Great esoteric discovery made!

[WhiteLove]

I have made a great esoteric discovery that I want to share. Something similar is actually also mentioned in the Bible. I have gained first hand direct experience, so there is absolutely no filter in between.

What I have discovered is that when you express unconditional love inside for someone and visualize that person, this is true and it is the truth. It is your being in truth. My theory is that because it is true and because it is the truth, God of absolute truth ensures this truth is arranged as physical manifestation.

In other words, there is a force beyond what our senses can perceive, that is highly aware of your unconditional love in your inner life and this awareness of the unconditional love in your inner life, has a direct influence on what you will experience. The indication is that unconditional love is of such a high order in creation, that it must by definition override everything else, no matter what those conditions might be.

So therefore, love unconditionally without attachments, without conditions, because your unconditional love is true and it is of a high order in creation, it overrides much, so don't think it does not matter because it matters. This energy of love that you send is received, and it is channeled to the person who is the target of it, through arrangements in the physical world. This in turn means that the nature of the response by the greater force, desires good, it desires this unconditional love to reach its target and it does what it takes to arrange the opportunity for that target person to receive that love, because God loves both persons unconditionally.

I am also working on a theory relating to this, which is that every time you feel a true unconditional love like this on the inside for someone, it becomes a time split, the consciousness expands into another parallel life thread and along that parallel life thread arrangements are made to ensure this unconditional love reaches its destination. So this would mean that life is actually multiple lives playing out simultaneously, each leading towards one of your expressions of unconditional love. But this extension theory on my main theory, I am still working on, so I have not made the conclusion that this is technically how it works.

So just love unconditionally. :heart:

It is important that when you love many beings, that no matter what (this is what unconditional love is), keep loving those beings in your heart totally without attachment. Let your heart swim in your unconditional love, a candle burning in your heart for every such being that you love, even beyond death. It can be a person, an animal... Experiences always create memories and memories can seed into unconditional love inside of beings.

Because unconditional love has no boundaries.

And there is more. Not only does it appear that this person who you love unconditionally like this will come into your reality through manifestation, but it also appears that one other new person is entering your life too who is the combination of all unconditional love you have experienced and expressed lately.

So, do not be surprised if there are two types of responses coming in near simultaneously, one being a more direct one and another being sort of a higher representation of it. God is aware of all perspectives and hence is aware of the truth relative to the beings and the situation and can then respond from this truth out of unconditional love.

[Gillian]

In the Alchemist, Coelho mentions that enthusiasm is a force to be reckoned with. I suppose one should combine the two.

[TinFoilSuit]

This is interesting. I admittedly don't have very many 'strange' experiences under my belt, but I do have one experience I'd like to relate. The other day I was surveying an aisle at my local grocery store, when I heard a coughing woman drawing nearer to me from behind. She was obviously under the weather as her cough was quite uncontrollable. Soon she was right next to me and still coughing profusely. My initial reaction was one of mild disdain - i.e. "great this woman is coughing all over me and I'm probably going to catch her cold." As I started to move away, I instead paused, turned around and uttered a little prayer in my head, "please let his woman get better right away." I feel I did so with a genuine feeling of love for a fellow human being. Lo and behold, she immediately stopped her coughing fit. Later, as I was loading groceries in my trunk I saw her exiting the store - not coughing at all.

Now I fully realize that coughs come and go, and that it could very well be that the timing was just right. Certainly, I allow that correlation does not equal causation. All I know is at that very moment I created the thought, she stopped coughing. I went home thinking wow, there just might be something to this stuff :)

Anyways, take it for what you will

Cheers!

TFS

[RawLove]

In the Alchemist, Coelho mentions that enthusiasm is a force to be reckoned with. I suppose one should combine the two.

Such a great book by a deeply profound novelist! Along with The 40 Rules of Love by Şafak, the two definitely drive home the power that comes from unrequited love and passion.

[Lancelot]

A great reminder to think positively to create a positive outcome!

