About the true nature of time

[WhiteLove]

Wired has published an interesting scientific article about research into the true nature of time.

Scientists are basically scratching their heads, but they think that in absolute terms time does not exist, but that it might be a more gravity centric local phenomena with relative implications, e.g., relative to the point of observation and they are a bit clueless when it comes to the "birth of time".

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/quantum-gravity-research-unearth-true-nature-time/?mbid=social_twitter#slide-1

[Mercedes]

For all my time spent trying to understand quantum anything, I have got to say I still can not really understand, it is so confusing and hard to grip. I feel so annoyed and dum. I need to find a book Quantum Physics for Really Dummies. :o

[Gillian]

At least twice in my life, I have made some sort of shift into another way of being. Basically, the ego or the part of me that spends its existence either protecting me or making me think I am something other than I really am, vanished. Also, I lost linear time. All I had was the moment with no history; no future.

I was able to think complex thoughts in the moment but as soon as that moment passed, the thought was gone. It was very odd and yet seemed very natural. I kept getting a message that everything was fine and I needn't worry. I was very calm and peaceful, despite wondering what would happen if somebody spoke to me. I knew that, with no linear time, I would be unable to unpack a sentence. People around me were talking and I had no idea what they were saying. Yes, I understood each word as it was spoken as a word occupies a moment, but could not string them together for lack of linear time. I could not remember the word that was just spoken, nor could I predict into the future.

Having had this experience, and while it was a series of moments that lasted for several hours, on both occasions, I can sort of understand that time might not exist.

[ThePythonicCow]

For all my time spent trying to understand quantum anything, I have got to say I still can not really understand, it is so confusing and hard to grip. I feel so annoyed and dum. I need to find a book Quantum Physics for Really Dummies. :o

In my estimation, that's the intended ... Quantum mechanics, general relativity, string theory, and such are one of the "finest" examples of "baffle them with b*llsh*t" of our times. They form a complex, but overall incoherent, mesh of complex mathematical models overlaying (accurately modeling) some, but far from all, of the evidence available to us. There are deep crevices of contradictions within and across this mesh, and pervasive inconsistencies with, or inability to model at all, what is observed in the real world.

The "real" science of the last century is hidden behind this mesh, in black op projects and such.

[Mercedes]

For all my time spent trying to understand quantum anything, I have got to say I still can not really understand, it is so confusing and hard to grip. I feel so annoyed and dum. I need to find a book Quantum Physics for Really Dummies. :o

In my estimation, that's the intended ... Quantum mechanics, general relativity, string theory, and such are one of the "finest" examples of "baffle them with b*llsh*t" of our times. They form a complex, but overall incoherent, mesh of complex mathematical models overlaying (accurately modeling) some, but far from all, of the evidence available to us. There are deep crevices of contradictions within and across this mesh, and pervasive inconsistencies with, or inability to model at all, what is observed in the real world.

The "real" science of the last century is hidden behind this mesh, in black op projects and such.

What do you suggest then? Seems once we leave this life we might/will ? understand much more? It just worries me that it just seems so out of our hands for now. But I guess I will have to wait for my passing of this life to know a bit more.

[Fellow Aspirant]

At least twice in my life, I have made some sort of shift into another way of being. Basically, the ego or the part of me that spends its existence either protecting me or making me think I am something other than I really am, vanished. Also, I lost linear time. All I had was the moment with no history; no future.

I was able to think complex thoughts in the moment but as soon as that moment passed, the thought was gone. It was very odd and yet seemed very natural. I kept getting a message that everything was fine and I needn't worry. I was very calm and peaceful, despite wondering what would happen if somebody spoke to me. I knew that, with no linear time, I would be unable to unpack a sentence. People around me were talking and I had no idea what they were saying. Yes, I understood each word as it was spoken as a word occupies a moment, but could not string them together for lack of linear time. I could not remember the word that was just spoken, nor could I predict into the future.

Having had this experience, and while it was a series of moments that lasted for several hours, on both occasions, I can sort of understand that time might not exist.

