Donald Trump, Freemason?

[blackdog]

Trump appears to be a Mason based on his use of symbolism. His penthouse apartment on the 66th floor of Trump Tower looks suspiciously similar to the frontispiece from Anderson's Constitutions, a landmark work in the history of Masonic publishing:

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[lucidity]

The idea that Trump is a mason,..... is just your speculation at this point.

[blackdog]

The idea that Trump is a mason,..... is purely just your speculation at this point.

I believe that is stated in the video, which is based on the interpretation of symbolism. Draw your own conclusions.

[avid]

Not many in high positions are not freemasons, other than those in a 'higher echelon', as power corrupts, and to have power one must play 'the game'. The 'game' ensures ensnarement, and blackmail will certailnly ensue...

[Akasha]

Trump appears to be a Mason.....

Gingrich would beg to differ (assuming he's referencing all secret societies and not just Bohemian Grove):

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[phillipbbg]

More likely is the architects he commissioned to design the tower had masonic connections, actually all construction in the modern world could be defined as masonic routed. Since the days of Solomon these maxims of construction have been administered by the colleges of construction and engineering... or if you like the Masons

Masonic libraries are a wealth of structural and constructional knowledge...because it has not been burned over time by religious zealots or mad political idealists... after all we all need safe structures to live and congregate in.

[Gillian]

I can certainly see the similarity, but I must try to remember that not all Freemasons are evil. I rather enjoy listening to M.P. Hall's lectures and think they are quite enlightening. We will have to wait and see how Trump behaves. Although it has been said that it will be difficult to buy him, he still has family that can be threatened if he doesn't tow somebody's/somebodies' line. Fortunately, the people participating in the Avalon forum are brilliant and will educate us.

[DNA]

Jump to the point where we say "who cares?".


So what if Trump is/was or at some point held the Masons in high degree. But even worse this is simply speculation at the most nebulous level. Next you are going to start adding up addresses to equal 33 or making some connection between a Trump ancestor and Alexander Hamiltion.
Saying every mason is some member of the Illuminati is like saying everyone who lives in Washington DC is a member of Congress.

[blackdog]

Trump appears to be a Mason.....

Gingrich would beg to differ (assuming he's referencing all secret societies and not just Bohemian Grove):

Yes, I am aware of this, but it is propaganda. Trump is very much a part of the establishment. They just tried to make it out as if he was not to get the masses to vote for him.

They fooled the left with the Obama deception and his calls for change. Now they are doing the same thing with the right and Trump's calls for change. Romney came out against Trump, too. It is all for show.

[East Sun]

It really doesn't matter. Trump is his own person and will do his thing regardless of the naysayers....

His time has come...........and

our time has come at last.... it;s a new age
get used to it............

[blackdog]

Jump to the point where we say "who cares?".

So what if Trump is/was or at some point held the Masons in high degree. But even worse this is simply speculation at the most nebulous level. Next you are going to start adding up addresses to equal 33 or making some connection between a Trump ancestor and Alexander Hamiltion.
Saying every mason is some member of the Illuminati is like saying everyone who lives in Washington DC is a member of Congress.

I did not say every Mason is a member of the Illuminati. I didnt say anything about the Illuminati, and I assume most everyday Masons dont have a clue. If you watched the video in full, though, I think it is important to note that the significance of 66 and 666 has to do with the precession of the equinoxes and that this Great Year is the schedule upon which the New World Order is being organized. I do think this is important information.

It is the elites who have the power to build Masonic symbols as large as the Twin Towers or the Millenium Hilton Hotel that I am talking about. You may not find the Rockefellers on any famous lists of Freemasons, but their symbolism surely suggests they have incorporated this belief system into their lives and actions.

If Trump was a Mason who merely went to meetings and kept it to himself, then you might be right...who cares? Yet, I think he has built Trump Tower as almost a monument to Masonry, and this could indicate he is more than sympathetic to the New World Order agenda. It could mean he has been with the program for a long time and has been letting it be known to those who can read the symbolism.

If you have a problem with any particular piece of information, let me know. It was the symbolism as a whole that I found convincing.

[Sunny-side-up]

Thanks for your post blackdog
You might have done better to have kept the '?' in your title :)

phillipbbg

More likely is the architects he commissioned to design the tower had masonic connections, actually all construction in the modern world could be defined as masonic routed. Since the days of Solomon these maxims of construction have been administered by the colleges of construction and engineering... or if you like the Masons

Masonic libraries are a wealth of structural and constructional knowledge...because it has not been burned over time by religious zealots or mad political idealists... after all we all need safe structures to live and congregate in.
So true, the Old Established doctrine. It is now built into our individual tastes as well now..



It really doesn't matter. Trump is his own person and will do his thing regardless of the naysayers....

