Will we ever get REAL esoteric teachings?

[Truthster013]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

[Eram]

Hi truthster,

I'm sure that there are ancient esoteric like teachings that are written down and kept from the public's eye, but if the knowledge of reality was once handed down to humanity, chances are that this was not a one time event, but an ongoing effort by some intelligence ore consciousness in order to help humanity forward and to give the earnest seeker something to cling to.

According to some, this higher consciousness has decided that 1875 was the time to abandon the then alive strategy of teaching aspirants and disciples in secret knowledge schools and make the esoteric knowledge (at least that part which was deemed safe enough for humanity to handle) public for all to access.

Helena Blavatsky is supposed to have been the first one to collect and write down a series of esoteric facts.
Later followed by writers such as Leadbeater, Besant, Bailey and others.

In my opinion, the most accessible and lucid writer of them all is Laurency.
His works can be read and downloaded for free on www.Laurency.com

I've read most of his work an I'm of the opinion that there is great value in it.
So perhaps your notion that true esoteric knowledge is hidden from us and we are left with nothing is not entirely true.

Up to you now to decide. :)

[lucidity]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

You're right, there are groups hoarding secret teachings.
They're called the Masons... they're the modern equivalents of the Knights Templar
and they're focused on the Kabbalah, Gnosticism and the teachings of the Mystery Schools.
Think Lucifer, Baphomet, child abuse, human sacrifice and probably long prison sentences and hell.

Other hoarders of secret teachings would be the Vatican and Jewish Rabbis.

[Flash]

The secret teachings they are hoarding (Vatican, masons, religions, etc), you may not want to be imparted with it, nor give it form. Those secrets are precisely for controlling d for power over others, all intentions that do not lead to real spiritual evolution.

One teaching that we listen to very little is to develop the capacity to love (not have emotional gluey experience, but true love, with joy) and the desire for benevolence. Once this capacity is well developed, esoteric teachings can be imparted without to much risks of falling into control and power usage of it.

Once, I was hating someone soooooooo much, that while in that state, I realised that real spiritual powers could not be given to me if I have such hatred in my heart, I would have misused spiritual powers for control and harm. I had to develop the love and benevolence aspects much more so that hatred would dissipate by itself.

I am personally still working on the love aspect.

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I agree with Eram and the Laurency body of work.



There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

You're right, there are groups hoarding secret teachings.
They're called the Masons... they're the modern equivalents of the Knights Templar
and they're focused on the Kabbalah, Gnosticism and the teachings of the Mystery Schools.
Think Lucifer, Baphomet, child abuse, human sacrifice and probably long prison sentences and hell.

Other hoarders of secret teachings would be the Vatican and Jewish Rabbis.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The greatest teachings have been taught openly for thousands of years. They are often overlooked by students who are unknowingly looking for something else.

The entire universe is enfolded within you. So there is nothing that can be kept secret from you.

Remove the static so you can hear the signal. Be willing to hear the signal by releasing attachment. The body is your gateway. It's not a secret.

And there are no shortcuts.

[shaberon]

Yes and no.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94994-Ladakh-the-last-unspoiled-mountain-kingdom&highlight=ladakh

In general, *not* via purported institutions of Masonry, Golden Dawn, etc.

But yes, to an extent...the ABC's and philosophy, especially as held in the East (yes somewhat secretly) but through the West, not since the destruction of Avalon/Druids.

Masters are not mocking anyone. The West has been under the heel of the Aristotelian school since roughly that time. Tson-kha-pa the Buddhist reformer was the one who decided to start "unlocking" us since the 1400s, but this is a really slow thing, there are adept and unconscious sorcerors to thwart every step before it's taken. Most of them are simply the Church of whatever name.

[greybeard]

The greatest teachings have been taught openly for thousands of years. They are often overlooked by students who are unknowingly looking for something else.

The entire universe is enfolded within you. So there is nothing that can be kept secret from you.

Remove the static so you can hear the signal. Be willing to hear the signal by releasing attachment. The body is your gateway. It's not a secret.

And there are no shortcuts.

Yes!!
The open secret.
You wont find it "out there" in a conspiracy theory debate.

For want of a better way of putting it there are three levels of "understanding" each one is True at that level of consciousness.

(1) Out of compassion we need to do some thing about what ails this world.
(2) Everything is as it should be. (The totality brings everything about)
(3) Nothing ever happened (No creation no dissolution--The cosmic dream)

In this video Rick Archer who has done over 300 interviews of spiritually awakening people talks about his understanding of this matter.
He speaks with refreshing down to earth humility.

Chris

Published on Dec 27, 2016

Also see https://batgap.com/rick-archer-at-ber...

I was hesitant to put this up, because there's more than enough of me on this site, but a few wise friends encouraged me to, so here it is.
I gave this talk at the Open Circle Center in Berkeley, California on October 24, 2016. Points discussed include: “Can knowledge of nonduality be systematically organized, tested, explained, and predicted? Science has not devised instruments capable of detecting the nondual nature of ultimate reality, but spiritual traditions discuss it extensively, and numerous followers of these traditions (and of no traditions) claim to have experienced it as their essential nature.

This experience is commonly termed “awakening” or “enlightenment”. Is there a “scientific” consensus among these people? Are they referring to the same thing? Is there just one awakening, or are there many degrees of it? Buddhist, Hindu, and Christian mystical traditions tend to assert the latter. If there are many degrees or stages of awakening, do they culminate in an ultimate stage we might term “enlightenment”, or is there no ultimate?

When one’s essential nature has been clearly and abidingly realized, has one reached a terminus, or do refinement, clarification, and other facets of development continue?

If we see spiritual development as never-ending, will we be forever chasing the dangling carrot, or can we rest in our true nature, the seeking energy having dropped off, and yet acknowledge that compared with what might be possible, we are relative beginners? Many spiritual teachers make statements such as “This is it.
You are That which you are seeking.
Realize this, and you are finished.”
Is such advice helpful, or does it short-change spiritual aspirants?”
How might spirituality benefit from science, and vice versa?
The consequences of science meddling with Laws of Nature without understanding the field in which they reside.

The importance of understanding on the spiritual path.

The seeming epidemic of spontaneous awakenings.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI2_SVywWs

[Catsquotl]

I guess it depends on what one defines as esotheric knowledge.
As for a deep understanding of what it means to be alive, Life itself is showing you every moment you are.

As for means of power. universal law, shifting dimensions, shifting Timelines, Gods and their power, Magic etc.
Those are speculative at best even in the so called mystery schools. Much of what is thaught depends heavily on your belief ystem and the power of imagination.

Ultimately we persieve the world as we expect it to be and call that reality.

With Love
Eelco

[regnak]

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i like to learn about martial arts system of john urwin and becom a warrior , herbalist , healer , farmer most knowledge has been leaked difference is that instead of complainly about it they did something about it .

[Jayke]

I've spent a long time studying what the Sufi masters call the 'Batin Al Batin' the hidden of the hidden or the esoteric of the esoteric. At the heart of the mysteries they teach something called the Trinosophia i.e. the 3 fold wisdom: Alchemy, Kabbalah and Hermeticism.

There's always more to learn on these subjects and I've barely just scratched the surface of the mysteries but currently writing up my research into a series of books...the first two are already published on Amazon...

