The new extremists: US Liberals

[TargeT]

Have Liberals gone insane?

When I think of UC Berkeley I think of Birkenstock's, hippies, skinny jeans and useless degrees. Not riots, fire bombs, assaults and vandalism..

But I guess riots = protests now? And freedom of speech only counts if the person is saying what you agree with?



UC Berkeley cancels right-wing provocateur’s talk amid violent protest

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A protest at UC Berkeley over a scheduled appearance by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Milo+Yiannopoulos%22) turned fiery and violent Wednesday night, prompting police to cancel the event and hustle the Breitbart News editor off campus.
But even after the event’s cancellation, hundreds of protesters spilled off campus into the city streets, where the violence continued as they confronted drivers, engaged in fights, smashed storefront windows and set fires.
Protesters decried President Trump’s policies as much as they did the visit by Yiannopoulos, a gay conservative who has been making the rounds at college campuses across the country with his “Dangerous Faggot” talks, specializing in remarks meant to insult, offend and disgust liberals who disagree with his ideas.


Milo speaks: ‘The Left is absolutely terrified of free speech’ (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Yiannopoulos-The-Left-is-absolutely-terrified-10901916.php)

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The trouble began around 6 p.m., two hours before Yiannopoulos was to begin his speech inside the student union building on Sproul Plaza. Protesters outside the building began throwing fireworks and pulling down the metal barricades police set up to keep protesters from rushing inside. Windows were smashed and fires were set outside the building as masked protesters stormed it. Police quickly evacuated Yiannopoulos for his own safety.
Berkeley police said five people were injured and some people, including a man who said he had hoped to see Yiannopoulos speak, were seen with their faces bloodied. There were no arrests.
Police said protesters threw bricks and fireworks at police officers. University police locked down all buildings and told people inside them to shelter in place, and later fired pepper balls and paint balls into the crowd of protesters who defied orders to leave the area. Police called in support from nine of the 10 UC campuses and the Oakland Police Department (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Oakland+Police+Department%22) and Alameda County sheriffs department.
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“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley,” Mike Wright (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Mike+Wright%22) of Berkeley College Republicans (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Berkeley+College+Republicans%22), the group that invited Yiannopoulos to the campus, said outside the student union building as smoke bombs went off around him.
As he spoke, someone threw a glass bottle of red paint at him. The bottle shattered and splattered paint on his clothing. “It’s sad,” he said.
On Berkeley’s city streets, protesters took their rage against construction sites and businesses, smashing windows at banks and stores. They also confronted motorists, and at one point a driver sped off with a protester on the car hood.
University officials had earlier rejected requests to cancel Yiannopoulos’ appearance. In a letter to the campus community last week, Chancellor Nicholas Dirks (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Nicholas+Dirks%22) said, “The U.S. Constitution prohibits UC Berkeley, as a public institution, from banning expression based on its content or viewpoints, even when those viewpoints are hateful or discriminatory.”
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Protesters argued that what Yiannopoulos specializes in is hate speech, and that it didn’t deserve to be protected.
“It’s not a question of free speech,” a protester said via megaphone, riling up the hundreds of protesters. “It’s about real human beings.”
Yiannopoulos’ appearances at some universities have resulted in violent confrontations between protesters and his supporters. Some private universities have barred him, and Twitter banned him in July for repeatedly breaking harassment and abuse policies.
Berkeley College Republicans said all 500 tickets had been sold for Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance in Pauley Ballroom in the student union building. Yiannopoulos was expected to use the event to kick off a campaign against “sanctuary campuses” that have vowed to protect students in the country illegally as President Trump cracks down on illegal immigration.
Campus police had been hoping to avoid a repeat of the chaos at UC Davis on Jan. 13, when protesters overwhelmed their barricades and shut down Yiannopoulos’ speech.
In an interview with Fox News after Wednesday’s cancellation, the 32-year-old Yiannopoulos — a self-described “libertarian, gay, Trump-supporting provocateur” — said college campuses are places where “you should be able to engage with different ideas.”
Those who attend his appearances, he said, include people who “don’t necessarily agree with me but just want to hear the other side. They were prevented from doing so this evening by violence from the left — the left that is terrified of anyone who they think might be persuasive or might be interesting or might take people with them.”
But UC Berkeley sophomore Jonathan Gow (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Jonathan+Gow%22), 19, rejected Yiannopoulos’ insistence that free speech took a hit.
“The whole reason we’re here is for free speech,” Gow said. “Milo’s hate speech is not allowed here. When it’s hate speech, our free speech is to shut him down.”
Three lines of zip-tied metal fencing separated the crowd of protesters from campus police officers who had secured the building where Yiannopoulos was supposed to speak. He had arrived earlier, escorted by security, and had been waiting inside the student union building when the protests erupted.
The protest turned violent around 6 p.m. when dozens of masked anarchists, dressed in black and wearing backpacks, emerged from the otherwise peaceful crowd.
As “Milo has got to go” chants broke out, they struck: in small groups, at first — knocking down the fences, cutting through the zip ties. Then they came in droves, as the dozens of university police officers in riot gear quickly retreated to an inner ring of fencing.
Seizing the opportunity, the masked protesters ran toward the student center and breached the inner ring, picking up pieces of fencing and hurling them into the building’s windows. Glass shattered, but no one went inside, where Yiannopoulos was waiting for the event to begin.
As some protesters yelled obscenities at police, others toppled a generator and light pole police had set up, spray-painting “Milo” with an X through it. Then they lit it on fire. From their backpacks, the protesters hurled dozens of fireworks.
One of the black-dressed anarchists said he had been hit by nonlethal ammunition.
“The cops shot me with pepper balls,” said the 26-year-old man, who called himself Zombie. “It hurt.”
Carrying a thick black shield and wearing a milk-soaked kerchief over his face to protect against potential tear gas, Zombie said, “We’re anarchists.” Fellow protesters unfurled a banner reading, “This is war.”
Police soon declared an unlawful assembly and ordered everyone to leave, but hundreds of protesters stayed, filling the entire upper and lower plaza. “Turn on the dance music,” one masked woman yelled.
UC Berkeley junior Fatima Ibrahim (http://www.sfgate.com/search/?action=search&channel=bayarea&inlineLink=1&searchindex=gsa&query=%22Fatima+Ibrahim%22), 20, who clutched a “resist fear” sign with a red fist, said the timing of Yiannopoulos’ scheduled appearance stung.
“As a black Muslim woman, all three of those identities have been targeted throughout (Trump’s) campaign,” Ibrahim said. “To have someone like (Yiannopoulos) come into my campus and affirm those people’s beliefs, it’s very, very hurtful.”
Hours after the event was canceled, the College Republicans issued a statement declaring the Free Speech Movement dead. “It is tragic that the birthplace of the Free Speech Movement is also its final resting place,” the statement said.
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[Cidersomerset]

