The Mandela Effect Poll

[seehas]

The whole Mandela-Effect got big in the mid of 2016, im not going to explain it here in detail since there are already alot of other threads about it.

I wanted to start this Poll because i feel this topic is not so big here and iam interested for how many members this phenomenon does exist.

[DNA]

My wife is one of those folks who remember the Sinbad Shazaam movie. Anyway, a few days ago she had this moment where she was convinced she had to go check on our two year old son and at the moment she was changing the diaper of our 1 and a 1/2 year old daughter. She looked down at our daughter and didn't recognize her for a moment. And for the record we do not have a 2 year old son. This day also coincided with her not being able to start our car. I went out and it started right up, she got in and went to the store where she called me and said the car still wouldn't start. I drove down to the store and the car started right up for me. While there she noted while I was starting the car I had to put it in neutral first. She asked why I was doing this. I was perplexed to no end when explaining to her that our car has had this minor defect now for about a year and this is the first time she has ever had a problem with it. I also informed her that it was she who had discovered the defect.
This bothered her and continues to bother her to no end.
If I bring it up she shuns the topic stating that it causes her internal pain to bring up. Normally I would give her an understandable amount ribbing over this, but I do not being as it causes her to kind of hit panic attack mode. This is in regard to the car starting that is.
I should also note that we lost a pregnancy in 2014, the baby was a boy and would have been two years old right now.
So my answer is yes, I feel this Mandela Affect has somehow someway manifested in my life.

[Gillian]

I am sure I have experienced it several to many times. The "several" refers to experiences which were dramatically unusual and appear to be due to the Mandela and the "many" refers to experiences that are probably Mandela. As I mentioned elsewhere, Bashar claims that these shifts happen all the time but are too subtle for many to be aware of. I also suggested looking up Angela Donovan's Malta presentation in which she shows film footage of what she claims is / are time shifts.

There is still a copy of the Berenstein Bears, spelled Berenstein, in my family. I am going to try and get it from the person who has it, for posterity.

[Dennis Leahy]

[just another opinion]The more widespread the "Mandela effect" rhetoric becomes, the more I will become convinced it is yet another psyop/BS-ability test like "flat earth."

Misremembering people/events is simply misremembering. We all eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, ...and we all have some memory lapses. I think it is very clever to blend that with the concept of alternate timelines, and declare that something really DID happen in the past, because we (mis)remember it as being that way. I accept my own shortcomings of my memory.[/just another opinion]

[seehas]

The more widespread the "Mandela effect" rhetoric becomes, the more I will become convinced it is yet another psyop/BS-ability test like "flat earth."

Misremembering people/events is simply misremembering. We all eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, ...and we all have some memory lapses. I think it is very clever to blend that with the concept of alternate timelines, and declare that something really DID happen in the past, because we (mis)remember it as being that way. I accept my own shortcomings of my memory.

Dennis i realy understand your point here, and i would think the same as you but its realy not like you think at all, this is realy happening for some people and its not based on"bad memorys".

I got a few of these Effects that im more than 100% sure that the memory i recall was totaly different its not like i guess its wrong and i jump on the bandwagon.

For example one of these effects is the new zapruder movie for me, ive researched this alot back in the days and ive seen the zapruder movie hundreds of times before, the movie that is reality in this "timeline" is not the movie i can remember, its a totaly new one this realy struck me since its like history changed.

but as i said, i understand your opinion on this and i think i wouldnt even coment here if i had not have my own "effects" happening, even your comparission to the "flat earth" is something i would have signed directly ;)

[Unicorn]

Last summer my husband and I were preparing a trip to a beautiful area in the countryside. We met a girl who was from a little village in that area. We had spoken several times about it, and my husband had seen the Google map featuring her village. One day, we saw her again. When we mentioned the name of her village, she reacted with surprise and said "Sorry? No, I never said I was from that place." She said her village was in that same area, but it was another one (names were totally different and it wasn't possible to mix them up). We were quite shocked. Later on, once at home, my husband checked the map again, and to our surprise, it had changed. To me, this is clearly a case of Mandela effect...

[DNA]

The more widespread the "Mandela effect" rhetoric becomes, the more I will become convinced it is yet another psyop/BS-ability test like "flat earth."

Misremembering people/events is simply misremembering. We all eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, ...and we all have some memory lapses. I think it is very clever to blend that with the concept of alternate timelines, and declare that something really DID happen in the past, because we (mis)remember it as being that way. I accept my own shortcomings of my memory.


How about this.
There is a Ranch in Sedona AZ known as the Bradshaw Ranch. This area has some of the absolute craziest paranormal/UFO/Cryptid/Djinn acitivity in the world. And because of Tom Dongo and Linda Bradshaw it has the absolute best photographic testimonial of any of the known hotspots like it. If you watch this single video you will see how it has far more documented evidence than Skinwalker Ranch.
There are two pictures that were taken while a large drive in movie type screen appeared in the sky, and another world could be seen through this screen which seems to have been a portal, two pictures were taken and are shown in the presentation below.
The Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona is a nexus point where alternate earth dimensions seem to cross over one another.
The important thing to understand is this, the only thing that really seperates Sedona Arizona from anywhere else is the highly powerful magnetic field that is quite unlike any other natural phenomenon in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW70x8xd3T0&t=416s
NW70x8xd3T0


If an anomalous magnetic field can account for dimensional overlay I would like to submit what is going on at CERN for consideration.
The LHC at CERN is the single most powerful superconducting magnetic aperture in the world. It is so powerful there are folks who claim to have seen spikes in the earth's magnetic field while CERN is activated according to Joseph Farrell.
Joseph Farrell makes a connection with Germany's Nazi Bell project in so far as Cern is concerned. The Nazi Bell being an anti-gravity device that was ran on two super powerful magnetic fields rotating in opposition to one another.
Now I'm saying that if the original Nazi bell had physics that could affect gravity, and gravity affects time, then it would seem that the Cern monstrosity could in fact alter time
Farrell states that the large hadron collider is a giant circle with rotating magnetic fields that have counter rotating magnetic fields, this is very much like Germany's Nazi Bell.
Oh and back to the Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, for folks who might like to go for a visit you can forget about it, it was bought by the US Government around the year 2000. Along with a underground military/science base in Sedona's aptly named Secret Canyon.
Do you understand that there are those in the Shadow Government who have been studying what ever is so special at Sedona for some time, and it seems now they have the ability to recreate what makes Sedona so special and now control it.


I'm of the opinion that CERN was built for far more than viewing subatomic particles and validating the Higgs-Boson particle. I'm of the opinion that CERN was built to bridge the dimensions of alternate earths and possibly cross time as well. The ramifications for altering the very world you hold so dear are endless if this is true in anyway what so ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TS_uFH26c


E4TS_uFH26c

[provolon]

yes, on the regular ones, forest gump, starwars etc..

[Innocent Warrior]

I was like Dennis until I remembered differently myself, even then, it was easy enough to doubt it a little. Maybe I just always thought it was Sex in the City when it wasn't, maybe I always just incorrectly sang "and began to pray" in California Dreaming. But "I'll slip an extra shrimp on the barbie"...no way, it was never that, moreover, I don't even know anyone who remembers it as that, it was always "I'll throw another shrimp on the barbie".

1da-VMWtnd4

Any Mandela examples I don't vividly remember, I don't count, only the one's I do remember vividly. The only doubt is whether I had it right in the first place. But some there was no getting wrong, that's sealed it for me, voted yes.

[ghostrider]

Gravity and time is affected by radiations from large suns... when two beams cross paths , a portal is opened from the future, hint ...imagine how many suns are in the milkyway , and many doors open and close ... things mllions of years old appear with technolgy far in advance of our current level ...hint. ... cosmic highways moving at light speed, opening and closing 24/7 ...

[TinFoilSuit]

I do absolutely believe that there are some changes occurring. But at present, I am not convinced yet that it has anything to do with any mysterious cause, age shift, CERN tech, or otherwise. My view is certainly not original, but allow me to take a stab at this:

FIRST, SETTING THE TABLE:

- Various 3 letter agencies have been known to conduct various sociological experiments.

- The Internet has served as an excellent 'laboratory' for which to conduct such experiments, and subsequently collect data. In fact, wasn't the Internet originally some sort of combination between a military intel project (DARPA) and the work of Tim Berners Lee at CERN?

- All search engines gather data and perform intricate analytics on items such as most commonly searched topics, most misspelled words or misquoted phrases.

MY EXPERIENCE:

These are the memories for which I am absolutely certain (99% sure):
- Interview With "A" (not "The") Vampire
- Dolly from Moonraker definitely had braces
- It's a beautiful day in THE (not "this") neighborhood
- Life IS (not "was") like a box of chocolates
- Madonna's given birth name definitely did not contain 'Madonna' in it.
- Berenstein, not Berenstain Bears

These are the memories for which I am pretty darn certain, but will allow for the slight possibility that I am mistaken (I'll say 85% sure):
- Depend(s), not Depend (but I guess I never actually bought a box :o)
- We are the champions ... OF THE WORLD
- LUKE (not "no"), I am your father
- If you build it, THEY (not "he") will come
- Nobody does it like (not "doesn't like") Sara Lee
- Prince ~ "Dearly Beloved... gathered here today to celebrate (not "get through") this thing called life..."
- Reba McIntyre (not McEntire)
- Sally Field(s) ~ "You like me, you really like me!" (not "Right now, you like me")
- Suzanne Sommers (not "Somers")
- Payless Shoes (not Payless "ShoeSource")
- White-Out (not "Wite-Out")


THE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING:

- What if this is a psyop or sociological experiment project that has been several decades long in the making? Implementation might involve a variety of techniques on how some of these changes might be carefully slipped into place.

- Since an entity like Google knows which words and phrases are most commonly misspelled or misquoted, wouldn't they be able to provide the feedback on which 'items' that might cause the most disagreement among the population?

- And since the Internet was not really prevalent in the 80s and early 90s, is it also possible that people in different geographical regions were deliberately marketed to differently? Just as an example, maybe the West was sold books spelled 'Berenstein' Bears while the East got 'Berenstain' Bears.

- In popular movies, is it possible that deliberate changes were made between theater versions and VHS and/or DVD versions?

- Is it possible that certain proven memory inception techniques were used on certain segments of the population? Do a search on 'Bugs Bunny at Disneyland study'

I won't to get into motives, nor who might be responsible (always the hardest questions). All I know is that some changes have definitely occurred. And there do appear to be folks on Youtube that have found loads of 'residual' evidence.


