Fort Lauderdale airport shooting: Multiple people shot dead by Florida gunman..6/1/17

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Fort Lauderdale airport shooting: Multiple people shot dead by Florida gunman

1 minute ago US & CANADA

"Multiple people" have been shot dead by a lone gunman at Fort Lauderdale airport
in Florida, say officials.The airport said there was an "ongoing incident" at the
baggage claim area in Terminal 2.There were several people dead and one person
in custody, Broward Sheriff's office said in a tweet.Hundreds of people were
standing on the tarmac as dozens of police cars and ambulances rushed to the
scene.Police received a call just before 1300 local time (1800 GMT) about shots
fired at Terminal Drive.Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said in a
tweet: "I'm at the Ft. Lauderdale Airport. Shots have been fired. Everyone is running."

Hundreds of people have been forced to wait on the airport tarmac for police to
clear the terminal.A Miami TV station tweeted footage claiming to be filmed from
inside the baggage terminal.The video shows several injured people laying on the
floor, as witnesses shout for medical help.A witness told NBC News the gunman
was shot by police less than a minute after the shooting began.

read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38535699

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LIVE: Shooting at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in Florida

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC0PuJjbd2c

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Sheriff: Multiple fatalities in airport shooting

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Published on 6 Jan 2017

At least nine people were injured in a shooting at the Fort Lauderdale airport on
Friday, a US official familiar with the incident said. The shooter is in custody,
according to the official.


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Mayor on shooting: We do not yet have a motive

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Multiple people were killed in a shooting Friday at the Fort Lauderdale airport, the
Broward County Sheriff's Office said on Twitter.

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Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting | Witness Describes Fatal Shooting

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Some conflicting reports as this incident unfolds.....


At Least Nine Shot At Fort Lauderdale Airport | NBC News

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Authorities say at least nine people were shot at Fort Lauderdale Airport
and the shooter is in custody.

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Reports of shots fired at Fort Lauderdale airport

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Shooter reportedly contained as passengers flee to tarmac

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Chaotic scene after Florida airport shooting

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
CNN's Boris Sanchez is on the ground at the Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood International
Airport where a lone gunman opened fire, killing at least three people.

[Cidersomerset]

Still conflicting reports.....Understandable



Airport Shooting: At Least 5 Dead, 8 Injured at Fort Lauderdale Airport

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Published on 6 Jan 2017

At least five people were killed in a shooting at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood
International Airport in Florida, official sources told ABC News.

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Multiple people dead, injured in Florida airport shooting

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Chaotic scene after Florida airport shooting

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
CNN's Boris Sanchez is on the ground at the Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood International
Airport where a gunman opened fire, killing five people.

Witness: 'I just ran'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiULyo1Cek4

Published on 6 Jan 2017
Gunshots erupted at the Fort Lauderdale airport, leaving multiple people dead.

Witness: Airport looked like a war zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=volyK14uBoQ

Published on 6 Jan 2017
Erik Whiteside tells CNN's Brooke Baldwin that he and his family had just walked
into the Ft. Lauderdale airport to claim their luggage when a shooting occurred.

[joeecho]

Esteban Santiago ID’d as Airport Gunman; Flew With Gun in Checked Luggage

Esteban Santiago, 26, has been identified as the gunman who opened fire at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Friday.

Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca wrote on Facebook that Santiago landed at the airport aboard a flight from Canada. Santiago checked a handgun in his luggage and retrieved it at the Terminal 2 baggage claim, LaMaca wrote, adding that he loaded the gun in a bathroom then came out and opened fire. NBC News, citing law enforcement officials, confirmed LaMarca's story.

Santiago was taken alive into custody. Five people were killed and eight people were wounded by Santiago, according to the Broward County Sheriff's Department.

Santiago was born in New Jersey, according to NBC News, and was a member of the U.S. Army National guard.

Santiago lived in Anchorage, Alaska from 2014 to 2016. Alaska court records show a criminal record there for minor traffic infractions including operating a vehicle without insurance and a broken taillight. Records also show his landlord evicted him for non-payment of rent in February 2015.

In January 2016, Santiago was charged with two misdemeanor crimes: one count of fourth-degree assault and another for damage of property over $50. According to a spokesperson from the Anchorage Police department the incident was related to domestic violence.

The case was resolved in March when Santiago entered into a deferred prosecution agreement, an alternative to adjudication where a state prosecutor dismissed the charges in exchange for Esteban’s completion of requirements that are unknown.

— Brandy Zadrozny

Source (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/06/sen-bill-nelson-identifies-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooter-esteban-santiago.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl)

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Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca wrote on Facebook that
Santiago landed at the airport aboard a flight from Canada. Santiago checked a
handgun in his luggage and retrieved it at the Terminal 2 baggage claim, LaMaca
wrote, adding that he loaded the gun in a bathroom then came out and opened fire.
NBC News, citing law enforcement officials, confirmed LaMarca's story.

Is that legal to carry the gun in your luggage ? They mention it in the report below
as well....They say he 'checked' his gun retrieved then as stated in # above.





Sheriff: Ft. Lauderdale shooter being interviewed by FBI

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Broward County sheriff provides update on airport shooting investigation

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Police: Airport shooting suspect in custody

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel says the lone suspect
in the Ft. Lauderdale airport shooting is in custody.

[joeecho]

Is that legal to carry the gun in your luggage ? They mention it in the report below
as well....They say he 'checked' his gun retrieved then as stated in # above.


Apparently it is Steve on domestic flights but International flights the rules vary.

I found the following on the economist.com web site under Gulliver Business travel.


American flights: put a weapon inside and declare as much to the Transport Security Administration (TSA). Under TSA regulations, the weapon must be packed in a hard-sided case and secured with an unbreakable lock. This means pilfering is impossible, and as a bonus the bag will be tracked more assiduously from check-in to baggage reclaim.

One person's experience with this said:


All I have to do upon check-in is tell the airline ticket agent that I have a weapon to declare...I'm given a little card to sign, the card is put in the case, the case is given to a TSA official who takes my key and locks the case, and gives my key back to me.

[Bob]

Yes its legal. It should be sealed unloaded, and any ammunition separate.

What I will assume this will create a new form of "picking up one's gun(s)" from checked luggage, sorta like a secure holding area, possible that it would even be OFF AIRPORT property.. Sorta like a hazardous cargo retrieval area..

The guy after discharging his weapon (after having reloaded a few times), then lay down weapon away from himself so that he could be taken in to custody, and not shot and killed by officers.

Apparently they've corrected the report to say the shooter used a military ID card, went to Anchorage, with his weapon checked thru.. His intermediate stop was MINNEAPOLIS, MN, not thru Canada, eventually ending up in Ft. Lauderdale Airport, having gotten his checked gun at Baggage Check.. Then went to the restroom, loaded it and then began his shooting spree..

The guy supposedly was recently discharged (4 months) ago from the Army, as a Combat Specialist..

If I read this right, the Combat specialist has an encyclopedic knowledge in hand-to-hand fighting styles; therefore understanding and analyzing opponents style of combat and flaws in the opponent's attack and defense. He can also use attacks that can automatically knock down the opponent or use the strength of the opponent to his favor.

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There is a story that the FED (FBI) 2 months ago in Alaska, that the shooter was complaining to them that the US Government was (did?) force him to watch ISIS related movies (and that was freaking him out).. So much so the FED's were concerned that they took him to a MENTAL ward for evaluation.. The FBI had apparently felt he was quite disturbed.. (so he has been on the Radar)

Another report says Army National Guard - http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Fort-Lauderdale-shooter-served-in-AK-Army-National-Guard.html


Original Story
Law enforcement sources identified the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter as Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old man born in New Jersey with ties to Alaska.

Multiple senior law enforcement sources tell NBC that Santiago was born in March 1990. Sources tell NBC he also had a military ID on him when he was arrested.

Santiago served in the Alaska National Guard until July of 2016, according to Candis Olmstead, the Director of Public Affairs for Alaska National Guard.

The Alaska National Guard is looking into how long Santiago served in Alaska.

