Cursing Your Enemies

[AutumnW]

I am just curious. Has anybody here ever cursed anybody, or tried to curse somebody? I haven't, but I was very tempted once.

Am not advocating it, but I do understand it!

[Wind]

Remember...

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[shaberon]

Guilty.

Only it was less of a "somebody" and more of an "everybody".

Now what I did was either a) 100% effective, or b) really just an omen reading of the future. I'm more strongly inclined to believe in b, judging by the kinds of issues we still discuss, and that I was, I think, 15 at the time. For the curious, this was Saturnine--i. e., based in lead (fishing weight) inscribed with corresponding glyphs, etc. And as far as I can tell, this talisman remains in place where I buried it.

But actually, this was after we had been to the witch's cabin.

Anyway, you do eat a bit of karma from things like this. In a one-on-one situation, they say a "disbeliever" is more vulnerable than a "believer" (who might go for some sage or something). A skilled practitioner could quite easily harm the body of another. Other aspects of fortune could be smitten as well.

[AutumnW]

I agree, Wind. Still, I think anybody who claims they would never even think of cursing someone, or haven't so much as entertained the thought, isn't being entirely honest -- or they have been lucky and not had to deal with real malevolent cruelty.

[Wind]

We all certainly do have our moments of frustration, been there done that! :)

It's just good to aknowledge the power of words and thoughts.

[AutumnW]

Guilty.

Only it was less of a "somebody" and more of an "everybody".

Now what I did was either a) 100% effective, or b) really just an omen reading of the future. I'm more strongly inclined to believe in b, judging by the kinds of issues we still discuss, and that I was, I think, 15 at the time. For the curious, this was Saturnine--i. e., based in lead (fishing weight) inscribed with corresponding glyphs, etc. And as far as I can tell, this talisman remains in place where I buried it.

But actually, this was after we had been to the witch's cabin.

Anyway, you do eat a bit of karma from things like this. In a one-on-one situation, they say a "disbeliever" is more vulnerable than a "believer" (who might go for some sage or something). A skilled practitioner could quite easily harm the body of another. Other aspects of fortune could be smitten as well.

Were you angry, feeling hurt at the time, or just kind of like a kid with an ouija board...just kind of a goofy phase?

[AutumnW]

We all certainly do have our moments of frustration, been there done that! :)

It's just good to aknowledge the power of words and thoughts.

Wind, I was in a deep spiritual crisis wrestling with forces I can't even accurately explain or define. I think part of the exercise was to understand extreme pain and then walk away without responding in kind. It was very hard to do. I DO understand how some people would give in to it and curse like crazy though...or hire someone to break legs. I get it and I feel for them.

[The Freedom Train]

Chinese handcuffs, hydras, and wheels. Indeed it is best not to go there. Follow the Golden Rule as best you can, turn the other cheek, and focus on compassion and love for self in trying times.

I say this because I too have struggled with very traumatic hurtful situations - one that is still ongoing and involves somebody who thinks they are an OTO adept. So I find the best thing to do is disengage, establish and maintain healthy boundaries, and develop the ability to have compassion for and forgive attackers. These are the strategies I have developed over the past 13 years of dealing with this head-on.

[AutumnW]

Sympathy for the devil, Freedom Train! :heart: I learned to be indifferent, as if I had been dealing with an alien that didn't want or need my sympathy. What is OTO adept?

[Unicorn]

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[Sunny-side-up]

I am just curious. Has anybody here ever cursed anybody, or tried to curse somebody? I haven't, but I was very tempted once.

Am not advocating it, but I do understand it!

Having random angry thoughts is not 'Cursing'
Those thoughts and words just dissipate and won't be directed properly.
So the original target will be ok, you will just have added negativity to your yourself and surroundings.

A curse/spell needs to be woven and constructed, being said 3 times to command it.
You have to also clear your mind and project your thoughts in a powerful way using identifying words and great intent.

Add to that we to day don't generally use words of any power, we don't use 'POWER-WORDS'
our language has no power.

So to be uncontrolled and angry is not sending a curse, you only hurt yourself o.0

SAME goes for sending out 'Good' and or 'Healing' thoughts, you need a clear intent and woven words to hit the target.

many of our words are designed to actually go to negative entities, our words are miss directed/hijacked by them. We don't know most of the true meanings to the words we use.

[Iloveyou]

:)
It's just good to aknowledge the power of words and thoughts.

Not to forget the power of images, of imagination.

Some years ago I worked in a terrible place. The (restaurant-) customers were impatient, aggressive, kind of haunted, energy suckers of the worst kind, at the same time so desperate. They just passed on all their stress, their tension and fear to the next available person, they couldn't handle it. The owner and her family acted the same way and they all kept a kind of balance in a terrible way. At times it felt like if they were beasts who would devour each other. I needed the money.