His time has come...........and

our time has come at last.... it;s a new age
get used to it............
East Sun's quote above makes me think:
How fast could Donald Trump have his assets/capital/wealth/health taken away from him if those (PTW) really wanted too?

[lucidity]

The idea that Trump is a mason,..... is purely just your speculation at this point.

I believe that is stated in the video, which is based on the interpretation of symbolism. Draw your own conclusions.

I _am_ drawing my own conclusions.
There is virtually no similarity between Anderson's Constitutions and Trumps apartment.
There's more similarity between Anderson's Constitutions and my office -- and i'm not a mason!
This is baseless speculation.

[Sunny-side-up]

Not having a dig at you lucidity, but as an example for the OP and blackdog.
Any and all imagery can be connected to what or who ever you want :(
I try not to use any imagery/symbolism but having said that I use :sun:!
Am I a Sun Worshipper ?
Beaming :)

Just thinking, why the Snake for your avatar?
You have probably told the forum in the past, I am just interested :)
I could say of you lucidity  a "picture is worth 1,000 words"

One snippet taken from the below link which talks about two masonic pillers:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free15.htm


However, we are in for a rude shock.  Notice that the column on the left not only has a serpent encircling a globe, but notice also that the globe itself has wings.  Another source quotes H.G. Wells as saying that the winged globe is "to become the symbol of the New World Order when it overtly rules the world." [Fritz Springmeier, The Watchtower and the Masons , Portland, Oregon, 1992, p. xi]
That means the Masonic column on the left depicts the symbol of the final Kingdom of Antichrist, his New World Order!  Once again, we have a strong connection between Freemasonry and the coming Kingdom of Antichrist.

So blackdog I'm not saying lucidity is of the 'NWO' connecting him with snakes.
But some might/could!

So as phillipbbg 

 More likely is the architects he commissioned to design the tower had masonic connections, actually all construction in the modern world could be defined as masonic routed. Since the days of Solomon these maxims of construction have been administered by the colleges of construction and engineering... or if you like the Masons

Masonic libraries are a wealth of structural and constructional knowledge...because it has not been burned over time by religious zealots or mad political idealists... after all we all need safe structures to live and congregate in.

[lucidity]

Just thinking, why the Snake for your avatar?
You have probably told the forum in the past, I am just interested :)
I could say of you lucidity  a "picture is worth 1,000 words"


Thank you, that's given me an idea....

A picture is worth a 1000 words... ? Really ?
Which thousand words ?
Consider, if you saw a swastika
.... is that the 1000 words of Jainian symbolism ??
.... is that the 1000 words of good luck symbol used on british stamps
in the early 20th century ??
.... is that the 1000 words of nazi symbol ??

My point is: There's no guarantee which thousand words will be
painted by a picture.

But you're right... a picture speaks volumes,
even though there's no guarantee regarding which volumes.
So...
I am now using my avatar to publicise pizzagate.
The T-shirt is current available on amazon if you want one.
(No, i'm not the vendor, i just want to see news of pizzagate circulated more widely)

My previous avatar represented kundalini (which fits my username of lucidity)
Not the 1000 words you evidently imagined.

be happy :-)

[uzn]

I did not wanna comment on this one, but here you go:
Just because there are Corinthian Collums in Trumps Appartment does not mean anything. Nearly every Roman Building and Temple has Corinthian Collums in it. Half of all greek Temples and bigger Buildings have Corinthian Collums in them. If we look at classicism and neo-classicism around the 19 hundreds there are uncountable Buildings with Corinthian Collums. I could go on for a whole page here but I stop here. Does this mean These Buildings where all masonic Buildings ??? Nope !

But for one I really dislike Videos with computergenerated Voices, they freak me out. Are they afraid to use their real voice? Dont they stand behind the things they say?

[blackdog]

There's a lot of information in this video that should be fairly valuable to conspiracy theorists, even if one rejects the hypothesis that Trump is a Mason, which I do not. The contentious responses are really unnecessary.

It sounds to me as if people have not watched the entire video.

The columns are in sets of two, and there is a picture of Apollo in his chariot on the ceiling. You can reject the Masonic aspect, but there is clearly a resemblance. And, that is just one element of the argument.

http://i.imgur.com/Kd1WYZBl.jpg

The architects would not have decorated Trump's apartment with a painting from a 33-year old Renoir called "The Lodge". They would not have put a double-headed eagle on Trump's golf course crest. They would not have put the alchemy-themed Eros and Psyche statue on his coffee table.

This is a man who works in the world of real estate. I think he would have some say in the design of a building with his name on it. And, he is famously credited with changing the floor numbers in order to make his tower appear taller than it actually is. I am saying he did this to make the penthouse start on the 66th floor while keeping the height of the building only 666 feet tall, which would have been impossible in a standard 68 floor building.

