Why has the recent US presidential election created so much polarization on the Avalon Forum?

[Chester]

Hi All,

I love this forum and it is a little sad to see so much polarization among folks who in so many cases in the past I observed to be predominantly kind and friendly towards each other now all too often at each others' throats.

So I hope this thread can be used to work this out if folks wish to do so. I sure do.

So I ask... why has this happened here on the Project Avalon forum? I am ready and willing to share my thoughts on why and to do so at the various levels of being I perceive us each to experience. I will do so in due course but I hope a few others would respond first as I don't like asking a question which I immediately answer because that feels like coercion to me.

[DNA]

I've wanted to say something about this for a while but I haven't figured out the right way to state it.


For starters I will say this, most of us growing up in the USA have been programmed to believe they are a democrat or republican, it's important to note this and to not make to lightly of it. Many of us claim to have grown past party politics to the point we can claim we are political atheists, but quite often we do not realize how ingrained and pervasive this repetitive assault's success on our consciousness has been and that it has grown deeper roots than we would like to acknowledge.
I thought I was free of this myself some years ago, and I found myself defending Obama back in 2010, before I knew just how bad he was.
This is part of it.


Another part of it would be the current media barrage we are getting about fake news.
I personally believe there is some form of "eye of sauron", or "agent smith" type mind control going on that accompanies this message. I'll get off facebook and or a MSM website and find within myself this miniscule self doubt regarding my opinions based on alternative news. I can't help but to think our collective unconscious is under some type of attack here.


I think there are those on this forum of whom this forum may be their only source of alternative media, and as such the MSM still has a firm grip on them.
For those of us who have exposed ourselves to works such as Bryce Taylor's "thanks for the memories", and Kathy O'Brian's "Trance America" there is a foundation that has been laid that allows a understanding for what pizzagate truly is.
For those who do not know about Bohemain Grove and the ritual to Moloch they perform, and the "conspiracy of silence" video on youtube documenting instances of Washington DC pedophilia, for those folks this pizzagate thing is outlandish and they are more concerned about the sexism displayed by Trump in some 20 year old conversation.


And I will go back to the current war being waged on the alternative media.
I have family members who are currently being activated by this, and as a result will have little to nothing to do with me, as if I'm now a dangerous person to be around because of my views. Views of which these folks have known I've had for decades.
It is not I that have changed, it is this current programming that is being pumped into the collective unconscious in my opinion.


It is probably very tempting for some to give in to this programming, rather than face the dark insidious underbelly of our very Government in these strange times.
I for one will not, and I hope those reading this will not give into it either.

[Jantje]

Well maybe politics is by design a device that divides people. So people can be ruled when they argue amongst each other.
It's not like citizens get to choose what they want or don't want to be allowed.
They only get to choose whoever it is that makes these descisions. And then you get more arguments about those descisions.
My idea is that politics divides people. Everywhere even here

[ceetee9]

Hi All,

I love this forum and it is a little sad to see so much polarization among folks who in so many cases in the past I observed to be predominantly kind and friendly towards each other now all too often at each others' throats.

So I hope this thread can be used to work this out if folks wish to do so. I sure do.

So I ask... why has this happened here on the Project Avalon forum? I am ready and willing to share my thoughts on why and to do so at the various levels of being I perceive us each to experience. I will do so in due course but I hope a few others would respond first as I don't like asking a question which I immediately answer because that feels like coercion to me.Rather than regurgitate my response to your question Sam, I'll just link to it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1120246&viewfull=1#post1120246).

[Silo]

NJCJpmUAy0s

Scott Adams creator of Dilbert, deconstructs the persuasion used by the candidates. They start talking about the election around the 7 min mark.

[Lifebringer]

America's competitiveness for being on the winning team, occasionally during election seasons, drives them over the deep end with sometimes hidden conversations made public.
IDK if there's "enough heart left in this nation" to turn this tide.
I've given it over to creator, breaks my heart daily.