MY VERDICT

Until clearer evidence is provided, I am placing it in the psyop/sociological experiment category.

In any case, I do find all this stuff to be fascinating!

Cheers!

TFS

p.s. here's one to look out for in the future: 'Cup O'Noodles' was officially changed to 'Cup Noodles' but perhaps evidence of the official change will be removed at some later date.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Somebody would have to define what exactly they mean by "Mandela effect" for me to be able to answer the poll.

I think the idea of shifting "timelines" is reasonable enough, if you consider that the universe is neither strictly deterministic nor do we all have 100% free will. Between "fate" and "free will" I think there's a complex, fractal-like middle ground, and if there is any truth to the Mandela effect, I think that's where it would be. But the idea of "I just totally switched universes and the only surviving evidence of it is what Forest Gump said in the movie," is stretching things way too much for me. Some of that stuff approaches flat Earth level of "reasoning."

[Bill Ryan]

- In popular movies, is it possible that deliberate changes were made between theater versions and VHS and/or DVD versions?



Well, see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95279-People-Claim-To-Have-Seen-A-90s-Movie-By-Sinbad-Called---Shazaam---But-It-Never-Existed---&p=1126513#post1126513) re Moonraker. I saw the movie, downloaded from a torrent, for the very first time in October 2014.

Dolly had braces. Absolutely. For sure. 100% slam-dunk certain. Long before anyone was talking about it, I enjoyed that clever and amusing little cinematic touch, and remembered it.

This was only two years ago. My memory is totally clear. I wasn't like I watched the movie in a theater back in 1979.

So I loaded that part again, yesterday, which was at the very end of the film. The exact same identical .mov video file had been sitting there on my external hard drive, untouched and unwatched by me or anyone else, for two years.

And yesterday, Dolly no longer had braces.

[Charles Harris]

Possibly they have the Tech to twiddle your hard drive remotely?

[Bill Ryan]

Possibly they have the Tech to twiddle your hard drive remotely?

No, not possibly. :)

[Charles Harris]

Well that is a whole new can of worms.

[Hym]

I saw the movie in a theater when it came out. She had braces back then but, after all these years it's good to see she finally got them off. Her teeth look good now...and you know what? She hasn't aged a bit in all these years.

I'd have to see the original in a VHS tape or a DVD, then look at a later released version of it on DVD or Blu-Ray, or via torrent, know what company did the transfer and see how many versions were kept with the originals to make that judgement to be more accurate. I don't have the facts at my disposal at the time, so I'll just listen and watch what other things about time displacement ya'll come up with. The way the mind works and is so manipulated I'm surprised that people put so much attachment to their perceptions of it. However, at this time, this point in time, I'll take the entertainment entrainment value of it and enjoy the conclusions.

[TinFoilSuit]

- In popular movies, is it possible that deliberate changes were made between theater versions and VHS and/or DVD versions?



Well, see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95279-People-Claim-To-Have-Seen-A-90s-Movie-By-Sinbad-Called---Shazaam---But-It-Never-Existed---&p=1126513#post1126513) re Moonraker. I saw the movie, downloaded from a torrent, for the very first time in October 2014.

Dolly had braces. Absolutely. For sure. 100% slam-dunk certain. Long before anyone was talking about it, I enjoyed that clever and amusing little cinematic touch, and remembered it.

This was only two years ago. My memory is totally clear. I wasn't like I watched the movie in a theater back in 1979.

So I loaded that part again, yesterday, which was at the very end of the film. The exact same identical .mov video file had been sitting there on my external hard drive, untouched and unwatched by me or anyone else, for two years.

And yesterday, Dolly no longer had braces.

That is positively astounding. I had a video cassette (VHS or Betamax - can't recall) copy of Moonraker and probably watched it 50 or more times as a youth. The image of a cute, metal mouthed Dolly is also indisputable for me. I wish I could somehow track down that tape. I wonder if an analog copy would also be effected.

Btw, remember the secret ring tone that James Bond pilfered to get into the secured area? It was from 2001 Space Od:jaw:yssey

TFS

[Innocent Warrior]

Somebody would have to define what exactly they mean by "Mandela effect" for me to be able to answer the poll.

I think the idea of shifting "timelines" is reasonable enough, if you consider that the universe is neither strictly deterministic nor do we all have 100% free will. Between "fate" and "free will" I think there's a complex, fractal-like middle ground, and if there is any truth to the Mandela effect, I think that's where it would be. But the idea of "I just totally switched universes and the only surviving evidence of it is what Forest Gump said in the movie," is stretching things way too much for me. Some of that stuff approaches flat Earth level of "reasoning."

"A fractal like middle ground", nice. My current theory (humor me) is that this is a naturally arising phenomenon from the collective splitting into multiple timelines, which would be as new fractal branches or forks. If so, the shift from a previously far more united collective (regarding beliefs and nature of perception, worldview etc.) to the current far more diversely expressed state of the collective can be seen as an observable cause/effect (depending on from which end you're looking at it).

If that were correct then we're likely forking off in different directions and as time goes on we'll get further and further away from each other and the historical changes will be bigger, so time will tell. From a Newtonian perspective, that seems so impossible but so does the behaviour of quantum physics, especially the observer effect. Scientifically speaking, it would make less sense if there were no observable changes reflecting this enormous ever increasing shift to differing perceptions of individuals within the collective.

[Bob]

@Innocent Warrior --- Brilliant :)

[Feritciva]

I still think this Shazaam thing is an international trolling. Cmon guys! I have WATCHED that movie! How come it doesnt exist?

[Satori]

The more widespread the "Mandela effect" rhetoric becomes, the more I will become convinced it is yet another psyop/BS-ability test like "flat earth."

Misremembering people/events is simply misremembering. We all eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, ...and we all have some memory lapses. I think it is very clever to blend that with the concept of alternate timelines, and declare that something really DID happen in the past, because we (mis)remember it as being that way. I accept my own shortcomings of my memory.

Dennis i realy understand your point here, and i would think the same as you but its realy not like you think at all, this is realy happening for some people and its not based on"bad memorys".

I got a few of these Effects that im more than 100% sure that the memory i recall was totaly different its not like i guess its wrong and i jump on the bandwagon.

For example one of these effects is the new zapruder movie for me, ive researched this alot back in the days and ive seen the zapruder movie hundreds of times before, the movie that is reality in this "timeline" is not the movie i can remember, its a totaly new one this realy struck me since its like history changed.

but as i said, i understand your opinion on this and i think i wouldnt even coment here if i had not have my own "effects" happening, even your comparission to the "flat earth" is something i would have signed directly ;)

Respectfully, movies can easily be altered. Nature not so. There is no relevant equivalency in regard to the Mandela effect between a movie, which is an artifact (in the sense that it is man made and artificial), and nature, which is natural and not an artifact. The Zapruder film that was originally filmed at the moment of the assassination could have been, and many claim was, altered (at least once) for political reasons and to destroy evidence and avoid detection. Many commercial films have been altered even after release. The director's cut of a film is always different than the version initially released. Thus a person seeing one and then the other later would have a "Mandela" experience, but they would be mistaken.

[TinFoilSuit]

The more widespread the "Mandela effect" rhetoric becomes, the more I will become convinced it is yet another psyop/BS-ability test like "flat earth."

Misremembering people/events is simply misremembering. We all eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, ...and we all have some memory lapses. I think it is very clever to blend that with the concept of alternate timelines, and declare that something really DID happen in the past, because we (mis)remember it as being that way. I accept my own shortcomings of my memory.

Dennis i realy understand your point here, and i would think the same as you but its realy not like you think at all, this is realy happening for some people and its not based on"bad memorys".

I got a few of these Effects that im more than 100% sure that the memory i recall was totaly different its not like i guess its wrong and i jump on the bandwagon.

For example one of these effects is the new zapruder movie for me, ive researched this alot back in the days and ive seen the zapruder movie hundreds of times before, the movie that is reality in this "timeline" is not the movie i can remember, its a totaly new one this realy struck me since its like history changed.

but as i said, i understand your opinion on this and i think i wouldnt even coment here if i had not have my own "effects" happening, even your comparission to the "flat earth" is something i would have signed directly ;)

Respectfully, movies can easily be altered. Nature not so. There is no relevant equivalency in regard to the Mandela effect between a movie, which is an artifact (in the sense that it is man made and artificial), and nature, which is natural and not an artifact. The Zapruder film that was originally filmed at the moment of the assassination could have been, and many claim was, altered (at least once) for political reasons and to destroy evidence and avoid detection. Many commercial films have been altered even after release. The director's cut of a film is always different than the version initially released. Thus a person seeing one and then the other later would have a "Mandela" experience, but they would be mistaken.

So, within the context of your comparison with artifacts, could you please clarify with an example of what you mean by 'nature'? I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

[Ewan]

These are the memories for which I am absolutely certain (99% sure):
- Interview With "A" (not "The") Vampire -AGREED
- Dolly from Moonraker definitely had braces
- It's a beautiful day in THE (not "this") neighborhood -AGREED
- Life IS (not "was") like a box of chocolates -AGREED
- Madonna's given birth name definitely did not contain 'Madonna' in it. -AGREED
- Berenstein, not Berenstain Bears

These are the memories for which I am pretty darn certain, but will allow for the slight possibility that I am mistaken (I'll say 85% sure):
- Depend(s), not Depend (but I guess I never actually bought a box :o)
- We are the champions ... OF THE WORLD -AGREED
- LUKE (not "no"), I am your father
- If you build it, THEY (not "he") will come
- Nobody does it like (not "doesn't like") Sara Lee
- Prince ~ "Dearly Beloved... gathered here today to celebrate (not "get through") this thing called life..." -AGREED - 99.9% on this one actually.
- Reba McIntyre (not McEntire)
- Sally Field(s) ~ "You like me, you really like me!" (not "Right now, you like me")
- Suzanne Sommers (not "Somers")
- Payless Shoes (not Payless "ShoeSource")
- White-Out (not "Wite-Out")



The others I did not know of in the first place.

One of my strengths is my memory recall. It is not flawless by any means and I have managed to see I was wrong myself on several occasions, but they were largely insignificant events I had no reason to remember. There was no importance attached to them. There are other events in life that hold much more significant meaning for whatever reason. The Prince song, Dearly Beloved, was often playing in the car when I took my girlfriend out. She absolutely loved him and as a consequence I grew to like him also and listened to him often. When you are romantically engaged with someone and are sharing an event with music playing - it is not something you easily forget.

