Offs off the Pizzagate thread

[Chester]

[Mod-edit: this and the following 8 posts originated in the "Pizzagate: pedophilia in American elite (with links to related threads) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94769-Pizzagate-pedophilia-in-American-elite--with-links-to-related-threads-)" and were moved to this new thread for a different facet of the investigation, Hervé]

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It is my opinion that the purported activities now being labeled "Pizzagate" but which really points to something massively bigger, massively more impacting is on par in significance to "the aliens among us" possibility.

For me, "Planetary Healing of the Satanic illness" is equally important and in fact joined at the hip with the desired "Disclosure of sentient alien activity and the Secret Space programs."

Just to share my personal opinion, I make odds high that everything I mentioned above is very, very real at the level of our shared reality.

[The Freedom Train]

It is my opinion that the purported activities now being labeled "Pizzagate" but which really points to something massively bigger, massively more impacting is on par in significance to "the aliens among us" possibility.

For me, "Planetary Healing of the Satanic illness" is equally important and in fact joined at the hip with the desired "Disclosure of sentient alien activity and the Secret Space programs."

Just to share my personal opinion, I make odds high that everything I mentioned above is very, very real at the level of our shared reality.

I am totally on the same page with you here. As wild and crazy as it may sound to the everyday person, it makes way more sense to me than a bunch of people all getting together and deciding to sexually abuse and kill children for fun.

As far as the satanic illness - a friend of mine recently called this a "satanic" world, which I considered to be fairly insightful. So if "satanic" means alien, then I would not be at all surprised.

[norman]

It is my opinion that the purported activities now being labeled "Pizzagate" but which really points to something massively bigger, massively more impacting is on par in significance to "the aliens among us" possibility.

For me, "Planetary Healing of the Satanic illness" is equally important and in fact joined at the hip with the desired "Disclosure of sentient alien activity and the Secret Space programs."

Just to share my personal opinion, I make odds high that everything I mentioned above is very, very real at the level of our shared reality.

I am totally on the same page with you here. As wild and crazy as it may sound to the everyday person, it makes way more sense to me than a bunch of people all getting together and deciding to sexually abuse and kill children for fun.

As far as the satanic illness - a friend of mine recently called this a "satanic" world, which I considered to be fairly insightful. So if "satanic" means alien, then I would not be at all surprised.

At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

[Hervé]

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At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

The ones which believe, claim and perpetuate by their teachings that humans are not sentient... they have "no soul"... they are animals! Which has been the excuse for any and all genocidal activities undertaken on earth and the rest of the universe. You know... goyim, infidels, miscreants, heretics, savages, barbarians, slaves, useless eaters, sheeples, zombies, clones, etc...

[norman]

Pot calls the kettle black then, I guess.

http://wallpapershome.com/images/wallpapers/nile-crocodile-3840x2160-reptilies-10123.jpg

[The Freedom Train]

At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

No doubt, and I cannot blame you for your skepticism. As plausible as the alien agenda is for me personally, I cannot blame anybody who considers it to be purely delusional.

And yet, it seems to make more sense to me than when what all is going on in this world is taken at face value.

One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.

[onawah]

But we are also given to understand that there was DNA from other, more evolved ET races in the mix on the planet at the time the Reptilians did their genetic tinkering to create the slave race, and more ETs came to the planet since then, so apparently that made things quite a bit more complicated...


At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

No doubt, and I cannot blame you for your skepticism. As plausible as the alien agenda is for me personally, I cannot blame anybody who considers it to be purely delusional.

And yet, it seems to make more sense to me than when what all is going on in this world is taken at face value.

One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.

[onawah]

And in any case, the Reptilians did not "create" a slave race, they just tinkered with what was already here, and the ET mix of DNA that came later created additional, and very different modifications. Or so we are told by various whistleblowers.

But we are also given to understand that there was DNA from other, more evolved ET races in the mix on the planet at the time the Reptilians did their genetic tinkering to create the slave race, and more ETs came to the planet since then, so apparently that made things quite a bit more complicated...


At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

No doubt, and I cannot blame you for your skepticism. As plausible as the alien agenda is for me personally, I cannot blame anybody who considers it to be purely delusional.

And yet, it seems to make more sense to me than when what all is going on in this world is taken at face value.