[Cidersomerset]

Ironically I usually lean centre 'leftish' in UK politics and I am a trade unionist,
but I was drawn to Trump mainly because in my view Hillary was unelectable .
Also Donald is not a true right winger from what I can see and although US/UK
politics do not directly translate , the working man/woman are the backbone
of any economy and I think his heart is in the right place.Whether he can keep
to his spin and rhetoric of the election campaign and drain the swamp will be
interesting considering some of his picks so far .

It looks to me he is trying to bring a management style to the White House
and this may be the key for him personally and hopefully it will work and
if nothing else he can reduce the lobby system . Internationally I hope he
can reduce tensions by staying fully engaged but without the threats and
escalating the threat of a new cold war, which has become very close over
the past decade....

Of course the other part is if he will be able to govern or be hampered by the
hidden state ? Will he get the JFK speech ? or will they leave him as a maverick
President and rebuild in the shadows ? four possibly eight years is not long in the
scheme of things....


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James Corbetts views of the current media events .....mainly 'Fake' news...


The Abnormalization of Dissent

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Published on 13 Dec 2016


SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=20792

The spin, lies, manipulation and deceptions are coming so fast and thick it's increasingly
difficult to document them all, let alone analyze them. But in the broad sweep of recent
events we can see a common theme emerging: the abnormalization of dissent. And
when political ideology boils down to nothing more than "real" and "fake" the control
of political discourse through language itself is almost complete. Can outright
censorship be far behind?

[Carmody]

The methodology of 'abnormalization' is done in an atmosphere of confidence. For a very good reason. taken from another thread:



The reason news works so well, is buried deep in the human psyche. Why 'soon' and 'hope' work so well at creating or maintaining inaction:


It's that old predator-prey system, the one that operates on the single deepest fear and survival mechanism.

The oldest form of news you know of, is the one where the predator kills and eats the monkeys on the edge of the herd.

The monkeys who stay in the middle and avoid the edge, they live and prosper.

Your genetics have been altered by the fates, over many hundreds of thousands of years, into a 'herd edge watchfulness'.

News, of any kind, gives you the same story, it informs the survival mechanism that is always alert.

To watch the other monkeys who are on the herd edge, even watch some die..but always be safe, as you move always to the center.

You are wired to avoid action, to respond to the news (herd edge behaviour as conditioned response)...and that is your own hook you are controlled by.... and it is your undoing.

You may not be acting on what you should be and you may be placated by news and the consensus creating mechanisms like TV, etc....but now you know why.

And that.....can change things.

The 'pull' from the other side of the equation is just as potent.

The origins of confidence. How it came into being. feeling safe. Fear, death-chance...decision, confidence. In that order, sort of. If one monkey or proto-human makes a confident move or motion, then it has gone through the process of life risk assessment and if you (as an ancient proto-human) see it move confidently then your primal instincts are less in the forefront and their decision is 'honored' to some degree (honored by the depths of your unconscious).

The proto-humans lived and moved and breathed as a team, with co-joined outward physicality and response patterns.

It is no small wonder then, that one can fall prey to a million different forms of confidence games.

As part of the decision process has no thought in it. Literally.

To free yourself from what can be manipulated into being weakness, this must be a conscious understanding until it becomes a conscious pattern of knowing about it's pitfalls. Lapses will be the norm. After all, it is instinctive and physiological in scope. You will fall back into the pattern as this is what the outer world reflects back to you in every breath. For all of your life.

How our brains are biologically tuned to be influenced by confident people (http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-12-brains-biologically-tuned-confident-people.html)


Scientists have uncovered that the added influence of confident people may be down to our biology.

By studying brain activity, academics discerned that human brains are geared for placing added value on opinions of confident people.

The research, published today in the Journal of Neuroscience and led by University of Sussex psychologist Dr Daniel Campbell-Meiklejohn, pinpointed a region of the brain that responds to confident (but not unconfident) opinions of others when making decisions.