I did see this earlier and thought about posting it on Turiya's thread , but I think its
worth one of its own.....




Riots sparked at UC Berkeley over alt-right speaker

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Published on 2 Feb 2017
Todd Starnes weighs in

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Milo: Left can't tolerate anyone who doesn't agree with them

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Published on 1 Feb 2017
Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos on the cancellation of his speech at UC-Berkeley
after riots broke out, saying the progressive left fears anyone with different political
views and he's shocked at how oppressive higher education US campuses can be

[TargeT]

This is where the "free speech" movement started back in the day... crazyness!

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The University of California at Berkeley was in flames on Wednesday after violent leftist rioters shut down a shut down the finale of Milo Yiannopoulos’s college lecture tour. Innocent supporters of President Donald Trump were assaulted, property was destroyed and free speech disgraced on the infamous site of the 1960’s student Free Speech movement.



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[conk]

Hate speech is anything they don't agree with! Don't they realize they enjoy the very rights they want to deny the speaker?!

[Slant84]

There are definitely some fanatics on both side of the coin. For every leftist radical demonstration of ideology, there can be instances of fanatics on the right/conservative side of the coin as well including abortion clinic bombings, fascist demonstrators such as the KKK etc. I never understood this need by so many to "stick with the party line". There has to be common sense in the middle when one steps back and considers all the facts. That's why I don't label myself anything but a moral, spiritual being that tries to have a good code of ethics to live by and hopefully inspire others to do the same.

[Bruno]

wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

[TargeT]

Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

"Berkeley College Republicans" paid for him to come speak; the college tried to block it by springing last min. "security funds requirement" of $6,500... that type of move normally kills the speaking engagement as students can't come up with money like that at the last min (apparently it's a common tactic).. an Anonymous donor put up the money and the riots began... when sneaky tactics don't work to keep opinions out, rioting does?


PC culture is the antithesis of free speech. Milo is doing EXACTLY what's needed.

I hope these asshats take a look back at what they did to their own campus and reflect a bit (not sure that they will, probably most are the typical self entitled/justified liberal minded college goer).

The Irony of UC Berkely, the champion of free speech, holding a riot to stop a speaker is a bit much...

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[Cidersomerset]

Who are funding these agitators ? It has the hall marks of a Soros Op......


Berkeley Officials Cite 'Agitators' As Cause Of Milo Yiannopoulos Protest Violence | NBC News

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Published on 2 Feb 2017
Several officials from UC Berkeley spoke after protests cancelled a
campus event with controversial Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos

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The Soros Watch

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Published on 1 Feb 2017

Trump insider Roger Stone takes over the fourth hour of the Alex Jones show and
takes a look at what George Soros is doing to try and stop Donald Trump.

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NEW YORK TIMES....

Billionaire George Soros has ties to more than 50 ‘partners’ of the Women’s March on Washington


What is the link between one of Hillary Clinton’s largest donors and the Women’s March? Turns out, it’s quite significant


http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/

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ZERO HEDGE.....

Trump Threatens To Pull U.C. Berkeley Funds After Violent Protesters Cancel Yiannopoulos Speech

by Tyler Durden

Feb 2, 2017 6:53 AM


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-02/

[Bruno]

Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

"Berkeley College Republicans" paid for him to come speak; the college tried to block it by springing last min. "security funds requirement" of $6,500... that type of move normally kills the speaking engagement as students can't come up with money like that at the last min (apparently it's a common tactic).. an Anonymous donor put up the money and the riots began... when sneaky tactics don't work to keep opinions out, rioting does?



PC culture is the antithesis of free speech. Milo is doing EXACTLY what's needed.