[Bill Ryan]

A great reminder to think positively to create a positive outcome!

Another great esoteric discovery might be humility.
Great esoteric discovery made!

[DebJoy]

Great ideas here! I love the idea of loving unconditionally, doing your actions with enthusiasm, and having humility :clapping:

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?

Thanks for your insights here.

[shaberon]

A bit like holding your breath perhaps. Disciplining a child. Close family members get angry or even hate each other, but still love them (in some cases).

The old Buddhist visualization is that every being has been your mother in a previous life. Not literally true, but, in principle, to avoid hypocrisy, I have to give the same acceptance to my worst enemy as my closest companion.

Hate the sin, not the sinner, is another viable maxim.

[wnlight]

It helps a lot if you are first able to express unconditional love for yourself. There are many people unable to love themselves and then have trouble extending that incomplete love to others.

You can learn to love someone who is imperfect in your judgement. Unconditional love is just that - unconditional. It is not the same as saying "I could love him/her if only ..." Really, no one is perfect, including yourself.

[Guish]

Great ideas here! I love the idea of loving unconditionally, doing your actions with enthusiasm, and having humility :clapping:

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?

Thanks for your insights here.

I posted this a couple of times here but it describes unconditional love in tough situations. It's the essence of Zen itself.

There was a monk named Hakuin who was well respected for his work among the people.

In the village, there lived a young woman, the daughter of the food sellers. The young woman became pregnant by her boy friend who worked nearby in the fish market. When the parents found out about this, they were very angry and pressured her to reveal the name of the father. She wanted to protect the young man and blurted out the name of Hakuin as the father.

After the baby was born, the parents took the baby to Hakuin. They told Hakuin that he was responsible for the baby and left the infant with him. He responded: “Is that so?” And he simply accepted the responsibility for the child without further reaction.

The monk had no experience with babies. But he began to care for its needs, finding food, clothing, and warm shelter. The other villagers became very angry with Hakuin for his offense and his reputation was trashed. These comments did not affect Hakuin, who continued to put his effort and attention into the care of the baby.

After several years, the young woman was filled with remorse. She confessed to her parents the name of the true father. They immediately went to see Hakuin, apologized, and took the baby back with them. Hakuin watched as they returned to there home with the child he had cared for since birth and replied “Is that so?”

[Eric J (Viking)]

Consciousness works in mysterious ways... beyond what many can comprehend.

If you focus for a long time with passion and intent you will have whatever you want.

I think we all have this amazing gift of creation, but alas many don't follow their own mind and creation.

Viking

[Ewan]

To love without any attached condition, pretty difficult thing to achive in this dimension.

I'm only at the stage of learning to 'appreciate'. When I'm adding minerals to my distilled water I spin it into a vortex and tell it how much I appreciate it, that it is life itself. When I do it properly my etheric body becomes excited, evidenced by all the hair standing up on my body. If I am half hearted about it there is no etheric response, but still a mild sense of peace.

To be frank I don't even know what love is. I understand all the other emotions, and I see how people conflate mixtures of these emotions with love, but love on this planet always seems to come with caveats attached. ie: If you continue to behave like this and I am happy I will love you.

Could you continue to love someone that raped your child, killed your dog? I honestly don't believe we reside in the correct dimension to achieve that strength of love, (whatever love is).

Forgiveness though, that's a different matter and something we are all capable of achieving I think.

(WhiteLove: Not disputing your experiences or thoughts and feelings, merely voicing my own. :) )

[WhiteLove]

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?