The scientists examined the active brains of 23 healthy volunteers and found that expectations of success could be influenced by three key elements: personal experience, learning what the majority people believe and, most importantly, learning what confident people believe.

The first two had widespread effects on the brain's reward system, which predicts how satisfied we will be when we choose something. Opinions of confident people, however, had an additional effect on this reward system – and only in a part of the brain that appeared late in our evolution................

[Olam]

Thats what politics have been invented for, divide and conquer.
We, the humans as a whole will never win as long as the poly/tics persist.

If you ask me, the alternative is personal sovereignty.
If a critical mass of humans had achieved personal sovereignty,
the organization for the masses would come together naturally, organically.
Why?
Because to achieve personal sovereignty, you need to change from the inside and gain all the qualities you wished everybody else had.
Then at that level of exsistance, ..compassion, cooperation and "brotherhood" would be the base level of society, and so then, who needs some dude in a suit and tie to tell us how it should be?
Really, its not that difficult to imagine once we stop thinking we need some other leader than ourselves to have the positive results.
:-)

[Nasu]

By its very nature, being a two brained option, the process of choosing between two things, views, religions, whatever, is easy if we want either of the choices. When we want neither of the choices however, two choices is too many.

Events have left us all a bit shook up, for one reason or another. Everywhere we look we find people to disagree with us, the remainers over the leavers over the regrexiters, those who trumped Hillary, those greedy native Americans who won't let the innocent whites put pipelines under their river, slowing progress, the masses of Sirian refugees and their neighbours who now wander through the EU looking for a handout or just for a stable for the night... Etc... Etc..

Division is everywhere. If we let it grow within us. If we don't, then it is just diversity and history, just let it wash against our shores to be observed with compassion. Don't let the fù(&$ get you down. I love the diversity of this place, I love all of you, warts and all....x.... N

[wnlight]

Diversity of thought is good. It is good for me because I can still (at 73 years) be convinced when I am wrong. I like to think that I have an open mind, but there are times when some shouting and head knocking will do wonders for me. I am glad that the PA forum has a 'Thanks' button and not a 'No Thanks' button, or worse.

[sommervr]

It is all anger and fear that is driving the polarization. Primariliy anger on the side of the Trump supporters and primarily fear on the other side. In my opinion nobody is as stupid as they seem and everyone knows deep down that the emperor has no clothes. Trump supporters are rocking the boat and the other side is just trying to lay low and survive. Not everyone has an appetite for this fight.

[Billy]

Sam, your thread question reminded me of something i posted a few weeks ago in another thread. I shall repost it here.


There has been quite a few mentions of different polarities in this thread. For example, left and right as far as political opinions go. Being balanced has also been mentioned. But what exactly is being in a balanced state mean.?

What I have learned through my lives journey, is that there is a balanced positive and an unbalanced positive, a balanced negative and unbalanced negative. When a balanced positive and a balanced negative meet in the middle of the person, that person becomes balanced.
It is the same with left and right in the political arena. There are unbalanced left supporters and balanced left supporters, unbalanced right supporters and balanced right supporters. The solution's are to be found somewhere in the neutral centre's of both balanced energies.

We are all aware that the world is riding a storm at this time. Crazy times indeed. Emotions are heightened but we all know the value of riding this storm together. During the Scottish referendum and brexit I made myself a promise that I would not lose good friends because of different political opinions. My friends and I had hot debates but that promise worked. The love and care I have for my friends way outweighed any political outcome.

My inner intentions are for all outcomes to be for the betterment of all.

We can all do this if we stick together and focus more on solutions, rather than dramatic unbalanced fear porn.