On public records, Santiago had listed an address in South Anchorage. A man who now lives in the trailer says he does not know Santiago and that his family has occupied the home since Dec. of 2015.

KTUU also did a search of court records showing an Esteban Santiago was charged with two misdemeanors in 2016. The man listed in court records does have the same date of birth as the shooter in Florida.

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From CBS - it is reported this way:

Law Enforcement sources told CBSNews that in Nov. 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage, AK claiming he was being forced to fight for ISIS but was sent to a psychiatric hospital after Anchorage police were called. In 2011 or 2012, he was investigated for child porn. Three weapons and a computer were seized but there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

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Daily Mail, UK updated the data as follows -

NBC News reports that Santiago had a history of mental problems, but had reportedly been getting treatment.

His most recent address was in Naples, but he lived in Anchorage from 2014 to 2016, where his girlfriend and child continue to live. He is also from New Jersey.

Santiago was a combat engineer in the Army National Guard, and served one year in Iraq before being honorably discharged last year, the Army Criminal Investigation Division confirmed.

The motive for the shooting is still not known, but Florida Sen. Marco Rubio told CNN that Santiago may have gotten into an altercation on his flight earlier that morning.

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Other details about the shooter are now being released.

Court records in that state show he had a minor criminal record for traffic violations. He was also evicted by his landlord for failing to pay rent in February 2015.

Santiago was charged with fourth-degree assault and damage of property in January 2016, stemming from a domestic violence incident.

In March, Santiago settled the charges by agreeing to complete unknown requirements demanded by prosecutors in exchange for dismissing the case.

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The "one fingered salute" apparently is causing concern.. suggesting isis related terrorism action

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(Above the 'one finger salute' from the shooter of the Russian Ambassador to Turkey)

[Chester]

"...ABC News is now reporting he went from Anchorage through Minneapolis to Fort Lauderdale."

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/esteban-santiago-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooter-shooting-active-gunman-suspect-photo-citizen-isis-florida-facebook-new-jersey-victims-military/

[Tyy1907]

He was a member of the us army national guard
That stands out to me........

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Broward County mayor: Gunman is in custody

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Published on 6 Jan 2017

Broward County Mayor Barbara Shareif told CBSN that the gunman in the Fort Lauderdale
airport shooting is in custody. She did not comment on the identity of the gunman but CBS
News his learned that his name is Esteban Santiago and he was carrying a military ID.


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They talk about the gun regulations in this report....Its fairly common to carry fire
arms when travelling......

Ft. Lauderdale raises concerns about traveling with firearms

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Shooting reignites airport security questions

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Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting Details Released: Full Press Conference

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Published on 6 Jan 2017

Five people were killed and eight others were injured in a shooting at a baggage
claim area at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in Florida today,
before a suspected gunman was taken into custody, Broward County Sheriff Scott
Israel said

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The question is often asked in these events ......


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David Knight covers the recent developments concerning the Ft. Lauderdale and Air Canada's tweet.

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[Mandala]

I'm surprised this hasn't happened before. It's terrible when it's in your own back yard. Hey it's terrible no matter where it happens. Broward County has had helicopters in the air all day since it happened.

Think about it, you can legally check a gun, pick up your luggage on the carousel, or anyone else's luggage for that matter. There is little or no security when I pick up bags. No one checks to see if you have the right luggage.

Interesting ABC nightly news reported he turned himself into the FBI in Alaska saying the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos. Mental Health issues or not, I find that comment interesting.

[bluestflame]

The case was resolved in March when Santiago entered into a deferred prosecution agreement, an alternative to adjudication where a state prosecutor dismissed the charges in exchange for Esteban’s completion of requirements that are unknown.

that's the standout for me


#2 standout
Interesting ABC nightly news reported he turned himself into the FBI in Alaska saying the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos. Mental Health issues or not, I find that comment interesting.

[Cidersomerset]

ABC NEWS....

The Latest: Authority: Shooting Suspect Flew out of Alaska

By The Associated Press

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Jan 6, 2017, 7:10 PM ET

The Latest on a deadly shooting at the Fort Lauderdale international airport (all times local):

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6:45 p.m.

An authority says the suspect in a deadly shooting at a Florida airport flew out of Anchorage, Alaska.

Jesse Davis is chief of police at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport. He told The Associated
Press that 26-year-old Esteban Santiago flew out of Anchorage, Alaska, on a 9:52 p.m. Delta flight
Thursday, and that a firearm was his only piece of checked luggage. He says Santiago flew from
Anchorage to Minneapolis-St. Paul and on to Fort Lauderdale.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-multiple-dead-wounded-airport-shooting-44604216




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Former TSA official on security, traveling with weapons

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Former deputy TSA administrator Tom Blank provides insight on 'The Five'

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CIA NN ......This will be the official version I think ......:spy::spy::spy:

Airport shooting suspect identified

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Published on 6 Jan 2017
Police are interviewing Esteban Santiago, who they say is a suspect in the Ft.
Lauderdale airport shooting that left at least five dead and eight injured. CNN's
Boris Sanchez reports.

[Mandala]

I think anyone checking a firearm should pay a special fee like registered mail. Their bag is picked up at a special kiosk and they are escorted out after signing for their bag. Or, there is a special kiosk outside baggage pickup where you sign for your bag and then leave. Also metal detectors at doors to come into lower level baggage pickups.

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The case was resolved in March when Santiago entered into a deferred prosecution agreement, an alternative to adjudication where a state prosecutor dismissed the charges in exchange for Esteban’s completion of requirements that are unknown.

that's the standout for me


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Interesting ABC nightly news reported he turned himself into the FBI in Alaska saying the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos. Mental Health issues or not, I find that comment interesting.

Yes, very interesting.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The case was resolved in March when Santiago entered into a deferred prosecution agreement, an alternative to adjudication where a state prosecutor dismissed the charges in exchange for Esteban’s completion of requirements that are unknown.

that's the standout for me


#2 standout
Interesting ABC nightly news reported he turned himself into the FBI in Alaska saying the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos. Mental Health issues or not, I find that comment interesting.

We are in the middle of letter agency battles, right when Trump is ready to fire the CIA for being swamp suckers, as the ax is swinging suddenly an MKUltra victim, goes on a rampage...

MSNBC is saying when he went to FBI 9 months ago he claimed he was being isis programed by CIA... They turned him away, then he went into a psychological treatment, suddenly flying with a gun in his luggage, no questions asked... Now FBI wants to know more from him.

Is Russia showing the US they are expert brain hackers too?

Let's get psyop Satellites on mainstream entertainment news networks next...

My only question is why was anything on the DNC computer exposing corruption of their lead candidate in the first place?

John McCain had a video creating an isis beheading video on his phone for the Russians to take when he visited Putin.

We don't need better security, what we need is to get rid of ancient dumbass politicians...

[Bob]

This isn't hard to deal with.

If there is a flag, and there should be, on anyone with a "watch-list" type of issue, such as a criminal psychopath, one with a restraining order or protection order on them, has been brought in for a psyche eval, they have no business transporting a weapon, what-so-ever. They should be flagged on the spot.

That is a failure of the checks and balances system.

That he wasn't stopped at the outset is what evokes false flag insidiousness.. Focus on that, that "failure".. No psychopath antisocial individual who has been flagged should be traveling with any weapons, or anything which can be a threat to any one what-so-ever.

Secondly.. It makes absolutely NO-SENSE that a secure facility (an airport) in this case would allow a "checked weapon" to be dispersed in an area where it can be accessed (used) within a secure area by anyone other than an authorized security officer.

A weapon should be that was "shipped" with a person legally able to transport such, to be released to the person ONLY by a security officer, OUTSIDE the secure area, where if the person tries to load and use the weapon, the security officer can stop that person with lethal force if needed. Instantly.

So false flag programmed number 2.. People allowed to "ship weapons" and then have access to them without security ensuring that the weapons and individual are "safed" off and out of the secure facility..

Who in their right mind would allow (oh right TSA).. such a fiasco to happen..