I hope these asshats take a look back at what they did to their own campus and reflect a bit (not sure that they will, probably most are the typical self entitled/justified liberal minded college goer).

The Irony of UC Berkely, the champion of free speech, holding a riot to stop a speaker is a bit much...

https://media2.giphy.com/media/GfAD7Bl016Gfm/200_s.gif

TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around. Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest. Milos has said and done some truly hateful things. I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

[abmqa]

wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

I'm all for free speech. He knew his speech would be controversial. So if others are offended and provoked, as he knew they would be by his insensitive and bigoted comments, where is the news in that? He actually seem to revel in delight at the agitation he caused. As if that was the sole intention of his speech.

In light of recent developments in regards to Muslims and bans, demonstrations and activists should be expected.

Noam Chomskey once said:
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

Oh the company we keep....

[Yuki]

Oh. Scary and hypocritical...

[Cidersomerset]

I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people
should always have the right to protest. Milos has said and done some
truly hateful things. I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition
to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Its not the protestors , who have the right to protest against anyone.

Its the bussed in agitators that are causing most of the trouble , which
needs funding this is not new but seems to being ramped up against
Trump. Most of the people interviewed do not know Trumps policy
agendas and have been caught up by the hype and headlines...

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Alex Jones & Joe Rogan: Why The Global Power Structure Is Against Trump

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Published on 2 Feb 2017
Alex Jones breaks down to Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo why the global power
structure is against Trump and what our new President has planned for America.

Full interview on link...

Alex Jones & Joe Rogan - A Double Header
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95772-Alex-Jones-Joe-Rogan-A-Double-Header

[Ernie Nemeth]

Soon, they'll come for us...so please do not be tolerant of violence and riots - they are not part of the freedom of speech

[TargeT]

TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.

Well in this case, it was a one sided issue & on most campuses there's a very vocal "liberal" lean that dominates (while the conservatives are a bit more... conservative).

Previously "liberals" blamed the "right" for everything violent, and it seemed like it was true... now the complete opposite is happening, I guess it's just the way of nature to self correct (and in doing so, sometimes over correct).



Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

Racist, really?

I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.


I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest.

Absolutely, I just hope to god they are informed or they will look like complete idiots (this group does...But if it was purely bused in agitators, maybe that's the point?).


Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.

I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.



I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

We call it roundpenning the horses.

https://connectedhorsemanship.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/winner-long-n-low-in-round-pen.jpg

Milo is roundpenning the leftists.






I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

Oh the company we keep....

Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.

[Cidersomerset]

When Will President Donald Trump Take Out George Soros?

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
George Soros has been an enemy of freedom across the globe, this Nazi collaborator
has caused the deaths of thousands through his destabilization campaigns. When will
Donald Trump take him down?

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'Stop Operation Soros' Movements to ban billionaire-funded groups sweep across Europe

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Published on 31 Jan 2017
One of those who supported nationwide anti-Trump protests in the US is billionaire
investor and philanthropist George Soros, who's well known for his charity
organizations across the globe.

Full interview...
BREAKING : George Soros ARREST On The Table ? Hungarian Foreign Minister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kin3r_H8w8
Published on 30 Jan 2017

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PRIME SUSPECT.........Soros loosing money on the markets he likes to rig...

Soros Threatens Trump

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Published on 31 Jan 2017
Again we see George Soros meddling in affairs of countries he publicly stated he
would like to destroy. RFB

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Whether you are pro or anti Trump , Soros backed Hillary and is not acting in
US interests as far as I can see.....Totally open borders creates chaos , and
money making opportunitie's for players like Soros.



Bill OReilly Exposes George Soros Hillary Clinton Democrat Funding

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Published on 3 Nov 2016

[A Voice from the Mountains]

They preach tolerance, and say they are tolerant of others. And then they beat you to a bloody pulp and destroy your university.

http://intolerant.politifake.org/image/political/1208/liberal-tolerance-liberals-conbservatives-intolerant-hypocri-politics-1344005364.jpg


Btw

This is how Marxist globalists have ALWAYS taken over countries!!

It goes back to the French Revolution and the Jacobins, before Marxism as an ideology was even fully fleshed-out.

[abmqa]

TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.

Well in this case, it was a one sided issue & on most campuses there's a very vocal "liberal" lean that dominates (while the conservatives are a bit more... conservative).

Previously "liberals" blamed the "right" for everything violent, and it seemed like it was true... now the complete opposite is happening, I guess it's just the way of nature to self correct (and in doing so, sometimes over correct).



Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

Racist, really?

I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.


I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest.

Absolutely, I just hope to god they are informed or they will look like complete idiots (this group does...But if it was purely bused in agitators, maybe that's the point?).


Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.

I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.



I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

We call it roundpenning the horses.

https://connectedhorsemanship.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/winner-long-n-low-in-round-pen.jpg

Milo is roundpenning the leftists.






I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

Oh the company we keep....

Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.

My bias view of him came from viewing his speeches, which in my opinion, are dripping with overt bigotry. If he truly believes all of the ideas that he spouts then he is indeed a bigot and perhaps a racist, but I respect his right to express his views. If he is a shill for the extreme right wing Breibart website, for that I will condemn him.

