Vatican calls for "taxation measures on financial transactions"

[ThePythonicCow]

The Vatican calls for "taxation measures on financial transactions", as as noted in an article entitled Vatican Calls For Central World Bank To Be Set Up Across The Globe (http://worldtruth.tv/vatican-calls-for-central-world-bank-to-be-set-up-across-the-globe/).

It's not the World Bank that dismays me -- we already have that, literally the World Bank, as well as the Bank of International Settlements, which has served in pretty much that role for nearly a century now.

It's the call for "taxation measures on financial transactions" that dismays me.

How more pervasive and intrusive can you get? Taxing all transactions of course justifies and requires surveilling all transactions (can't let some escape their tax payment, can you?).

Moreover, this leads to a global authority deciding which transactions are allowed, in the name of fighting terrorism or whatever is the boogey man of the day ... and if your child hasn't done his homework, guess that means his allowance is not allowed this week either.

This must not happen.

[ThePythonicCow]

Dang - this is "old" news. I should have researched it more carefully, though my dismay still applies.

The phrase "taxation measures on financial transactions" apparently comes from this October 2011 document Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of Global Public Authority (https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/publications/towards-reforming-the-international-financial-and-monetary-systems-in-the-context-of-global-public-authority).

The text of this 2011 document is here (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20111024_nota_en.html):


Section 4 of that document contains this passage:

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On the basis of this sort of ethical approach, it seems advisable to reflect, for example, on:

a) taxation measures on financial transactions with fair rates modulated in proportion to the complexity of operations, especially those made on the “secondary” market. Such taxation would be very useful in promoting global development and sustainability according to the principles of social justice and solidarity. It could also contribute to the creation of a world reserve fund to support the economies of the countries hit by crisis as well as the recovery of their monetary and financial systems;

b) forms of recapitalization of banks with public funds, making the support conditional on “virtuous” behaviours aimed at developing the “real economy”;

c) the definition of the two domains of ordinary credit and of Investment Banking. This distinction would allow a more effective management of the “shadow markets” which have no controls and limits.On the basis of this sort of ethical approach, it seems advisable to reflect, for example, on:===========

The hidden Jesuit hand is deeply evident to me in this work. Note that the first Jesuit pope, Pope Francis, did not become pope until March 2013, two years after this document was published.

[ThePythonicCow]

According to this presentation in Feb 2014 by Cardinal Peter K. A. Turkson to the London School of Economics, Pope Benedict delayed two years before publishing the above document: Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems (pdf) (http://www.lse.ac.uk/assets/richmedia/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/transcripts/20140206_1830_towardsReformingInternationalFinancialSystems_tr.pdf) document.

The plans for global monetary control run deep, and have a long history. The Internet is providing them a wonderful (</sarcasm>) opportunity to advance their plans to anyone who can afford a cell phone.

[wnlight]

Paul,
Thanks for sharing that old news. It is still timely, and I had not seen it before. This shows the hand of the Vatican (once again) in its desire for evil, world domination.
Warren

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul,
Thanks for sharing that old news. It is still timely, and I had not seen it before. This shows the hand of the Vatican (once again) in its desire for evil, world domination.
Warren

I might suggest that the Vatican (and some other major institutions) are the gloves, hiding the hand of some elite that we know only indirectly, by such names as the Jesuits.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Internet is providing them a wonderful (</sarcasm>) opportunity to advance their plans to anyone who can afford a cell phone.

Tracking our financial transactions is one of the more pervasive ways in which the elite bastards keep track of us. Zerohedge just posted a good article, describing more of these ways; How Globalists Predict Your Behavior (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/how-globalists-predict-your-behavior).

[shaberon]

This is a strange one.

I notice in the original article they believe it will be a pleasant idea to "Occupy" movements and the like; perhaps because they refer to making a "Public" institution. They then basically say the IMF isn't...doing such a great job...and you'd have to say that place isn't very public.

The "financial transactions" aren't defined, it sounds like they mean bank-to-bank types of things. Not sure. Given that this backup plan has been around for a few years, they may have been scrambling to compete with the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, which itself is probably going to sweep the IMF into the dustbin. At the same time, they make it sound like they've never heard of the Bank of International Settlements.

So in a way, their "money talk" probably *could be* appealing if you really look at some of their comments--the upswing of that at the end of the article is the necessity of all nations surrendering part of their power to a world authority. So that has Jesuit fingerprints all over it. A red hot poker in the eye is my answer.

[naste.de.lumina]

The way I see it (and I may be mistaken), to achieve this goal, they would have to be able to break the encryption of the blockchain (bitcoin).