Love to all :heart: :grouphug:

[Foxie Loxie]

I always enjoy reading everyone's postings. Olam, I like the personal sovereignty angle....after all that is all any of us can truly control...ourselves!(hopefully) :o

[WhiteLove]

Good question, with so much money and energy being put into racing each candidate people are under stress, the type of stress that confuses people. People are so heavily influenced by various types of attacks on the candidates, at some point somebody draws the line, but some draw it earlier than others, hence it becomes sensitive. Add on top of this those that take an extremely one sided position, profiles like Alex Jones, now all of a sudden groupings are formed in the alternative politics as well. On top of this you have a mixed bag when it comes to views on religion, spirituality etc. so it can become strongly biased towards certain separate and distant positions.

But wheter you are on side A B C D... the important thing I want to bring attention to is the fact that in a world bathing in truth there is peace that resolves the distance and separation, so collectively we need to focus on truth. When we do this we also discover love and peace and in this process we become one fully united people representing humanity on earth at this time. But this kind of reality is nothing like the current reality - nations, weapons and all of the stuff that represents battle no longer serves the people a purpose because in peace you no longer have the battle. In a world of peace the emotional depth increases dramatically, people can communicate through telemphathy. Everybody forgive and are kind and collectively we remove limitations that have caused us pain for centuries. Everything is created for the benefit of the collective, we are living our dreams towards the dreams of the collective. This is a world I want to experience, peace, truth and love is what makes us happy, the less limitations attached to those the more joyful the collective is and the more kind we are to our planet and mother nature. Having this in our future is worth everything. We should every day on an individual basis strive for truth, peace and love, especially unconditional love.

[Cara]

When I read through the comments and thoughts expressed here, it makes me think of the desperately difficult and troubled times during my childhood in South Africa.... And then I think of Codesa, the Truth and Reconciliation Commisssion, Archbishop Tutu and the "protest" movement and its musicians, actors and artists.

For me one of the outpourings of the "soul of a people" from that time is this song - Weeping by Bright Blue. It always makes me cry, even all these years later and many, many listens... I guess there is still a deep well of emotion to surface....

Maybe for some there are deep emotions to surface in this case too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdyu_jcLYW8

Lyrics:


WEEPING
Written by Dan Heymann
(Copyright Bright Blue)
______________________________
I knew a man who lived in fear
It was huge, it was angry, it was drawing near
Behind his house, a secret place
Was the shadow of the demon he could never face
He built a wall of steel and flame
And men with guns, to keep it tame
Then standing back, he made it plain
That the nightmare would never ever rise again
But the fear and the fire and the guns remain

It doesn’t matter now
It’s over anyhow
He tells the world that it’s sleeping
But as the night came round
I heard its lonely sound
It wasn’t roaring, it was weeping

And then one day the neighbors came
They were curious to know about the smoke and flame
They stood around outside the wall
But of course there was nothing to be heard at all
"My friends," he said, "We’ve reached our goal
The threat is under firm control
As long as peace and order reign
I’ll be damned if I can see a reason to explain
Why the fear and the fire and the guns remain"


For me the most powerful words in the song are: "it wasn't roaring, it was weeping"... Though the whole song and its video are powerful in expressing the raw wounds, blindness and grief of the time.

[Ewan]

I was formulating my own reply as I read through the thread, pretty much everything I had to say has already been mentioned by others. I had been going to mention that perhaps we were programmed on a deep level, in our very genetics, to be placid, good slaves. Living in ignorance and rejecting any sign of an upsetting of the apple cart. Than I read Carmody's post and short of suggesting that perhaps our DNA was made that way by our 'creators' there is nothing to add there either.

Like you DNA, I have found myself questioning (paraphrasing) if I actually am a conspiracy nut. Up to now I'm still holding firm.

There was talk earlier in the year, or perhaps last year, of the Sun entering a part of the universe that would see an increase in energy. The planet would pass through a wave of higher energy, it was mooted that this would bring a great amount of turmoil. As Billy talked about balance I imagine the unbalanced would fare less well in such a case, leading to reactionary emotional outbursts. The balanced, under pressure, forge stronger or will also break. It does seem to me at this time that the reality of this energy wave is apparent all around us, and this may just be the beginning.