Hi Gillian

Something similar to this experience happened to a friend of mine: while he was on the phone, he suddenly realized that although he could hear the voice of the person on the other end, he could not understand anything they were saying - their words were just gibberish. At the same time, he found that he was unable to speak - literally. That is, he could not create any sound with his voice. This was very distrubing to him, as he could think clearly while this was going on. He just couldn't decipher spoken words or generate any of his own. This lasted for several minutes, till the person on the other end, hearing no response from my friend, simply said good bye and hung up.

His wife, who has some medical expertise, diagnosed him as having had a stroke. Subsequent testing verified this. Suspicion fell to a migraine medication he was taking, which he has now cut back on.

So, I don't mean to question the existential/spiritual nature of your experience, but I think you should at perhaps consider the possibility that you have suffered at least a couple of strokes. I say at least, because sometimes they are so minor and involve such a small part of the brain that they are virtually unnoticed.

Please check out your symptoms at a trustworthy online medical advice site and, if you find a correlation or two, follow up this matter with your doctor.

Namaste,

Brian

[WhiteLove]

For all my time spent trying to understand quantum anything, I have got to say I still can not really understand, it is so confusing and hard to grip. I feel so annoyed and dum. I need to find a book Quantum Physics for Really Dummies. :o

In my estimation, that's the intended ... Quantum mechanics, general relativity, string theory, and such are one of the "finest" examples of "baffle them with b*llsh*t" of our times. They form a complex, but overall incoherent, mesh of complex mathematical models overlaying (accurately modeling) some, but far from all, of the evidence available to us. There are deep crevices of contradictions within and across this mesh, and pervasive inconsistencies with, or inability to model at all, what is observed in the real world.

The "real" science of the last century is hidden behind this mesh, in black op projects and such.

Yes, I feel you might be right. I think that vibrations and energy are ingredients, but that the established models are a highly limiting mesh of stuff probably with quite a lot of errors in them so hence they do not scale, theoretically they scale to some degree but with errors in them they collapse because of those errors. In practise with the right practical conditions you can find out things with real true data and from there work some of it out.

[EFO]

We don't have "time".We create it because we don't have long term memory and "time" help us to create milestones for it.For example:can anyone tell what was happened or what he was doing on 23 February 1984 at 15:23?Nobody remember that.But almost all knows when WW II has ended and perhaps over 2000 years this moment will simply faded due to other major events,but it will remain written.

If we could remember all the events that passed through millions and millions of years ago,than we didn't need "time" due to a collective consciousness,but we don't have such a consciousness,yet.Momentarily is very hard to imagine how is to be connected to all human's knowledge and access it,without interfering in other "personal" zones of an individual.In this case will no need Internet network.

In the first all the "laws" and "standards" (including all forms of measurements as well as "time") were created for cheaters.Now these became what are now.

It's so simple and I really don't know why,quoted WhiteLove:

Scientists are basically scratching their heads
instead to think/work to what really is important for humanity.

Is so d***n hard.

[bettye198]

We hear about "outside time and space" comments so that to me verifies that we are living INSIDE time. I have come to think that time is a prison, a created way to keep us in lockdown, suppressed with programming. Which again, is why we age and deteriorate.

[shaberon]

Relativity is a poor, counter-intuitive model.

However, Quantum arises as a consequence of the Conservation of Angular Momentum; it's not challenged by inventing something unobserved to explain 96% of the universe. It has "disclosed" Zero-point Energy since at least 1948 as the Casimir effect. I'm not aware of a potential argument against it, unlike Relativity.

Time is more or less a subjective experience of successive states of consciousness. Conventionally we refer to it with physical motion, but to a consciousness that is less disturbed, i. e. not experiencing a succession of states, it will not hold that conventional meaning.

[Clear Light]

Oh, isn't it true that the sense of 'time' *only* comes into 'play' if there's the sense of being an "independent self" ?

For example : "this" happened *to* "me", or "I can remember when ..."

But if closely inspected (reflected upon from a "calm" or "still" mind) the above does *not* "hold water" !

Why ? Because it is seen that the sense of being an "independent self" is itself illusory !

And as that "sense of self" falls away so too does the concept of "time" to reveal the natural state-of-things as being timeless !

Now, please don't take my word for it, but unless "you" put it into some sort of "practice", you'll never get a taste of what I'm saying and it will forever remain a topic for intellectual speculation.