[ThePythonicCow]

The way I see it (and I may be mistaken), to achieve this goal, they would have to be able to break the encryption of the blockchain (bitcoin).

As with encryption, "they" don't have to break the basic mathematical algorithms, but rather compromise all major uses of such technology sufficiently that almost nothing escapes their notice and control.

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This is a strange oneSeveral excellent points - thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

By accident, I came across another reference to taxing financial transactions.

In this video (http://thephaser.com/2017/01/trumps-master-strategy-rense-robert-steele/), Robert Steele, being interviewed by Jeff Rense[/url], speaks in favor of something called the Automated Payment Transaction (APT) tax (http://www.apttax.com/), a universal tax on all financial transactions to replace sundry other taxes. It would replace income, fuel, sales, excise, estate, and other taxes.

I suppose if some financial transactions could be done using block chain technology, then all legal financial block chains would also have to collect this tax, a fraction of one percent, on each movement. For example, it would cost me that tax to move cryptocurrency from my small wallet that I use for transactions with others, and my (slightly) larger wallet that I keep offline for "cold" storage.

[lucidity]

The Vatican calls for "taxation measures on financial transactions", as as noted in an article entitled Vatican Calls For Central World Bank To Be Set Up Across The Globe (http://worldtruth.tv/vatican-calls-for-central-world-bank-to-be-set-up-across-the-globe/).

It's not the World Bank that dismays me -- we already have that, literally the World Bank, as well as the Bank of International Settlements, which has served in pretty much that role for nearly a century now.

It's the call for "taxation measures on financial transactions" that dismays me.

How more pervasive and intrusive can you get? Taxing all transactions of course justifies and requires surveilling all transactions (can't let some escape their tax payment, can you?).

Moreover, this leads to a global authority deciding which transactions are allowed, in the name of fighting terrorism or whatever is the boogey man of the day ... and if your child hasn't done his homework, guess that means his allowance is not allowed this week either.

This must not happen.


This looks very much like an illuminati ploy to arrive at a one world (tyrannical) government.
Maybe this suggestion is telling us that the globalists and the Vatican are reading from the
same satanic agenda.

[shaberon]

The Jesuits have been doing that for nearly 500 years. Any and all other plots are only following in their wake.

The 2011 document is from Georgetown--one of their puppy kennels. That points me in the direction that: this is not a joke, and they may be able to craft a sales pitch that will be successful with enough people, so that dissenting opinions will turn to dust in the wind. Twenty years down the road it will be accepted as the new status quo.

So it's worth looking for where this might be going, or who's getting into it...otherwise, one day it will be a done deal that puts on an act of going through some kind of vote.

[ThePythonicCow]

The 2011 document is from Georgetown--one of their puppy kennels. That points me in the direction that: this is not a joke
Agreed.

And the APT (http://www.apttax.com/) link that I added in another post above adds more weight to this "tax all financial transations" proposal.

And with more wide spread use of block chain technology (under the control of financial institutions and government law), just paying $2.50 for a Starbucks coffee would be a "financial transation", between my account at Bank A, and Starbuck's account, at Bank B.

[naste.de.lumina]

The way I see it (and I may be mistaken), to achieve this goal, they would have to be able to break the encryption of the blockchain (bitcoin).

As with encryption, "they" don't have to break the basic mathematical algorithms, but rather compromise all major uses of such technology sufficiently that almost nothing escapes their notice and control.

You are quite right at this point my friend.

But it could be like a cat running to get the mouse.





I suppose if some financial transactions could be done using block chain technology, then all legal financial block chains would also have to collect this tax, a fraction of one percent, on each movement. For example, it would cost me that tax to move cryptocurrency from my small wallet that I use for transactions with others, and my (slightly) larger wallet that I keep offline for "cold" storage.

In order to achieve this goal, 'they' would have to be able to impose this 'fee levy' on all those who currently participate in 'transaction validations' and also on those who may come in the future. Theoretically, today anyone can choose to do so.

'They' will have to be able to control the processing power capacity that many individuals working together can produce (processors and power available),

As I said before, a cat running to get the mouse.

A curiosity.

The letter 'B' that makes up the symbol looks like the junction of numbers 1 and 3.
https://media.coindesk.com/uploads/2014/03/bitcoin-logo-digitized-300x185.jpg

Remembering that the Jesuit Jorge Mario Bergoglio aka Francis Pope, chose the number 13 as 'his', so to speak, when choosing the day => 03/13/2013 to introduce himself to his 'lambs'.

