it possible to embrace both positions on varying issues? Or are we simply too polarized and binary-minded by the machinations of psyop to go there?

As far as I'm concerned, I do not consider the Trump is NOT the answer thread as an echo chamber for Trump haters. If I'm mistaken on that point I will refrain from disagreeing with any of the comments herein if they do not appear accurate or valid in my estimation, or if the OP or moderators correct me on that point. For me, I personally want to hash out whether Trump IS or IS NOT the answer. That's just me.


Trump showed us he follows the same globalist agenda as Biden and the other modern US presidents.

I appreciate your perspective, but I just don't see it. If Trump were truly a foot soldier for the globalist agenda, there would be no motive or reason to rig the 2020 election; there would be no motive or reason to weaponize the justice system against him (to such extreme where his adversaries are ready to Nelson Mandela him); there would be no reason or motive for any three-letter agency to move against his political agenda; there would be no reason or motive NOT to allow him to win back the presidency in 2024.

In short, Trump has HIS OWN agenda. That provides motive and reason enough for all the above.

We can certainly delve into some of Trump's shortcomings and failures reforming and liberating our vassal government from the talons of its globalist masters (and I'm sure you will have a laundry list of them), but that's entirely different from suggesting Trump is just another water-carrier for the NWO.

And of course, that's just my perspective.

[Dennis Leahy]

So, the last 2 posts (and there are many others in this thread) are Trump support, not talking about how Trump is not the answer. Don't worry, I'm not going to complain to management to have the posts moved elsewhere, but I am noting the irony.

This thread implies (at least to my mind) a discussion among members about the topic. I don't see the irony. In other words, Trump is NOT the answer: Discuss. Such a discussion will have posts that both support and refute the topic if this thread isn't just an echo chamber and its objective is hash out the (supposed) conclusion that Trump is NOT the answer. Also, there is nothing in my post above that implies Trump support (I didn't even mention Trump once)--I was just responding to your point about how inane (and inappropriate) it is to make fun of Biden.

But I do get where you're coming from, and I think this is probably the point you are making about the Trolling thread being a sycophantic echo chamber. Except that thread is not so much a discussion thread, per se, but a platform for posts that follow Trump as he trolls his adversaries. It's a David & Goliath thread that follows the efforts of David hurling stones at the giant, not a thread about whether David is an authentic opponent to the fight. I understand why the posts were moved here. This thread speaks more to the latter question and seems more appropriate for discussion that both criticizes and supports Trump as we get to the meat of the matter. Here's a question: is it possible to embrace both positions on varying issues? Or are we simply too polarized and binary-minded by the machinations of psyop to go there?

As far as I'm concerned, I do not consider the Trump is NOT the answer thread as an echo chamber for Trump haters. If I'm mistaken on that point I will refrain from disagreeing with any of the comments herein if they do not appear accurate or valid in my estimation, or if the OP or moderators correct me on that point. For me, I personally want to hash out whether Trump IS or IS NOT the answer. That's just me.

I don't want to spend too much effort on discussing the worthiness or appropriateness of a particular thread for a post to land in - it is somewhat subjective and is partially a balancing act that Bill and his mod team have tried to consider, like a good editor does. It's so easy for a well-meaning or for a nefariously-intentioned person to hijack threads or derail threads and spoil any semblance of intellectual discussion. A few years ago (I don't remember if I was a mod at that time), I tried to keep a thread on track or maybe I started a new thread (can't remember) calling for people to be conscious about protecting threads integrity, staying on topic. It wasn't received well.:ROFL: In fact, it spurred a member to (I believe playfully tease me and) start a new thread called the On Topic Thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62681-The-On-Topic-Thread&highlight=topic) , which remains active to this day, whereas my note about staying on topic immediately fell into oblivion.

I posted off-topic in the Trump The Greatest Troll thread after the thread was injected with (or, overtaken by) Trump fawning, what I'd call, Trump Adoration Syndrome. I see this syndrome the same as fawning over Blue Avians or Galactic Council or Barack Obama or Q or other psyops, liars, and psychopaths. Showing examples of Trump trolling was the topic (and some of it is funny), but was often (invariably?) followed with Trump Adoration Syndrome fawning comments. That was what I responded to, not the trolling topic.

This isn't 2015 with Trump the candidate, Trump the unknown, Trump the maverick, Trump the not-Hillary. Trump was US president for 4 years and has a real track record now. Real actions. Real policies. Supporting and fawning over Trump in 2015-16 made sense. Fawning over, glorifying, and misrepresenting Trump in 2023 does not.

This thread (Trump is not the answer) was started in 2016, before Trump had a track record of actions while US president. It's based on conjecture, the theme is conjecture. That is why I don't want to and don't plan to add my 2023 insights and examples of Trump's 2016-2020 track record here. This thread is dead.





Trump showed us he follows the same globalist agenda as Biden and the other modern US presidents.

I appreciate your perspective, but I just don't see it. If Trump were truly a foot soldier for the globalist agenda, there would be no motive or reason to rig the 2020 election; there would be no motive or reason to weaponize the justice system against him (to such extreme where his adversaries are ready to Nelson Mandela him); there would be no reason or motive for any three-letter agency to move against his political agenda; there would be no reason or motive NOT to allow him to win back the presidency in 2024.

In short, Trump has HIS OWN agenda. That provides motive and reason enough for all the above.

We can certainly delve into some of Trump's shortcomings and failures reforming and liberating our vassal government from the talons of its globalist masters (and I'm sure you will have a laundry list of them), but that's entirely different from suggesting Trump is just another water-carrier for the NWO.

And of course, that's just my perspective.

How about an unwitting foot soldier for the globalist agenda? As I've said elsewhere, I believe that Trump would pass a polygraph if asked whether he believes his agenda is to 'make America great', but what does that nebulous phrase mean? What is the metric for "great"? GDP? Jobs vs. unemployed? US global hegemony? Stock market?

Then there's the issue of who the Deep State actually is, and which of Trump's actions dovetailed with or were identical to Deep State agenda. The Deep State is people, people behind the curtain, people/families that are not subject to elections who rule regardless of election outcomes, (and what they own and control), not just a concept or ideology. Refer back to the 3D graph of the Global Corporate Network, with all the major corporations and more importantly, the lines drawn between and connecting the corporate nodes together into a network. That graph is the fingerprint of global wealth, ownership, dominance, and control. It's the financial fingerprint of the Deep State. (Not every corporate node has any controlling say as to the Deep State agenda, and many nodes are simply examples of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" business networking sense. But, they suck on the teat of the Deep State.) Saying "The American Empire" is incorrect, incomplete. It's really the Americentric Global Empire, and it is controlled by the Deep State. I cannot think of any of Trump's policies or actions while US president that were not supportive of Deep Sate agenda. As I've noted elsewhere, we can easily separate at least some of the Deep State agenda from the background noise by seeing which policies get handed, seamlessly, from president to president. We can see other examples by observing the impact of a policy or action on the Global Corporate Network.

I don't see Trump as a monster, a psychopathic member of the Deep State, and I suspect he believes he was (and hopes to be) fighting against them. But that doesn't mean he didn't (ignorantly?) support the Deep State in most if not all of his actions, his track record shows.

It's erroneous to say the Deep State doesn't want Trump to be president - he was allowed to, in 2016, by the Deep State. He sure as hell played ball with the Deep State, regardless his rhetoric or polygraph test results. To the Deep State, Trump was and is yet another pawn, and he played his role well, for them. They don't care if he becomes president again in 2024. The Democrats (the core of the DNC cabal, not the hapless Democrat voters) don't want Trump to be president, they want that seat for more direct control, for themselves, over the flow of cash through the Deep State owned Global Corporate Network. The DNC, like the RNC, is a mob family at least one level beneath the Deep State global mob lords. The DNC mob has gained control over almost all of the mass media "news" outlets, and would be using everything at their disposal to undermine ANY non-DNC candidate that threatened to take away their direct access to the skim off the Global Corporate Network.

Evidently, the DOJ is controlled by the ruling party too, and the DNC fears losing to Trump and the DNC currently controlled DOJ has brought unprecedented bogus legal charges/indictments against Trump - but don't confuse and conflate DNC objective with Deep State objective. The Deep State knows they can work with Trump (proven track record), and they can work with whoever the DNC props up as its candidate-puppet as well. It may be well within Deep State objectives of division and polarization of US citizens to continue to obfuscate who is really in control behind the curtain - the Deep State.

[Ernie Nemeth]

In 2016 he won against long odds, against the Clinton machine. It was not supposed to happen. But it did.

The deep state got thwarted that time. That is why they pulled out all the stops to steal the election in 2020.
That is when we saw the hand of the deep state reach out from the depths of the abyss, make unholy alliances, and no longer hide in the shadows.

The one thing we learned is that the deep state is not American, or Chinese, or Russian. It is a consortium of officials from many countries and organizations acting as a unified whole.
We also learned that the deep state is not all powerful, all-knowing, or in complete control.
They can be beaten.
Trump taught us that - along with the vast majority of American patriots who voted for him in the last two elections.

[Dennis Leahy]

In 2016 he won against long odds, against the Clinton machine. It was not supposed to happen. But it did.

The deep state got thwarted that time. That is why they pulled out all the stops to steal the election in 2020.
That is when we saw the hand of the deep state reach out from the depths of the abyss, make unholy alliances, and no longer hide in the shadows.

The one thing we learned is that the deep state is not American, or Chinese, or Russian. It is a consortium of officials from many countries and organizations acting as a unified whole.
We also learned that the deep state is not all powerful, all-knowing, or in complete control.
They can be beaten.
Trump taught us that - along with the vast majority of American patriots who voted for him in the last two elections.


You should supply some facts or at least logical reasons for your assertions.

Your understanding of the Deep State that controls the Americentric Empire is incorrect. Israel, Canada, France, Russia, Germany, China, Australia... all have their own Deep State, their own small cluster of oligarchs and families that rule (or control at least some of the agenda, in the case of American-controlled vassal States, like Canada) from behind the curtain and are not subject to election cycles.

You'd be correct that the Deep State that controls the Americentric Empire is not "Americans" (US citizens) in essence, but rather individuals that see themselves as supra-national, above nation states, though probably all hold a US passport.

The Deep State I'm referring to didn't get permission from German oligarchs to blow up the Nordstream pipeline. The Deep State I'm referring to didn't ask for opinions from other countries' oligarchs before they murdered JFK. The Americentric Deep State orchestrated 9/11, quite probably hiring thugs from Israel (Mossad) to handle explosives, but Russia and China and Germany and France and Australia and on and on and on didn't plan or orchestrate 9/11, the Americentric Deep State did. The Deep State I'm referring to doesn't control the whole world, yet, with specific examples being Russia and China.

Either the Americentric Deep State is so powerful that the almighty Donald Trump could not dare to investigate 9/11 or be assassinated, or he was a coward for other reasons.

Either the Americentric Deep State controls high-office elections in the USA, Inc. (both by controlling the number of relevant political parties at 2, and by controlling those 2 parties, as well as by vote tabulation shenanigans and Supreme Court election interference) and simply assassinates any fluke, rogue president that they can't control, or else they don't. If they don't (your assertion), they are pretty weak and lost a lot of power since they blew JFK's skull wide open in broad daylight. Because the Deep State wins every presidential election before it even happens, by making sure that whichever of the 2 wins will follow their agenda, they - usually - really don't care who wins.

There have been 3 US presidential elections in the past couple of decades that were "stolen" (my conjecture, but I'll back it up with some substance.) Gore beat GW Bush but the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped the vote counting. I think this was a Deep State move, because 9/11 was already planned and they didn't want to deviate from the known guy who they knew would immediately 'play ball', the Bush crime syndicate member. The next one was H. Clinton and Trump: I strongly suspect that she had won the vote, but because Seth Rich and Julian Assange and Wikileaks had just exposed her Deep State-tied international high-level criminal behavior, she was too much a liability and could expose them as she was investigated, so they gave it to Trump. Both Clinton and Trump were stunned by the outcome in 2016. It may have been a slight gamble by the Deep State to give it to Trump, but he had campaigned hard on military-intelligence support, a critical promise, and besides, they had Pence in the pocket if Trump needed to be shot by a lone (DNC) gunman. Then, 2020 was stolen by the DNC, not the Deep State. Both Trump and Biden were known commodities, both would do the Deep State's bidding, follow their agenda, so, that time, the Deep State didn't care which one of their assets won. The DNC cared very much, and stole it.

If you want to go back one more election cycle than Bush/Gore, you'll get to Bush/Kerry, two Skull and Bonesmen, Deep State affiliates, and the Deep State didn't care which one won, so that may have been done by the actual vote count. The Deep State isn't stupid enough to overtly flip every election back-to-back-to back, but when it suits their agenda, they do. The "winner" will do their bidding, and I can point out at least a dozen of Trump's actions that were not "good for America" or good for Americans, or for the environment that Americans live in, but all in the Deep State's interests, as shown also by the Global Corporate Network and NYSE stock market.

[Ernie Nemeth]

There is a difference between the permanent government and the deep state.

The deep state is international. It may not have been, or most likely we had not yet noticed it was, but it became very obvious during the covid scare. Many facts came out during that period that pointed to the fact that the deep state involves players from many countries and disciplines. Facts are everywhere on this site. WEF comes to mind with their training of young influential globalists and how Swab boasted he had 'penetrated' the cabinets of many countries. That is the deep state. The non-elected bureaucrats may or may not be part of that cabal.

As for the American elections, you are the expert, not me. I do remember the Gore debacle in Florida. Again, I believe that the deep state had not yet completely hacked the electoral system. In certain states, sure. Like California, Oregon, others. Can't much argue that. But in the 'battle-ground' states I don't think it was yet a shoe -in. In 2020 we saw election rigging like never before. So many hands were caught in the cookie jar: China, Spain, Iran, Gates, Soros, Zuckerburg, UN, 6 battle-ground state AGs plus lackeys, Dominion and other election companies, DNC, Clinton Foundation, and many other players and NCOs.

My question to you, since this could get far longer otherwise, is: Can we attribute anything to Trump's presidency? Does he get an overall thumbs up or no? (and I am aware of the thread title, so go for it...)

[onawah]

:bump: The explanation from Dennis makes more sense than anything I've heard so far. (Post #1330)
What I don't understand is why anyone would want to run for office in the first place, given all the inherent perils, unless they actually think they can make good changes (which RFK probably does, and more credit to him).
In Trump's case, I think it is as much a matter of ego as anything.
He would be a better choice than Biden for obvious reasons, but foremost might simply be that he would be less of an embarrassment for the US :blushing: and Americans could certainly use an ego boost.
If he would team up with RFK, they might have a better chance of surviving the forces allayed against them both.
If they could close the border and get the US out of the WHO, WEF web, that would be wonderful, but would certainly take some doing.
The Deep State, however it may be defined, will likely implode the way all such tyrannies do in time.
I think the best we can do in the meantime is simply to keep chipping away at it wherever it is most vulnerable.

[T Smith]

How about an unwitting foot soldier for the globalist agenda?

Hmmm... still doesn't pass the stink test for me. An unwitting foot soldier would be an ideal candidate to advance, groom, support, and ultimately control. The perfect puppet. Do you see any specific evidence of this? But I do acknowledge Trump was an unwitting foot soldier in the Big-Pharma fueled COVID psyop. My guess is he faced a Sophie's Choice scenario (wittingly or otherwise), had his back against the wall, and either understood (or caught on real quick) he had been played in a lose-lose scenario (not sure what choice he had, but that's a debate/discussion for another time).


I cannot think of any of Trump's policies or actions while US president that were not supportive of Deep Sate agenda

I'd like to see your laundry list and the specific supporting evidence or reasoning to advance this assertion. For example, in previous posts you point out Deep-State servant Trump continued Bush/Obama's war in Syria (which may be how it appears from a 2-dimensional perspective), but it's simply not true. On the contrary, Trump's policy was to withdraw from Syria, completely and abruptly. This enraged the Deep State, who then moved cunningly against this policy. Trump faced a mutiny (https://warontherocks.com/2019/10/u-s-officials-ignored-trump-on-syria-and-we-are-all-paying-the-price/) within his own ranks (among many, many other mutinies on similar policy issues counter to Deep-State interests).

The referenced article is not an apology piece. It is highly critical of Trump, and in fact, is written from a Deep-State perspective. The article also cross-references many other articles on this subject, all with the same tenor, and all which sheds light on Trump's Syria policy, which is completely counter the Bush/Obama/Deep State policy.

But allow me to translate some key terms in those series of articles. "The Adults in the Room" are those who carry water for the Deep State. POTUS Trump, who needs a lesson, is the recalcitrant infant who seemingly doesn't understand how the power structure really works. Sometimes the child needs to be cajoled, tricked, or banished to the corner when he's misbehaving.

The short of it is, Trump's team, i.e., those tasked to execute policy, found cause and ways to explicitly circumvent and ignore the objective to pull out of Syria. I've thrown the analogy out there before: how does the captain of a large aircraft carrier turn about a ship heading straight for an iceberg when all his warrant officers, crew, and mess-hall cooks are in complete mutiny?


It's erroneous to say the Deep State doesn't want Trump to be president - he was allowed to, in 2016, by the Deep State... [Regarding the 2016 Clinton/Trump election]: I strongly suspect that she had won the vote, but because Seth Rich and Julian Assange and Wikileaks had just exposed her Deep State-tied international high-level criminal behavior, she was too much a liability and could expose them as she was investigated, so they gave it to Trump. Both Clinton and Trump were stunned by the outcome in 2016.

There is an alternative explanation. From various high-ranking whistleblowers in military intelligence who say otherwise. According to these sources, Ernie is correct. Trump was recruited to run for POTUS years before (and even groomed for it), but on a Pro-American/Anti-Globalist platform. This faction in the military/intelligence community (however small or clandestine it may be) understood the American people had selected a Deep-State puppeteer ever since the JFK assassination/Deep-State coup. That is, every president since 1963 has been been bidding for the globalist agenda and advancing a NWO/genocide endgame. So, yes, Clinton was allowed to run and was slated to win in 2016 (she would have been an outstanding servant to the cause) and in fact, that election was even rigged to assure she would win. Not by ballot-stuffing (which 2020 required), or by stopping the count (also required in 2020), but by the Hammer and Scorecard program that assured a Clinton victory. However, the military intelligence faction, the "White Hats", if you will, successfully disabled the Hammer and Scorecard on Election Day 2016 to allow for a true vote count. The system was hacked....

The result? Trump crushes Clinton in 2016.

The story continues:

Clinton, the Deep State, the RNC, and the DNC are taken aback and utterly shocked. Dumbfounded. They realize they were "asleep" at the wheel and were essentially punked by rogue actors. They quite arrogantly did not see that curve ball coming. But they knew for sure foul play was involved, since they had rigged the machines to assure the Clinton presidency.

And so there was foul play, just like Clinton said, if one considers leveling the playing field a method of cheating.

To counter this attack, Clinton et. al concocted the "Russian Interference" narrative, which falsely placed the blame (albeit via an elementary-school explanation so the public might understand) on a foreign-power boogyman. The DNC, with all the blessings and resources of the DS, went hard after Trump, impeaching him twice, hoping to remove him from office swiftly. To their further shock, nothing seem to work to remove Trump from office. So to remedy any damage the duly-elected and rogue POTUS might afflict on the global agenda (pulling all Troops out of Syria, for example) they doubled down and waged a brutal character assassination campaign not only against Trump, but also against his allies and supporters and anyone who dared associate with Trump. That war rages on today.

All said, I understand this in not how you view the Trump/Clinton 2016 election, nor the Trump Presidency. It may be true, it may be exaggerated, it may be entirely untrue. Take it up with the whistleblowers, who are nonetheless credible, and who have impressive and impeccable service credentials. To put a final cap on it, the whistleblowers' explanation does makes sense to me.


The Democrats (the core of the DNC cabal, not the hapless Democrat voters) don't want Trump to be president, they want that seat for more direct control, for themselves, over the flow of cash through the Deep State owned Global Corporate Network....The DNC mob has gained control over almost all of the mass media "news" outlets, and would be using everything at their disposal to undermine ANY non-DNC candidate that threatened to take away their direct access to the skim off the Global Corporate Network.

So we're not continually talking past each other, I should address this point. You often say, "yeah, yeah, but it's the DNC Cabal attacking Trump, not the Deep State. The Deep State is politically neutral. Trump was POTUS 2016-2020 (and may become POTUS again), he is therefore a Deep State asset. Witting or otherwise." If I am misrepresenting your views, please correct me.

I can't stress enough how differently I view this. The "DNC Cabal" and "Deep State Cabal" are essentially the same entity for all intents and purposes, all aligned to the same agenda and objective, all entwined together like a grotesquely entangled web. Except there are layers to this web that serve differing, but necessary functions, all organized from the top-down. The highest layers of unelected technocrats and social engineers, who are in no way accountable to the people, set and make policy. Think Davos, Bilderberger, Club of Rome, CFR, Rothchild banking cabal, etc., etc. To render these policy objectives down to its simplest core, think Georgia Guidestones.

Then there is an intermediate layer of multinational corporations, motivated by greed, whose deeds nonetheless serve the interests of the entire Entity. Think Big-Pharma, Big-Agra, Military Industrial Complex, the Security State, etc. This level doesn't care if it's killing or enslaving people; it cares about making $ for its shareholders. Greed is thus used an incentive, a type of fix, to do the heavy lifting for the agenda.

And then there is a lower layer, the politicians, who serve as political assets for the unelected tiers above. The politicians tacit job is to carry out said agenda in the previous two paragraphs. The political assets of the Deep State are essentially water-carriers tasked with a "public relations" mission to keep the plebs at bay while the real powers wage an anti-human agenda. Think of the DNC and RNC as "managers" or "employees", or "salesmen", financed, paid for, (and working for) the upper levels. Their job is to placate the masses with handouts and candy, while they assure the greed consortium (which does the heavy lifting) gets its fix. Both objectives ultimately serve the same function.

Is Trump really a part of this web? As a business man, formally part of that system--or at least privy to it--he certainly may grant favors to multinational corporations, but only if he judges such favor is in the interest of America, not to a globalist agenda.

Let's consider:

Every now and then a rogue actor may come along--and may even be elected--who doesn't understand how the system works. But he/she is readily and swiftly crushed and kicked out of the club (or terminated, if necessary), as easily as a horse swatting flies from its ass.

It's obvious this is what they are doing to Trump, but they just can't get at that damn fly....

The "revolving-door" level, the political class, is something we the people are most familiar with, since it is recycled by the people periodically, providing an illusion of democracy and sovereignty while producing a complacent populace. If the political class is tasked to kick out an outsider from the club, the directive would be in sync with objectives above.

How do I know this? Because I see so many actors and organizations not affiliated specifically with the political class (except by tacitly assumed connection) who not only orchestrated/cooperated/executed the Big Steal, but who also continue to wage the vicious war against DJT and his populist agenda, including the weaponization of their three-letter agencies and justice system, and including winding up their RNC assets to go after one of their own. Billionaires, multinational corporations, and social engineering organizations who bankroll the political class (both RNC and DNC) come to mind, e.g. George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. The Deep State propaganda apparatus, Google, Twitter, MSM, which is designed for both DNC and RNC voters (it wouldn't be effective otherwise), but which is NOT designed for MAGA voters, also comes to mind. This Deep State alliance has even branded all those who dare support Trump as "criminals" and "domestic terrorists." Half the country? Really? That's a kind of extreme dehumanization we haven't seen since the days of Hitler's Third Reich. And it's all because there is a cancer within the Entity that is metastasizing and need be excised.

I ask, are all these players just loyal Democrats who hate Trump? How does that make any sense? Or are they the power centers tasking their political assets in both parties to excise the cancer?

We all already know all this, so apologies for the winded treatise. Bottom line: there really is no real distinction between the parties, so it doesn't make sense for one party to persecute the other--if indeed the former truly belongs to the club. An infiltrator masquerading as a party member, however, and moreover organizing an upheaval, is a different story. In case one hasn't paid close attention, there is exactly such a rebellion afoot against the unholy alliance of Deep State Layers within a small sect of one of the parties, called MAGA, owned and operated by DJT.

How it all ends, I don't know. But that's how I see it, and no matter how hard I try, I just can't take the leap to see Trump as part of the Deep State. The pieces just don't fit....


Your understanding of the Deep State that controls the Americentric Empire is incorrect. Israel, Canada, France, Russia, Germany, China, Australia. all have their own Deep State, their own small cluster of oligarchs and families that rule (or control at least some of the agenda, in the case of American-controlled vassal States, like Canada) from behind the curtain and are not subject to election cycles.

Sure. Pockets of fiefdoms and kingdoms across the globe, not unlike the Old World Order. None will challenge the Empire's interests, though, for risk of starting a World War. Nor will they take the Empire to task for blowing up a pipeline, say--even as it hurts their interests--as all these atomized DS pockets are more or less content within the pecking order.

The Americentic Empire is really an Anglocentric Order, as I see it, and all roads lead to and through DC because America so happens to have the brawn and financial power to advance the Empire's agenda. In other words, America, itself, is being exploited as a Deep State asset. Its military advances an Anti-American agenda (with irony) while its reserve currency finances it all. The American Republic has been duped, and its well-to-do citizens (relative to the rest of the world) are too fat and sassy and dumbed down to notice, least of all understand it. I'm thinking of the movie Wall-E here... But I suspect all that will soon change and come to an abrupt end.

If you have any evidence that suggests I'm off base on anything I've laid out above, by all means, bring it. I'll consider.

[DNA]

T Smith, you hit all your points so well. I'm always amazed to see you articulate what I feel so perfectly. I would go back to school if they would teach a class on how to be T Smith :)

Dennis you are the poster boy for how propaganda works on the hope of hippies.
Dennis you need to let go of how you want things to be long enough to see how they really are.

[thepainterdoug]

Not perfect, needing to work within a corrupt system he didn't create , needing to play ball to get anything done, and all things unimaginable against him and his families safety , and considering the alternatives available, Trump remains the only answer for me.

[onawah]

Thanks to TSmith for really getting to the nitty gritty.
All those faction playing against each other makes for a very complex scenario, but that was probably as good an analysis as anyone could do, short of a very deep insider.
I think perhaps Dark Journalist has been onto something significant with his focus on Trump's uncle who was a very deep insider, all that having to do with the X Files, ie ET presence.
I think that is Trump's trump card in a way, and that he still has support from high places, though that doesn't necessarily ensure that he knows how to play the game very well as yet.
But then, considering how complicated it has all become, that's certainly no wonder...

[Dennis Leahy]

T Smith, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to eloquently lay out your perspective on this. I don't want to offer a quick kneejerk response - it'll take me some time to go over your points. You may be 100% correct in every one of your perceptions, and I very much appreciate the dialogue.

Note that I realize that Trump at first made overtures to work with Russia, for example, and that it makes perfect sense to me that the Deep State stepped in and squashed that idea, as they have a 747-sized bug up their ass about Russia, going back to the USSR, at least. My question would be not about intent but action. What did Trump actually do, even if he was forced to do it? What did Trump ultimately do in Syria, even if he was forced to do it? Didn't he follow Deep State agenda? Also, the Deep State has a mighty big fly swatter and could make Trump go bye bye tomorrow morning - and pin it on some DNC patsy. I don't want Trump to die to prove your point, but I can't believe they want him sidelined and are suddenly inept at regime change, their specialty.