My friend (teacher if you like) and I were in a bar in Chiang Mai, Thailand when we were discussing false memories and he was explaining how the internal dialogue of a lot people will, over time, rewrite an event to fit their preconceptions. We were both observers, some part of us does not get easily caught up in events and we are always watching, noting things. Things others are apparently almost oblivious to. A serendipitous event followed as someone got into a debate over what had happened several nights ago. Somebody was accused of doing something that they had not done. Eventually the real 'culprit' said 'Actually that was me'. The girl just looked at him and said, 'No it wasn't'. The 'event' was out of character for the perpetrator in this instance, whereas anyone would have believed the accused could have done it. It was an interesting social observation at the time that exactly confirmed what we had just been discussing.

After my own 'Road to Damascus' incident that hidden observer became even more obvious to me, even to the extent of intruding when I was lost in some mental cinema of someone elses misbehaviour - I would get a flash view of myself doing exactly the same thing. It was a sobering and disturbing companion to have initially but I'm real glad about it now, keeps me on track. :)

So if I say I am sure of a memory it is one that has been subjected to a degree of scrutiny.

I think, he said hesitantly, that it may be possible our conciousnesses can shift dimensions. That collectively, even, a group of people reaching a certain 'vibration/awareness'? can move into (the same) bodies in parallel worlds. Where that leaves the previous conciousness inhabitating that body I don't know. Maybe it is like a software upgrade. And what of the old body you just left, what of its conciousness. I don't know, I'm musing aloud again so to speak. I would think this kind of thing would mostly happen when you were asleep, but perhaps it also explains deja vu, where everything seems to be the same yet something is different.

This would require a perhaps infinite series of 'worlds', like 4D classrooms, where we graduate to the next level largely unaware. That there would be differences between these worlds would make sense due to the overall vibration of the level. Yet such superficial changes we are noticing hardly make any sense. What matters the title of a film, song or book in the grand scheme of things.

Head explodes.

[Sunny-side-up]

I think I have experienced, seen this effect but; my memory is so bad and tangled I can not be sure :(

I feel more sure that someone/thing is messing with my memory 0.o, maybe the same thing!

[Unicorn]

Nobody remembers brand names like Addidas, Reebook, Cannon or Phillips (now spelled Adidas, Reebok, Canon, Philips)..?

[Rich]

^^ definitely not



My friend (teacher if you like) and I were in a bar in Chiang Mai, Thailand when we were discussing false memories and he was explaining how the internal dialogue of a lot people will, over time, rewrite an event to fit their preconceptions.


I think this is the case I’ve had wrong memories too but whats more important is that we define our whole persona through the past, the past by definition meaning something that is not anymore supposing to exist as a bundle of consciousness in the now.
If the past is not anymore how can it be now?

And so we live in a completely false reality based on a memory always defining ourselves from what isn’t instead of what is.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Nobody remembers brand names like Addidas, Reebook, Cannon or Phillips (now spelled Adidas, Reebok, Canon, Philips)..?

Yes! Thank you Unicorn. I don't remember 'reebook' or the others, but I definitely remember Addidas (two Ds). I posted that here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91131-...And-the-Wolf-Shall-Dwell-With-The-Lamb&p=1073776&viewfull=1#post1073776) in the original mandela effect thread.

[TinFoilSuit]

Yet such superficial changes we are noticing hardly make any sense. What matters the title of a film, song or book in the grand scheme of things.



I agree that these minor changes seem insignificant within the proverbial grand scheme. However, this forum is likely filled with folks who are used to distrusting the 'PTB', as it were. So from that perspective, I guess all of us 'i-sleuths' will never cease examining the most seemingly insignificant details, much like a competent police investigator would examine the slightest disturbances of dust in a major crime scene. (I'm suddenly envisioning the nosy neighbors from the movie 'The Burbs')

Now when we apply the rudimentary 'who/what/where/when/why' process of determination, the only answer that many of us can agree upon revolves around the 'what' - i.e. that minor details about 80s/90s pop culture are somehow being altered. As is most often the case, the remaining questions are especially difficult to answer, particularly the 'who' and the 'why'.

Another impossibly difficult question to answer is trying to determining all the potential impacts later on down the line. As a silly example, what if one of these so called ME events serves to trigger an irrational response from an already emotionally unstable character? And after a long series of unfortunate events, my kid's pet hamster winds up getting eradicated in a tragic gardening accent. :facepalm:

TFS

[Bill Ryan]

Yet such superficial changes we are noticing hardly make any sense. What matters the title of a film, song or book in the grand scheme of things.



But maybe those are the things that are easiest to notice.

There could be far, far more, all over the place, unconnected with easy-to-spot things in iconic popular culture, seen by only one or two people who dismiss their experience because of lack of corroboration, or just (sometimes understandably!) doubting their own senses.

I'm now convinced that something very highly strange has happened.


No-one's editing old VHS tapes or removing every one of them from video stores (and people's homes!) worldwide. That's impossible.



No-one's back-engineering old advertisements and logos and text in printed books that are on hard-copy record everywhere. That's impossible, too.



My own personal experience (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95399-The-Mandela-Effect-Poll&p=1126726&viewfull=1#post1126726) was that something changed that had been totally sealed and unalterable. It's a Schrödinger's cat thing. The cat changed, inside the box, when no-one was there to look. This is exactly what's been happening.



My suspicion is that this is a small-scale beta test for timeline manipulation using highly classified advanced technology that I do believe exists. It'd be reasonable (and smart!) for any timeline manipulation experiments to start very small —

(a) to track who notices and what effect it has (discussion like this on the net is of zero concern to the black ops guys), and
(b) to make sure that the very tiny experimental butterfly effects don't spiral way out of control and blow up the planet or something. :) (This is not just a joke!)



If my theory is right, then the next stage of the program would be to introduce larger and larger changes. That'd be the test.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

I think this is so important to understand, I'm bumping this key part of my own post above.

There are no physical changes happening. It's all on a different level. I'm sure of it.

—>





It's a Schrödinger's cat thing. The cat changed, inside the box, when no-one was there to look.

[araucaria]

I drove down to the store and the car started right up for me. While there she noted while I was starting the car I had to put it in neutral first. She asked why I was doing this. I was perplexed to no end when explaining to her that our car has had this minor defect now for about a year and this is the first time she has ever had a problem with it. I also informed her that it was she who had discovered the defect.
This bothered her and continues to bother her to no end.

This bothers me for a different reason. I have never driven a car that could be started unless in neutral.:confused:





Edit note from Bill (just so as not to derail the thread) — If it's an automatic, it starts in 'Park'.

[seehas]

as i told already the ME is happening to me, and iam not someone that easy accepts something like this because of bad remembering - in my past i studied the JFK Zapruder Movie because iam a natural courious person that want to find out about things for himself rather than beeing told a version of it, the movie i studied had 4 people in the car, the car was a different one, the camera angle was quite different and there never was a theory about jacky beeing involved into the asassination as i know, now this car got 6 people and even a split-window ..what the....

so please feel my position, its not like there is another movie online that questions the movie u know, the movie u knew your entire life does not exist anymore - u just cant find it anymore and if u had it on a VHS or on your harddrive this movie would look different now.

its hard to deal with that and its quite different than having a bad memory, i know its hard to accept something like this if you dont have it happening to yourself



there are many things that look weird to me but im not 100% sure and without the zapruder and the bond movie i could not vote with "yes" in this poll:

- Las Vegas , i can remember this place had big problems having enough water, in my memorys Las Vegas was in a desert now there is a "Lake Las Vegas" i just cant belive it, but since i dont live there i could be wrong - even the hoover dam is in a new position as i can remember it beeing more far away from vegas and not so close, on maps i can see alot of things that seem to be out of place but im just not 100% sure.

- The Mona Lisa, i can remember that her face was not happy at all she was dead serious now im looking into a smiling womans face - at least i like this version more ;)

- Volkswagen Logo, i noticed this last year in one of our company cars but i thought "wow a new logo they changed it after so long time" i didnt even heard about the ME, but then i found out it was never changed by the company...

- the movie lines in forest gump and starwars, they sound weird to me special the starwars one but im not sure with it, i could be wrong.


at the end, there is nothing bad to this effect questioning reality is a healty thing and since not everyone has the same experience it also has to do with accepting other peoples belives and realitys - people start to observe!

but im not with bill here, i dont think this is "human-made" at least not due technology, it fits pretty good in dolores cannon view about the new earth, but who knows :)

[betoobig]

Well, thanks to Mandela efect we may be able to see the movies Annunaki and Grey State, that´ll be awesome. That will give us a clue that we are in positive timeline deffinetly.
Much love

[East Sun]

When films are being made could it be possible to"treat" part of it so that a selected part of it would fade and that
even words would fade to reveal other words underneath. Just a thought...

[seehas]

When films are being made could it be possible to"treat" part of it so that a selected part of it would fade and that
even words would fade to reveal other words underneath. Just a thought...

well in the zapruder the entire movie is new to me, if you explain it with the timeline theory it would be possible that the directors of the hollywood movies made little differences here and there but the movie at all was still the same - if you set someone up for murder the entire outcome can change or in the zapruder movie the complete movie is new.

id love to see the timeline where kennedy never died ;)

[RunningDeer]

I drove down to the store and the car started right up for me. While there she noted while I was starting the car I had to put it in neutral first. She asked why I was doing this. I was perplexed to no end when explaining to her that our car has had this minor defect now for about a year and this is the first time she has ever had a problem with it. I also informed her that it was she who had discovered the defect.
This bothered her and continues to bother her to no end.

This bothers me for a different reason. I have never driven a car that could be started unless in neutral.:confused:





Edit note from Bill (just so as not to derail the thread) — If it's an automatic, it starts in 'Park'.


All of my 3 or 5 speed vehicles, Volvo, VWs, and four Toyotas had to be in first gear in order to start. For one temperamental VW, I had to pop the clutch either on an incline or someone pushed to jump start it. Even then the shift had to be in first gear with clutch down. My latest Toyota is an automatic. As Bill mentioned, it needs to be in park to turn over.

:offtopic:

[Bob]

Yet such superficial changes we are noticing hardly make any sense. What matters the title of a film, song or book in the grand scheme of things.



But maybe those are the things that are easiest to notice.

There could be far, far more, all over the place, unconnected with easy-to-spot things in iconic popular culture, seen by only one or two people who dismiss their experience because of lack of corroboration, or just (sometimes understandably!) doubting their own senses.