Unconditional love just is, it is true, it is the truth. This being in truth, can become suppressed by you and circumstances around you, so that your awareness/consciousness/emotional attachment sort of detaches, it goes to sleep. But that seed of unconditional love that is true inside of you, is still there, in sleep mode. So the process is to then re-attach the consciousness/awareness/emotions towards that unconditional love, to wake it up and accept it as "as valid" and "as unconditional" as all other loves towards all other beings, by moving the emotional and thought focus in love inside towards that being. So hence you kind of become the being you focus on, through unconditional love. In this way you then reach the state of being in which you are also present/awake in unconditional love about this being. The spirit and physical bodies are still separate, but when the unconditional love mutually reaches the full subjective unconditional love, God of total unconditional love will remove the condition caused by the subjective portion the beings cannot do anything about, this is an incredibly beautiful process in which you first become one with the spirit of who you love unconditionally and then become one with the spirit of God.

When the sleep is very deep and the detachment is very strong, you might need help to unfreeze the candle. God helps you with this in various ways, for instance by placing music discoveries in your awareness that you pick up or by placing you near physical locations where you know the being is. It can also happen out of your own seeking and desire towards that which has awakening properties. By consuming this music you get the types of influences that you need in order to reach a certain level of unconditional love desire. This causes the remembrance of the unconditional love to become so strong that through this desire you want to help it all the way. In this process you can pray to God and tell God that you still love and miss this being so much and so unconditionally and move your emotional and thought focus onto this being out of your unconditional love, by expressing your unconditional love on the inside it is sent. At this point you kind of reach a true state of being inside towards this being and you have now re-attached to unconditional love by holding it closer to you by being in unconditional love towards this being no matter what the conditions/circumstances may be. So it is a totally condition/circumstance free state of being in which you simply just is unconditional love. And that matters, it is highly important in creation!

[Ernie Nemeth]

So nice to watch a person coming to the light. I'd forgotten how joyous that is.

I practice unconditional love with my mate. I have been on this mission since 2003. It is the most freeing experience I've ever been privy to. I won't go into details but unconditional love for this person has been the central theme of my life since.

It is a sure-fire way to draw an inescapable demarcation between the thing that thinks it's you and the true you.

My ego hates it. I just laugh at it because my ego is capable of nothing else but hate anyway.

[Mercedes]

Hello beatiful avalonians, I have also struggled with loving a few close persons, but it seems that judgement plays an important part, and it's an ongoing process. But I believe a big part of the solution would be to have compassion for the person (s) you are trying to love.

[Helene West]

A great reminder to think positively to create a positive outcome!

Another great esoteric discovery might be humility.
Great esoteric discovery made!

Bill

Thank you for injecting a bit of reality here.

Not sure if we're on the exact same page with our ideas of 'humility' but for me it means coming to the acceptance that we are the Creation not the Creator. It takes Humility to accept that.

I read scores of new age books written from the '80s on pushing us to believe we are the creators not the creation, that we are all little gods and goddesses or co-creators with the Divine (for the record - I do not attend any church, synogogue, etc.).

There hasn't been enough analysis or research into how and by whom the New Age movement started and Who were/is the targeted audience and what was/is the purpose.

[lucidity]

What I have discovered is that when you express unconditional love inside for someone and visualize that person, this is true and it is the truth. It is your being in truth. My theory is that because it is true and because it is the truth, God of absolute truth ensures this truth is arranged as physical manifestation.

In other words, there is a force beyond what our senses can perceive, that is highly aware of your unconditional love in your inner life and this awareness of the unconditional love in your inner life, has a direct influence on what you will experience. The indication is that unconditional love is of such a high order in creation, that it must by definition override everything else, no matter what those conditions might be.

You're making a claim of having specific knowledge.

My questions are:
=> How do you know ?
=> Can you specify, what you were doing, and what happened in the two or three steps before you arrived at this knowledge.
=> Is this knowledge simply an abstract idea in your head, or can you demonstrate the truth of it to others?

be happy :-)

[Noelle]

On unconditional love when a person is negative or does not express unconditional love for you: I think it comes down to sorting out what really matters, understanding that we are here to learn and evolve, and knowing that much of what challenges our unconditional love springs up from materialism (the physical stuff, which is really an illusion) and imposed belief systems. My daughter, who is a young adult now, has made a lot of choices that once got under my skin. Forgive the pun, but she must have a dozen tattoos on her body, all in very visible places. I made my peace with it last year. She is on her own path -- and who am I to change it? Also, I had to really think about where my negative perception of tattoos came from, which is mainstream society (media, schools, corporations, etc.). It was not my own belief system. Simply put: We should look for ways to to fly above it.