I'll leave those quick observations from my perspective and go get some sleep. I'll decide if I want to stick to my previous thought and go ahead and "laundry list" Trump's actions as US president in a new thread, as well as yet another new thread where I would present my views on what a good US president would do in office, to explore the "sin of omission" in policy - or continue a sort of ping-pong dialogue. If Trump wins next year (which I think he will), would it matter if his constituency provided a list of policy objectives on domestic and foreign policy that came from citizens, so that citizens could actually be represented, or is that a naive and stupid idea because Trump doesn't intend to be a representative of the people but rather has his own agenda? (The US is neither operating as a democracy nor a republic and we citizens have no representation now and have not for many many decades, or maybe more accurately for 247 years. So, if Trump wants to remain autocratic like 2016 to 2020, and as all the other presidents have done, maybe less overtly, that would just fall in line with the history of the US presidency.) I'm sure there must be Trump supporters (I'm assuming, such as yourself) that would prefer to be heard and be represented, rather than just accept the notion that he is going to somehow "make America great again", and grab a bag of popcorn.

Geez, 3am. Sleep calls.

[T Smith]

Thanks to TSmith for really getting to the nitty gritty.
All those faction playing against each other makes for a very complex scenario, but that was probably as good an analysis as anyone could do, short of a very deep insider.
I think perhaps Dark Journalist has been onto something significant with his focus on Trump's uncle who was a very deep insider, all that having to do with the X Files, ie ET presence.
I think that is Trump's trump card in a way, and that he still has support from high places, though that doesn't necessarily ensure that he knows how to play the game very well as yet.
But then, considering how complicated it has all become, that's certainly no wonder...

Hi Onawha,

Thank you for the kind words.

If readily available, would you please provide links and/or direct me to the Dark Journalist material on Trump you find most relevant? In the meantime, I'll start digging for them as well.

My understanding is (and this is on absolutely no authority) Trump's uncle was associated with Tesla and the family is in possession of Tesla technology. The uncle was, as you mentioned, a deep insider. Tentacles of that network include high intelligence factions in the military and comprise the "Trump Team" behind the curtain. The theory is, Team Trump is in possession of looking-glass or time-travel technology, both of which, as we know, only provide probabilities (this technology may be how, or may have aided, Trump's rise to billionaire status at such a young age?). In any case, my guess is, the objective to successfully exploit looking-glass technology would entail tweaking the present, or "driving" the present toward the most favorable probability outcome. It's probably more of an "art" or a "game of finesse" than anything else.

For example, if the looking glass shows both a nuclear holocaust where no humans survive, and also a timeline where humans avert disaster and thrive--but let's say the latter timeline requires (or shows) a political martyr like Trump as its catalyst, perhaps to ensure that timeline the martyr must be persecuted unjustly and go to jail (per the data)--that might explain all the Trump baiting.

In other words the secret Trump Team knows something the rest of us don't, and this is driving a lot of their actions/decisions.

This is just a speculative example. I have no idea if any of this is valid or solid info, but I'd like to hear the Dark Journalist's take.

Interestingly, I'm sure most or all Avalon members interested in these things have heard of Ingersoll Lockwood's writings, from the late 1800s, The Barron Trump Collection, that follow the Travels and Adventures of Little Barron Trump and his Wonderful Dog Bulger, Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, and (eerily), The Last President. I haven't read them all yet (the writing style is somewhat dense and hard to follow), but the similarities and character development of these "fictionalized" stories and its "fictionalized" protagonist bear an uncanny resemblance to the one and only, or to the real Baron Trump circa 2023, if we only take the liberty to ascribe DJT's personality on him, including, among other things, living atop a castle on Fifth Avenue. Even the illustration on the book cover bears a spitting image to the Baron Trump we all know, (or to perhaps a younger version of DJT).

Just a fun aside that makes you go, hmmm...

[onawah]

Very interesting! I had never heard of Lockwoods's writing. That's even more baffling than the prediction by Werner von Braun that someone named "Elon" would become a major focus of attention.
It definitely does make you go hmmmmm...:nerd:
I will see what I can dig up from Dark Journalist's episodes relating to Trump and I will post them here.
Perhaps Trump's amazing resilience and seemingly impenetrable hide can be attributed to this:



My understanding is (and this is on absolutely no authority) Trump's uncle was associated with Tesla and the family is in possession of Tesla technology. The uncle was, as you mentioned, a deep insider. Tentacles of that network include high intelligence factions in the military and comprise the "Trump Team" behind the curtain. The theory is, Team Trump is in possession of looking-glass or time-travel technology, both of which, as we know, only provide probabilities (this technology may be how, or may have aided, Trump's rise to billionaire status at such a young age?). In any case, my guess is, the objective to successfully exploit looking-glass technology would entail tweaking the present, or "driving" the present toward the most favorable probability outcome. It's probably more of an "art" or a "game of finesse" than anything else.

For example, if the looking glass shows both a nuclear holocaust where no humans survive, and also a timeline where humans avert disaster and thrive--but let's say the latter timeline requires (or shows) a political martyr like Trump as its catalyst, perhaps to ensure that timeline the martyr must be persecuted unjustly and go to jail (per the data)--that might explain all the Trump baiting.

In other words the secret Trump Team knows something the rest of us don't, and this is driving a lot of their actions/decisions.

This is just a speculative example. I have no idea if any of this is valid or solid info, but I'd like to hear the Dark Journalist's take.

Interestingly, I'm sure most or all Avalon members interested in these things have heard of Ingersoll Lockwood's writings, from the late 1800s, The Barron Trump Collection, that follow the Travels and Adventures of Little Barron Trump and his Wonderful Dog Bulger, Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, and (eerily), The Last President. I haven't read them all yet (the writing style is somewhat dense and hard to follow), but the similarities and character development of these "fictionalized" stories and its "fictionalized" protagonist bear an uncanny resemblance to the one and only, or to the real Baron Trump circa 2023, if we only take the liberty to ascribe DJT's personality on him, including, among other things, living atop a castle on Fifth Avenue. Even the illustration on the book cover bears a spitting image to the Baron Trump we all know, (or to perhaps a younger version of DJT).

Just a fun aside that makes you go, hmmm...

[onawah]

Here are some good places to start:
https://www.darkjournalist.com/x-facts-x4.php
and
https://www.darkjournalist.com/s-xseries19.php

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[gini]

Great discussion!I was kind of waiting when that mindblowing story of these mysterious books from more then a hundred years ago about a Trump (one is called "The last president"!!)would be brought to the table,i often wondered why there is not more talk about that..

[DNA]

T Smith, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to eloquently lay out your perspective on this. I don't want to offer a quick kneejerk response - it'll take me some time to go over your points. You may be 100% correct in every one of your perceptions, and I very much appreciate the dialogue.

Note that I realize that Trump at first made overtures to work with Russia, for example, and that it makes perfect sense to me that the Deep State stepped in and squashed that idea, as they have a 747-sized bug up their ass about Russia, going back to the USSR, at least. My question would be not about intent but action. What did Trump actually do, even if he was forced to do it? What did Trump ultimately do in Syria, even if he was forced to do it? Didn't he follow Deep State agenda? Also, the Deep State has a mighty big fly swatter and could make Trump go bye bye tomorrow morning - and pin it on some DNC patsy. I don't want Trump to die to prove your point, but I can't believe they want him sidelined and are suddenly inept at regime change, their specialty.

I'll leave those quick observations from my perspective and go get some sleep. I'll decide if I want to stick to my previous thought and go ahead and "laundry list" Trump's actions as US president in a new thread, as well as yet another new thread where I would present my views on what a good US president would do in office, to explore the "sin of omission" in policy - or continue a sort of ping-pong dialogue. If Trump wins next year (which I think he will), would it matter if his constituency provided a list of policy objectives on domestic and foreign policy that came from citizens, so that citizens could actually be represented, or is that a naive and stupid idea because Trump doesn't intend to be a representative of the people but rather has his own agenda? (The US is neither operating as a democracy nor a republic and we citizens have no representation now and have not for many many decades, or maybe more accurately for 247 years. So, if Trump wants to remain autocratic like 2016 to 2020, and as all the other presidents have done, maybe less overtly, that would just fall in line with the history of the US presidency.) I'm sure there must be Trump supporters (I'm assuming, such as yourself) that would prefer to be heard and be represented, rather than just accept the notion that he is going to somehow "make America great again", and grab a bag of popcorn.

Geez, 3am. Sleep calls.

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

[Dennis Leahy]

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

Sorry "DNA" (Marcus?), but talk about a programmed mind! Stuck in binary, caveman, thinking. I don't think you even read what I write.

Pointing out the mistakes of the Trump presidency in no way glorifies or supports Biden and the psychopathic mobsters that operate the Biden marionette. Jesus H Christ! You're suffering from Trump Adoration Syndrome, big time, with sugar sprinkles on top. Trump is not a good man and he was a bad president. As usual, the US presidential race pits a bucket of vomit against a bucket of diarrhea, and there are invariably people that will drink one bucket and not the other. I'm not one of those. I won't play the pretend game.

Venezuela. Assange. Syria. Are you really too blind to see that both Trump and Biden are of one mind on those and many other issues? Is what has happened to Venezuela and Syria and Julian Assange suddenly bad when Biden sits in the big chair, or maybe, just maybe were Trump's identical policies (well, actually worse in Julian Assange's case) also completely F***ed up and wrong and bad?

By the way, we're really not supposed to attack each other personally, but I give you my full permission to say anything you want about me. Fire away and show your ignorance about Trump. Just as I did when Obama was president and I pointed out to anyone who would listen that he was a slick-talking mobster and war criminal - and got cancelled by every former Democrat friend I once had, and just as I've pointed out what a mobster and puppet and psychopathic miscreant that Biden is and has been, I believe Trump will be the US president in 2024, and I will not stop exposing him as a bad president (and maybe if his base stopped fawning and pretending, and actually expressed the domestic issues and foreign policy "mistakes" and Deep State agenda followed from 2016 to 2020, maybe if Trump was awakened by his base, maybe he wouldn't be such a bad president in 2024-2028.)

p.s. Thanks for saying I'm smart and nice. You're a real sweetheart! But no, no vaccines for me, ever, thanks. If you read some of the many posts I've written, using the logical and analytical part of your brain and not your emotional afterburners, you might find that I'm telling the truth. The truth, not my truth, the truth.

p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

[T Smith]

T Smith, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to eloquently lay out your perspective on this. I don't want to offer a quick kneejerk response - it'll take me some time to go over your points. You may be 100% correct in every one of your perceptions, and I very much appreciate the dialogue.

Note that I realize that Trump at first made overtures to work with Russia, for example, and that it makes perfect sense to me that the Deep State stepped in and squashed that idea, as they have a 747-sized bug up their ass about Russia, going back to the USSR, at least. My question would be not about intent but action. What did Trump actually do, even if he was forced to do it? What did Trump ultimately do in Syria, even if he was forced to do it? Didn't he follow Deep State agenda? Also, the Deep State has a mighty big fly swatter and could make Trump go bye bye tomorrow morning - and pin it on some DNC patsy. I don't want Trump to die to prove your point, but I can't believe they want him sidelined and are suddenly inept at regime change, their specialty.

I'll leave those quick observations from my perspective and go get some sleep. I'll decide if I want to stick to my previous thought and go ahead and "laundry list" Trump's actions as US president in a new thread, as well as yet another new thread where I would present my views on what a good US president would do in office, to explore the "sin of omission" in policy - or continue a sort of ping-pong dialogue. If Trump wins next year (which I think he will), would it matter if his constituency provided a list of policy objectives on domestic and foreign policy that came from citizens, so that citizens could actually be represented, or is that a naive and stupid idea because Trump doesn't intend to be a representative of the people but rather has his own agenda? (The US is neither operating as a democracy nor a republic and we citizens have no representation now and have not for many many decades, or maybe more accurately for 247 years. So, if Trump wants to remain autocratic like 2016 to 2020, and as all the other presidents have done, maybe less overtly, that would just fall in line with the history of the US presidency.) I'm sure there must be Trump supporters (I'm assuming, such as yourself) that would prefer to be heard and be represented, rather than just accept the notion that he is going to somehow "make America great again", and grab a bag of popcorn.

Geez, 3am. Sleep calls.

I can't believe after all you've seen with Biden you still have the balls to point out perceived wrongs with Trump.
I'm blown away by the cognitive dissonance necessary for a person to lack self awareness or situational awareness in this context.
Biden is literally starving us removing whatever equity we have in our homes and pushing us literally into a nuclear holocaust.
The open border? Afghanistan?
Mandating the vaccines and trying to make them law?

Dude no offense but you got the efn vaccine.
At some point will you ever realize CNN bad?
Sure you're a smart guy and you're a nice guy but you're a mind controlled guy as well.
At some point being smart and being nice isn't enough.
You have to be able to deprograme your self.

Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.

[T Smith]

p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

Seconded. Emotions are high.... many may not want to be aware, but we're in at a very dangerous and critical crossroads.

Pray.

[onawah]

Agreed! It's great you guys are getting it all out on the table.
Once the steam is let off, the in depth conversation can continue, and I think that's long overdue.
It's a confusing scenario surrounding Trump at best, but hopefully, the more it's explored, the better sense can be made of it.
Current events need to be included more, imho, and not just those past.
I still regard Trump as the lesser of two evils considering all his mistakes when in office, but that gap between him and Biden has grown considerably, to say the least.




p.p.s. Mods, please, let it go. Don't delete either of our messages or centure us. It's OK, it's steam that needs to be let out and not harmful.

[Dennis Leahy]

Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.
T, I don't hate Trump, I am describing his actions while US president. I've said before that Biden's open border policy is beyond insane - all Trump has to do is maintain the southern border the way the dozen presidents did before Biden and it would be better than Biden's border insanity. I'm not playing the "better" game. I don't care if he's better than Biden - that's not why I point out Trump's foreign and domestic policy while he was president. His actual record. I am not trying to convince ANYONE not to vote for Trump. If I said in writing what should happen to Biden and his mobster crew, I'd be dealing with the FBI and Secret Service later tonight.

You're right, I'm done with voting (unless and until US citizens rise up and take over the election system, prohibit political parties, prohibit any campaign contributions, prohibit anyone from running for office that owns any stock or has an affiliation with any corporation, prohibit anyone from running that is or was a member of a secret society or has a dual citizenship,...) I'm quite sure I'll never vote again even in local elections and would never ever ever vote for any Democrat gang member or Republican gang member. Even though I can't think of any saving grace with Biden and agree with Trump about restoring the border and stopping 'wokeness', with a gun to my head and if I had to vote for one or the other to save myself, my gray matter would be splattered on the wall. It doesn't matter who is the least objectionable.

But, vote away, all you voters. Deify Trump if that's what gets you high, just like the Democrat faithful that could care less how sh!tty Biden is will laud him and vote for him, several times.

We'll see who the Deep State allows to conduct Deep State agenda in 2024-2028 - my bet is they will pick Trump.

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

Guess I'll go mentally masturbate while the Trump supporters keep polishing his halo.

[T Smith]

Here's the thing:

I'm not convinced Dennis is enamored with Biden--so it's a bit unfair to assume just because he's critical of Trump he's got a crush on Biden. And I'm almost certain Dennis doesn't get any of his news from CNN--he's way too aware and smart for that.

That said, I have so many friends and family who despise Trump so much it clouds their critical ability to think. Most of them are smart enough to understand Biden is not the answer--(of course he's not!)--truth be told they don't even like Biden and wish there was some other charlatan superficially espousing their values whom they could embrace--but even so, they don't regret supporting Biden over Trump, even given all that is unfolding in the world today under the Biden regime. But as I understand it, that demographic doesn't describe Dennis, cuz Dennis doesn't vote. He knows it's all a scam.

Regardless, there are some intellectual observers who don't necessarily support Biden, but who find cause to hate Trump all the same.

All I have to say to those are, I hope you have a plentiful supply of iodine...

At some point, we don't have the luxury of mental masturbation. Reality necessitates a binary choice when such a choice is presented. With the stakes so high, we would all do well to resign to that which isn't perfect for that which is good.

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.
T, I don't hate Trump, I am describing his actions while US president. I've said before that Biden's open border policy is beyond insane - all Trump has to do is maintain the southern border the way the dozen presidents did before Biden and it would be better than Biden's border insanity. I'm not playing the "better" game. I don't care if he's better than Biden - that's not why I point out Trump's foreign and domestic policy while he was president. His actual record. I am not trying to convince ANYONE not to vote for Trump. If I said in writing what should happen to Biden and his mobster crew, I'd be dealing with the FBI and Secret Service later tonight.

You're right, I'm done with voting (unless and until US citizens rise up and take over the election system, prohibit political parties, prohibit any campaign contributions, prohibit anyone from running for office that owns any stock or has an affiliation with any corporation, prohibit anyone from running that is or was a member of a secret society or has a dual citizenship,...) I'm quite sure I'll never vote again even in local elections and would never ever ever vote for any Democrat gang member or Republican gang member. Even though I can't think of any saving grace with Biden and agree with Trump about restoring the border and stopping 'wokeness', with a gun to my head and if I had to vote for one or the other to save myself, my gray matter would be splattered on the wall. It doesn't matter who is the least objectionable.

But, vote away, all you voters. Deify Trump if that's what gets you high, just like the Democrat faithful that could care less how sh!tty Biden is will laud him and vote for him, several times.

We'll see who the Deep State allows to conduct Deep State agenda in 2024-2028 - my bet is they will pick Trump.

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

Guess I'll go mentally masturbate while the Trump supporters keep polishing his halo.

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can't dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.

[jaybee]

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.


And THAT is the bottom line...

While Trump may not be the ultimate answer in a perfect and different world to the one we have now...and may never have, human nature being what it is...

He is, at a basic level in opposition to those who, as you say....want us dead...



This quote is from Dr John Coleman's book CONSPIRATORS' HIERARCHY: THE STORY OF THE COMMITTEE OF 300 (https://cognitive-liberty.online/wp-content/uploads/4A92FD2FB4DAE3F773DB0B7742CF0F65_Coleman.-.CONSPIRATORS.HIERARCHY.-.THE_.STORY_.OF_.THE_.COMMITTEE.OF_.300.R.pdf).....page 5....shows what a different approach Trump has wanting to stimulate industry and businesses, create jobs and increase wages... putting him in direct opposition to what the 'Committee of 300' plan for everyone...ie zero growth and depopulation -



I quote the profound statement made by the prophet Hosea, which is found in theChristian Bible: "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Some may already have
heard my expose of the foreign aid scandal, in which work I named several conspiratorialorganizations, whose number is legion. Their final objective was the overthrow of theU.S. Constitution and the merging of this country, chosen by God as HIS country, with a godless One World-New World Order Government which will return the world to conditions far worse than existed in the Dark Ages.


Let us talk about actual case histories, the attempt to communize and deindustrialize
Italy. The Committee of 300 long ago decreed that there shall be a smaller--much
smaller--and better world, that is, their idea of what constitutes a better world. the
myriads of useless eaters consuming scarce natural resources were to be culled. Industrial progress supports popula- tion growth. Therefore the command to multiply and subdue the earth found in Genesis had to be subverted.


This called for an attack upon Christianity; the slow but sure disintegration of industrial nation states; the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, referred to by the Committee of 300 as "surplus population, " and the removal of any leader who dared to stand in the way of the Committee's global planning to reach the foregoing objectives.

[Dennis Leahy]

We are experiencing Israeli Zionists M.O., not Biden's or Trump's. The Israeli Zionists have been systematically stealing Palestine and committing genocide on the Palestinians since 1948. That's before Trump was even born (I think.) The Israelis have been stealing land, expanding the Greater Israel project, no matter who was in the White House over the past 75 years. It's completely delusional thinking to say that Israel wouldn't have continued on their path if Trump was president.

On the contrary, just as Biden's regime is aiding and abetting the Israelis right now, Trump aided and abetted them from 2016 to 2020 and still espouses the same rhetoric in 2023. Israel wanted Syria nullified, and the USA, Inc. Deep State obliged (Hillary and Obama, then Trump, then Biden.) Both Biden and Trump regimes want to nullify Iran. The 9/11 event (that both Biden and Trump - and Obama and Bush - covered-up) was a multi-faceted operation but primarily an expansion of the Deep State core of the Americentric Empire's hegemony in the Middle East. The "7 countries in 5 years" that Gen. Clark exposed were primarily for Israel, the Deep State's "aircraft carrier" in the Middle East.

The Deep State embraces Zionism as one of its core attributes or "pet projects." The Deep State most certainly has aided and abetted the Israeli government, even if it was the Euro-centric Deep State or British Deep State that was responsible for creating Zionist Israel.

It is more than fanciful thinking to believe that when the Biden regime aids Israel's M.O. it is bad, but when the Trump regime aids Israel's M.O. it is good.

Recognizing Israel's M.O. is very important, because it is the successful pattern that has been adopted by the Ameri-centric Deep State as well as the Euro-centric Deep State, currently seemingly fronted by Klaus Schwab. (Each "regional" faction of Deep State has global domination as their end goal.) The M.O. is similar to what paleontologists and evolutionary biologists call "punctuated equilibrium." If Israel were to expand all at once into Greater Israel, killing and subjugating tens of millions of its neighbors all at once, they would be much less likely to accomplish their goal. So, they do it in waves, going as far as they can get away with, then holding in stasis or even pretending to back off by taking two steps forward and one step back.

Albert Pike wasn't psychic, he was privy to the Euro-centric Deep State's plans for 3 world wars. The torch has been passed to the Ameri-centric Deep State, and whoever sits in the Big Chair in the White House will preside over WW III because the Deep State's agenda will be followed.

It's Israel's M.O., not Biden's or Trump's. It's very naive to state that Israel wouldn't have surged ahead with its Greater Israel project with Trump in the White House, or that Trump wouldn't be supporting Israel 100% and risking/enabling WW III. During the Trump regime, the Russians came in and mopped-up alQaeda/ISIS in a couple of weeks in Syria after the USA, Inc. Deep State apparatus (that created and supported alQaeda/ISIS), using the USA Inc. military, pretended to fight them for years. Trump's regime (following Deep State orders) brought Russia in militarily into the Middle East. Now, Biden's regime is inviting Russia back into the Middle East militarily. These are facts, not conjecture.

Trump didn't put a dent into the Deep State much less "slay" them.





...

Trump may not be perfect, and he may not have slayed the Deep State convincingly enough for some, but I'm certain we wouldn't be on the precipice of global nuclear annihilation if Trump were POTUS.
...

Trump murdered the most influential Iranian general, the troops in Syria guarding the oilfields so Syria can't rebuild and Israel can steal the oil were placed there by Trump, Trump utterly ignored the plight of the Palestinians and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and did nothing about Israel's punctuated slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people... but we're going to pretend that Israel wouldn't have pulled a false flag LIHOP after creating/supporting Hamas into existence and that the Middle East would all be peaceful if Trump was in office? Trump wouldn't have WW III and global annihilation poised to happen if he were POTUS? Sorry, but that's emotion based, not rational.

..

Fair enough. That's your take on it. And you make good points. But when the world stage is so utterly insane and irrational, sometimes all a girl has to cling to is emotion. All I know is the string masters yankin' at Biden want me dead. Trump, halo withstanding, resisted those strings. One doesn't have to like him, nor approve of his actions as president, to recognize this. That is, if one is being honest.

So yes, emotionally derived or not, I don't see any of the LIHOP/false flag World War III powerkeg scenario given a Trump presidency. That wasn't his modus operandi. That's the political objective of those who want me dead.

You really think, if they can dispose of Trump before November of next year, that we're going to have a 2024 election?

If I'm a sycophant for wanting to survive--and for my children to survive, and for humanity not to be hurled back into the dark ages, so be it. We can all worry about whether polishing the halo is warranted or not while we're breathing and well.

[T Smith]

It's completely delusional thinking to say that Israel wouldn't have continued on their path if Trump was president.

It is? That sounds speculative, at best. But how would we know? Trump was illegally removed from power by the Deep State, cuz they didn't know for sure what he would do once they allowed their Zionists agents off the leash, to have their way, to go full-Dresden on Gaza. Maybe Trump would go along with (or be tricked into) the plan to trigger WWIII, maybe he wouldn't. That's the point. Trump is and was an unpredictable rogue actor.

Aiding and abetting an ally of the United States, and in a way consistent with United States foreign policy spanning several decades and multiple presidential administrations of both political parties (whether one agrees with the policy or not), does not automatically equate to aiding and abetting, or even condoning an all-out trigger to WWIII. Those are two vastly different things.


On the contrary, just as Biden's regime is aiding and abetting the Israelis right now, Trump aided and abetted them from 2016 to 2020 and still espouses the same rhetoric in 2023...It is more than fanciful thinking to believe that when the Biden regime aids Israel's M.O. it is bad, but when the Trump regime aids Israel's M.O. it is good.


No one is disputing that. But here's the difference. The Biden administration isn't just aiding and abetting the Israelis. That's just lip service to US foreign policy and the necessary posturing to promote a greater agenda. The Biden administration (obedient stewards as they are relative to off-the-reservation Trump) is also aiding and abetting Hamas, supplying them weapons via Ukraine, and providing them necessary financial resources via Iran. This was all orchestrated. We taxpayers, dupes all, are funding both sides of this conflict to ensure the planned escalation to the demise of Western Civilization itself, which at the end of the day has nothing to do with either Israel or Palestine at its core.


Albert Pike wasn't psychic, he was privy to the Euro-centric Deep State's plans for 3 world wars. The torch has been passed to the Ameri-centric Deep State, and whoever sits in the Big Chair in the White House will preside over WW III because the Deep State's agenda will be followed.

Sure. Provided whoever is sitting the Big Chair doesn't resist the plan.

[onawah]

Taking a step back from the huge preoccupying questions...:nerd:


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And:


“Material Desires Magnified”: The LUNAR ECLIPSE at 05°09′ TAURUS, Saturday, October 28, 2023, 20:25 UTC
October 29, 2023

Further complicating matters, Neptune’s semi-square to Jupiter and sesqui-square to the Mercury/Mars conjunction refracts the light of truth, skewing perceptions and clouding judgments. This diffusion of clarity sends ripples through the discourse, questioning our very grasp on reality. Additionally, Neptune’s opposition to Venus, the ruler of the eclipse, injects an unhealthy dose of idealism and delusion into the mix, making it even harder to discern genuine sentiments from deceptive allure. Following the Libra Solar Eclipse, there is much phoney ploy in our political manoeuvring as we teeter to stay on the decisive end of any argument. In such an environment, discerning truth becomes a Herculean task, with each revelation seeming more elusive than the last. It is perhaps important that we remember to check the source of our discontentment since this eclipse brings to the fore that, even in chaos, one must seek clarity, lest they be lost in the swirling mists of Neptune’s illusions.

MESSAGES OF PEACE:
As the world teeters on the brink of total and unmitigated destruction, individuals grapple with heightened internal turmoil—a volatile mix of misguided hope and impossible despair. Amidst this chaos, this lunar eclipse functions like a cosmic flashpoint, forcing us to confront the source of our emotional maelstrom head-on and bring it to a stable place.

Taurus wants us to shift from mere survival to abundant living. Stop chasing what you think you’re cheated of; focus on what you genuinely need. If you’ve been stuck in cycles of self-destruction and haunted by your demons, Taurus’ earthly energy beckons you to find stability and peace.