But with any luck, you'll seem to "experience a shift" which hopefully won't just be a "fleeting momentary glimpse" of "timelessness" but that will apparently "endure for a while" with the possible "outcome" of an "irreversible" turn around in how you "see things" !!!

Right now, at this moment "you" are Conscious Awareness but this doesn't satisfy the "restless mind" which is forever "leaping" from "topic to topic" ... thus, may I suggest : There is only one place "to go" for the "answers" eh ? :wink:

[raregem]

Since time is entwined with the passing of a single year I try to understand the ability to change daylight savings time twice a year. Or, how can we still have all seasons correctly(?) when we lengthened the year from 360 days to current 365/6 days. Oh, is leap year where it all balances out?
Is time within certain dimensions and not others? Similar to a space craft that may look small on the outside but, inside it is much more massive.
Hope the last sentence makes sense in relation to time.

[bobme]

Interesting topic to me. I have read and understood many view points on time . This seems to be a unsurtain topic to many, and I have no scientific explaination of time to offer. I do know I have witnessed my son age and grow. I have seen myself, and many others age. I have memorys of many things that actually occured in supposed actual time. So my question would be, was everything that has happened, in my perception of it happening, non linear time? Or was it linear time and happened? I can only understand what has happened for real to me. Where I live, lakes freeze over in winter, and thaw in spring. I do not understand how time cannot be real somehow. I Am typing this now, as I percieve it. So if time does not exist, why did it take me so long to post this? (I type with one finger).;)

[lucidity]

I've just been watching a documentary about the pacific ocean version of the Bermuda Triangle.
This is in the ocean off the eastern side of Japan.
Like the Bermuda Triangle, the 'Dragon's' triangle is the site of mysterious disappearances of
shipping and aircraft. There is a much greater incidence of shipping and aircraft loss in this region
than in the Bermuda triangle. The Dragon's triangle is also region of frequent UFO and USO sightings.

The reason i'm introducing this to you in _this_ thread, is that several captains of ships and aircraft
note missing time events. Not only the loss of 'psychological time'... where someone has basically
lost, say, an hour... and can't account for what happened during that hour. But the loss of "local time".
Where the time on wrist watches mysteriously losses time relative to the time specified by outside
sources (such as radio stations or air traffic control)

On this basis... i'm offering you people the suggestion that time is local and perhaps gravitational:
The Dragon's triangle is a region of particular seismic and magnetic volatility. Compasses point the
wrong way and the pacific 'ring of fire' runs under the Dragon's triangle.

If you're interested in this topic. See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLWvkKf8Ng

be happy :-)

[rgray222]

Thanks for posting

For mankind to really get our hands around time and the UFO phenomenon and to further understand when and where they actually come from we will have to get a handle on Quantum Mechanics. Ole Max Planck open the door to our understanding the universe(s) and it is different than anything we ever imagined.

Here are a few quotes that may help

A quote by Niels Bohr


"Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it." Niels Bohr

A few quotes by Max Plank, considered the father of quantum mechanics

Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of nature and therefore part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.

We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.

[starlight]

I had a strange experience the other day, regarding the nature of my dogs and how they view time.

I have two outside dogs (they love it- we have many acres) and the other day I was a little buzzed off some mary jane. I glanced out to the front of the house, and just stared. I noticed how incredibly still everything was. Trees weren't moving, no animals running around, no birds flying...Just absolutely still. Both my dogs laid on the porch and just gazed out the front yard. I stared for what seemed like a couple of minutes. It resonated in me that this is all my dogs see-- day after day, year after year... and they are content with it. They have zero understanding of time in reality. Sure, a dog can watch you leave and wait for you to come back, and he knows he's waiting... but for how long?

We as humans created a way to track our events in life. TIME puts reality in chronological order so that we make sense of it.

