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WhiteLove

25th December 2016, 17:46

I found this interesting article about a UFO that has been discovered that might be at least 100 times the size of earth.

"This UFO sighting is reporting a craft, or whatever something this huge would be designated since no precedent exists, that would be a UFO at least 100 times larger than Earth. For perspective, the UFO in the movie Independence Day caused slight tremors on the moon as it approached. The UFO in this sighting, if on a similar trajectory as the craft in the movie and in possession of Type IV technology, would likely have obliterated the solar system on its path inbound."

http://www.inquisitr.com/3793418/ufo-sighting-did-someone-discover-a-kardashev-type-iv-civilization/

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mojo

25th December 2016, 20:21

Hi Interesting timing as listening to the coast to coast show last night "somewhere in time episode," from Aug 1997, and Michio Kaku was on talking about type 0,1,2,3 & 4 type civilizations. He said a type 4 is like The Q in Star Trek Next Generations... Therefore it could be from a type, 2 or 3 as well.

Bill Ryan

26th December 2016, 03:04

WhiteLove

26th December 2016, 14:36

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Here's an interesting rule-of-thumb web page about the various methods of measuring the distances of galactic objects from Earth.

http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question39.html

There's absolutely nothing in the video, as best I can see, that shows that the guy knows anything about this. He's assuming that just because an object is seen near or against the Orion Nebula, it must be the same distance away.

It could readily be a small object in our atmosphere. (And that might be a little more likely!)

Hmm... Try to stop the video at 0:18, please have a look at the three stars (Orion's belt? the star Alnitak is 19 times the diameter of our sun) to the left, they are pretty big at this point, maybe they are just really huge stars, but what I pay attention to also is that they appear to get very large and quite near/zoomed in, while the object we are looking at is still a bit in the distance, maybe just an illusion but at 0:18.5 the one of those three stars I mentioned that is most to the right is now very big and the object still appears to be quite far away still and I am not sure but it almost appears as if the zoom accelerates, but this is typical for a software that zooms in an object very far away and when it comes near it appears as if the zoom is accelerating. I'm not sure but to me it appears really far away due to those stars I mentioned, when the object is fully zoomed in it's like it's so far away that very few additional stars are picked up at this distance, mostly just dust. And then on the black image it turns very wide, to me it almost looks like a gigantic belt of huge rocks floating freely, but so big that they appear star sized. I find 100 earths to be too little in this case, like on the first picture I can't see a single planet at all on the whole image and when you think about our sun is more than 100 times bigger than earth (measured by its diameter), then this object appears to be really enormous in size! In fact I find it to be so big that I'm suspecting it has been ingested/faked into the image... But if this is real I feel we are looking at something so profound that it's unbelievable... At 1:22 it is claimed to be 1350 light years (I'm not sure what that is referring to, but I think it is the middle star of the Orion's belt they are referring to), that is in that case 1350 * 9.461 * 10^12 km away and the object almost even appears to be a little in the background! Anything this wide as a discrete object in such a context I feel like is either faked in there or is some UFO so profound in size that it totally changes our perception of what a UFO can be. If this is real it must be one of the most profound UFO images I've ever seen...

Bill Ryan

26th December 2016, 15:41

at 0:18.5 the one of those three stars I mentioned that is most to the right is now very big and the object still appears to be quite far away still

Yes, but how do you know??

If you will forgive me for saying what seems to me to be obvious, it's 100% illogical to assume that anything at all in the field of view (like an insect, a bird, a balloon or a UFO :) ) is 1,350 light years away.

WhiteLove

26th December 2016, 16:00

at 0:18.5 the one of those three stars I mentioned that is most to the right is now very big and the object still appears to be quite far away still

Yes, but how do you know?

If you will forgive me for saying what seems to me to be obvious, it's 100% illogical to assume that anything at all in the field of view (like an insect, a bird, a balloon or a UFO :) ) is 1,350 light years away.

To be honest I was thinking that maybe someone has the picture displayed on a very clean computer screen and there is some dust on it in the middle that becomes huge when you zoom in. :) But because it has some light on it too it cannot be that. But it is possible that the picture has been zoomed in a lot and then this object has been digitally placed on it. But I agree it is an assumption only and not fact, I agree we cannot know this as a fact, to me it becomes mostly a guess estimate based on relative analysis of the distance and size negatively influenced by illusion type effects, rather than true facts of the distance/size because for that I guess you would need to have some more data on the gear, the zoom, some more scientific methods for measurements (like those you posted) and also in this case because the object is not behind any other object that is more known in size it is even more uncertain, so yes it is very uncertain and a very "rough" claim that might be quite wildly set. For me personally, I have not before seen any object like this becoming visible on zoom on a sky image covering (?) the Orion Nebula (14 light years across), only that makes me biased... So it could be much smaller and something completely different, but from a biased position from a standpoint that known distances in space are accurate (I am not sure about that) I think I would still bet that this is a huge object...

EDIT: My theory about a faked picture I realize could be true, because the light on the object could actually be a star the object has been placed on top of, then the object has been carved out a little. Could even be some piece of dust on the telescope lens. Very tricky, but maybe it really is some object there, if so it appears to me it is a big one...