This final Taurus eclipse is your cosmic seal of approval, pushing you to make peace with your dark side, settle in a state of contentment, far away from Scorpio’s seething volcanoes. It’s a transition from violent battlefields to a garden of peace. This two-year process has jostled you out of the pits of misery, urging you to enjoy the abundance of life without relapsing into past patterns of self-sabotage. It’s been a journey indeed. How have you fared?"

[bojancan]

He is really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM

[Dennis Leahy]

Isn't the reason to organize topics into threads - to discuss that topic? Alan Watts and an astrology forecast randomly inserted into the 'Trump is not the answer' thread?' (There's got to be a good "Uranus" double entender here, but I won't pursue it.) I sense that you are trying to break the tension in this thread, feeling the uncomfortable tension. Tension isn't a bad thing. Growth CAN come from tension, in fact, growth rarely happens without tension.

The Trump presidency most certainly did have a HUGE and profound effect on the Middle East, in Iran, in Syria, and in Israel. That was where the topic had evolved to before this Watts and horoscope "step back" excursion from the topic at hand.

I'm just about the only one on Avalon that is willing to examine the elephant in the room that Trump caused, promulgated, and exacerbated some of the issues that the USA - and more so the world - is facing right now. It's really not intellectually fair to turn a blind eye to Trump's onus and pretend it was simply the psychopathic Democrats and Biden regime that caused it all.

The facts I've laid out regarding Trump's policies and actions (and his cabinet advisors that he listened to, and the military intelligence apparatus that is the enforcement wing of the Deep State that he obeyed, even if quasi-reluctantly) have been excused, ignored, re-branded, and swept under the rug. Trump, turds and all, is going to be the next US president (I suspect.) I'm not preventing it or even recommending that US voters vote for someone else, but it doesn't have to happen sycophanticly and affording Trump an opaque smokescreen obscuring his major "blunders" and acquiescence to globalist/Deep State agenda while in office.

"Better than Biden!" isn't an intellectual discussion, and neither is the "Better than Trump!" battle-cry of the Democrats. Please allow the conversation to step back into the topic.


Taking a step back from the huge preoccupying questions...:nerd:


...

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi Pris. I don’t know bojancan’s politics, but after watching 6 min of the vid, I think that it’s in the right thread.

The title, “ Trump SHORT CIRCUITS During LOW ENERGY and AWFUL Speech”, is ridiculous. It would better be titled “Bunched Panties FIGHT BACK!”. I scrolled into the comments, and they all echoed that meme lol.

Master troll for sure. I find some of Dennis’s arguments persuasive, but this ain’t that. Embed of bojancan’s vid:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM




.

He is really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM


In case you missed this:


Mod note from Bill:

Dear Friends,

[onawah]

I find it's often helpful to step back and take a look at ourselves and our motivations when we are deeply embroiled in a controversial subject, and this time seems like a good time for that to me.
There is LOT going on inside of us as well as all around us, that affects the way we deal with what's going on outside, sometimes more than we realize.
The cosmos now is going through huge changes and that is reflected on what's going on on more mundane levels, but it helps to have a clear view of both.
When there is a fight going on, occasionally a referee steps in to allow for a break. :boxing:
Everyone takes a little breather, reevaluates, clears their heads, and resumes the contest in a more refreshed and cognizant state.
This thread is an important one and my intent was not to derail or oppose, but to encourage just that.

[DNA]

Isn't the reason to organize topics into threads - to discuss that topic? Alan Watts and an astrology forecast randomly inserted into the 'Trump is not the answer' thread?' (There's got to be a good "Uranus" double entender here, but I won't pursue it.) I sense that you are trying to break the tension in this thread, feeling the uncomfortable tension. Tension isn't a bad thing. Growth CAN come from tension, in fact, growth rarely happens without tension.

The Trump presidency most certainly did have a HUGE and profound effect on the Middle East, in Iran, in Syria, and in Israel. That was where the topic had evolved to before this Watts and horoscope "step back" excursion from the topic at hand.

I'm just about the only one on Avalon that is willing to examine the elephant in the room that Trump caused, promulgated, and exacerbated some of the issues that the USA - and more so the world - is facing right now. It's really not intellectually fair to turn a blind eye to Trump's onus and pretend it was simply the psychopathic Democrats and Biden regime that caused it all.

The facts I've laid out regarding Trump's policies and actions (and his cabinet advisors that he listened to, and the military intelligence apparatus that is the enforcement wing of the Deep State that he obeyed, even if quasi-reluctantly) have been excused, ignored, re-branded, and swept under the rug. Trump, turds and all, is going to be the next US president (I suspect.) I'm not preventing it or even recommending that US voters vote for someone else, but it doesn't have to happen sycophanticly and affording Trump an opaque smokescreen obscuring his major "blunders" and acquiescence to globalist/Deep State agenda while in office.

"Better than Biden!" isn't an intellectual discussion, and neither is the "Better than Trump!" battle-cry of the Democrats. Please allow the conversation to step back into the topic.


Taking a step back from the huge preoccupying questions...:nerd:


...

For you hating Trump is a religion and you are forever seeking converts.

With all that is going on wrong in the world right now the fact that when you take time to cobble two words together it's invariably anti Trump is most telling.

You don't understand one basic tenant to get what is going on.

DEPOPULATION

If you did you would be railing against the Globalists for having been tricked into taking their death dealing vaccine.
Word to the wise start taking Nattokinase immediately. You saw what happened to Matthew Perry yesterday right?
The guy who was so pro vaccine he was selling "can you get vaccinated enough" t-shirts.
The fact that the DEPOPULATION agenda Globalists and their patsies in the media and Goverment attacked Trump nonstop should tell you who to root for.
The guy made mistakes but who wouldn't with friends and foes alike fighting so against him.

You don't understand Globalism.
You still believe Goverments at some level are representatives of the people and no matter how complicated or enlightened you try to make your case it is still wrong because you don't get globalism and you don't get depopulation. Period.

It's not confusing.
It's not abstract.
Our Government wants to kill us.
As is the case with most governments of the world wanting to kill their citizens.

The exception being antiglobalist Nationalists. The party started and championed by Trump.

Trump and those following his movement are the only ones not married to the globalist agendas of the mass extermination agenda of humans.

Can we get any simpler than that?

[Dennis Leahy]

For you hating Trump is a religion and you are forever seeking converts.
I don't hate Trump, but you do seem to hate hearing truth about the negative actions and policies of Trump that you want everyone to ignore. If I were to "convert" you, for example, then after your conversion you would still support Trump and still vote for him, but you wouldn't do it blindly, and maybe you, converted, could 'hold Trump's feet to the fire' as president in 2024 so that he knew his base clearly saw the negative policies and action of 2016-2020 and not repeat them. When I see a naked emperor, I say, "The emperor is naked!" and don't pretend along with the acolytes and the frightened masses.



With all that is going on wrong in the world right now the fact that when you take time to cobble two words together it's invariably anti Trump is most telling. The Deep State's agenda used to be completely behind the curtain, hidden. On November 22, 1963, The Deep State hired thugs to murder JFK in broad daylight. They totally got away with it and the coverup and control over the mass media. The mass media never recovered from being taken over, controlled, and they never will. At this point, the Deep State barely has a transparent veil, no longer a curtain. The politicians are the State, not the Deep State. "Deep State" are the controllers of the politicians. 9/11 was orchestrated by the Deep State. The politicians were ordered to cover-up 9/11, and they all did, Trump included. "7 countries in 5 years" was Deep State, using the US military that they control. Crushing Russia and China is Deep State policy - the Deep State doesn't want a multi-polar world, they want to rule the world. The Deep State controls the CIA, the politicians don't.

Neutering Venezuela was Deep State policy - Trump happened to be the US president when the Deep State wanted Venezuela neutered, and Trump did the Deep State's dirty work (narco-terrorism international charges on the Venezuelan president, his cabinet members and generals, sanctions (phase 1 war), and a CIA fomented attempted coup, followed by the Trump regime proclaiming Guaidó was the president of Venezuela, followed by yet another CIA-fomented attempt called Operation Guideon in 2020.)

Murdering Iranian general Soleimani was Deep State agenda, which the Trump white house actuated, and Trump bragged about it. The Deep State and their CIA (along with Briton) overthrew the president of Iran in 1953, Operation Ajax, to control Iranian oil, Middle East regional control, and probably for the nascent Israel project begun 6 years prior. Everything that US citizens "know" about Iran came from the Deep State controlled, CIA controlled, State Department and the mass media. Most US citizens applaud the Trump regime's murder of general Soleimani, because they are ignorant, and "mushroomed." Trump and his followers think murdering an Iranian general was good, because the Deep State has been successful with narrative control, propaganda.

The Deep State, showing both Middle East hegemonic control agenda and Zionist agenda, nearly completely destroyed Syria (during the Obama/Hillary reign), and Syria was saved by Russia and Putin, forcing the Russian military into the Deep State's hegemony. Trump joined the Deep State bandwagon of demonizing Assad as an "animal", brought warships and shot missiles into Syria, and placed troops to guard Syria's oilfields so Syria cannot rebuild. Trump "recognized", in 2019, the Golan Heights area of Syria as Israel's property, taken by American-backed Israeli force. (The Golan Heights area has oil, water, gas, and fertile cropland.) The Israeli's recognized Trump and called one of the Golan Heights settlements "Trump Heights."

Trump's regime stood down for 4 years while Israel murdered and displaced and caged Palestinians, moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, and:

In August 2019, President Donald Trump declared himself “history’s most pro-Israel U.S. president.” He also characterised the Democrats as radicals seeking to destroy the special relationship between the US and Israel. “If you vote for a Democrat”, he said, “you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people.” Prominent American Jewish leaders, mainly Democrats, protested his rebuke.
In January 2020, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Trump as “the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House.”Do we still want to pretend that Trump isn't partially responsible for what is going on in Palestine, Syria, Iran, and of course the US/UN recognized State of Israel?

Is examining Trump's record anti-Trump? Think about that honestly. Trump's RECORD. The public record of what Trump did as president. Some of it was good, like stopping funding to the WHO, but there are a hundred people here at Avalon who are now, and for the past 7 years, proclaiming only the good things Trump did, as part of his record while president. That's lopsided, one-sided, and dishonest.


You don't understand one basic tenant to get what is going on.
I think I do, and I think I have shown that.



DEPOPULATION

If you did you would be railing against the Globalists for having been tricked into taking their death dealing vaccine.
Word to the wise start taking Nattokinase immediately. You saw what happened to Matthew Perry yesterday right?
The guy who was so pro vaccine he was selling "can you get vaccinated enough" t-shirts.

You seem to forget "Operation Warp Speed"



President-elect Joe Biden received the first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine on Monday in Wilmington, Delaware, telling Americans seconds after getting the shot "there's nothing to worry about."Biden received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at ChristianaCare Hospital. The shot was administered by Tabe Masa, a nurse practitioner and head of employee health services at the hospital. Biden held up his sleeve as he received the shot in his left arm and did not visibly react as he received his jab.

Seconds after he received the shot, Biden, wearing a face mask, said his fellow Americans had nothing to fear in receiving the vaccine.
"I'm doing this to demonstrate that people should be prepared, when it's available, to take the vaccine," Biden said. "There's nothing to worry about. I'm looking forward to the second shot."
Biden also praised President Donald Trump for his administration's efforts in helping accelerate the process of bringing Covid-19 vaccines to Americans.
"I think the administration deserves some credit getting this off the ground with Operation Warp Speed," Biden said.
"This give us great hope," he said.



Trump was still trying to underscore Operation Warp Speed early on the '24 campaign trail (I watched videos of it), until his handlers convinced him to stop it. Trump may have convinced more people to get the deadly/debilitating fake vaccine than Matthew Perry did.



The fact that the DEPOPULATION agenda Globalists and their patsies in the media and Goverment attacked Trump nonstop should tell you who to root for.


No, I don't think in binary: "Biden good!; Trump bad!" (Democrat version) or "Trump good!; Biden bad!" (Republican version.)

I don't root for anyone in either (or any) political party. The only 2 relevant political parties in the US are corporations controlled by the Deep State. I still believe that Trump will get the presidency in 2024, and will be dealing with approximately 535 Deep State controlled congresspersons, give or take a handful, and will be hamstrung and ineffective the entire time. I believe trump's cabinet and advisors and the alphabet agencies and the military commanders will also be controlled by the Deep State, as they are now, and that the actions and policies of the Trump 2024-2028 term will actually primarily be Deep State agenda. I believe you are lauding a false 'prophet' who is adept at using anti-Deep State rhetoric and buzzwords, but has no idea at all how to escape their influence and control.



The guy made mistakes but who wouldn't with friends and foes alike fighting so against him.
Indeed. I didn't say not to vote for him, I said to clearly and honestly examine his actual deeds while president from 2016 to 2020.



You don't understand Globalism.
Well, I'll try to do a better job of expressing what globalism is, who the globalists are, and how the Deep State within the USA, Inc. dovetails with globalist perspective.



You still believe Goverments at some level are representatives of the people and no matter how complicated or enlightened you try to make your case it is still wrong because you don't get globalism and you don't get depopulation. Period. I've got thousands of words publicly published stating that US citizens have zero representation, and have highlighted the meta-analysis that was nicknamed the "Princeton Report" stating that US citizens have ZERO representation in government. Again, it appears that you don't actually read what I write, and are simply reactive to facts I publish that don't support Trump as a savior and champion of US citizens and effectively anti-Deep State.


It's not confusing.
It certainly is to some people.


It's not abstract.
No, it's not. I present facts.


Our Government wants to kill us.
As is the case with most governments of the world wanting to kill their citizens. The evidence is that the Deep State wants to cripple us to be fed into the Medical Racket that they control. Dead citizens are not as lucrative as live crippled ones. It appears to me that Covid-19 and the toxic injections were more about crippling and controlling the population than killing off the population, though certainly many were also killed. Culling the older part of the citizenry faster than normal is a way for the elite/globalists to retain more taxpayer funds (pensions, social security, etc.) When the globalists actually have murder as their #1 goal, they will unleash a 100% deadly virus that they are actually (not pretend) inoculated against.


The exception being antiglobalist Nationalists. The party started and championed by Trump.

Trump and those following his movement are the only ones not married to the globalist agendas of the mass extermination agenda of humans.
There's a huge difference between rhetoric and action. Trump employs rhetoric for support, but his actions while president were not actually anti-globalist (or anti-corporatism, or anti-security state, or anti-Deep State agenda.)



Can we get any simpler than that?
Evidently, some people over-simplify the complex and multi-faceted gambit of the Deep State. Trump didn't make a dent in the Deep State, and he won't in 2024-2028. If he actually becomes a threat to the Deep State, he will be extinguished.

[bojancan]

I do not hate Trump... just listening his yearly long contradictions and lies...
I utterly agree with you, Denis!

[onawah]

If nothing else, all the political conflicts create a huge wall of distractions so that people pay less attention to issues that the Deep State prefer to keep as clandestine as possible.
Trump certainly has been helpful with that, whether intentional or not.

[DNA]

Dennis I give you an A for effort.
Great job with your deep state analysis.
But like Jaybee who was quoting Dr. John Coleman I think we need to ask who is controlling the military and intelligence community deep state.
You need to go to Rumble and listen to some John Coleman.
He has a video from 94 where he calls everything that is going to happen in the next 30 years.
The comittee of 300 are the royal houses that started banking in Venice.
These families know that the single greatest threat to the earth is human over population.
Profits mean nothing to them only the survival of their lineage.

What does this mean?
It means this is where Mkultra really came from.
The Vatican always keeping prominent members of such in high positions.

The play right now is to conquer Europe and the USA from within by using Muslim refugees to further escalate the kinds of things we saw black lives matter doing.

If I know this I'm sure Trump knows it.
His dealings with Isreal may have been a misguided attempt to thwart this.
I can't really say.

But yes depopulation and one world government and religion with Islam being the chosen religion are what is being prepared for us.

My speculations on where this goes doesn't really matter I suppose.

These elite really do demand their followers worship Moloch practice pedophilia, ritual sacrifice and murder.

I think that is where we differ.
I know the governing machine is capable of great evil starting from the top.
And when I say evil I mean the genocide of billions of people.
The governing machine is capable of this because it has been conditioned to do so with satanism and the barbaric treatment of children being a ritual that stamps out any and all humanity.

I'm not quite sure you understand and or agree with this. Because until I understood this I didn't accept the depopulation premise based on the reasoning that people just couldn't be that evil to other people.

[T Smith]

Lets not forget Neil Oliver's take earlier this evening on GBNews. Excellent summary, imo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loS-2xSqPus
Brilliant, powerful, truth, masterfully articulated. I offer Neil Oliver a standing ovation!

I thought it best to respond to your post here (initially posted on the Israel vs. Hamas thread):

Notice how Neil Oliver's bravura rant (which you laud with a standing ovation), riddled as it is with truth bombs in every sentence, calls out every president and dirty politician.... except Trump.

Just sayin'

Trump may have warts--and I take no issue whatsoever when you point them out.

But Trump doesn't belong in the same group of gansters with Bush, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, etc.

What you're standing in ovation illustrates this perfectly.

[Dennis Leahy]

I've taken the time to note specifics of Trump's presidency to prove the point, but they are always glossed over. The points I've made are valid whether or not you, or anyone else, gloss over them.

I've said I'm not playing the comparison game. Whether all the other US presidents are devils or angels, better or worse than Trump is not the point (unless all you care about is determining who is better instead of acknowledging what Trump actually did in office.) If, on a scale of 1 to 10, the presidents that Oliver mentioned are all tied at negative 7, and Trump rates a 1 on foreign policy, that's nothing to cheer about.

Neil Oliver didn't mention Trump, but he did mention the slaughter of innocents, and mentioned Syria and Yemen, for example. When Dubya Bush was president, he awakened the few anti-war 'activists' that were left, in large part due to drone bombing - the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents. Then the slick, articulate, Black president, Obama, took office and increased the drone bombing - the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents - by a factor of eleven. Then, Trump beat Obama's 'death from the sky' record, slaughtering even more innocents. (But it doesn't matter, because they were all a bunch of filthy, disgusting, vermin - you know, Arabs, Muslims. Yemini, Afghanis, Iraqis, Somalis, Syrians, and at least one general from Iran. But Trump is a great troll, so it doesn't matter. Trump is not as bad as the other presidents that Neil Oliver mentioned by name, so it doesn't matter.)

[Johnnycomelately]

Point of order. My quoted post (#1355 in this thread) was moved here from the Trump is a great troll thread, for reasoning that I don’t understand.
I welcome any reports to the mods suggesting that it be moved back there, or else be deleted outright. It certainly does not belong here, whether or not bojancan’s referenced post (likewise moved from there, currently #1353 in this thread) does.

For the record, I am neither a fan of Trump, nor a worrier about his various egregious faults. The former seems like wanking, and the latter seems like self flagellation.




Hi Pris. I don’t know bojancan’s politics, but after watching 6 min of the vid, I think that it’s in the right thread.

The title, “ Trump SHORT CIRCUITS During LOW ENERGY and AWFUL Speech”, is ridiculous. It would better be titled “Bunched Panties FIGHT BACK!”. I scrolled into the comments, and they all echoed that meme lol.

Master troll for sure. I find some of Dennis’s arguments persuasive, but this ain’t that. Embed of bojancan’s vid:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM




.

He is really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoPztLmAdM


In case you missed this:


Mod note from Bill:

Dear Friends,

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm with you, Johhnycomelately, that the above video doesn't fit in this thread. I only watched part of it, and it is the typical drivel that the DNC hurls at Trump, like hair, orangeness, and personality - because the Democrats dare not point at Trump's policies and actions that they echo. I only made it up to the point where the vlogger started fawning over Biden, and had to turn it off and find a barf bag.

[T Smith]

. I've said I'm not playing the comparison game.

But you are playing the comparison game. You continually say, "they're all the same", they're "all Deep State" they're all puppets. Arguing a common lack of distinctiveness is a comparison. I'm not glossing anything over, I'm just calling you out on that. And in my opinion, that's not a valid comparison.


Then, Trump beat Obama's 'death from the sky' record, slaughtering even more innocents. (But it doesn't matter, because they were all a bunch of filthy, disgusting, vermin - you know, Arabs, Muslims. Yemini, Afghanis, Iraqis, Somalis, Syrians, and at least one general from Iran.

If you're referring to Syria, we've already addressed this; Trump's policy on Syria was to disengage, but his Administration's policy, in direct mutiny, found ways to circumvent that directive. I'm not suggesting that's not a failure (or glossing it over), but you frame it as if Trump himself is sitting behind his desk and personally playing a video game, with glee, dropping carpet bombs on innocents. C'mon. You're just projecting rage now. That's entirely inaccurate.

We do know Trump signed off on the assassination of the Iranian commander of the Quds Force (a designated terrorist organization by both the United States and European Parliament) but targeting a high-ranking designated enemy of the United States is not the same as targeting an innocent. You might argue Trump really took out an enemy of the Deep State there (and probably wouldn't be wrong), and therefore he's a proxy of the Deep State. But I'm not sure we can take that leap. Maybe that attack averted a large-scale terrorist attack that would have claimed the lives of hundreds or thousands of innocents (as claimed by media); maybe it didn't. I don't know--neither of us do.

If you are referring to some other instance of Trump gleefully gaming with drone strikes or carpet bombs, however, please cite with specifics.

The bottom line is, Donald Trump is a blatant departure away from Deep State politics. This is the main reason he garners so much support. He even threatened to defund or withdrawal from NATO (the nerve!). I'm really having a difficult time understanding how you don't see this and am starting to think (whether you're aware or not) his wildcard antics away from Deep State policies may be the very thing you most take issue with.

It's true our species has created a perpetual and senseless killing machine in the name of some cause or another ever since Eisenhower warned us about the out-of-control military industrial complex. It is true this is an unjust domino that has slaughtered and ruined millions of innocent lives, a virtual juggernaut with a seeming life of its own, which no one person, or POTUS, will ever be able to dismantle (or even slow) by himself. All of us who are aware of this hate war and disapprove of this, but recognize reality: we're all in this war against this enemy, in a fight for our lives, whether we like it or not. We sometimes just lose sight of what we're fighting and who the enemy is.

So here's the thing I and others have been trying convey:

We are all a bunch of filthy disgusting vermin in the soul-less eyes of the powers ultimately commandeering the killing you and I so despise. We are all its target, not only for slaughter, but also for genocide and extinction.... If we must project rage, let's keep a proper prospective and direct it not only where it's deserved, but also where it has the best chance at being effective.

[gini]

Oct 31, 2023 #TheJimmyDoreShow
Former US president Donald Trump opened his speech at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s conference by declaring, “I love Israel. I love Israel.” He then went on to state that if he’s elected president again he will pursue “vengeance” against Hamas in response to the group’s October 7 attacks inside Israel.

Jimmy, along with The Convo Couch host Craig Jardula and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger, discusses how Trump is declaring himself as much of a bloodthirsty warmonger marching us into a global conflict as his fellow Republican candidates or Joe Biden. E2FDzFjQI9w. :facepalm:

[T Smith]

Oct 31, 2023 #TheJimmyDoreShow
Former US president Donald Trump opened his speech at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s conference by declaring, “I love Israel. I love Israel.” He then went on to state that if he’s elected president again he will pursue “vengeance” against Hamas in response to the group’s October 7 attacks inside Israel.

Jimmy, along with The Convo Couch host Craig Jardula and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger, discusses how Trump is declaring himself as much of a bloodthirsty warmonger marching us into a global conflict as his fellow Republican candidates or Joe Biden. E2FDzFjQI9w. :facepalm:

To be perfectly clear, I disapprove and disagree 100% with DJT's rhetoric. Dore is quick to convict based on this speech, but we should also take it with a grain of salt, being he's specifically addressing the Jewish lobby.

The best policy is negotiating for peace and de-escalation. But that's definitely not something the Jewish lobby wants to hear right now.

Hopefully, this is just a reflection of the ugly side of politics. Time will tell.

[grapevine]

For the record, I am neither a fan of Trump, nor a worrier about his various egregious faults. The former seems like wanking, and the latter seems like self flagellation.


So very funny and so true :bigsmile:



So here's the thing I and others have been trying convey:

We are all a bunch of filthy disgusting vermin in the soul-less eyes of the powers ultimately commandeering the killing you and I so despise. We are all its target, not only for slaughter, but also for genocide and extinction....

This is also true, but not at all funny. :worried:

Being English, the POTUS is an important ally to us, although far enough removed that we're not affected on a daily basis. As Presidents go, Donald Trump is not the best but is certainly not the worst, unlike the present incumbent.

What I like about Donald Trump is, as T Smith says, he's not Deep State (although his stance on Israel is concerning), and if he DOES get voted back in then we in the UK have the smallest chance to oust our Deep State political parties and vote in an independent, and hopefully rid ourselves of the Woke "Blob" in our respective countries. I don't think there's any chance of this at all otherwise. Until Nigel Farage's stance on Israel (which is the same as Trump's), I had hoped that his party would get in and (at least) slow the WEF, WHO, et al, down.

People should always vote for the best but as is so often the case these days, they vote to keep others out (if they turn out at all), and this is a big factor.

[onawah]

If Trump's justification for those statements is that he is a Christian, then he needs reminding: "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord".
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/ae/c8/0daec83ff9c19b8956b352050a2f654b.jpg
When wrestling with pigs, it's inevitable that you are going to get dirty, it's just a matter of how dirty.
Vengeance as a motivation will get you very dirty indeed.


Oct 31, 2023 #TheJimmyDoreShow
Former US president Donald Trump opened his speech at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s conference by declaring, “I love Israel. I love Israel.” He then went on to state that if he’s elected president again he will pursue “vengeance” against Hamas in response to the group’s October 7 attacks inside Israel.

Jimmy, along with The Convo Couch host Craig Jardula and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger, discusses how Trump is declaring himself as much of a bloodthirsty warmonger marching us into a global conflict as his fellow Republican candidates or Joe Biden. . :facepalm:

[mountain_jim]

Another Not The Answer. :)

https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1720190762808185053?s=20

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[T Smith]

Another Not The Answer. :)

https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1720190762808185053?s=20

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Good God, is it the jab? How hard is it to negotiate a flight of stairs?

[onawah]

Is that really Newsome? He doesn't look as tall.
If it was, why did he not delegate someone else to deal with his luggage? Strange.
(I doubt very much that he or Biden or anyone else in the Deep State got the real jabs, though they may have made a point to have someone jab them with a fake on camera to make it look like they did.)
But maybe so...there's also this:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-10-29/newsom-stumbles-falls-down-basketball-court-china

Nope, according to this video, it's not Newsome debarking, it's Tommy Tuberville.
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One of the comments says:
"That would be Senator Tommy Tuberville from my State of Alabama 🤔 He lived in Florida but was elected to the Senate in Alabama 🤔 He was one of the worst coaches to ever coach my beloved Auburn Tigers and he's hands down the most horrible Senator elected by the Trumpublicans in my State. I'm a born and raised pasty White Liberal Democrat Alabamian Grandma y'all."

It appears to be a tradition started some time ago...
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[mountain_jim]

Sorry for the misinformation (and thread distraction)- the community note was not present then and my knowledge of his appearance not that great

[bojancan]

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I prefer Meidas Touch explanation of Trump's behaviour .. what is happening in court today than Habba!