The 66/666 discussion provides interpretations of 322, 666, the meaning of Masonry, and the origin of a desire for a New World Order. This should be valuable even if Trump is not a Mason.

The Kushners' office is in 666 Fifth Avenue, which is across the street from Rockefeller Center. The Rockefellers built the clearly Masonic Twin Towers, and they have statues and artwork which refer to Masonry and precession, as well. Their Prometheus and Atlas statues include symbols of the planets and the zodiac. These super rich are part of a network, and Masonry (or the elite occult) is their religion. 666, two towers (the oppositions), and the precession of the equinoxes are all related.

http://i.imgur.com/6TawEUtm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/inpBDXmm.png

http://i.imgur.com/rhnVK7mm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nhp5C8jm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/T4CdGhDm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bidnJkdm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0S96rXmm.jpg

[Justplain]

I am a third degree mason and i can honestly tell you that no satanism is practiced at the average lodge level. The low level lessons in masonry are quite noble, part of the reason they still attract thousands of new members annually. My personal beef about masonry is their focus should be more on unselfish love and the practices shouldnt be so rigid and immune from criticism or change.

I cannot speak for higher level masons but have known a few who went up to the 33rd degree and all of them were decent family men. If the masons at levels higher than the 33rd level practice some demonic crap, it is very well hidden from the lower ranks.

If trump is one, then it is not public knowledge (try a google search). If he is a low level mason dont worry about it, its just harmless stuff. I cant vouch for the highest levels, tho.

[blackdog]

I am a third degree mason and i can honestly tell you that no satanism is practiced at the average lodge level. The low level lessons in masonry are quite noble, part of the reason they still attract thousands of new members annually. My personal beef about masonry is their focus should be more on unselfish love and the practices shouldnt be so rigid and immune from criticism or change.

I cannot speak for higher level masons but have known a few who went up to the 33rd degree and all of them were decent family men. If the masons at levels higher than the 33rd level practice some demonic crap, it is very well hidden from the lower ranks.

I never said anything about Satanism or demons. I'm mostly talking about the precession of the equinoxes. Again, it would help if commenters actually watched the video.

I have also said that I dont believe everyday Freemasons are involved in the elite's New World Order.

What I dont understand about everyday Masons, though, is that they must understand the symbolism that is being used by the elites, and therefore, a moral Mason should be alerting non-Masons to the symbolic actions of the elites. Here, you could at least confirm the importance of the unification of oppositions and the cycles of the sun for Masons.

I know an everyday 32nd degree Mason, and he doesnt seem to have a clue about the world of conspiracy theory, so I dont disagree that most Masons are not involved.


If trump is one, then it is not public knowledge (try a google search). If he is a low level mason dont worry about it, its just harmless stuff. I cant vouch for the highest levels, tho.

Obviously, Trump is not publicly listed as a Mason. If that was the case, the video could have been much shorter. As I just said in the last post, the Rockefellers clearly use this symbolism, and they are not publicly listed as Masons.

http://i.imgur.com/TwVvXTQl.jpg

A Master Mason cannot see the unification of oppositions that has taken place at the World Trade Center?

http://i.imgur.com/XBaRTVj.png

[Gillian]

The diagram of the two triangles coming together: mer ka ba?

[bettye198]

Were not our Founding Fathers Freemasons?

I have to laugh at myself for even thinking Trump would (1) make the time to do secret society rituals (2) feel he could still be a free man doing what he wants, thinking how he wants if he had to follow anybody's strict rules.

He often said in his campaign, No one owns me ( or to that alluding. )

[Gillian]

I never know how much of Biblical prophecy one should believe. I also think that one can shift to any time line and it is, for the most part, difficult to predict the future. Yes, I want to couch my words carefully in case people twist or misunderstand them.

For some years, there has been talk that somebody who seems good and powerful will arise and people will follow this person, and that this is a mistake. I don't think it is Trump, but I am being cautious about new people who rise to power. For now and even if he has masonic leanings -- like me he might simply be fascinated by M.P. Hall's lectures -- I will give him the benefit of any doubt.

I am confident that somebody in Project Avalon will alert us to the person we really have to watch out for and not follow.

[lucidity]

The question remains....
Why is blackdog trying to slur Trump with masonic associations ?
There's patently no evidence for it.

You're not working for CNN are you blackdog.... trying to create yet more fake news ?
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, eh ?

[ThePythonicCow]

You're not working for CNN are you blackdog.... trying to create yet more fake news ?
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, eh ?

Please quit poking fellow Avalon members in the ribs with sharp sticks, lucidity.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I am a third degree mason and i can honestly tell you that no satanism is practiced at the average lodge level.