Truly baffling when you take a step back and realize that every creature lives in the present- unconcerned for future events or passed experiences.
We are incredibly smart creatures to have the ability to comprehend the past, present and future. Trippy stuff to think about :biggrin1:

[ThePythonicCow]

What do you suggest then? Seems once we leave this life we might/will ? understand much more? It just worries me that it just seems so out of our hands for now. But I guess I will have to wait for my passing of this life to know a bit more.
To quote myself from the Here & Now thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1118390&viewfull=1#post1118390) a few weeks ago:

The New Electromagnetism videos of Robert Distinti, Electromagnetism Foundation Series Playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2fbwSsQ2zlWjH464Utgyg5nvO5HFeId9), provide the best quantitative, experimentally verifiable, consistent, and useful (for actually making things that work) theory that models how static, moving, and accelerating electrical charges effect each other, and of their "magnetic" (due apparently to accelerating charges in the ether) effects, that I know of.
However, that's not a very helpful recommendation for most readers. Distinti is an electrical engineer with 30 years of experience, and he is very comfortable with higher mathematics, Maxwell's equations, and the various other main stream theories of our time involving electricity, magnetism, current, voltage, charge, fields, antennas, force, mass and such. He's rewriting Maxwell's work, from the foundation up, with the necessary associated new mathematics, in a way that has not been done (at least not in public view) in a century, since public physics got side tracked on the detours of relativity and quantum mechanics.

I don't have a good recommendation for most readers, other than perhaps rolling your eyes in dismay at those who provide such essentially unhelpful answers as I've just done :).

[thunder24]

its been said as youth when you get older time gets shorter, per reference of time... but i have talked to youngins and oldins that have all said time is speading up...
talking to King anthony former avalon member, he noticed it to and put it this way in summary....

" its like a wheel, with all spokes pointing towards a center point, it seems to many that we are closer to the center point, and that on a wheel seems to be going faster, so itsnot about age, but about a period in time"

now time might not be theright word, but it seems that we are spinning faster... my words are not the best or accurate but i hope this makes sense i feel it also...

[zen deik]

Edgar Casey said time was a necessary illusion..... I ponder...

[zen deik]

Time becomes a rare commodity as you get older... distracted by responsibility.... You have less free time, it doesn't move faster I think, just the illusion..?

[Hym]

Sometimes, like in this thread, we see the power of varied insights when they are shared. There is a science to this sharing, these experiences because they are all relative to each connective difference.

The big hint, that draws us to a preliminary understanding of what is described as time, is the measure of gravity. Gravity, gravitas, gravitation, grave notions of our end.....in time.

(As a relatively primitive example..) Do we neutralize gravity by playing with opposing interconnected, rapidly moving magnetic fields? And, when we can, in these limited electro-magnetic, receptive and discharging bodies, stand (or sit, or lay down) in that powerful, yet "neutral" presence.... will we perceive a difference in our relation to time? Always.

I had a friend in the building trades tell me, in a funny yet very demanding way, to stop talking about time and space. He said they weren't real so why talk about them. He said it was annoying.

I mentioned what my friend had said to me to another friend of mine and before I could say why my friend was annoyed at me for ever mentioning time and space, this scientist friend finished the sentence with the same conclusion.

He said, with a very big and confident smile and a certain tilt to his head, that of course time and space are just constructs of the mind. Because this friend spent his entire professional career (and until he leaves his body) as a man who could not talk about those things he experimented on and learned, I took his talk as relatively more informed. It was not an answer. It was a query and a puzzle he expected me to get, and not on an esoteric level. Because I have never asked anyone to divulge anything they should not expose, for any reason, I take such prompts as part of the reason we are here now at this "time", this particular "place" in space. These threads and these posts are a big part of the resolution to an understanding, within a mental construct, of how we are part of time and beyond it as well.

There are many reasons for these discussions to happen now, as so much is in flux in this interconnected........(fill in the space....) and some of it has to do with the frequency and rhythms of gravitational fields. (Of course another part of it is the a##hats injecting frequency modulation "therapies" into the mix, but that is just a cover to prevent awareness of the galactic waves we are surfing on now.)

(As a side note: I would remind many here to open up to conversation, share and receive in your lives, outside of this electronic page. If you haven't taken the time to share what you know and have learned, you are missing out on some interesting pushes to understand many, many, many things. No one would have expected that exchange from my friend, especially in that work atmosphere. However, I would.

I would because I got over the singularity of my personage a long, long time ago. I gravitated to the core, to the time-neutral, the space-neutral property of the heart of the matter, because so much of this human experience is so difficult to take without finding a place and a time of natural solace. If we owe anything to our time here and the spaces we occupy, we owe it to each other.)