[AndrejPeĉënkin]

Love is unconditional by definition.

[WhiteLove]

What I have discovered is that when you express unconditional love inside for someone and visualize that person, this is true and it is the truth. It is your being in truth. My theory is that because it is true and because it is the truth, God of absolute truth ensures this truth is arranged as physical manifestation.

In other words, there is a force beyond what our senses can perceive, that is highly aware of your unconditional love in your inner life and this awareness of the unconditional love in your inner life, has a direct influence on what you will experience. The indication is that unconditional love is of such a high order in creation, that it must by definition override everything else, no matter what those conditions might be.

You're making a claim of having specific knowledge.

My questions are:
=> How do you know ?
=> Can you specify, what you were doing, and what happened in the two or three steps before you arrived at this knowledge.
=> Is this knowledge simply an abstract idea in your head, or can you demonstrate the truth of it to others?

be happy :-)

I had loved someone like I described, roughly a couple of days and expected that this could yield a manifestation within a couple of days. To validate that this idea had some attachment to the truth, I setup the following validation criteria:

- The person must come into my life in reality within a couple of days
- The arrangement of the stuff leading to such a circumstance realizing must be coming unexpectedly from an external force (another being)
- The circumstance itself must be unusual and overall unlikely, both in terms of how it happens and from having it suddenly happen after a 5 month period of not having it happen, a period when I have not otherwise focused much in this direction
- It must happen very suddenly and unexpectedly
- When it happens it will make me feel that I am understanding the truth

All of these validation conditions turned out true. It felt so good to realize that against the odds the unconditional love just cut through it all and just ensured it happened. I instantly understood the presence of God in this. Chances are that God taught me about this in this way, maybe even so that you could read this and learn from it too.

But it was also kind of like this inside: "God I know you desire it too". I had this feeling that what I felt inside was unconditional and true enough, I could understand why it needed to lead to a manifestation, the love felt powerful, partly because with my mind I could understand also why my love was unconditional, it was so in several key ways and I kept remembering what God had told me, to just love unconditionally, that was exactly what I did, so it fitted in that way too. So I had ended up with this very beautiful mix of ingredients in the scenario, that made me able to also get a good test prepared and then when it against all odds just happened within my very constrained mix of validation criteria, it was kind of like I simply just got the answer to my question and had no reason left to doubt it because I had no reason to logically interpret it differently and there were no additional layers of influence in between, it was a direct experience between me and creation.

In situations like this, doubting that it works like this supports some old untrue poorly validated assumptions that honestly I don't even know where they come from, because I have never really found that to make much sense. You don't have to buy into such rubbish, why could unconditional love not have a certain order in creation. It is key to highlight that unconditional love has certain properties, for instance that you do not put a condition on the outcome. It is totally free from conditions but is under the constraints of the subjective consciousness (so it is in absolute terms not absolutely unconditional, but it is unconditional in relative terms - subjectively unconditional), which is kind of a bi-product of being a unique human having a unique human perspective. So it is unconditional based on your understanding of what unconditional love is, where that understanding is under limitation that you cannot do anything about, it's just the level of spiritual evolution you are currently at. If I would have entered a state of absolute unconditional love, the time and space of this reality would have frozen, I would have left my body and I would have merged with this spirit I loved unconditionally and would have left this reality going into the light of God through a total unconditional love vortex. (which is like an infinitely increasing love rush)

So you simply are, but inside there is an unconditional love candle burning for this being. So it becomes being in true light.