Ancient secrets of the mind (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ancient-Secrets-The-Mind-ebook/dp/B00E3OV2VU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378479581&sr=8-1&keywords=ancient+secrets+of+the+mind)
Subconscious Decoded (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Subconscious-Decoded-Guidebook-Influence-Manifestation-ebook/dp/B01ILXRP14/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1483360772&sr=1-2)

Let me know if you're interested and I'll PM you a copy. The Subconscious decoded book goes pretty deep into an ancient system of enlightenment that formed the core teachings of Buddhism, Druidism, templars, masons, rosicrucians, the order of the dragon court etc. Written over 22 chapters so that each chapter correlates with a card of the major arcana of the tarot, you'll be an expert in esoteric knowledge by time you reach the end...or at least a little bit further along the path to complete enlightenment...:o

[greybeard]

"Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all things will be added unto you."
The kingdom is within.

You can have all the knowledge of the world but what use is it if you haven't found the Self, your true identity, true nature?

There is a place for everything in this world, but it comes down to priorities.

Chris

[Aurelius]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

http://www.amorc.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZFqcGkN68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5js26O-oO4

[Eram]

I guess it depends on what one defines as esotheric knowledge.
As for a deep understanding of what it means to be alive, Life itself is showing you every moment you are.

As for means of power. universal law, shifting dimensions, shifting Timelines, Gods and their power, Magic etc.
Those are speculative at best even in the so called mystery schools. Much of what is thaught depends heavily on your belief ystem and the power of imagination.

Ultimately we persieve the world as we expect it to be and call that reality.

With Love
Eelco

It seems to me that you have a somewhat distorted idea about what it is that defines esoteric knowledge.

There's not much speculative about the esoteric facts that are presented in the works by a host of writers and there was nothing speculative about the facts that were thought in the esoteric knowledge schools.
In fact, speculation and beliefs are strongly discouraged with the students.

One of the first things that a student has to do is to develop a clear understanding on the definitions of belief and knowledge and the difference between the two.
Furthermore, the student is encouraged to develop a sense and insight in his own beliefs and little pieces of knowledge that he possesses and make a clear separation between the two.

Esoteric knowledge is based on facts and deprived of speculations. At least, that is what is thought.
If this is true is for the student to find out for him/herself.
Every fact that is thought is to be proven by the student before he can accept it as knowledge. Until then, he is advised to only think of it as a working hypotheses.

[Catsquotl]

It seems to me that you have a somewhat distorted idea about what it is that defines esoteric knowledge.


That may well be the case. It is however how I persieve it. thus making it my reality.


with Love
Eelco

[Eram]

It seems to me that you have a somewhat distorted idea about what it is that defines esoteric knowledge.


That may well be the case. It is however how I persieve it. thus making it my reality.


with Love
Eelco

If you put your hand in a flame and develop blisters, is that because the laws of nature behave that way (cause and effect within the matrix or reality), or because you perceive flames to be hot and cause blisters?

Reality is not made by perception. It is the other way around.
Reality creates (subjective) perception to the observer and create ideas (mostly subjective, meaning distorted and emotional) about what that reality might be.

An airplane does not fly on perception, but on a distinct understanding on several universal laws of nature. :)

[zen deik]

Sounds like you have reached a plateau in spiritual growth that will be your new base as you grow and understand more....you will be given what you need from sometimes the oddest places.... No one has the complete answer....

[Catsquotl]

There are hypnosis experiments where people develop blisters thinking they burned themselves. When in fact they were touched by a piece of cloth or an ice cube.

Planes fly by an understanding of physical laws. Not universal ones.
People levitating however... That could be universal laws in action although I speculate that its the powers of imagination at work. That combined with the power of letting go of that which we are educated to believe as truth. i.e. levitation is impossible

Its a bit like playing "The Game" Think about it an you loose.

With Love
Eelco

[ZenBaller]

The only esoteric teaching is.. esoteric. What I mean is that real wisdom and realization comes from you healing your traumas, going deep inside to face your biggest fears and pains and embracing them. I'm not saying this in a philosophical way but very realistically and practically. Absolutely no amount of external wisdom/knowledge can help anyone if we haven't done the work inside us first.

For example, if one of these groups you say, publicizes everything they know for the past 10000 years, most of humanity will use it to serve its ego and nothing good will come out of it. So, don't worry about it. Everything you need to evolve, to become a fully conscious human being, you already have right now. Use it instead of searching for external answers.

[Truthster013]

Hi truthster,

In my opinion, the most accessible and lucid writer of them all is Laurency.
His works can be read and downloaded for free on www.Laurency.com

I've read most of his work an I'm of the opinion that there is great value in it.
So perhaps your notion that true esoteric knowledge is hidden from us and we are left with nothing is not entirely true.

Up to you now to decide. :)

Thanks for the link and suggestion. I'll check that out!

[Truthster013]

[QUOTE=Truthster013;1124263]There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients
Think Lucifer, Baphomet, child abuse, human sacrifice and probably long prison sentences and hell.

Other hoarders of secret teachings would be the Vatican and Jewish Rabbis.

Thank you for your feedback. For me personally, I've been a long time student of western religion so I'm a lot less concerned about the whole lucifer thing like I was before. I've read enough now that I understand why people believe masons worship lucifer and why that's not what "Christians" think it means. Part of me thinks the reason we in the west are told of lucifer, sacrifice, etc is again to scare us off from looking into it because again, they want the masses dumb and not looking into it.

[Heartsong]

Just thinking here....

It occurs to me that a person finds what he is looking for but receives what he needs.
If you are not receiving what you are looking for then perhaps it's not what you need at the moment.

[Truthster013]

The secret teachings they are hoarding (Vatican, masons, religions, etc), you may not want to be imparted with it, nor give it form. Those secrets are precisely for controlling d for power over others, all intentions that do not lead to real spiritual evolution.

One thing I learned from reading some in intros to Kabbalah is a paradigm that rang true with me to a large extent is that we were made to know how to use power, light, and energy. Basically it goes like this. Energy or light can be used by anyone to achieve whatever they want. We were all made vessels for receiving light. The lights purpose, if it can be said to have a purpose, is merely to give us whatever we desire. We are supposed to have fun with it, do with it what we want. The light doesn't give a crap HOW we use it. It is a gift to be used as we see fit. In this paradigm there are some "masters" who have used this knowledge to create what they want (a world where everyone does their bidding and gives them all their labor and goods so they can have abundance). They also hid from us the knowledge that light can be used by anyone. They do not want us to understand that we have the same ability to use light as they do. But the key is, the "light" is not evil. Seeking light or how to use it is not evil. Light doesn't care what you do with it anymore than electricity cares if it is used to light a room or power an electric chain saw to hack up your mother. The latter may be bad to most of us but that doesn't mean we shouldn't seek the light because it can be used to hack up your mother.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

In this video Rick Archer who has done over 300 interviews of spiritually awakening people talks about his understanding of this matter.
He speaks with refreshing down to earth humility.

One of your best posts ever. Tremendous value. Bravo!

[Whiskey_Mystic]

As for means of power. universal law, shifting dimensions, shifting Timelines, Gods and their power, Magic etc.
Those are speculative at best even in the so called mystery schools.

These are speculative to the student who has not experienced or practiced them. There are schools and there are schools.

The reason these are not taught openly is because too many students seek them out for their own sake. For power or to improve life circumstance. They are seen as the goal when in fact they are actually side effects or "collateral phenomenon" along the way to the real goal. In truth, they are inconsequential. If the student follows the true path, they will unfold naturally and not even need to be taught. Though guidance is helpful in assimilating them.

The fastest way to derail a student is to teach the right thing at the wrong time. And this is done deliberately at times to prevent a student from progressing and becoming a "Darth Vader". The achievement of power that is out of balance with wisdom and enlightenment. Like handing a nuclear weapon to a toddler. Some Taoist schools (we use the term "Lineage") call this state "The Valley of the Fallen Masters".

[Truthster013]

well i have found 97 percent of the teaching i wanted


Thanks for sharing your list!

