Vegetarian vs Omnivore from Kerry Cassidy's Camelot interview with Three Young Men

[Gillian]

I find the bit about vegetarianism to be difficult to accept. Rather, that humans, especially men, should be omnivorous rather than vegetarian. As I have switched back to being vegetarian, and I am somewhat aware, I am wondering if knowledge will make me less of a pushover than if i ate meat and thus had the strength to prevent being manipulated. I think that is how I understand Kerry's argument.

What do others think? Are vegetarian men too gentle for their own good? Are vegetarian men who know what is going on going to be easily manipulated?

Thoughts!!!

[Hym]

Interesting is the thought, the suggestion that not eating meat makes one passive. In some cases that is true, but if I had to go to war I know some very calculated, aggressive vegetarians I'd ask on board. In fact some glutamines, even in vegetarian form (as in sauteed mushrooms), produce the same type of bodily response that meat does in others. I'd liken it more closely to a feeling of fullness and satisfaction that both produce.
There are many different types of vegetarians, vegans, lacto-vegetarians, occasional meat/fish/egg eating vegetarians.
More to the point it is a matter of being trained internally and externally, socially as to when and why an individual would want to be aggressive. Sometimes aggression can be passed over from others as a choice not to waste time and more closely, to fighters at least, the decision to only act aggressively when it has an effect as a negative and unwanted, unhealthy attack.
The effect of hormone disruptors(plastics and the estrogen response) upon men, via massive chemical infiltration from modern living, food, the environment and the push by intel-directed media/advertising to over-P.C. young men into passivity is more likely an in-depth discussion about aggression as indoctrination and hidden influence, and meat playing a smaller part in the discussion.

What are your thoughts and experiences?

[Charles Harris]

I find this interesting having been veggi for years and then reintroducing meat six months ago. Health issues have me seriously considering going back on vegetables. I tried the experiment because I came across an article on mind control and it was suggested that meating could help with this. I know my brain needs fats to function properly, but I also know how difficult it is to think clearly while in pain. Great topic. charles

[Gillian]

I am vegetarian and, as mentioned elsewhere, was vegetarian most of my life until I was diagnosed with pernicious anemia and was ordered to supplement with B12 which, at that time, was only derived from beef kidneys, I think. I went partial-omnivore until I became ill with pneumonia and needed a full year to recover my strength and energy to something of its former glory. At that time, I transitioned to a meat diet as I never wanted to be that ill again. Laterly when eating meat, I only ate organic grass fed hormone-free, etc.

I am hoping that the sublingual B12 (methyl type) is no longer an animal byproduct and I have been using that and, after a discussion on this forum, have increased my intake. I would like to get away with being vegetarian (not vegan yet) and not get horribly ill ever again.

Like mushrooms, garlic is also supposed to make one feel full and comfortable. Impoverished European folk used to scrape garlic cloves over hot toast then drizzle the whole with olive oil. This was inexpensive and satiating. I don't eat wheat or gluten at the moment, but for a while I made organic spelt bread and tried this and it was delicious.

I eat mushrooms regularly.

I think that vegetarianism helps with creativity and artistry.

[raff]

People who make choices from a place of kindness and compassion will live and become gentle. But a challenging environment will fire up any vegan or vegetarian psyche. That's not to say that one will change ones eating habits rather to say we have the mettle and mind to see and stand up to any nasty situation, person or environment. You don't lose your faculties when you become compassionate but you can fall into a mindset that is passive and detached.

[Kryztian]

I've became vegetarian about 5 years ago, but not vegan, and so I started to incorporate more cheese into my diet. Then two years ago I became pescetarian and in the last year I have allowed myself to lapse about once a week. All in all, I can't say that much has changed, positive or negative, with my physical health during this entire time, except that maybe I get a bit depressed and have to take "B" vitamins.

When I do eat meat, however, I notice my dreams darken and I think I experience something of the world of the animal I have consumed. For instance I recently ate fish and then had dreams about being in a dark undersea location. Perhaps this is psychosomatic, something I have allowed to happen, and frankly, I am happy to identify with the creatures that I consume.