One day I actually stood with the back to the wall and in an effort to 'defend' myself I started to send out black arrows from all over my body towards the subtle 'attackers'. I did that automatically, without thinking about it. It worked immediately. The worst of them withdraw (energetically) and went quiet. I went on with my work, relieved. But it was maybe ten minutes later when I became aware what I've done and I felt the enormous pain (not physically, but as weakness, energy-loss) which I've inflicted on those - yes, desperate! - people, as well as on myself.

I guess I did a lot of such things in my very distant past (like most of us, for sure) and went back in time on that occasion. Needless to say that I'm keeping a large distance to such actions since then and transformation work is underway :) )

Dear all,
I'll tell you something else: I left the place and returned to work there (was called back) several times and recently I had my iPad with me on work, with the PA site opened. Although most of the time it is so busy and crowded that there's no chance to read or write anything, I feel a strong loving, comforting and supporting presence as a kind of counterbalance to that demanding surrounding, coming through this little device, which allows me to handle these situations with ease (of course the device would not be nessessary, but there I'm not quite yet. :)

[Sunny-side-up]

YES Iloveyou nice post.

One thing we must remember and try to make automatic is our desired polarity, good or bad, light or dark.

We need train our defences to be of light and goodness to block/word-off attacks yes?

Easy to say, we are bombard with might is right and that energy is destruction process :(

Train to send out walls of white, soft and overpowering walls of cotton wool not black arrows.
I have done like you in past but to send out painful defences to attack others will weaken you, it lets the dark in and so block your actual great powers.

[kirolak]

Yes, I'm ashamed to say . . . my first (very much ex!) husband beat me up, struck my older daughter in the stomach, attacked us both with violence & hate; I had to end my music career because of him. I cursed him dramatically, to his face, wishing boils & pestilence all over his body. In a few days he came round, asking me to remove the curse as he had huge boils under his arms & was in severe pain. I was shocked that my impromptu words had had such an effect, & had no idea how to undo them, but did as I intuited, & he was soon fine, & back to persecuting us again. I won't even begin to list the horrors he inflicted on us until we fled across continents. . . .

I then sent him a visualized black mirror, in which he was meant to see himself "as he truly was". I don't know what happened, but he settled down with another woman shortly afterwards, & left us in peace. I hear they have since divorced. I have no feelings of anger towards him any more, & can only pity the weak, needy being he used to be, who thought that force was a way to gain love.

Once, my mother taught me a so-called Gypsey curse (in spanish), causing retrograde harm to entire families, which she said I should never use (!?), & I never have - but I wonder why she told it to me in the first place?:(

I won't ever curse anyone again - the responsibility is too great. Perhaps it was Karma; perhaps I had harmed him in a past incarnation. . . .I have always requested the Universe not to use me as an Instrument of Another's Karma. (FWIW, all of this!)

[OmeyocaN777]

I prefer to bliss and never (hopefully avoid) curse others.
People or entities that doesn't cooperate (50-50) are already cursed by themselves.
But i criticize or point the finger to somebody that i really care and i want to help them evolve.....

[Rich]

Thing is we each have our own dream (reality) so we don't affect others,
but I do think we may affect their choices if we choose hate or love it will be more likely for
them to choose that as well, but we cannot curse or hurt anyone except ourselves, since we all are in separate dreams.

[AutumnW]

Sunny Side Up,

Totally agree with you. I am referring to an actual curse, as in focussed intent, projecting all of your will outward, in order to do harm. The rituals probably add focus and impetus to a curse but I don't know if they are the most important part. I feel that it is the ability to concentrate, consolidate and target the will, with laser precision and malicious intent.

Not something to be taken lightly. I have the strong sense that if I did this I would be successful, but I am philosophically opposed to it, for all the reasons mentioned here, on the thread.

I have a friend who ended up absorbing a curse, meant for me. The woman who cursed me was a minion of a fake guru type who targeted me many years ago. The minion was VERY active in the astral plane, along with her dead grandmother.

Sounds crazy, but according to my friend, who was a professional psychic, it is true.

[AutumnW]

Yes, I'm ashamed to say . . . my first (very much ex!) husband beat me up, struck my older daughter in the stomach, attacked us both with violence & hate; I had to end my music career because of him. I cursed him dramatically, to his face, wishing boils & pestilence all over his body. In a few days he came round, asking me to remove the curse as he had huge boils under his arms & was in severe pain. I was shocked that my impromptu words had had such an effect, & had no idea how to undo them, but did as I intuited, & he was soon fine, & back to persecuting us again. I won't even begin to list the horrors he inflicted on us until we fled across continents. . . .

I then sent him a visualized black mirror, in which he was meant to see himself "as he truly was". I don't know what happened, but he settled down with another woman shortly afterwards, & left us in peace. I hear they have since divorced. I have no feelings of anger towards him any more, & can only pity the weak, needy being he used to be, who thought that force was a way to gain love.