This is what then should be checked, the false flag at the outset, the potential programming of the guy by the "army" for some insidious reason (there are numerous "shooters" having been apparently programmed for some insidious reason), and why such an absolutely insane security system exists while we are being forced to take off our shoes when traveling, but a weapon can be shipped with ammunition without any checks and balances.. Signing a "paper" means nothing to a psychopath, or anti-social terrorist.

[bluestflame]

excactly , if the fruits rotten , check the tree

[Gillian]

That's two recent/somewhat recent headline news shootings in Florida. Is Florida being singled out?

[ceetee9]

No disrespect Bob, but I have to take issue with most of what you said.


This isn't hard to deal with.

If there is a flag, and there should be, on anyone with a "watch-list" type of issue, such as a criminal psychopath, one with a restraining order or protection order on them, has been brought in for a psyche eval, they have no business transporting a weapon, what-so-ever. They should be flagged on the spot.

That is a failure of the checks and balances system.
And who decides who IS and who IS NOT a security risk? Oh yeah, the goment. And you're ok with this? And how do you prevent those "psychopaths" who haven't made the list yet from transporting their weapons?



That he wasn't stopped at the outset is what evokes false flag insidiousness.. Focus on that, that "failure".. No psychopath antisocial individual who has been flagged should be traveling with any weapons, or anything which can be a threat to any one what-so-ever.
More Orwellian government control and rights stripped away for the illusion of being "safer." See my previous comment and question.



Secondly.. It makes absolutely NO-SENSE that a secure facility (an airport) in this case would allow a "checked weapon" to be dispersed in an area where it can be accessed (used) within a secure area by anyone other than an authorized security officer.

A weapon should be that was "shipped" with a person legally able to transport such, to be released to the person ONLY by a security officer, OUTSIDE the secure area, where if the person tries to load and use the weapon, the security officer can stop that person with lethal force if needed. Instantly.
And we all know that no "security officer" could ever go off the deep end or be a terrorist or a government created "Manchurian Candidate" or that the person who gains access to his/her weapon could ever kill the security officer and then re-enter the "secure area," right?



So false flag programmed number 2.. People allowed to "ship weapons" and then have access to them without security ensuring that the weapons and individual are "safed" off and out of the secure facility..

Who in their right mind would allow (oh right TSA).. such a fiasco to happen.
You seem to believe that the government or some magical organization exists (or should exist) that will protect us from the "psychopaths." However, you do seem to imply that the TSA won't do it, but dream on if you believe ANY government agency is going to protect us.



This is what then should be checked, the false flag at the outset, the potential programming of the guy by the "army" for some insidious reason (there are numerous "shooters" having been apparently programmed for some insidious reason), and why such an absolutely insane security system exists while we are being forced to take off our shoes when traveling, but a weapon can be shipped with ammunition without any checks and balances.
Ah, you acknowledge that the government programs, at least some, (ostensibly military) personnel for "insidious" tasks, but then you seem to expect that same government to provide you with some type of system that will protect you as if none of those "insidious" programmed individuals would ever have been programmed to kill anyone, including American citizens. Do you not see a problem with that logic?


Signing a "paper" means nothing to a psychopath, or anti-social terrorist.Nor does it to those in power.

Your comments seem to suggest, at least to me, that you believe the government cares about protecting its people. Isn't it the government who created these monsters and zombies through all manner of programming, conditioning and "training?"

We have thousands of young people who join the armed forces believing they are doing it to protect our country and freedom while few, if any, question anything. Sadly, they offer up their lives to protect not America, but the elite and their global agenda that will one day, if left unchecked, will bury them and all of us and they are totally oblivious to this fact.

The problem isn't that we don't have enough "protections." The problem is that the majority of Americans believe their government cares about them and is there to protect them. There are many psychopaths out there and the worst ones, the ones we should ALL be concerned with, are the ones who govern us and who have sold their soul to the devil for money, power and control.

[Sean]

Apologies if this was posted already..but New York Daily News is reporting that the shooter visited an FBI office and said that CIA was trying to make him join ISIS.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/esteban-santiago-identified-gunman-fort-lauderdale-shooting-article-1.2937904

MK-Ultra? Gladio op?

also..This happens in florida, on the day Trump's election is certified by congress, and about an hour's drive from Mar-A-Lago, trump's palm beach property. Someone is sending a message, I think.

[Bob]

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Your comments seem to suggest, at least to me, that you believe the government cares about protecting its people. Isn't it the government who created these monsters and zombies through all manner of programming, conditioning and "training?"

We have thousands of young people who join the armed forces believing they are doing it to protect our country and freedom while few, if any, question anything. Sadly, they offer up their lives to protect not America, but the elite and their global agenda that will one day, if left unchecked, will bury them and all of us and they are totally oblivious to this fact.

The problem isn't that we don't have enough "protections." The problem is that the majority of Americans believe their government cares about them and is there to protect them. There are many psychopaths out there and the worst ones, the ones we should ALL be concerned with, are the ones who govern us and who have sold their soul to the devil for money, power and control.

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I state it as I see it. Having had a psychopathic stalker in my life assaulting my family, doing exactly what this psychopath did using the equivalent through "psychological warfare", for close to 30 years.. The system is flawed.

What is needed is exactly what I said to deal with this type of situation having seen this crap non-stop, day in and day out. IMHO of course.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well this one volunteered to be watched...

He walked in to the FBI less than a year ago and surrendered saying he was being programmed by CIA for an isis attack...

Now I believe he was being watched, but was able to walk to an airport and get by under FBI radar...

All bags get checked, any with a gun should notify the system for a quick passenger check...

That right there is when FBI alarm bells should have been set off...


Speaking of alarm bells, the day Trump has the official intelligence report, and his chance to blast their results, a CIA human robot lands close enough to his Special resort to send a strong message...

[robinr1]

that was truly an outstanding reply ceetee9. thank you sir

[Bob]

Well this one volunteered to be watched...

He walked in to the FBI less than a year ago and surrendered saying he was being programmed by CIA for an isis attack...

Now I believe he was being watched, but was able to walk to an airport and get by under FBI radar...

All bags get checked, any with a gun should notify the system for a quick passenger check...

That right there is when FBI alarm bells should have been set off...

Exactly Rocky - the alarm bells exist in the system to pick up exactly the issue.. But they were not triggered. To me that says something in the system failed. I say there probably is a false flag op happening specifically to setup some type of gun control. The Obama admin has been trying for more gun control, and Trump has been trying for the opposite. This guy the shooter matches very closely a type of programming which the shooter in Texas (who worked at Walter Reed Army medical hospital) could very well have been part of. Nidal Hasan who was the Texas shooter also came across being ISIS.. And made it through the system unchecked... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120325699


DANIEL ZWERDLING: Melissa, picture this. More than a year and a half before Hasan allegedly went on that rampage at Fort Hood, the officials who supervised him sat around wondering, could Nidal Hasan be psychotic? One of his key supervisors at Walter Reed reportedly told colleagues, Im worried that if Hasan deploys to Iraq or Afghanistan, he might leak secret military information to Islamic extremists. And another one of Hasans supervisors reportedly wondered aloud to colleagues: I wonder if Hasan might be capable of committing fratricide?

The common denominator is Iraq and Army. That this current fellow reported his psychotic episodes was interesting.. Apparently he tried to get help, but the programming apparently was too strong.. I am surprised that he didn't try "death by cop", but instead chose to "surrender" by laying down spread eagle, awaiting capture..

In Hasan's case, he was bound for Afghanistan..Hasan "was forcefully opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan" --- that a psychiatrist could be turned says something about the programming..

[Rocky_Shorz]

For those who missed what I added...


Well this one volunteered to be watched...

He walked in to the FBI less than a year ago and surrendered saying he was being programmed by CIA for an isis attack...

Now I believe he was being watched, but was able to walk to an airport and get by under FBI radar...

All bags get checked, any with a gun should notify the system for a quick passenger check...

That right there is when FBI alarm bells should have been set off...


Speaking of alarm bells, the day Trump has the official intelligence report, and his chance to blast their results, a CIA human robot lands close enough to his Special resort to send a strong message...