[WhiteLove]

In my experience time and space is in a "frozen" state when the vibration rate inside of the consciousness is above the vibration rate of the density of reality. When I left my body and the timespace I was in, this process was an acceleration of the internal vibrational rate beyond the upper frequency boundary of that timespace. I was able to perceive that reality outside of it and could then see myself and that reality from above looking down on me, that person who was me who I was looking down at was in a completely frozen state together with everything else that was frozen.

This to me indicated that when the consciousness was in a higher vibration, the clock that made the reality tick had entered a suspended mode, as if everything is in a frozen state until the vibration of the consciousness is within the vibrational range of that reality.

Since it was love that was the vibration inside, love might be the frequency that determines the perception of- and speed of time, when it is within the frequency range of a particular density reality, time is now perceived and is ticking at that rate and the perception of time within that reality can vary within that reality's frequency range. Interestingly though is that eventhough less dense realities express a higher frequency range (less limited love) in absolute terms, in relative terms it is as if the perception of time slows down once the consciousness is inside of that reality, it is as if the vibration slows down - more peace, longer smoother waves and maybe less perception of time, you are more free in time and space, it no longer runs linearly, it is more a jumping between timelines.

I think that the speed of light is higher at less dense realities. Let's illustrate this mathematically:

c = C * f, where c is speed of light at 299 792 458 m/s and C is earth's circumference at 40 030 174 m and f is earth's frequency that hence becomes 7,49 Hz. The time for one period is now 1 / f, or 1 / 7,49 = 0,13 sec. When we double the speed of light we get a frequency of 14,98 Hz, the time of one period is now 1 / f, or 1 / 14,98 = 0,07 sec.

So 7,49 Hz and the time tick rate of that could be true for earth in this density, but there could be higher less dense densities where the speed of light is faster, so when you are present there time is ticking faster than it ticks in the more dense reality. To me this is supported by Einstein's theory of general relativity, the mass is the density.

C = c / d, where c is speed of light, d is density factory (lower is less dense)
E = M * C^2
E = M * C^2
E = 5,9726 * 10^24 kg * C^2
5972600000000000000000000 * 299792458^2
E = 5,367905180523517036664e+41 Nm (or Joule)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
E = x * (c * 2)^2
x = 1493150000000000000000000 kg

M (mass, kg) goes forever towards closer to 0 with higher speed of light.

Please note that c = C * f that Nassim Haramein used in his scientific paper on the proton scale, has resulted in high accuracy predictions at CERN, the experiment results were within the accepted scientific error margin. But it might be that this scales linearly up to the upper frequency of the density barrier, at the density barrier it might break down, maybe near the event horizon of a black hole and then on the other side of the black hole you have a different speed of light. Black holes might be density connector channels between say two densities, each density having its own speed of light. The total mass of density A might be either lower or higher than the total mass of density B and the difference might be what causes the overall gravity within a particular density. In that way gravity cannot be explained without adding additional hidden layers of reality that are there.

A formula for gravity explaining gravity between any two density points within an infinite density spectrum:

F = (M * A) / (m * a)

where

M = total mass of density A
m = total mass of density B
A = acceleration at density A
a = acceleration at density B

I theorize that the speed of light difference between two densities next to each other is one of these: c or 2^2 or 2 or root (2) or PHI (1,618...) or root (PHI) or pi or root (pi). I am suspecting 2...

One idea I have is that what separates two densities is that all things at all levels have been split into a + and - version at the "lower" density. When these two undergo blending they move into a less dense density as one. So each density contains a generation of splitting/separation of everything in creation from one to two, one half becoming + polarity, one half becoming - polarity. The amount of generations/densities are infinite.

So our earth might have a twin earth in say another universe in our same density. When the two universes merge, the earths collide and become a greater more true representation in a higher less dense density. Similar to a human body having a human spirit/consciousness/being but with a representation in the physical domain, earth might have something similar.

Gravity might at its core be the first generation of separation, the two parts accelerate towards each other to complete a cycle, each cycle performing a true - false - true pattern. All information present in a cycle is fed back into one and becomes part of the separation instructions for the next cycle. The amount of information in one continuously grows forever, which describes the infinite life of the living being of all that is - like an infinite cosmic breathing. So it might be that everything separates and merges/completes in new more rich ways in cycles forever.