I've been noting for a while an increasing polarity developing in sections of the forum over several subjects. Mayhaps this is a time for internal reflections and not one for external reinforcements.

[AutumnW]

We are all struggling and we are all scared. If you are not, at least uneasy about the political landscape, right or left, up or down, you're not awake. And people will disagree and that's okay. It's important to express your own ideas while listening carefully to what others have to say.

I have read and heard some pretty wrong headed things about the pro-Trump crowd and have spent a lot of time and nearly gotten into fights defending them. I have heard they are all racists, not bright and yadayadayada from some anti-Trump people.

But I have also heard some truly ridiculous things coming from pro-Trump crowd about the anti Trump crowd that are rarely true. That they all fear change and support Hillary, for starters.

These myths have to be dispelled. Disagreement is fine. It isn't good if it is built on a foundation of myth.

[bettye198]

Thank you all, and DNA. I agree with the concepts brought up. People have thought me crazy when I say I do not watch sports or care for any Olympic feat. I find competition is the dividing rod. It makes me more than you and it always brings up rejection, hurt, shame, jealousy, rage, even fraud and unhealthy standards toward the physical body. Why is competition so accepted? Look at real estate or any marketing group or business in general? In politics it creates chaos and feelings untapped. It is a madness that dissociates good people.

[bluestflame]

don't they have tech to amplify emotions ? steer them / heighten them ?

[zen deik]

Power and control.... Driven by fear and the seven deadly character defects we ban together for a better chance at getting what we want or think we need...

[Chester]

Thanks for the responses so far. One thing that stuck out to me was that most of the responses appear to discuss the actions and reactions of folks outside of the Avalon Forum. My question was meant to focus solely upon the members here on the Avalon Forum... a group of people I had come to know as folks who in many cases have risen above the rest with regards to their understandings of our world (and reality at all its levels and potentialities) and by so doing had raised their level of being and raised their level of interaction with other members... again, for the most part.

Yet what I observed on this forum was a breakdown of what I will call The Project Avalon Standard and in some cases quite extreme and in some cases led to behaviors that resulted in bannings (where the mod staff had little or no choice), retirements (in some cases - members who had been excellent contributing members)... and I observed previously good relationships between individual members no longer so or rapidly deteriorating into no longer being so.

I am I probably contributed to this as well. In being completely transparent, I will admit I became a much different member - a member that wrote doizens of posts that I then cancelled before submitting when I considered the reaction I might get from folks here I do not in any way wish to alienate.

I made one post early on where I laid out my case for who I supported (which was really a case against the other). I soon saw the polarity and did my best not to stir the pot though there were times I would read a post and thanked it knowing even my thanks would anger others (and thus I thanked less than 10% of the posts I wanted to thank) or where I got some information I felt was important for others to have the chance to read and/or experience (if video) and I posted it (later to see that some folks were inflamed)... but wow, what I saw here really made me wonder... made me wonder how much I have actually grown (from the perspective of others as much as my own)... made me wonder how much any of us members here have grown (perhaps the ones who remained mostly or completely silent may be examples of the human being led by light) and it made me wonder if the bottom line of it all is that when it comes down to something which any Earth born and raised human being also sees as hugely important, something that may threaten their survival... something that might threaten their deepest ideology which has become so embedded within them that the ideology essentially defines them... that when this something becomes this powerful, this consuming that even the very most "evolved" human being which may find themselves in this position can end up acting in ways that most of us view as the darker side of the human being.

Again, save for those who essentially remained silent maybe? Or maybe not?

What a dilemma - perhaps this dynamic of voicing versus silence is something that has no right or wrong. Perhaps this is just a condition I must accept as part of the big picture when a being such as I manifest in a shared reality among all but infinite others who have done the same within the same shared reality.