[DeDukshyn]

From my experience the issue isn't acquiring good teaching (ok it may be a bit tricky with everything so watered down and full of disinfo these days), but the main problem is actual application of the teachings. Humans have almost no control over their minds, and while there are some teachings that address this particularly, few can put it into practice, as the mind is one of the most difficult things to learn to control in the first place. I'd say it must be vastly easier to train yourself to control your mind on top of a mountain, where there isn't much else to be doing anyway, than it is to learn to control it while carrying out a busy working life.

All the best teachings in the world are useless unless one can actually learn to apply them wholly, not in part, not when you feel like it, but the only real change comes when you change yourself, not from what you learn in a book (even if these need to be hand in hand).

I have seen many people toss aside high quality material as "rubbish" because they couldn't apply it, they didn't have the conviction, the strength of mind to be able to use it, but their ego will only blame the material for being faulty. Same goes for most people - the mind is too full of doubt and weakness to be able to do anything with esoteric teachings anyway - there is no book you can read and be transformed - this is why the "Course in Miracles" is an activity course -- the workds themselves have limited effect. True understanding only comes from experience.

EDIT:
Sometimes the simplest teachings are the best starting point - the ones that assist you in re-learning control over the mind, for without this, nothing can be learned.

don Miguel Ruiz' "The four agreements" is a good one - a simple activity book that only asks you to make four agreements with yourself - then practice practice practice until those agreements are consistent. It might be all anyone really needs ... from ancient Toltec wisdom passed by mouth for thousands of years by the shamans of central and south America.

http://www.toltecspirit.com/

[Gillian]

I think that there was quite a bit of available esoteric knowledge during the Victorian era and, just before WWI, it became buried. One does wonder what skills are being kept from us: moving large heavy objects? alchemy? I too have wondered if I would be better off developing esoteric skills. I think divining and pendulum work, which are readily available, are about all I aspire to. Having said that, I don't seem to be finding the energy to develop even these. I have Reiki level II and I think that some of these energetic arts are a good foundation for any esoteric knowledge. Also, training is readily available.

I guess that what I am trying to convey is that their are available, foundations and teachings for esoteric abilities. In "The Ascension Mysteries," David Wilcock talks about learning a martial art that helped him focus his mind. I think focusing the mind and being able to drop it (meditation helps with this), are good beginnings to esoteric abilities. I was raised in a Theosophical family and I have attended Theosophical workshops where I have had some training in esoteric matters. So you might get some satisfaction through this route. Consider looking at Arthur Roy's book, "Curiosity's Reward." In this, he describes his spiritual / metaphysical life journey and some of the techniques he dabbled/dabbles with. William Tiller wrote the forward and the book has several pages of references to reading material that Roy used for his development which are worth the whole book. He also talks about several trips to Las Vegas to attend a course where they use their minds in the gambling hall to great success, as well as a trip to Monroe Instituted for hemi-sync therapy.

I decided that I was better off, for now, diminishing the ego and conquering fears like that associated with money, than chasing after esoteric skills, so maybe that is why I don't have the energy and drive to go further with the pendulum or rods. And I really need to become disciplined about meditation as I have found that I become quite psychic when I meditate regularly.

Have you studied Huna? Take a look at the work of Max Freedom Long. It is all about positive thinking, getting into a fearless calm state, letting go of belief systems that interfere with what one is trying to accomplish, like walking on hot coals without damaging the feet, and knowing without doubt that one will accomplish what one intends to accomplish. In fact, the Huna philosophy is to assume that a thing is done and keep focus on that. And this brings me back to the previous paragraph: until I deal with those, I don't think I can move forward with the esoteric.

Good luck, and I am sure you can find some basic techniques to wrestle with that will satisfy your desire for esoteric knowledge. And I think that as humans advance, those esoteric teachings will be found or intuited. It is my experience that all knowledge is held somewhere out there, wherever "there" is and I usually wave my hand at the sky to indicate this and meaning that it is in some sort of energy field, and we connect to it and pull it into our personal space. A college professor told me that Plato thought this too. I became convinced of this when I analyzed how I became aware of information that I needed to have but for which I had no learning to help me have it. And sometimes, I was given uninvited information that proved to be very useful, like turn off at the next highway exit, which my logical mind made me ignore. I regretted not listening because around the next bend, an accident occurred as I was coming up on the intersection. I then had to wait forty-five minutes to get through that intersection. And I have had amazing insights given to me while struggling with a problem and I have no idea where they came from, but suddenly they were there and I knew what to do. And I am equally convinced that if one needs to learn an exoteric technique, one will be given the necessary knowledge as one is ready for it.

And as mentioned in another of my posts, I think that ET disclosure and exposing religion will help with esoteric advancement.

[Jayren]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

They teach everything here,
https://universityofmetaphysics.com/enroll/

I'm enrolling in March.

[ghostrider]

They say the most vital information was lost by the destruction of the library of Alexandria ...

[greybeard]

In this video Rick Archer who has done over 300 interviews of spiritually awakening people talks about his understanding of this matter.
He speaks with refreshing down to earth humility.

One of your best posts ever. Tremendous value. Bravo!

Thanks Whiskey Mystic

I just share what I find to be interesting and may be helpful.

For years I went to the local Theosophical meetings--much on esoteric teachings there.
I find it best to remain open minded and not stuck--(nesting) in any particular teaching or teacher.

Chris

[Whiskey_Mystic]

For years I went to the local Theosophical meetings--much on esoteric teachings there.
I find it best to remain open minded and not stuck--(nesting) in any particular teaching or teacher.

Chris

Ok, I've decided to say it. There are schools or centers of learning that preserve ancient lineages and are entered by invitation only. "When the student is ready, the master will appear."

[enigma3]

Real "esoteric" teachings are out there. I have found that Dzogchen teachings and teachers are very approachable. They don't feed you bits of information like tantric teachers do. Start with recognizing the observer and spend time there. That is also called meditation without an object. Just sit and observe. As one becomes familiar with that it will deepen automatically. You start observing outwardly and eventually it turns inward. The inward observer is what you want to be introduced to. That leads to nonduality. Shutting down the brain so the observer just sees awareness. It is the first real experience of Grace coming to visit.

The subject of awakening is fraught with pitfalls and traps and dead ends. But what a trip! By far the best book on the subject is "Perfect Brilliant Stillness" by David Carse. He has one glaring error in the book but overall it is a must read for anyone interested in the subject. The error is that he does not see any productive help in greasing the skids for Grace to come and awaken one. Dzogchen and other Tibetan tantra is proof positive that greasing the skids does indeed work, and helps make one a suitable vessel for Grace to come calling.

Most of the "secret teachings" keep one thrashing around in duality. All that stuff is somewhat interesting in a curious way, but it is not helpful to awakening. Reject the fun dualistic paths if you are seriously interested in basking in your true self. Brain games are just that - games. When one becomes familiar with the observer the brain sinks into the background. Now the true path has been found. Also you know you are on the right path when joy infuses your basking.

[Catsquotl]

As for means of power. universal law, shifting dimensions, shifting Timelines, Gods and their power, Magic etc.
Those are speculative at best even in the so called mystery schools.

These are speculative to the student who has not experienced or practiced them. There are schools and there are schools.

The reason these are not taught openly is because too many students seek them out for their own sake. For power or to improve life circumstance. They are seen as the goal when in fact they are actually side effects or "collateral phenomenon" along the way to the real goal. In truth, they are inconsequential. If the student follows the true path, they will unfold naturally and not even need to be taught. Though guidance is helpful in assimilating them.