[Mercedes]

What do you suggest then? Seems once we leave this life we might/will ? understand much more? It just worries me that it just seems so out of our hands for now. But I guess I will have to wait for my passing of this life to know a bit more.
To quote myself from the Here & Now thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1118390&viewfull=1#post1118390) a few weeks ago:

The New Electromagnetism videos of Robert Distinti, Electromagnetism Foundation Series Playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2fbwSsQ2zlWjH464Utgyg5nvO5HFeId9), provide the best quantitative, experimentally verifiable, consistent, and useful (for actually making things that work) theory that models how static, moving, and accelerating electrical charges effect each other, and of their "magnetic" (due apparently to accelerating charges in the ether) effects, that I know of.
However, that's not a very helpful recommendation for most readers. Distinti is an electrical engineer with 30 years of experience, and he is very comfortable with higher mathematics, Maxwell's equations, and the various other main stream theories of our time involving electricity, magnetism, current, voltage, charge, fields, antennas, force, mass and such. He's rewriting Maxwell's work, from the foundation up, with the necessary associated new mathematics, in a way that has not been done (at least not in public view) in a century, since public physics got side tracked on the detours of relativity and quantum mechanics.

I don't have a good recommendation for most readers, other than perhaps rolling your eyes in dismay at those who provide such essentially unhelpful answers as I've just done :).

Thank you Paul, I will make a real effort to read it and understand, because this subject is very interesting and at the same time puzzling to me.

[Eram]

Wired has published an interesting scientific article about research into the true nature of time.

Scientists are basically scratching their heads, but they think that in absolute terms time does not exist, but that it might be a more gravity centric local phenomena with relative implications, e.g., relative to the point of observation and they are a bit clueless when it comes to the "birth of time".

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/quantum-gravity-research-unearth-true-nature-time/?mbid=social_twitter#slide-1

I have not yet read the article, but will do so tomorrow when I have more time. ;)

I don't understand exactly why so many people struggle with the concept of time, while as far as I can see, time is pretty simple to explain.

Matter in motion creates that which we call time.
It is the third aspect of existence (consciousness) that registers this matter in motion and experiences the time aspect.

Perhaps people get confused over this when they sit still in a room where motion seems absent and then think: "Hmm, I still experience time, but there is no motion".
They are wrong though. Matter is still in motion even under their very nose... and in it for that matter. :P

Of course, from the point of the observer, matter may appear to be in motion or not, always relative to other matter, but this takes away nothing from the matter in motion in general.

So time is simply that: Matter in motion, observed by consciousness.

[Red Skywalker]

TIME does not exist:


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Julian Barbour, visiting professor at the University of Oxford and the author of The End of Time, addresses the question, Does Time Exist? Barbour explores the history of scientific thought on the concept of time and presents his own interpretations of what time is.

My own idea: we know three dimensions of space and add one dimension as Time.
We can also add another dimension instead of TIME, namely SIZE. Now you can imaging TIME/SPACE as follows:


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This is a static picture, but has all information of the movements in it. Each 'motionpicture' is smaller or larger then the previous one. In my ideas matter shrinks and consciousness, the Observer, expands (it's view gets a larger range).

It is complex because 'Matter' is also conscious, but it's viewing range is extremely small. We have also been in that state long ago..

Time is always fascinating ;)

To explain it you need always many words, pictures, animations and knowledge of previous steps. For example: knowledge of holographic interference patterns and other resonating and interfering vibrations:


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1:1.5, Is this why the pentagram should be drawn in this sequence by the Wicca's? There is also a second differential speed for this figure. I suggest to explore more speeds 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, etc.
See what platonic figures you get.

EDIT
Here are some interferences:

red speed counterclockwise : green speed clockwise

1 : 1 -> 2 (line)
1 : 1,5 -> 5 (pentagram)
1 : 2 -> 3 (triangle)
1 : 3 -> 4 (square)
1 : 5 -> 6 (hexagram)

Then make it 3D.

So far some of my findings in my quest for understanding the Universe.