[bojancan]

Doesn't Trump hate all of those, who are NOT WITH HIM????? Wit his ugly narration everywhere!!! And those with HIM here in Avalon, they are so blind fully, nearly mind controlled against opposed ones... Sad!

[bojancan]

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[bojancan]

I remember, decades ago.. /I am young in two years, 80/how we red in Europe, what's happening with Ivana&Donald... all those years back then, Donald's mentor was Roy Cohn... a big CON man... and Donald was friend for decades with Mossad Epstein too... from that men, Donald was learned/educated, how con artist can become big Con and master of deception. It's not only few years, to follow his mastery of fraud existence... it lasted many decades till now... Donald is a big con man, actor, liar, pretender, hijacker of truth and free movements... but not good Bussines MAN... Why? Answer is there... the veil is coming down... supprisangly we shall see the naked Donald!

I am not a democrat or Biden's supporter, nor American... just observing, how many angry, non spiritual and revenge-wanting people are talking about THE TRUTH!

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[bojancan]

I do not have the trust in that kind of human as Trump! More believable is Ellis!

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[bojancan]

And here is one more.. more facts as Trumps lies.. on and on!

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[bojancan]

Trump is really something... he was always con and not honest human... The truth will prevail... Trump.. OMG! What a loser!!!!

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[bojancan]

Trump is funny.... and nothing more... Kyle is right! MAGA crazy king is just a Vibe king! Ha ha ha....

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[bojancan]

Alina Hubba... ??????

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[onawah]

I'm not sure that Vanity Fair is a reliable source of information (though I think Whitney Webb is) but it wouldn't surprise me if Melanie and Ghislaine were good friends or that Trump was more aware of Epstein's illegal activities earlier on than he let on.
In contrast, the good thing about RFK Jr. is that he does not appear to be amoral, as so many high level politicians are, though he may not have as many powerful connections as Trump does.
But thinking that it really matters that much who we vote for for POTUS is naive, because the system has become so corrupt.
Here is a podcast featuring Whitney Webb from April 2023 discussing Trump, RFK Jr. and why the system is broken.
Whitney says it makes more sense to go back to grass roots activism and for most people to invest in their own survivability rather than investing in a political candidate.
https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/episodes/Whitney-Webb-On-Why-The-Deep-State-Hates-Trump--Ep--270--Part-2-e2488p0/a-a9rpnb4


In Europe, we knew well about friendship Melania, Ghislaine and two of good friends in the same circles of young beauties... if Trump was not involved, why he did not exposed all of them??? He said about Ghislaine: " I wish her well!" You can find a lot of stuff... also in Whitney Webb's documentaries...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump-epic-bromance#:~:text=But%20in%202004%2C%20after%20a,out%20of%20a%20bankruptcy%20auction.

[thepainterdoug]

Have you ever been at a gathering, a party , a function with some well know people? have you ever been photographed with some?

could you be in a pic with bill gates? or in a pic with hillary, anthony weiner, any number of people who later turned out to be undesirables or even criminals?

being in a photograph and even being friendly with any number of people is not a crime. a crime is taking part in an illegal activity

to eventually take someone down you may need to gain their trust and get into their inner circle in order to know their activities.

hello ??? , its not rocket science

some of the apostales were even seen with Jesus

[onawah]

I don't dispute that Trump may not have known what Epstein was up to earlier on, but he is hardly squeaky clean either, and the kind of Trump hero worship that has become so common is unfortunate imho, and will likely result in disappointment.
Whereas investing energy into more common sense endeavors on a grass roots level can at least make an immediate positive difference, and if enough people do that, it can grow exponentially to eventually affect the larger picture.


Have you ever been at a gathering, a party , a function with some well know people? have you ever been photographed with some?

could you be in a pic with bill gates? or in a pic with hillary, anthony weiner, any number of people who later turned out to be undesirables or even criminals?

being in a photograph and even being friendly with any number of people is not a crime. a crime is taking part in an illegal activity

to eventually take someone down you may need to gain their trust and get into their inner circle in order to know their activities.

hello ??? , its not rocket science

some of the apostales were even seen with Jesus

[thepainterdoug]

onawah/ I hear you and do not disagree. And although it may appear on many of the threads that I have some sort of trump worship, I truly don't. In fact, prior to his arrival in politics, I had no care for him and no grand opinion whatsoever. But we saw 4 years of him, no war, a controlled border, energy independence and so on. The very things good for us and against this cabal.

Do you believe in a swamp? Do you believe in a deep state, a cabal, a mob, a set of old guard, bankers, power mongers, MIComplex people, go to war people who keep the military contractors making money etc. You need war to kepp that going. Do you believe our system is corrupted by outside influences such as China and that there is a one world gov push on with the WEF?

Well I do. I believe there are people in government who do not have the USA constitution and our freedom in their interest.
People who thrive off a wartime economy needing to keep us in perpetual war .
i also believe we are at the mercy of a system of blackmail and coercion that is almost impossible to get a handle on

All this being said, in my eyes, a mere career politician is not capable of going up against this.
In my eyes, DJT is the best , if not the only chance in doing so. Can anyone believe what he has put himself and his family thru up to now? By choice! Not for money or status, not for fame or securing a political future.
Who else? Sell me on who else? I do like RFK, jr, but liking him will not solve anything.

Is Trump squeaky clean? God I sure hope not

[DNA]

I don't dispute that Trump may not have known what Epstein was up to earlier on, but he is hardly squeaky clean either, and the kind of Trump hero worship that has become so common is unfortunate imho, and will likely result in disappointment.
Whereas investing energy into more common sense endeavors on a grass roots level can at least make an immediate positive difference, and if enough people do that, it can grow exponentially to eventually affect the larger picture.


Have you ever been at a gathering, a party , a function with some well know people? have you ever been photographed with some?

could you be in a pic with bill gates? or in a pic with hillary, anthony weiner, any number of people who later turned out to be undesirables or even criminals?

being in a photograph and even being friendly with any number of people is not a crime. a crime is taking part in an illegal activity

to eventually take someone down you may need to gain their trust and get into their inner circle in order to know their activities.

hello ??? , its not rocket science

some of the apostales were even seen with Jesus

You used to literally drive me nuts contributing to this thread in its infancy.
The fact you are still doing it to some level is kind of a mind blower to me.
It's like you're falling into a volcano and the only person within reach who can save you is Trump and as he gives you his outstretched hand you criticize who ever did his nails last.
How powerful is the brainwashing when so many out there would indeed prefer to fall to their deaths than accept that hand.

You can't watch MSM people.
You think it's just a battle over consciously debated talking points.
It's not.
The sound, the vibration of the visual on the screen, the NLP voice,cadance and body posture emphasizing subjects, statements and emotion.
This is all designed to bypass your conscious mind and go straight to your unconscious.

When I see otherwise smart folks carrying on like this I know what is taking place.

The first step.
Stop watching stuff that is designed every step of the way to bypass your conscious mind and brain wash you. These people are not just experts they are the best of the best of the best and have had fifty years to hone their craft.

It's literally life and death.

[thepainterdoug]

hello DNA

if Im understanding you here?, were you referring to me?
if thats your take on me, brainwashed ? Well thats fine, but thats not what I am, nor am I watching what your suggesting I am watching.
But rather than defend or argue, If you have figured out what I haven't, then share with me your solutions to what we are living right now?

and btw, what is brain washed? do I wear blue jeans because I was brainwashed? probably. Our brain is being influenced everyday by things we see and hear. Where does choice or preference begin or leave off regarding being brainwahed?

Brainwashed is in the doctors office waiting room with a mask on watching Mika and Chuck.
Im on Project Avalon

[TrumanCash]

Mike Adams offers interesting perspectives regarding Trump and the NWO/Great Reset plans using the dialectic against We the People. It's the old Savior vs Satan dialectic, IMO, which has been the modus operandi of the manipulative ETs for thousands of years. These ETs use narcissistic sociopaths on this planet to carry out their dialectical manipulations to herd the human sheep in whatever direction they choose. Even Phil Schneider reported to Al Bielek that the real UN meetings were conducted in a DUMB where tall Grays, "7-footers" oversaw the meetings. I can confirm from my own personal experiences this is indeed the case. We Earth humans are being played and "All the world is a stage..."

IMO, the worst diseases on this planet currently are cognitive dissonance and lack of discernment due to thousands of years of religious and governmental manipulation (aka, mind control) by these nefarious ETs. This manipulation is based upon a very positive spiritual aspect called TRUST. Unfortunately, our positive nature to trust is being used against us by the sociopaths whether they be ET or human.

Mike Adams lays out the ground work that has been laid that could very possibly lead to the implementation of the not-so-great "Reset":


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c

[ExomatrixTV]

Mike Adams offers interesting perspectives regarding Trump and the NWO/Great Reset plans using the dialectic against We the People. It's the old Savior vs Satan dialectic, IMO, which has been the modus operandi of the manipulative ETs for thousands of years. These ETs use narcissistic sociopaths on this planet to carry out their dialectical manipulations to herd the human sheep in whatever direction they choose. Even Phil Schneider reported to Al Bielek that the real UN meetings were conducted in a DUMB where tall Grays, "7-footers" oversaw the meetings. I can confirm from my own personal experiences this is indeed the case. We Earth humans are being played and "All the world is a stage..."

IMO, the worst diseases on this planet currently are cognitive dissonance and lack of discernment due to thousands of years of religious and governmental manipulation (aka, mind control) by these nefarious ETs. This manipulation is based upon a very positive spiritual aspect called TRUST. Unfortunately, our positive nature to trust is being used against us by the sociopaths whether they be ET or human.

Mike Adams lays out the ground work that has been laid that could very possibly lead to the implementation of the not-so-great "Reset":


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c


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[onawah]

I will just echo Doug's response if DNA's remarks were aimed at me. I haven't perused any MSM in ages.
RFK Jr. was on Epstein's plane a couple of times too (and his past isn't squeaky clean either.)

RFK Jr Explains His Two Trips On Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express
Kim Iversen
540K subscribers
11/7/23

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[DNA]

hello DNA

if Im understanding you here?, were you referring to me?
if thats your take on me, brainwashed ? Well thats fine, but thats not what I am, nor am I watching what your suggesting I am watching.
But rather than defend or argue, If you have figured out what I haven't, then share with me your solutions to what we are living right now?

and btw, what is brain washed? do I wear blue jeans because I was brainwashed? probably. Our brain is being influenced everyday by things we see and hear. Where does choice or preference begin or leave off regarding being brainwahed?

Brainwashed is in the doctors office waiting room with a mask on watching Mika and Chuck.
Im on Project Avalon

Come on Doug really?
Of course I wasn't referring to you

[thepainterdoug]

DNA/ Lol

I tell ya, I can't say from one day to the next about anyone or anything. ha!

however, my brainwashing question is an open question for all.

[onawah]

That kind of reaction and your resulting advice would fit better on this thread:https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies&highlight=kim+goguen
...if anyone on that thread would listen, which is doubtful.
There are Avalonians who buy into nonsense, sadly, though that particular nonsense could be some kind of psyop and not just your ordinary disinfo.


You can't watch MSM people.
You think it's just a battle over consciously debated talking points.
It's not.
The sound, the vibration of the visual on the screen, the NLP voice,cadance and body posture emphasizing subjects, statements and emotion.
This is all designed to bypass your conscious mind and go straight to your unconscious.
When I see otherwise smart folks carrying on like this I know what is taking place.
The first step.
Stop watching stuff that is designed every step of the way to bypass your conscious mind and brain wash you. These people are not just experts they are the best of the best of the best and have had fifty years to hone their craft.
It's literally life and death.

[Dennis Leahy]

I don't dispute that Trump may not have known what Epstein was up to earlier on, but he is hardly squeaky clean either, and the kind of Trump hero worship that has become so common is unfortunate imho, and will likely result in disappointment.
Whereas investing energy into more common sense endeavors on a grass roots level can at least make an immediate positive difference, and if enough people do that, it can grow exponentially to eventually affect the larger picture.

...

You used to literally drive me nuts contributing to this thread in its infancy.
The fact you are still doing it to some level is kind of a mind blower to me.
It's like you're falling into a volcano and the only person within reach who can save you is Trump and as he gives you his outstretched hand you criticize who ever did his nails last.
How powerful is the brainwashing when so many out there would indeed prefer to fall to their deaths than accept that hand.

You can't watch MSM people.
You think it's just a battle over consciously debated talking points.
It's not.
The sound, the vibration of the visual on the screen, the NLP voice,cadance and body posture emphasizing subjects, statements and emotion.
This is all designed to bypass your conscious mind and go straight to your unconscious.

When I see otherwise smart folks carrying on like this I know what is taking place.

The first step.
Stop watching stuff that is designed every step of the way to bypass your conscious mind and brain wash you. These people are not just experts they are the best of the best of the best and have had fifty years to hone their craft.

It's literally life and death.


DNA, really? You're calling someone else brainwashed, and your support of Trump is unconditional hearts and unicorns fantasy, and you refuse to take any negativity about Trump - INCLUDING THE HISTORICAL RECORD OF HIS ACTIONS WHILE PRESIDENT - into account. Everything that Trump actually did that appeared to support the Global Corporate network and the CIA agenda/Deep State agenda/US military agenda has an excuse. Some "seventh dimensional chess" move. Please stop berating anyone that brings up Trump's reality, his history, his record.

[DNA]

I don't dispute that Trump may not have known what Epstein was up to earlier on, but he is hardly squeaky clean either, and the kind of Trump hero worship that has become so common is unfortunate imho, and will likely result in disappointment.
Whereas investing energy into more common sense endeavors on a grass roots level can at least make an immediate positive difference, and if enough people do that, it can grow exponentially to eventually affect the larger picture.

...

You used to literally drive me nuts contributing to this thread in its infancy.
The fact you are still doing it to some level is kind of a mind blower to me.
It's like you're falling into a volcano and the only person within reach who can save you is Trump and as he gives you his outstretched hand you criticize who ever did his nails last.
How powerful is the brainwashing when so many out there would indeed prefer to fall to their deaths than accept that hand.

You can't watch MSM people.
You think it's just a battle over consciously debated talking points.
It's not.
The sound, the vibration of the visual on the screen, the NLP voice,cadance and body posture emphasizing subjects, statements and emotion.
This is all designed to bypass your conscious mind and go straight to your unconscious.

When I see otherwise smart folks carrying on like this I know what is taking place.

The first step.
Stop watching stuff that is designed every step of the way to bypass your conscious mind and brain wash you. These people are not just experts they are the best of the best of the best and have had fifty years to hone their craft.

It's literally life and death.


DNA, really? You're calling someone else brainwashed, and your support of Trump is unconditional hearts and unicorns fantasy, and you refuse to take any negativity about Trump - INCLUDING THE HISTORICAL RECORD OF HIS ACTIONS WHILE PRESIDENT - into account. Everything that Trump actually did that appeared to support the Global Corporate network and the CIA agenda/Deep State agenda/US military agenda has an excuse. Some "seventh dimensional chess" move. Please stop berating anyone that brings up Trump's reality, his history, his record.

Dennis
I've gone over this before.

You don't believe pedophilia is rampant and used as a control mechanism in our government.
You don't believe we are currently in the midst of a genocide slash globalist depopulation agenda.
You don't believe there is currently an agenda to destabilize and destroy not just the United States but the west in general.

You and I have a completely different understanding of what the stakes are first of all.
And secondly how truly evil the Moloch worshiping corrupted DC Politicians are.

If you did you wouldn't spend so much time playing Nancy Drew trying to find inconsequential dirt on Trump the man who has given hope to those who have thought there was none.

Your cognitive dissonance doesn't allow you to see the truth, a truth you've been exposed to time and time again on Avalon.

Your cognitive dissonance ie your brain washing.

[DNA]

Mike Adams offers interesting perspectives regarding Trump and the NWO/Great Reset plans using the dialectic against We the People. It's the old Savior vs Satan dialectic, IMO, which has been the modus operandi of the manipulative ETs for thousands of years. These ETs use narcissistic sociopaths on this planet to carry out their dialectical manipulations to herd the human sheep in whatever direction they choose. Even Phil Schneider reported to Al Bielek that the real UN meetings were conducted in a DUMB where tall Grays, "7-footers" oversaw the meetings. I can confirm from my own personal experiences this is indeed the case. We Earth humans are being played and "All the world is a stage..."

IMO, the worst diseases on this planet currently are cognitive dissonance and lack of discernment due to thousands of years of religious and governmental manipulation (aka, mind control) by these nefarious ETs. This manipulation is based upon a very positive spiritual aspect called TRUST. Unfortunately, our positive nature to trust is being used against us by the sociopaths whether they be ET or human.

Mike Adams lays out the ground work that has been laid that could very possibly lead to the implementation of the not-so-great "Reset":


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c

I respect you Truman Cash.
I've often thought this was the case.
It's as if the Moloch human sacrifice and cannibal stuff the elite do is a cargo cult or copy cat reenactment of what they see is being done on yet a higher stage.
Dr. Karla Turner hinted as much.
Especially when you hear about the things found on Anthony Weiner's laptop.

[Docim369]

Trump once 'had me'. He does not anymore though. Remember, the deception in the last days will be so strong that even 'the elect' will be pulled in. Trump is an easy case for me today. It is a shame he is causing division. By that, they win. Be careful folks when reacting on anything. It is a strong control mechanism.

[ExomatrixTV]

Trump once 'had me'. He does not anymore though. Remember, the deception in the last days will be so strong that even 'the elect' will be pulled in. Trump is an easy case for me today. It is a shame he is causing division. By that, they win. Be careful folks when reacting on anything. It is a strong control mechanism.


I should make a more extensive list (from a senior veteran conspiracy researcher perspective) about"Pro's vs Con's"to be better aware of what is really going on from my perspective:

Trump 'has me' (a.o: 01. Securing Freedom of Speech (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80790-Internet-Censorship-So-it-began...), 02. Anti-W.H.O. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency), 03. No Mandatory Vaccines, 04. Promoting Alternative COVID Cures, 05. Protecting Second Amendment (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56493-Every-sheriff-in-Florida-pledges-to-protect-Second-Amendment-rights) Rights, 06. Guaranteeing Constitutional Rights (https://rumble.com/v2doe9u-county-sheriffs-are-constitutionalists.html), 07. Securing The Border Crisis (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114419-The-migration-crisis-on-the-US-Mexico-border), 08. Anti-Pedophilia (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121275-Mel-Gibson-Exposing-Worldwide-Child-Sex-Trafficking-in-Four-Part-Documentary), 09. No To Insane Wokism, (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115313-There-s-the-Woke-and-the-In-The-Know) 10. Anti-Nato Wars (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114491-WW3-Ukraine-US-vs.-Donbass-Russia) and much more!)

vs

Trump 'lost me' (a.o. 01. Massive 5G (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Stop5G) Deployment blindly trusting corrupt "Safety Tests Assumptions", 02. Deploying Military Style "Operation Warp Speed (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=operation%20warp%20speed%20RFK%20Jr.)" Vaccines with NO accountability (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113668-Vaccination-Injuries-On-Record-for-Covid19) for Big Pharma nor Politicians, 03. Refusing addressing corruption within Military Industrial Complex and much more!). :facepalm:


The is list on both sides are actually at least 10 times longer and ±1/3 "Trump lost me" vs ±2/3 "Trump has me" meaning there are more positive/uplifting points to consider vs bad points.--o-O-o--


If I would make the same for Biden (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112590-Evidence-of-Biden-Family-Crimes--heavily-media-suppressed-) or any other Democratic WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) Puppet it would be like 1 up to 3% ("beneficial/reasonable") vs 97% up to 99% HELL NO! (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122120-15-Unavoidable-Questions-Haunting-Me-As-A-Classic-Liberal-Every-Day-) :rant:
With RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-jr.-May-Run-for-Presidency-Challenging-Joe-Biden-2024) I rate him much higher: ... about ±95% okay :usa2: vs ±5% questionable.
With Dutch 🇳🇱 Member of Parliament Thierry Baudet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122070-Epic-Speech-of-Dutch-Member-of-Parliament-Thierry-Baudet-2023&p=1587039&viewfull=1#post1587039) (FvD (https://www.youtube.com/@ForumforDemocracy/videos)) in The Netherlands 🇳🇱, it is ±99% okay :thumbsup: <<< and I am not even "exaggerating" here!


--o-O-o--


DISCLAIMER: all list-scores are dynamic not "static"... meaning: "they could change for the better or for worse" depends heavily on what happens next up-coming years!

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cheers,
John Kuhles (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/johnkuhles) aka 'ExomatrixTV' 🦜🦋🌳
November 22th, 2023


--o-O-o--


So what else did Trump do, which was then overshadowed by the riots? Here's a list ...

01. Made vaccines voluntary, not mandatory.

02. Defunded WHO (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118331-Global-WHO-Treaty-for-Pandemics-with-Digital-ID-and-Digital-Currency) for good and wants an investigation into its operations.

03. Cancelled the Democrats HR6666 bill, known as the Covid19TRACE Act that was the basis for Bill Gates (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?110573-Look-Who-s-Coming-to-the-Rescue--Bill-Gates...)'s diagnosis and tracking project, which was also cancelled.

04. Cancelled Bill Gates project known as ID2020.

05. Opened a complaint platform to report censorship on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. It was overrun with complaints. They got the evidence.

06. Executive Order to reopen states: Governors who refuse to reopen will be sued.

07. EXECUTIVE Order for W.H. to take over all Electrical Grids: Which will include Internet servers, Broadcasting systems, Electronic systems.

08. Declares places of worship 'Essential Services.' While Mayors are fining people for doing so.

09. Applauded Australia and 116 countries for insisting on a China Probe into the spread of Covid19 despite several threats from China about refusing critical exports.

10. Slashed the cost of insulin down to $35.


tinyurl.com/Trump-vs-WHO (http://tinyurl.com/Trump-vs-WHO)

[ExomatrixTV]

I should make an extensive list (from a senior veteran conspiracy researcher perspective) about "Pro's vs Con's" to be better aware of what is really going on.


And the Pro's beats the Con's (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342#post1587342) ... that is why I mention it here too on this particular Forum thread!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

.

I should make an extensive list (from a senior veteran conspiracy researcher perspective) about "Pro's vs Con's" to be better aware of what is really going on.

...that is why I mention it here too on this particular Forum thread!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳



John, your post invites anti-Trump debate into this thread and that's not what this thread is meant for. There are other threads for this. Again, this thread is meant for Trump supporters.


Thanks!


:focus:


If that is really the case ... why did you cut out the most import part of my post:

"the Pro's beats the Con's (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342#post1587342)" <<< why not mentioning the most important KEY factor I used?

[bojancan]

Barr was also complicit until he couldn’t stomach it any longer.... "No honour among thieves" 🤣 BARR is just as vile.... as Trump!

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[bojancan]

"Melania didn't believe that one" sounds like... there were plenty of similar incidents that she did believe...

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[onawah]

:bump:I had a lot of mixed feelings about Mike Adams at first, and finally just didn't pay much attention to him, but I think he's come a long way and his perspective on Trump is quite worthy of consideration.
He says the US political scenario is all scripted.
And no wonder, since that's just how it all feels--surreal, unreal...dystopian.
I just wonder how much Trump really understands about how he's being used--I think he's crafty, but he's not all that bright; his speeches are clear evidence of that.

As for Phil Schneider... See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1371252&viewfull=1#post1371252
...where Bill Ryan writes: "Phil Schneider, in my personal opinion, can't be believed. There are several Avalon threads containing a great deal of information. The two major ones are probably:
The Phil Schneider mystery
Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018 "


Mike Adams offers interesting perspectives regarding Trump and the NWO/Great Reset plans using the dialectic against We the People. It's the old Savior vs Satan dialectic, IMO, which has been the modus operandi of the manipulative ETs for thousands of years. These ETs use narcissistic sociopaths on this planet to carry out their dialectical manipulations to herd the human sheep in whatever direction they choose. Even Phil Schneider reported to Al Bielek that the real UN meetings were conducted in a DUMB where tall Grays, "7-footers" oversaw the meetings. I can confirm from my own personal experiences this is indeed the case. We Earth humans are being played and "All the world is a stage..."

IMO, the worst diseases on this planet currently are cognitive dissonance and lack of discernment due to thousands of years of religious and governmental manipulation (aka, mind control) by these nefarious ETs. This manipulation is based upon a very positive spiritual aspect called TRUST. Unfortunately, our positive nature to trust is being used against us by the sociopaths whether they be ET or human.

Mike Adams lays out the ground work that has been laid that could very possibly lead to the implementation of the not-so-great "Reset":


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c

[bojancan]

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[TrumanCash]

:bump:I had a lot of mixed feelings about Mike Adams at first, and finally just didn't pay much attention to him, but I think he's come a long way and his perspective on Trump is quite worthy of consideration.
He says the US political scenario is all scripted.
And no wonder, since that's just how it all feels--surreal, unreal...dystopian.
I just wonder how much Trump really understands about how he's being used--I think he's crafty, but he's not all that bright; his speeches are clear evidence of that.

As for Phil Schneider... See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1371252&viewfull=1#post1371252
...where Bill Ryan writes: "Phil Schneider, in my personal opinion, can't be believed. There are several Avalon threads containing a great deal of information. The two major ones are probably:
The Phil Schneider mystery
Phil Schneider's FBI Encounter- Declassified 9-18-2018 "


Mike Adams offers interesting perspectives regarding Trump and the NWO/Great Reset plans using the dialectic against We the People. It's the old Savior vs Satan dialectic, IMO, which has been the modus operandi of the manipulative ETs for thousands of years. These ETs use narcissistic sociopaths on this planet to carry out their dialectical manipulations to herd the human sheep in whatever direction they choose. Even Phil Schneider reported to Al Bielek that the real UN meetings were conducted in a DUMB where tall Grays, "7-footers" oversaw the meetings. I can confirm from my own personal experiences this is indeed the case. We Earth humans are being played and "All the world is a stage..."

IMO, the worst diseases on this planet currently are cognitive dissonance and lack of discernment due to thousands of years of religious and governmental manipulation (aka, mind control) by these nefarious ETs. This manipulation is based upon a very positive spiritual aspect called TRUST. Unfortunately, our positive nature to trust is being used against us by the sociopaths whether they be ET or human.

Mike Adams lays out the ground work that has been laid that could very possibly lead to the implementation of the not-so-great "Reset":


https://www.brighteon.com/59cbbb99-5f8f-4bcd-9622-0da42e942f9c

Regarding Phil Schneider, I met Phil Schneider on three different occasions. I got to handle the "artifacts" from his locked metal case, the case that they stole when they assassinated him (after thirteen previous assassination attempts). I saw the scar from the FBI bullet hole in his left shoulder that was NOT there the previous time that I had met with him. The last time I saw Phil was on a Portland cable TV channel wherein he was exposing the "suiciding" of microbiologists (right before his assassination). I was later abducted into deep underground military base in north central Washington State where I saw US military working side by side with Grays. I knew Phil was the real deal and I don't particular care what other people think. Did they every meet Phil, question Phil, examine all the artifacts from his case, see the bullet hole in his shoulder that was not there before, etc? I doubt it.