The fastest way to derail a student is to teach the right thing at the wrong time. And this is done deliberately at times to prevent a student from progressing and becoming a "Darth Vader". The achievement of power that is out of balance with wisdom and enlightenment. Like handing a nuclear weapon to a toddler. Some Taoist schools (we use the term "Lineage") call this state "The Valley of the Fallen Masters".



esoteric
adjective
1.understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric allusions.
2.belonging to the select few.
3.private; secret; confidential.
4.(of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be revealed only to the initiates of a group: the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.



Before I got derailed I asked what it was that is esoteric. And gave a few options.
My use of the word speculative came from that. You are right that there are schools and that there are schools. But even in those as a student you have to learn the basic narratives, the meaning or concepts that are taught. usually in specific ways so lessons can build on each other. Or insights can arise in a specific way. Along the way the student will train himself to percieve the world in a specific way which allows for a restructuring of the way the world is. At the point where the student is ready to let go his or her old notions of the way things are, they are ready to use their newfound/learned concepts with conviction "They Know".

A good school will of course guide the student to keep track of what is important and what isn't. Still it's very much up to the student to choose what interests him or her even though they have no way of knowing. There is a sutta somewhere where Buddha asks newly ordained monks what they want to learn. Then introduces them to his top student/teacher monks who have mastered different skill-sets or domains of understanding if you will. The students are free to choose whomever the want to get instructed by according to their interests/demeanor.

There is a movie with bill murray https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Razor's_Edge_(1984_film) Bill studies the Upanishads, goes to India and meditates. Finds some powers. And then continues life. There are plenty of secrets. But in the end there is no prize/reward. There is just life and what you make of it. Well that was my take away from it at least.
Look at this thread we have myriad book options, A talk and with some searching there are equally powerful talks to be found and shared. I think Truthster013 can find whatever he wants and still feel he wasn't shown the whole truth. Because that level of understanding comes from living life as best you can. Not from some teaching although some teachings tend to emphasize feeling fulfilled and whole more than others.

With Love
Eelco

[TrumanCash]

Hello, Truthster. You mentioned "Freemasons" and "Catholic church" in your opening paragraph so I am assuming that when you write the word "esoteric" you are referring to secret societies and religions and their ilk. In my research I discovered that both god-worshipping religions and secret societies were created by a sociopathic group of ETs that portrayed themselves as gods (or just "God"). They are often referred to as the "Annunaki". They were/are like actors who presented both an outer, beneficent facade and an inner, insidious and hidden core that practices human sacrifice and drinking human blood.

An example is the inner and outer mysteries of Egypt in the worship of Osiris. The public was only given the outer mystery of eating the body and drinking the blood of Osiris and was symbolized by eating grain crackers and fermented grain (beer, farther north, wine). It is the eucharist in Christianity. However, the "inner mystery" secret rituals were conducted in the Great Pyramid and did in fact involve cutting the heart out a living young woman and drinking her blood.

Manly P. Hall and other Freemasons have written that there is a secret society within that secret society. Albert Pike admitted in "Morals and Dogma" that the lower initiates were deceived as to the true meaning of the symbols. Therefore, the offshoots of these ET-created secret societies and religions are actually dead-ends for truth seekers; they are belief systems designed to control people via deception to keep mankind in spiritual darkness. It is a trap. They wrap it up in pretty boxes with colored ribbons and nice-sounding platitudes so it "feels good" and they even inject some truth to (hopefully) mask the deception, but it's a trap nevertheless.

Here is what I have experienced in my own path of truth seeking: We already have the truth within us. It is "recorded" as memories and can be looked at and even re-lived to varying degrees. Unfortunately, these same ET groups have enforced amnesia upon us Earthbound humans so that we do not easily remember our past lives and thereby learn from them.

However, by consciously tapping into our own past life memories we can find out who we are as spiritual beings and discover the nature of reality firsthand. WE, then, become the source of truth. One does not have to rely on others for truth (which is usually tainted with belief systems). In my own case, which I documented in THE EYE OF RA, it lead me to discover the matrix of Earth and how we are tricked into accepting beliefs instead of just seeking truth.

Doing extensive past life work can also help release blockages to spiritual abilities. It is a natural process.

[Truthster013]

I've spent a long time studying what the Sufi masters call the 'Batin Al Batin' the hidden of the hidden or the esoteric of the esoteric. At the heart of the mysteries they teach something called the Trinosophia i.e. the 3 fold wisdom: Alchemy, Kabbalah and Hermeticism.

There's always more to learn on these subjects and I've barely just scratched the surface of the mysteries but currently writing up my research into a series of books...the first two are already published on Amazon...

Ancient secrets of the mind (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ancient-Secrets-The-Mind-ebook/dp/B00E3OV2VU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378479581&sr=8-1&keywords=ancient+secrets+of+the+mind)
Subconscious Decoded (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Subconscious-Decoded-Guidebook-Influence-Manifestation-ebook/dp/B01ILXRP14/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1483360772&sr=1-2)

Let me know if you're interested and I'll PM you a copy. The Subconscious decoded book goes pretty deep into an ancient system of enlightenment that formed the core teachings of Buddhism, Druidism, templars, masons, rosicrucians, the order of the dragon court etc. Written over 22 chapters so that each chapter correlates with a card of the major arcana of the tarot, you'll be an expert in esoteric knowledge by time you reach the end...or at least a little bit further along the path to complete enlightenment...:o

Would really enjoy reading these! Especially if you're the author as I like the possibility of discussing things with you if you're open for that sort of thing.

[Ernie Nemeth]

There may be "true" esoteric knowledge hidden away somewhere on this planet.
There is nowhere where truth is completely isolated from perception.
We are human. We cannot deal in absolute truth because only absolutes can know it.
Our Selves can, but we are not ourselves. Mankind fell asleep long ago and has not yet awoken.
At best right now we can speculate, we can select wisdom teachings that sound good to us personally, we can grow and learn that we are asleep and how to wake up.
Perception in fact does indeed create reality - for the perceiver.

What you need, in terms of teachings, depends on where you are right now in the process...
have you been studying science? then a person like Deepak Chopra might be useful
Are you into philosophy? Then one like Trungpa Ringpoche might serve
are you wishing direct experience? then group teachings like yoga, zen, or tai chi
etc.

The most important thing is to start. The teachings will tailor themselves to your personal needs. The universe is like that...
Start anywhere and see how quickly you move on from one master teaching to another.

There are no completely false teachings, just as there are no completely true ones.
Truth at our level of sophistication is merely a choice.

[Truthster013]

The only esoteric teaching is.. esoteric. What I mean is that real wisdom and realization comes from you healing your traumas, going deep inside to face your biggest fears and pains and embracing them. I'm not saying this in a philosophical way but very realistically and practically. Absolutely no amount of external wisdom/knowledge can help anyone if we haven't done the work inside us first.

For example, if one of these groups you say, publicizes everything they know for the past 10000 years, most of humanity will use it to serve its ego and nothing good will come out of it. So, don't worry about it. Everything you need to evolve, to become a fully conscious human being, you already have right now. Use it instead of searching for external answers.

I'm not sure I'm getting the crux of my issue. I understand spiritual journeys NEVER end. I'm not excited about that but I get it. My point is that I believe there are universal laws we are being kept in the dark about that are practical (not just spiritual). For example, if there are beings that exist in a frequency range outside of our visible and audible spectrum we will never see or hear them. But what if the masters have developed technology that allows them to see and hear them? They may be learning a great deal from communicating with these individuals daily while we keep getting told "go find yourself, heal your inner self, etc, etc". Meanwhile they are sitting down at tables with extra dimensional beings and learning about real things while we're off finding ourselves forever.

[Catsquotl]

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

Yes you will.
If you focus all you are on that which you find important,
Whatever you pay attention to, That is what you will become conscious of.