[greybeard]

Its almost back to business as usual on the forum Sam--or am I just being positive?
Ch

[TargeT]

Yet what I observed on this forum was a breakdown of what I will call The Project Avalon Standard and in some cases quite extreme and in some cases led to behaviors that resulted in bannings (where the mod staff had little or no choice), retirements (in some cases - members who had been excellent contributing members)... and I observed previously good relationships between individual members no longer so or rapidly deteriorating into no longer being so.


But really, it's what... a handful of members?

I can think of less than a dozen that have I would consider "caught up" by this political drama (I include myself in it, as I've been staunchly "conservative" despite my best efforts to be neutral..).

Ok tangent time.

An interesting thing I've noted post-emotional engagement is the pervasiveness of regret. When people become super emotional they often take actions they later regret or consider "out of character".

Now I'm fairly certain I'm as human as the rest of you, and I assume that what I experience during strong emotional moments (political discussion certainly counts) is the same as the rest of you. This,,,,urge; i guess I'd call it, to do things I would normally not do.. Reply to a post when it's not needed, off topic, or just to "get a word in".

I've been sort of meaning to formulate this into a more cohesive idea, but I think, in times of high emotion, in times of intoxication (for me it's a HIGH level of intoxication) (BOTH are drugs BTW.. Both involve chemical's present in the brain that are not there in high amounts during the course of a normal day).

I've not gone further with the idea than that, but if you tie it into "loosh" harvesting, Extra Dimensional entities etc... well, maybe there's something there?


Either way, I don't blame the person when they have these moments of what I think of as "outside influence".. It does seem that the more you indulge in these moments (and they ARE indulged in... you CAN ignore the urge, it's difficult but doable) the more likely you are to continue to do so... & not see anything wrong with it (other than some weird latent guilt and regret... but that will come out in another emotional outburst, so win win for the "influencer").

Is that too esoteric of an answer? (it almost is, for me).


Or maybe it's something else.. I do keep coming back to this idea, must be something to it.

[Ewan]

Thanks for the responses so far. One thing that stuck out to me was that most of the responses appear to discuss the actions and reactions of folks outside of the Avalon Forum. My question was meant to focus solely upon the members here on the Avalon Forum... a group of people I had come to know as folks who in many cases have risen above the rest with regards to their understandings of our world (and reality at all its levels and potentialities) and by so doing had raised their level of being and raised their level of interaction with other members... again, for the most part.

Yet what I observed on this forum was a breakdown of what I will call The Project Avalon Standard and in some cases quite extreme and in some cases led to behaviors that resulted in bannings (where the mod staff had little or no choice), retirements (in some cases - members who had been excellent contributing members)... and I observed previously good relationships between individual members no longer so or rapidly deteriorating into no longer being so.

I am I probably contributed to this as well. In being completely transparent, I will admit I became a much different member - a member that wrote doizens of posts that I then cancelled before submitting when I considered the reaction I might get from folks here I do not in any way wish to alienate.

I made one post early on where I laid out my case for who I supported (which was really a case against the other). I soon saw the polarity and did my best not to stir the pot though there were times I would read a post and thanked it knowing even my thanks would anger others (and thus I thanked less than 10% of the posts I wanted to thank) or where I got some information I felt was important for others to have the chance to read and/or experience (if video) and I posted it (later to see that some folks were inflamed)... but wow, what I saw here really made me wonder... made me wonder how much I have actually grown (from the perspective of others as much as my own)... made me wonder how much any of us members here have grown (perhaps the ones who remained mostly or completely silent may be examples of the human being led by light) and it made me wonder if the bottom line of it all is that when it comes down to something which any Earth born and raised human being also sees as hugely important, something that may threaten their survival... something that might threaten their deepest ideology which has become so embedded within them that the ideology essentially defines them... that when this something becomes this powerful, this consuming that even the very most "evolved" human being which may find themselves in this position can end up acting in ways that most of us view as the darker side of the human being.