While Trump pushes his anti-Muslim agenda, good old Milo riles up the left wing. Some are indeed fanatical as evidenced in the videos.

How does this help the situation?...Well due to the riots and violence Trump can say I told you so....

It's all so unnecessary

[Bruno]

TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around.




Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

Racist, really?

I honestly can't see how you'd say that unless you've been watching a bit too much TV. Watch some of his speeches, they are not racist at all, they are ANTI-racist, ANTI-PC & ANTI-free speech suppression. He calls out SJW's (social justice warriors), BLM (black lives matters), and Feminists (3rd wave) for their hypocrisy and points out how damaging it is to society.

I've never seen / heard him be racist, even when the fake news claimed he was when he (very rightly) heavily criticized the "Ghost Busters" SJW reboot.


Milos has said and done some truly hateful things.

I'm begining to question wiether westerners actually understand what the word "HATE" means, it's a DARK, UGLY, CONSUMING, emotion.. it's EASY to spot and never questionable.....

PLEASE show me the hateful things he's said (and explain why it matters if anyone says hateful things).

He has not said hateful things, he's said powerfully truthful things that people cannot accept when it goes 180* against their strongly held belief.



I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

You know what I do when my horses are scared of something that can't actually hurt them?

I expose them to it, over and over and over and over and over until they see the reality. It's typically done in a large round-pen, something about 60 feet in diameter so the horse can run, but never really get away from you.

We call it roundpenning the horses.

https://connectedhorsemanship.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/winner-long-n-low-in-round-pen.jpg

Milo is roundpenning the leftists.




I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

Oh the company we keep....

Big bonus for Trump then, Milo is extremely intelligent, articulate and not at all what your bias view of him is.


Truth is the first casualty in war... so of course those speaking it will be vilified, don't fall for the obvious bait.



TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight. Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.

[Ernie Nemeth]

This entire reality is all so unnecessary. Over night we could change it if we would only unite. But we can't unite because we don't know who's lying and who's telling the truth.

We are shaved off the herd, in small groups. Some for climate change, some for Unicef, some for Hillary and some for Trump, some for Free Energy, some for conspiracy theories, some as whistle blowers, some as rich, some as poor, some as Christians, some as Muslims, and on and on. These are the polarizing issues that can only be solved if we are not immersed within them. Polarizing issues cannot be solved unless sides are not chosen and all agree. The one thing never before tried is ruling by consensus. That's unanimous consent. This is easily understood by a child, yet as adults we never practice or even consider it.

If unanimous decision has to be reached before action of any kind is taken, it would not be long before we would learn how to think for not just ourselves but for the sake of all humanity and even the world. Only in the largest context can consensus be attained.

Our overseers know that all to well...

[TargeT]

TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight.

I think this is all done on purpose, or if it's not... it sure as hell seems like it is.

Here's the basic formula (as I see it) for how these types of events go (only applies to very recent times.. this is a new model as far as i can tell):

THE LEFT:
Introduce into the echo chambers information via "trusted" channels that is MOSTLY true (or partly true) and sensational; but EASILY dis-proven.

Tie that introduced "dialect" to emotion some how (refer to the "regressive agenda" (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg)to see what most of what the media puts out is based on / uses as emotional leverage).


THE RIGHT:
Cherry pick the above "Dialect" and focus on the points that are demonstrably false.

Ignore all other points and cycle back to the above; see yourself as (finally) superior to the snooty liberals.


It's ingenious really, for very litle effort we tear each other apart and further separate... I've heard of families that didn't have holiday gatherings last month due to this political mess!



Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.

I'm a "gamer" (or perhaps, wannna-be gamer, not much time anymore) and I thought that whole thing had a few valid points, but the hysteria ruined what could have been a useful discussion (IMO).

But yea, that kind of seems like a matter that could be dealt with "later" in with current events in mind.



I understand your distaste for antagonists, I share that especially when it's done in a bullying / intimidating manner.


I honestly do not feel that is the case with Milo, at least not until provoked (he's a public speaker, why do people think they can verbally spar with a public speaker? haha) His ideas are very counter-culture and brash, but my god the logic and rationality is outstanding (probably could tone down the dick references too, but freedom of speech and all that...).

[Ernie Nemeth]

I like your arguments, T, but then I often do. You are very good at analytic and critical thinking.

I like to stick to generalities, the big picture.

I like to remember that the Republicans are a business, a company, just like the Democrats are. The "party" part is for the ignoramus who will say to themselves, "Party? Ya, let's party!" Neither "party" is thrown for you, me or us. Those parties are for members only. And you and me and us are not members. Each party has owners, and it is these few players that profit from the win of their party, not you, me, or us. So to me it is laughable to be affiliated with one of these two "Parties".

We are not corporations, we are incorporated beings! Do not mistake one for the other.

I hate to quote the bible , but..., until the lion lies down with the lamb, there shall not be peace.

The problem is not "out there". The problem is very truly "in here", inside the hearts of each of us. We have all been hurt, every one of us. We each crave justice. It is the blame part that we have confused. Point a sword at your neighbor and it will first pierce yourself. You are to blame, and only you can change that. No one likes to hear that, but...

That is what it always boils down to.

[eaglespirit]

I like your arguments, T, but then I often do. You are very good at analytic and critical thinking.