You can believe me or not, but the esoteric out there, will always yield another secret somewhere else as long as you focus on the esoteric.
As soon as you start to pay attention to what is right in front of you the everyday mundane stuff. There's a plethora of truths to be experienced every time again. Those experiences will yield all kind of emotions, thoughts, reactions even. In time with attention you will find that thoughts are just thoughts, emotions just emotions and reactions just That. Life unfolding itself in all of its splendor with 10.000 joys and 10.000 sorrows.

With Love
Eelco

[Truthster013]

The fastest way to derail a student is to teach the right thing at the wrong time. And this is done deliberately at times to prevent a student from progressing and becoming a "Darth Vader". The achievement of power that is out of balance with wisdom and enlightenment. Like handing a nuclear weapon to a toddler. Some Taoist schools (we use the term "Lineage") call this state "The Valley of the Fallen Masters".

This is not directed as you by the way, just responding to a thought inspired by this quote. Part of my problem in the first places is all this thought that someone is your 'master' and that we are the students. When I studied certain topics on my own I found that I knew far more than the teachers in a subject yet I was CONSTANTLY told that I had to be taught and be a good student. If I disagreed with the "teacher" I was rebuked as being arrogant. I was reminded that I am a student and that I should let go of my ego. In fact, it was from MY perspective the teachers that had the enormous ego as they constantly told us that somehow THEY have better understanding and we need to be taught by them. I'm not interested in being someone's student. I am however interested in learning and I wil gladly learn from any brother or sister that shares insight I didn't have. It does not mean I will then call them my teacher just as when I share something they didn't think of I don't expect them to call me THEIR teacher. I'm not full of ego that I feel a student can't teach the teacher. Most "teachers" would say the same about themselves but then will be hard pressed to ever find a student who they think isn't speaking out of turn and needs to silence themselves and be taught first. Many of us accept others as our masters and repeat to ourselves that we need to be humble and just learn. Our entire education system (including esoteric schools) rests on the belief that someone always knows more than you and you should just be quite and learn from others. We are told the journey never ends so we never feel capable of teaching. Yet how can a teacher teach if they have not mastered the topic and the topic cannot be mastered? Now I'm rambling. LOL

[greybeard]

I believe the teaching of Mooji and some other non-duality "teachers".
Mooji is part of a linage--nothing is secret.
You are already that which you seek--but obstacles have to be removed.
Its not complex.
The teaching flows through him--he is there to serve, he is equal to those that follow the teaching.

The problem is followers label them selves devotees and call the messenger Master.
Any true teaching cant have a hierarchy.
A teaching of Non-duality is flawed if there is subject and object referred to-- I am the master you are a devotee for example.
One without a second is a clear definition--statement..

Various teaching--different routes but some lead away from Truth which lies within--not out there.
Some fortunate ones did not have a teacher--Eckhart Tolle and Ramana Maharshi for example--awakening spontaneous.

So whatever works for you is right for you.

Chris

[Carmody]

It is also a threshold thing. As in, if you get your head one inch higher, you can see and breathe, for the first time.

You can finally see one half of the sky, a half that is of 'other' awareness', that was just shadow and light beforehand.

From the below or other, it looks impossible to navigate, incredibly complex, and diversified.

Once in it, it may be that all those impossible things become simple and connected into one or a few directions/source points. It's a perspective issue.

Ie, you don't need one thousand books, or one thousand lives, you just need a minor perceptive shift.

In order to get there, though.... some of that thousand must be read, some the complexities be navigated, some roads walked, some lives lived.

When you see it, it becomes oh so simple.

But the awareness of the other who has not made enough of that journey...is a scenario that is not complete enough to understand the path or the puzzle. Yet.

Complex? Yes.

Complex? No.

That even a positive state of 1.00001 is enough for infinity to accumulate.

So get your nose above water, keep it there...and it will come.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Meanwhile they are sitting down at tables with extra dimensional beings and learning about real things while we're off finding ourselves forever.

I will try to speak plainly.

There are no shortcuts. There are people who will sell them to you, but they will lead you to a longer path in the end. You can take ayahuasca, for example, but ultimately you still have to do the work. You can learn black magic and interfere with the life paths of others, but ultimately you have to pay the karmic price. Transmissions can be given when your nervous system is not ready and fry you like old burnt out wiring. Someone can shock your kundalini awake, but you'll probably end up in an asylum.

However you go about it, you ultimately still have to do the work.

Let me say again. You cannot talk to interdimensional beings until you first reduce the static that your mind and body are creating that prevent you from doing so. This can sometimes even entail clearing karma, releasing somatic blockages, or repairing trauma from this life or another. There is no magic wand. It's work. And it can take lifetimes to get there. Impatience can be very destructive.

Another reason why this is so important is that there are a nearly (and perhaps literally) infinite number of entities that would love to trick you, deceive you, manipulate you, and use your for their own destructive agendas. Unless you do the work to clear yourself and train so that you can know truth from deception, which again we do through the body, then you become a dangerous liability.

I understand this isn't the answer you want, but that's what is real.

The answers are within, not without. And a good teacher can guide you, but the best will not seek to teach you parlour tricks. They will instead be willing to lead you to wisdom and enlightenment.

Everyone wants to become astral and fly to Jupiter and talk to the dragons. But that's not where the real answers are.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The teaching flows through him--he is there to serve, he is equal to those that follow the teaching.

The problem is followers term them serves devotees and call the messenger Master.
Any true teaching cant have a hierarchy.


There are different approaches. In the post-Vedic traditions of India, the Guru is worshipped as divine, but you're not worshipping the person. It's a symbol for the divine which also exists within you. It's just there for you to focus on.

In the Taoist tradition, the teacher is called the "dangerous friend".

In the shaman traditions of the Americas, the Shaman only teaches an apprentice Shaman and lives to simply support and guide the others in their own spiritual journeys. But certainly not to teach them to become Shaman. And even with his/her own apprentice only guides the student in their own journey. It's more passive.

This is a good thread. Hope everyone is having fun.

[Gillian]

I think that a large number of humans have shown that it is possible to contact other beings, angels, spirit guides, ET, fifth- and up dimensional beings, or simply their higher selves. Some have done it through automatic writing, some while in a meditative state, some through channeling. Kevin Moore of The Moore Show does many radio shows about this and is himself a channeler. As far as I can tell, if you do not have a pre-birth contract to do this work, you can still develop the ability through practice.

I still think that the reason most of humanity is not channeling or in contact with higher beings is because of the lack of ET disclosure thus allowing religious control through fear to continue. However, as one becomes ready (evolves) and starts looking for resources to aid in advancement, one will find them. There are many and they are easy to find. One just has to decide on a course of action and start practicing. Personally, I would go with the writing. It is known, and I have attended writing workshops with established and well-known authors who discussed this, that after writing for about seventeen minutes, something happens and the writer taps into something and the words flow better. I guess it is the writers' version of being in touch with a muse. I myself have experienced this.

As for Universal Laws: Bashar says there are four: 1, I am; 2 the all is the one and the one is the all; 3, what you put out is what you get back; and 4, everything changes except the first three laws.

But I think you are referring to physical laws as in quantum physics. "What the Bleep, Down the Rabbit Hole," gives some very simple examples that are a good foundation for this complicated subject. However, the physical is really all an illusion so whether it is worth learning about or not, I don't know. But it is my understanding that to travel through space might have more to do with shifting dimensions. Learning astral projection might be helpful. It is fun to use it for a form or remote viewing. Are you following all the John Titor stuff that has suddenly hit YouTube?