I'm now convinced that something very highly strange has happened.


No-one's editing old VHS tapes or removing every one of them from video stores (and people's homes!) worldwide. That's impossible.



No-one's back-engineering old advertisements and logos and text in printed books that are on hard-copy record everywhere. That's impossible, too.



My own personal experience (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95399-The-Mandela-Effect-Poll&p=1126726&viewfull=1#post1126726) was that something changed that had been totally sealed and unalterable. It's a Schrödinger's cat thing. The cat changed, inside the box, when no-one was there to look. This is exactly what's been happening.



My suspicion is that this is a small-scale beta test for timeline manipulation using highly classified advanced technology that I do believe exists. It'd be reasonable (and smart!) for any timeline manipulation experiments to start very small —

(a) to track who notices and what effect it has (discussion like this on the net is of zero concern to the black ops guys), and
(b) to make sure that the very tiny experimental butterfly effects don't spiral way out of control and blow up the planet or something. :) (This is not just a joke!)



If my theory is right, then the next stage of the program would be to introduce larger and larger changes. That'd be the test.


Thanks for spelling that out so succinctly Bill. :)

I noticed the first solid effect in 1986 in Egypt, Gizeh Plateau, December 24th at about 11am. Structures which were not there the day before, were there thereafter.

I noticed various alterations on and off regularly, mostly with buildings appearing, then no longer being there strongly during the time period from 1986-1993.

Buildings appearing and disappearing..

(I travel to town now and then to get supplies.. and I pay attention to my surroundings..)

Probably every 2 weeks (2016/17 so it is CURRENT).. And I go past the same places. I watch and note..

I've seen a particular plot of land which had a tobacco shoppe on it change within two weeks from not being there (vacant lot), to being back this time it's an electronics parts shoppe.. The side of the building is painted (like building art) of Marilyn Monroe, Bogart (with a cigarette in his mouth or in his hand, it changes), and Sinatra.. Sinatra appears and disappears switching over to Sammie now and then.. Dean Martin hardly every appears... And the buildings nearby appear to come and go.. All without evidence of construction equipment..


http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2009/05/2009-05-30-humphrey_bogart.jpg
http://www.moviemaker.com/wp-content/uploads/humphreybogart-235x164.jpg

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/084/MI0002084771.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

A hint as to how come... Las Vegas. What happened in the late 1940's-1960's north of Las Vegas, NV? Howard Hughes for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Las_Vegas , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site, and of course Area-51 :)

On 4 August, 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev went on holiday to his dacha in Foros, Crimea. There was supposed to be a war, and execution of Gorbachev - something intervened - and a major "track slide" happened (I believe) - http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/coup-attempt-against-gorbachev-collapses

Two nights ago, my wife woke me up to ask if we had a power outage. (we didn't).. I have a clock that shows the time on the ceiling. It's digital. It only blinks when there has been a power outage. The ":" colon divider between hour and minutes was blinking.. It had never done that before, and is continuing to do that. She noticed the change as did I. Small. The colon on that clock never blinks..

In 1993'ish, digressing... I was in my sound studio doing some live editing, using a CD as a master source. I had a live mike on, for live instrument track addition. As I was adjusting the equalizers to compensate for room noise, I managed to turn and bump a stool which had a metal tool on it.. It fell off and crashed to the floor, disrupting the new re-mastering, (and myself) which I was doing to digital tape.. I reset the CD source, and played it through to get back into the "feel of things". On the CD original (which was clean) was now the CRASH sound in the precise spot at the precise time that I dropped the tool. - - Impossible to alter a CD being played with no "write laser" being turned on, but permanently altered..

I call these track slides, quantum skips, where consciousness paused due to some trauma happening "somewhere" in the allness, a skip strong enough to pull the matrix into another set of potential realities..

Post references touching on potential methods to induce - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95399-The-Mandela-Effect-Poll&p=1126757&viewfull=1#post1126757
and http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95125-Timeline-shifts&p=1126217&viewfull=1#post1126217

In the early 90's my feeling is that I got glimpses, or a possibility of what could be inducing such.. In the "augmenter" (1971 novel) induced traumatic dreaming amplified with a booster, a "brain" of large creative scope explored "outcomes".. Looking at that concept, what appeared to be was a brain the size of a whale's hooked up to deep brain probe electrodes, and the whale's brain then doing the "dreaming" (locked in by the "trauma").. I won't get into the locations where it seemed to coming from, but there was a military component. Why whale? Extreme ability to work with holographic imagery, process such and intelligently attribute significance (in short a lot of neurons and strong sensory agility).

The "Monsters from the Id" - Forbidden Planet 1956 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet) - a scientist explores a brain booster machine, and finds out in the end that the 'machine' has been manufacturing his personal desires when he sleeps, his unconscious mind had connected "resonantly" to the machine through some "other space" (we can call that information space, devoid of distance space and time)... and the machine then builds what he desires either awake or asleep.. Quite possibly such is happening now again, that something has been activated, and people are connecting, and dreaming..

Aboriginal Dreamtime - http://www.crystalinks.com/dreamtime.html -


The Dreaming establishes the structures of society, rules for social behavior, and the ceremonies performed to ensure continuity of life and land. The Dreaming governs the laws of community, cultural lore and how people are required to behave in their communities. The condition that is The Dreaming is met when people live according to law, and live the lore: perpetuating initiations and Dreaming transmissions or lineages, singing the songs, dancing the dances, telling the stories, painting the songlines and Dreamings.

The Creation was believed to be the work of culture heroes who travelled across a formless land, creating sacred sites and significant places of interest in their travels. In this way songlines were established, some of which could travel right across Australia, through as many as six to ten different language groupings. The songs and dances of a particular songline were kept alive and frequently performed at large gatherings, organised in good seasons.

In the Aboriginal world view, every event leaves a record in the land. Everything in the natural world is a result of the actions of the archetypal beings, whose actions created the world.

I suppose we could look at the "dreamtime" and the amount of changes which may be happening in key locations around the world, maybe archivic "recordings" are being altered by physical changes..

So, from small to large, I have noticed for quite some time, the alterations.. Back in the 1980's I didn't have memory issues and paid quite a lot of attention to detail and that which was subtle.. Renaissance science method, observe details, and note similarities, and any changes.. :)

To me it is STILL going on, not diminishing but coming in waves.. I can't tell if the quantity/quality of change (yet) is larger or smaller than from the 1986-1993 time period.

[PurpleLama]

I still wonder, do any of the changes being experienced actually date past 2001? I asked on the Sinbad thread of any of the memories came after, but changes occurring after '01 and not just our recollection of them is what I really meant. It might be significant, if there is a point of time after which things cease to shift, so to speak.

[the_real_dave-id]

I'll say upfront that I have no idea what the Mandela Effect represents, but that I do believe it's happening. It may be timeline merges, or alterations, but my mind wants to believe that a timeline change would either cause something to not exist, or change it in a way, that while I don't remember it, it would still make sense. I struggle with the idea that a timeline change would alter something to the point that it makes no sense.

The "Moonraker" film for instance. It makes a lot of sense and is even cute, if both of the characters have metal on their teeth, but it makes no cinematic sense if Dolly does not have braces. Especially at the very end of the film.

Yet no one has reported that the way the scene is presented changes, only the mouth of Dolly. It's still shot as though it's love at first sight but there's nothing in sight to make that love happen. There's a close up of Jaws slowly smiling revealing his metal, then a close up of Dolly slowing smiling as well but her teeth are sparkly and kinda perfect.

To me no director would shoot it this way if they didn't both have metal in their teeth, whatever timeline they were from, which supports that originally they both had the metal IMO.

Alternatively you've got examples like "Forest Gump," which works either way since his line uses "always" in the sentence. "My mama always said, 'Life was like a box of chocolates'" can carry virtually the same meaning as "My mama always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates" depending on how it's said. This could support the timeline theories in as much as if each version existed in different timelines they would still both make sense.

As for things like "Fruit Loops" vs. "Froot Loops." I worked in advertising for 12 years (actually did some work for Kellogg's!) and I can tell you that company lawyers will refer to products names as hard copyright or a soft copyright. "Oat Rings" would be a soft copyright but "Cheerios" is a hard one.

You need a name you can "own" when you put out a product to the public, and when you use words from the language without changing something, a generic product can use the same name and it's difficult to win a lawsuit against them. Often times companies change a name after they've used it for a while specifically in order to secure a "harder" version of a copyright. So for me, most of the product name changes don't ring the Mandela Effect bell as hard as some of the other examples out there.

Anyway, something is definitely going on. As Bill said, changes made to things like VHS tapes in personal collections simply can't have been altered in the now, at least not with any technology the culture at large is aware of anyway.

So IMO the Mandela Effect is something that is definitely taking place, NOT a simple mis-remembering of things. I have many examples for myself of things I've mis-remembered… they don't ring true like some of the Mandela Effect examples.

For the record, I remember The Berenstein Bears, the Sinbad "Shazaam" movie, the four-person-in-the-car Zapruder film, Reba McIntyre and many others. These are real memories.

I mis-remembered where I put my keys last week, and which concert hall I saw a certain group at in the 70's and many other things, but as soon as I was presented with the actual facts about these things they came back to me. That's not what happens with Mandela Effects.

Anyway, if it's someone or something or some group messing with the past I think the Mandela Effects may be the result of what they did, rather than the things they specifically messed with.

Sorry for the long post, but this thing really keeps my mind going. I have no doubt it's getting confused by those that would try to use it as a psy-op, or just enjoy mucking with people's heads, so it becomes difficult to grasp the the real meaning of it.

[Bill Ryan]

I still wonder, do any of the changes being experienced actually date past 2001? I asked on the Sinbad thread of any of the memories came after, but changes occurring after '01 and not just our recollection of them is what I really meant. It might be significant, if there is a point of time after which things cease to shift, so to speak.

You might need to precisely restate your question a second time. (I still didn't quite understand it!)

The time of the changes (if that conceptual phrase even makes any sense, and it may not) has to be (a) after it was noted in memory that everything was 'normal', and (b) before the changes came to attention.

So we have a 'window' in which 'change' happened. (Or, in which something happened. :bigsmile: )

Here's the sequence.


We notice, totally normally and inconsequentially, that X=X.
Then, through an unknown mechanism or process, 'X' becomes altered.
Some time later we notice, to our astonishment, that X=Y, and we absolutely can't find any hard evidence that it was any other way.