EDIT2: I am calculating now... :clapping:

So the zoomed out image of the Orion Nebula becomes full size at around 0:14, I played the video in slow motion and captured the video at the right moment, at 4k the width of the image is 3200px and the height is 1800px.

Orion's Belt

Zeta/Alnitak: 20 * sun diameter (387 ly) = 20 * 387 = 7740
Epsilon/Alnilam: 24 * sun diameter (2000 ly) = 24 * 2000 = 48000
Delta/Mintaka: 6,5/10,4/16,5 sun diameter (1200 ly) = 6,5 * 1200 = 7800

We choose Zeta/Alnitak, that is the star (-cluster) most to the left among the three, overall it is closest to the Hubble and amounts to a good average size. It is 10 pixels, which from this perspective calibrates each pixel on the original zoom to 2 of our suns. On this same image, the object is now 3,5 pixels in diameter. This means the object by default measures 7 of our suns, or 109,2 * 7 = 764 earths. Now if the object is somewhere between Zeta (387 light years) and Epsilon (2000 light years) in distance from Hubble, then it is way bigger than 764 earths. But if it is located much closer to Hubble, it basically becomes a matter of how close. If it is 1 light year away, it amounts to 1,97 earths on the same scale and if it is located at the same distance as the moon (384400 km, or 0,0000000406 ly), we are looking at an object at the size of 0,000000079982 earths or 0,001019130644 km (so that is ~1 meter). If the object is at the same distance as the sun (149600000 km, or 0,0000158 ly) we are looking at an object at the size of 0,000031126 earths or 0,396607492 km.

We can now do a most probable minimal size calculation. Let's define that as the object being at 0,01% the distance to Zeta, so that is 0,0387 ly away. Based on that we get a size of 0,076239 earths, which is a UFO 971,437338 km in diameter. From that perspective the object still ends up enormous in size, but of course not as enormous as 100 earths...

Another way of calculating the most probable minimal size is to calculate that the object is even closer, e.g., that the object is at the distance of the closest planet to earth which is Venus, 41 000 000 km away, which is 0,0000043337034 ly away. That makes the object at the size of 0,108783495983916 km or 109 m in diameter. If it is a craft approaching Mars it is at a distance of 0,00002378251 ly and would be around 597 meters in diameter.

What I think we can conclude is that if it is a real unknown flying object out in space, it is not an airplane or something else in earth's atmosphere, because those objects are not X cm/mm in diameter, plus Hubble Space Telescope is located 559 km in Earth's orbit. :) And if we are looking at objects near Hubble, it is likely not a satellite because those are not 1 meter in diameter circulating the earth at a distance that equals the distance to the moon.

So either we are looking at a tiny particle on the lens that happens to sit on top of a star in the background or something big. For instance already when it would be located at a similar distance to our closest star Alpha Centauri 4,367 ly away this would mean it would be 109 619 km in diameter, or 8,6 times the size of earth. So from that perspective and in the context, 100 times the size of earth is reasonable.

This image is the same as the one on wikipedia:

The same huge object can be found on that copy of the image, that plus the fact that other independent photos have captured the same UFO, which indicates it was not some junk on the telescope lens.

"In one of the most detailed astronomical images ever produced, NASA/ESA's Hubble Space Telescope captured an unprecedented look at the Orion Nebula. ... This extensive study took 105 Hubble orbits to complete. All imaging instruments aboard the telescope were used simultaneously to study Orion. The Advanced Camera mosaic covers approximately the apparent angular size of the full moon. Coordinates Position (RA): 5 35 9.73 Position (Dec): -5° 24' 50.32" Field of view: 30.03 x 30.03 arcminutes Orientation: North is 0.0° left of vertical Colours & filter Band Wavelength Telescope Optical B 435 nm Hubble Space Telescope ACS Optical V 555 nm Hubble Space Telescope ACS Optical H-alpha 658 nm Hubble Space Telescope ACS Infrared I 775 nm Hubble Space Telescope ACS Infrared Z 850 nm Hubble Space Telescope ACS Notes: Additional observational data from the WFI instrument on the ESO.MPG 2.2-metre telescope."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_Nebula#/media/File:Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg

Either that or the image was hoaxed prior to being uploaded to wikipedia, I find that scenario not so likely. I think it is a very good catch, especially since this was such an advanced image capture... I think it is a really huge UFO really far away that happened to have a big star behind it when the image was taken, who knows maybe it is even on its way to that star... If it is a UFO located that far away, it could be some kind of huge flying artificial planet, maybe hosting multiple advanced civilizations. Please notice it is super huge only in one direction, so it is kind of like a huge elongated mother ship. Maybe it is something similar to the cigar mothership Bob Dean showed on some of his UFO pictures that was huge...

It was the only distinct UFO that stood out on this Hubble image, probably because all other UFOs are so small in comparison that you cannot even see them. These guys must be extremely advanced, a type 3 or 4 is reasonable.

This kind of stuff puts things into perspective...

DISCLAIMER: I might have these calculations totally messed up. :waving: