Becoming nocturnal - do you know anyone who is?

[looking-glass]

Backgound: early retired, no material constaints, no family constraints = basically I don't need to be not nocturnal.

Over the last 2 months I have become nocturnal.

It started going later and later to bed.

Now, bedtime is when everyone else is waking.

This is unusual for me, never been a night worker (except military service).

It happened over a year and half after my early retirement (volition), so I am discounting this as a probable cause.

There have been no events to precipitate this and my semi-hermit lifestyle and my composure is calm and 'care-free'. In fact, I am having hightened calmness, peace and reacting more with (don't like the term) 'skin-orgasms' to music and good news personal stories.

Now to the point - I have tried to become diurnal by setting 'alarms' (hateful etymology) and then recently investigating sleep cycle times - for the various stages of sleep - so I can power nap to get 'back in sync'.

It's not working.

On the balance, I am not suffering or worried because of it, but I just find it very odd and would like to know if other folk know/ experience/ have opinions anything about it.

BTW I was promted to post this by Bill's thread on timelines.

Possible reasons?:
-my Subconscious knows knows there are harmful EMs around in daytime - sources unknown.

- my 'frequency' has changed and is incompatible with the general population's daytime 'emissions'. Hence the timeline 'heads up'.

- I am prematurly transitioning in an old person (just gone 50).

- A fuse has blown in my head and I am 'insane'.

So a request for opinons - is it common, odd are there possible things to consider?

regards, Max

[lucidity]

I think going intermittently nocturnal.... such that your sleeping pattern slowly cycles around the clock,
Is completely normal and nothing to worry about.

I've researched this several times in the past.
It happens quite often to unemployed and retired people, particularly those who live further
north, like UK, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland etc.
This is because bright sunlight 'resets' our internal body clock.
There's a relative absence of bright sunlight further north, especially in winter.

Researchers have done sleep cycle studies with people down mines and in caves
(no natural light) and watched to see when they naturally slept and how long they slept for.
Most people cycle around 24 to 25 hours... some individuals cycle at 26 hours.
If you're cycling at 25 hours, then you'll go to bed 1 hour later every day.
In 3 weeks and 3 days, you'll have gone 360 degrees round the clock.

Things you can do to regain a 'regular' sleep pattern:
(1) set an alarm clock (or two) to wake you at X O'clock every morning.... and get up and maybe get a shower.
(2) open the curtains and shutters in to your bedroom window so the morning
daylight can (a) help wake you up (b) reset your sleep cycle
(3) take 0.5 mg of melatonin 30 to 60 minutes before your intended sleep time.
(They sell it on ebay if your local pharmacy doesn't have it)
(4) get more exercise (helps almost everyone sleep better)

plus common sense stuff like taking no tea / coffee / hot chocolate / stimulates generally
within 6 hours of going to bed.

Hope this helps.... Good luck :)

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hi Max,
Just an idea; have you tried to go to another country which has daytime while your home has nighttime?

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi looking-glass

I've been like that most of my life.

If you don't try to regulate your night/day hours it could start to make you ill. You do need Sun Light.
I joke about it by saying, I mustn't stay in space for so long :)
I've given myself the symptoms of long term space flight IE:
Low Bone Density which in turn gives an all over acing body pain etc.

So do try to get a regular Day light intake.

It dose give you the time to do long meditation life style though :sun:

[Deega]

Whoua!, you're not old, you're not insane, I may be highly wrong but do you lack having a challenge every day?, do you have the feeling of being useless?, you probably tried a hobby?, is it possible to find a beautiful reason to go out in the day to do something altogether different than you have done over the years?

Retirement plays unexpected game on everyone reaching it.

You will find a way out of this, best to you with this challenge.

[DNA]

Backgound: early retired, no material constaints, no family constraints = basically I don't need to be not nocturnal.

Over the last 2 months I have become nocturnal.

It started going later and later to bed.

Now, bedtime is when everyone else is waking.

This is unusual for me, never been a night worker (except military service).

It happened over a year and half after my early retirement (volition), so I am discounting this as a probable cause.

There have been no events to precipitate this and my semi-hermit lifestyle and my composure is calm and 'care-free'. In fact, I am having hightened calmness, peace and reacting more with (don't like the term) 'skin-orgasms' to music and good news personal stories.

Now to the point - I have tried to become diurnal by setting 'alarms' (hateful etymology) and then recently investigating sleep cycle times - for the various stages of sleep - so I can power nap to get 'back in sync'.

It's not working.

On the balance, I am not suffering or worried because of it, but I just find it very odd and would like to know if other folk know/ experience/ have opinions anything about it.