[Bob]

Apologies if this was posted already..but New York Daily News is reporting that the shooter visited an FBI office and said that CIA was trying to make him join ISIS.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/esteban-santiago-identified-gunman-fort-lauderdale-shooting-article-1.2937904

MK-Ultra? Gladio op?

also..This happens in florida, on the day Trump's election is certified by congress, and about an hour's drive from Mar-A-Lago, trump's palm beach property. Someone is sending a message, I think.

Sean, it may not be MK-Ultra, or Monarch, but what specifically stood out was that the shooter after his rounds were emptied, lay down spread eagle on the floor awaiting for the authorities to pick him up.. Having been in the medical emergency first responder field since 1970, one gets a chance to see behaviors of the insane, the druggies, the stalkers, the perps, the innocents. This one looks programmed, following a script, IMHO of course. In an earlier post I stated from experience what the most logical solution would be to deal with psychopaths, those "flagged", those carrying weapons, and potentially being at-risk to the safety of the rest of the public. This shooter made it through the "system", and the system should not have let him through.. So I question how come..

I pointed out Nidal Hasan, the Walter Reed psychiatrist who somehow also made it through the 'system' and proceeded to kill folks at of all places Killeen Texas.. The name is odd a Kill-een place.. But whatever there.. One I think should be concerned that the 'programming' can be so perfect, that in the case of the Ft. Lauderdale shooter, he tried to get help, but apparently was not able to break through either the programming, or those who saw him trying to 'break out' preferred to keep him 'on mission'..

If there is a conspiracy, if there is a concern about deep embedded 'sleepers' things like this shooter getting through and carrying out should be a concern I think. So I agree with you, what was it that drove him.. That he used an ISIS hand signal (i mentioned that in an earlier post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95314-Fort-Lauderdale-airport-shooting-Multiple-people-shot-dead-by-Florida-gunman..6-1-17&p=1125470&viewfull=1#post1125470) which seemed to be missed apparently), may mean something, considering the same hand signal was used by the shooter of the Russian Ambassador to Turkey not too long ago..

It says to me those programmers are quite happy with the level and solidity of their programming.. IMHO of course..

[Innocent Warrior]

Bob wrote -

I pointed out Nidal Hasan, the Walter Reed psychiatrist who somehow also made it through the 'system' and proceeded to kill folks...

So Hasan worked at the Walter Reed Medical Centre, that's interesting. I was just reading an article on the history of CIA electromagnetic mind control experiments, the following is an excerpt from that article -

At Walter Reed Army Hospital of Research in 1973, Dr. Joseph Sharp, strapped inside an isolation chamber, heard “words” beamed at him in a pulsed-microwave audiogram. (An audiogram is a computerized analog of the spoken voice.) ARPA’s Robert O. Becker foresaw in the experiment “obvious applications in covert operations.” Becker imagined a barrage of “voices” driving an enemy insane, and post-hypnotic suggestion radioed to a programmed assassin, directing him to kill.

Full article HERE (https://sites.google.com/site/mcrais/voices).

[Bob]

Bob wrote -

I pointed out Nidal Hasan, the Walter Reed psychiatrist who somehow also made it through the 'system' and proceeded to kill folks...

So Hasan worked at the Walter Reed Medical Centre, that's interesting. I was just reading an article on the history of CIA electromagnetic mind control experiments, the following is an excerpt from that article -

At Walter Reed Army Hospital of Research in 1973, Dr. Joseph Sharp, strapped inside an isolation chamber, heard “words” beamed at him in a pulsed-microwave audiogram. (An audiogram is a computerized analog of the spoken voice.) ARPA’s Robert O. Becker foresaw in the experiment “obvious applications in covert operations.” Becker imagined a barrage of “voices” driving an enemy insane, and post-hypnotic suggestion radioed to a programmed assassin, directing him to kill.

Full article HERE (https://sites.google.com/site/mcrais/voices).

There you go, dots being connected. There was another if I recall, who claimed "microwave" beaming into his head, who went after the Naval facilities.. http://truthstreammedia.com/2013/09/18/report-was-navy-yard-shooter-gangstalked-with-mind-control-microwave-weapons/

Aaron Alexis was the person claiming to have been targeted.


Alexis reportedly told the officer that three people were sent to “follow him and keep him awake by talking to him and sending vibrations into his body.” Alexis attempted to change hotel rooms to another at a Navy base “where he heard the same voices talking to him through the walls, floor and ceiling.” Alexis also noted these people were “using ‘some sort of microwave machine’ to send vibrations through the ceiling, penetrating his body so he cannot fall asleep.”

What I pointed out to Sean, there is absolutely no sane reason for a shooter to just lay down spread eagle on the floor to await law officers to pick him up. This action sounds like a demonstration of effectiveness of program commands given to him.

[Bob]

With reference to my other posts re: the topic that the Shooter was part of a false flag and being "controlled" - NY Times even picks up on this

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/fort-lauderdale-airport.html?_r=0


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Florida Airport Assailant May Have Heard Voices Urging Violence, Officials Say

Federal law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether the gunman who opened fire on Friday at the airport in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., killing five people and wounding eight, was mentally disturbed and heard voices in his head telling him to commit acts of violence.

According to a senior law enforcement official, the gunman, identified as Esteban Santiago, 26, walked into the F.B.I. office in Anchorage in November and made disturbing remarks that prompted officials to urge him to seek mental health care.

Mr. Santiago, appearing “agitated and incoherent,” said “that his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency,” the official said.

re: post 29, 28, 27 and earlier references to the shooter saying he was being programmed..

[ceetee9]

:bs:
I state it as I see it. Having had a psychopathic stalker in my life assaulting my family, doing exactly what this psychopath did using the equivalent through "psychological warfare", for close to 30 years.. The system is flawed.

What is needed is exactly what I said to deal with this type of situation having seen this crap non-stop, day in and day out. IMHO of course.

Bob, I'm sorry you've had a psychopath stalking and assaulting your family and without a doubt the "system" is flawed, but giving up more of our rights and freedoms, creating an even more draconian police state, and/or attempting to resolve violence with more violence is foolhardy at best, IMHO.

I think an approach that would be far more beneficial to everyone is to find the root cause of why there are psychopaths, why we allow them to hold positions of power and authority, and finding a humane way to correct this, potentially deadly, character trait.

[ThePythonicCow]

Bob, I'm sorry you've had a psychopath stalking and assaulting your family and without a doubt the "system" is flawed, but giving up more of our rights and freedoms, creating an even more draconian police state, and/or attempting to resolve violence with more violence is foolhardy at best, IMHO.

I think an approach that would be far more beneficial to everyone is to find the root cause of why there are psychopaths, why we allow them to hold positions of power and authority, and finding a humane way to correct this, potentially deadly, character trait.

Thanks, ceetee9, for "not taking the bait" in Bob's Post #22 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95314-Fort-Lauderdale-airport-shooting-Multiple-people-shot-dead-by-Florida-gunman..6-1-17&p=1125546&viewfull=1#post1125546).

Bob - that post was over the top, and if I had noticed it a few hours earlier, before others replied in various sensible ways, I might have deleted that post.

In my personal view, the effort to keep us safe from bad guys has to be balanced with the effort to keep our government from becoming overly tyrannical. In particular, just as we have the right not to be imprisoned, unless convicted in a trial, with the opportunity to hear the charges and evidence against us, and to present our defense, similarly we (should) have a right to travel freely, unless so convicted. That right to travel has been partially taken from us, thanks to a no fly list that is managed in secret, without reasonable recourse to us. A government with the unchecked power to keep us safe from evil is a government with the unchecked power to impose just such evils on us.

In my forum administrative view, we each, you, me and ceetee9, have a right to hold various opinions on such matters, and to present those opinions in a manner that respects the rights of other forum members to hold different views.

You're welcome to hold your views strongly, but don't beat someone else over the head with your views, just because they disagree.

[bluestflame]

storyline is starting to smell more like the orlando nightclub shooting background

[Rocky_Shorz]

As for the Turkey Shooter, he kicked out all witnesses, then cops stormed in, banh bang suspect dead, or was he?

Must be easier to recycle than train someone new...

[kirolak]

Yes its legal. It should be sealed unloaded, and any ammunition separate.

What I will assume this will create a new form of "picking up one's gun(s)" from checked luggage, sorta like a secure holding area, possible that it would even be OFF AIRPORT property.. Sorta like a hazardous cargo retrieval area..

The guy after discharging his weapon (after having reloaded a few times), then lay down weapon away from himself so that he could be taken in to custody, and not shot and killed by officers.

Apparently they've corrected the report to say the shooter used a military ID card, went to Anchorage, with his weapon checked thru.. His intermediate stop was MINNEAPOLIS, MN, not thru Canada, eventually ending up in Ft. Lauderdale Airport, having gotten his checked gun at Baggage Check.. Then went to the restroom, loaded it and then began his shooting spree..

The guy supposedly was recently discharged (4 months) ago from the Army, as a Combat Specialist..

If I read this right, the Combat specialist has an encyclopedic knowledge in hand-to-hand fighting styles; therefore understanding and analyzing opponents style of combat and flaws in the opponent's attack and defense. He can also use attacks that can automatically knock down the opponent or use the strength of the opponent to his favor.

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There is a story that the FED (FBI) 2 months ago in Alaska, that the shooter was complaining to them that the US Government was (did?) force him to watch ISIS related movies (and that was freaking him out).. So much so the FED's were concerned that they took him to a MENTAL ward for evaluation.. The FBI had apparently felt he was quite disturbed.. (so he has been on the Radar)

Another report says Army National Guard - http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Fort-Lauderdale-shooter-served-in-AK-Army-National-Guard.html


Original Story
Law enforcement sources identified the Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter as Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old man born in New Jersey with ties to Alaska.

Multiple senior law enforcement sources tell NBC that Santiago was born in March 1990. Sources tell NBC he also had a military ID on him when he was arrested.

Santiago served in the Alaska National Guard until July of 2016, according to Candis Olmstead, the Director of Public Affairs for Alaska National Guard.

The Alaska National Guard is looking into how long Santiago served in Alaska.

On public records, Santiago had listed an address in South Anchorage. A man who now lives in the trailer says he does not know Santiago and that his family has occupied the home since Dec. of 2015.

KTUU also did a search of court records showing an Esteban Santiago was charged with two misdemeanors in 2016. The man listed in court records does have the same date of birth as the shooter in Florida.

http://www.elnuevoherald.com/ultimas-noticias/izf8x6/picture125032094/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/Exmilitar.jpg

From CBS - it is reported this way:

Law Enforcement sources told CBSNews that in Nov. 2016, he walked into an FBI office in Anchorage, AK claiming he was being forced to fight for ISIS but was sent to a psychiatric hospital after Anchorage police were called. In 2011 or 2012, he was investigated for child porn. Three weapons and a computer were seized but there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/06/21/3BE81C3000000578-4095720-image-a-107_1483739983238.jpg

Daily Mail, UK updated the data as follows -

NBC News reports that Santiago had a history of mental problems, but had reportedly been getting treatment.

His most recent address was in Naples, but he lived in Anchorage from 2014 to 2016, where his girlfriend and child continue to live. He is also from New Jersey.

Santiago was a combat engineer in the Army National Guard, and served one year in Iraq before being honorably discharged last year, the Army Criminal Investigation Division confirmed.

The motive for the shooting is still not known, but Florida Sen. Marco Rubio told CNN that Santiago may have gotten into an altercation on his flight earlier that morning.

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Other details about the shooter are now being released.

Court records in that state show he had a minor criminal record for traffic violations. He was also evicted by his landlord for failing to pay rent in February 2015.

Santiago was charged with fourth-degree assault and damage of property in January 2016, stemming from a domestic violence incident.

In March, Santiago settled the charges by agreeing to complete unknown requirements demanded by prosecutors in exchange for dismissing the case.

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The "one fingered salute" apparently is causing concern.. suggesting isis related terrorism action

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1hY9YxXUAIBwdV.jpg

(Above the 'one finger salute' from the shooter of the Russian Ambassador to Turkey)

What a bizarrely long finger?? Was it photoshopped in?? :(

[Iloveyou]

Bob - that post was over the top, and if I had noticed it a few hours earlier, before others replied in various sensible ways, I might have deleted that post.

I'm having a most probably stupid, inappropriate, but certainly sincere question here. Being a non-native speaker, I usually get the overall picture, but not certain details, connotations, submeanings nor the shades and tones in linguistic expression. So I don't get what exactly was so over the top in said post, that would have justified to delete it. If it's obvious to any native speaker, then I apologize for my ignorance. But I really would like to know.

On topic: In another example, although I know that the money- and banking system is a (the) core tool for control and suppression - and connected to the powers who's agenda is to wipe out a large part of the population - I'd expect to be safe from any shootings or assaults when I walk into the local bank branch. The same in an airport. On the one hand, higher up on the pyramid of power a mind controlled assailant is linked immediately to those who created and control him (as well as the government). On the other hand there are the daily life situations where those attacks are carried out. Imo these are two very different levels and there's space for unpredictabilities and uncertainties in between, a space where countermeasures could be taken. For example to control who enters an airport with a weapon plus ammonition, without violating people's rights (to carry guns or to be unmonitored to the last detail of their life).

As a honest but heavily ridiculed politician in my country once said: Things are getting very, very complicated.

edit: So it was the "Bull****'s". :idea: Thank you, Paul.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm having a most probably stupid, inappropriate, but certainly sincere question here. Being a non-native speaker, I usually get the overall picture, but not certain details, connotations, submeanings nor the shades and tones in linguistic expression. So I don't get what exactly was so over the top in said post, that would have justified to delete it. If it's obvious to any native speaker, then I apologize for my ignorance. But I really would like to know.
Bob was adamant that his position was the only legitimate position and that other positions were :bs:, which conclusion he repeated some six times.

Such is not discussion with respect, but rather looking down on the reasonably stated but dissenting positions of others with what I took to be scorn.

[sunwings]

More fake news by the mainstream media... yet another false flag to keep us living in fear. How pathetic!

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[RunningDeer]

What a bizarrely long finger?? Was it photoshopped in?? :(
Good eye, kirolak. You can see the line and coloration, and compare it to his other index finger. Probably to emphasize the 'one finger salute'.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/General/finger_zpsptgihzme.JPG

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/General/finger-piece_zpsyaqn3hsr.JPG


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1hY9YxXUAIBwdV.jpg

(Above the 'one finger salute' from the shooter of the Russian Ambassador to Turkey)

[SilentFeathers]

I wonder if this is a staged event, in one layered part, to control the media cycle for this weekend? A Wag the Dog kind of story. It has so many over the top, blatant, elements - three letter agency, mind control, maybe gun control, maybe "terrorist", sketchy multiple shooter report - that it looks designed to control the alternative + mainstream media cycle through diversion.

So what is so dangerous to the controlled narrative that would warrant this event? Could it be the four black person hate crime against the white Trump supporting victim? It's the kind of story that would typically headline mainstream media (MSM) - race hate crime, politics, violence, graphic video, etc. - and the story is noticeably buried in the MSM.

I don't know, but it's an interesting speculation... regardless, very sad situation.

I would say this has more to do with taking the attention away from Trumps intelligence briefing and him saying the Russians didn't do it rather than the 4 scumbags who put that poor handicapped guy through pure hell.

I'm also speculating of course....

[Rocky_Shorz]

I still believe this was a warning to Trump to never stand against the CIA Having this attack so close to his favorite resort. I believe Soros pushing for civil war explains the BLM event completely unrelated.

MSNBC is having fun mentioning their handlers in the CIA ties to the Florida attack.

So now we know the DNC interfered with the DNC hack investigatiin by not allowing intelligence agencies to run forensics on the equipment.


After Hillary threw a $975,000 dollar Champaign bottle at the 150" tv given to her by the Saudis, donors are demanding an audit of her campaign spending...

I haven't seen any mention of it through the mainstream propaganda fake news networks.

Isn't that news worth knowing?

[ThePythonicCow]

Good eye, kirolak. You can see the line and coloration, and compare it to his other index finger. Probably to emphasize the 'one finger salute'.
His hands, including that finger, look rather like mine, which have long skinny fingers, and even have such lines, on the inner folds of some finger joints.

I don't have good, commonly used, metrics for hand sizes, but my feet are similarly long and skinny. My foot size is American 15 AA - literally one foot long and about three inches wide.

Also both of his index fingers, one raised in salute, and one on the gun, seem to be of similar length.

I don't think it's photoshopped.

[The Freedom Train]

suddenly an MKUltra victim, goes on a rampage...

MSNBC is saying when he went to FBI 9 months ago he claimed he was being isis programed by CIA... They turned him away, then he went into a psychological treatment, suddenly flying with a gun in his luggage, no questions asked..

This is it in a nut shell. Mind control. Shadow government programming for covert operations/false flags.

[The Freedom Train]

He walked in to the FBI less than a year ago and surrendered saying he was being programmed by CIA for an isis attack...

Now I believe he was being watched, but was able to walk to an airport and get by under FBI radar...

All bags get checked, any with a gun should notify the system for a quick passenger check...

That right there is when FBI alarm bells should have been set off...

Just like Pearl Harbor - look the other way and let it happen, then use it to the desired advantage.

[The Freedom Train]

No disrespect Bob, but I have to take issue with most of what you said.


This isn't hard to deal with.

If there is a flag, and there should be, on anyone with a "watch-list" type of issue, such as a criminal psychopath, one with a restraining order or protection order on them, has been brought in for a psyche eval, they have no business transporting a weapon, what-so-ever. They should be flagged on the spot.

That is a failure of the checks and balances system.
And who decides who IS and who IS NOT a security risk? Oh yeah, the goment. And you're ok with this? And how do you prevent those "psychopaths" who haven't made the list yet from transporting their weapons?



That he wasn't stopped at the outset is what evokes false flag insidiousness.. Focus on that, that "failure".. No psychopath antisocial individual who has been flagged should be traveling with any weapons, or anything which can be a threat to any one what-so-ever.
More Orwellian government control and rights stripped away for the illusion of being "safer." See my previous comment and question.



Secondly.. It makes absolutely NO-SENSE that a secure facility (an airport) in this case would allow a "checked weapon" to be dispersed in an area where it can be accessed (used) within a secure area by anyone other than an authorized security officer.

A weapon should be that was "shipped" with a person legally able to transport such, to be released to the person ONLY by a security officer, OUTSIDE the secure area, where if the person tries to load and use the weapon, the security officer can stop that person with lethal force if needed. Instantly.
And we all know that no "security officer" could ever go off the deep end or be a terrorist or a government created "Manchurian Candidate" or that the person who gains access to his/her weapon could ever kill the security officer and then re-enter the "secure area," right?



So false flag programmed number 2.. People allowed to "ship weapons" and then have access to them without security ensuring that the weapons and individual are "safed" off and out of the secure facility..

Who in their right mind would allow (oh right TSA).. such a fiasco to happen.
You seem to believe that the government or some magical organization exists (or should exist) that will protect us from the "psychopaths." However, you do seem to imply that the TSA won't do it, but dream on if you believe ANY government agency is going to protect us.



This is what then should be checked, the false flag at the outset, the potential programming of the guy by the "army" for some insidious reason (there are numerous "shooters" having been apparently programmed for some insidious reason), and why such an absolutely insane security system exists while we are being forced to take off our shoes when traveling, but a weapon can be shipped with ammunition without any checks and balances.
Ah, you acknowledge that the government programs, at least some, (ostensibly military) personnel for "insidious" tasks, but then you seem to expect that same government to provide you with some type of system that will protect you as if none of those "insidious" programmed individuals would ever have been programmed to kill anyone, including American citizens. Do you not see a problem with that logic?


Signing a "paper" means nothing to a psychopath, or anti-social terrorist.Nor does it to those in power.

Your comments seem to suggest, at least to me, that you believe the government cares about protecting its people. Isn't it the government who created these monsters and zombies through all manner of programming, conditioning and "training?"

We have thousands of young people who join the armed forces believing they are doing it to protect our country and freedom while few, if any, question anything. Sadly, they offer up their lives to protect not America, but the elite and their global agenda that will one day, if left unchecked, will bury them and all of us and they are totally oblivious to this fact.

The problem isn't that we don't have enough "protections." The problem is that the majority of Americans believe their government cares about them and is there to protect them. There are many psychopaths out there and the worst ones, the ones we should ALL be concerned with, are the ones who govern us and who have sold their soul to the devil for money, power and control.

I was under the impression that Bob was speaking sarcastically - going over point by point what is already systemically in place and pointing out that the usual checks and balances (orwellian as they already are) were not even implemented because this was an intentional "mistake" - a convenient false flag oversight.

[Cidersomerset]

Former FBI official talks shooting investigation process

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Published on 7 Jan 2017
Steve Pomerantz provides insight after Ft. Lauderdale airport attack

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Officials Look Into Background of Suspected Ft. Lauderdale Airport Shooter


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Published on 7 Jan 2017
ABC News' Brian Ross reports on the latest news emerging about Esteban Santiago.

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FBI seeks motive behind Fort Lauderdale airport shooting

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Published on 7 Jan 2017
The investigation is underway for the motive behind the Fort Lauderdale airport
shooting. CBSN security consultant Ron Hosko tells how the search for accused
gunman Esteban Santiago's motive is unfolding.

[Bob]

No disrespect Bob, but I have to take issue with most of what you said.


This isn't hard to deal with.

If there is a flag, and there should be, on anyone with a "watch-list" type of issue, such as a criminal psychopath, one with a restraining order or protection order on them, has been brought in for a psyche eval, they have no business transporting a weapon, what-so-ever. They should be flagged on the spot.

That is a failure of the checks and balances system.
And who decides who IS and who IS NOT a security risk? Oh yeah, the goment. And you're ok with this? And how do you prevent those "psychopaths" who haven't made the list yet from transporting their weapons?



That he wasn't stopped at the outset is what evokes false flag insidiousness.. Focus on that, that "failure".. No psychopath antisocial individual who has been flagged should be traveling with any weapons, or anything which can be a threat to any one what-so-ever.
More Orwellian government control and rights stripped away for the illusion of being "safer." See my previous comment and question.



Secondly.. It makes absolutely NO-SENSE that a secure facility (an airport) in this case would allow a "checked weapon" to be dispersed in an area where it can be accessed (used) within a secure area by anyone other than an authorized security officer.

A weapon should be that was "shipped" with a person legally able to transport such, to be released to the person ONLY by a security officer, OUTSIDE the secure area, where if the person tries to load and use the weapon, the security officer can stop that person with lethal force if needed. Instantly.
And we all know that no "security officer" could ever go off the deep end or be a terrorist or a government created "Manchurian Candidate" or that the person who gains access to his/her weapon could ever kill the security officer and then re-enter the "secure area," right?



So false flag programmed number 2.. People allowed to "ship weapons" and then have access to them without security ensuring that the weapons and individual are "safed" off and out of the secure facility..

Who in their right mind would allow (oh right TSA).. such a fiasco to happen.
You seem to believe that the government or some magical organization exists (or should exist) that will protect us from the "psychopaths." However, you do seem to imply that the TSA won't do it, but dream on if you believe ANY government agency is going to protect us.



This is what then should be checked, the false flag at the outset, the potential programming of the guy by the "army" for some insidious reason (there are numerous "shooters" having been apparently programmed for some insidious reason), and why such an absolutely insane security system exists while we are being forced to take off our shoes when traveling, but a weapon can be shipped with ammunition without any checks and balances.
Ah, you acknowledge that the government programs, at least some, (ostensibly military) personnel for "insidious" tasks, but then you seem to expect that same government to provide you with some type of system that will protect you as if none of those "insidious" programmed individuals would ever have been programmed to kill anyone, including American citizens. Do you not see a problem with that logic?


Signing a "paper" means nothing to a psychopath, or anti-social terrorist.Nor does it to those in power.

Your comments seem to suggest, at least to me, that you believe the government cares about protecting its people. Isn't it the government who created these monsters and zombies through all manner of programming, conditioning and "training?"

We have thousands of young people who join the armed forces believing they are doing it to protect our country and freedom while few, if any, question anything. Sadly, they offer up their lives to protect not America, but the elite and their global agenda that will one day, if left unchecked, will bury them and all of us and they are totally oblivious to this fact.

The problem isn't that we don't have enough "protections." The problem is that the majority of Americans believe their government cares about them and is there to protect them. There are many psychopaths out there and the worst ones, the ones we should ALL be concerned with, are the ones who govern us and who have sold their soul to the devil for money, power and control.

I was under the impression that Bob was speaking sarcastically - going over point by point what is already systemically in place and pointing out that the usual checks and balances (orwellian as they already are) were not even implemented because this was an intentional "mistake" - a convenient false flag oversight.

Thank you for seeing it. :)




I was under the impression that Bob was speaking sarcastically - going over point by point what is already systemically in place and pointing out that the usual checks and balances (orwellian as they already are) were not even implemented because this was an intentional "mistake" - a convenient false flag oversight.

[shaberon]

After Hillary threw a $975,000 dollar Champaign bottle at the 150" tv given to her by the Saudis, donors are demanding an audit of her campaign spending...


I would love to see a picture of this. Kind of hard to imagine she has the strength to do much of anything, I'd guess it bounced.

Just as another sidetrack, some military figures of speech we keep using:

"Over the top": (WWI) Crazy enough to jump out of one's trench, surmount the rampart and charge the enemy. Invokes the death of thousands for a few yards of Belgian mud.

"The whole nine yards" (WWII) Length of a bullet belt for the machine guns in airplanes--giving it all to one target.

Anywho, with situations like this, a perfectly plausible M. O. is the guy wanted to spend his life behind bars. Other scenarios are plausible as well, I just happen to be a bit slow to jump to the false flag/programmed assassin idea in every case.

[Cidersomerset]

FBI Explains Why Airport Shooting Suspect Wasn't on No Fly List | NBC News

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Published on 7 Jan 2017

FBI discusses it's interaction with Ft. Lauderdale airport
shooting Esteban Santiago when he lived in Alaska.

[ceetee9]

I was under the impression that Bob was speaking sarcastically - going over point by point what is already systemically in place and pointing out that the usual checks and balances (orwellian as they already are) were not even implemented because this was an intentional "mistake" - a convenient false flag oversight.

Ok. So if Bob was really speaking sarcastically, why would he not only not address one question or comment I made (except for his :bs: emoji) and then say to me:


I state it as I see it... What is needed is exactly what I said to deal with this type of situation having seen this crap non-stop, day in and day out. IMHO of course.

That doesn't sound sarcastic to me. It sounds like he really believes more controls, or at least, implementation of the “checks and balances” are what is needed. And what I was trying to convey is that what we already have in place has so far done little to prevent these incidents and that if this was indeed a false flag operation (and I have no idea if it was or was not, but I certainly don't dismiss that theory) that no amount of more government sanctioned controls or implementation of those “checks and balances” are going to stop this type of insanity. If the government (or, should I say, the nefarious group within the government) wants to create a false flag operation, it is going to create it. Checks and balances will be suspended, security guards will be distracted or redirected (assuming they aren't part of the operation) and the psychopath/terrorist/MKULTRA victim/Manchurian Candidate/programmed assassin (or whatever word or phrase you prefer) will be allowed to fly with his or her weapon where it will be accessible somewhere.

All more lists, controls and security “safeguards” will do is erode more of our rights and freedoms, inconvenience the public more, enable the government to add more people who are critical of government to their lists (whether warranted or not), and will do nothing to stop false flag operations.

I will give you one example of what I'm talking about. My wife's boss always travels with his gun on business trips for protection (and takes several weapons when on a hunting trip). All very legal. He is no threat to anyone except someone who may choose to attack him, yet he is the one who is continuously inconvenienced and delayed at airports (if you think taking your shoes off is an inconvenience, try taking a gun with you). Yet these shootings continue to occur. Are they the result of insufficient controls, poor checks and balances, inept security, people who haven't made a watch list yet? Perhaps. But if they are the result of a false flag operation (for whatever purpose), does anyone seriously believe that those killers would be stopped by more controls, security and/or checks and balances?

At some point, we have to start to address the root cause of these problems if we don't want to live in a police state and truly want better safety and security. But make no mistake about it, if some nut, psychopath, group or programmed assassin is determined to slaughter as many people as possible by taking down a plane, blowing up a building, bridge or train, or choosing any number of other targets where many people congregate, they are highly likely to succeed—and we have plenty of history to substantiate that claim. We simply cannot protect every target, every day from every potential threat and anyone who believes we can is living in a dream world.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Another new piece to the puzzle, he turned in his gun when he went to FBI and said CIA was programming him. They required him to do a psych evaluation to get it back which he did in December. He got it back just before flying to Florida...

Guess he went to the Sara Palin psych unit, only had to answer a few questions...

Name, who is Obamacare named after and what are his favorite fish to shoot with his gun?

Doncha know he passed with flying colors...

[Chester]

Consider that at just about the exact same time this gunman went on his shooting spree, Trump was receiving his "intel report." What if during that report, "hints" were dropped that not just one, but many (loved ones standing close by?) could be dropped by a lunatic
just
like
that.

Of course, comments like the one I just made are usually eaten up by folks on these forums (including myself). I sometimes wonder if my own imagination goes a little overboard even since I became grounded after my last exploration into woo woo land with "insiders."

I will say it sure seemed odd to have the extremely vivid dream last night with Micheal and Barack Obama who were passionately apologizing to me for their "acting." But also, that dream may have been implanted all and only to cause me to soften up.

[bluestflame]

a reminder re: orlando http://www.blacklistednews.com/This_story_could_be_the_smoking_gun_for_false-flag_operations/51997/0/38/38/Y/M.html


Santa Monica; Two police officers who wish to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation say that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was found with a car full of explosives and weapons on Sunday morning, told police he was part of a team that planned shooting attacks on gay communities in Florida and California.



Howell told police he was turning himself in because he wanted protection. His story was that he had been assured by his recruiters that he would not be harmed in the shooting but, when he heard on the news that Omar Mateen, the lead gunman in the Orlando group, had been killed by sniper fire, he realized he was being set up as a patsy and would be killed.

Soon after that, the FBI took over the investigation, and information to the public was filtered to remove any facts that might show the Orlando shooting as a planned event involving others. GetOffTheBS 2016 Jun 15 (Story) (Cached)

It is important to remember that the police officers who are the source of this story choose to remain anonymous, so it cannot be independently verified at this time, but circumstantial evidence supports it. For example:

(1) After the FBI took charge of the investigation, Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks changed her original report that Howell was part of a group of five people who intended to do harm at the gay-pride event in West Hollywood. Her altered report made no mention of anyone other than Howell.

(2) The web site that reported this story is still carrying the article without triggering legal action against it. That is significant because, if the story is false, immediate legal action would be expected. If it is true, Howell will be killed or ‘disappeared’ to prevent him from talking, but the last thing the perpetrators would want is a public trial where witnesses can be called to testify.

[shaberon]

In January 2016, Santiago was charged with two misdemeanor crimes: one count of fourth-degree assault and another for damage of property over $50. According to a spokesperson from the Anchorage Police department the incident was related to domestic violence.


Under long-standing federal law, a misdemeanor conviction for a crime of domestic violence prevents the sale or transfer of a firearm. If the FBI had run *their own* background check, his weapon should not have been returned simply due to this. I don't mean run a check independently, I mean they are the agency which the check runs through. Military background means nothing other than a form of ID with respect to this.

Anybody can learn how to dodge a psych evaluation, but if this conviction is correct and on record...all they needed to do was run *their own* background check, which really takes no longer than entering his information to a computer. Cheap, fast, and not a matter of evaluation in any way.

Edit: well, what I said only applies to dealers, technically meaningless considering the FBI only "temporarily possessed" the gun, but in principle, that's how it works.

[bluestflame]

found this posted elsewhere are they actually mocking us now ? _83bS-LF3Pg

original "tube"got pulled , here's an alternative

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[Cidersomerset]

found this posted elsewhere are they actually mocking us now ?

One thing I noticed during many of these incidents CIA NN and the BBC are quick
off the Mark ....Good Journalism ? Tip off ? or Script.....

We all remember Jane Stanley on 9/11 who was probably just a stooge reading
her script.....

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Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect charged
8 January 2017
From the section US & Canada

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38545653




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Another American Known Wolf? Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooter Evaluated by FBI,
Worked for Security, Amid Backdrop of Mass Drills

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ANOTHER AMERICAN KNOWN WOLF? Fort Lauderdale Shooter Known to FBI, Worked
for Security, Amid Backdrop of Mass Drills

January 7, 2017 By Shawn Helton 0 Comments


Shawn Helton
21st Century Wire

‘Another shocking active-shooter incident rocks America. This time, according to the Broward
County Sheriff’s Department, thirteen people were shot as five others died after an apparent
shooting rampage took place at Fort Lauderdale’s Hollywood International Airport yesterday.

At the moment, there is still no clear motive for the shooting attack and no evidence linking the
suspect to terror. However, officials have yet to rule out the possibility of terrorism.

The timing of this shooting attack cannot be overstated, as there was a major US intelligence
review over an alleged Russian hack influence on America’s 2016 election that was scheduled
on the very same day…’

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Read more: Another American Known Wolf? Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooter Evaluated by FBI,
Worked for Security, Amid Backdrop of Mass Drills

http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/01/07/another-american-known-wolf-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooter-evaluated-by-fbi-worked-for-security-amid-backdrop-of-mass-drills/

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A couple more from CIA NN.......I don't think they could of faked all the casualties
as that would mean hospitals , police and many would have to be involved. But
there could have been some manipulation.....


Suspect's brother: He was a peaceful person

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Published on 7 Jan 2017
The brother of the Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect says his brother was
not well after returning from the Iraq War.


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Grandmother among shooting victims

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Published on 7 Jan 2017
CNN's Ryan Young talks about the condition of the victims at the Fort Lauderdale
airport shooting.

[Cidersomerset]

There are very odd features to this case even in these mainstream news items...



Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting Surveillance Video

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Published on 9 Jan 2017
New images tonight of the deadly airport shooting in Fort Lauderdale the moment
it started. Video obtained by TMZ shows the suspect walking through baggage claim,
pulling out his gun and appearing to fire at random. Brian Ross Investigates reports. http://abcn.ws/2isDpKp

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Florida airport shooting suspect appears in court

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Published on 9 Jan 2017
CBS News' David Begnaud describes the Iraq war veteran that appeared in court after allegedly
killing five at a Fort Lauderdale airport.

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Ft. Lauderdale Airport Shooting Suspect Heads to Court

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Published on 9 Jan 2017
Esteban Santiago, the Iraq war veteran accused of killing five people and wounding six
others during a shooting rampage at a crowded Florida airport baggage claim last week,
is due to make his first court appearance this morning.

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Airport Shooter Suffered From Mental Health Problems, Undergoing Treatment | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 9 Jan 2017
Authorities said Santiago was an Iraq War veteran who suffered from a host of mental health
issues, including complaints that he was hearing voices and that the CIA was forcing him to join ISIS.

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Gunman Esteban Santiago Kills 8, Injures 5 At Fort Lauderdale Airport | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 9 Jan 2017
Authorities said Santiago retrieved his weapon from his checked luggage, loaded it in the bathroom
and then began shooting — without saying a word.

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[TargeT]

I'm certainly not surprised by this... in fact I was expecting something similar days ago.



Airport Shooter Converted to Islam, Identified as Aashiq Hammad Years Before Joining Army
The Ft. Lauderdale Airport shooter is a Muslim convert who years before joining the U.S. Army took on an Islamic name (Aashiq Hammad), downloaded terrorist propaganda and recorded Islamic religious music online, according to public records dug up by the investigative news site of an award-winning, California journalist. This is pertinent information that the Obama administration apparently wants to keep quiet, bringing up memories of the Benghazi cover up, in which the president and his cohorts knowingly lied to conceal that Islamic terrorists attacked the U.S. Special Mission in Libya.

Information is slowly trickling out that links the Ft. Lauderdale Airport shooter to radical Islam while the official story from authorities is that the gunman is a mentally ill, Hispanic Army veteran named Esteban Santiago that became unhinged after a tour in Iraq. Only one mainstream media outlet mentions the possibility of Santiago’s “jihadist identity,” burying it in a piece about New York possibly being his initial target. A paragraph deep in the story mentions that investigators recovered Santiago’s computer from a pawn shop and the FBI is examining it to determine whether he created a “jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad…” The reset of the traditional mainstream media coverage promotes the government rhetoric that omits any ties to terrorism even though early on a photo surfaced of Santiago making an ISIS salute while wearing a keffiyeh, a Palestinian Arab scarf.

The public records uncovered in the days after the massacre suggest Santiago (Hammad) is a radical Islamic terrorist that’s seriously committed to Islam. Besides taking on a Muslim name, he recorded three Islamic religious songs, including the Muslim declaration faith (“there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”) known as the Shahada. He also posted a thread about downloading propaganda videos from Islamic terrorists on a weapons and explosives forum. The investigative news site that unearthed this disturbing information connected the dots between Santiago, who is of Puerto Rican descent, and Hammad, an identity he created in 2007.

This week a prominent Ft. Lauderdale businessman and longtime resident addressed a letter to the city’s mayor and commissioners blasting county and federal officials for covering up that “Aashiq Hammad, not Esteban Santiago, attacked our city and county.” The businessman, respected Ft. Lauderdale real estate entrepreneur Jim Morlock, specifically names Broward County’s elected sheriff Scott Israel, Florida senator Bill Nelson, the first to identify Santiago as the shooter on national television, and congressman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, ousted last summer as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chair over a scandalous plot to damage Bernie Sanders during the primary.

“Since when does a US Senator (Bill Nelson), not law enforcement, be the one to so quickly release this terrorist’s Hispanic name but nothing about his more relevant Islamic background?” the letter asks. Obama must have told Sen. Nelson to keep this from looking like a Muslim Terrorist attack during the last 12 days of his watch. Bad for his legacy.” Morlock goes on to state that it’s “better to portray this atrocity as white Hispanic Alaskan mental Iraq war vet gun violence.” The real estate entrepreneur proceeds to reveal that Santiago lives in walking distance to the only mosque in Alaska, was radicalized before he entered the military and was knowingly allowed to serve despite his Islamic sympathies thanks to “Obama’s PC military.”

The letter poses interesting questions, including why this Muslim terrorist chose Ft. Lauderdale out of all the nation’s airports and who Santiago knows in Broward county, which has a large and growing Islamic community. In 2015 Judicial Watch obtained records from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) that show and Al Qaeda terrorist who helped plan several U.S. attacks lived in Broward County and graduated from the local community college with a degree in computer engineering. His name is Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, but he also had a Hispanic identity, Javier Robles, and for years he appeared on the FBI’s most wanted list. Back in 2012 Judicial Watch reported on a terrorist front group’s demands that Broward County public schools close twice a year to celebrate Islamic holy days, illustrating the influence that Muslims have in the region.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/airport-shooter-converted-islam-identified-aashiq-hammad-years-joining-army/

[shaberon]

white Hispanic Alaskan mental Iraq war vet...that's a pretty big label. Which end would jihadi go on?

My "simple" answer so far is that he took the longest domestic flight he could, to...pray, or whatever it is people like that do to build up their nerves for such a thing.

[Bill Ryan]

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From Zero Hedge:


https://zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-07/airport-shooter-said-he-was-mind-controlled-us-intelligence-agency

Airport Shooter Said He Was "Mind Controlled" By A U.S. Intelligence Agency

[Cidersomerset]

From Zero Hedge:
•https://zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-0...ligence-agency


Above link not working here , I think its this article....

zerohedge....

Airport Shooter Said He Was "Mind Controlled" By A U.S. Intelligence Agency

by Tyler Durden
Jan 7, 2017 10:14 AM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-07/airport-shooter-said-he-was-mind-controlled-us-intelligence-agency