I like to stick to generalities, the big picture.

I like to remember that the Republicans are a business, a company, just like the Democrats are. The "party" part is for the ignoramus who will say to themselves, "Party? Ya, let's party!" Neither "party" is thrown for you, me or us. Those parties are for members only. And you and me and us are not members. Each party has owners, and it is these few players that profit from the win of their party, not you, me, or us. So to me it is laughable to be affiliated with one of these two "Parties".

We are not corporations, we are incorporated beings! Do not mistake one for the other.

I hate to quote the bible , but..., until the lion lies down with the lamb, there shall not be peace.

The problem is not "out there". The problem is very truly "in here", inside the hearts of each of us. We have all been hurt, every one of us. We each crave justice. It is the blame part that we have confused. Point a sword at your neighbor and it will first pierce yourself. You are to blame, and only you can change that. No one likes to hear that, but...

That is what it always boils down to.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95782-474-Arrested-in-California-Child-Trafficking-Ring&p=1131661&viewfull=1#post1131661

[abmqa]

TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight.

I think this is all done on purpose, or if it's not... it sure as hell seems like it is.

Here's the basic formula (as I see it) for how these types of events go (only applies to very recent times.. this is a new model as far as i can tell):

THE LEFT:
Introduce into the echo chambers information via "trusted" channels that is MOSTLY true (or partly true) and sensational; but EASILY dis-proven.

Tie that introduced "dialect" to emotion some how (refer to the "regressive agenda" (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg)to see what most of what the media puts out is based on / uses as emotional leverage).


THE RIGHT:
Cherry pick the above "Dialect" and focus on the points that are demonstrably false.

Ignore all other points and cycle back to the above; see yourself as (finally) superior to the snooty liberals.


It's ingenious really, for very litle effort we tear each other apart and further separate... I've heard of families that didn't have holiday gatherings last month due to this political mess!



Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.

I'm a "gamer" (or perhaps, wannna-be gamer, not much time anymore) and I thought that whole thing had a few valid points, but the hysteria ruined what could have been a useful discussion (IMO).

But yea, that kind of seems like a matter that could be dealt with "later" in with current events in mind.



I understand your distaste for antagonists, I share that especially when it's done in a bullying / intimidating manner.


I honestly do not feel that is the case with Milo, at least not until provoked (he's a public speaker, why do people think they can verbally spar with a public speaker? haha) His ideas are very counter-culture and brash, but my god the logic and rationality is outstanding (probably could tone down the dick references too, but freedom of speech and all that...).

May be a bit off topic. However, your post caused me to assess my political leanings. Am I conservative, liberal, or libertarian.

I suspected, like most people, I was a little bit of each. I took this quiz and the results are that I am Libertarian with a 46% Liberal and 34% Conservative bias....

Are you conservative, liberal, or libertarian?
Your Result: Libertarian

80%

result You are a Libertarian. You often are not sure which of the two major parties to vote for. This is because you are socially liberal but economically conservative. You believe in small government, low taxes, and the right to bear arms. You also believe that the government should not legislate homosexuality, marriage, abortion, drugs, or immigration. Many libertarians mis-catagorize themselves as centrists. In our two party system you will often have to weigh what is more important; social or economic policy.

46%
Liberal

34%
Conservative

Pretty interesting result and does reflect my feelings

Go here to complete your quiz if interested

http://www.gotoquiz.com/are_you_conservative_liberal_or_libertarian

[A Voice from the Mountains]

These quizzes take different political perspectives themselves. Things are always shifting in the world of politics. Or maybe "squirming" is a better word for it.

There is another thread showing that Bill Clinton was saying all the same stuff about illegal immigration across the Mexican border back in the 1990's. Now the Democrats call Trump a racist and fascist for saying the exact same things about 20 years later. That alone illustrates the massive shift taking place just in 20 years.

Bush II, Obama, and now Trump, have all had major impacts on the two-party system. Bush brought in the "neo-conservatives" that trashed many traditional Republican values. Obama has radicalized the left, pushing it way into Marxist ideology. Trump is carving out an entirely new party for all intents and purposes and he will be including values formerly championed by the Democrats (such as labor) as part of that.

[Cidersomerset]

Media missing context in Berkeley protests coverage

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Published on 2 Feb 2017

Bias Bash: Justin Duckham on how the media might be missing the mark
by comparing the U.C. Berkeley protests to the Women's March on Washington


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Published on 2 Feb 2017
Fox News contributor sounds off on riots over Breitbart speaker

[Helene West]

wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

Only the left should be able to speak and show presence or it will be "stirring the pot". And, gay Milo is racist!
OK, Got it....

[Helene West]

This is just another of my mental meanderings but in looking at the young in these riots, the paid saboteurs notwithstanding, I've wondered if many are a new cultural phenomena of a generation raised in daycare centers. Feminist moms, single moms, household husbands or no dads at all, children of serial divorces where all they do is 'visit' parents and that after being raised in their most vulnerable years by people who don't love them....producing a meaner more malicious generation.....
just a thought

[TargeT]

Bush II, Obama, and now Trump, have all had major impacts on the two-party system. Bush brought in the "neo-conservatives" that trashed many traditional Republican values. Obama has radicalized the left, pushing it way into Marxist ideology. Trump is carving out an entirely new party for all intents and purposes and he will be including values formerly championed by the Democrats (such as labor) as part of that.

Meh, those are all Johnny-come-lately's. This goes at least back to Rumsfeld in the 70's (http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_october06_rumandsilver.htm), which morphed into PNAC in the 90's and was nicknamed "neocons" till now. It might be easier to name presidents, because they were more publicly known, but they were just the front men.. maybe mid/high level management at best (in bush SR case only though..).

And I can run you back even further on who "old rummy" was influenced by too..
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Don't let these wolfs stay in the shadow, they are who the real players are, the scum that has circled the drain in Washington for at least the last 50 years, with influences before that as well...


but, that's a topic for a whole other thread ;)

I'm sure there's similar on the left, but (if it's not obvious) I lean right due to my upbringing and against my better efforts & don't know much about the left's political machinations.




So I too, have been deeply effected by this divide, as it's blocked out a large section of knowledge from me due to my own preferences (which to this day, are difficult to shake).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Freedom of speech guarantees Milo a right to speak at a public venue.

Committing violence is not a right. The radical leftists responsible for the destruction belong in jail. You do not have a constitutional right to violent rioting.

[AutumnW]

There are definitely some fanatics on both side of the coin. For every leftist radical demonstration of ideology, there can be instances of fanatics on the right/conservative side of the coin as well including abortion clinic bombings, fascist demonstrators such as the KKK etc. I never understood this need by so many to "stick with the party line". There has to be common sense in the middle when one steps back and considers all the facts. That's why I don't label myself anything but a moral, spiritual being that tries to have a good code of ethics to live by and hopefully inspire others to do the same.

This is a good point. Most people are arrayed around the middle somewhere. Take abortion, as a good example. Neither the radical left or right seem to be able to differentiate a zygote from a viable fetus.

[AutumnW]

This is just another of my mental meanderings but in looking at the young in these riots, the paid saboteurs notwithstanding, I've wondered if many are a new cultural phenomena of a generation raised in daycare centers. Feminist moms, single moms, household husbands or no dads at all, children of serial divorces where all they do is 'visit' parents and that after being raised in their most vulnerable years by people who don't love them....producing a meaner more malicious generation.....
just a thought

They are children of privilege, for the most part. Snowflakes. They are precious histrionic beings who wandered out of a my little pony animation. As a liberal, I am astonished by this bunch. They are nothing like ANY liberals I know.

I watched this last night on TV and broke out laughing. It is like absurdist theater. They'll be trading their safe spaces for prison cell spaces soon. Sorry kids, no crayons!

[A Voice from the Mountains]

For all the talk about the freaking KKK, I live in the heart of what is supposed to be "KKK territory" and the only alleged KKK meeting I have ever saw was 20 years ago when maybe 30 rednecks in trucks and flying the Confederate flag met to have a barbecue outside of a small town, I guess to eat and tell racist jokes. That's all I have even ever heard about them. The idea of the KKK still being alive and well is itself a joke. People should research what the KKK used to be and what they did, and compare that to today, instead of buying into all this MSM baiting as if this is really some big presence on the American political stage.

They used to kill people, burn down houses and intimidate the hell out of entire populations of people. If anybody tried anything like that today all the major MSM news networks would be there in person shoving cameras in peoples faces and screaming bloody murder so they could replay it 24 hours a day for weeks at a time. They couldn't even do the A&E series on it because A&E got busted having to pay people to do these KKK scenes. That's the best they could find.

Compare that to the hordes of violent nutballs tearing down cities and beating people to a pulp that you see every week.

[boolacalaca]

When Will President Donald Trump Take Out George Soros?



There's only one problem with anyone taking out George Soros -- his son is already taking his place.

"Alex Soros comes out of the shadows. Son of George Soros is busy putting politicians in his pocket. George Soros's son promises to carry on his father's legacy of global corruption, regime change, and conflict creation."

http://theduran.com/alex-soros-comes-out-of-the-shadows-son-of-george-soros-is-putting-politicians-in-his-pocket/

[boolacalaca]

No arrests were made at the Yiannopoulos riot at UC Berkeley.

"Coverage of the rioting spread across the world last night as students
smashed ATMs and bank windows,
looted a Starbucks,
beat Trump supporters,
pepper sprayed innocent individuals,
and set fires in the street.
Others spray painted the words “Kill Trump” on storefronts."

Cal Poly President Jeffrey D. Armstrong issued a statement Wednesday saying he was proud of the way the campus community responded.
In part, he said --- "I am proud of our campus community for engaging in these events in a relatively peaceful and respectful manner. I am especially proud of those who participated in the Unite Cal Poly event and those who chose to ignore Mr. Yiannopoulos' speech and divisive language. We demonstrated well how differing thoughts and ideas can be expressed, considered and even opposed in a healthy and constructive manner. I would also like to thank Cal Poly's Office of University Diversity and Inclusion, Student Affairs and our University Police Department, among many others, who helped ensure the safety and wellbeing of our campus community."

It is obvious that campus administration is in solidarity with the rioters.

UC Berkeley last year received $370 million in tax-payer funding from the federal government.

Why?