Once, my mother taught me a so-called Gypsey curse (in spanish), causing retrograde harm to entire families, which she said I should never use (!?), & I never have - but I wonder why she told it to me in the first place?:(

I won't ever curse anyone again - the responsibility is too great. Perhaps it was Karma; perhaps I had harmed him in a past incarnation. . . .I have always requested the Universe not to use me as an Instrument of Another's Karma. (FWIW, all of this!)

I don't think you should be unduly ashamed. He got off lucky with boils. Could have been worse. You could have cursed him with something incurable. I wonder, too, about past incarnations and if I met my Svengali/guru/monster in another life and he sought me out in this one to try to destroy me--for whatever reason.

[Ashy67]

In the past when confronted with negative and aggressive people i have sent all the negativity energy back to them in the form of a black cloud. The negative energy belongs to them so I see this dark cloud going back towards them and re entering their body but I send it back with a loving energy and no ill intent. When I have used this technique people have stopped their onslaught and had to walk away from me and couldn't even look at me in the face. I always send healing afterwards also. I think it makes people see how their behaviour affects others.

[AutumnW]

In the past when confronted with negative and aggressive people i have sent all the negativity energy back to them in the form of a black cloud. The negative energy belongs to them so I see this dark cloud going back towards them and re entering their body but I send it back with a loving energy and no ill intent. When I have used this technique people have stopped their onslaught and had to walk away from me and couldn't even look at me in the face. I always send healing afterwards also. I think it makes people see how their behaviour affects others.

That is a great visual and wonderful intention. I think I will try it!

[shaberon]

Were you angry, feeling hurt at the time, or just kind of like a kid with an ouija board...just kind of a goofy phase?

Well, the authorities started trouble with me. Which made it a situation where "ordinary means could not prevail". And what I cast was not a disease, injury, or death, but something more along the lines of the breakdown of civilization.

Ouija and the like had already made the rounds a long time before that. The witch's cabin that I mentioned was left over from colonial times. I can't remember how we found out about it, but we found it. We crested a hill and could see it on the next hill, maybe 100m away with a creek in the middle. Went slightly upstream for a better crossing, and when we came back down the opposite bank, the house was: gone. The "goofy phase" was, perhaps, we thought that maybe we triggered a fey-type spell and are actually still in the cabin, everything since then being an illusion.

I can't say that I take the "fey enchantment" thing very seriously, but I still can't get around the fact that, as far as I could tell, the old cabin did vanish. It was by no means a large area where we "maybe got lost"...it was out of sight for only two or three minutes while we went up the creek, and pretty easy to tell we were on the same hill where we had just plainly seen it.

I've really tried to avoid making direct personal enemies, but, as an adult, I consider myself as somewhat cursed by someone from the London School of Economics. The type of person that when they show up, your throat closes and your stomach ties in knots. That is the tell-tale sign of a (perhaps unconscious) sorceror. Ever since this person "snapped their fingers" at me, it's been a steady decline from being fairly well-off to being maybe a step above livestock. Of course, I believe the School more or less treats the world this way, so I'm by no means alone in that regard.

[Flash]

Kirolak, you made me thing of two cursings I did put on my husband.

The first one was when we were not married yet and he was going back to see his mentor/thesis supervisor at the University where he did his studies. I knew that he had had a girlfriend there and that he may want to see her again. So before he left, I told him "if you see her and do not tell me, the plane will fall on your way back" of course ,thinking i was making kind of a joke. So, when he was supposed to show up at the airport, I went to get him but the plane was delayed. In fact, it had not even left his departure airport yet. So I went back home, and checked on the web (i was a computer user in the 80's and on some kind of web in the late 80's) for hours and phone if the plane had departed, but no. Then, about 3 hours after the time set for departure, I receive a phone call from him saying "please can you get that god damn spell off that plane so that we can leave!" I started laughing and said "so you met her?" and then asked what was going on. A thunder had struck the plane just as they were ready to take off, and they had to return for the plane to be checked up. So, I said "ok I take it off". Few hours later the plane showed up at the airport, the last plane for that night, with everyone very tired getting off. My ex came to me and said "finally thanks for taking off your spell". A few people around looked at us with bizarre / angry looks.

The other time was much more dramatic. I realised he had used dark magic on me and our daughter, having hired someone to put Djinns on us. I confronted him on this a few years after realising it. When he confirmed, saying it was for our good (ouf, this is not to be believed) I told him, after screaming at him "how did you ever dared to do such a thing" that I did not want to have to deal with him ever again, not here, not anywhere, for this lifetime and any other lifetime through reincarnation. I must emphasize here that I came from years ago not believing in evil and dark magic, not believing that people could be real bad or want to hurt others, to seeing that some do, and then to having it in my household (he did worst than that too) and seeing the impact of one or many curses on a daily basis. Gosh, I am still angry when I think of it - I should get rid of this lingering anger.