Personally, I cannot see how much of the higher teachings will help most of the human race, at the moment, because I think that a large majority of individuals will not be able to "hear" the messages. Look what humans have done to messengers: crucified, assassinated, imprisoned them. I hardly ever listen to Coast to Coast AM any more, but I have heard fundamentalist Christian callers who simply do not get what the guest is trying to say. There seems no way to get through to these people; not in this, their present lifetime. That is why I say we have to overthrow religion for humanity to advance.

[greybeard]

Dangerous friend will be the death of "me" --- smiling.
Yes the Divine within is worshiped.
Western civilization can misunderstand a lot of teaching --which originates from the east.
Namaste--one translation--I greet the Divine within.
Takes time to understand any valid teaching--however it is an energy--non intellectual shift that is necessary for the realization to occur.

Chris

[Truthster013]

I believe the teaching of Mooji and some other non-duality "teachers".
Mooji is part of a linage--nothing is secret.
Chris

Thanks, I have listened to some of Mooji's videos on youtube and I have found them beneficial in parts. I love his voice. Having said that I did get turned off watching him walk into a room and have people bow down and kiss him as he walks by. While he may not require that, he lifts out his hand to be kissed and adored and lets people fall on him and sob and cry at his feet which is a little off putting. I guess one can say he "allows it" but the whole thing bugs me enough that watching it puts me off from what might be a great message.

[Truthster013]

Hello, Truthster. You mentioned "Freemasons" and "Catholic church" in your opening paragraph so I am assuming that when you write the word "esoteric" you are referring to secret societies and religions and their ilk. In my research I discovered that both god-worshipping religions and secret societies were created by a sociopathic group of ETs that portrayed themselves as gods (or just "God"). They are often referred to as the "Annunaki". They were/are like actors who presented both an outer, beneficent facade and an inner, insidious and hidden core that practices human sacrifice and drinking human blood.

I am familiar with this line of thought and I am open to the possibility that this is mostly correct. However, I think there is more to esotericism than what you list in your post. I'm suggesting that there are universal truths and laws that are hidden. Say for example this possible scenario, say we all are spiritual beings and long, long ago we decided to make a playground out of physical stuff where we could take bodily form and experience things as flesh. Then say we started doing this but over time the "real" feel of this made up playground became so great that we began to believe it was "real" and that we were "trapped in it". We forgot that we are spiritual beings that made this whole place in the first place and we are only here because we CHOOSE to be here. We have forgotten it because we got so wrapped up in the flesh and what it means to have form and substance. In addition, others who "remember" what we are want to keep it secret because it allows them a more enjoyable physical experience. They can abuse us physically, steal our stuff, rape, pillage, or do whatever we want so long as we continue to forget we are all on equal footing. IF that sort of scenario is true, that sort of information should be out there but it's been kept hidden. The rest of us try to "awaken" from this false reality but those who remember the truth work to keep us focused on the physical world as a way to entrap us so they can have more fun. It would seem in this scenario that no ammount of soul searching is likely to suddenly awaken you to the truth. You will live your life as a physcal being, die in the flesh, and the who knows? Do you suddenly become "aware" at that point that all along you were just playing a game? I'd like to not just theorize about it but kind of find proof of something like this is happening before I do. That's my hope.

[Gillian]

I am familiar with this line of thought and I am open to the possibility that this is mostly correct. However, I think there is more to esotericism than what you list in your post. I'm suggesting that there are universal truths and laws that are hidden. Say for example this possible scenario, say we all are spiritual beings and long, long ago we decided to make a playground out of physical stuff where we could take bodily form and experience things as flesh. Then say we started doing this but over time the "real" feel of this made up playground became so great that we began to believe it was "real" and that we were "trapped in it". We forgot that we are spiritual beings that made this whole place in the first place and we are only here because we CHOOSE to be here. We have forgotten it because we got so wrapped up in the flesh and what it means to have form and substance. In addition, others who "remember" what we are want to keep it secret because it allows them a more enjoyable physical experience. They can abuse us physically, steal our stuff, rape, pillage, or do whatever we want so long as we continue to forget we are all on equal footing. IF that sort of scenario is true, that sort of information should be out there but it's been kept hidden. The rest of us try to "awaken" from this false reality but those who remember the truth work to keep us focused on the physical world as a way to entrap us so they can have more fun. It would seem in this scenario that no ammount of soul searching is likely to suddenly awaken you to the truth. You will live your life as a physcal being, die in the flesh, and the who knows? Do you suddenly become "aware" at that point that all along you were just playing a game? I'd like to not just theorize about it but kind of find proof of something like this is happening before I do. That's my hope.

I think that some of the universal laws and truths that are hidden from us are hidden because this is a planet of free will or choice.

Yes, they can abuse us as they choose, and humans under religious subjugation allow it. Expose the religious subjugation through ET disclosure, and when the dust settles, we can move on.

Meanwhile, be a little selfish, work on your own stuff if there is any left, and that will help the collective. Develop your metaphysical skills and that will make the drama more interesting for you, personally.

I can assure you that behind this "play," something amazing exists and what one thinks is going on, is not what is really going on. It is difficult to explain, but if one is graced with this experience, one never forgets it. What I am trying to say is that the great energy field that is behind the play is getting something quite different out of the play than what our actor selves are getting out of it.

[CurEus]

I feel the same way as the OP. Alas I am not confident that any of the mystery schools are free from having been corrupted long ago. At best I hear many of them dont even understand their own symbolism or rituals, many have been coopted for nefarious purposes. Much knowledge of indigenous knowledge keepers is either destroyed or not accessible to just anyone. I get annoyed with people who are " the only white person ever taught the secrets of the last/greatest shaman of ___________insert name of tribe...and then sell books or do seminars for the Learning Annex. The truly gifted Medicine men and women I have met made it clear that their path is not easy and not everyone on it has good intentions making it perilous for some. They also acknowledged that their way is not the only way nor do they "sell books" or give shaman 101 seminars. There are some Celtic Druid schools opening but nothing I have seen so far suggests to me that they retain anything even close to what Native Canadian/Americans have preserved. But then again...their paths/training does not require books...

Have you ever listened to Jay Weidner's Alchemy interviews? Although he is probably best known for examining Stanley Kubric's films I came to him know through his research into Fucanelli the Alchemist. Jay found a very old out of print book by Fucanelli that sent him on a path to unlock the mysteries of that work and decoding 12 Cathedrals in Europe which eventually led to him the enigma of the Cross of Hendaye in France and ultimately to an underground cave system in Peru. He's quite humble and engaging. What is important is the work he had to do to decode things and how it changed him.

This interview is excellent, but it starts off slow and mostly about his film work for the first 35 min or so.

He reveals a lot of information that he has not discussed before that you may consider to be valuable in your research. He suggests at one point that there are still some alchemists who are very much underground and well hidden but are warming up to the idea of sharing more knowledge. The only thing I could add is that Graham Hancok's work with Shamans in S. America is actually pretty close to something odd Fucanelli stated a few hundred years ago. The Peruvians/Maya/Aztec know everything! Intriguing as he was obviously there for quite some time. I note that during colonial times the FIRST thing to go were wisdom keepers/shamns/medicine men/women and their books, art, temples and codices destroyed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_awFN3f2M

[Catsquotl]

So maybe this needs a new thread. If so I'll ask to move it.
Gathered here with bits and pieces of esoteric knowledge. What was the single most lesson you learned or insight you gained. How did you obtain that knowledge i.e what made it finally click. Did previous lessons help in "mastering" this lesson?

For me I think the most valuable lesson I have come to understand is that everything changes. Right down to my core being. In other words that I have no base or core as I.
It has taken most of my forty plus years to master that teaching, If I mastered it that is, because at some levels I still have doubts.
I have come to my understanding by seeing how everything else I tried in the past seems to work out differently that popular or common similar stories.