If behaviors such as rioting, beating up people, destruction of property, etc. are condoned because they are done to prevent hate speech, then we need to know which groups can define hate speech. Only liberal or progressive ones?
What about the NRA or the Angel Moms?

If the label "hate speech" now regulates freedom of speech,
then we need a national register of sanctioned groups that can define it.
We also need specific policies on how a group gets sanctioned to be on the list.
Is there a philosophic, political, or social litmus test such a group much pass?
Who or what defines these philosophy, politics, or social parameters?

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell


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[Fellow Aspirant]

Re your question,
"Have Liberals gone insane?

When I think of UC Berkeley I think of Birkenstock's, hippies, skinny jeans and useless degrees. Not riots, fire bombs, assaults and vandalism..

But I guess riots = protests now? And freedom of speech only counts if the person is saying what you agree with?"


My response would be, "No, but hothead teenage provocateurs are capable of doing damage". These "rioters" were not liberals - they were immature, angry youngsters who seized an opportunity to make trouble for a guy who is famous for trolling liberals, though.

He should have been allowed to speak, of course. But he was offering himself up as a target for this kind of behaviour - so that he could say "I told you so" to his followers and other prospective recruits.

Good try, Berkeley, but your naivete is showing. You should have seen this coming.

B.

[Bill Ryan]

.
Here's a very nice 20 second Infowars clip, from about 10 days ago, about the difference between a PROTEST and a RIOT.

Recommended. :)



http://projectavalon.net/This_is_a_protest.mp4

[Carmody]

They appear to have the requisite heart.

It's too bad they are so deeply misinformed.

[Tyy1907]

I think the term is "social engineering".

[Bob]

Have Liberals gone insane?

When I think of UC Berkeley I think of Birkenstock's, hippies, skinny jeans and useless degrees. Not riots, fire bombs, assaults and vandalism..

But I guess riots = protests now? And freedom of speech only counts if the person is saying what you agree with?

[..]

TargeT and the group...

My feeling is a certain type of program activation is happening.

My feeling is CIA back in the 50's, 60's, and later have been involved in programming society.. Herve' has pointed this out, although not as clear as I would like to have seen pointed out..

My feeling is Cambridge Analytica (and other data-miners) are attempting to determine WHICH programs have been activated in certain groups... The programs allow for specific dramatizing, acting out.. It is "push button remote control" or the testing of completely robotic minds, as Herve' pointed out a controlled society, to be manipulated to function "on command"...

My guess is, they don't know how efficient, or how accurate their programs are, if they need to "tune them" more accurately..

We have seen Disney for instance, has been one of the major programmers, creating "impossible" realities in people, where psychosis is the only logical end result.. Using such programming to control whole societies is what I believe is the current dynamic.. Controlling whole countries.. that I am curious about how far the reach is, and how the programming has been modified for other cultures...

In the US my belief is they want to determine how accurate their "button" press is.. Push a button and watch the dynamics in the "literal insane".. (insanity in the classical sense, a total lack of understanding what is real and what is delusion...)...

[ghostrider]

They are terrorist , and do not support the constitution ...America is headed for civil war ...

.

[Bob]

They are terrorist , and do not support the constitution ...America is headed for civil war ...

.

I understand you believe that.. My point is, the programming is creating the "insanity button".. to undo it the realization means understand, the programming happened in school, and it happened with various "movies", set up to be reactive triggers.. If the reactive component is triggered, the person will "act out", as a robot would, with full belief that "they are right" despite rational thought.. Psychosis in other words..

== update ==

they are acting that way because they have been programmed that way.. they don't know any better because of the false values programmed in.. a mind is 'plastic' when programmed with deep emotional triggers.. a perceived "trauma" albeit totally synthetic, (such as a cartoon character being "wronged" hypothetically, which is admired by the audience, is enough to allow for programming to happen) is enough to trigger those programmed.. truly they know not what they do...

-- it will take more than sending "love" or hugging these types.. they are severely programed and in need of massive help.. AND they will not accept such help - the program says they are RIGHT.. therefore, they will not heal, they will only seek destruction..

[Fellow Aspirant]

Here's a very nice 20 second Infowars clip, from about 10 days ago, about the difference between a PROTEST and a RIOT.

Recommended. :)



http://projectavalon.net/This_is_a_protest.mp4




I like pithy things. This is pithy and right on.

Nice.

B.

[TargeT]

My feeling is a certain type of program activation is happening.
My feeling is CIA back in the 50's, 60's, and later have been involved in programming society.. Herve' has pointed this out, although not as clear as I would like to have seen pointed out..

My feeling is Cambridge Analytica (and other data-miners) are attempting to determine WHICH programs have been activated in certain groups... The programs allow for specific dramatizing, acting out.. It is "push button remote control" or the testing of completely robotic minds, as Herve' pointed out a controlled society, to be manipulated to function "on command"...

My guess is, they don't know how efficient, or how accurate their programs are, if they need to "tune them" more accurately..

We have seen Disney for instance, has been one of the major programmers, creating "impossible" realities in people, where psychosis is the only logical end result.. Using such programming to control whole societies is what I believe is the current dynamic.. Controlling whole countries.. that I am curious about how far the reach is, and how the programming has been modified for other cultures...