Now, I pity him more than anything else, but will not have anything to do with him. My daughter is free to do what she wants regarding her dad, I will not mixed into it. And she is now quite strong.

In this case, I was the one having been cursed and hurt, I saw/lived the results, i will not do it to anyone but I still stand by what I told him.


Yes, I'm ashamed to say . . . my first (very much ex!) husband beat me up, struck my older daughter in the stomach, attacked us both with violence & hate; I had to end my music career because of him. I cursed him dramatically, to his face, wishing boils & pestilence all over his body. In a few days he came round, asking me to remove the curse as he had huge boils under his arms & was in severe pain. I was shocked that my impromptu words had had such an effect, & had no idea how to undo them, but did as I intuited, & he was soon fine, & back to persecuting us again. I won't even begin to list the horrors he inflicted on us until we fled across continents. . . .

I then sent him a visualized black mirror, in which he was meant to see himself "as he truly was". I don't know what happened, but he settled down with another woman shortly afterwards, & left us in peace. I hear they have since divorced. I have no feelings of anger towards him any more, & can only pity the weak, needy being he used to be, who thought that force was a way to gain love.

Once, my mother taught me a so-called Gypsey curse (in spanish), causing retrograde harm to entire families, which she said I should never use (!?), & I never have - but I wonder why she told it to me in the first place?:(

I won't ever curse anyone again - the responsibility is too great. Perhaps it was Karma; perhaps I had harmed him in a past incarnation. . . .I have always requested the Universe not to use me as an Instrument of Another's Karma. (FWIW, all of this!)

[Rosco1]

I did a voodoo curse once.
Many years ago my ex boss (a place where I had worked for 13 years) made the last seven years of my job hell.
Often under paying me for the full hours I worked and accused me regulary of skiving, which was not true.
So one day I had had enough of his bull**** and made a wax voodoo doll of him. Gathering all the other items that was required to make this work.
I did the curse and stuck pins in the elbow and left it at home.
A few days later he came upto me and asked me outright if I had done a curse or something (he knew I read books on the occult) on him as he was having terrible pains in his elbow. I told him I had and that he deserved it. He never complained to me again and he paid me my wages in full after that.
After this I never touched voodoo again.

[The Freedom Train]

Sympathy for the devil, Freedom Train! :heart: I learned to be indifferent, as if I had been dealing with an alien that didn't want or need my sympathy. What is OTO adept?

I know, I know. It sounds totally crazy. Whether or not it is wanted doesn't seem to be the point at least as far as I have noticed. It seems to be about a contribution to a larger energetic shift, on the one hand, and also about a redirection of personal power in a way that is liberating for the individual making that choice. BUT.... far easier said than done!!!

An OTO adept is a fanboy/girl of Aleister Crowley.

[The Freedom Train]

One day I actually stood with the back to the wall and in an effort to 'defend' myself I started to send out black arrows from all over my body towards the subtle 'attackers'. I did that automatically, without thinking about it. It worked immediately. The worst of them withdraw (energetically) and went quiet. I went on with my work, relieved. But it was maybe ten minutes later when I became aware what I've done and I felt the enormous pain (not physically, but as weakness, energy-loss) which I've inflicted on those - yes, desperate! - people, as well as on myself.

Wow this is an intense story for me right now because I just spoke with my friend who is fighting for his life and his freedom in a psych ward, where he was committed for talking about aliens and energy (you know the usual things we like to talk about on PA), and they are trying to force medications on him. He has his hearing this wednesday where the judge will most likely approve a roger's guardianship to force the meds on him. It is very distressing for me, knowing there is very little I can do to help him other than to talk with him on the phone and try to give him some support.

He has been talking a lot about the very negative energies there and how he feels like he has to be constantly on his guard and reacting/defending himself. While you (iloveyou) in your situation reflected on what you chose to do and felt badly about it, my friend, who is also very young, is unapologetic about his decision to energetically "fight back" in ways that are most likely coming across as aggressive to those around him. He is doing it because he is alone and very afraid, he is not in control very much of his life, and he is in danger of being force fed very bad psychoactive drugs that do so much harm to the brain and the subtle energy bodies.

So what is very hard for me is to see what he is going through, to understand it, and to feel totally at odds with either choice: 1) eat 2) be eaten. I have noticed in my life that I tend to choose the latter, because I would rather be in pain myself than to know I may have been reponsible in any intentional way for another's suffering. So is the answer to sacrifice ourselves? I have been working on healthy boundaries, so I see the value in self defense. But is there a point where it (self defense) goes too far? Or are we meant to stop defending ourselves completely in order to achieve the collective freedom we seek?