Reiki for instance was one. Where even though I have had some successes in making people feel healed the most pure (my kids) wouldn't have any of it.
Channelings that seemed meaningless. Astral work where I met entities that were just as confused as myself and finally a time sync event where for a moment I experienced myself upright falling and fallen all at the exact same moment after meditating (vipassana) non-stop for 13 days during the last 50 hrs or so without any sleep.

It was then that I realized that all I did or do, was just a continuation of previous thoughts, ideas and actions.
I am not ready yet to "see" how my current thoughts and actions shape the future as I do them. Only in retrospect do I seem able to connect some dots.

The mindset that helped me in gaining this realization was pondering the so called 3 characteristics that according to Buddha make up any experience.

All things are impermanent. (http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+Impermanence)

The next characteristic is unsatisfactoriness (http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+Suffering)

The last and perhaps most misunderstood of the Three Characteristics is no-self (http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB+No-Self)

With Love
Eelco

edit:
I do realize that the realization and the way it came about is highly personal. Some life changing events I haven't mentioned but dealing with loss did play a part in "understanding" impermanence and unsatisfactoriness.

[greybeard]

I believe the teaching of Mooji and some other non-duality "teachers".
Mooji is part of a linage--nothing is secret.
Chris

Thanks, I have listened to some of Mooji's videos on youtube and I have found them beneficial in parts. I love his voice. Having said that I did get turned off watching him walk into a room and have people bow down and kiss him as he walks by. While he may not require that, he lifts out his hand to be kissed and adored and lets people fall on him and sob and cry at his feet which is a little off putting. I guess one can say he "allows it" but the whole thing bugs me enough that watching it puts me off from what might be a great message.

Stephen Wolinsky who seems to go a step further than most, says that the biggest temptation for a teacher is to think they are a teacher.
Identification with--labels --concepts to be released.

I find Stephen refreshing--is he right in his portrayal of Nasargadatta's teaching?
I dont know --but worth investigating.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkIKXgiKvCM

[Truthster013]

Have you ever listened to Jay Weidner's Alchemy interviews? Although he is probably best known for examining Stanley Kubric's films I came to him know through his research into Fucanelli the Alchemist. Jay found a very old out of print book by Fucanelli that sent him on a path to unlock the mysteries of that work and decoding 12 Cathedrals in Europe which eventually led to him the enigma of the Cross of Hendaye in France and ultimately to an underground cave system in Peru. He's quite humble and engaging. What is important is the work he had to do to decode things and how it changed him.


Thank you for the response and the suggested video/reading material. I'm building quite a list from this original post of things to look into. I can't possibly read/watch all of that in a timely fashion to comment but I'm adding it to my to do list. Thanks!

[Truthster013]

Stephen Wolinsky who seems to go a step further than most, says that the biggest temptation for a teacher is to think they are a teacher.
Identification with--labels --concepts to be released.

I find Stephen refreshing--is he right in his portrayal of Nasargadatta's teaching?
I dont know --but worth investigating.


Thank you. Adding it to my list.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

What was the single most lesson you learned or insight you gained.


I think the first and most important lesson for any student is "Beginner's Mind". I first came across this teaching through D.T. Suzuki. If everyone on the planet practiced this, we might just have world peace. :-)

I still return to this lesson again and again. As a Taoist Master and Lineage Holder once said to my Teacher, "It's all in the basics".

[Omi]

The greatest teachings have been taught openly for thousands of years. They are often overlooked by students who are unknowingly looking for something else.

The entire universe is enfolded within you. So there is nothing that can be kept secret from you.

Remove the static so you can hear the signal. Be willing to hear the signal by releasing attachment. The body is your gateway. It's not a secret.

And there are no shortcuts.


I couldn't agree more with Whiskey Mystic's words in this post, along with many others' posts here.
A great thread indeed, thank you for this.

Saying the esoteric knowledge is kept hidden, is as if to say the 3rd eye of a human being is kept hidden.
Average humans are not developed yet to see into their physical body with the two physical eyes, but human anatomy has been studied scientifically to prove that the 3rd eye aka the pineal gland exists within the human brain, and the existence of it is knowledge we've had since ancient times. For the opened and developed 3rd eye of a human being, veils are lifted from the hidden things which then become visible. Unfortunately humans are not like cats who naturally have more developed 3rd eye. It takes work to develop. Shortcuts could possibly appear, depending on how one decides to proceed.

Anything and everything is possible - if you can set your mind to it and have your heart in it's right place, when it's the right timing and for the right purpose, just let it happen.

I believe the soul naturally knows all esoteric knowledge. Good news is, the soul remembers everything at the moment of its physical death and upon returning to the astral planes. Some people who've had near-death experiences testify to this truth. There really is no secret, everything is within. Only question is how one can connect to the higher levels of one's consciousness. For most humans the knowledge is forgotten each time the soul incarnates onto earth as human beings, knowledge including memories of past lives. It's up to the individual whether they can become more open, humble and grateful for receiving the knowledge, by tuning into the higher consciousness through the help and guidance of benevolent schools, groups, societies of esoteric teachings, meditation, psychedelics etc. For some individual it may work better to seek the esoteric knowledge on their own. A good balance of individual work and group work may be preferable for some others. Whatever works for you is the right path for you, which is hopefully with positive energy and good purpose to serve for the better. All positive works on gaining esoteric knowledge will accumulate and help the soul to keep more of those memories at the time of its next reincarnation, if the soul is to experience more of it in the future.

I can only speculate onto why the secret societies have their system of accepting individuals only by invitation, is to keep their malevolent forces under their own control, so to gain more power, order and control over the mass. Otherwise the benevolent esoteric schools, at least the ones I know of, are rather more inviting and welcoming for those who are ready and willing to receive their teachings.

One important teaching I received from my Qi Gong master is that one must have a loving open heart, a trained 3rd eye and an enlightened crown chakra, at least to a certain degree, to receive esoteric knowledge. Being attuned to Reiki master degree before the Qi Gong training was a good start for me to rid the obstacles in my body and purify the channels, opening up and preparing for further teachings. I'm at a point now where I've let go of any healing methods, and opened myself up to connecting with new healing energies constantly being created in the multiverse. Utilizing the healing energies is another good way of bringing light onto more esoteric knowledge.



One teaching that we listen to very little is to develop the capacity to love (not have emotional gluey experience, but true love, with joy) and the desire for benevolence. Once this capacity is well developed, esoteric teachings can be imparted without to much risks of falling into control and power usage of it.

Once, I was hating someone soooooooo much, that while in that state, I realised that real spiritual powers could not be given to me if I have such hatred in my heart, I would have misused spiritual powers for control and harm. I had to develop the love and benevolence aspects much more so that hatred would dissipate by itself.

I am personally still working on the love aspect.



I can relate very much to Flash's experience on developing love.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us here.
The more I give prayers of love,
and grow my capacity to give and receive deeper love,
the more I realize that love is the answer to everything.

Dear fellow Avalonians and guests,
may we feel greater love with our good hearts.

Blessings

[Sean]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

They teach everything here,
https://universityofmetaphysics.com/enroll/

I'm enrolling in March.
I went to the website..kinda looks like a "degree mill"..no accreditation...vague descriptions on what is actually taught..but you do get to be an ordained minister..for the low low price of $1200+..but, at least you get low monthly payments..if you want esoteric knowledge..keep looking ;)

[Sean]

There has been something bothering for a very long time. I personally believe (but have no proof) that there a groups existing today that have VAST esoteric knowledge and teachings of the ancients that they keep hidden from the public as a form of control (i.e. knowledge is power). History seems to document that major groups sacked ancient wisdom temples and reported that the writings were destroyed or lost (which I think is bull****) so that the average person will stop looking. Be it the Catholic church who sacked the Great Library of Alexandria or perhaps the modern Freemasons who use the US Military to invade ancient religious sites like Iraq and secretly take possession of their relics and history books, the point is always to secure the information and keep it hidden from the masses.