One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.

[The Freedom Train]

But we are also given to understand that there was DNA from other, more evolved ET races in the mix on the planet at the time the Reptilians did their genetic tinkering to create the slave race, and more ETs came to the planet since then, so apparently that made things quite a bit more complicated...

I too have had the sense that there are hybrids from a multitude of ET races here on the planet, and it does seem to be like a melting pot here. I have dowsed that my body is a hybrid of four species, one being indigenous to this planet (the fae). Just another theory of course and nothing I would go around asserting as absolute truth, but it is food for thought anyway.


And in any case, the Reptilians did not "create" a slave race, they just tinkered with what was already here, and the ET mix of DNA that came later created additional, and very different modifications. Or so we are told by various whistleblowers.

Agreed. As I realized on another thread, I think I should have fleshed out a bit more about my theory for it to make more sense.

"My theory involves the concept of what I call "creation bubbles" - wherein entire universes are bound in unique, individual "cells." Each universe is a product of a different "creator" - which if we think about the fact that every day we are all also creating as individual humans, is not too too hard to imagine. And as my theory goes, the creator of all original matter ((which would include original alien races)) within our creation bubble is a source of unselfish/unconditional/Divine love.

The Archons, I theorize, were injected into this creation bubble. It was an invasion from a different source of creation.

This may help explain why humans do have an inherent goodness to them - a potential for redemption and emotion. Our bodies were made of the stuff of this world - and all of the original stuff of this world was created out of love. SO despite the fact that we were made as a slave race, and despite the fact that we are being mind controlled and manipulated, we have a sense that, at heart, we are pure and good, because we are made of the stuff of this world of love.

Please keep in mind that I have nothing really to back this up - it is just a theory that came to mind one night as I was thinking about love and evil, and wondering why things are the way they are."

I have not done too much reading on ETs because I very quickly become overwhelmed by it all, not knowing what to believe. This theory I developed purely on my own, using my own intuition and dowsing. In many ways, it makes sense to me and answers questions like, if the source of all creation is made of love, how is it even possible that there is evil in this world? How could it have been created by love? That has never made sense to me. And so I found an explanation for it that seems as plausible to me as anything else currently on the table.

[etheric underground]

We were more evolved and sentient before the nephilim ( annunaki) spliced our DNA to dumb us down and make gold mining slave thugs....
Our perceptions of a universal consciousness was more advanced then compared to now. They are still trying to dumb us down to keep us
from returning to our full potential, for then we rise above their nefarious baby eating 3d/4d ways....

[The Freedom Train]

Pot calls the kettle black then, I guess.

http://wallpapershome.com/images/wallpapers/nile-crocodile-3840x2160-reptilies-10123.jpg

I don't get it

[norman]

[...]

At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

The ones which believe, claim and perpetuate by their teachings that humans are not sentient... they have "no soul"... they are animals! Which has been the excuse for any and all genocidal activities undertaken on earth and the rest of the universe. You know... goyim, infidels, miscreants, heretics, savages, barbarians, slaves, useless eaters, sheeples, zombies, clones, etc...

The Crock' pic' was in response to this.

"The Pot calling the kettle Black" is an English saying which means something like "who are they to talk". ( they are both black with the same soot ).

[The Freedom Train]

[...]

At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

The ones which believe, claim and perpetuate by their teachings that humans are not sentient... they have "no soul"... they are animals! Which has been the excuse for any and all genocidal activities undertaken on earth and the rest of the universe. You know... goyim, infidels, miscreants, heretics, savages, barbarians, slaves, useless eaters, sheeples, zombies, clones, etc...

The Crock' pic' was in response to this.

"The Pot calling the kettle Black" is an English saying which means something like "who are they to talk". ( they are both black with the same soot ).

Yes, but I still do not understand what you mean by it.

[ponda]

But we are also given to understand that there was DNA from other, more evolved ET races in the mix on the planet at the time the Reptilians did their genetic tinkering to create the slave race, and more ETs came to the planet since then, so apparently that made things quite a bit more complicated...


At that point the Rabbit hole splits into a thousand directions, which "aliens" ?

No doubt, and I cannot blame you for your skepticism. As plausible as the alien agenda is for me personally, I cannot blame anybody who considers it to be purely delusional.