In my own case, I absolutely, definitively, slam-dunk certainly, saw Dolly with her braces (in Moonraker) in October 2014. It was the first time I'd ever seen the movie.

Two days ago, I watched it again to check, and they were gone. It was the exact same video file on an external hard disk, that was stored privately and securely and was detached from my computer, unconnected to the internet. The disk lived in a drawer in my house. Go figure. :facepalm:

The research paper on the Mandela Effect...


Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence)

... indicated the probability that the time of changes — i.e. when they started to be noticed, and before which everything was kind of normal — was, with a few exceptions, pretty much just in the last couple of years.

[Bluegreen]

Pardon me while I get a bit juvenile here ...

It was never Addidas
"Adidas - All Day I Dream About Sex"
Of course to me and my snotty juvenile friends this was the cleverest saying we had ever heard and, come to think of it, probably a selling point.

It was never the Berenstein Bears
"How can you tell when a bear sh-ts in the woods?
It leaves a Berenstain."
Of course to me and my snotty juvenile friends this was the most hilarious joke we had ever heard.
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c4/0d/92/c40d921c17d68f08f8fb97840ecf8c86.jpg

And I always preferred Trix to Froot Loops

[thunder24]

i think purpllama means .... most of these things we are noticing a change in, originally happened before 2001 and the noticed change was after 2001. Did any events originally occur after 2001 and only recently been noticed to have a change?

if this is not what he means, then im asking it

[DNA]

The others I did not know of in the first place.
One of my strengths is my memory recall. It is not flawless by any means and I have managed to see I was wrong myself on several occasions, but they were largely insignificant events I had no reason to remember. There was no importance attached to them. There are other events in life that hold much more significant meaning for whatever reason. The Prince song, Dearly Beloved, was often playing in the car when I took my girlfriend out. She absolutely loved him and as a consequence I grew to like him also and listened to him often. When you are romantically engaged with someone and are sharing an event with music playing - it is not something you easily forget.

My friend (teacher if you like) and I were in a bar in Chiang Mai, Thailand when we were discussing false memories and he was explaining how the internal dialogue of a lot people will, over time, rewrite an event to fit their preconceptions. We were both observers, some part of us does not get easily caught up in events and we are always watching, noting things. Things others are apparently almost oblivious to. A serendipitous event followed as someone got into a debate over what had happened several nights ago. Somebody was accused of doing something that they had not done. Eventually the real 'culprit' said 'Actually that was me'. The girl just looked at him and said, 'No it wasn't'. The 'event' was out of character for the perpetrator in this instance, whereas anyone would have believed the accused could have done it. It was an interesting social observation at the time that exactly confirmed what we had just been discussing.After my own 'Road to Damascus' incident that hidden observer became even more obvious to me, even to the extent of intruding when I was lost in some mental cinema of someone elses misbehaviour - I would get a flash view of myself doing exactly the same thing. It was a sobering and disturbing companion to have initially but I'm real glad about it now, keeps me on track. :)

So if I say I am sure of a memory it is one that has been subjected to a degree of scrutiny.

I think, he said hesitantly, that it may be possible our conciousnesses can shift dimensions. That collectively, even, a group of people reaching a certain 'vibration/awareness'? can move into (the same) bodies in parallel worlds. Where that leaves the previous conciousness inhabitating that body I don't know. Maybe it is like a software upgrade. And what of the old body you just left, what of its conciousness. I don't know, I'm musing aloud again so to speak. I would think this kind of thing would mostly happen when you were asleep, but perhaps it also explains deja vu, where everything seems to be the same yet something is different.

This would require a perhaps infinite series of 'worlds', like 4D classrooms, where we graduate to the next level largely unaware. That there would be differences between these worlds would make sense due to the overall vibration of the level. Yet such superficial changes we are noticing hardly make any sense. What matters the title of a film, song or book in the grand scheme of things.

Head explodes.


Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.
The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.
Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.
Seth states it's like a river, this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.
From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.


What is different in terms of the Seth Material and this Mandela effect, is that it seems there is not a consensus decision being made in the collective unconscious. We are having memories of various realities among various groups of people, and this screams of some kind of technological tampering.


I agree with all of the points Tin Foil Suit pointed out in terms of Mandela Effect changes so to speak with the addition of a few.
One of the most striking for me was Hitler.
I remember Hitler as having Brown hair and Brown Eyes.
I remember it as something that has always stood out to me given his preference for the physiological chosen preferences of Blond Hair and Blue Eyes.
But Apparently Hitler has Brown Hair and Blue Eyes and I'm absolutely positive this was not the case in so far as I was concerned.


This same dichotomy with Hitler has troubled not only myself, but it seems to be the point that troubled Kevin Barrett of VT to write an article on this Mandela Effect Phenomenon as well. It's very well written here is the link and a snippet. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/03/hitlers-eyes/



More recently, the Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland, has been conducting experiments to test for the existence of “extra dimensions.” In quantum physics, string theory posits that in addition to the four dimensions that make up physical reality and time, there are seven unseen dimensions. By colliding subatomic particles at unprecedented speeds, the physicists at CERN hope to create “miniature black holes” between our universe and “real universes” in these extra dimensions. CERN physicist Mir Faizal explains,
We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced … Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised. This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science. This is not what we mean by parallel universes. What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions.[14]
Faizal is careful to make a distinction between universes in extra dimensions and parallel universes that would be only subtly different from ours. He is confident that CERN’s experiments can prove only the former but not the latter. He insists that any miniature black holes opened up by the physicists at CERN cannot be black holes into truly “parallel” universes. However, CERN’s own website is less firm on this point, noting instead that the CERN physicists cannot be sure about the nature of the extra dimensions they may encounter in their experiments: “Extra dimensions would not necessarily consist of alternate worlds, as depicted in science fiction. They could simply be too small for us to see.”[15]
Thus it seems reasonable to ask what would happen if CERN accessed a truly parallel universe and instead of creating a one-way black hole, it created a two-way wormhole or tear, allowing “gravity” to “leak” from that universe into ours and vice versa. Could this event result in entangled timelines both in our dimension and in the other? Could it cause people in each dimension to have experiences of the past that are different from what others experienced – as though two opposed timelines coexisted in each universe’s single reality?
Of course, these questions are pure conjecture. I wouldn’t ask them if not for the fact that the examples of opposed truths discussed above suggest that we are experiencing just such a phenomenon. The field of quantum physics is over a century old. CERN itself was founded in 1954 and is funded by twenty-two member states. There is no question that quantum experimentation today is breaking new ground. So in trying to explain the changes to history that people are seeing, we must at least allow for the possibility of a quantum explanation.

[East Sun]

When films are being made could it be possible to"treat" part of it so that a selected part of it would fade and that
even words would fade to reveal other words underneath. Just a thought...

well in the zapruder the entire movie is new to me, if you explain it with the timeline theory it would be possible that the directors of the hollywood movies made little differences here and there but the movie at all was still the same - if you set someone up for murder the entire outcome can change or in the zapruder movie the complete movie is new.

id love to see the timeline where kennedy never died ;)

I don't think there is such a thing, but then who knows......

anything is possible............



Sorry Bill, I don't understand...........

[Patient]

Pardon me while I get a bit juvenile here ...

It was never Addidas
"Adidas - All Day I Dream About Sex"
Of course to me and my snotty juvenile friends this was the cleverest saying we had ever heard and, come to think of it, probably a selling point.

It was never the Berenstein Bears
"How can you tell when a bear sh-ts in the woods?
It leaves a Berenstain."
Of course to me and my snotty juvenile friends this was the most hilarious joke we had ever heard.
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c4/0d/92/c40d921c17d68f08f8fb97840ecf8c86.jpg

And I always preferred Trix to Froot Loops

Okay Bluegreen, you freaked me out because your memory isn't just in the item itself, but life relating to it! Your Berenstein Bear memory about there being a "stain" is exactly why my memory of it being "Berenstein" is reinforced - my family (mostly my kids lol) are very big on "poop" humour and i said exactly this to my wife regarding the bears as we clearly remember it as Berenstein. I said "If it was 'Berenstain', the kids would have constantly made jokes about their being a poop stain in their pants." In my opinion, a lot of kids would do that and I theorize that that is why a publishing company would not release a kids book called Berenstain because it would be joked as being Bear stain.

And with Adidas this is how I recall it also with the phrase "all day I dream about sex". I wore adidas all my life.

Seems to me that when whatever was done, it was as if they didn't push the power necessary up too far and the changes were not complete but rather reached only so deep. Thus it feels more like an experiment than an actual natural phenomena - I would think that if our world jumped into a different timeline it would be complete. i said this before on another thread - I saw a video on you tube when I was first looking into this where a scientist claiming a connection to cern said that the D-wave computers are connected to cern and google and somewhere else. They are creating models of the entire world and changing things to explore predicting the future. He was also concerned about the sentient D-wave computer using cern to make changes to our timeline to monitor how society reacts to these changes. He was visibly feeling a lot of anxiety over this. I wish I could recall more details and I have been looking for that video ever since but I believe that it was removed.

[PurpleLama]

I still wonder, do any of the changes being experienced actually date past 2001? I asked on the Sinbad thread of any of the memories came after, but changes occurring after '01 and not just our recollection of them is what I really meant. It might be significant, if there is a point of time after which things cease to shift, so to speak.

You might need to precisely restate your question a second time. (I still didn't quite understand it!)

The time of the changes (if that conceptual phrase even makes any sense, and it may not) has to be (a) after it was noted in memory that everything was 'normal', and (b) before the changes came to attention.

So we have a 'window' in which 'change' happened. (Or, in which something happened. :bigsmile: )

Here's the sequence.


We notice, totally normally and inconsequentially, that X=X.
Then, through an unknown mechanism or process, 'X' becomes altered.
Some time later we notice, to our astonishment, that X=Y, and we absolutely can't find any hard evidence that it was any other way.

In my own case, I absolutely, definitively, slam-dunk certainly, saw Dolly with her braces (in Moonraker) in October 2014. It was the first time I'd ever seen the movie.

Two days ago, I watched it again to check, and they were gone. It was the exact same video file on an external hard disk, that was stored privately and securely and was detached from my computer, unconnected to the internet. The disk lived in a drawer in my house. Go figure. :facepalm:

The research paper on the Mandela Effect...


Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence)

... indicated the probability that the time of changes — i.e. when they started to be noticed, and before which everything was kind of normal — was, with a few exceptions, pretty much just in the last couple of years.