Are there conditions when this does not work? I think so, but I am not sure of that, but I have a theory that this might not work if the love is conditional. Conditional love would be for instance when the being must have some particular clothes on, maybe must have some particular fitness level, maybe must talk about certain things, maybe must be around certain persons, the meeting must take place at a certain place in a certain way, it all must also lead to very specific results and feel in a very particular way. In other words, the love becomes limited in many different ways. It's fitted inside of a box with a label on it that says: "I am not interested in anything else than this, if it is this, then it is love". It is the work of a creative mind that creates a strict set of very limiting requirements, then puts a label on that, which is - whoever that fits inside of this box I am in love with, because that is what love is.

Unconditional love is the opposite to that, when it perceives some criteria to be unexpected or different than its normal preferences or some standard common preferences in society, it integrates those unique features and loves even more unconditionally due to them, that's the compassionate portion of unconditional love, that it loves all portions and aspects of the being. To some degree maybe it also is that it projects the conditions that it would otherwise apply back to itself, so that whatever those ideas are it changes its subjective ideas about instead. It does whatever it takes to get to love that being freely without conditions. This is also why this becomes so beautiful and true (when it is what it is) and sweet when it is mutually accepted.

[lucidity]

What I have discovered is that when you express unconditional love inside for someone and visualize that person, this is true and it is the truth. It is your being in truth. My theory is that because it is true and because it is the truth, God of absolute truth ensures this truth is arranged as physical manifestation.

In other words, there is a force beyond what our senses can perceive, that is highly aware of your unconditional love in your inner life and this awareness of the unconditional love in your inner life, has a direct influence on what you will experience. The indication is that unconditional love is of such a high order in creation, that it must by definition override everything else, no matter what those conditions might be.

You're making a claim of having specific knowledge.

My questions are:
=> How do you know ?
=> Can you specify, what you were doing, and what happened in the two or three steps before you arrived at this knowledge.
=> Is this knowledge simply an abstract idea in your head, or can you demonstrate the truth of it to others?

be happy :-)

I had loved someone like I described, roughly a couple of days and expected that this could yield a manifestation within a couple of days. To validate that this idea had some attachment to the truth, I setup the following validation criteria:

- The person must come into my life in reality within a couple of days
- The arrangement of the stuff leading to such a circumstance realizing must be coming unexpectedly from an external force (another being)
- The circumstance itself must be unusual and overall unlikely, both in terms of how it happens and from having it suddenly happen after a 5 month period of not having it happen, a period when I have not otherwise focused much in this direction
- It must happen very suddenly and unexpectedly
- When it happens it will make me feel that I am understanding the truth

All of these validation conditions turned out true. It felt so good to realize that against the odds the unconditional love just cut through it all and just ensured it happened. I instantly understood the presence of God in this. Chances are that God taught me about this in this way, maybe even so that you could read this and learn from it too.

But it was also kind of like this inside: "God I know you desire it too". I had this feeling that what I felt inside was unconditional and true enough, I could understand why it needed to lead to a manifestation, the love felt powerful, partly because with my mind I could understand also why my love was unconditional, it was so in several key ways and I kept remembering what God had told me, to just love unconditionally, that was exactly what I did, so it fitted in that way too. So I had ended up with this very beautiful mix of ingredients in the scenario, that made me able to also get a good test prepared and then when it against all odds just happened within my very constrained mix of validation criteria, it was kind of like I simply just got the answer to my question and had no reason left to doubt it because I had no reason to logically interpret it differently and there were no additional layers of influence in between, it was a direct experience between me and creation.

You're being evasive ?
This is a story about what you felt and thought ?
Are you writing a novel ?

What happened ?
Someone knocked on the door ?
Someone grabbed you in the supermarket ?

[Rich]

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities.

If you think they hurt you then you cant love them, see that you cannot be hurt or simply have the intention of loving them, is all that's needed.
But the belief that someone can be negative towards us means that we don't believe love is real and that pain/hate is real.

[WhiteLove]

You're being evasive ?
Yes, but understand it from the perspective that going further becomes too private, there is nothing I want to hide, it's just a matter of privacy...

[lucidity]

You're being evasive ?
Yes, but understand it from the perspective that going further becomes too private, there is nothing I want to hide, it's just a matter of privacy...

So this is a _private_ 'Great esoteric discovery' ?

And if it's _private_ then presumably you can not demonstrate the truth of it to others.

Why start a thread about it... if it's private ?

Are you doing this for attention ?

[bluestflame]

in holding the space ( without holding ) doors are opened , divine conduits , more available
it finds its own way where it's needed

[WhiteLove]

You're being evasive ?
Yes, but understand it from the perspective that going further becomes too private, there is nothing I want to hide, it's just a matter of privacy...

So this is a _private_ 'Great esoteric discovery' ?

And if it's _private_ then presumably you can not demonstrate the truth of it to others.

Why start a thread about it... if it's private ?

Are you doing this for attention ?

> So this is a _private_ 'Great esoteric discovery' ?
No. It is public, but there are some private elements that I don't go into, you would not either

> And if it's _private_ then presumably you can not demonstrate the truth of it to others.
Whether it would be entirely public or only partially, the truth is equally difficult to "demonstrate", keep in mind I am sharing insights about the relationship between true subjective unconditional love and physical manifestation and I can of course not claim that it is 100% always that God decides manifestation, but I have observed the same pattern repeating in my case, lots of different cases, the difference being that during the last case I was able to really isolate the whole process in a very good way, so that I became convinced enough, it removed my last bit of doubts.

> Why start a thread about it... if it's private ?
It is not private, it is public but there are some private details I do not reveal simply because they are private. I started the thread to share my insight and for others to comment and share their perspectives.

> Are you doing this for attention ?
No, there is very minimal ego from my part when sharing this. I share it because I find it interesting and it can maybe help others discover the same thing and can maybe help in the awakening process.

Try to think of it like this. This is a type of knowledge with very little built-in limitation, so by default the mind that is a center on a lower density level is not fully able to accept this little limitation, it needs to question a lot of it because it tries to find ways of applying limitation on it and when it cannot do that it wants to apply limitations in other ways. This is part of the nature of the mind in our 3rd density physical reality. I can understand you. This is why it is so good to get first hand direct experience without any filters in between. By sharing my experience I am able to hint at the fact that this is possible to be experienced by others as well, all they need to do is to love unconditionally in heart and mind. My level of unconditional love for this person I mentioned is so strong that when I love that person unconditionally in heart and mind, tears fall down although I am not crying. These are tears of unconditional love. When you reach that level of unconditional love and you are uncertain have you completed the first step, you can be certain the first step has been completed. That should result in the same esoteric discovery as I have made.

In a different experience I had - in the sleep or death state (I don't know if I died in sleep or if I just was incredibly deeply asleep, it was however an altered state of being unlike any other dreams I have had) - I was able to communicate directly with God. What I asked God was how do you reach the kind of place where I was (indicating that on some level I understood I was on a visit and would go back) - it was a place similar to earth but in peace - God responded like this (no more no less): "just love unconditionally". Having had such an experience I am also able to share that, very difficult to prove but quite easy to share. So this concept to "just love unconditionally" is as I understand it of paramount importance along one's spiritual evolution.

[Justplain]

Great ideas here! I love the idea of loving unconditionally, doing your actions with enthusiasm, and having humility :clapping:

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?

Thanks for your insights here.

Hi Whitelove and Debjoy, lovely thread. A good source on this topic is John Peniel's 'Atlantean Children of the Law of One'. In it, Peniel's mentor, Zane, points out the the single most important factor on the path to enlightenment is 'unselfish love'. He makes the distinction that to be unselfish, one needs to be clear of any self interest in the outcome of your love. An example of selfish love is being affectionate to someone only if you get something in return. There can be no self interest in the outcome benefiting oneself for it to be unselfish love. Love will reward you in any case. Zane makes the distinction that unselfish love also sets limits as what is lovable, that these limits are within the universal laws of the golden rule and you reap what you sow. For instance, one cannot unselfishly love bad behaviour although one can unselfishly love the goodness even in a bad person.