BTW I was promted to post this by Bill's thread on timelines.

Possible reasons?:
-my Subconscious knows knows there are harmful EMs around in daytime - sources unknown.

- my 'frequency' has changed and is incompatible with the general population's daytime 'emissions'. Hence the timeline 'heads up'.

- I am prematurly transitioning in an old person (just gone 50).

- A fuse has blown in my head and I am 'insane'.

So a request for opinons - is it common, odd are there possible things to consider?

regards, Max


Most abductions are said to occur around 3am.
I've often wondered what kind of defense would it be for an abductee to be nocturnal and not sleep during the night?
Could you be subconsciously using this ploy to ward off would be abductions?
Just spit balling here.
Have a good day.

[shaberon]

Not sure if it's quite common, but sure, me, and a few people I've known.

Most likely reason: electric lighting. I can't remember the person's name, but someone did a fairly recent study on sleep prior to electricity, and reached the conclusion that in many cultures around the globe, the standard was "two sleeps". Most people would sleep when it got dark, then get up for an hour or two around midnight, and then sleep some more until dawn.

Chances are, if the only way to have light after dark was from relatively expensive candles or oil lamps, I would not be interested in staying up at night either.

[onawah]

There are reasons for irregular sleep patterns having to do with technology--EMFs, wifi, etc. and artificial lighting.
There are various ways you can protect yourself from these. See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93953-Barrie-Trower-The-Increase-In-Brain-Tumours-In-Children-IS-Down-To-Smart-Phones-WiFi&p=1124406&viewfull=1#post1124406
If you stay off your computer and don't watch TV for a couple of hours before your desired bedtime, it will be easier to fall asleep.
Not eating or drinking for several hours before bedtime is also helpful.
I tend to be a nightowl if there are no scheduling demands, and I think it's because I'm really sensitive and I like being awake when the world around me is quiet and restful.
And I read somewhere about a study which concluded that people who are born in the wee hours tend to be night owls, while people who are born during daylight hours tend to be the "morning people". ( I was born at 2:55 am.)
I think it may have to do with your preference as to whether you like things to be lively around you or quiet and peaceful.
But it's definitely healthy to get out into the sun as much as possible, and that's important no matter what your sleeping patterns are, so I try not to indulge in too many really late night binges, but I'm definitely not naturally a morning person.
I've heard that people with fibromyalgia (possibly also Chronic Fatigue as the two share a lot of the same symptoms) have irregular sleeping patterns because whatever it is that regulates that (in the brain, presumably) has been affected somehow.

[Patient]

Backgound: early retired, no material constaints, no family constraints = basically I don't need to be not nocturnal.

Over the last 2 months I have become nocturnal.

It started going later and later to bed.

Now, bedtime is when everyone else is waking.

This is unusual for me, never been a night worker (except military service).

It happened over a year and half after my early retirement (volition), so I am discounting this as a probable cause.

There have been no events to precipitate this and my semi-hermit lifestyle and my composure is calm and 'care-free'. In fact, I am having hightened calmness, peace and reacting more with (don't like the term) 'skin-orgasms' to music and good news personal stories.

Now to the point - I have tried to become diurnal by setting 'alarms' (hateful etymology) and then recently investigating sleep cycle times - for the various stages of sleep - so I can power nap to get 'back in sync'.

It's not working.

On the balance, I am not suffering or worried because of it, but I just find it very odd and would like to know if other folk know/ experience/ have opinions anything about it.

BTW I was promted to post this by Bill's thread on timelines.

Possible reasons?:
-my Subconscious knows knows there are harmful EMs around in daytime - sources unknown.

- my 'frequency' has changed and is incompatible with the general population's daytime 'emissions'. Hence the timeline 'heads up'.

- I am prematurly transitioning in an old person (just gone 50).

- A fuse has blown in my head and I am 'insane'.

So a request for opinons - is it common, odd are there possible things to consider?

regards, Max


Most abductions are said to occur around 3am.
I've often wondered what kind of defense would it be for an abductee to be nocturnal and not sleep during the night?
Could you be subconsciously using this ploy to ward off would be abductions?
Just spit balling here.
Have a good day.

At one point in my life I was staying up late to ward off things - but it didn't work. I don't think it was aliens though, but I do wonder of the correlation between ETs and other supernatural events.

[raregem]

I have been a night owl all my life. I think it is b/c of strife in the home by the adult(s) usually after 2 am and up.
I didn't want to be shocked into wakening at 3 a m to clean something. Just really never knew what was going to happen.
This was at a time when kids (well we were) were left at home without adult supervision.
I have never been able to become a night sleeper. Come evening I WAKE up no matter how little sleep I may have had.
This issue could just be a biologic clock setting, too.
Good luck to you. Mornings are so beautiful but (lol) I get sleeeeeeeeepy then.