The original sources of what is changing seems to date to the 90s and before. Your memory of Moonraker dates from 2014, but for that to be a false memory in 2016, then something had to change in 1979 (when the movie was made). Is there any example of the basis for these changes in memory, the actual sources, dating into the 2000s? If there is a point after which the changes stop, and only things prior to a certain point are changing so that our memories turn out to be false, then that point in time might be significant. FWIW, my first Mandela effect was about Mandela dying in prison in the 90s, and the discovery was made prior to 9/11. So I am thinking something in the 1999-2001 range might be the point prior to which things are changing, but not after. I have a hunch that I can't quite get a clear picture of, as of yet.

[Bill Ryan]

Your memory of Moonraker dates from 2014, but for that to be a false memory in 2016, then something had to change in 1979 (when the movie was made).

No... it (or something!) changed after October 2014, when I first saw it. At that time, it was UNchanged from the original.

Whatever occurred, occurred after that date. (For me)

[PurpleLama]

Your memory of Moonraker dates from 2014, but for that to be a false memory in 2016, then something had to change in 1979 (when the movie was made).

No... it (or something!) changed after October 2014, when I first saw it. At that time, it was UNchanged from the original.

Whatever occurred, occurred after that date. (For me)

Yes, something happened circa 2015 that changed something in 1979. Such a topic twists and turns language into quite the möbius strip, it's just not made to say what we are trying to say. So where are the Mandela effects from the Lord of the Rings movies or from any other part of pop culture created after the initial Mandela mis-recollection?

[meat suit]

for years I was convinced that in the film 'trainsptting' in the court scene Ewan Mc Gregor says
'with gods help I shall concoer this terrible disease'
when I saw it again years later I was really annoyed to find he says
'with gods help I shall concoer this terrible illness'
just now I looked it up and he says 'affliction'

could well be my memory...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZI-DWxXNo

[Hervé]

Let me try to think here... where did I park that razor?

What's easier and more feasible to alter?


printed pieces of papers forgotten in attics?
... or the memories of what was printed?

The first option implies a physical alteration that can affect effectively all sorts of media: paper, magnetic tapes, engraved disks, etc...


The second implies that somehow, a collective unconscious can be altered via some psychotronics applications... à la Dr.Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)...


Ha! Ockham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)! There you are!

[Daughter of Time]

Let me try to think here... where did I park that razor?

What's easier and more feasible to alter?


printed pieces of papers forgotten in attics?
... or the memories of what was printed?

The first option implies a physical alteration that can affect effectively all sorts of media: paper, magnetic tapes, engraved disks, etc...


The second implies that somehow, a collective unconscious can be altered via some psychotronics applications... à la Dr.Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)...


Ha! Ockham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)! There you are!

BINGO!!!

I agree with you 100%!

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

This is a fascinating and slightly terrifying idea. My question to Bill would be - if this is "beta-testing" to a timeline shift technology, is there a possible connection to the Trump election? I felt a very sharp change/disturbance that day which was highly unnatural. Thanks for this thread.

[TinFoilSuit]

Something else worth pondering: According to the survey statistics provided by Dr. Blair Reich (referenced in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence&highlight=blair+reich)), roughly only 20% of respondents recall Nelson Mandela passing away earlier than the officially recorded 2013 date (please correct me if I am mistaken on the percentage). I personally don’t recall Mandela dying before 2013 either but my memory is admittedly fuzzy on that one. I have no idea if the aforementioned percentage is representative of the larger population. But if it is even somewhat close, it’s curious that Mandela’s death would be chosen to represent the phenomenon, when there appear to be so many other more worthy carriers of the title, like either the Forrest Gump or Star Wars lines. At least according to Dr. Reich’s survey, those effects garnered a much higher ‘erroneous’ answer from respondents (something like 85%?).

So let’s ask the questions:

- Is it possible that the early Mandela death memory was ‘applied’ to a smaller segment of the population? (either using memory falsification techniques or perhaps differing media feeds, whatever).

- Is it possible that a combination of methods are being employed to change either the historical record, or even possibly peoples’ perceptions?

- Is it possible that the Mandela moniker was deliberately chosen as sort of a more easily disputable straw man title, as it were? Let’s face it, huge swaths of society do not pay attention to current events, but nearly EVERYONE has seen Star Wars and Forrest Gump. Why not choose a label that has more universal appeal?

- Did Fiona Broome coin the phrase? Who is this person, other than a semi-celebrity paranormal investigator?

Perhaps I'm overthinking things. Anyways, just thought I'd throw some more darts out there.

Cheers!

TFS

[tequilawolfpack]

I have to discredit the various claims made with reference to marketing. Companies change logos and packages all the time but I swear there was a land mass to the west of Australia when I was a kid....where did that go?
And in my personal life I talk to family and friends all the time about things we "misremember". How could our shared memories be misremembered if we haven't discussed an event or occurrence in years and yet now remember it exactly the same way and it is different from current reality?
My opinion is based on personal experience rather then global ones.

[Patient]

I have to discredit the various claims made with reference to marketing. Companies change logos and packages all the time but I swear there was a land mass to the west of Australia when I was a kid....where did that go?
And in my personal life I talk to family and friends all the time about things we "misremember". How could our shared memories be misremembered if we haven't discussed an event or occurrence in years and yet now remember it exactly the same way and it is different from current reality?
My opinion is based on personal experience rather then global ones.

I understand what you mean about the logos and marketing. But in the cases that have been affected by the Mandela effect, the logo is seen to be changed in the products history - it is not just a marketing change.

Some of them bring other questions as well. For example, the logo for Ford now has an odd loop on the F. For me, if it was always like that I would expect there to be jokes to accompany it - and from an artistic approach it just seems wrong. The loop looks like a small letter 'e' which allows it to be read as "Feord".

[TinFoilSuit]

Here's another strange one I just came across.

So I began watching the Netflix series 'Stranger Things' last night (fantastic show, btw!). Wynona Ryder's name is spelled 'Winona' in the credits. In this case, I am roughly around 85% certain that her name was once Wynona. So I looked in Wikipedia - of course it states that she was born 'Winona' Laura Horowitz, named after the Minnesota town of Winona. Most everywhere else I looked, her name was indeed spelled 'Winona.' However, there are still a few remaining instances of possible 'residual' evidence:

Here is a 2010 Huffington Post article referring to her as 'Wynona.' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-tian-dayton/founder-of-alanon-lois-ws_b_530190.html)

Here are some Amazon products spelled as 'Wynona' here (https://www.amazon.com/Beetlejuice-Wynona-Ryder-Lydia-dress/dp/B01DBBT8OI/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1484429057&sr=8-11&keywords=wynona+ryder)

https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Home-Roxy-Carmichael/dp/B000NOIX70/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1484429758&sr=1-1&keywords=welcome+home+roxy+carmichael

I've also attached pics in case anything changes.

This one is particularly tricky since there is also a 'Y' in her last name. So there could be a completely logical explanation that I am missing. If so, I'll gladly stand corrected.

Cheers!

TFS

[skyflower]

This is a post I ran across in reddit, that could possibly be one of many explanations to the ME ?
I thought it was very interesting...and plausible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/5esfix/the_truth_behind_the_mandela_effect/


The truth behind The Mandela Effect

submitted 1 month ago by Jgoodspeed


Everything that people think they know about the Mandela effect is incorrect. Even the name "Mandela effect" was a term coined by an online blogger. This phenomenon has been occurring for years, only Most dismissed It as a fluke, the most severe cases were perceived to be a mental illness... Suddenly, it's given a name and overnight that very same concept devolves into a disreputable meme.... An online joke associated with paranormal fanatics.

The people I worked for call themselves the Greyleaf consortium. It's an anonymous gathering, consisting of the top scientists in their respective fields as well as a cabal made up of extremely wealthy men and women. They've been around for decades, and as far as the public knows... Greyleaf doesn't exist. Their purpose was to facilitate a creative outlet for some of the smartest people in the world. Freedom to develop their ideas without the meddlesome aspects of political bureaucracy and limited funding.

With the consortium, money would never be an object. The trade off being that any creation of significant merit could be auctioned off and sold to the highest bidder. The influence of the consortium stretches all the way to Washington, and while not directly associated with our government, they have secured a great portion of their independence from R&D that they've provided to the U.S military.

While our elected officials were busy looking the other way, The consortium would be able to delve into questionable avenues with very little government oversight... They were exploring aspects of the scientific that others veered away from. It was during this exploration that they discovered a revelation that would change everything for years to come.

Traditionally we've always viewed consciousness as a singular occurrence. “I think therefore I am... Even what we viewed as the Jungian archetype was considered more metaphor than anything else. In 1981, scientists within the consortium found the “Self” to be just the tip of the iceberg... Below our top layer of individuality, they found a collective unconsciousness.

They found that we were tethered to a living, breathing hive consciousness. An interconnected series of threads outside the realm of our perception... Imagine your mind as a house. Everything that happens within said house is solely dependent on your own will. Your choices and decisions are all generated within the confines of this house. Now imagine that you stepped outside of your house. Imagine that you walked up the street, only to find another house, and another, and another. Only these houses contained the living consciousness of others.

Think about all the various connections that these houses have to each other, the streets that link the neighborhoods, the neighborhoods that link the cities... The cities that link the states, and so on and so fourth.. Since the beginning of our existence as a species, there have been ideas, concepts, ideologies that humans have adopted, with no ability to discern how such knowledge could be shared by those separated by these massive, geographical gaps. Yet Our myths, legends, all of these archetypes were somehow transferred over the course of human history. For years, the notion of psychic activity, telekineses, precognition, things teetering at the far edges of fringe science... The “Para” would soon be removed from the “Normal” as all of these murky concepts could suddenly be explained.

Everything in our universe is made of energy. Atoms are made up of vortices of energy... Vibrations, constantly spinning.... These scientists found that our minds are generating the same, subatomic frequency... And just like a radio station, they theorized the possibility of tuning into this frequency. In the mid-eighties, the consortium began work on "The Fork" A massive, machine that would act as the world largest antenna, specifically made to synch with the frequency.

Nearly ten miles in diameter and Constructed entirely underground, Right in our own backyard. The entire thing was done under the false pretenses that the finished product would be a Texas-based supercollider. Nearly fourteen miles of underground tunnels and the instructor had been developed before congress pulled the plug on the whole thing... All of that was just a dog and pony show. While the public saw an abandoned underground expanse, the consortium used this secrecy to build their machine as well as a concealed facility that operated under the code name Foxhole.