There is no doubt that unselfish love causes a direct link with the Creator and causes 'miracles'. Syncronicity can be driven by this. Good luck is driven by this. Good relations respond to this. Even if you are out of much love, if one unselfishly asks the divine for assistance the prayer is always answered in some way.

Zane's motto told to Peniel was (i'm paraphrasing) to practice the following:

- unselfish love
- humility
- compassion
- harmlessness
- even temperedness
My additions to this motto:
- honesty
- honour
- reliability
- respect
- courage

May Divine Love be with you always.

[WhiteLove]

Great ideas here! I love the idea of loving unconditionally, doing your actions with enthusiasm, and having humility :clapping:

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?

Thanks for your insights here.

Hi Whitelove and Debjoy, lovely thread. A good source on this topic is John Peniel's 'Atlantean Children of the Law of One'. In it, Peniel's mentor, Zane, points out the the single most important factor on the path to enlightenment is 'unselfish love'. He makes the distinction that to be unselfish, one needs to be clear of any self interest in the outcome of your love. An example of selfish love is being affectionate to someone only if you get something in return. There can be no self interest in the outcome benefiting oneself for it to be unselfish love. Love will reward you in any case. Zane makes the distinction that unselfish love also sets limits as what is lovable, that these limits are within the universal laws of the golden rule and you reap what you sow. For instance, one cannot unselfishly love bad behaviour although one can unselfishly love the goodness even in a bad person.

There is no doubt that unselfish love causes a direct link with the Creator and causes 'miracles'. Syncronicity can be driven by this. Good luck is driven by this. Good relations respond to this. Even if you are out of much love, if one unselfishly asks the divine for assistance the prayer is always answered in some way.

Zane's motto told to Peniel was (i'm paraphrasing) to practice the following:

- unselfish love
- humility
- compassion
- harmlessness
- even temperedness
My additions to this motto:
- honesty
- honour
- reliability
- respect
- courage

May Divine Love be with you always.

Very interesting Justplain, I share this same perspective that unconditional love definitely appears unselfish. It might be that conditions are related to the ego, the selfish part of being, maybe it is even the source to the limitations/conditions that are automatically applied. It could be that this is in turn driven by some false underlying beliefs that the being is unaware of, hence the pollution by the selfish part might maybe be a natural result of carrying certain false information that results in the selfish conditional love. I have to admit though that how exactly the selfish element fits into the picture and how it works related to love is to me still stuff that I have yet to discover, but I have definitely noticed that unconditional love is not particularly self serving.

[Gillian]

Regarding the difficulty of unconditional love and achieving it; i refer to anything like this as potty training. One first has to recognize that one is being judgmental or negative. Only then can one deal with it. Too often, the negativity and judgments are habit and we don't even notice. Once one begins to catch oneself at it, one can impose a myriad of techniques such as journaling, meditating, applying Byron Katie's four questions, or ??? and accepting oneself despite having soiled the diaper. I don't think that one can just turn on conditional love without work and without dismantling the ego. However, a person who has a serious meditation ritual is probably residing more and more often, in a state of love. At least that is what I have found; when I am serious about meditating, I feel love and the ego seems to diminish or fall away, and I cease to care which is to some people insulting: not caring. But there is literally no energy to care. So whatever people do, they do. Whatever happens, happens. Don't care. Feel too much love.

p.s. not caring is an extremely relaxed physical state. There is nothing going on, energetically, in the lower abdomen. No tension, no anxiety. And the heart area is also completely relaxed and free of tension.

[WhiteLove]

I don't think that one can just turn on unconditional love without work and without dismantling the ego.