[cursichella1]

Since childhood I've been impossible to awaken in the mornings, in a fog for several hours after I do wake up and at my best in the evenings.

I've never suffered from depression (though have had homicidal thoughts when a "cheery morning person" has tried to convert me) but have noticed since taking Vitamin D3 I'm much more alert on awakening. I don't fight it.

When I do go to sleep I fall asleep the moment my head hits the pillow and according to witnesses I don't move around at all when sleeping.

I read a thread on Avalon (or maybe Project Camelot?) a few years ago about keeping "Edison Hours" that was related to this and interesting. I'll try to find it.

[Antagenet]

Hello Max,

You aren't the only one! I have also been going to sleep later and later, and noticing that I seem to be in the best mood
when I go to sleep around sunrise or shortly thereafter. I actually get more hours of sleep when I sleep in the day, because
I find it easier to slip back into sleep if I wake up during the day. I do have a very dark bedroom so this helps a lot.

When I recently discovered that I am happier sleeping in the day and being awake all night, I was a bit peeved
that I never tried this before!!! How much happier could my life have been if I had just allowed myself to experiment
decades ago!!!!

As far as I am concerned, day is made for sleeping.

[Lifebringer]

You're on God time, as we Hebrews know it is the right time to pray or focus. He is waiting. You have His ear.
I've been like this since 04 when I woke up. I've adjusted to fit it and your probably gonna have to also. Does it interfere with you watching movies after 6:30 pm?
Thank goodness for movie recording.:highfive:

[norman]

Stock up on plenty of Vitamin D3, VitC, and raw food, and enjoy it without getting down about it. I like the dead night hours. It gives me a fantastic feeling of having the whole world to myself and I can think straight.

In my case it also means that I can listen to American internet radio channels as they go on air in the evening over there, while I'm peeking out the door to see what sort of a morning it's going to be :)

If it wasn't so taboo, I'd be off out for long night walks. I guess I'd be soon on the suspicious character list with the police if I did that nowadays.

I definitely don't recommend setting up alarms to wake you. If you're anything like me, being woken up before I'm good'n ready ruins my whole day and probably a couple of days. It gives me anxiety and sometimes heart twinges if I cut my sleep short. I don't mind going for 20+ hours at a stretch, if I'm focused on doing something, but I have to have a good long knockout sleep to recover properly.

I'm sure the last planet I lived on didn't have 24 hour days, more like 26 or 7. :)

[onawah]

I hate alarm clocks!
I just bought myself an electric alarm clock that provides the option of being awakened by sounds of Nature which gradually grow louder over a period of minutes, which is much less traumatic.
Now if I can just figure out how to program the darn thing! :mad2:

[avid]

I have noticed since I became single again, and undeterred by routines, I prefer to sleep earlier ie 9.00pm, then I awake 3.33 almost every night. Always within a minute or two each side. Live in a tiny country place. No timed appliances in house or on country road. Always up at 7.30, ready to go for the day, despite being awake for hours, checking tabs on web to pass time - here also - sometimes so tired.
Even through Xmas trip to Edinburgh with busy roads, light pollution, same thing happened! I went to bed later during holidays, but still 3.33am, despite no clock in bedroom, saw it was 3.33 on kitchen clock whilst refilling water glass.
Ah well, maybe I'm turning into a programmed crazy...🙄

[Ernie Nemeth]

I naturally keep late hours, if left alone to set my own schedule. As hard as I may try, within two weeks at most, I revert to sleeping 4 am to 12 noon. I always sleep exactly 8 hours. I find the world far more tolerable at night. I love to go for walks late at night, which I do often.

Onawah, I can set an internal alarm that works as long as I am not exhausted. I can set it for any number over about three hours, if necessary. I hate alarms clocks with a passion too. Nature sounds is nice to wake up to...

[looking-glass]

I think going intermittently nocturnal.... such that your sleeping pattern slowly cycles around the clock,
Is completely normal and nothing to worry about.

I've researched this several times in the past.
It happens quite often to unemployed and retired people, particularly those who live further
north, like UK, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland etc.
This is because bright sunlight 'resets' our internal body clock.
There's a relative absence of bright sunlight further north, especially in winter.

Researchers have done sleep cycle studies with people down mines and in caves
(no natural light) and watched to see when they naturally slept and how long they slept for.
Most people cycle around 24 to 25 hours... some individuals cycle at 26 hours.
If you're cycling at 25 hours, then you'll go to bed 1 hour later every day.
In 3 weeks and 3 days, you'll have gone 360 degrees round the clock.

Things you can do to regain a 'regular' sleep pattern:
(1) set an alarm clock (or two) to wake you at X O'clock every morning.... and get up and maybe get a shower.
(2) open the curtains and shutters in to your bedroom window so the morning
daylight can (a) help wake you up (b) reset your sleep cycle
(3) take 0.5 mg of melatonin 30 to 60 minutes before your intended sleep time.
(They sell it on ebay if your local pharmacy doesn't have it)
(4) get more exercise (helps almost everyone sleep better)

plus common sense stuff like taking no tea / coffee / hot chocolate / stimulates generally
within 6 hours of going to bed.

Hope this helps.... Good luck :)

Ah yes, was thinking about that, just let it run its course and somehow 'get back in sync'.Thaks for the numbers.

[looking-glass]

Hi Max,
Just an idea; have you tried to go to another country which has daytime while your home has nighttime?

Funny you should should say that. Woke up today err..night and that idea popped into my head. I was thinking looking up different time zones and where I should be on Earth right now. (going to put it on my reminders list). Aargh procrastination....no... just checked. Seems like New Zealand or Kamtchaka.. although the southern hemi would be better as they're in summer now.

[looking-glass]

Hi looking-glass

I've been like that most of my life.

If you don't try to regulate your night/day hours it could start to make you ill. You do need Sun Light.
I joke about it by saying, I mustn't stay in space for so long :)
I've given myself the symptoms of long term space flight IE:
Low Bone Density which in turn gives an all over acing body pain etc.

So do try to get a regular Day light intake.

It dose give you the time to do long meditation life style though :sun:

The needing sun part and vit D am thinking about. Always avoided bright sun-light. Was thinking anout those 'dawn sippers'. Could be a reason to get my camera out and take of few walks onto local hills.

[looking-glass]

Whoua!, you're not old, you're not insane, I may be highly wrong but do you lack having a challenge every day?, do you have the feeling of being useless?, you probably tried a hobby?, is it possible to find a beautiful reason to go out in the day to do something altogether different than you have done over the years?

Retirement plays unexpected game on everyone reaching it.

You will find a way out of this, best to you with this challenge.

In many of my jobs I needed deep thinking. My 'mind' needs to keep busy - albeit in an area of interest with minimal stress . ATM I am mastering the 'mathematical models' in a space RPG that involves time travel - which kind of sync'ed in with Bill's timeline thread which got me back into posting on PA.

[looking-glass]

(snip)
Most abductions are said to occur around 3am.
I've often wondered what kind of defense would it be for an abductee to be nocturnal and not sleep during the night?
Could you be subconsciously using this ploy to ward off would be abductions?
Just spit balling here.
Have a good day.

I would guess many on PA have read about that and thought 'has it happened to me?'.

But I don't think that is the case ATM, unless they are doing a very thorough min-wipe.

[looking-glass]

Not sure if it's quite common, but sure, me, and a few people I've known.

Most likely reason: electric lighting. I can't remember the person's name, but someone did a fairly recent study on sleep prior to electricity, and reached the conclusion that in many cultures around the globe, the standard was "two sleeps". Most people would sleep when it got dark, then get up for an hour or two around midnight, and then sleep some more until dawn.

Chances are, if the only way to have light after dark was from relatively expensive candles or oil lamps, I would not be interested in staying up at night either.

I have just installed a small utility on this windows machine called f.lux. It adjusts the colour 'warmth' of the screen to adjust to the current outside lux. Supposed to avoid the 'blue-light' at night sleep disturbance to screen scryers. Quite like it. Has not changed m sleep though.

[looking-glass]

Since childhood I've been impossible to awaken in the mornings, in a fog for several hours after I do wake up and at my best in the evenings.

I've never suffered from depression (though have had homicidal thoughts when a "cheery morning person" has tried to convert me) but have noticed since taking Vitamin D3 I'm much more alert on awakening. I don't fight it.

When I do go to sleep I fall asleep the moment my head hits the pillow and according to witnesses I don't move around at all when sleeping.

I read a thread on Avalon (or maybe Project Camelot?) a few years ago about keeping "Edison Hours" that was related to this and interesting. I'll try to find it.

Quick search led me to this page about Edison Hours:

https://www.brainpickings.org/2013/02/11/thomas-edison-on-sleep-and-success/

Quick scan of it talks about his worry of his light bulb on sleep and about power naps.

[looking-glass]

Hello Max,

You aren't the only one! I have also been going to sleep later and later, and noticing that I seem to be in the best mood
when I go to sleep around sunrise or shortly thereafter. I actually get more hours of sleep when I sleep in the day, because
I find it easier to slip back into sleep if I wake up during the day. I do have a very dark bedroom so this helps a lot.