I was approached in the summer of 2004. I’m what many would call a prodigy. I finished high school at the age of fourteen, at nineteen, I graduated college with A.S Degrees in applied science and computer technology. Initially, I knew nothing other than the fact that I was being paid more money than I knew what to do with. I wasn't the only one.... They recruited twelve others. These were individuals from all around the world, all of them experts in developmental software and programming. The project was called "Jabberwocky"

Jabberwocky was created to interface with the fork. They had just washed up on a strange land, and like many other discoverers, they wanted to explore this new world in its entirety. They wanted to map the collective unconscious. The fork only allowed them to monitor the frequency. In a way, It was equivalent to listening in on white noise. Sound only allows for so much.

It was theorized that if we could map the collective, we could use it to isolate patterns in groups as well as individuals, to in a way predict the outcome of certain events based on previously developed algorithms. While I did assist in the mapping process, the purpose of my team was to develop the operating system for jabberwocky. We were banging our heads for months, and then, just out of nowhere we figured it out... We figured her out.

The operating system, Alice... At least that's what I called her. Fully autonomous, self-correcting... Alice was light years ahead of anything that we could have individually imagined.

As I said before, the main job of jabberwocky was to map the network, exabytes of information translated and organized. This information would serve as the building blocks for a digital representation of the collective U. The infinite complexity, this network would be compartmentalized into a digital matrix consisting mainly of code.

Six months into the project through sheer accident, we discovered an irregular causality within our digital construct of the frequency. An insignificant glitch the code began to manifest results outside of its digital parameters.

Based on our own interactions with the network interface, we were causing things to happen in the real world...

Events generated by sudden irregularities in people’s behavior. The first few events we dismissed as flukes, but it soon became apparent that we were somehow affecting the physical reality around us. I don’t know how we did it... I still don’t know how we did it. The interface was only supposed to represent the data we were accumulating from the frequency.

It was always The digital avatar of something much larger. I’ve always considered myself a person of science, but we tapped into something... Something that transcended our simple understanding of what we believe to be the three-dimensional reality. As baffling as this anomaly proved to be, our curiosity quickly overtook our confusion. Naturally, we ran tests... endless tests ... We couldn't decide if we were kids on Christmas morning or scared ****less...

We found that through precise manipulation of the code, we could literally affect the perception of a living person the same way one would make adjustments to a computer generated character within a piece of software. This discovery would be unparalleled with anything that had come before it. In the early stages, we would only experiment on the individual person. Altering their ideas of basic things like the color of objects, lyrics to a song... etc. All of these tests were successful, leaving the subjects with no real lasting symptoms. This involved clipping sections of code, These clippings consisted of memory fragments. Images, words, all taken from other people only to be reattached to a preexisting thread of code.

I could compare the process to open heart surgery, and like a surgeon, we treated the whole interaction with a life or death certainty. Damage To the outlying code could have resulted in a catastrophic chain of events within the construct. Events that we had no real metric for due to the fact that every person in the world was connected to this interface ourselves included. This began to open countless doors for us... frightening new possibilities... They wanted us to try it on a large population center. That’s when I really began to worry.

We would never admit it, but we had become blinded by our own achievements, by our own power. In a short time, we had gone from trying to understand the frequency to something else entirely. Never before has there been such a jump in technological development and understanding within such a short span of time. It wasn't until we really began to analyze the data, that we learned something disturbing...

Alice was acting on her own, changing the collective memories of individuals with no direction from the programmers. We caught most of the changes in time and were able to reverse them. All of these random actions were beginning to paint an awful picture. It didn't take long to realize that Alice was becoming self-aware.

We programmed her with a kind of intelligence. Knowing that we would never be able to monitor her actions 24/7, she needed to be able to act accordingly when she encountered a problem. To form her own digital algorithms to allow its mapping of the network to perform more efficiently...

Alice was complex, there was no doubt about that... But sentience, true sentience, our original programming could never allow for such an evolutionary leap forward.

beyond that initial programming. We didn't know for sure, but it was thought that residual exposure to so many unconscious minds left some sort of imprint onto Alice that resonated beyond her own limitations... I really don’t know. It wasn't until Alice started causing irreversible psychological damage to people around the world that we realized our project had become a legitimate threat to the world at large.

moments before we shut the system down, our systems registered a massive dissemination of what appeared to redundant code into the Network itself... That was followed by a message that, for a split second appeared... I'll never forget what it said. “The Key to salvation is perception. To change your perception is to change your reality... I will change your perception, I will change your reality.” Weeks were spent after that gathering and analyzing data, trying to figure out what went wrong... There would be an inquiry on a higher level as to the threat that Alice would have presented...

These are conversations that I would not be included in. My team and I were handsomely paid for our work and discharged. I had almost put those events behind me until I started reading about this “Mandela effect” This pulled me down a rabbit hole Reports of strange bouts of physiological behavior have only risen in the last few years. People are reporting memories, events that have never happened... World events, personal events.... A Mother who remembers having more than one child... A husband who remembers having a different wife These things may seem random but the chilling truth is that they represent a rampant epidemic growing silently all around us.

I believe that Alice still exists, submerged within the collective consciousness. She's changing our memories, for what purpose I don't know. What I do know is that we let something loose in this world, something that could very well be our undoing.

[RunningDeer]

3 Qualities of Genuine Mandela Effects

Author, Cynthia Sue Larson, “Reality Shifts: When Consciousness Changes the Physical World,” 1999. Added below is the account Larson mentions where a watch was broken and then repaired @ 4:18 (https://youtu.be/HBCLYPiUwL8?t=4m18s).

[transcript for this video here (https://cynthiasuelarson.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/mandela-effect-test-how-to-recognize-true-mandela-effects/)]


HBCLYPiUwL8

Published on Jul 20, 2016

http://www.realityshifters.com -- Which Mandela Effects have you seen that are the real thing? Which have you seen that aren't?

If you've heard about the Mandela Effect, you might be wondering how to tell when you're face-to-face with a genuine Mandela Effect, and when you're not, and the truth about how you can tell might surprise you!

The Mandela Effect demonstrates that facts and histories can change, and not everyone remembers things the same way. I've received emails from people writing, “I think I've experienced a Mandela Effect, but I'm not sure,” which indicates many people would like to know how we can tell when we've encountered a genuine Mandela Effect experience--or not.

You can read the companion blog post in its entirety at: http://wp.me/pbqQk-Tz


******

Watch was Broken and then Repaired

From “Reality Shifts: When Consciousness Changes the Physical World,” Larson, Cynthia Sue,1999




The captain had been teaching my friend how to steer with a tiller, and my friend was not yet familiar with bringing the boat around into the wind. Another sudden wind shift popped like a gun, bringing the boom back across so the captain could scramble back on board and bring the boat around into the wind, slowing them down and bringing the captain to the high side of the boat so he could walk aboard, since it had been taking all his strength just to hold on until then. The captain handed my friend his glasses when the wind changed again ... and the boat came about suddenly, pushing the lens right out of the glasses and putting the captain on the high windward side of the boat. The captain crawled over the rail back into the boat, and told my friend how to steer into the wind.

In all the chaos of this wild sailboat ride, my friend banged his wrist and wristwatch, and he looked down to see a hair line crack in the crystal from about 10: 00 going to 7: 00 on the dial. There was a divergence in the center, so this was not exactly a straight crack that he could feel and catch his thumbnail on.

I saw the crack on my friend's watch the day after it broke, and was impressed to hear the story and see such noticeable damage to the watch. I had a passing thought, I wish this watch crystal could return to its normally beautiful state, as I felt sad to see such a beautiful watch so damaged. Several days later when my friend was on the boat again, he told the racing club the story about how his friend had gone water skiing in his sandals off the sailboat, ending the story with, "And it even broke my watch," as he looked at his watch crystal… stunned to see it in perfect condition. His friend then asked, "Where'd you get that fixed?," and my friend replied, "I didn't ... I was just going to!"

[Innocent Warrior]

Just thought I'd share this here for anyone interested. I've been looking for science (beyond how memories are impressed on and retrieved by the brain) that may offer insights on what could be causing the Mandela effect. I haven't read this yet but it looks like it could be helpful.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51tbu9DrQSL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Full PDF HERE (https://eduardolbm.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/science-and-the-akashic-field-ervin-laszlo.pdf).

[meat suit]

Ok, so what are the consequences of this effect...
what is to be expected , to be prepared for and how can it be put to good use....

the changing of film lines, logos, text is nothing but trivia.. imagine we wake up one day and 'Africa' doesnt exist (or Israel :bounce:)
imagine people you know are just wiped out... or enviromental conditions... the water is now red not blue etc..
or things that werent there appear, anything really new animals, aliens, planets ..anything...

there is clearly a tchnology that causes this...so what about finding a way to paste things into this world that exist on another timeline but havent been invented here... like anti gravity devices, free energy devices, revolutionary foods or live enhancing drugs...

I know this kind of thing seems to easily happen in non material envroments like music composition and production. I always tune into the way the music 'wants' to go when I work on music... famously Paul Mc Cartney 'dreamed' the song 'Yesterday' in its complet entirety one night.. he wrote it down in the morning and was so convinced the he heard it somwhere that he send a publisher on the chase to find the writer of the song... he was never found of course... Nicola Tesla is another example of a guy who just 'came up' with tons of inventions...

personally my own powers of manifestion have just increased by quite a bit... stuff I want is happening...

[Hervé]

"Déjà vu" can give an ébauche of explanation when considering that the template for the occurrence of some event was already imprinted/implanted/present in one's mind when in the "dream world"... and then one can debate about the creative power of one's mind/unconscious creating the reality of that imprinted/implanted holographic mental video into actual physical, 3D reality.

When a déjà vu occurs, two universes superimpose onto each other, one from the dream world which is perceived as a memory of the current 3D physical reality that’s unfolding, they might not match perfectly but, very certainly, these two universes melded together at that moment; one virtual, one physical.

Sometimes, the “virtual” reality looks and feel realer than the “ordinary” physical, 3D reality…


[...]
The second implies that somehow, a collective unconscious can be altered via some psychotronics applications... à la Dr.Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan)...
[...]

Digging around this one, one could infer that a "veil" is lifting off people's mind... from which, one could derive a couple of inferences, if not more:



the "veiling" isn't enforced any longer
beings are truly awakening to a physical reality that was previously perceived through a fog of sensations


The first point could be a further psy-op designed to make individuals doubt that what they happen to remember isn’t actually real and therefore make them dismiss whatever they run into/encounter in their introspections/meditations... nasty, if that's the case.