I decided not to go public with my experiences because I saw how people treated Phil when he went public. People will literally attack you for telling the truth and then try to drill holes in everything you might have said or was misquoted or was misspoken or simply lied about by others! And if you get too much attention you get whacked. At present I am thoroughly disgusted with Earth humans (not just the so-called "government") so I have no desire to go public and tell about my experiences. People would try to dissect and debunk everything I would say in a live interview to justify their cognitive dissonance just like they did with Phil. Who needs this kind of treatment?

In my own experience under ground tunnels and deep underground military/alien bases do indeed exist so there had to be engineers to build them, human/Gray hybrids do exist because I was directly involved with that project on "flying saucers" and "motherships", Grays can be very violent, some aliens do indeed abduct people and block their memories, there are multiple levels of government secrecy regarding aliens and their activities, the government has back-engineered alien technology, the government sometimes "suicides" whistleblowers, etc. Phil never lied to me. And I know for a fact that these things are true because both Phil and I experienced them. Phil was not lying and neither am I.

(Sorry for going off-topic here but I feel compelled to weigh in with my own experiences with Phil and my own underground military/Grays experiences whenever the subject comes up.)

[bojancan]

He is a messed person... and liar... so con man! He hijacked the truth movement... will be seen soon!

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[T Smith]

He is a messed person... and liar... so con man! He hijacked the truth movement... will be seen soon!

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I guess the commentators covering this trial are not only afflicted with TDS, they now also believe Trump is lawyering his own defense? These are legal arguments advanced by his team of lawyers, not "a window in the world of Donald Trump's crazy mind" (huh?), presumably because the court will not even hear the allegations or evidence of election fraud. That doesn't invalidate the claims of election fraud (as implied) nor discredit Trump for "flipping" on his claims of election fraud (a bigger, huh?) it merely suggests the defense is presenting the court with an angle of evidence it may have a harder time dismissing (how dare they!) And if such evidence is bunk, it's bunk. But if there is evidence of foreign interference, as Trump's lawyers claim (not just via social media, but via satellite interference, etc.), what is the scandal in presenting it? Let's hear it. Is that not the cornerstone of justice and a fair trial? I'm having a hard time understanding the disdain. It is as if the TDS crowd is saying, "how dare you defend yourself or demand disclosure that might exonerate you and prove your case! How dare you, Orange Man, bring evidence into this court of election interference! We've already found a way to block the blatant evidence of election fraud everyone with a pulse can see for themselves (which will never find its way into a court room for official adjudication), you now dare try to bring new evidence? We've already pre-determined you're a lier and a scoundrel (this is all just theater, after all), so don't confuse us with facts! Scandalous!"

If nothing more, an honest assessment would frame the criticism by saying "Trump's lawyers" are off the rails with this new approach, not that Trump himself is off the rails. But it is apparent to me this type of analysis isn't about honesty. It's about seething hatred and blinded prejudice against Donald J. Trump.

As a student of social psychology, it's truly a fascinating phenomena.

[onawah]

Having no experience of "underground military Grays" myself, I can only refer readers to the report from Bill Ryan, to compare it to yours, and come to their own conclusions.



(Sorry for going off-topic here but I feel compelled to weigh in with my own experiences with Phil and my own underground military/Grays experiences whenever the subject comes up.)

[bojancan]

.

.
Liberal Hivemind talks about how we're witnessing "The Trump Effect" spreading to other nations like Canada. Here, we see how Pierre Poilievre responds to a reporter for the "fake news". This reporter attempts to frame Poilievre as "irresponsible" for what he said to Canadians with regard to the explosion at the Rainbow Bridge border crossing.


LOL: She wasn't ready for this comeback!! 😂

FBTIDTA73kk

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102121-God-Save-Canada&p=1587954&viewfull=1#post1587954


In US... the first reporting about "terrorist attack" was on FOX News with MAGA's personalities!!! For the whole day long!!!

[Pris]

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.

.
Liberal Hivemind talks about how we're witnessing "The Trump Effect" spreading to other nations like Canada. Here, we see how Pierre Poilievre responds to a reporter for the "fake news". This reporter attempts to frame Poilievre as "irresponsible" for what he said to Canadians with regard to the explosion at the Rainbow Bridge border crossing.


LOL: She wasn't ready for this comeback!! 😂

FBTIDTA73kk

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102121-God-Save-Canada&p=1587954&viewfull=1#post1587954

.


In US... the first reporting about "terrorist attack" was on FOX News with MAGA's personalities!!! For the whole day long!!!


So what? I'm guessing that most of the "legacy news" outlets reported it as a terrorist attack. The point here is that Poilievre himself didn't call it a terrorist attack and gave credit to where credit was due.

Fox News is controlled opposition. It's propaganda for the Deep State. I don't give it my attention.

[thepainterdoug]

Bojacan . ok Trump is not the answer. Now what? You have an answer? Please lay out your view of what the answer is?

[onawah]

It's very tempting to look to quick, simple answers to very complicated questions; we are conditioned to think that way, but it's a nonsensical and unrealistic expectation.
We have some very thoughtful input here on the forum today addressing that conundrum from two exceptional whistleblowers, Whitney Webb and John Warner IV, both of whom reiterate just how complex a crossroads the world has arrived at today.
Is there a simple answer, a single hero we can look to to solve the dilemma?
I think not...:( :sad:


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[thepainterdoug]

onawah. yes thanks, its absurd to think any one person is the answer. but one person chosen over an other person to get a particular job done, is an answer. An answer between two choices.

The Whitney Webb interview details the unbelievable connundrum, the tangled ball of twine the human race has gotten itself into. The cyber world is so complicated even to smart educated people in the field, much less the average person. These people involved in this have pulled away from what I would call, actionable interaction, by the average human. i dont know how any of this works, or how to participate in it.
What can be done by an individual?

Im on telegram and follow several chats by specific people or news titles. My phone dings at least 400 times a day with a title, Breaking News! Its unbelievable and we are all in deep trouble where these censorship, free speech issues are going.

What about a Whitney Webb, Tucker, or any number of journalists and pot stirrers ? What law will find its way to justifying their arrest, when a person sending a meme out can be swatted and shot, where do we all fall into?

Its beyond complicated, and I asked Bojacan his honest input, if Trump is not the answer, as an individual figure, who is? Perhaps the WEF as a group?

thanks for the videos, loved the W Webb one, will listen to John Warner tonight, who I have spoken to personally several times.

hang in there all.

[bojancan]

Yes, sociopath is the correct term.... DJT is amoral... No conscience towards others! A very dangerous man when placed in a high position. I have funny fillings... neither Trump or Biden will be in WH in 2025!!

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[DNA]

I know a lot of folks are thinking RFK could be their man.
And even I was hoping he could be a potential plan B.
But Epstien complicity is starting to rear its ugly head including a long time friendship between RFK JR'S now dead wife and Ghilasne Maxwell.
This culminated with RFK JR'S wife ahem over dosing and dying as she was divorcing him.

Also I'm just going to say it.
I don't trust a guy who looks as good as RFK does at his age.
It kind of adds in to the suspicions that he is a Epstien island weirdo sex addict and wants this super amazing body to help him perform in his desired addiction.

So I'm just saying.
Trump may seem bad to you people but that's just because your don't know the whole truth about your beloved would be replacements.

Trump really is the answer people

[bojancan]

DNA.... I am listening rarely here and there MSM... there are sometimes some good topic too... not only in "alternative" socials....not anyone of those in waiting are my beloved... I am not from US, but seams to me ... will be a big surprise... as I said, no Trump, no Biden! I am feeling a positive resolve! Be well!

[bojancan]

Interesting!!!! It's a simple, straightforward explanation... Facts are GOP's, MAGA's worst nightmare... love to hear this from FOX! Again, not Trump's or Biden's fan... but here you are!!!

BTW... I am very disappointed on Avalon, I can not add my post on the Trump's CRIMINAL tread anymore!!! WHY????? I did't express myself hateful against Trump... just say what it is!!! Shame!

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[Bill Ryan]

I did't express myself hateful against Trump... just say what it is!!! Shame!

qOx2cNcpsEQMany of your posts are totally hateful. :)

I made the call myself to block you from the two other Trump threads. You can post as much as you like on this one here (which is what it's for!), but you really are often looking like a troll who just makes insults with very little well-thought-out, intelligent argument.

[bojancan]

But, I do not understand.. when the crowds and trump's admirers also here in Avalon are cheering on his daily hateful, insulting and not respectful manner and acts!
It's OK Bill... I understand yourself well My native language is not English, so this your very little well-thought-out intelligent argument is like that! Let it be as you said! And I am not a TROLl! Period! Thank you!

[Bill Ryan]

And I am not a TROLl! Period! Thank you!No, you're not a troll. What I'm really saying is that arguments against Trump being a good presidential option for the US in 2024 ideally need to be carefully presented.

That means no one-line jokes with an LOL at the end that are not connected with the topic of the thread.

As you know, I don't post on this thread (and rarely on the other Trump threads: I'm not an American, and my knowledge of American politics is relatively limited) — but I do have some personal opinions which I'll try to summarize here.

As many others have pointed out, Trump surrounded himself (and appeared to trust) many of the wrong people in his first 2016-2020 term. That's actually surprising, as he's a very successful businessman and one doesn't become that way without having a good instinct for whom to trust and whom not to.

Just one example of this: as Judge Andrew Napolitano has stated publicly several times, he had a long private personal conversation with Trump very shorty before he left office as president, intending to persuade him to pardon Julian Assange as one final presidential act.

Napolitano left the conversation pretty certain that he had succeeded in convincing Trump to do this, and he appeared to have agreed. But then someone else (and Napolitano does not know who) changed Trump's mind again immediately afterwards, and the pardon never happened.

As I've posted before several times on other threads, the question isn't about who Trump is, but about who he isn't. He's not a Deep State puppet, he largely thinks for himself (and may well do completely if he's elected in 2024, having learned from his mistakes), and (in my personal view) he is not corrupt.

The LONG list of actions, accusations and lawsuits against him (this is now being called 'lawfare' which is a play in words on 'warfare' and isn't actually a real English word itself) show that the Deep State is determined to stop him from being president in any possible way, legal or otherwise. That alone persuades me to support him, and of course many Americans have the same view.

I have one caveat to all of the above: I do NOT know (for sure) what Trump's stance is on Israel vs Palestine. I've not heard him making any statements condemning Israeli's genocide, but I may simply have missed those.

And a tiny personal endorsement. I have a friend (a bilingual Ecuadorian) who worked for Trump in the US for 10 years. He spoke with Trump personally many times. He says he's the best manager he ever had, or ever saw. He was always interested in his staff's personal affairs, and knew and remembered the names of everyone's children and even their dogs. He was always kind and fair. But he had extremely high standards, and would never tolerate laziness, incompetence. or dishonesty.

So to summarize, Trump may indeed NOT be the answer — but he may simply be the best possible answer that seems to be available. If he's not elected, America will crash and burn, maybe literally. America will be finished. If he is elected, America might have a chance of mending America's destroyed reputation in most of the world. (It's not guaranteed. But there's a chance.)

The best answer? I used to say Tulsi Gabbard, but she's been crossed off my list after her inexplicable (to me) comments supporting Israel in their methodical mass slaughter. (RFK Junior, also). I'd wholeheartedly endorse Colonel Douglas Macgregor as the best possible answer there might be... but he's not running.

The above post is an example of what I think may be a carefully presented argument. What's yours?

[Ewan]

neither Trump or Biden will be in WH in 2025!!


That is increasingly likely, for what reasons I cannot surmise other than too many of the real power brokers don't want either.
One has outlived his usefullness and the other is too much of a loose cannon?

[bojancan]

I find it simply amazing...many times, that Trump finds it so easy to find lawyers.. voters... employees... who do not seam to realize the long list of people who have suffered significantly for conducting themselves unethically... illegally and immorally at their own peril for Trumps personal gain..... not only in these latest years, but decades ago. This one from Legal Eagle!

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[Bluegreen]

I have one caveat to all of the above: I do NOT know (for sure) what Trump's stance is on Israel vs Palestine. I've not heard him making any statements condemning Israeli's genocide, but I may simply have missed those.

From CNN:

"Trump criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, lauded Hezbollah militants as 'very smart' and sought political gain from the attacks that killed 1,200 people by claiming that if the last election was not 'rigged', he’d be the American president and they’d never have happened.

The ex-president openly admitted a grievance against Netanyahu, complaining he had pulled out at the last minute from joining the US air attack that assassinated Iranian intelligence chief Qasem Soleimani in Iraq in 2020."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/donald-trump-israel-netanyahu-diplomacy/index.html

[thepainterdoug]

I feel the Israel Palestine issue is and will be a conundrum for all politicians DJT included. One way or another, going back in time to present, there will be pitfalls and hypocrisy . It cannot be framed within a simple context. Anyone who has friends on both sides understands this

[T Smith]

Trump may seem bad to you people but that's just because your don't know the whole truth about your beloved would be replacements.


I would add many who do not think Trump is the answer (and whether he is or not is not the point here) also do not know the whole truth about Trump himself. I would go so far to say their understanding of the man is a complete fabrication. And understandingly, because the groupthink strawman projection that informs their perceptions is among the most sophisticated propaganda psyop ever waged against the masses (Bernays is blushing in his grave), to which even the most discerning are susceptible.

I urge anyone inclined to embrace or who may be afflicted by the TDS groupthink program to read, and reread this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1589965&viewfull=1#post1589965), and then think about why you don't believe Trump is the answer.

[thepainterdoug]

Thank You T Smith.
Trump does a lot of things that dont get covered in the media. He is one of the most malaligned people in politics etc. I have been a guest at his Golf Course, where he is loved, is gracious, friendly to all. He wished me well and spoke to me on my birthday and we took a pic together with the s service all around us.He took the time for myself and everyone .My friend who invited me told me he was doing some kind of fund raising help for the Jan 6th defendants no one would ever know about. This is not publicized.

He is a tireless worker, does not drink or do coke like the Jack off pretend to be preseident in the fake white house set he occupies. Trump is respected all over the world.
Optics matter. My god, why anyone would need to have this explained to them is beyond me.
This is why he is a threat to the entire game.

[Bill Ryan]

Thank You T Smith.
Trump does a lot of things that dont get covered in the media. He is one of the most malaligned people in politics etc. I have been a guest at his Golf Course, where he is loved, is gracious, friendly to all. He wished me well and spoke to me on my birthday and we took a pic together with the s service all around us.He took the time for myself and everyone .My friend who invited me told me he was doing some kind of fund raising help for the Jan 6th defendants no one would ever know about. This is not publicized.

He is a tireless worker, does not drink or do coke like the Jack off pretend to be preseident in the fake white house set he occupies. Trump is respected all over the world.
Optics matter. My god, why anyone would need to have this explained to them is beyond me.
This is why he is a threat to the entire game.My Ecuadorian friend who worked for Trump for 10 years confirms all the above. (See my post #1422 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1589965&viewfull=1#post1589965) a few days ago.)

There's another story which was shared with us by Shannon, an Avalon moderator for several years, who lives in Queens (NYC). Apparently, quite near to where she lives, Trump's car broke down on the freeway. A friendly elderly couple immediately stopped to help. (They had no idea at all this was Trump, even after they rescued him. They were just being good citizens.)

When he got back home, Trump bought them a new car.

[pyrangello]

When sept 11th happened an ironworker who I know was working on site to help clean the debris , he was so exhausted after working all night he just layed down to take a nap on the steps of this building, after he was asleep a man woke him up and it was Trump, said what are you doing , he just said he was exhausted and didnt want to walk to find a room, Trump immediately put him up in his hotel at no cost. And yes he doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, he averages 5 hours sleep a night . And yes he donated his entire salary to charitable causes his entire time he was in office.

And unlike many other presidents, Trump also stayed at the white house for certain holidays so his secret service could spend time with their families, after the holidays he would head to Florida.

And finally the American legion had its 100th birthday while president trump was in office. He is the only American President to visit the legion on there birthday since it was started 100 years ago.

[Mike]

Pro Golfing legend John Daly speaks glowingly of his friend Trump, talks about the time spent golfing together, what kind of man he is, and how kind and caring he and his family are. Little over 8 mins long:

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[TargeT]

But, I do not understand.. when the crowds and trump's admirers also here in Avalon are cheering on his daily hateful, insulting and not respectful manner and acts!
It's OK Bill... I understand yourself well My native language is not English, so this your very little well-thought-out intelligent argument is like that! Let it be as you said! And I am not a TROLl! Period! Thank you!

Free speech includes things you do not want to hear.

hate, insults, and disrespectful acts are completely fine to be honest; actions matter. What actions do you disagree with?



"Trump criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, lauded Hezbollah militants as 'very smart'

Context really matters... this is completely taken out of context (https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-hezbollah-gaza-hamas-54a426c8) and is meant to cause the exact feeling you are experiencing; the way you worded your statement leads to a conclusion that is incorrect.

Please do not take anything at face value, personal research and context seeking is very very important.

[thepainterdoug]

Bill and all . We all have to remember that just because I or someone else has a good story about Trump, doesnt mean its a 100% endorsement . We all have people that find fault with each of us for whatever reason, bad timing, bad day and misunderstanding. Many try to find fault with anyone famous that slips up in the least

My friend ,a member at the club tells me he always says hello, works all the way thru golf, with aids and assistants riding with him , signing things etc, then eats in a lunchroom in the club house with anyone and everyone.

it is the most relaxed, friendly easy going place you can imagine. Totally contrary to what the MSM media machine wants you to believe.

Trump is super human in many eyes and I can really understand this now.

[TargeT]

Trump is super human in many eyes and I can really understand this now.

Sounds like a very unhealthy workaholic, I've known a few; they get things done but at a cost to themselves usually.

They can tend to be hyper focused and shut out certain things (for efficiency reasons, which works at times and doesn't at other times..).

[pyrangello]

I use to have a very good friend of mine years ago who was my corporate attorney, he was from Belgium and extremely intelligent. I asked him one time what do you do for entertainment and he told me he and others got together once a week to discuss world religions. Another buddy of mine who is extremely successful reads 3 newspapers every morning , never watches the television, and consumes at least 1 bottle of wine a night just to fall asleep.

My good friend who is a Catholic priest told me the pope is so busy he has scheduled meetings even in the hallways as he is walking from one meeting to another.

I was a campaign manager for an independent guy who was running for Congress years ago, we had this tech savy kid who was 18 years old and he said to me one time. The best candidate is the one you never agree with all the time.

I have always said that every time you here Trump say something bold or outlandish , your only hearing a rebuttal to something that happened behind the scenes that the MSM would never let you here to begin with. It is formatted so it makes him look ridiculous because they control the film footage. Every time I have ever heard Trump say something off the wall, I think to myself what did they say or do to him to generate that comment.

Always keep in mind what the late Vince foster said about d.c. "BEING IN D.C. , RUINING PEOPLES CAREERS IS CONSIDERED SPORT"

[bojancan]

I argued with one American living out side of US and asked him, what happened to Trump's healthcare plan... Four years in office and nothing. ZERO! He kept saying it was coming. Same with balancing the budget and infrastructure week... Nothing! ZERO! I asked what a positive things Trump did for Americans... yes tax-free for corporations...He said low gas prices.. and cheaper groceries. That wasn't a Trump plan. That was OPEC.... I see Trump in very bad light... a pathological liar and grifter. Bad!


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[bojancan]

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[jaybee]

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Yeah....

and

Let's not forget he had TWO SCOOPS of ice cream with his chocolate pie -
when everyone else..... EVERYONE ELSE had one.... can you believe it?

one (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-two-icecream-scoops-guests-get-one-time-magazine-diet-coke-thousand-island-dressing-a7732101.html) of many many MANY sources -



it has emerged that the President has two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie while everyone else at the table has just one.

Time magazine has gained great insight into President Trump’s dining preferences after he invited three of their reporters for a tour of his home and office followed by a four-course dinner in the Blue Room – the oval-shaped parlour on the first floor of the White House.

They found that the waiters know President Trump’s personal preferences well. The President is bestowed with a Diet Coke while other diners are stuck with water.

What’s more, Mr Trump appears to be served “Thousand Island dressing” instead of the “creamy vinaigrette for his guests”. The former reality TV star is also given an “extra dish of sauce” to accompany his chicken.

AND bestowed with diet coke .......... AND Thousand Island Dressing.........AND an extra dish of sauce -

For the love of God and all that is holy - it beggars belief... :shocked:

There are rumours that one guest treated to a four course meal had the temerity to ask for an extra scoop of ice cream 'like the President' and they were banished from the table.... then marched out of the White House at gun point - obviously we know who gave the orders for THAT... *


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A Tale of Two Scoops: A Revealing Look at CNN's Bias Through Ice Cream


* this bit might not be true... :suspicious:

[bojancan]

Isn't MAGA Charlie Kirk loosing over Taylor Swift?? For those MAGA and Trump .. Taylor Swift is ugly... Charlie Kirk gives the master class in projection.... Well well.. Kyle's best roast ... :)

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[DNA]

Isn't MAGA Charlie Kirk loosing over Taylor Swift?? For those MAGA and Trump .. Taylor Swift is ugly... Charlie Kirk gives the master class in projection.... Well well.. Kyle's best roast ... :)

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What blows me away is that you think you are thinking for your self.
You only think your opinion is your own but really what you know what you think you know has been written, discussed, processed , peer reviewed, audience tested and then massively fired down your throat with constant repetition.

Did you know Obama participated in multiple homosexual relationships through his church?
I won't even get into how those same men were all killed in the two months leading up to his receiving the democratic nomination to run for President.

Did you know George Bush Jr was a homosexual in college and upon graduating his parents put him in a intensive pray the gay away church retreat?
Upon completion of that he was married?

My point here is how controlled the media is.
And how through rhetoric or omission is constantly lying.

So much so that if you find yourself on the side of the media narrative you are most assuredly living and supporting a lie.

[bojancan]

Trump is super human? Ja? So many years back I was younger, we already red about all Trump stuff, were not good ones for a super human... once again, I am not pro Biden.. not into all lame information in MSM.. and so passionately believing into this pretender and pathological liar?... NOT... he is NOT the answer!

At least 26 women accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct, including assault, since the 1970s.

A deluge of women made their accusations public following the October 2016 publication of the "Access Hollywood" tape, in which Trump was heard boasting about grabbing women's genitals in 2005. Some of Trump's accusers made their stories public months before the tape's release, and still others came forward in the months following.

Trump has broadly dismissed the allegations, which include harassment, groping, and rape, as "fabricated" and politically motivated accounts pushed by the media and his political opponents. In 2016, he promised to sue all of his accusers. In some cases, Trump and his lawyers have suggested he couldn't have engaged in the alleged behavior with certain women because he wasn't physically attracted to them.

"Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign," the Republican presidential nominee said during a 2016 rally. "Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over.”

The president said these "false allegations" against him were made by "women who got paid a lot of money to make up stories about me." And then alleged that the "mainstream media" refused to report evidence that the accusations were made up.

Trump has not yet made good on his promise to sue any of the women — although two women have sued him – and the White House says that Trump's election proves the American people don't consider the allegations disqualifying.

"The people of this country, at a decisive election, supported President Trump, and we feel like these allegations have been answered through that process," then-White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters in December 2017, after several of the president's accusers appeared on national television to rehash their allegations.

But despite Trump's denials, 50% of voters — 59% of women and 41% of men — surveyed in a December 2017 Quinnipiac poll think the president should resign as a result of the sexual misconduct allegations against him. Several Democratic lawmakers have previously called on Trump to resign over the accusations.

One accuser, Samantha Holvey, who spoke out in 2016 about her experience with Trump as a Miss USA pageant contestant, said in 2017 that while Trump's election was painful, she and others see the #MeToo movement as an opportunity to "try round two."

"We're private citizens, and for us to put ourselves out there to try and show America who this man is and especially how he views women, and for them to say 'meh, we don't care' — it hurts," Holvey said on NBC News' "Megyn Kelly Today" in December 2017. "And so now it's just like, all right, let's try round two. The environment's different. Let's try again."

In May 2023, a Manhattan jury found Trump liable for the sexual abuse of E. Jean Caroll in 1996, in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room, and found that he defamed her when he denied it. The jury did not find that Trump had raped Carroll, as detailed in her testimony.

Here are all of the allegations — in chronological order — made by 26 named women:

Allegations:

Jessica Leeds told the New York Times in October 2016 that Trump reached his hand up her skirt and groped her while seated next to her on a flight in the late 1970s.

"He was like an octopus. His hands were everywhere," Leeds said, adding that she fled to the back of the plane.

During an interview on NBC News' "Megyn Kelly Today" in December, Leeds added that she was at a gala in New York three years after the incident on the plane when she ran into Trump, who recognized her and called her a c---.

"He called me the worst name ever," she said. "It was shocking. It was like a bucket of cold water being thrown over me.”

Trump's response:

Trump denied the allegations and during a rally in October 2016, suggested that Leeds wasn't attractive enough for him to assault.

"People that are willing to say, 'Oh, I was with Donald Trump in 1980, I was sitting with him on an airplane, and he went after me,'" Trump said. "Believe me, she would not be my first choice.”



In a 1990 divorce deposition, Trump's first wife and the mother of his three eldest children Ivana Trump accused her then-husband of raping her in a fit of rage in 1989.

Ivana said Trump attacked her after he underwent a painful "scalp reduction" procedure done by a doctor she had recommended, tearing her clothes and yanking out a chunk of her hair.

"Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than 16 months. Ivana is terrified … It is a violent assault," Harry Hurt III, who obtained a copy of the deposition, wrote in a 1993 book about Trump. "According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, 'he raped me.'"

Ivana later slightly altered her allegation, saying that while she felt "violated" on that occasion, she hadn't accused Trump of raping her "in a literal or criminal sense."

"[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage," Ivana wrote in a 1993 statement. "As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a 'rape,' but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense."

Ivana is mother to Donald Jr., Eric, and Ivanka Trump.

Trump's response:

Trump called Hurt's description of Ivana's allegation "obviously false" in 1993, according to Newsday. Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, argued in 2015 that his client could not have raped Ivana because "you cannot rape your spouse."

"There's very clear case law," he said.

Cohen later recanted, saying his comment was "inarticulate.”

More about 26 Women… here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

[bojancan]

DJT should be penalized... for collecting money to be used for one purpose... but applying it elsewhere.... There should be some kind of ruling that prohibits this.

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[TargeT]

More about 26 Women… here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12



Funny how these acusations only come out when they could damage someone's public perspective right before it's important.....

That alone makes me think of this as art
https://x.com/Culture_Crit/status/1736380787686068346?s=20



DJT should be penalized... for collecting money to be used for one purpose... but applying it elsewhere.... There should be some kind of ruling that prohibits this.


Don't hate the player?

There should be some kind of law prohibiting that, and anyone in government investing, and so much more.... but there isn't (currently).

[DNA]

Bojan

Do you like critical race theory?
Do you like having pronouns forced on you?
Do you like gender dysphoria? Puberty blockers?
Do you like climate change government sanctions killing economic growth in the West while China and India get to take full advantage and take over all production of manufacturing?

Do you like forced vaccinations?

Do you like full term babies being aborted all in the name of feminism and women's rights?

Did you ever wonder how and why so many countries fell into line with all of this at exactly the same time?

It's Globalism. The further centralization of Global power systematically being appropriated regardless of the wants, needs and or desires of the citizenry.

Are you a fan of forced immigration proposed for changing demographics?