When I recently discovered that I am happier sleeping in the day and being awake all night, I was a bit peeved
that I never tried this before!!! How much happier could my life have been if I had just allowed myself to experiment
decades ago!!!!

As far as I am concerned, day is made for sleeping.

I have just slept althrough the day, went to sleep about hour after dawn. Woke just after dusk. Woke totally refreshed, content and peaceful.
Unusual or odd, it's not worrying me :-)

[looking-glass]

You're on God time, as we Hebrews know it is the right time to pray or focus. He is waiting. You have His ear.
I've been like this since 04 when I woke up. I've adjusted to fit it and your probably gonna have to also. Does it interfere with you watching movies after 6:30 pm?
Thank goodness for movie recording.:highfive:

Noticed I am watching less and less TV. It has to be a really potentially interesting movie, documentry, music or space-opera. I look at the schedule and if it's on I may plan to watch it.

[Asyloth]

Hello,

There's really no need to look for any far-fetched explanation.

I've had the same kind of experience when I was around 23 years old, living like an hermit, unemployed, one or two years while being full time "truth seeking" (even thought I didn't really know what I was doing at the moment, just following my intuition)

And I was having the same situation, I begun going to sleep later and later until I found myself going to sleep when the sun came up and waking up when it was going down again. I've lived this way for some time and I have to say that I think it was a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Then I found work again and had lots of difficulties to adapt to "normal" hours again, getting up at 6 or 7 AM and going to sleep at 10-11 or 12 PM.

It could have a link with your list in your post but basically I think that it's just that sort of lifestyle that brings up this "shifted hours" situation.

Kind regards.

[looking-glass]

Stock up on plenty of Vitamin D3, VitC, and raw food, and enjoy it without getting down about it. I like the dead night hours. It gives me a fantastic feeling of having the whole world to myself and I can think straight.

In my case it also means that I can listen to American internet radio channels as they go on air in the evening over there, while I'm peeking out the door to see what sort of a morning it's going to be :)

If it wasn't so taboo, I'd be off out for long night walks. I guess I'd be soon on the suspicious character list with the police if I did that nowadays.

I definitely don't recommend setting up alarms to wake you. If you're anything like me, being woken up before I'm good'n ready ruins my whole day and probably a couple of days. It gives me anxiety and sometimes heart twinges if I cut my sleep short. I don't mind going for 20+ hours at a stretch, if I'm focused on doing something, but I have to have a good long knockout sleep to recover properly.

I'm sure the last planet I lived on didn't have 24 hour days, more like 26 or 7. :)

I experience what I term 'empathy interference'. In crowds especially... at night when they slumber 'the noise' has gone.

As for night walking, 'tis a sad indictment of our 'society' that makes me about thinking of getting a dog to legititmise my right to roam :-(

[cursichella1]

Stock up on plenty of Vitamin D3, VitC, and raw food, and enjoy it without getting down about it. I like the dead night hours. It gives me a fantastic feeling of having the whole world to myself and I can think straight.

If it wasn't so taboo, I'd be off out for long night walks. I guess I'd be soon on the suspicious character list with the police if I did that nowadays.

I definitely don't recommend setting up alarms to wake you. If you're anything like me, being woken up before I'm good'n ready ruins my whole day and probably a couple of days. It gives me anxiety and sometimes heart twinges if I cut my sleep short. I don't mind going for 20+ hours at a stretch, if I'm focused on doing something, but I have to have a good long knockout sleep to recover properly.

I'm sure the last planet I lived on didn't have 24 hour days, more like 26 or 7. :)

<<< It gives me a fantastic feeling of having the whole world to myself and I can think straight.>>>

That's exactly it! Thank you for putting it into words!

[Dennis Leahy]

Here's a book (recommended to me by Joe Sustaire), that may make you do whatever it takes to switch back to a daylight cycle: Health and Light, by John Ott. Circadian rhythms are not just queues but part of a healthy endocrine system. If you avoid full-spectrum light, you may be heading for health issues. Sunlight is a critical "nutrient."

[Ernie Nemeth]

Whenever the sun is out I remember to do a bit of sun staring.
I love the strong sunlight in my eyes and then the washed-out spot of vision that follows.
Yes sunlight is important.
So is exercise. I walk about 20 -30 miles every week to stay in shape.

But night time most minds around me are asleep, so are their creative powers. Their creative powers are unknown to them and so their powers often adversely impact me. Best when they are all asleep.
There are more possibilities when they are asleep. Less limits