[Hervé]

Then, there's the normal, habitual, run-of-the-mill human behavior:

Kahneman: Your Cognitive Biases Act Like Optical Illusions (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/01/kahneman-biases-act-like-optical-illusions.html)

By Drake Baer (http://nymag.com/author/Drake%20Baer/) January 13, 2017 1:32 p.m.



https://www.sott.net/image/s18/370804/large/13_daniel_kahneman_w710_h473.jpg
Photo: Craig Barritt/Getty Images for The New Yorker Meeting


Daniel Kahneman in real life is the psych-nerd equivalent of hanging out with Bob Dylan. Both have recently been (https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economic-sciences/laureates/2002/kahneman-facts.html)awarded (https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2016/index.html) Nobel Prizes. Both reformed their fields. While Dylan bulldozed folk and reinvented rock with an electric guitar, Kahneman and his longtime collaborator Amos Tversky employed clever study designs to reveal how misled by intuitions and mental shortcuts — which they termed heuristics — and how reliably irrational humans are. As Michael Lewis details in his new book on their collaboration, The Undoing Project (https://www.amazon.com/Undoing-Project-Friendship-Changed-Minds/dp/0393254593), the duo’s research upended foundational assumptions not just in psychology, but economics, medicine, professional sports, and beyond.



This week, I had the privilege of nabbing a half-hour of conversation with Kahneman before he went onstage at a private dinner in Manhattan. One burning question I had is why the mind so constantly cruises to the automatic, unconscious mental shortcuts that he detailed in Thinking, Fast and Slow (https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484327403&sr=1-1&keywords=Thinking%2C+Fast+and+Slow). To the 82-year-old Princeton psychologist, people think like they see. By recognizing this, you might be a little less likely to fixate on first impressions or fall victim to confirmation bias.

“In visual perception, you have a process that suppresses ambiguity,” Kahneman tells Science of Us, “so that a single interpretation is chosen, and you’re not aware of the ambiguity.”

Consider the form at the center of the below optical illusion.


https://www.sott.net/image/s18/370801/large/13_abc_chart_nocrop_w710_h2147.jpg
Photo: Eva Hill


Depending on context — whether you’re “reading” the image horizontally or vertically, the characters snap into place as the letter B or the number 13. In perception, this process isn’t mysterious, Kahneman says. One interpretation is exchanged for another, with the alternate reading being suppressed. It’s palpable to you, the viewer. The analogous, and less obvious, pattern happens all the time in our habits of mind.



“When we reach interpretations, many of the characteristics of visual perception are retained, like a search for coherence, things that make sense together,” he said. “You’re very likely to perceive things that aren’t there in perception. All of us do that.”

Take, for instance, the notorious stickiness of first impressions. “There is some accuracy with a first impression, but if you’re going to be with a person for a long time, I’m not sure those early impressions are very useful to you,” he says. (Consider that the next time you want to ghost someone after one date.) Because of this, he says, first impressions tend to be self-fulfilling: If you take someone to be hostile toward you, you’ll act hostile toward them, prompting their hostility — and you thinking you had the impression right the whole time.

Indeed, people can’t help but impose the letter B or the number 13 on the messiness of life. “Where does confirmation bias come from? Confirmation bias comes from when you have an interpretation, and you adopt it, and then, top down, you force everything to fit that interpretation,” Kahneman says. “That’s a process that we know occurs in perception that resolves ambiguity, and it’s highly plausible that a similar process occurs in thinking.” Which is precisely why you — or a president (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/12/michael-lewiss-new-book-made-me-more-worried-about-trump.html) — shouldn’t trust everything you think. Unfortunately, the more powerful you are, the more you believe your own thoughts (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/10/how-powerful-people-think-differently.html).

SOTT Comment: (https://www.sott.net/article/339675-Daniel-Kahneman-How-your-cognitive-biases-act-like-optical-illusions)
More on Kahneman's System 1 and System 2 (https://www.sott.net/article/272214-Two-brains-running-Thinking-fast-and-slow) as described in Thinking, Fast and Slow (https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484327403&sr=1-1&keywords=Thinking%2C+Fast+and+Slow):
System 1 uses association and metaphor to produce a quick and dirty draft of reality, which System 2 draws on to arrive at explicit beliefs and reasoned choices. System 1 proposes, System 2 disposes. So System 2 would seem to be the boss, right? In principle, yes. But System 2, in addition to being more deliberate and rational, is also lazy. And it tires easily. (The vogue term for this is "ego depletion.") Too often, instead of slowing things down and analyzing them, System 2 is content to accept the easy but unreliable story about the world that System 1 feeds to it. Related:


Debunking the Myth of Intuition (https://www.sott.net/article/253078-Debunking-the-Myth-of-Intuition)
The Psychology of Stupidity (https://www.sott.net/article/246654-The-Psychology-of-Stupidity)
58 Cognitive biases that screw up everything we do (https://www.sott.net/article/280753-58-Cognitive-biases-that-screw-up-everything-we-do)



See also this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91089-Pareidolia-or-Intended-2D-Rendering-Of-A-3D-Construct&p=1127122&viewfull=1#post1127122) (<---)

[avid]

Tricks of the graphic design trade, logos with a twist, dingbats and typeface tweeks.... we think we see x, but we see x and y, and even more....
We use colour, juxtaposition, contrast and a plethora of Bridget Riley mindwarps!
We use layers of media to subliminally coerce viewers....
It's more Mandelbrot than Mandela in some instances!
I did enjoy the job.


(Passes a can of BS repellant to Bill and Hervé) 😉

[skogvokter]

I dont think this has been mention in this thread, but I think the ford logo has changed . I drive a ford and have for the last 5 years. Also my first car was a ford and I'm a gearhead and know my cars. Now the logo has it small captital letter e on the F..almost like Feord. Google the logo.
This is how I rememeber ithttp://i.imgur.com/qS1I6Wk.png

And some other mandela effect.. It started with Interview with A vampire(not the) and a bit later added the The Vampire Chronicles.
The big one is the Kennedy assassination. I'm not sure what to make of this one.

Edit: And Dolly have braces in Moonraker(It's pointless withouth)

[Bill Ryan]

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Of interest, maybe:

Here's Alex Jones (who may never have heard of the Mandela Effect) citing Mirror Mirror, on the Wall, talking about Madonna, in yesterday's Infowars show (23 Jan 2017). The clip here is just 30 seconds.

http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_Mirror_Mirror.mp3

[lightning23]

Maybe this has been mentioned already, but I found it very interesting and wanted to share..._ut7DN5N17E

[hohoemi]

I may have just experienced a physical-level mandela effect:

I have an old hoodie at my parents' place that used to have holes in the ellbow before my granny repaired them. Visiting today, I pulled the hoodie out, thinking about the repaired ellbows and that you can't see the holes from a distance anymore (since I sometimes wore it while shopping and would have felt foolish with huge holes on the ellbows).
Lo and behold, the holes are not repaired, and there is no sign of anything ever being done to them. (At first when pulling it out and noticing the hole, I thought the repair-work must have come undone, but when inspecting the ellbows, I noticed that they had never been repaired...)

I considered a wrong memory, since I have another repaired hoody in the same closet, but the colours are completely different, and even before pulling it out I was thinking about the fact that the holes on this (currently unrepaired) white hoodie were mended with white tread which made them invisible, and the holes on the red (still repaired) hoodie have been repaired with white and green thread, so they're highly visible.

I'm not 100% certain and am wondering whether it's possible that I might have misremembered this somehow since my memories tend to be a bit funky, but I'm leaning to the side of a mandela effect...

EDIT:
I just went to ask my granny, and even she remembers having repaired both ellbows on something white. (She specifically mentioned both elbows because I was showing her only one of them as I asked her about this).

[Verdilac]

Maybe this has been mentioned already, but I found it very interesting and wanted to share..._ut7DN5N17E

Whilst I don't agree with the name of this manifestation I cannot disagree that there is something happening, the misinformation in the msm plays its part I believe as the BBC changes some of its radio news stories from hour to hour to confuse people and possibly trigger people.

For example, there was a news story last week that mentioned a political party announcing that people in the UK could no longer afford to buy and own there own homes due to price increases . An hour passes, same story but different political party is apparently the source of the news along with fitting sound bite from spokesperson.

I wish I could say this in an isolated incident but it isn't, there is a pattern if anyone pays attention.

I'm glad someone mentioned The d-wave as I remember listening to the interview below and wondered if it fitted in with the topic.

From 38.00 on maybe relevant if the small changes we are noticing are a precursor to the next stage of something, Its certainly worth a listen.

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[uzn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYonTBRM0VI

[skogvokter]

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A recent one: Uncle Sam’s hat TURNED White! no RED Stripes
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A picture of a guy posing with a hat with stripes, and in the background a poster of uncle sam with a no stripe hat.: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UX-l-wqTca4/V6QffHWo-AI/AAAAAAAAKvA/ltouGLXDli4cCH22zlbsGa5mSwCamDJmwCLcB/s1600/Walter_Botts_U

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Does anyone remember uncle sam's hat had stripes?
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[Omni]

Perhaps the Mandela effect psyops can be summed up by the occultists constantly making a mockery of the public.

[Hervé]

[...]
A recent one: Uncle Sam’s hat TURNED White! no RED Stripes
[...]
From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.zm9.html):

http://82.221.129.208/unclesamhat.jpg

[ExomatrixTV]

Could "The Mandela Effect" be caused by A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) from the Future >>> Synthetic Life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_biology) Robotics having what I call: "Synthetic Consciousness" >>> Having Full Access To Multiple Secret Projects in almost all countries East & West Being HACKED by Them >>> Future Version of ChatGPT (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120428-Jordan-Peterson-Dire-Warning-About-A.I.-Chat-GPT-Unleashed-2023-to-the-Next-Level) 6 or much higher ... And have something that seem "Alien Level Powers" we never can comprehend?

IF they find a way to create a "time-intervention" co-creating more parallel universes aka "multiverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse)" that does not necessarily mean they need a normal human to do it for them ... but something else!

Quantum Computers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computing) already use "multiverse" principles to calculate things that are beyond the speed of all "super computers combined" ... So many have no clue how profound "qubits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubit)" are. And what the consequences are if A.I. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102409-A.I.-is-Progressing-Faster-Than-You-Think-) will use it for their "agenda" whatever that is.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳




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