The third world Muslim jihadists flooding into western countries ?

I speak the truth.

Your concerns are misplaced.
Satanic pedophiles orchestrate globalism.
Or rather satanic pedophile, ritual baby sacrificing genocidal depopulation self proclaimed philanthrophists orchestrate globalism.

And in the other corner you have Donald Trump pushing Nationalism who is occasionally guilty of a mean tweet and a little misogyny.

It's either Trump or the Globalists buddy.
There is no other choice.

I choose Donald Trump with a little misogyny thank you. :)

[thepainterdoug]

DNA/ Thanks. totally agreed. Most people who have followed me here would believe I am the biggest most one sided Trump Lover. To be honest, prior to his election win, I knew very little about him, never followed him and didn't really care one way or the other.

I was a so call Liberal democrat ! , even voting for Obama, after we had our awful fill of GW BUSH, the second worse president in my lifetime behind the NO 1 clown shuffling around in the fake office now. And to say that, that anyone is worse than Bush? is quite a statement from me.

you see, I am anti war. Wars are fabricated and the fabricators never fight or die in them. Its the average everyday citizen that does as they make millions in contracts and behind the scene deals. Nothing more despicable.

So when DJTrump won, I was like, hey Im open to it !! , lets see, not carrying any pre programmed hate into my opinion .

So, he works for free, No started wars !!! , he goes out and makes connections to Kim Jung, Putin, Chi and so on, gave us energy independence , a closed or guarded border, no fetynal , child trafficking, etc, lowered prescription drug costs for seniors and much more, this had me say hey!! this is a good start.

We need a tough captain, and once we right this ship, the constitution upheld again, the rule of law , the law agencies returned to an even hand for everyone, the courts to a sense of justice, then I will look at it. In the meantime, Ill weather some boo hoo bad insensitive comments from him.

And If any lib, anti Trump biden supporter doesn't save and offer a room or space in their yard for some of the thousands a day Illegals crossing the border into this country then shut up, and then wake up.

Ok, back to Trump derangement syndrome

[bojancan]

I see Trump as opportunist... I am not globalist, for 50 years very into truth circles... in EU and where I am living now.. I am nearly 80, but hijacking truth movement as Trump is doing is very evident here in this moments of ours... into our faces. He was all his life friends with all those people on the left, criminals as Roy Cohn, Epstein, Murdochs, Maxwells, Clintons etc... we know him, because of Ivana, first wife. Followed his deeds and behaviour through his unethical life.. I do not respect this man, nor believe in anything he stand for... he is just there, where he is now, for himself... only for himself. He is a Pretender at large! As his wife Melania...
Crazy people becoming more crazy with this kind of opportunists and this con man! Here is great assessment of the ultimate CON man !!!


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[thepainterdoug]

BOJANCAN

Have a good holiday.
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[Pris]

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Do you like full term babies being aborted all in the name of feminism and women's rights?

The globalists certainly want it to appear that way (they actually hate women and motherhood). I think you got part of the real reason here:


Satanic pedophiles....
....satanic pedophile, ritual baby sacrificing genocidal depopulation self proclaimed philanthrophists....

Plus this: Big Pharma and the cosmetics industry use the baby parts (e.g. stem cell research etc.) and so does the food industry for things like growing, essentially, 'artificial tongues' to 'taste food' and oh, so much more...

Globalists are a group of perverse, psychopathic democidal death cult cannibals... They project everything they are onto others knowing they will hook a few useful idiots along the way who are willing to play their game. I mean, how else would you describe them.



I choose Donald Trump with a little misogyny thank you. :)

Quite. And, I'd suggest that Trump's so-called misogyny is highly overrated by precisely the same people I just described. I mean, they won't even let you be a normal guy in this world. They want males to chop off their twig and berries, wave rainbow flags, and kneel at the altar of Baphomet. Seriously.

[Mike]

I actually agree with the thread title: I don't think Trump is THE answer.

But I think he is A answer (among many).

It's vitally important he be our next president. But that's only step one out of like a thousand that must follow.

The radical left have been operating under our noses for years now. There's lots of catch-up to do. I never thought I'd be saying this, but conservatives have to become activists.

If winning on the issues were the only thing that mattered, we could all sit on our hands and sleep easy. But the radical left are dishonest actors and control most of our media. And - crucially - their foot soldiers are very, very active, infiltrating school boards, human resource departments, and even things like affinity groups!

Conservatives have to do the same. Trump can't do it on his own. Conservatives and heterodox people in general (which is what I consider myself to be) have to be just as dedicated and zealous as the left...marching in the streets, getting involved with local government, showing up at school board meetings, financially supporting those that support our values and cutting ties with those who don't, and so forth.

[TargeT]

I actually agree with the thread title: I don't think Trump is THE answer.

But I think he is A answer (among many).

I think we can all agree that situations, previously used social movements, almost everything has exacerbated to a level that is almost obvious.

Why would this not be true for "the lesser of two evils" that has plagued the US election system for as long as I can remember.


I duno, are things different now or has the context just slightly changed so that we think it is (just like every generation seems to have done that I have looked into)?

[Mike]

I actually agree with the thread title: I don't think Trump is THE answer.

But I think he is A answer (among many).

I think we can all agree that situations, previously used social movements, almost everything has exacerbated to a level that is almost obvious.

Why would this not be true for "the lesser of two evils" that has plagued the US election system for as long as I can remember.


I duno, are things different now or has the context just slightly changed so that we think it is (just like every generation seems to have done that I have looked into)?

Hey TargeT, did your A.I. program write this?:)

Can you rephrase a little? I wanna make sure I know exactly what you mean before I reply.

[TargeT]

I actually agree with the thread title: I don't think Trump is THE answer.

But I think he is A answer (among many).

I think we can all agree that situations, previously used social movements, almost everything has exacerbated to a level that is almost obvious.

Why would this not be true for "the lesser of two evils" that has plagued the US election system for as long as I can remember.


I duno, are things different now or has the context just slightly changed so that we think it is (just like every generation seems to have done that I have looked into)?

Hey TargeT, did your A.I. program write this?:)

Can you rephrase a little? I wanna make sure I know exactly what you mean before I reply.

Not sure I can currently< i ge4t an iron infusion tomorrow, I'll be more clear then


err, in a few hours I guess... haha insomnia is wild

[bojancan]

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas exposes Donald Trump’s latest deranged attack on the New York judge Arthur Engoron, who Trump and his minions continue to defame.

A politician has the right to lie... they say!!!!

That may be true... but, a defendant does not... This happening should be flagged for use later on.. because during election season, anyone who isn't totally MAGA infected... yes, infected... who likes to think, that they still have a shred of fairness and decency, would have to acknowledge, how terrible this is, even for Trump!


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[TargeT]

Can you rephrase a little? I wanna make sure I know exactly what you mean before I reply.

I dunno, "everything old is new" seems to be happening again, we are yet again at some very contrived pivotal moment (but perhaps a bit more escalated than before). Just like the Road the El Darado, The man who Would be king, Pocahontas, Star-gate and Avatar all seem to be different movies, but are actually point for plot point exactly the same with just the context changed.

I'm getting heavy "Ron Paul" vibes, in the backing and hype as well as the complete lack of any meaningful change.

maybe that's better articulated?

[bojancan]

George is very conservative.... but I love the way he goes after Drumpf... his appearance insightfully delicious his analysis of Drumpf...:clapping:


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[Mike]

Can you rephrase a little? I wanna make sure I know exactly what you mean before I reply.

I dunno, "everything old is new" seems to be happening again, we are yet again at some very contrived pivotal moment (but perhaps a bit more escalated than before). Just like the Road the El Darado, The man who Would be king, Pocahontas, Star-gate and Avatar all seem to be different movies, but are actually point for plot point exactly the same with just the context changed.

I'm getting heavy "Ron Paul" vibes, in the backing and hype as well as the complete lack of any meaningful change.

maybe that's better articulated?


Oh yeah for sure. You've articulated it perfectly.

Interesting you'd say that. I'm listening to a video that explains quite a bit of that phenomenon to my satisfaction.

We're being exposed to the same tricks, just dressed up a little differently each time. The ultimate goal, seems to me, is some kind of Neo-Marxist takeover...a one world communist state. I'm gonna start a thread on it to really flesh it out.

P.S. I can't believe I've still never seen any of those movies:)

[TargeT]

P.S. I can't believe I've still never seen any of those movies:)

You didn't spend 13 years in Alaska trying to find a way to avoid bars like I did.. haha the joy of life is that we all have vastly different experiential difference, in my mind; that's the entire purpose of consciousness.

[Vangelo]

My closest friend, a Muslim immigrant from Algeria, told me today that he misses Trump and is going to vote for him in 2024. He also thinks his wife (who is also a Muslim immigrant from Algeria) and some of his kids (they were all born here in the US) will as well. They did not vote for Trump in 2016 because they thought he was a racist etc. He said he now realized it was all BS... I was shocked.

[bojancan]

I'm with Cohen... I just don't understand, what his supporters see!!! I just see the Man... con man... Trump!

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Kinzinger hit Trump where it really hurts... right in his ego... But MAGA's people are painting pictures of Trump as a beautiful handsome hero... so fake!
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[DNA]

DNA/ Thanks. totally agreed. Most people who have followed me here would believe I am the biggest most one sided Trump Lover. To be honest, prior to his election win, I knew very little about him, never followed him and didn't really care one way or the other.

I was a so call Liberal democrat ! , even voting for Obama, after we had our awful fill of GW BUSH, the second worse president in my lifetime behind the NO 1 clown shuffling around in the fake office now. And to say that, that anyone is worse than Bush? is quite a statement from me.

you see, I am anti war. Wars are fabricated and the fabricators never fight or die in them. Its the average everyday citizen that does as they make millions in contracts and behind the scene deals. Nothing more despicable.

So when DJTrump won, I was like, hey Im open to it !! , lets see, not carrying any pre programmed hate into my opinion .

So, he works for free, No started wars !!! , he goes out and makes connections to Kim Jung, Putin, Chi and so on, gave us energy independence , a closed or guarded border, no fetynal , child trafficking, etc, lowered prescription drug costs for seniors and much more, this had me say hey!! this is a good start.

We need a tough captain, and once we right this ship, the constitution upheld again, the rule of law , the law agencies returned to an even hand for everyone, the courts to a sense of justice, then I will look at it. In the meantime, Ill weather some boo hoo bad insensitive comments from him.

And If any lib, anti Trump biden supporter doesn't save and offer a room or space in their yard for some of the thousands a day Illegals crossing the border into this country then shut up, and then wake up.

Ok, back to Trump derangement syndrome

Doug it's as if we followed the same path to our present situation.

I too voted for Obama the first time around.
And I felt like the biggest sucker when he reneged on all of his campaign promises.
Quantamino, The Patriot Act? The Natinal Defense Act.
Overturning the Smith/Mundt Act which legalized Government sponsored propaganda to be used on American citizens.
The wars.
Libya.
The creation of Isis as a proxy army to do the dirty deeds he didn't want to dirty his hands with.
The drones raining bombs on people all across the middle east.

Trump did none of these things.
He started no wars and tried to end the ones we were in.

Any way yeah, I hate war as well.

Trump He had his AG arrest Epstien.
He just underestimated the deep state.

Yeah I'm with you bro.

[Pris]

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DNA/ Thanks. totally agreed. Most people who have followed me here would believe I am the biggest most one sided Trump Lover. To be honest, prior to his election win, I knew very little about him, never followed him and didn't really care one way or the other.

I was a so call Liberal democrat ! , even voting for Obama, after we had our awful fill of GW BUSH, the second worse president in my lifetime behind the NO 1 clown shuffling around in the fake office now. And to say that, that anyone is worse than Bush? is quite a statement from me.

you see, I am anti war. Wars are fabricated and the fabricators never fight or die in them. Its the average everyday citizen that does as they make millions in contracts and behind the scene deals. Nothing more despicable.

So when DJTrump won, I was like, hey Im open to it !! , lets see, not carrying any pre programmed hate into my opinion .

So, he works for free, No started wars !!! , he goes out and makes connections to Kim Jung, Putin, Chi and so on, gave us energy independence , a closed or guarded border, no fetynal , child trafficking, etc, lowered prescription drug costs for seniors and much more, this had me say hey!! this is a good start.

We need a tough captain, and once we right this ship, the constitution upheld again, the rule of law , the law agencies returned to an even hand for everyone, the courts to a sense of justice, then I will look at it. In the meantime, Ill weather some boo hoo bad insensitive comments from him.

And If any lib, anti Trump biden supporter doesn't save and offer a room or space in their yard for some of the thousands a day Illegals crossing the border into this country then shut up, and then wake up.

Ok, back to Trump derangement syndrome

Doug it's as if we followed the same path to our present situation.

I too voted for Obama the first time around.
And I felt like the biggest sucker when he reneged on all of his campaign promises.
Quantamino, The Patriot Act? The Natinal Defense Act.
Overturning the Smith/Mundt Act which legalized Government sponsored propaganda to be used on American citizens.
The wars.
Libya.
The creation of Isis as a proxy army to do the dirty deeds he didn't want to dirty his hands with.
The drones raining bombs on people all across the middle east.

Trump did none of these things.
He started no wars and tried to end the ones we were in.

Any way yeah, I hate war as well.

Trump He had his AG arrest Epstien.
He just underestimated the deep state.

Yeah I'm with you bro.


I can't imagine a better way for Trump to have exposed the globalist criminal syndicate (the uniparty, corrupted institutions, corrupted judicial system etc.) to the still sleeping, brainwashed population (victims of decades of Deep State psychological warfare) than to appear to have 'underestimated' the Deep State in order to deliberately put the enemy into the spotlight.

People need to be shown the globalist agenda unfold in a very obvious manner to wake them up because Trump needs the people WITH him in order to take the country (and the world) back. There's no question to me that Trump has the very best military intelligence backing him up helping to determine all possible chess moves in advance. This war started long before 2016 when Trump took office and this war has continued with Trump at the helm fighting the globalists even since the Big Steal. I think the Big Steal played a necessary part in exposing the criminals.

[bojancan]

Don't worry Donald... it's not just you... we're all having trouble keeping track of all your cases!!!!

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Gorka gives off some powerfully creepy vibes.... He's the sort of guy, who keeps a closet full of skeletons, many of them actual skeletons....

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[DNA]

Don't worry Donald... it's not just you... we're all having trouble keeping track of all your cases!!!!

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Gorka gives off some powerfully creepy vibes.... He's the sort of guy, who keeps a closet full of skeletons, many of them actual skeletons....

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Bojan

You claim not to support the globalists.
Right?
But you cheerlead the Soros controlled district attorneys who continue making things up to prosecute Trump with.

I alluded earlier the dangers of globalism.
You claimed to not be a Globalist.
But you cheer on all the globalist inspired initiatives.

Everytime you quote the media, you quote the Deep State.
The Deep State being a tool of the globalists.

You may be in denial but your actions indicate you are a globalist.

[bojancan]

“It was miraculous... It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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[gini]

I tried to watch the movie of the last post,because im sincerely interested in the dark side of Trump,(wich he has for sure!)but the way its edited and the overdramatic music make it for me very hard to watch & understand whats its precisely about(and its clearly done deliberately so that you must keep watching to find out what is so scandalous exactly about the golfproject story)

The movie starts already cheap with smart edited impressions of Trump getting ready for an interview,basically making him into a caricature ,putting him in any possible way in a bad light,before making clear what it was what he actually did that was so horrible.Thats a no no for me since thats not trying to show the truth,but to manipulate the viewer to feel disgust; pity, seems to be just another propaganda hitpiece ..

[DNA]

“It was miraculous... It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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I'm at a loss for words.

The USA is literally falling apart at warp speed
There is an open southern Border with millions of non-vetted people flooding across.
The current administration has at last count misplaced some 80,000 children.
But by misplace we really mean shuffled them into human trafficking.

Where is your outrage there?
No outrage for pedophiles?

There is only one movement combating globalism.
Make America Great Again didn't and doesn't mean America is better than anyone.
America first doesn't mean the USA is competing for some global award.
It means the citizens would do well to demand the well being and good fortune of their own country before being deceived through false pretense and propaganda to allow sacrifice that would supposedly benefit the rest of the world at the citizens expense.

It's a movement all citizens of every country need to get behind.
We want every country on the planet to have citizens that have a voice and can demand the best for their country for their people.

Right now Globalists are trying to remove free speech from the citizens of the world?
Australia and Great Britain are getting their asses kicked.
So many former posters don't post in here anymore.
They are afraid.
And rightly so.
Canada is losing rights as we speak.

You would do well to voice your decent about what is happening to your own country rather than try and vilify the number one candidate interested in fighting what is happening.

Bojan....
Come suckle at the teet of father Trump.
There is enough freedom to go around.

For if America falls to the Globalists no one will be left standing.
Except maybe Russia.
But if we go down you assholes in Canada are going down for sure

[thepainterdoug]

DNA So well said and Bravo!! What in gods name are people thinking ? In fact, it almost makes me think this person posting here you mention is just trying to illicit this very response .

The sovereignty of the USA, its constitution, its rights and rule of law are what makes this country great. Why the EFF IS everyone crashing this party? Why are they not leaving in droves ? Is it Perfect? ? well hell no! people aren't aligned perfectly on anything !

But Trumps USA and I believe Putin, are fighting this globalization which is the worst aspects of any kind of government rule.

Should anyone be confused? ,the WEF ,and all their material is plain for the eye to study and see. Read their plans for us. You would have to be an idiot to think that they themselves, the rulers themselves will live by any of this. And whats most striking is there isn't any love. No love from them for mankind. They hate mankind and want it eliminated.

Look at the countries who have ruled with a communist socialist hand and have left a track record of their system. Watch the film The Killing Fields when Pol Pot gets control of Cambodia and removes peoples souls and wills thru brutal torture fear and murder.

Trump derangement syndrome is a perfect term. A perfectly coined term for something resulting from an experiment of how easy it is to brainwash a body of people. You can no sooner say or infer Trump, his name, the color red, anything nearly associated with him without insane rage being loaded in the gun barrel of fools and idiots who one sentence into their position, get lost in what they are even saying.

I could understand if Trump was running as an unknown, and didn't already have a track record to look back at. But we have one, and even still it was thwarted and undermined by the deep s**t state who want their cookies from fomenting war and division . WTF!

And on a side note, what a joke that JFK Jr for the 3rd time requesting cannot get secret service protection, as 15 thousand illegals a day enter this country being handed 5000$ per person and a cell phone.

and Trump isnt the answer? Who is?

[T Smith]

“It was miraculous... It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

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I'm 45 minutes into this documentary... and am not sure if I can make it through to the end. To echo gini's comments above, I wanted to learn what the dispute was all about and how horrible the Trump organization is. Like any propaganda production, however, I've learned nothing really substantial about the dispute, let alone how horrible the Trump organization is, save for the overtly contrived perspectives of those the Trump organization supposedly wronged. A little more subtly would go a long way to persuade. But instead of a balanced investigation of what happened--or even a basic layout of the facts (putting aside an objective explanation of why there is still no resolution) the first 45 minutes of this documentary, if we can call it that, are filled with saccharine music and the character development of the neighbors, to whom the construction of Trump's golf course supposedly wronged. Setting aside the opinions these particular neighbors have of DJT personally, or of his proposed policy to build a wall on the southern boarder of the United States (how hate filled!), the viewer learns nothing substantial about the dispute, save for the neighbors' heart-wrenching stories and subjective perspectives of the facts. Moreover, the character development the filmmaker painstakingly spoon-feeds the viewer, ironically, suggests these neighbors may not have a full understanding of the facts.

This film did nothing but frustrate. I'm not suggesting the Trump Organization did not wrong the indigent neighbors (as the propaganda piece suggests), but at the end of the day I just don't know. Forty five minutes in, it's apparent the film has no intention of providing an honest answer. Its objective isn't to unveil the truth, but to manipulate the viewer's opinion of the candidate running for President of the United States.

Perhaps when I have more time I'll try to wade through the rest of this documentary to see if any of its shortcomings are addressed in the second half of the film. Until then, I'll chalk this one up to the typical TDS drivel we the wary are already being shovel-fed 24/7.

[Vangelo]

...

Where is your outrage there?
...

I second that question!

In case folks are unaware, here is something to watch...

Part 1: THE FALL OF THE CABAL: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT [2020]

BITCHUTE (https://www.bitchute.com/video/MYHTpUW9KAXQ/)
UGEtube (https://ugetube.com/watch/the-fall-of-the-cabal-parts-1-10-a-janet-ossebaard-documentary_sglfolhlfagxvkb.html?lang=german)

Part 2: Sequel to THE FALL OF THE CABAL: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT [~2022]

RUMBLE (https://rumble.com/v1ljlpt-the-fall-of-the-cabal-season-ii-full-documentary.html)

Every video in one place:

Stop World Control Website (https://stopworldcontrol.com/cabal/)

Here is a listing of the subjects covered in the videos and short descriptions...
PART 1: THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO 'HMMMM...'
Beginning the search for the truth, left & right in politics, Wikileaks, the inauguration of Donald J. Trump, and the birth of the Q-phenomenon…

PART 2: DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE
About the Q-phenomenon, the battle for world dominance, shadow governments, the 1%, the power of the banks, the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, and George Soros…

PART 3: THE ALIEN INVASION
About the migrant caravan, George Soros, NAMBLA, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the destabilization of the world, the importance of “United we stand, divided we fall”. About the role of President Trump, his achievements, Fake News, human trafficking, the wall, and child trafficking for the elite…

PART 4: CHILD 'LOVERS' EVERYWHERE
Child trafficking, paedophile logos used by child protection agencies, adoption agencies, in Disney cartoons & movies, in Hollywood, in business and in politics. Haiti as child trafficking island, the role of the Clintons and Trudeau…

PART 5: CHILDREN, ART & PIZZA
About the sexualization of children and the normalization of paedophilia, child seks trafficking for the elite. About Pizza Restaurant Comet Ping Pong and its owner James Alefantis, his background and familyline (Rothchild), his close friendship with the Obamas, the Clintons, David Brock, John and Tony Podesta. The artwork they buy and exhibit portraying naked, abused and murdered children. About the Pizzagate scandal, the Podesta e-mails, the encoded meaning of the pizza-related jargon, and the shocking secret behind Comet Ping Pong. About Cognitive Dissonance and the psychology of denial…

PART 6: MAJOR MEDIA MANIPULATION
The torture swimming pool of Gloria Vanderbilt, her son CNN-reporter Anderson Cooper. About fake news, media manipulation & propaganda, the CIA, Project Mockingbird, whistle blower Udo Ulfkotte, the illusion of choice in media land, major sponsors of Hillary Clinton & the Democratic Party. About the dangers of censorship, Media Matters for America, Correct the Record, Facebook, Google & YouTube, Snopes. About Avaaz and the use of Controlled Opposition…

PART 7: WITCHES & WARLOCKS
About Marina Abramovic, Spirit Cooking, the Brazilian healer John of God, 8 cases of alleged suicides by hanging from a doorknob (Dolores Zorreguieta, L’Wren Scott, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tim Bergling (Avicii), Annabelle Neilson, Aaron Swartz, Kate Spade, Anthony Bourdain), the wrath of Hillary Clinton. About worshipping the devil, normalizing cannibalism, the Church of Satan, statues of Moloch. About the Dutch royal family, the Nazi connection, Operation Paperclip, Bariloche, the Bilderberg Group…

PART 8: BEYOND KINGS & QUEENS
About the hunting parties of the European royal families & the elite, Pizzagate, Adrenochrome, survivor accounts, the English royal family, their connection with Jeffrey Epstein, the naked boy trying to escape from Buckinham Palace, the ITCCS, Kevin Annett, 50,000 murdered Canadian children, the evidence, the sacrifice of children throughout the ages, the tradition of the red shoes. About Anthony Weiner’s laptop, his Life Insurance file, blackmail, and the murder of those who speak up…

PART 9: THE DAWN OF A NEW WORLD
About the Q-phenomenon, the Q-Anons, the Yellow Vests, the uprise & revolution of the people, the help of Q, the identity of Q and the Truth Movement. About the hints and clues by president Trump, NXIVM, the Bronfman sisters, the Dalai Lama, Frank Giustra. About red-pilling the people, draining the swamp, Hillary Clinton’s e-mail server(s), the mysterious soccer ball at Helsinki & president Putin, Barron Trump. About the stepping down of 80,000 CEOs, the assassination attempts on president Trump, about the real Russian Collusion, the Uranium One scandal, the Rosatom Deal, bribary, corruption, money laundering, pay-to-play. About Clinton’s & Obama’s high treason, the infiltration by the Muslim Brotherhood, the execution of John McCabe, the encoded flag on his coffin & Osama Bin Laden…

PART 10: THE RETURN OF THE KING


SEQUEL: To The Fall Of The Cabal
In this series the cabal is fully exposed. Crime, murder, money laundering, cartels, high treason, all of which under your nose…

PART 1: THE BIRTH OF THE CABAL
We’re taking you back into history, all the way to the origins of the Cabal. Let’s start in Sumer (modern-day Iraq), where the oldest civilization on earth started. By following two major migrations (to the West and to the North), we’ll meet the Khazars and the Ashkenazi, and we’ll discover the roots of the Rothschild family. This episode takes you to the turbulent era of the Crusades, the Knights Templar, their hunger for world dominance and their link to Secret Societies, the Jesuit Order and the Freemasons. Were these really separate groups? Let’s find out in this very first episode!

PART 2: THE IDEOLOGY OF WAR
Meet 18th century Adam Weishaupt and Amschel Rothschild, the founders of the Order of the Illuminati in southern Germany. Let ancient documents show you the true ideology of the Cabal, their infiltration of Masonic Lodges, and their Secret Alliances. Their taste for Revenge… taking shape as the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars and WW1 (and many more wars, as we will see in future episodes). Behold the Cabal’s Ultimate Tool to obtain Power, Money and Control: WAR. The empire of the Cabal grows and grows….

PART 3: WORLD WIDE WRATH
The Khazarian Cabal wanted Revenge on Russia, the country that had expelled them. The Russian Revolution was their ultimate wrath: revenge in the Jesuit way… Every leader of every war was a Jesuit puppet, groomed and pushed forward by the Elite. Not just Napoleon, not just Lenin, but also Hitler, ‘leader’ of WW2. Who was he, really? And what happened between WW1 and WW2? How was WW2 even possible? Find out about the Jesuit Nazi SS and the Jesuit organized birth of Israel, long before WW2 even started. While the world was on fire, the Cabal’s power kept growing exponentially...

PART 4: THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION
Hoax or Truth? Anti-Semitic or not? Let’s find out through ancient documents, revealing the true identity of the Protocols and its author(s). They show us a future so chilling, so evil, this episode will send shivers down your spine. Their old words combined with everyday pictures will shock you to the core. Do we have time left before they reach their final goal: absolute world dominance and a One World Government, a New World Order in which their King – ‘the King of Kings’ – will be crowned on the throne of Zion (Jerusalem) to rule the world forever more?

PART 5: THE CABAL’S EVIL ENGINE: THE UNITED NATIONS
From the Georgia Guidestones – summarizing the Protocols of Zion in stone! – to the main engine of the Cabal: the United Nations. Set up at the very end of WW2 with one goal alone: to create a One World Government in order to usurp and suppress. Their Blue Helmets and ‘Peace Corps’ leave trails of abuse and destruction. Surrounded by scandals, yet untouchable by Law. Agenda 21, agenda 2030, the Global Sustainability Goals. Do you want evidence for such brutal claims? Then go ahead and watch Part 5...