I have sometimes considered trying to join an esoteric school such as the masons or Golden Dawn, or whatever to try and prove myself worthy to see this information for myself but I'm SO SICK of playing their game. I do not wish to be taught lies until someone decides I'm "worthy" of enlightenment.

And so, it seems we all share bits and pieces of what we know and understand. Most of what we all share here is our best guesses. None of us seem to have the full understanding. I'm thinking it simply is not allowed to get in our hands. So instead we are forced to guess, speculate, and look like fools while our "masters" keep it hidden from us and mock us for being un-enlightened fools.

Will it ever be possible in my lifetime that I will get serious new wisdom or truth or is it simply out of my control at this point because the bastards in control refuse to let me educate myself? It seems universal consciousness is changing so that we are all starting to wake up but it seems this process is something that will take hundreds or even thousands of years to fully develop and by then the physical body I know as "me" will be dead. So is this it? I just resign myself to the notion that I will never really know ANYTHING and have to just guess knowing that someday a future generation will finally get to know the truth?

So, the other night, I asked my spirit guides for some help/guidance, just before bed. I have a "dream", and, in it, one of my guides, in the guise of an Arab dressed in all white, hands me 2 things: 1) a cup of tea, and 2) a square glass "lens" with a small raised portion in the dead center of it. I took the tea as a "greeting/connection" kind of thing, but the lens..I think that's about perception, about, maybe looking within. Jesus is quoted as saying "The Kingdom of God is within you"..well, the knowledge you seek IS the "kingdom of god", so to speak. We are already connected to it, we just need to work on RECEIVING THE INFORMATION, because it's constantly being transmitted from source.

The human body has been described by some as a sort of "liquid crystal receiver" and I believe that to be basically true. Esoteric knowledge, things that others have discovered surely help..but I'd be really careful looking to others too much. Don't suppress your own knowing to join a group that claims to "know the truth", or has access to the "secrets", or however they say it. Most of 'em are BS. So many people(myself included) have given away their power this way.

Keep searching, trust your own power, and don't fall for the bull****.

[kirolak]

This Thing-that says-I enjoys two Name-less-nesses: "Guru is One" (because maybe it means that ALL is Guru) & the reported fact that when Krishna's step mother looked inside his open mouth for traces of stolen butter, she saw the Universe, with suns, moons & stars. . . for some reason, this explains everything to me. (As a child I was disappointed to see only my uvula in my mouth . . . :)

I also delight in the notion that a woman was once enlightened by a talking parrot.:bowing:

[Flash]

The human body has been described by some as a sort of "liquid crystal receiver" and I believe that to be basically true.

First, Truthster, we are all worthy of enlightenment, all of us, we just have to stop doubting.

The human body as liquid crystal receiver: interesting: i was told lately that a specific great avatar had a completely pure body, completely pure crystal, this being the mark of masters who are mastering matter, energies and incarnations and more.

[Sean]

[QUOTE=Truthster013;1124263]The human body has been described by some as a sort of "liquid crystal receiver" and I believe that to be basically true.

First, Truthster, we are all worthy of enlightenment, all of us, we just have to stop doubting.

The human body as liquid crystal receiver: interesting: i was told lately that a specific great avatar had a completely pure body, completely pure crystal, this being the mark of masters who are mastering matter, energies and incarnations and more.

that's actually my quote ;) I'd love to hear more about this avatar, do you have any more info about that?

[Flash]

The person who told me gave me the name, but I do not remember. If you give me up to a month or little more, I may be able to get it back. All I remember is that this avatar is a woman, in India. And it is not Guru Maii.

Sorry to have mix the quote between you and someone else.



the human body has been described by some as a sort of "liquid crystal receiver" and I believe that to be basically true.

First, Truthster, we are all worthy of enlightenment, all of us, we just have to stop doubting.

The human body as liquid crystal receiver: interesting: i was told lately that a specific great avatar had a completely pure body, completely pure crystal, this being the mark of masters who are mastering matter, energies and incarnations and more.

that's actually my quote ;) I'd love to hear more about this avatar, do you have any more info about that?[/QUOTE]

[Catsquotl]

Dipa ma? (http://www.lionsroar.com/mother-of-light-the-inspiring-story-of-dipa-ma/)

With Love
Eelco

[Chris Gilbert]

Honestly I chuckle when people talk about spiritual teachings and cultivation techniques being hidden. Maybe that was true a couple hundred years ago, but nowadays, there's hundreds of free books online! For cultivation of the body's chi, look up the Eight Pieces of Brocade Qigong on youtube. For awareness and refinement of the spirit, look up Vipassanna meditation (and possibly do a free retreat). Or the Secret of the Golden Flower pdf. There's plenty of stuff out there, most of it simple techniques that people ignore due to it being the case of the turtle that wins out in the end, whereas people want the fast track hare. You can progress faster with a good teacher of course, but your resonance with them can vary. If anything, the problem today is not things being hidden, but sheer noise pollution, there's so much stuff out there that it can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[bettye198]

I guess when I think about it, I have lived long enough to experience many paths. Catholicism, Metaphysics, New Age, all the channeling people, Self Realization Fellowship, Tao, all manner of Kundalini, Merkaba, Chanting, Numerology, Astrology, Graphology, all the histories, the list is longer than I care to jot down. I went back to self and asked where I may be led in the winter of my life. It popped up as E'asha teachings with the Melchisedek Cloister Emerald Order and the Library of Earth and how to elevate my DNA frequency with plasma frequencies. I figured this may be where I rest. Consciousness and increasing the vibration of my DNA.:heart:

[triquetra]

Just curious if the OP thought about tracing back the origins of any would-be real esoteric teachings?

The teacher was taught by their teacher, and so on and so forth, back in time, until arriving at what point? What is the original source of the teachings?

Once found, are those original sources always the kinds of sources which would be out of our current reach? Sources of information only available a very long time ago for whatever reason?

Many teachers of the more authentic and genuine meditation practices would explain here that the same codex of information exists at all times, and is always accessible to all, if only they choose to find it. In this sense, obtaining this codex from a teacher is really a kind of a plan B, or else at best a supplemental source - but not the best source.

This is because everyone knows the telephone game - with each re-explanation, an originally ineffable body of information will always be diluted some amount. This is why it is so incredibly hard to persist the original teachings of great teachers over many generations after they pass.

Therefore, any authentic teacher of a practice would say, the only source you can truly believe 100% (really 99.999..%) comes from within - but it is never there when we first look. It is a harder path than to simply absorb everything a teacher says, but it is the surer path. In the best case scenario, the teacher is really just there to keep the student from falling into one of the many traps along the way (many of which are explained here: https://veilofreality.com/2017/01/29/the-perilous-path-towards-awakening/ )

Esoteric groups may just play up the exclusivity of what they may know that others do not, simply as a way of maintaining their own relevance. The curious truth is that the best group is the one and the all - the journey within to find truths that would eventually be believed as completely by all, each on their own, if only they had the right circumstances, time and guidance to be able to reach that same conclusion themselves.

This last point understood sufficiently would be enough to give up this desire of some external source suddenly dumping out whatever it had to offer - it would never be as good as what you could find on your own path anyway, using external guidance as needed from time to time simply to keep you on track and not spinning circles.