And yet, it seems to make more sense to me than when what all is going on in this world is taken at face value.

One of my tentative personal theories is that the mantids greys and reps are organic creations/slave races of an AI (the archons). The reps then created humans as a slave race, and are being used by the archons to control us.


In my opinion alien genetic/species manipulation is multi-layered. If certain higher dimensional species were involved in, say, our genetics, then it could entirely be possible that there were other even higher dimensional influences/unknowns involved in 'their' species development and so on. This is fascinating to think about. Just how deep does the rabbit hole go or is it something completely different, such as, a reality simulation program or something else unknown ?

cheers

[The Freedom Train]

In my opinion alien genetic/species manipulation is multi-layered. If certain higher dimensional species were involved in, say, our genetics, then it could entirely be possible that there were other even higher dimensional influences/unknowns involved in 'their' species development and so on. This is fascinating to think about. Just how deep does the rabbit hole go or is it something completely different, such as, a reality simulation program or something else unknown ?

Absolutely. Anything could be possible, really. And all I have are some interesting ideas. Even my own experiences are subjective - I have no idea whether they are illusions, fabrications of psychotronic attack and programming, divine interventions, ET experimentation, all of the above, or something else entirely. All I can say I feel certain of, the only Truth I can really rally behind, is LOVE.

[ponda]

Here's a video/podcast that talks about child trafficking in general. Very interesting how prevalent it is and how much it is kept out of the news etc


Published on Dec 13, 2016

International child sex trafficking rings are real and they reach to the highest levels of government, business and entertainment.

Warning there are some possibly upsetting images that were painted by one of the victims from about the 24 minute mark



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQVRLrCbZs&t=2s

[DNA]

It is my opinion that the purported activities now being labeled "Pizzagate" but which really points to something massively bigger, massively more impacting is on par in significance to "the aliens among us" possibility.


It's funny you should state this.
It seems folks who have spent time diving in the ever so disorienting "Horus Ra as the Archonic Parasite" thread seem more capable of making this connection. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&highlight=horus


The more I look into the pizza-gate thing the more I see connections to Cathy O'Brien, and especially Bryce Taylor's work, and that connection appears to be the performing of horrible torture/sex acts on children and rituals leading up to and sometimes including death/sacrifice to satisfy some dark foreboding entity that grants favors in return.


The more I read the more I become convinced that there are non-physical entities embedded within these physical beings that feed on suffering and death.
The classical reactions is to state that they are demonic, and who is to state this is wrong, but alien does suffice and work regardless considering these beings were not originated in the bodies they now inhabit and could very well have come from another dimension or planet.


As Charles Forte stated back in his 1919 "The book of the damned" the only reason we aren't addressing the UFO phenomenon and treating it as the observable phenomenon that needs to be studied and recorded is because the occupants of such must have infiltrated our society's every vestige, from media, to politics to academics.

I look at the CIA's practice of MKULTRA and this whole pizzagate thing and part of me feels this is not human invention, black magic pedophiles from another dimension? Maybe. If so it certainly seems Forte had some kind of idea of the extent these beings manipulate and use us giving the title he gave his book an added significance.


For me, "Planetary Healing of the Satanic illness" is equally important and in fact joined at the hip with the desired "Disclosure of sentient alien activity and the Secret Space programs."

Just to share my personal opinion, I make odds high that everything I mentioned above is very, very real at the level of our shared reality.


When we look at the work of William Tompkins, and his statements that World War II was an alien war fought with human chess pieces, I often wonder where the German secret police developed what became MKULTRA? Did they in fact invent it? Or like their ant-gravity aircraft work, was it in fact given to them by the supposed reptilians Tompkins says gave them their anti-gravity technology?
As described by Cathy O'Brien and Bryce Taylor the MKULTRA torture/conditioning is pedophilic and satanic in so far as the rituals that accompany the torture. Are the rituals an added part of the torture? Or are the rituals meant to actually invoke entities and summon them?


Are these rituals being performed by the "agents" referred to by Charles Forte, who act on the behalf of an alien agency who own this planet and it's societies and through these agents operate within our society?
When contemplating these horrors I sometimes think this is the only thing that makes sense.