After becoming vegetarian, I did a regression hypnosis session with sometime trained by Delores Cannon and have the experience of being consumed by another creature. At that time, it felt natural and I just understood it to be the way things worked. I have always accepted the fact that others are carnivorous and that is just the way they choose to live and I am without moral judgement on that matter, although I do find factory farming and other "modern" agriculture processes to be alarming, not only demeaning to the living beings we consume, but to be unwholesome and dangerous for meat eaters themselves.

Also, after becoming veg, I lost the sense of revulsion people had about slaughter houses, carcasses, etc. It suddenly seemed unfathomable that people needed to blind themselves as to where there meat came from. They had to believe in these happy pig farms or to disconnect from the idea that what they were consuming was once part of a living, breathing, feeling, thinking entity. Just another way in which humans have disconnected themselves from their reality.

I think for some, being vegetarian has consequences in one's physical health, but for me, it is mostly a spiritual issue. I am happy to know that I have cut out about 95% of the meat that I used to eat.

[Bill Ryan]

Are vegetarian men too gentle for their own good? Are vegetarian men who know what is going on going to be easily manipulated?



Well, this guy's a vegetarian, and may not be all that easily manipulated. (He also looks like he knows what's going on... :) )

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160530&t=2&i=1139211618&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC4S0DF

[WhiteLove]

EDIT: Removed the video, it's kind of lame not knowing whether it is true or not.

But here is a better video that hopefully has some truth.

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High quality meat is hard to find and expensive, so it's probably good for you...

I am currently on a water diet, it means the diet is centered around various types of high quality water. I avoid low quality water. So any water soluble poison ending up in the system is effectively taken care of by the water. It's kind of like a protective layer towards better health. :thumbsup::coffee:

A big fan of Evian water... (I noticed a positive natural response to this water, totally unbiased when I made that discovery, I later discovered it goes through an extreme filtering process, was registering good pH and very little fluoride, so it appears to be a good water that in my view should be part of a health diet)

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Anyway, here are some water tests that Dahboo7 did:

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[Jantje]

I'm a vegetarian man myself. If you think I'm too gentle for my own good, I dare you to come up to me and tell this BS to my face.

People are not built to be meat eaters either

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[Professor]

I will celebrate my 67th birthday about a week from now and I've been a strict vegetarian since age 13 when I became acutely aware of and horrified by the cruelty of modern meat production and experienced empathy with its victims. Since that day I've enjoyed excellent health along with what I believe to be an open and analytic mind with a drive to research all topics, above average physical strength and stamina and have had a good run so far. I think that I have the proper balance between passive and aggressive inclinations. Haven't noticed any deficient areas in my life yet - but it's only been half a century so far!

[Sunny-side-up]

Nice one Bill, I like it :)




Are vegetarian men too gentle for their own good? Are vegetarian men who know what is going on going to be easily manipulated?



Well, this guy's a vegetarian, and may not be all that easily manipulated. (He also looks like he knows what's going on... :) )

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160530&t=2&i=1139211618&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC4S0DF

Grats Proffesor

I will celebrate my 67th birthday about a week from now and I've been a strict vegetarian since age 13 when I became acutely aware of and horrified by the cruelty of modern meat production and experienced empathy with its victims. Since that day I've enjoyed excellent health along with what I believe to be an open and analytic mind with a drive to research all topics, above average physical strength and stamina and have had a good run so far. I think that I have the proper balance between passive and aggressive inclinations. Haven't noticed any deficient areas in my life yet - but it's only been half a century so far!

One thing to consider is we are not all exactly the same

The main thing for most of us nowadays is, we have a CHOICE!
If you don't have choice then you have to eat what you can and when you can.

My resonance aim is to be vibrationaly clear of animal intake.
I personally can't be free if I eat meat/animals.
I'm sad to say, not free yet, I do still eat Fish and Chicken.

[Sean]

I've been considering being vegetarian for awhile now-not happy about how animals are treated, and, I keep reading how going veg will help increase my vibration, etc etc. I'm gonna give it a go with some supplements like spirulina/chlorella to make sure I don't miss anything nutritionally. We'll see how it goes..