Were not our Founding Fathers Freemasons?

Freemasons are like bankers. Not all of them are evil, though the ones at the top are likely to be. The ones in small towns are often genuinely nice people who are trying to do good in their communities, which is ostensibly what the organization is about. The ones in positions of great power usually aren't doing what they're supposed to and are very corrupt.

Any secretive society is likely to draw intrigue, especially when involving powerful people, but the original Freemasons were outlaws from the Catholic church who were preserving heretical ancient knowledge ("mystery school" type stuff, think paganism and the Greek/Roman mysteries) and promoting democracies and republicans rather than monarchies. Both the American and French revolutionaries were into that, and influential Freemasons helped lead those movements.

It's probably no coincidence that both Washington DC and the French Revolution featured tons of Greek/Roman stuff, including philosophies and symbolic deities, while kicking organized religion out of government. The history of Freemasonry has to take into account the fact that western culture, society and government have changed a lot since the 1700's.

[blackdog]

http://i.imgur.com/64axG2z.jpg F, O, and X equal 6 in English reduction gematria. This is fairly well-known. You can find it in standard books about numerology, astrology, and other related topics.

Much of this video is about the union of oppositions and several of its symbols. One of these symbols is the vesica pisces. It is essentially two "O's".

http://i.imgur.com/BEnjdb8m.jpg Two O's equals two 6's. OO=66.


From http://www.themasonictrowel.com/articles/symbolism/general_files/the_beehive_as_focal_point/the_beehive_as_focal_point.htm :




"The interlocked Square and Compasses create a form of the vesica pisces, which traditionally has represented the linkage between above and below. The oblong diamond created by the intersection of the Square and Compasses is also integral to the geometry of the vesica pisces."

[blackdog]

From http://www.themasonictrowel.com/articles/symbolism/general_files/the_beehive_as_focal_point/the_beehive_as_focal_point.htm :




"The interlocked Square and Compasses create a form of the vesica pisces, which traditionally has represented the linkage between above and below. The oblong diamond created by the intersection of the Square and Compasses is also integral to the geometry of the vesica pisces."

The Masonic Square and Compass can be seen as interlocking X's or V's. The Hebrew V is Vav or Vau and is the sixth letter of the alphabet. Hebrew is the language of Kabbalah, which is widely known to be the basis for much of occult teachings, including gematria.

http://i.imgur.com/ypuloa2m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qWmbtrHt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NIiZ2Hi.jpg

XX=66 and VV=66, and the compass and square is related to the vesica pisces, which is OO=66.

[blackdog]

From http://www.themasonictrowel.com/articles/symbolism/general_files/the_beehive_as_focal_point/the_beehive_as_focal_point.htm :




"The hexagon can be seen as the interior of two interlaced triangles—the hexagram. This was used by esotericists to indicate a linking of two concepts, perhaps as seen in the Emerald Tablet of “as above, so below”—the linkage of heaven and earth. It is essentially the same symbol as the vesica pisces and thus linked to the interlocked Square and Compasses as well."

The intersection of these symbols is the union part of the uniting of oppositions. The hexagon in the middle of the hexagram is just like the diamond in between the compass and square, or XX, and the vesica pisces portion of the two circles. This hexagon is also surrounded by two X's and contained two V-shapes from the two triangles that interlock.

http://i.imgur.com/OENYHDYt.png http://i.imgur.com/bziidNst.png XX=66, VV=66

The classic example of the union of oppositions is the yin-yang, which looks like interlocked 6's.

http://i.imgur.com/0YgQws8t.png http://i.imgur.com/OdGdsuit.png 66

[blackdog]

http://i.imgur.com/BEnjdb8m.jpg OO=66

http://i.imgur.com/bziidNst.png XX=66, VV=66

http://i.imgur.com/0YgQws8t.png Yin-yang=66

http://i.imgur.com/NIiZ2Hi.jpg XX=66

http://i.imgur.com/qWmbtrHt.jpg VV=66

The compass draws the the circle, which represents the unlimited, the infinite, the spiritual. The square draws the square, which is limited or bound, meaning the material. The unity of material and spiritual is one version of the unification of oppositions.

If you accept that VV=66, the the main symbol of Freemasonry, arguably, can be said to equal 66.

Freemasonry is all about this unification. That is why the arch and keystone are so important. They unify the pillars/columns, which represent the oppositions.

http://i.imgur.com/lABEbeBm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5894BlTm.jpg?1


http://i.imgur.com/BHz1lT2t.jpg 3x22 = 66


Trump lives on the 66th floor of a building (Trump Tower) that only has 58 stories. The floor numbers were manipulated. This is the first clue. This on its own is suspicious.