Again, save for those who essentially remained silent maybe? Or maybe not?

What a dilemma - perhaps this dynamic of voicing versus silence is something that has no right or wrong. Perhaps this is just a condition I must accept as part of the big picture when a being such as I manifest in a shared reality among all but infinite others who have done the same within the same shared reality.

I often thank a post I don't agree with for it gives me a counterpoint to examine at my leisure.

Mostly I don't respond when I sense someone's view appears entrenched, and to offer a counterpoint at that juncture would be futile - if all it did was promote a negative reaction.

I could sometimes choose to be confrontational, but on a text basis only it is unlikely to be seen as helpful. Cowardice could be another reason to remain silent. :)

At the end of the day I find myself thanking less and less in case it is misconstrued. :D

I do believe there is a very real danger of falling into a trap of confirmation bias, which would be another reason to thank the posts that unsettle you - for it gives you an opportunity to decide that person is nuts and you were right all along. :D :D

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well the strange thing is no one liked either choice, the arguments weren't protecting a favorite, it was a pound on the other because mine has to be better than that arguments...

So, with no real like of either, why did it become so passionate to create such fury?

Both sides are so terrified of the other, was it a life or death primal instinct coming out?

[TargeT]

So, with no real like of either, why did it become so passionate to create such fury?

Because even when you think your brother is a worthless asshole, you'll defend him against "outsiders" right?

It's because "we" see OUR SELVES as a part of the same thing which ever side we support is.. We make it personal and see attacks on the party or candidate as attacks on ourselves (probably this is mostly unconcious, but that's what it is from my observation). This goes back to tribalism and survival tactics.


Both sides are so terrified of the other, was it a life or death primal instinct coming out?

That's exactly it.... When a strongly held belief (and political beliefs certainly qualify) is challanged, humans respond in a fight/flight/freeze response..a Primal reptilian brain survival response.. Adrenaline spikes, short term memory loss occurs... it's insane!

Time for me to reference my favorite video again (the first 10 min of this video eloquently explains this situation)
dbh5l0b2-0o

Pretty sure I've posted that video on this forum at least 20 times by now.. haha

[Ewan]

dbh5l0b2-0o

Pretty sure I've posted that video on this forum at least 20 times by now.. haha

At least three that I remember but it is well worth it. It should be on every curriculum, imagine the difference if every student spent the first 5 - 10 minutes on that rather than saluting a coloured flag or chanting 'god is great'.

[shaberon]

Sam, I thought this was an interesting question, but that's exactly what I was wondering: how would you get a direct answer unless it was from those banned/retired members?

I ignored the election so I really didn't pay attention to most of the posts about it. So I missed the fireworks. People usually aren't very good at rhetoric or persuasion are they?

[Chester]

Actually, the last several answers were very helpful for me personally. It has made me look at the possibility that I am having a hard time letting it all go... far harder than most of the rest of the folks here at Project Avalon.

:embarassed:

...but trying my best to be honest.

[RunningDeer]

Pretty sure I've posted that video on this forum at least 20 times by now..

At least three that I remember but it is well worth it. It should be on every curriculum, imagine the difference if every student spent the first 5 - 10 minutes on that rather than saluting a coloured flag or chanting 'god is great'.
There's a thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88122-Athene-s-Theory-of-Everything--plus-outline-&p=1036654&viewfull=1#post1036654), and will add it here as well.

Athene's Theory of Everything is a 50 minute video with the main point being self-aware. Included is an outline with time links for those that prefer to digest in sections.

Here's the transcript of the video - Athene’s Theory of Everything.pdf (http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/16068/athene%2527s%2Btheory%2Bof%2Beverything.pdf) - (some parts are incomplete)

Opening statement:

The following documentary presents new developments in neuroscience and a solution to the many current unsolved problems in physics. While it keeps clear of metaphysical correlations and is solely focused on scientifically verifiable data, it also has philosophical repercussions pertaining to life, death and the origin of the universe.