PART 6: POPULATION CONTROL AT ITS WORST
Meet Henry Kissinger, the man who adapted the ancient Protocols of Zion to the 20th and 21st centuries and who advised US presidents and governments on how to steal precious minerals and fossil fuels from the African Continent and how to roll out and execute Population Control. Let’s have a closer look at the UN and their financial support of China’s one child policy, their forced abortions and sterilization of millions of women worldwide, the trauma and bloodshed they left behind. We’ll expose the Population Control NGOs assisting the UN in their aim to cut down on the world population in heinous ways… One of them is Planned Parenthood with its Eugenist Nazi ideology.

PART 7: PHILANTHROPY OR MONEY LAUNDERING?
In this episode, we’ll dive into some of the (over 5,500!) NGOs (non governmental organizations) that have been set up solely to execute the UN’s evil goals. These so-called philanthropic institutions are tax-exempt. They do not need to disclose their donors. They move billions of dollars, from mother to sister company, to yet another subsidiary, without any legal control or obstruction whatsoever in this massive money laundering scheme. Let’s examine what ‘philanthropy’ truly means...

PART 8: THE GATES FOUNDATION VACCINATION SCANDALS
Meet the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation: one of the most influential NGOs of the 21st century. On the outside a benign philanthropic foundation… but on the inside one of the darkest Cabal tools imaginable. We’ll expose their complicity in vaccination experiments on innocent people across the world. We’ll show you the devastating results: children crippled, sterilized, mutilated for the rest of their lives. Human guinea pigs used to see how many would die as a result of the venom shot into their veins. All of BMGF’s programs were/are fully supported by the UN, the WHO, and UNICEF. Are you still considering donating money to any of these foundations? You won’t… after seeing this episode!

PART 9: THE GATES FOUNDATION GENETIC MODIFICATION OF LIFE
Bill Gates’ super fetish for GMOs is further revealed in this episode. From super-chickens to kill-switch mosquitoes. Released on the population of Less Developed Countries, they caused havoc... as always when Gates presents a new idea. Big Pharma companies like Hendrix Genetics and Oxitec, plus the University of Wageningen (NL) and the US Army Medical Research & Development Command made a pact with the Devil and created a whole new variety of biological warfare options. Let’s explore… in Part 9!

PART 10: THE GATES FOUNDATION SELLING CHILDREN ON THE INTERNET
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s investments in Big Pharma companies and some of the worst polluters in the world (like Bayer/Monsanto) are overshadowed by their interest in companies that sell products on-line. We’ll show you Gates’ involvement in pedophilia and child trafficking, his close friendship with convicted child-abuser Epstein, his visits to Epstein-Island, and his massive financial support of webshops that sell Adrenochrome and items that refer to missing children through strange codes. Mister Nice turns out not to be so nice after all...

PART 11: THE GATES FOUNDATION EXPLOIT & DESTRUCT
Bill Gates and his foundation invest in some of the most criticized companies in the world for involvement in human rights abuses, labour abuses, environmental abuses, tax avoidance, and the amount of carbon held in their reserves. Everything he does goes against his own preaches about sustainability and the human carbon footprint. GAVI, the WHO, UNICEF, the World Bank, AGRA… evil players steered by the Gates Foundation in order to exploit the people and to depopulate the planet. Time to expose and to redefine Philanthropy!

PART 12: THE GATES FOUNDATION FAKE MEAT & EXTINCTION TECHNOLOGY
More biological warfare in this episode! A frightening cooperation between the Gates Foundation and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) to deploy Gene Drive Technology, better known as Extinction Technology. A means to make entire species or races go extinct. Used in vaccines and now… to mimic meat! Let’s introduce Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods and their delicious alternatives for vegetarians and vegans: ever so tempting until you find out what’s really in it. This episode shows you what it’s like to play God...

PART 13: THE GATES FOUNDATION GETTING RICHER AND RICHER AND RICHER...
Bill Gates uses laws and regulations to avoid tax. His foundation launders money at a scale the world has not seen before. How is it possible that he presents himself as the world’s greatest philanthropist, giving away billions of dollars each year, yet ending up getting richer and richer and richer? Did you know that in the end, it’s We-The-Taxpayers, that pay for all his projects? Do you realise that in fact we pay for our own depopulation?
Let’s see how Gates pulls it off, shall we?

PART 14: DEPOPULATION EXTINCTION TOOLS
The New World Order’s main focus is complete world dominance. Population control, better known as Depopulation, is the UN’s tool to annihilate the majority of the masses, so that no more than 500 million people are left on the face of the earth. A neat number, easy to control, dominate and subjugate. How are we, the people, being attacked in the name of population control? By means of 10 different Extinction Tools. Let’s take a look at the first 4: wars, (natural?) disasters, famine & drought, and plagues & diseases…

PART 15: DEPOPULATION EXTINCTION TOOLS 5-7
Let’s explore some more Extinction Tools! Number 5 on our list: Additives in food, water, beauty, care & cleaning products. You’ll be shocked to see that by design, purposefully, our food and water have been poisoned with substances that cause cancer, infertility, and that destroy our nervous system. Think aspartame, fluoride, xeno-oestrogens, heavy metals, magnetic particles… Number 6 on our list: GMOs, notorious for causing cancer and destroying ecosystems. And number 7 on our list: Family Planning. Abortion, gender confusion (LGBTQIA+) and teaching sex to children at the age of 5, all supported and financed by the UN…

PART 16: DEPOPULATION - EXTINCTION TOOLS 8-9
Extinction tool number 8 on our list: Chemtrails. After years of denial and ridicule, finally admitted to exist by our governments. Heavy metals are raining down on us, our bodies store them in our brains where they cause havoc. Number 9 on our list: Electrosmog. Every day we are bombarded with the invisible electromagnetic radiation from the use of wireless technology and mains electricity. Plus the ever increasing 5G… do you dare to find out what electrosmog actually does to your body and mind? Then get ready for some chilling facts in part 16!

PART 17: DEPOPULATION - EXTINCTION TOOL 10
Last but not least: Extinction tool number 10 on our list: Vaccinations. One of our most chilling episodes about the dangers of vaccinations. Not based on theories or beliefs, but on rock hard scientific facts. We promise you, once you’ve seen this episode, once you know what ingredients are in those shots, you’ll never take another jab in your life! This part 17 has been called by thousands of viewers world-wide “a life saviour”…

PART 18: COVID-19 - THE GREATEST LIE EVER TOLD
Covid-19 and 5G: the ultimate Cabal weapons of mass destruction. However, did you know that the SARS-CoV2 virus has never been isolated and thus never proven to exist? According to the scientific facts, Covid-19 is just another flu. So how come the entire world shut down? What was so different this time, compared with other flu seasons? It sure weren’t the number of casualties! Even the CDC and the WHO have admitted that more people died of the 2018 flu than of this one. So what happened? Everything was premeditated, maybe that’s the saddest and scariest thing of all. Let’s take a look at the role of the MSM, of Bill Gates and the WHO, and see why this one got so out of hand…

PART 18: COVID-19 - THE MIDAZOLAM MURDERS
The Covid Scam started with social distancing and face masks. Based on scientific fraud, people were led to believe the horrific predictions of incompetent advisors to the government. Millions of people were to die if we didn’t obey! And so… the people obeyed. Families were torn apart, societies were split. Everything that gave joy – singing, dancing, hugging, laughing – was prohibited. Instead, fear ruled the planet and turned it into a dark place. Midazolam and morphine was used to purposefully euthanise many thousands of elderly people in care homes. Hold on to your seat as we prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our world leaders arranged all of this during the lockdowns, so nobody would notice. Hard to believe? Then follow us… to part 19!

PART 20: COVID-19 - FACE MASKS, SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND MUCH MORE...
Part 3 of multiple episodes about the biggest medical scam of all times.

PART 21: COVID-19 - THE UNTOLD TRUTH ABOUT NOSE SWABS

PART 22: COVID-19 - MONEY AND MURDER IN THE HOSPITALS

PART 23: COVID-19 - WHISTLEBLOWERS ABOUT HOSPITAL MURDERS

PART 24: COVID-19 - MANDATORY VACCINATIONS? TIME FOR ACTION!

PART 25: COVID-19 - TORTURE PROGRAM

PART 26: COVID-19 - WRAPPING UP GENOCIDE

[T Smith]

It's a movement all citizens of every country need to get behind.
We want every country on the planet to have citizens that have a voice and can demand the best for their country for their people.



You mean to say, you want the citizens of each country to govern themselves? To have some say over their lives? To be free? How radical!

I couldn't say it any better DNA, but for those under the beguiling spell of globalism (you know who you are), let me translate:

The globalist agenda has somehow tricked some of us into believing country and sovereignty are bad words. Which is to say freedom and liberty are bad words.

Simply put, globalism is system of anti-freedom and slavery. Putting aside for a moment its anti-human ideology, driven by the underlying agenda of depopulation and democide, at it's core globalism is a system where people are livestock and have no voice.

It's as simple as that folks. This isn't hard to understand.

If that's the kind of world we all want to live in, by all means, let's keep cheerleading for branding irons and chains.

[TargeT]

“It was miraculous... It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

That's one hell of a quote, I haven't seen someone mentally masturbate with that much vigor in a long time.


seems to be just another propaganda hitpiece ..

Hard to find anything that isn't extremely biased now as we get more and more divided.



if America falls to the Globalists

Do you mean openly, or back in the 70's (or was it 1913)?

[DNA]

Target

Although what you said has merit, it can always get worse.
Covid and the Vax that kills was worse.
Is worse.
Martial law, social credit system that determines your capability for buying and selling goods, detention camps, re-education camps, the destruction of the food supply and supply chains, the end of free speech are all coming.
Not to mention civil war and or world War.

So yes it can get much worse than paying taxes and or having a federal reserve.
We are on the precipice.
Einstein's prediction about not knowing how WW3 would be fought but he knew how WW4 would be fought.
Yes that is what we are looking at.

[Pris]

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“It was miraculous... It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9RweR9EUSg

I'm at a loss for words.

The USA is literally falling apart at warp speed
There is an open southern Border with millions of non-vetted people flooding across.
The current administration has at last count misplaced some 80,000 children.
But by misplace we really mean shuffled them into human trafficking.

Where is your outrage there?
No outrage for pedophiles?

There is only one movement combating globalism.
Make America Great Again didn't and doesn't mean America is better than anyone.
America first doesn't mean the USA is competing for some global award.
It means the citizens would do well to demand the well being and good fortune of their own country before being deceived through false pretense and propaganda to allow sacrifice that would supposedly benefit the rest of the world at the citizens expense.

It's a movement all citizens of every country need to get behind.
We want every country on the planet to have citizens that have a voice and can demand the best for their country for their people.

Right now Globalists are trying to remove free speech from the citizens of the world?
Australia and Great Britain are getting their asses kicked.
So many former posters don't post in here anymore.
They are afraid.
And rightly so.
Canada is losing rights as we speak.

You would do well to voice your decent about what is happening to your own country rather than try and vilify the number one candidate interested in fighting what is happening.

Bojan....
Come suckle at the teet of father Trump.
There is enough freedom to go around.

For if America falls to the Globalists no one will be left standing.
Except maybe Russia.
But if we go down you assholes in Canada are going down for sure


Dark subject... VERY well said. And, that's why this (bolded) had me ROFLMAO! I couldn't agree more.
Yes, the USA is pivotal in this world war against the globalists. You guys down there are literally our LAST STAND, the world's last hope. If you fall, the world falls. Yes, we all need to be together in this, side by side with you, doing our part from our respective countries.
:usa2::canada:


This is an excellent sign to me -- check out this video from Russia:

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For those who don't know, Putin took out the bio-weapons labs in Ukraine and is in the process of taking down the globalist nazis that took over that country quite awhile back (head of the snake).

Russia doing well is a sign to me that there really is some kind of 'white hat' worldwide effort going on that includes many countries and their leaders coordinating together who ALL want to take down the globalists. And, guess who's the Commander in Chief of this operation? We are always being SHOWN. If we pay attention, we can figure it out.



Body language is everything.
Look how Trump pulls Putin towards him.

https://media.giphy.com/media/fCU05e4DfVTdZj2qBx/giphy.gif



Side by side...
Respect.
Putin hands Trump the ball.

The Ball Is In Your Court

52438




Here's Trump during his inauguration on January 20, 2017, flanked by the military -- specifically, Military Intelligence and Judge Advocate Generals -- something not ever seen before. They came up behind him and stood at attention at exactly the point when Trump said this in his speech:

"Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington D.C. and giving it back to you, the People."

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HoV0riyG-jk/maxresdefault.jpg

Link to entire post with a sh!teload of excellent eye-opening material:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1567229&viewfull=1#post1567229



Assuming bojancan isn't just sh!tting us... It's a fact that people still -- TO THIS DAY! -- don't recognize the globalist enemy in all its forms ALL AROUND US -- constantly attacking us all -- and that these globalists are throwing everything they've got at Trump! It's unbelievable to me how successful this monstrous globalist psyop has been against the people of the world!





Meantime, to those who are in the process of waking up...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3NsuRsXMAAkI3M?format=png&name=small



https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/144/666/091/original/26c09be53c218a60.jpeg

[bojancan]

During President Donald Trump's term, the national debt increased significantly. Before the pandemic, the debt had risen by almost *$7.8 trillion**, which is nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards, and other types of debt other than mortgages. This increase amounts to about **$23,500* in new federal debt for every person in the country.
The growth in the annual deficit under Trump ranks as the third-biggest increase, relative to the size of the economy, of any U.S. presidential administration. The federal debt held by the public went up from *$14.4 trillion* to *$21.6 trillion**². By the end of fiscal year 2020, the debt was **$26.9 trillion**, and Trump added **$6.7 trillion* to the debt between fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2020.

Trump is a con man, liar, pretender, sexual predator, grifter etc... I do not respect him... nor having trust, he is a good businessman.. I am not supporter of Biden, but what are facts are facts... I am not a globalist too... have dual citizenship of Canada and my beautiful Slovenia, living half year here and there... I am just smiling at you Trumpeters... not angry at you at all.. I am too old, to be bothered with your love and about your perception of Cesar... let it be! Wishing you all well, and Happy New Year!

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Trump was scared that Julian would expose him as well... the professional con man -Trump will pander whoever is in front of him.... it's two year old video...

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[thepainterdoug]

Bojocan/ A Happy New Year to you.

I asked you several times and will do so again. Who is the answer? Who out of the candidates available? Not Ghandi, not Buddah, Jesus is busy as well.

Who will take on this job, the enormus corruption and out of control justice department

Who? an honest answer ?

Then some of us can know what wisdom you have to offer?

[Pris]

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if America falls to the Globalists

Do you mean openly, or back in the 70's (or was it 1913)?


1871 was definitely pivotal.

In the first video, Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes talks about the significance of 1871. Start video at 18:25


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I think this is one of Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes' best interviews. This focuses on the stolen 2020 presidential election, the results of it being stolen from Trump, and how this is waking up the population to take their country back (this 'operation' includes many other countries around the world where the people of those countries are simultaneously taking their countries back also).

Dr. Halper-Hayes keeps a level head and maintains the position that events are unfolding in a series of calculated moves and that the ongoing results/reactions we are witnessing in this populist war against the globalists are very positive and show great progress. She says letting go of expectations and having patience is so important to remain positive while pushing forward. It's good to realize that this war started centuries ago and taking something down that's so entrenched within governments and societies around the world requires time. That said, it's incredible how quickly the globalists are being exposed and systematically taken down now considering how long they've had their NWO agenda in place.


SGT Report: "Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes is here with the goods about the stolen election, the Deep State, and how to take our nation back."


DR. JAN HALPER-HAYES: TREASON DOCUMENTED!

https://rumble.com/v42xtae-dr.-jan-halper-hayes-treason-documented.html

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I also think the following presentation is excellent and shares insightful information. It's good to see the exchange between Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes and Derek Johnson (their focus is always around Trump).


DR JAN HALPER-HAYES: WHERE WE ARE NOW w/ MICHAEL JACO & DEREK JOHNSON!

https://rumble.com/v432b74-dr-jan-halper-hayes-where-we-are-now-w-michael-jaco-and-derek-johnson.html

v40gy9s



Link to original post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120906-Trump-The-World-s-Greatest-Troll&p=1593093&viewfull=1#post1593093

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BMJ kindly added to this subject review today, the Organic Act of 1871. :thumbsup:



This may have been posted before but this video fits well with Dr Jans thoughts and it starts with the Act of 1871, go to about 8 minute mark. It also supports Derrick's work.

The Greatest Show on Earth (2023)

v3ebrz4

Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120854-Derek-Johnson-says-Trump-could-still-be-the-legal-US-President&p=1593271&viewfull=1#post1593271

[TargeT]

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if America falls to the Globalists

Do you mean openly, or back in the 70's (or was it 1913)?


1871 was definitely pivotal.

Ahh, so this IS NOT NEW (15 (speculation) failed empires that we know of, (https://chat.openai.com/share/661e87b0-3f1f-475b-8564-be8b860c26e0) and they have a specific short term failure recently... Hmm

Why/What do we think it is?

(that should be important)

ChatGPT didn't want to agree with me, but eventually I got this:


The longest-lasting modern empire dependent on fiat currency is the British Empire, with the British pound sterling being the oldest fiat currency in existence. The pound sterling was created in 1694 and has been in continuous use since then, making it over 325 years old. This duration is notable considering that the average life of a fiat currency is about 35 years.

The British pound's longevity as a fiat currency is exceptional, as many fiat currencies have experienced hyperinflation and collapse within a much shorter timeframe. Its continued use and stability over such an extended period make it a unique case in the history of fiat currencies.

For more detailed information, you can refer to the sources from the Gini Foundation and Vanessa Benedict.
User
when did the pound sterlin become fiat
ChatGPT

The British pound sterling became a fiat currency in the early 20th century. The process started in 1914 at the outbreak of World War I, when the gold standard was temporarily suspended. This suspension meant that the pound sterling was no longer convertible into a fixed amount of gold.

Before this period, the value of the pound was based on its gold content, a characteristic of commodity-based money. The transition to a fiat system, where the currency's value is not based on a physical commodity, became more pronounced after the war, especially with the economic challenges of the post-war period.

The final severance of the pound from gold occurred in 1931, during the Great Depression, when the UK permanently abandoned the gold standard. Since then, the pound sterling has been a fiat currency, meaning its value is not backed by a physical commodity like gold but is instead backed by the economy and government of the United Kingdom.

Well then, I guess that Fiat currency has a pretty distinct timeline; it also sounds like the Brits extended their life a bit through hegemony. (as has the US)

[bojancan]

We have to calling out also Donald Trump on this... he had Lindsey at his rally, at Mara Lago ... I want to hear Trump’s response too... it's just a LITTLE differences he has with little Lindsey... This little guy is insane!!! Republicans and MAGAs people... sorry! But it is INSANE!!!!

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[bojancan]

In Slovenia, Melania Knaus was not respectful young girl... she has only secondary design school... but was lying everywhere, that she has architecture degree from University of Slovenia... she was never known model in Europe too... but of course, she was known only in the circles of girls, who are in business of nude modelling, traveling around in the circles of rich men.. Slovenia know her very well!!! :ROFL:

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[T Smith]

We have to calling out also Donald Trump on this... he had Lindsey at his rally, at Mara Lago ... I want to hear Trump’s response too... it's just a LITTLE differences he has with little Lindsey... This little guy is insane!!! Republicans and MAGAs people... sorry! But it is INSANE!!!!

qJfwWPG6N7Y

bojancan, how does this video have anything to do with Trump? If I'm understanding the implication of your post correctly, you ideologically oppose Lindsey Graham and his neo-con politics. Ironically, this indicates to me your own politics align closer than not to DJT and the MAGA movement. Are you aware of this? Given all your previous posts, however, this is very perplexing to me. I'm truly having a hard time reconciling the implication here, other than understanding it as a extreme example of cognitive dissonance.

This post alone tells me you truly do not understand Donald Trump and his politics.

[Pris]

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bojancan, how does this video have anything to do with Trump? If I'm understanding the implication of your post correctly, you ideologically oppose Lindsey Graham and his neo-con politics. Ironically, this indicates to me your own politics align closer than not to DJT and the MAGA movement. Are you aware of this? Given all your previous posts, however, this is very perplexing to me. I'm truly having a hard time reconciling the implication here, other than understanding it as a extreme example of cognitive dissonance.

This post alone tells me you truly do not understand Donald Trump and his politics.


The translator may be mucking it up. But, yes. He seems to not know the difference between republicans (mostly rinos, Uniparty) and the new MAGA republicans. He also seems to think I get my news from Fox News and I had to tell him it's controlled opposition which is why I ignore it. Assuming he's sincere, it's clear he hasn't much of a clue of what's going on.

[mountain_jim]

Maybe he's Gracy back for a return engagement :)

[Pris]

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Who the heck is Gracy? :)

[DNA]

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Who the heck is Gracy? :)

Well
Grace was a Trump hating moderator for the forum from like 2019-2022.
But she/he posted since like 2015 or so.
As it turns out one of the regular posters on Avalon told grace he thought grace was a fake account.
He thought grace was a sock puppet account for someone or some org to confront Trump sympathizers at every turn which is what grace did.
Gracy was anti-maga.
Man did that Avalon poster get made fun of and ridiculed for that.

But one day another member of the forum a friend of the poster calling Gracy out called him on the phone.
Told him he was right and that Grace was actually Fred Steeves.

So this all came out in the wash that Fred was cat fishing Avalon under a girl's name to bust the balls of Trump supporters.

You can find Fred on the one truth forum, still fishing for Trump supporters.
It was all quite dramatic actually.

[Pris]

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Who the heck is Gracy? :)

Well
Grace was a Trump hating moderator for the forum from like 2019-2022.
But she/he posted since like 2015 or so.
As it turns out one of the regular posters on Avalon told grace he thought grace was a fake account.
He thought grace was a sock puppet account for someone or some org to confront Trump sympathizers at every turn which is what grace did.
Gracy was anti-maga.
Man did that Avalon poster get made fun of and ridiculed for that.

But one day another member of the forum a friend of the poster calling Gracy out called him on the phone.
Told him he was right and that Grace was actually Fred Steeves.

So this all came out in the wash that Fred was cat fishing Avalon under a girl's name to bust the balls of Trump supporters.

You can find Fred on the one truth forum, still fishing for Trump supporters.
It was all quite dramatic actually.


Holy moly. :shocked: Glad I missed that. It's bad enough as it is. ;p

The One Truth Forum? Awhile back, I caused an exodus of maybe a couple hundred people. That got me banned. :thumb:

[DNA]

Holy moly. :shocked: Glad I missed that. It's bad enough as it is. ;p

The One Truth Forum? Awhile back, I caused an exodus of maybe a couple hundred people. That got me banned. :thumb:

I know I was part of it.
I'm the one who took us to imaginative worlds after mental floss gave us the boot.
:)
It was a short lived little thing but kind of cool.

[Pris]

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Holy moly. :shocked: Glad I missed that. It's bad enough as it is. ;p

The One Truth Forum? Awhile back, I caused an exodus of maybe a couple hundred people. That got me banned. :thumb:

I know I was part of it.
I'm the one who took us to imaginative worlds after mental floss gave us the boot.
:)
It was a short lived little thing but kind of cool.


That's right! :) Yes, I think there was some kind of subversive social experiment/study going on. Then, Imaginative Worlds showed its true colors... And, I ended up in the Mists of Avalon until that went south. Crazy times.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

So this all came out in the wash that Fred was cat fishing Avalon under a girl's name to bust the balls of Trump supporters.


It's been almost two years since one the most shocking moments in Avalon history. I'm still getting over it...

Gracy has left the forum (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117484-Gracy-has-left-the-forum&highlight=gracy)


:jaw::jaw::jaw:

[mountain_jim]

Thanks DNA for explaining my post. :)

Has The One Truth forum ever come around to the awareness that the COVID jabs were bad?

Because I checked that forum out when Gracy/Fred was exposed and I was shocked at how trusting/mind-controlled(?) they were there relative to the dangers of the jabs, insulting Avalon members about our views about this, as well as other anti-woke views (as I recall).

[ExomatrixTV]

Cross-posting this because it is, in my view, super relevant!




I am not a troll, because I do not respect this man... some persons here, says, I am trolling... Well, the problem is that you keep on banging the same loud and one-note drum over and over and OVER and OVER again on as many threads as you can. We all know you don't like Trump. We got that a long time ago.

A troll is often someone who just keeps on posting the same thing repeatedly... it's like a kind of spam. No-one wants, likes, or appreciates that.

Your strategic mistake is that readers will just skip your posts and pay no attention to you any more. That's just not smart, even if your intentions are good.

And many of your posts (as I wrote to you a couple of weeks ago) are not well-argued, and just look like trivial, opinionated comments on Twitter, Facebook or YouTube. Avalon discussion is (usually!) much more mature than that.

:focus:

Just for the record, the: "Trump is not the answer (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1594014&viewfull=1#post1594014)" Project Avalon Forum Thread does not represent all 13,265+ Avalonians (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=50) ... and the framing of that Forum Thread has most likely a bias assumption that people suppose to think one guy is the "answer" to solve "all issues/problems/injustices" etc. etc. if you see parts of Trump (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342) you can appreciate him having.

Maybe @bojancan (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23908-bojancan) assumes many Avalonians (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/memberlist.php?order=desc&sort=posts&pp=50) agree with the posts posted on that forum thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer) and felt encouraged to spread that type of sentiment all over the place!

When people truly hate or severely dislike a person's mannerism/attitude/way of talking etc. etc. it seems "all is allowed" to have an excuse not to be fair, not to be vigilant critical in how something is framed, (blindly) trusting/believing the repeated & talking points 24/7 that serve only tunnel vision narratives just like how the title of the forum thread was made. And this behavior is mirrored by many others who do the same, and if enough act like that it will appear "normal" to do so.


Nobody can be "the answer" to everything, not even RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-Jr.-will-run-for-President-in-2024)

And how group think tribalism works is that you're not supposed to see the unfiltered unedited version of what good somebody has accomplished/done and how it was wrongfully framed with so many lies in the Neo-Lob & Neo-Con mass media it is not funny anymore.

Anyone can become an "expert" showing only the bad, and that can be partly correct ... but to have a true honest representation of anyone "bad" without: innuendo, conjecture, tons of assumptions, "hear say", repeating corrupt "fact-checkers" narratives like AP/Reuters etc. etc. is SUPER RARE nowadays.

Let's say we can make a list of the "good & bad (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342)" of all important key-people that is 100% honest representation of the accused ... You still have to be aware that there is a relationship HOW we all deal with that in an uplifting way or not. You can decide to support parts of someone's mission without endorsing everything he or she stands for. >>> Unless it is so super obvious that somebody is totally compromised to a degree that you decide to ignore that person, ESPECIALLY when that person is pushed by 1000s of different mainstream media outlets: (radio, tv, magazines, newspapers, big sites).