[Rosco1]

I have also done a black magic curse.
My circumstances at the time was back in the 1980s when I was dating a woman and her ex boyfriend just seemed to follow us everywhere we went in his car.
We got so fed up with his antics that we decided to do a black magic curse on him.
I did not want any harm to come to him, but did want him out of our lives.
The curse did involve using a cows heart (that was the only yukky thing – have you ever seen the size of a cows heart, its flipping huge!).
Anyway we did the curse and it worked!
We did enquire through her ex boyfriends friends and they said he was fine (phew!).
What did put me off of reading more on the subject was when I read part of a grimoire and was horrified as to its contents.
I threw the book into a fire and never touched the subject again.

[RunningDeer]

Cursed as in swear? Yup. Send a curse as in Zap? Nope.

My take is energy is energy. It’s the intent that I do not accept. I assimilate rather than ground it into the earth. So for example on my walks, I assimilate the winds’ energy. I make it be known that any intent mixed within that is not compatible with my frequency goes back whence it came.

If I feel, sense or see energies that are in conflict with mine from another or in a crowd, I bring out or dial up my frequency and make it be known that any intent mixed within that is not compatible is sent back tenfold whence it came. I execute the command and send.

I've not experienced any negative entities like the ones I've read about. Though, a couple of times going off to sleep, I sensed a being that was curious. I dialed up my force and before I sent out the thought, he, she, it skeddaddled. If ever there were a sardonic encounter, at the very least, I’d send back one hundred-fold intent to fry its' a$$.

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[shaberon]

An OTO adept is a fanboy/girl of Aleister Crowley.

Ordo Templi Orientalis

[RunningDeer]

So what is very hard for me is to see what he is going through, to understand it, and to feel totally at odds with either choice: 1) eat 2) be eaten. I have noticed in my life that I tend to choose the latter, because I would rather be in pain myself than to know I may have been reponsible in any intentional way for another's suffering. So is the answer to sacrifice ourselves? I have been working on healthy boundaries, so I see the value in self defense. But is there a point where it (self defense) goes too far? Or are we meant to stop defending ourselves completely in order to achieve the collective freedom we seek?

There’s another choice, not to partake in either the victim nor the victimizer roles. I’d stand my ground as a sovereign being.

One who is sovereign has no need to choose suffering or volunteer to be eaten. Sacrifice of self is ‘dinner and dessert’ for the victimizer. Self defense and healthy boundaries can also mean the strong walk away. The strong set up camp somewhere else. Self defense is listening to your gut and it may say, “Leave,” rather than as you say, ”be in pain”.

Collective freedom begins within the individual. We each are responsible for ourselves. As our energies increase and flow outward, it merges with the collective. Others that are open to surf the waves will begin or reinforce their inner journey of empowerment.

♡

[7alon]

I can't help but think the concept of the light and the dark side from Star Wars references the power of thought and the effects it can have on yourself when you embrace the power of either negative or positive energy.

[Hym]

I've never used the black arts to engage a part of my soul in the darkness of others, as it isn't part of who I am. I have often laughed at the darkness knowing that it has a fear of me. It is in defence of others that I have simply mirrored the energy back at the one sending it, with the proviso that whatever is sent will be amplified.

If love is sent then that love is magnified in it's journey back to the sender. If it is negativity then it is amplified to fit the sender's own fears. The hardest thing to comprehend is that people think there is a distance between their intent and the object of their attention, when there is no time and no distance because there is no in-between, just the illusion of it all being separate.

[The Freedom Train]

There’s another choice, not to partake in either the victim nor the victimizer roles. I’d stand my ground as a sovereign being.

One who is sovereign has no need to choose suffering or volunteer to be eaten. Sacrifice of self is ‘dinner and dessert’ for the victimizer. Self defense and healthy boundaries can also mean the strong walk away. The strong set up camp somewhere else. Self defense is listening to your gut and it may say, “Leave,” rather than as you say, ”be in pain”.

Collective freedom begins within the individual. We each are responsible for ourselves. As our energies increase and flow outward, it merges with the collective. Others that are open to surf the waves will begin or reinforce their inner journey of empowerment.

I agree with you. And yet, we seem to oftentimes find ourselves in compromising positions, where there is no real great choice. Sometimes, we cannot walk away. Sometimes, our only hope for freedom lies within ourselves, rather than in our external circumstances, actions, or options.

[RunningDeer]

...And yet, we seem to oftentimes find ourselves in compromising positions, where there is no real great choice. Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

If the 'we' includes everyone but myself, then maybe, only because I can’t speak for anyone else.

Nothing kept nor keeps me in a compromising position. The same applied for my child’s welfare. At times, the choices I made hurt financially, but freedom of mind, body and soul trump paper and coin. It's possible that our definition of compromising position differ.


there is no real great choice

There’s always choice. Even waiting around for a great choice is a choice. For myself, even a plain old choice is a good one. Movement out of a frozen position opens greater avenues of choice. At least that’s the way it works for me. Why? Because it’s my belief, my inner knowing, and because I’ve proven it to myself countless times.


Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

You know where I stand on that. So, I’ll leave it there.


our only hope for freedom lies within ourselves

I agree. Only, for me, it’s not a hope. It is.

[Iloveyou]

. . my friend, who is also very young, is unapologetic about his decision to energetically "fight back" in ways that are most likely coming across as aggressive to those around him. He is doing it because he is alone and very afraid, he is not in control very much of his life, and he is in danger of being force fed very bad psychoactive drugs that do so much harm to the brain and the subtle energy bodies.

I'm very sorry about your friend's situation. It seems he has to deal with internal AND external forces that harrass and threaten him. He could use a stream of support and healing, a protecting field of loving energy around him to calm down and be comforted, strenghtened. Would it be possible to generate a field where the people who are present at his hearing were able to 'see' him, to connect with him, beyond their own fear? I'll do my part. 🌺


On a different note, I should add something to the 'black arrows' thing in #12. When I sent them out in their direction, for a fraction of a second I saw the people writhing in pain. All that happened too fast to spare a conscious thought for it. Much later I realised if a person did that with full will and intent, coming from their own center of power, in a focused way they could easily kill someone.

I think my higher self (= my own greater I, my own expanded awareness) kept me from doing real harm. It made me act in a kind of unfocused, parenthetical way (by sending the arrows from all over my body in a certain direction for example, and not 'shooting' one arrow at a specific person with full intention, full power. However, even that served its purpose to keep them at bay.

How often does our higher self protect us from doing harm, I wonder.

edit: I guess I should retract that statement:
(I guess I did a lot of such things in my very distant past) like most of us, for sure
Some maybe did, some not . . and I don't know anything about it :)

[The Freedom Train]

...And yet, we seem to oftentimes find ourselves in compromising positions, where there is no real great choice. Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

If the 'we' includes everyone but myself, then maybe, only because I can’t speak for anyone else.

Nothing kept nor keeps me in a compromising position. The same applied for my child’s welfare. At times, the choices I made hurt financially, but freedom of mind, body and soul trump paper and coin. It's possible that our definition of compromising position differ.


there is no real great choice

There’s always choice. Even waiting around for a great choice is a choice. For myself, even a plain old choice is a good one. Movement out of a frozen position opens greater avenues of choice. At least that’s the way it works for me. Why? Because it’s my belief, my inner knowing, and because I’ve proven it to myself countless times.


Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

You know where I stand on that. So, I’ll leave it there.


our only hope for freedom lies within ourselves

I agree. Only, for me, it’s not a hope. It is.

I do of course see your very valid points. I apologize, I should not have used 'we" - bad word choice on my part.

A question: did the concentration camp victims have the option to leave? Perhaps a strong decision would have been suicide in their position, but then some people say that to take one's life is a cop-out.

I mean, I get your points and I agree with them. Being strong and making tough decisions is paramount to leading an authentic life. And I think it is important for us all to realize how powerful we as individuals can be.

I am able to see your points and in part, I agree with them. Why are you incapable of seeing that there is some truth and validity to what I am sharing, from my heart? That being a victim is not just about a mindset - it is a reality. What about the many child victims of the global pedophile ring? How can we deny the very real traumatic experiences of anybody?

And speaking of individual empowerment, I wonder, is there also a power greater than ourselves at work here?

Is there ever a time in your life when you have realized your own lack of control? Or do you believe that your control is absolute? Does your belief make it so?

[AutumnW]

As far as life choices, attitude and esoteric means to improve one's position goes -- they have their place and can help people get through or change so much in their lives. But it's not going to help those who are, metaphorically speaking, hog tied and thrown on railway tracks, from being crushed by an oncoming train.

If we were the exclusive authors of our destiny, we would not experience the crushing circumstances of random chance, NOR its delights.

Anyway back to cursing! When I think about Skinwalker ranch and even David Paulides national parks disappearances, I wonder if whole areas are cursed by the crimes of our forefathers. Maybe when an evil, like the genocide of aboriginal people, is so enormous, it provokes the animus in ways we don't understand.

Maybe the workings of cruelty and callousness, by the settlers of this continent, beginning centuries ago, tore a hole in the fabric of decency, that created a portal to other dimensions where the spirits of the those who suffer dwell. And they curse us.

[The Freedom Train]

By the way, +BillRyan, I noticed you following my discussion with RunningDeer regarding victimhood.

When I recently had a mini breakdown and had to take a break from the forum for a bit, you reached out to me, very kindly, saying that you had another friend, a TI, in a similar situation. Your sympathy and kindess was very much appreciated.

So now I would like to ask you, as our fearless leader on this forum, what is your opinion on the topic?

If it is true that you believe psychotronic warfare is real, that people identifying as TI's are not just making it up for self serving reasons, then where do you stand on this issue?

I have a friend, a fellow TI, who told me that despite their extensive world travels, much of which was along the lines of backpacking, they were never able to escape the targeting. So, how does one "walk away" from that?

Also, food for thought:

"Even among lower animals, lacking obeisance to a purported deity-in-the-flesh, the inability to take the simple steps which would lessen their own pain, in exiting from a harmful environment, has long been known. That knowledge has come in large part via Martin Seligman’s experiments in the mid-’70s, in which animals were given electric shocks in an environment where they could not escape that mistreatment.

At first the animals fought, tried to get away, and uttered cries of pain or anger. Then they sank into listlessness and despair. Later on, in a second set of experiments, the same animals were shocked again—only this time, by pressing a certain lever or completing some other simple task, they could stop the electric current. But they made no effort to do so.

The animals had learned to be helpless. Due to their previous experiences, even when a means of escape from the pain was provided, these animals were too defeated, perhaps defeated neurologically, to take the simple action that would end their suffering (Matsakis, 1996). "

((http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/gurusandprisoners.html))

[Rosco1]

Although I have dabbled in the occult I believe with maturity and experience that the path I took was the wrong one, even though both experiences turrned out to be positive in the long run.

Perhaps the postive experiences were like a dangling carott to the inexperienced and that a great foreboding is what was in store for those that were willing to go forward and deeper into the voodoo and black magick experience.
I worked alone and not in a group.

I am now happily in a more postive place in my life and will warn others not to dabble with the occult.
Always work with love in your heart no matter how bad the experience you are experiencing.

We are here to learn lessons until the day we depart this earth.

Always work for the good of man/woman kind.

[greybeard]

There is a book by Zig Ziglar "See You at the Top"
In it he talks about fleas that can jump the hight of a horses belly--confined to a jam jar with the lid on.
When released they can no longer jump higher than when they were confined.

Humans can be "trained" the same way--however if you know that only the mind is confining you, then this can be changed--what is done can be undone.
Depends on the severity--degree of "training" exceptions to every rule of course.

In cursing enemies its possible to do yourself more harm than the one you curse.
The Universe is the great balancer--no deed unnoticed --whatever energy you put out comes back.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

...And yet, we seem to oftentimes find ourselves in compromising positions, where there is no real great choice. Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

If the 'we' includes everyone but myself, then maybe, only because I can’t speak for anyone else.

Nothing kept nor keeps me in a compromising position. The same applied for my child’s welfare. At times, the choices I made hurt financially, but freedom of mind, body and soul trump paper and coin. It's possible that our definition of compromising position differ.


there is no real great choice

There’s always choice. Even waiting around for a great choice is a choice. For myself, even a plain old choice is a good one. Movement out of a frozen position opens greater avenues of choice. At least that’s the way it works for me. Why? Because it’s my belief, my inner knowing, and because I’ve proven it to myself countless times.


Sometimes, we cannot walk away.

You know where I stand on that. So, I’ll leave it there.


our only hope for freedom lies within ourselves

I agree. Only, for me, it’s not a hope. It is.

I do of course see your very valid points. I apologize, I should not have used 'we" - bad word choice on my part.

A question: did the concentration camp victims have the option to leave? Perhaps a strong decision would have been suicide in their position, but then some people say that to take one's life is a cop-out.

I mean, I get your points and I agree with them. Being strong and making tough decisions is paramount to leading an authentic life. And I think it is important for us all to realize how powerful we as individuals can be.

I am able to see your points and in part, I agree with them. Why are you incapable of seeing that there is some truth and validity to what I am sharing, from my heart? That being a victim is not just about a mindset - it is a reality. What about the many child victims of the global pedophile ring? How can we deny the very real traumatic experiences of anybody?

And speaking of individual empowerment, I wonder, is there also a power greater than ourselves at work here?

Is there ever a time in your life when you have realized your own lack of control? Or do you believe that your control is absolute? Does your belief make it so?


I apologize, I should not have used 'we" - bad word choice on my part.
No apologies necessary. They are only point of views that we share.


Why are you incapable…
…That being a victim is not just about a mindset - it is a reality. What about the many child victims of the global pedophile ring? How can we deny the very real traumatic experiences of anybody?

The only answers I have are the ones I’ve learned through personal experience. And even many of those get an overhaul and are refined as my evolving perspective grows. All the rest out there is just guestamation on my part. My lamenting changes diddly squat.


Why are you incapable of seeing that there is some truth and validity to what I am sharing, from my heart?

I have no clue on how to answer that. If your perception is that I am incapable of understanding your point of view from the heart, then I accept that is what it is for you.



And speaking of individual empowerment, I wonder, is there also a power greater than ourselves at work here?
Is there ever a time in your life when you have realized your own lack of control
Or do you believe that your control is absolute?
Does your belief make it so?


Based on your comment of my inability to grasp what you need from me? (a guess here), I’ll pass on the eight questions. To seek validation from an outside source sets yourself up for (fill-in the blank).

As for question number nine: Does your belief make it so?, I’ve found Dr. Bruce Lipton to be a good resource. I'd suggest, “The Biology of Belief (https://www.amazon.com/Biology-Belief-PH-D-BRUCE-LIPTON/dp/B009NGAX5Y/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481660836&sr=1-4&keywords=biology+of+belief)." If funds are tight and you are unable to borrow a library copy, then here’s a link (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+biology+of+belief+audiobook&spfreload=10) to numerous videos of his lectures on beliefs.

[The Freedom Train]

The only answers I have are the ones I’ve learned through personal experience. And even many of those get an overhaul and are refined as my evolving perspective grows. All the rest out there is just guestamation on my part. My lamenting changes diddly squat.

I thank you for this, RunningDeer. Thank you, thank you, thank you.


To seek validation from an outside source sets yourself up for (fill-in the blank).

Indeed.


As for question number nine: Does your belief make it so?, I’ve found Dr. Bruce Lipton to be a good resource. I'd suggest, “The Biology of Belief (https://www.amazon.com/Biology-Belief-PH-D-BRUCE-LIPTON/dp/B009NGAX5Y/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481660836&sr=1-4&keywords=biology+of+belief)." If funds are tight and you are unable to borrow a library copy, then here’s a link (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+biology+of+belief+audiobook&spfreload=10) to numerous videos of his lectures on beliefs.

Yes I am aware of mind training for positive effects, manifestation, etc. I can be quite good at it when I "set my mind to it" - however there does seem to be forces at play in my life that counteract my work. The targeting, for one. To call it torture, I think, is valid. And as anyone can attest to, torture involves being put in a compromised situation that cannot be escaped. Secondly, almost dovetailed it seems with the targeting, is a trend lately for me towards a very "yin" state of being - which is always tough for me since I like to be proactive, take the bull by the horns, git er done etc. Aside from being an aries, I am also a magna cum laude grad and post grad fellow, non profit founder, entrepreneur, philosopher, artist, whole foods preparer, and outside of the box thinker. The trend toward surrender and receptivity, the diminishment of my own will and ego, has been harrowing (and humbling) to say the least.

It is difficult to explain the process when one is in it - and the energies are flying so fast and furious these days that I am processing at lightning speed - shifts and breakthroughs are occurring on a daily basis.

I suppose only time will tell whether I am moving in a healthy direction, or one that will inevitably reveal itself as yet another false path in need of examination and revision.

RunningDeer, I thank you for your responses to my public ponderings. I always learn a lot, and grow in the process.

Thank you for your friendship, for your strength and courage, and for your love.

[Anjani]

I learned by experience that when we accidentaly or not made someone else feels miserable, ourselves will also feel miserable afterwards. Our hearts will point their fingers on us for it eventualy. Everytime in one of my family member felt miserable caused by other people we usually remind them that maybe the person that caused it is the one felt more miserable than them right then, they're the ones in need for love and compassion the most. And we advice just that. Give them some love and magic will happen. That theory was proven tho. It is not a rare circumstance in my family where we get to be good friends with the 'enemy' in the end. Once they received the love we're sending to them.

[Sean]

I am just curious. Has anybody here ever cursed anybody, or tried to curse somebody? I haven't, but I was very tempted once.

Am not advocating it, but I do understand it!

Yes. I'm not proud of it, but yes.

It was a few years ago, and I'd gone through a fairly nasty betrayal. An actor "friend" of mine, wanted me to help him with his weed operation. He wanted me to "mule" down major weight from Oregon to L.A. This was before things were as "cool" as it is now re: weed. anyway, I declined. I felt like he thought I was "expendable", and he knew I was hurting for money..felt like a set-up. things got spooky after that. I won't tell the whole long-ass story here, but, it escalated to a place where I thought I was being followed/targeted by him and his people..he was afraid of being exposed, I think. guy had a house with a $4600 monthly mortgage, and he was "subsidizing" his income.

Anyway, I had this little book on chaos magick. I was angry..and my visualization skills are excellent. I forget exactly which spell/method I used..but, it came down to me wishing him some SERIOUS harm. I think it worked, because this guy(who used to book an AMAZING amount of work), well, I stopped seeing him on TV as much. whereas before, I could barely turn the channel without seeing one of his commercials. I don't think he was actually hurt physically, but I do believe it had a negative effect.

The issue here is, the boomerang effect I think it had on me. I don't think it matters how justified I may think it was. what matters is intent and energy. I have the ability to put out a LOT of energy if I focus, and if that energy is negative, well, what goes around, comes around.

I wouldn't do that again. I think, instead of a direct assault, I'd find ways to mirror back any negativity directed at me.

[Hazelfern]

When I cursed the ground that someone walked on, it came right back to me.
Pray for those that curse you.