Due to its many layers and density in presentation, it may require multiple viewings to fully comprehend its implications, even though considerable efforts has been made to simplify the complex scientific concepts that are discussed.


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Chapter One: God is in the neurons - 1:23 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=1m2s)


Part 1: Social Neuroscience - 2:55 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=2m55s)

Part 2: Mirror Neurons & Consciousness - 5:23 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=5m23s)

Part 3: God Is in the Neurons - 10:30 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=10m30s)

Part 4: I am Athene - 12:57 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=12m57s)


Chapter Two: The Grand Scheme of Things - 21:06 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=21m6s)


Introduction - 21:26 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=21m26s)

Intro continued - Einstein’s Theory of Relativity - 22:56 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=22m56s)

Intro continued - Quantum Physics - 24:22 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=24m22s)


Chapter Two (continued)

Part 1: De Broglie’s Equations - 25:50 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=25m50s)

Part 2: Antimatter & Unperturbed Time - 29:04 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=29m4s)

Part 3: Theory of Everything - 32:47 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=32m47s)




a) Quanta & Continuity - 33:33 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=33m33s)
b) Quantum Superposition - 38:22 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=38m22s)
c) Time - 40:32 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=40m32s)
d) Neurological Implications - 43:59 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=43m59s)
e) A Limited Interpretation - 45:38 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=45m38s)



Epilogue - 46:46 (https://youtu.be/dbh5l0b2-0o?t=46m46s)

[TargeT]

At least three that I remember but it is well worth it.

I'm up to about 30 watches all the way through, it's far to dense to take away much from just 1 viewing.

[DeDukshyn]

Well, I have sort of seen this thread before but somehow didn't really "see" it ... now I did, then came to say how I didn't really notice too much division - the odd debate here or there, occasional argument, but I didn't really see it.

Didn't really see this thread either ... saw it but didn't really see the "avalon forum" part ... We all have selective vision - "selective input" in which our subconscious places within our consciousness, that which is like minded (either with, or in opposition of - no matter, it just has to be there) in some way to that which we occupy our minds with. Ever bought a new vehicle, then suddenly saw that vehicle in that colour everywhere, but never noticed them before? A perfect example.

Not sure if this is even at all on topic, but suppose we apply this principle to everything we perceive ... isn't everything really about or own views and perspectives then? Not anyone else's? It's a tough reminder.

I might be off topic, not sure - just got back from christmas party :)

[shaberon]

It has made me look at the possibility that I am having a hard time letting it all go...

Yeah, that's one of those things that's easy to toss around as a piece of advice, but actually living through it is usually a more difficult thing. When I signed on here, I also joined another forum and within the first few posts, someone was making crass remarks to me personally, so it wasn't hard to drop that one. Once you put years into something--and, whatever happened, Avalon does have a better standard than 90% of the net--it's a different story.

I tend to like it here but "in real life" I usually have to let go of...everything that is right in front of me. It's very disturbing, but the real crucifixion/resurrection is simply going to kill the "me" that gets disturbed by it. I can feel the energy of whatever lives through that kind of death, but honestly, can I "become" it just by being aware of these things? Not really.

I won my state karate sparring one time in the following fashion: I scored with a non-contact face jab 1/2 point and the referee said stop. I stopped. After that, the opponent hit me with a non-karate boxing hook punch right in the nose--he lost 1/2 point because he had been told to stop. The fight was stopped for medical reasons and I have a gold medal for it. My nose bled for the rest of the tournament. I had to drive my self home with one hand for two hours, my nose constantly bled while I was wearing out paper towels. After I got home, it bled for about two hours. After the six hour nose bleed, I wound up with two black eyes. That punch was no joke. I don't recommend anyone trying this in a physical sense, but, mentally, maybe after you dry out that nose bleed you'll find a gold medal in your hands.