And all of this is not easy to oversee >> unless you spend a long time studying all sides in an honest way, which is exactly the point I made in the beginning if people "truly hate or severely dislike a person" it seems "all is allowed" to demonize that person even if it is not done fairly ... because "WHO CARES" >> your mind is already made up, right?

For example, I genuinely extremely dislike Biden on almost all levels, not because somebody told me to feel that way ... not because I am "convinced" through what others told me Biden is ... and when I see good things done by the Biden Administration I will not deny that nor will I claim "everything must be evil" ... but you still can see the bigger picture how the vast majority are fooled on almost all sides serving: Dystopian Technocratic WEF (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) Agenda2030 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111148-The-Great-Reset) & NetZero2050 (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?115447-Climate-Lockdowns-are-Coming--Agenda2030--Predicted-by-Conspiracy-Researchers-) aka unelected "Global Governance (https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1Gb0000000LHN2EAO)". At this point, RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-Jr.-will-run-for-President-in-2024) & Trump (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342) are the ones who get the most attacks coming from Neo-Lib & Neo-Con Mainstream Media who serve different globalist (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118748-Top-10-Creepiest-Most-Dystopian-Things-Pushed-By-The-World-Economic-Forum) masters.

And if both of them find a way to fight The Deep State Globalists Effectively that would be really great, especially if RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-Jr.-will-run-for-President-in-2024) "keeping them honest" (them = all who are picked by Trump (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342) to work with his "Trump Team (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342)") together they might have a chance to have true impact on so many levels in our society ... Even some Democrat congressman/senators (secretly) admires RFK Jr. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120744-Robert-F.-Kennedy-Jr.-will-run-for-President-in-2024) and chose to help him too later on.

Evil does not give a shİt ... for them, it is all done to "get results" no matter "how it is done" ... they love to use "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" believing whitewashed lies (https://johnkuhles.substack.com/p/whitewashed-lies) because they tend to have a form of "creativity & authenticity" (purity of heart) they lack ... To sell a big fat LIE on a massive scale, you need genuine "good people (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120761-The-nature-of-evil-in-the-modern-world&p=1548367&viewfull=1#post1548367)" believing the sold lies for it work ... And I think ALL big giant PR firms knows that too! (Who are very sophisticated propaganda experts/specialists aka "perception managers" giving NLP type (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=neuro%20linguistic%20programming) "media-training" how (corrupt) politicians become better "spin-doctors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(propaganda))").


I really wish everybody took the time to study guaranteed life-changing book: "The Psychology of Totalitarianism (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119992-The-Psychology-of-Totalitarianism)" written by, in my view a humble person named: Prof. Dr. Mattias Desmet (https://rumble.com/search/all?q=Mattias%20Desmet) from Belgium 🇧🇪 speaking fluent English 🇬🇧, French 🇫🇷, German 🇩🇪 & Dutch 🇳🇱 ... It not only addresses the mass hypnotizing mechanisms perfectly, it also comes with practical solutions and answers to many deep questions!



In short: We Need A Different Kind of Unity Against NWO (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?163-The-New-World-Order) Tyranny!

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/v1/user/27474914.f5b631e7.160x160o.f6c78faaf102@2x.png (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles)

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) aka 'ExomatrixTV' 🦜🦋🌳
January 4th, 2023

* source (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?107734-Jeffrey-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-the-whole-story-so-far&p=1593994&viewfull=1#post1593994)

[bojancan]

John, I completely understand your point of view... as you expressed yourself above..

Regarding those of them, who are extremely sensitive of videos I added here and of my perception of Trump... I have the same one of Biden too.. so many times I repeat that... but some of here just sense that I hate Trump... no... I am not hateful person.. nor, I have my eyes closed so tight, that I do not see around! Just want to get the truth on both sides.. I am not apologizing myself to anyone..

I already found that years back, that both side, no matter who are on pedestal in WH are completely dishonest and corrupt. The same coin...!!!

It has always amazed me... how, the supposed moral Christian right, can follow a man blindly, who is as amoral as Donald Trump.. and as Biden!
With that in mind, I said enough. Thank you!

[ExomatrixTV]

...

Where is your outrage there?
...

I second that question!

In case folks are unaware, here is something to watch...

Part 1: THE FALL OF THE CABAL: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT [2020]

BITCHUTE (https://www.bitchute.com/video/MYHTpUW9KAXQ/)
UGEtube (https://ugetube.com/watch/the-fall-of-the-cabal-parts-1-10-a-janet-ossebaard-documentary_sglfolhlfagxvkb.html?lang=german)

Part 2: Sequel to THE FALL OF THE CABAL: THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT [~2022]

RUMBLE (https://rumble.com/v1ljlpt-the-fall-of-the-cabal-season-ii-full-documentary.html)

Every video in one place:

Stop World Control Website (https://stopworldcontrol.com/cabal/)

Here is a listing of the subjects covered in the videos and short descriptions...
PART 1: THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO 'HMMMM...'
Beginning the search for the truth, left & right in politics, Wikileaks, the inauguration of Donald J. Trump, and the birth of the Q-phenomenon…

PART 2: DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE
About the Q-phenomenon, the battle for world dominance, shadow governments, the 1%, the power of the banks, the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, and George Soros…

PART 3: THE ALIEN INVASION
About the migrant caravan, George Soros, NAMBLA, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the destabilization of the world, the importance of “United we stand, divided we fall”. About the role of President Trump, his achievements, Fake News, human trafficking, the wall, and child trafficking for the elite…

PART 4: CHILD 'LOVERS' EVERYWHERE
Child trafficking, paedophile logos used by child protection agencies, adoption agencies, in Disney cartoons & movies, in Hollywood, in business and in politics. Haiti as child trafficking island, the role of the Clintons and Trudeau…

PART 5: CHILDREN, ART & PIZZA
About the sexualization of children and the normalization of paedophilia, child seks trafficking for the elite. About Pizza Restaurant Comet Ping Pong and its owner James Alefantis, his background and familyline (Rothchild), his close friendship with the Obamas, the Clintons, David Brock, John and Tony Podesta. The artwork they buy and exhibit portraying naked, abused and murdered children. About the Pizzagate scandal, the Podesta e-mails, the encoded meaning of the pizza-related jargon, and the shocking secret behind Comet Ping Pong. About Cognitive Dissonance and the psychology of denial…

PART 6: MAJOR MEDIA MANIPULATION
The torture swimming pool of Gloria Vanderbilt, her son CNN-reporter Anderson Cooper. About fake news, media manipulation & propaganda, the CIA, Project Mockingbird, whistle blower Udo Ulfkotte, the illusion of choice in media land, major sponsors of Hillary Clinton & the Democratic Party. About the dangers of censorship, Media Matters for America, Correct the Record, Facebook, Google & YouTube, Snopes. About Avaaz and the use of Controlled Opposition…

PART 7: WITCHES & WARLOCKS
About Marina Abramovic, Spirit Cooking, the Brazilian healer John of God, 8 cases of alleged suicides by hanging from a doorknob (Dolores Zorreguieta, L’Wren Scott, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Tim Bergling (Avicii), Annabelle Neilson, Aaron Swartz, Kate Spade, Anthony Bourdain), the wrath of Hillary Clinton. About worshipping the devil, normalizing cannibalism, the Church of Satan, statues of Moloch. About the Dutch royal family, the Nazi connection, Operation Paperclip, Bariloche, the Bilderberg Group…

PART 8: BEYOND KINGS & QUEENS
About the hunting parties of the European royal families & the elite, Pizzagate, Adrenochrome, survivor accounts, the English royal family, their connection with Jeffrey Epstein, the naked boy trying to escape from Buckinham Palace, the ITCCS, Kevin Annett, 50,000 murdered Canadian children, the evidence, the sacrifice of children throughout the ages, the tradition of the red shoes. About Anthony Weiner’s laptop, his Life Insurance file, blackmail, and the murder of those who speak up…

PART 9: THE DAWN OF A NEW WORLD
About the Q-phenomenon, the Q-Anons, the Yellow Vests, the uprise & revolution of the people, the help of Q, the identity of Q and the Truth Movement. About the hints and clues by president Trump, NXIVM, the Bronfman sisters, the Dalai Lama, Frank Giustra. About red-pilling the people, draining the swamp, Hillary Clinton’s e-mail server(s), the mysterious soccer ball at Helsinki & president Putin, Barron Trump. About the stepping down of 80,000 CEOs, the assassination attempts on president Trump, about the real Russian Collusion, the Uranium One scandal, the Rosatom Deal, bribary, corruption, money laundering, pay-to-play. About Clinton’s & Obama’s high treason, the infiltration by the Muslim Brotherhood, the execution of John McCabe, the encoded flag on his coffin & Osama Bin Laden…

PART 10: THE RETURN OF THE KING


SEQUEL: To The Fall Of The Cabal
In this series the cabal is fully exposed. Crime, murder, money laundering, cartels, high treason, all of which under your nose…

PART 1: THE BIRTH OF THE CABAL
We’re taking you back into history, all the way to the origins of the Cabal. Let’s start in Sumer (modern-day Iraq), where the oldest civilization on earth started. By following two major migrations (to the West and to the North), we’ll meet the Khazars and the Ashkenazi, and we’ll discover the roots of the Rothschild family. This episode takes you to the turbulent era of the Crusades, the Knights Templar, their hunger for world dominance and their link to Secret Societies, the Jesuit Order and the Freemasons. Were these really separate groups? Let’s find out in this very first episode!

PART 2: THE IDEOLOGY OF WAR
Meet 18th century Adam Weishaupt and Amschel Rothschild, the founders of the Order of the Illuminati in southern Germany. Let ancient documents show you the true ideology of the Cabal, their infiltration of Masonic Lodges, and their Secret Alliances. Their taste for Revenge… taking shape as the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars and WW1 (and many more wars, as we will see in future episodes). Behold the Cabal’s Ultimate Tool to obtain Power, Money and Control: WAR. The empire of the Cabal grows and grows….

PART 3: WORLD WIDE WRATH
The Khazarian Cabal wanted Revenge on Russia, the country that had expelled them. The Russian Revolution was their ultimate wrath: revenge in the Jesuit way… Every leader of every war was a Jesuit puppet, groomed and pushed forward by the Elite. Not just Napoleon, not just Lenin, but also Hitler, ‘leader’ of WW2. Who was he, really? And what happened between WW1 and WW2? How was WW2 even possible? Find out about the Jesuit Nazi SS and the Jesuit organized birth of Israel, long before WW2 even started. While the world was on fire, the Cabal’s power kept growing exponentially...

PART 4: THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION
Hoax or Truth? Anti-Semitic or not? Let’s find out through ancient documents, revealing the true identity of the Protocols and its author(s). They show us a future so chilling, so evil, this episode will send shivers down your spine. Their old words combined with everyday pictures will shock you to the core. Do we have time left before they reach their final goal: absolute world dominance and a One World Government, a New World Order in which their King – ‘the King of Kings’ – will be crowned on the throne of Zion (Jerusalem) to rule the world forever more?

PART 5: THE CABAL’S EVIL ENGINE: THE UNITED NATIONS
From the Georgia Guidestones – summarizing the Protocols of Zion in stone! – to the main engine of the Cabal: the United Nations. Set up at the very end of WW2 with one goal alone: to create a One World Government in order to usurp and suppress. Their Blue Helmets and ‘Peace Corps’ leave trails of abuse and destruction. Surrounded by scandals, yet untouchable by Law. Agenda 21, agenda 2030, the Global Sustainability Goals. Do you want evidence for such brutal claims? Then go ahead and watch Part 5...

PART 6: POPULATION CONTROL AT ITS WORST
Meet Henry Kissinger, the man who adapted the ancient Protocols of Zion to the 20th and 21st centuries and who advised US presidents and governments on how to steal precious minerals and fossil fuels from the African Continent and how to roll out and execute Population Control. Let’s have a closer look at the UN and their financial support of China’s one child policy, their forced abortions and sterilization of millions of women worldwide, the trauma and bloodshed they left behind. We’ll expose the Population Control NGOs assisting the UN in their aim to cut down on the world population in heinous ways… One of them is Planned Parenthood with its Eugenist Nazi ideology.

PART 7: PHILANTHROPY OR MONEY LAUNDERING?
In this episode, we’ll dive into some of the (over 5,500!) NGOs (non governmental organizations) that have been set up solely to execute the UN’s evil goals. These so-called philanthropic institutions are tax-exempt. They do not need to disclose their donors. They move billions of dollars, from mother to sister company, to yet another subsidiary, without any legal control or obstruction whatsoever in this massive money laundering scheme. Let’s examine what ‘philanthropy’ truly means...

PART 8: THE GATES FOUNDATION VACCINATION SCANDALS
Meet the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation: one of the most influential NGOs of the 21st century. On the outside a benign philanthropic foundation… but on the inside one of the darkest Cabal tools imaginable. We’ll expose their complicity in vaccination experiments on innocent people across the world. We’ll show you the devastating results: children crippled, sterilized, mutilated for the rest of their lives. Human guinea pigs used to see how many would die as a result of the venom shot into their veins. All of BMGF’s programs were/are fully supported by the UN, the WHO, and UNICEF. Are you still considering donating money to any of these foundations? You won’t… after seeing this episode!

PART 9: THE GATES FOUNDATION GENETIC MODIFICATION OF LIFE
Bill Gates’ super fetish for GMOs is further revealed in this episode. From super-chickens to kill-switch mosquitoes. Released on the population of Less Developed Countries, they caused havoc... as always when Gates presents a new idea. Big Pharma companies like Hendrix Genetics and Oxitec, plus the University of Wageningen (NL) and the US Army Medical Research & Development Command made a pact with the Devil and created a whole new variety of biological warfare options. Let’s explore… in Part 9!

PART 10: THE GATES FOUNDATION SELLING CHILDREN ON THE INTERNET
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s investments in Big Pharma companies and some of the worst polluters in the world (like Bayer/Monsanto) are overshadowed by their interest in companies that sell products on-line. We’ll show you Gates’ involvement in pedophilia and child trafficking, his close friendship with convicted child-abuser Epstein, his visits to Epstein-Island, and his massive financial support of webshops that sell Adrenochrome and items that refer to missing children through strange codes. Mister Nice turns out not to be so nice after all...

PART 11: THE GATES FOUNDATION EXPLOIT & DESTRUCT
Bill Gates and his foundation invest in some of the most criticized companies in the world for involvement in human rights abuses, labour abuses, environmental abuses, tax avoidance, and the amount of carbon held in their reserves. Everything he does goes against his own preaches about sustainability and the human carbon footprint. GAVI, the WHO, UNICEF, the World Bank, AGRA… evil players steered by the Gates Foundation in order to exploit the people and to depopulate the planet. Time to expose and to redefine Philanthropy!

PART 12: THE GATES FOUNDATION FAKE MEAT & EXTINCTION TECHNOLOGY
More biological warfare in this episode! A frightening cooperation between the Gates Foundation and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) to deploy Gene Drive Technology, better known as Extinction Technology. A means to make entire species or races go extinct. Used in vaccines and now… to mimic meat! Let’s introduce Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods and their delicious alternatives for vegetarians and vegans: ever so tempting until you find out what’s really in it. This episode shows you what it’s like to play God...

PART 13: THE GATES FOUNDATION GETTING RICHER AND RICHER AND RICHER...
Bill Gates uses laws and regulations to avoid tax. His foundation launders money at a scale the world has not seen before. How is it possible that he presents himself as the world’s greatest philanthropist, giving away billions of dollars each year, yet ending up getting richer and richer and richer? Did you know that in the end, it’s We-The-Taxpayers, that pay for all his projects? Do you realise that in fact we pay for our own depopulation?
Let’s see how Gates pulls it off, shall we?

PART 14: DEPOPULATION EXTINCTION TOOLS
The New World Order’s main focus is complete world dominance. Population control, better known as Depopulation, is the UN’s tool to annihilate the majority of the masses, so that no more than 500 million people are left on the face of the earth. A neat number, easy to control, dominate and subjugate. How are we, the people, being attacked in the name of population control? By means of 10 different Extinction Tools. Let’s take a look at the first 4: wars, (natural?) disasters, famine & drought, and plagues & diseases…

PART 15: DEPOPULATION EXTINCTION TOOLS 5-7
Let’s explore some more Extinction Tools! Number 5 on our list: Additives in food, water, beauty, care & cleaning products. You’ll be shocked to see that by design, purposefully, our food and water have been poisoned with substances that cause cancer, infertility, and that destroy our nervous system. Think aspartame, fluoride, xeno-oestrogens, heavy metals, magnetic particles… Number 6 on our list: GMOs, notorious for causing cancer and destroying ecosystems. And number 7 on our list: Family Planning. Abortion, gender confusion (LGBTQIA+) and teaching sex to children at the age of 5, all supported and financed by the UN…

PART 16: DEPOPULATION - EXTINCTION TOOLS 8-9
Extinction tool number 8 on our list: Chemtrails. After years of denial and ridicule, finally admitted to exist by our governments. Heavy metals are raining down on us, our bodies store them in our brains where they cause havoc. Number 9 on our list: Electrosmog. Every day we are bombarded with the invisible electromagnetic radiation from the use of wireless technology and mains electricity. Plus the ever increasing 5G… do you dare to find out what electrosmog actually does to your body and mind? Then get ready for some chilling facts in part 16!

PART 17: DEPOPULATION - EXTINCTION TOOL 10
Last but not least: Extinction tool number 10 on our list: Vaccinations. One of our most chilling episodes about the dangers of vaccinations. Not based on theories or beliefs, but on rock hard scientific facts. We promise you, once you’ve seen this episode, once you know what ingredients are in those shots, you’ll never take another jab in your life! This part 17 has been called by thousands of viewers world-wide “a life saviour”…

PART 18: COVID-19 - THE GREATEST LIE EVER TOLD
Covid-19 and 5G: the ultimate Cabal weapons of mass destruction. However, did you know that the SARS-CoV2 virus has never been isolated and thus never proven to exist? According to the scientific facts, Covid-19 is just another flu. So how come the entire world shut down? What was so different this time, compared with other flu seasons? It sure weren’t the number of casualties! Even the CDC and the WHO have admitted that more people died of the 2018 flu than of this one. So what happened? Everything was premeditated, maybe that’s the saddest and scariest thing of all. Let’s take a look at the role of the MSM, of Bill Gates and the WHO, and see why this one got so out of hand…

PART 18: COVID-19 - THE MIDAZOLAM MURDERS
The Covid Scam started with social distancing and face masks. Based on scientific fraud, people were led to believe the horrific predictions of incompetent advisors to the government. Millions of people were to die if we didn’t obey! And so… the people obeyed. Families were torn apart, societies were split. Everything that gave joy – singing, dancing, hugging, laughing – was prohibited. Instead, fear ruled the planet and turned it into a dark place. Midazolam and morphine was used to purposefully euthanise many thousands of elderly people in care homes. Hold on to your seat as we prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our world leaders arranged all of this during the lockdowns, so nobody would notice. Hard to believe? Then follow us… to part 19!

PART 20: COVID-19 - FACE MASKS, SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND MUCH MORE...
Part 3 of multiple episodes about the biggest medical scam of all times.

PART 21: COVID-19 - THE UNTOLD TRUTH ABOUT NOSE SWABS

PART 22: COVID-19 - MONEY AND MURDER IN THE HOSPITALS

PART 23: COVID-19 - WHISTLEBLOWERS ABOUT HOSPITAL MURDERS

PART 24: COVID-19 - MANDATORY VACCINATIONS? TIME FOR ACTION!

PART 25: COVID-19 - TORTURE PROGRAM

PART 26: COVID-19 - WRAPPING UP GENOCIDE


The best reason to study all the above can be found on this Project Avalon Forum Thread:


Janet Ossebaard Documaker of The Fall Of the Cabal Found Dead After 5 Weeks Missing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122433-Janet-Ossebaard-Documaker-of-The-Fall-Of-the-Cabal-Found-Dead-After-5-Weeks-Missing)

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[ExomatrixTV]

When Trump uses Sarcasm (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fgrkwm3bcfxpz.jpg), most Neo-Libs (Mass Media) will take it literally then using that "against" him (thinking they are so smart) ... When Trump (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342) is deadly serious, most Neo-libs (Mass Media) will say: "he is 'just joking', ignore him".

If that is not bad enough, they also refuse to admit when they were provably wrong (so many times) it becomes like a never ending unethical "mission" to FRAME Trump without any accountability with help from corrupt "fact-checkers" sites (mainly AP/Reuters) that are part of this continues scheme.

When Trump (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1587342&viewfull=1#post1587342) is vindicated in a 100% legit way, you do not see any Neo-Lib Mass Media apologizing they were wrong ... it is even getting worse, doubling down with NEW made up accusations & framing to be corrected months (or years later) but when that happens they do not giva shït.

cheers,
John Kuhles (https://substack.com/@johnkuhles) 🦜🦋🌳

[bojancan]

This is not political motivated, if you watch... we know, that TYT are not pro Clinton, Biden etc.. get the truth come out!

nA_ICvEgZAA

[DNA]

Thanks DNA for explaining my post. :)

Has The One Truth forum ever come around to the awareness that the COVID jabs were bad?

Because I checked that forum out when Gracy/Fred was exposed and I was shocked at how trusting/mind-controlled(?) they were there relative to the dangers of the jabs, insulting Avalon members about our views about this, as well as other anti-woke views (as I recall).

I'm slow to speak about that place because they live to feel wronged and persecuted by us.
And then they go on and on about how we talk behind their back.
I've said nothing about Frank/Aragon that I wouldn't say to his face.
In truth I would call the guy and let him record and post the conversation if he wanted.
I used to call the guy friend.
He's absolutely brilliant,,, but he has no peripheral vision and he has yet to turn his head to the area he is blind in.
But to answer your question.
While the Gracy thing was going on I would check in and read their posts.
The whole thing was exceedingly entertaining.
And listening to all the creative ways they were slamming yours truly for my little part in the whole thing only added to the value of my visits. :)

Your are correct. They were pro vaccine pro mask.
I wouldn't be surprised if Frank had every one wearing N95 while they were typing their TOT responses.
:)
Frank didn't believe in human trafficking either.
I wonder what he says about the sound of freedom?
Probably QAnon conspiracy theory.
The whole place is anti Trump.

But I haven't visited in years.
I think I'll stop in there tonight and see what they are talking about.
I'm curious now.

Edit‐------------------------------------------------

Soooooo I went to the one truth.
Nothing there.
The forum is still up.
But no one is posting.
The most recent threads haven't been touched on three, four, six months.
Giovanni is still posting on his thread with no response at all.
Merry Christmas,,,,,, happy new year,,,,,,, today's topic... crickets.
It's effing sad man.
Somebody go get Gio and bring him back here.

I know Gio was a Lil bit grouchy now and then but I wouldn't wish that purgatory on anyone.

[DNA]

John, I completely understand your point of view... as you expressed yourself above..

Regarding those of them, who are extremely sensitive of videos I added here and of my perception of Trump... I have the same one of Biden too.. so many times I repeat that... but some of here just sense that I hate Trump... no... I am not hateful person.. nor, I have my eyes closed so tight, that I do not see around! Just want to get the truth on both sides.. I am not apologizing myself to anyone..

I already found that years back, that both side, no matter who are on pedestal in WH are completely dishonest and corrupt. The same coin...!!!

It has always amazed me... how, the supposed moral Christian right, can follow a man blindly, who is as amoral as Donald Trump.. and as Biden!
With that in mind, I said enough. Thank you!

How do you think all of this works?

You strike me as a Bernie Sanders type of guy.
Am I right?

Come on. You can tell us.
Soooooo
Hillary Clinton absolutely unequivocally stole that election from him.
Trump would have never beat Bernie Sanders.

Bernie would have been president.
You should be hating Hillary and the DNC internals.
Many people feel Joe Biden and the DNC stole the democratic nomination away from Bernie again in 2020.

Given that very recent history what chance do you think RFK has in getting through that same gauntlet that Bernie and his campaign full of steam couldn't Crack.

If you have a pragmatic bone in your body you should be able to see the situation for what it is.

Can't you see the same crooked dickery used to pick a DNC presidential candidate is being used now to thwart Trump in a fair election with these George Soros funded globalist district attorneys filing BS legal attacks to indict Trump?

The same people making Joe Bidens decisions are the same ones funding and controlling the district attorneys attacking Trump.

You say you don't like Biden but Biden isn't making his decision the Deep state and the globalists are.
Cheering on the crooked legislation attacking Trump is cheering for Bidens handlers, the Deep State.
The Deep State is controlled by the Globalists.

The DNC and most of the Republicans are in the pocket of the Globalists.
To not be
In the pocket of the globalists it helps to be filthy rich.
Trump isn't perfect but if you only knew how much better he is than what the Deep State has planned for us.


For the love of God man. Please for a moment stop using your emotions and use your reason.

[thepainterdoug]

DNA SAID/ Trump isn't perfect but if you only knew how much better he is than what the Deep State has planned for us.

And believe me, whatever you know, or think you know or have heard about the globalists, thats the best of , the prettiest picture of their plans.
once they have it all set and no one in their way , they will slam the door on you, and the freedom you even forgot you once had. it will be done, over . And you may even consider taking your own life in abject embarrassment of what you so easily gave away with your cavalier liberal untested attitudes.
Todays liberal is a glaring hypocrite who will never take an illegal migrant family in or offer up their ownership of what they have earned and worked for.



hey sure, take the tesla out for a ride to the 7/11. ahh you dont need a drivers license. ohh man, you hit someone with it?
thats ok, marge made a nice dinner, just sit down and grab a plate, ill sort out the police work and insurances.

wake up stupid stupid people!! This border thing has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CARE AND CONCERN FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!

Its all elite power, politics, replacement theory and the pulling apart of America.
Your being conquered morons.

btw, getting over the flu and terrible insomnia, my wrath is not directed at anyone directly! :facepalm:

[grapevine]

:thumbsup:

.
.
Who the heck is Gracy? :)

Well
Grace was a Trump hating moderator for the forum from like 2019-2022.
But she/he posted since like 2015 or so.
As it turns out one of the regular posters on Avalon told grace he thought grace was a fake account.
He thought grace was a sock puppet account for someone or some org to confront Trump sympathizers at every turn which is what grace did.
Gracy was anti-maga.
Man did that Avalon poster get made fun of and ridiculed for that.

But one day another member of the forum a friend of the poster calling Gracy out called him on the phone.
Told him he was right and that Grace was actually Fred Steeves.

So this all came out in the wash that Fred was cat fishing Avalon under a girl's name to bust the balls of Trump supporters.

You can find Fred on the one truth forum, still fishing for Trump supporters.
It was all quite dramatic actually.

I missed it too and know nothing about Grace/Gracy, but I liked Fred Steeves very much, enjoyed his challenging posts, and wish he'd come back. Fred, if you're watching . . . .

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

but I liked Fred Steeves very much, enjoyed his challenging posts, and wish he'd come back.

He engaged in a meticulous, long drawn-out deception. Trust was placed in him, and he betrayed that trust. He upset an awful lot of people, and there were tears (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117484-Gracy-has-left-the-forum&p=1475199&viewfull=1#post1475199) for real from the fall-out. I think it's safe to say Fred will never be coming back.

[bojancan]

I think this tread is "Trump is not the answer"...
I am completely out out of your beloved treads " Trump criminal", "Trump is the biggest Troll"! Please, if you do not like what I am adding here, not to listen!
Thank you!!!!

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