[onawah]

According to some whistleblowers, the "Loosh" that is created by extreme pain and fear is extremely delectable energy to regressive Reptilians, and I think that human elites who come under their sway are eventually overtaken and possessed by the Reptilians themselves.
Just reading and thinking about this is so difficult for normal human beings that that is probably one reason why this subject has remained under wraps for so long.
It's certainly depressing in the extreme, but more than that, it makes one feel contaminated just in knowing about it.
Much easier to hide and stay in denial. :sad:
But that, of course, in the long run just means more danger for the whole human race, and children especially.
I hope enough of us now have the courage to bring it all into the light.

[Yetti]

Hey Sam, what about the info about arrest made on hi personality's on the subject? some claims has been done but something like this is not easy to cover up at leas for long, so ias more of the usual disinfo or there is something there? The aternate news I refere are the Ben fulford and the usual combo..

[Innocent Warrior]

Cain and Abel, both farmers. Each sacrifices and offers to God. Abel sacrifices sheep, Cain sacrifices the best of his crop. God favours Abel for his sacrifice. Cain gets cranky and God tells him to do right to be accepted and Cain murders Abel, a bloody murder no less.

God banishes Cain and curses him, this curse protects Cain from being murdered by others and Cain goes on to build the first city. What a curse, poor, poor Cain. Sounds a lot more like salvation doesn’t it?

Who is this God? It actually hurts my head trying to understand how people believe this is the real story of the first two humans born, first one corrupted by God to become a murderer, the second murdered. And they actually believe that this is the one true God, divine creator of the universe. No.

Obviously this is not the story of our creation but did it happen in some form or fashion? I think so. Look at the world today, this has become a familiar story, over and over and over again, for those who have been accepted of course. So who was this diabolical creature who was believed to be God, this “Lord”? I don’t know but I suspect that if we are actually seeing some ET agenda playing out then those ETs have been around a very long time. Still spreading disinformation about our origins and who we are, always hiding the truth of who we are.

What is the true story of our creation? Who are we really? What is this truth that is evidently too terribly dangerous to this “Lord” for us to know? We can learn to answer these questions for ourselves, each of us as individuals has our own unique answer and all are true. The answers are within, always have been, always will be, nobody can answer this for anyone but themselves.

[Curious77]

As you say, anything is possible --

However, if it is the fact that pedophilia seems to be increasing in the population which is pushing this thinking, then I think we also have to understand that like the creation of "multiple personalities" via violence and sexual abuse, pedophilia can also be created by violence and sexual abuse -- especially when one is very young and when within family groups.

While I often feel that humans are unsuited to this planet suggesting that we are some kind of hybrid, we should also recognize that SATAN is the creation of the male-supremacist religions which came after the Old Religion. (Hebrew, RCC, Islam, as well.) And, obviously, Satan was created by elite patriarchy in order to hold the public in fear and submission. Remember also that organized patriarchal religions were introduced through violence -- "Introducing the cross with the sword."

The Old Religion was based in Nature -- as were women's beliefs.
Wicca (woman's wisdom) had nothing to do with Satan, but everything to do with knowledge of Nature.

As we look at the destructive nature of male-supremacist religions we see that the Hebrew Old Testament was written to cement patriarchy. THAT is what Jesus is standing against. And that is why even today the reality of Mary as his wife and confidant is still hidden.

Then look at the destruction of Nature by organized patriarchal religions, especially in regard to "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" which are concepts which gave license to destruction of Nature.
These concepts are totally suicidal for humans and the planet as we see in Global Warming. Nature, herself, is NOT suicidal.

Look at our own Founders and their creation of an Elite patriarchy, endowing them with land grants and giving them immense influence and control over our government. Their violence in enslaving Africans here and genocide vs the native American. And in both of those situations, we see human trafficking and the
kidnapping of children and sexual abuse of children and adults.

The violence of the RCC is not to be ignored in its rise by Crusades and Inquisition moving it forward.
The very reality of the RCC has been involvement with sexual abuse of children over 2000 years.

Both the Hebrew religion and RCC have taught Satanism and been involved with violent rituals.

Again, pedophiles can be created and that is what has been happening here. And these males have been used and blackmailed into doing the will of Elite patriarchy for control of nations.

One thing humans have very much in common with all other animal life is the pre-condition to be frightened into submission. We have never found an answer to the violence of the few.