[bobme]

Wired has published an interesting scientific article about research into the true nature of time.

Scientists are basically scratching their heads, but they think that in absolute terms time does not exist, but that it might be a more gravity centric local phenomena with relative implications, e.g., relative to the point of observation and they are a bit clueless when it comes to the "birth of time".

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/quantum-gravity-research-unearth-true-nature-time/?mbid=social_twitter#slide-1

I have not yet read the article, but will do so tomorrow when I have more time. ;)

I don't understand exactly why so many people struggle with the concept of time, while as far as I can see, time is pretty simple to explain.

Matter in motion creates that which we call time.
It is the third aspect of existence (consciousness) that registers this matter in motion and experiences the time aspect.

Perhaps people get confused over this when they sit still in a room where motion seems absent and then think: "Hmm, I still experience time, but there is no motion".
They are wrong though. Matter is still in motion even under their very nose... and in it for that matter. :P

Of course, from the point of the observer, matter may appear to be in motion or not, always relative to other matter, but this takes away nothing from the matter in motion in general.

So time is simply that: Matter in motion, observed by consciousness.

this is why the time thing confuses me. my question. if matter in motion, observed by consciousness is time, what is motion, observed by subconscious? I know only of my own understanding of things such as conscious and subconscious. my subconcious misses nothing, yet my concious misses much. I cannot grasp the science of this time thing. Perhaps some one could clarify this for me. Thank you.

[Snoweagle]

Referring to the link at wired dot com of the OP:
Quantum Gravity Research Could Unearth the True Nature of Time (https://www.wired.com/2016/12/quantu...witter#slide-1)
. . . has embedded links to the following:
Theoretical insights: Evolution without evolution: Dynamics described by stationary observables. Subscription article access, with following abstract:
Because the time parameter in the Schrödinger equation is not observable, energy apparently obeys a superselection rule in the same sense that charge does. That is, observables must all commute with the Hamiltonian and hence be stationary. This means that it is consistent with all observations to assume that any closed system such as the Universe is in a stationary state. We show how the observed dynamic evolution of a system can be described entirely in terms of stationary observables as a dependence upon internal clock readings.
http://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.27.2885

Experimentally Demonstrated: Seven page pdf detailing the experiment and the science around the project:
Time from quantum entanglement: an experimental illustration (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.4691v1.pdf)

The Amplituhedron: A Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics:
Quanta magazine A jewel at the heart of quantum physics/ (https://www.quantamagazine.org/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/)

[boutreality]

It is worthwhile to note that, in terms of physics, we are dealing with absolutes.
The statement "Time does not exist" is eye-catching and on the level of macroscopic reality to say that is true is absurd.
Time exists at the stance of the physical world -from where the observer must be to make these observations- as positions of objects relative to each other.

As it pertains to the level of reality within the physical, time is resonant frequencies in relation to differing resonant frequencies; equivalences in wave particle "groupings" and variances between them. We cannot in absolute terms call this time, we do not exist on this level of reality, what we can do is assign the result of these resonant equivalences and variances a name: Electromagnetism.

-Here we have a frame where we can fit the Strong and Weak Nuclear Forces, once specific conditions are met.

My understanding is GEM theory is a take on "quantum gravity" -a key point in the relativity-quantum theory disconnect- that assigns gravity to a characterization of the field owing to an EM-driven gyroscopic "resonance" affect.

This fits with my take that the field "builds" into matter in accordance to what I call the Law of Probabilistic Propagation and Probabilistic Collapse and macro-scale gravity (Relativity) is then the continually propagated effect of the collapse characterized in GEM theory which itself gives eventual rise to a gravitational force sufficient to form atoms into molecules.

At the level of the "process" that is the field collapsing into physical reality, described in bold in the last sentence, we have what is observed as Strong and Weak Nuclear fields.
This is an aftereffect; where the only force is Electromagnetism, and Strong and Nuclear Forces are the result of EM's "Probabilistically Collapsed and Propagated" effect on the field.

Consciousness is a fixture of the field at large, subject to the Law of Probabilistic Collapse and Probabilistic Propagation, giving eventual rise to sentience.

I worked up the framework for this stance here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90925-The-Unified-Field&p=1070611#post1070611