Tonight I thought about this and one thing I find about unconditional love is that it is more "real" than other forms of love, it makes me feel more "alive". So for instance when I love a being and I think of what I love about that being unconditionally, something happens inside of me, when I move the focus on what conditions I am loving unconditionally, something happens inside of me, it's like I instantly feel a bit more alive. So with unconditional love it appears to offer some very sweet sense of feeling more alive, it is like you feel there is a higher truth suddenly present and you feel more connected to it. It happens also that when that kicks in I kind of get memory flashbacks/fragments of a higher level, more true reality, that feels familiar and very nice... It is kind of like you feel there is some greater reality in the background and what I perceive in the moment of unconditional love is the top layer of it, but underneath it all the "real" representation of this is in the background... So it feels like the physical reality is kind of like a thin layer, underneath this there is a more true, more deep, more real form of the unconditional love and the relationship with the being playing out... So the unconditional love, once we feel it, is maybe only the beginning, it might be that this can scale and become incredibly much more deep the more conditions we are able to remove from this love. I am quite sure of that...

I think I am currently starting to wake up, because lately I have had short moments of sensing some fragments from a greater more real reality where the love is unconditional, it is the combination of unconditional love and certain music that seem to be what trigger these short flashbacks for me. I feel like there is something much much greater out there that can be (re-)discovered, a reality of truth, unconditional love, peace and true happiness.

[lucidity]

Love is unconditional by definition.

Does that mean your children can commit any crimes whatsoever without you
complaining, punishing or withdrawing your affections ?

Does that mean you can have affairs with other women and your wife wont
mind in the least bit ?

What makes you think, love is unconditional ?
In practice, it virtually never is.

[looking-glass]

Great ideas here! I love the idea of loving unconditionally, doing your actions with enthusiasm, and having humility :clapping:

And I'm wondering if people can share the specifics in how one can love unconditionally a person (for example), especially when that person has exhibited negative qualities. Is there something specific that you do that helps you get beyond focusing on what may seem to be mostly negative qualities. What is your attitude, your stance, your conscious awareness of this person?

Thanks for your insights here.

I posted this a couple of times here but it describes unconditional love in tough situations. It's the essence of Zen itself.

There was a monk named Hakuin who was well respected for his work among the people.

In the village, there lived a young woman, the daughter of the food sellers. The young woman became pregnant by her boy friend who worked nearby in the fish market. When the parents found out about this, they were very angry and pressured her to reveal the name of the father. She wanted to protect the young man and blurted out the name of Hakuin as the father.

After the baby was born, the parents took the baby to Hakuin. They told Hakuin that he was responsible for the baby and left the infant with him. He responded: “Is that so?” And he simply accepted the responsibility for the child without further reaction.

The monk had no experience with babies. But he began to care for its needs, finding food, clothing, and warm shelter. The other villagers became very angry with Hakuin for his offense and his reputation was trashed. These comments did not affect Hakuin, who continued to put his effort and attention into the care of the baby.

After several years, the young woman was filled with remorse. She confessed to her parents the name of the true father. They immediately went to see Hakuin, apologized, and took the baby back with them. Hakuin watched as they returned to there home with the child he had cared for since birth and replied “Is that so?”

Reminded me of the following (characters and details changed to protect identity ;-)

I moved to another part of the land and bought a nice house near my birth family, more than room for just myself.

My sister was living in poor circumstances (in many ways) with her pets.

I do not feel strong love like many humans do. But it appeared logical and 'right' to invite her into my large house.

After a while she invited some friends to party and they were admiring her new home.

They were not aware that I had just woke and inadvertantly heard their conversation when the sister 'bad-mouthed' me.

I did not disturb them. Felt nothing, then the bad fairy popped in my head and conjoled me into reacting to the 'slur'.

I did not.

A few days later I happened to be at grandma's. As I was leaving she said, "Do you know your sister was here the other day and was asking me why you have taken her in?".
My sister could not comprehend why I was doing it.

Grandma told sister, "It's because she loves you." . . .