As I said in an earlier post, the concept behind the blockchain implies DACs (decentralized autonomous corporations). Each 'device' connected to the blockchain is a DAC. Just like the cells of the human body.

In my opinion, the 'entities' responsible in practice for the implementation of the Bitcoin concept, possesses privileged knowledge. I do not rule out the possibility that the 'Vatican' is behind the 'phenomenon' Bitcoin.

For those who truly command the pyramid top, the 'owner of the eye', time is a 'detail' and their agendas look far.

[Pam]

Why in the world does the Vatican think they have any say in this? They are supposed to be a religion. Jesus threw the moneymakers out of the temple, so they have come full circle. Well, I guess the cat is totally and completely out of the bag.

[sdv]

Personally, I think the Vatican should stick to prayer and running soup kitchens!

Realistically, the Vatican is deeply involved with the elite through the Vatican Bank.

[East Sun]

Total evil took over the "holy" Roman catholic church with the conception of the jesuits.

People hate being deceived so we will end them one way or another, eventually........

[araucaria]

The Vatican calls for "taxation measures on financial transactions", as as noted in an article entitled Vatican Calls For Central World Bank To Be Set Up Across The Globe (http://worldtruth.tv/vatican-calls-for-central-world-bank-to-be-set-up-across-the-globe/).

It's not the World Bank that dismays me -- we already have that, literally the World Bank, as well as the Bank of International Settlements, which has served in pretty much that role for nearly a century now.

It's the call for "taxation measures on financial transactions" that dismays me.

How more pervasive and intrusive can you get? Taxing all transactions of course justifies and requires surveilling all transactions (can't let some escape their tax payment, can you?).

Moreover, this leads to a global authority deciding which transactions are allowed, in the name of fighting terrorism or whatever is the boogey man of the day ... and if your child hasn't done his homework, guess that means his allowance is not allowed this week either.

This must not happen.
Perhaps it would be appropriate, the mistake in post #1 having been corrected in post #2, to take another look at the originally incriminated article referenced above. It contains nothing that I for one would not agree with, provided its recommendations were implemented in a manner serving the public interest.


and if your child hasn't done his homework, guess that means his allowance is not allowed this week either
A little over the top, don’t you think? What has a kid’s pocket money to do with taxing bank transactions? Also the taxation = surveillance equation is not automatic. You can have either one without the other. You pay sales tax on cash transactions in a store. And many people draw up their own income statement; they can declare what they like – and many do – until they get found out. It could be argued, and there is evidence to indicate that a little more surveillance on tax evasion might be a very effective way of getting money back in ordinary people’s pockets where it belongs.

[Cardillac]

all religious insitutions are tax-exempt, including the Vatican-

the Vatican bank is a major money-laundering back (gosh)

as Jordan Maxwell has often stated: "all the woes of the world can be attributed to the Vatican"-

Larry

[wnlight]

Help me out here. I cannot understand why this thread is discussing the mechanics of such a diabolic method of taxation. No nation should ever agree to it. How would this tax money be used? Yes, I read the "Section 4" in Paul's second post, but who decides how this money is used? The Vatican? The UN? In who's pocket does this money reside? Seems to me pretty easy to embezzle. This also looks like taxation without representation. This form of taxation appears to be a creature that could easily grow in amount and in scope once it had become universally accepted. I personally think that any transaction taxation should remain within the scope and control of each individual, sovereign nation. There is no ideal tax collection, but it is better to keep control as close to the people being taxed as is possible. BTW, What makes you so sure that the bitcoin encryption hasn't already been cracked by TPTB?

[ThePythonicCow]

Help me out here. I cannot understand why this thread is discussing the mechanics of such a diabolic method of taxation. No nation should ever agree to it.
My take is that the people living in nations are increasingly losing control of their nation's destiny, even as what seems to be "nationalism" and "populism" are on the rise.

To justify a global tax and the requisite institutions to collect and use it, we must be presented with global threats, that no nation, corporation or individual, however large they might be (think of such examples as the US, Monsanto and Soros) should be able to circumvent.

Think of such threats (whether real or staged) as

global warming (aka climate change),
world monetary and economic collapse,
the end of peak cheap oil
world wide ecological collapse,
world wide terrorism,
invading aliens,
a large inter-planetary object threatening life on earth, and/or
a “galactic superwave” (Paul LaViolette's term) threatening life on earth.

Think of all the major respected institutions, including the major nations, major corporations and media, and major churches, all putting their weight behind this.

[ThePythonicCow]

In order to achieve this goal, 'they' would have to be able to impose this 'fee levy' on all those who currently participate in 'transaction validations' and also on those who may come in the future.
Today, two competent geeks can successfully exchange secret information, using cryptography, with a high probability of not having the minions of the bastards in power being able to read it.

In the future, I expect that two competent geeks will continue to be able to exchange cryptocurrencies, with a high probability of not having the minions of the bastards in power being able to track it.

But as soon as an effort is made to use that secret information or that monetary value in the "larger" world, involving others in ways that can be surveilled or manipulated, then "the cat's out of the bag" and the minions of the bastards in power become (perhaps uninvited) parties to the activity.

This is much the way that the human body handles toxins. There are likely many very deadly toxins and pathogens "squirrelled" away in our bodies, in small amounts, wrapped in some inert material, out of harms way.

The substantial alternative media push for cryptocurrencies, like the earlier and ongoing push for cryptography (e.g., Google is pushing all websites, including Project Avalon) to use encrypted https, rather than plain text http), is deceptive. Such projects start out using "protection from the evil eye of our overlords" as a selling feature, but then end up providing the masses with variants of the technology that, while it may keep out ordinary crooks and humans, nevertheless has been fully compromised by our dominant overlords.

[naste.de.lumina]

In order to achieve this goal, 'they' would have to be able to impose this 'fee levy' on all those who currently participate in 'transaction validations' and also on those who may come in the future.
Today, two competent geeks can successfully exchange secret information, using cryptography, with a high probability of not having the minions of the bastards in power being able to read it.

In the future, I expect that two competent geeks will continue to be able to exchange cryptocurrencies, with a high probability of not having the minions of the bastards in power being able to track it.

But as soon as an effort is made to use that secret information or that monetary value in the "larger" world, involving others in ways that can be surveilled or manipulated, then "the cat's out of the bag" and the minions of the bastards in power become (perhaps uninvited) parties to the activity.

This is much the way that the human body handles toxins. There are likely many very deadly toxins and pathogens "squirrelled" away in our bodies, in small amounts, wrapped in some inert material, out of harms way.

The substantial alternative media push for cryptocurrencies, like the earlier and ongoing push for cryptography (e.g., Google is pushing all websites, including Project Avalon) to use encrypted https, rather than plain text http), is deceptive. Such projects start out using "protection from the evil eye of our overlords" as a selling feature, but then end up providing the masses with variants of the technology that, while it may keep out ordinary crooks and humans, nevertheless has been fully compromised by our dominant overlords.

I think the main objective of the Bitcoin concept is the decentralization of the financial system and transparency in transactions.

No one, country or corporation would control (manipulate) the digital currency.

If the goal is being achieved, it will be natural to expect countries at some point to try to stifle the use of this system.

China's Central Bank is Inspecting Bitcoin Operators, Bitcoin Price is Tumbling (Https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinas-central-bank-is-raiding-bitcoin-operators-bitcoin-price-is-tumbling)


China's Central Bank to Conduct Ongoing Bitcoin Exchange Visits (Http://www.coindesk.com/chinas-central-bank-conduct-ongoing-bitcoin-exchange-visits/)


I think that if Chinese overlords currently had the ability to break bitcoin encryption, or another control form, they would not be initiating these 'inspection visits' (theoretically just to see if everything is within the 'rules') in the miners.

In my opinion, if Bitcoin does not provoke shameless attempts at retaliation by governments, it is because it is not fulfilling its main objective.

P.S.: Sorry for leaving topic 'Vatican' and taxation measures on financial transactions.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think the main objective of the Bitcoin concept is the decentralization of the financial system and transparency in transactions.

No one, country or corporation would control (manipulate) the digital currency.

If the goal is being achieved, it will be natural to expect countries at some point to try to stifle the use of this system.
That was the main selling point of Bitcoin, yes.

That goal is not being achieved however.

We will end up having available to us a variety of "consumer friendly" methods of transferring money, even in small amounts, individual to individual, and individual to/from business. These methods will be almost instant (seconds), and they will make use of block chain or similar technology. Financial institutions will control the keys to most of our wallets, not the average individual. This infrastructure will be essential to taxing even small financial transactions (and along with that, surveilling, manipulating and controlling them.)

All our major technologies undergo this sort of transformation that adapts it to mass surveillance and manipulation by the minions of the elite bastards: printing, coal energy, petro energy, computation (Intel has hooks deep inside their CPUs), voice communications, digitial communications, email, cryptography, cryptocurrency, social media, search engines, online shopping, ...

Nothing achieves wide spread usage that can escape this fate.

[ThePythonicCow]

To justify a global tax and the requisite institutions to collect and use it, we must be presented with global threats, that no nation, corporation or individual, however large they might be (think of such examples as the US, Monsanto and Soros) should be able to circumvent.

Think of such threats (whether real or staged) as

global warming (aka climate change),
world monetary and economic collapse,
the end of peak cheap oil
world wide ecological collapse,
world wide terrorism,
invading aliens,
a large inter-planetary object threatening life on earth, and/or
a “galactic superwave” (Paul LaViolette's term) threatening life on earth.

Another item to add to this list of global threats, requiring a globally coordinated response:
Soros and NGO's
Listen to this latest "News and Views from the Nefarium" by Joseph P Farrell, with this thought in mind:
A wide spread revulsion to George Soros and the NGO's (non-government organizations) that he funds is being stirred up. Surely a supra-national coordinated effort will be called for, to counter Soros.
Ts_kdENZKJw
My speculation in this regard goes beyond Farrell's own "high octane speculation", that some sort of "international mafia war" is breaking out.

I'm suggesting that such "wars" break out when our overlords anticipate that they will find opportunities, in the conduct and resolution of such wars, to further their long standing interests.

[ThePythonicCow]

All our major technologies undergo this sort of transformation that adapts it to mass surveillance and manipulation by the minions of the elite bastards: printing, coal energy, petro energy, computation (Intel has hooks deep inside their CPUs), voice communications, digitial communications, email, cryptography, cryptocurrency, social media, search engines, online shopping, ...
Another list to be extended - add to this list gold.

Yes, gold, the mother of all money. Gold did not become the most enduring form of money until the powerful acquired dominant control over its mining. This happened, if my memory of what I've read serves me, when large mining operations in Africa, using slave labor taken from various places by the Egyptian military, became the dominant source of monetary gold in the world as was known then.

Monoplistic and technical control, using dominant military might, secret technology, and propaganda, are always and everywhere some of the most essential keys to imposing dominating survillance, manipulation and control over populations.

Crypto-currencies are at heart an alternative form of shared database update, using an oligarchy of cooperating and authorized databases rather than a single, central database. This will be yet one more technology put to use in the ongoing, never ending it seems, struggle to domesticate the human animal.

[shaberon]

I looked for any updates or fruit to emerge from this, and so far found nothing.

It seems to be a slight change in strategy, as even a 2009 massive papal document "Caritas in veritate", while being a fairly insidious tract of globalism, has not yet called for an alternative to the existing institutions. Scandals at the time had forced some audits and increased transparency of things like the Vatican Bank. As it turns out, this bank does not exactly hold the Holy See's property, it's more or less just a bank that's in the Vatican territory, with some private superintendence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_the_Works_of_Religion

I'm keen on finding whatever new thing they decide to promote. Whatever it's called, you can be pretty sure that it will mostly be done by persuasion at the grassroots level that it's for "the greater good" accompanied by six hundred bullet points of somewhat effective rhetoric to back it up.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm keen on finding whatever new thing they decide to promote.
Let us know if you think you spotted it.

[shaberon]

No clues about a new thing so far.

But you are probably right to call out the mafia infighting. Apparently the IMF had a chance to bite on this new kind of tax, and refrained: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_tax#cite_note-Page-1

Which again serves to illustrate what I take to be the rival Western power blocs:

Fabian, London School of Economics, United Nations, U. S. State Dept. (Kissinger, Rockefeller), rule by council

Jesuit, Georgetown/U. Chicago/Fordham/NYU, Medical-Pharmaceutical, U. S. Military-Industrial Complex, autocratic

In many ways, the method of propaganda is often the same, but the cui bono?--leads to different nests. So on this tax issue, the IMF says no, but Papa says yes. They will work together and put on a similar face much of the time until they get at loggerheads like this. Obviously Rockefeller is pretty big in the medical stuff as well so, there's not always clear boundaries, but on this issue we can see the different sides. Not that either one is desirable.

There also appears to be hanging, a European Central Bank (and others) discord against the Basel/BIS policies requiring increased capital vs. risk: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-04/eu-amps-up-pressure-on-global-bank-regulator-to-soften-standards

You can probably find Jesuits on both sides of that; eventually they will have their say in favor of something.

[ThePythonicCow]

No clues about a new thing so far.One of my favorite places to look for interesting analysis is JC Collins at Philosophy of Metrics (http://philosophyofmetrics.com/). He has moved his more detailed work behind a paywall. Now and then I purchase one month, for $15, and catch up on his work. Well worth it. You can get a good idea from his Free side whether or not you find his approach interesting.