In the US my belief is they want to determine how accurate their "button" press is.. Push a button and watch the dynamics in the "literal insane".. (insanity in the classical sense, a total lack of understanding what is real and what is delusion...)...


Well, the tools are certainly all there.. Manipulated facebook feeds are already known to evoke emotional changes (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds) in individuals; a lot of people are deeply invested in social media for "social need" fulfillment.

I could see this as some weird experiment, I'm certainly not buying that these were all "bused in provocateurs" though I can see there being those there as well.

with facebook as the instant-feedback data set, things like this could just be a reactionary test.

[Helene West]

Target

I so agree with the direction you and Bob are looking at right now, at some non-political reasons for these riots. Except as Bob points out the school programming to me it happens almost at birth today. This is where I started to go yesterday watching them.

If we have a large amounts of infants and toddlers raised by people who don't love them in Daycare centers, then as young children and adolescents they have to be 'visitors' of parents because parents are inevitably divorced, then watch both sets of parents putting their attention in new romances, then they watch new babies (competitors) from the new romances made who don't have to be 'visitors', that is until the parents and the step parent divorce as well.... These Prepped emotionally wanting humans then are put into the School programming...

Just on the above alone I can see a jealous Unconscious hatred brewing for anything traditional because they have unacknowledged needs for stability, attention and love -
Even a picture of a traditional mom and dad family, an american flag, a christmas card (a heterosexual Alpha white male?).... Traditional anything could possibly set these young people off as they are perpetually wanting emotionally.

And further as a quick aside - on top of above what do they have to look forward to in trying to get emotional fulfillment when they get even a few years older?
I was watching a show called Seven Year Switch. Credentialed psychologists (experts) encourage people, mainly in late '20s/early '30s, to switch spouses with other couples having marital problems. The purported reason is to help them appreciate their spouses. But they stick the switched couples in honeymoon type suites with one bed before switching homes. They tell them they don't have to have sex with them but in half the cases the inevitable happens.
In other words what is passing as marital counseling is an invitation to Adultery!! This from the Experts! Infidelity posing as Counseling! And they are so programmed they can't identify this.... the funny part is there is substantial interracial elements - so as I've often felt - We will have Blessed diversity in our cultural deterioration - diversified programmed serfs.

at least they can have a Faux Family united in adrenaline fueled malice via social media.

I know it's all irrelevant as everything will be labeled - Outrage at Trump, the boogeyman...
And Simple Simon met a pieman going to the fair....

[Bubu]

This entire reality is all so unnecessary. Over night we could change it if we would only unite. But we can't unite because we don't know who's lying and who's telling the truth.

We are shaved off the herd, in small groups. Some for climate change, some for Unicef, some for Hillary and some for Trump, some for Free Energy, some for conspiracy theories, some as whistle blowers, some as rich, some as poor, some as Christians, some as Muslims, and on and on. These are the polarizing issues that can only be solved if we are not immersed within them. Polarizing issues cannot be solved unless sides are not chosen and all agree. The one thing never before tried is ruling by consensus. That's unanimous consent. This is easily understood by a child, yet as adults we never practice or even consider it.

If unanimous decision has to be reached before action of any kind is taken, it would not be long before we would learn how to think for not just ourselves but for the sake of all humanity and even the world. Only in the largest context can consensus be attained.

Our overseers know that all to well...

well said Ernie. I suggest that a consensus can only be reach when people learn to think for the good of the whole. The problem is that people are so immersed in self. Thus the never ending conflict. people need to realize one at a time that we are all part of one humanity. So again we are back to "be the change you wanted to see"

PS a child understand this so well because they are less corrupted by the system. corruption formal training starts at formal education.

[Bubu]

My feeling is a certain type of program activation is happening.
My feeling is CIA back in the 50's, 60's, and later have been involved in programming society.. Herve' has pointed this out, although not as clear as I would like to have seen pointed out..

My feeling is Cambridge Analytica (and other data-miners) are attempting to determine WHICH programs have been activated in certain groups... The programs allow for specific dramatizing, acting out.. It is "push button remote control" or the testing of completely robotic minds, as Herve' pointed out a controlled society, to be manipulated to function "on command"...

My guess is, they don't know how efficient, or how accurate their programs are, if they need to "tune them" more accurately..

We have seen Disney for instance, has been one of the major programmers, creating "impossible" realities in people, where psychosis is the only logical end result.. Using such programming to control whole societies is what I believe is the current dynamic.. Controlling whole countries.. that I am curious about how far the reach is, and how the programming has been modified for other cultures...

In the US my belief is they want to determine how accurate their "button" press is.. Push a button and watch the dynamics in the "literal insane".. (insanity in the classical sense, a total lack of understanding what is real and what is delusion...)...


Well, the tools are certainly all there.. Manipulated facebook feeds are already known to evoke emotional changes (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds) in individuals; a lot of people are deeply invested in social media for "social need" fulfillment.

I could see this as some weird experiment, I'm certainly not buying that these were all "bused in provocateurs" though I can see there being those there as well.

with facebook as the instant-feedback data set, things like this could just be a reactionary test.

Programming can only be successful after they successfully close the mind to possibilities even here on avalon I can see that many minds are close to possibilities. When mind is open to possibility it will always question. This is where programming ends.

[Chester]

If we are referring to the folks like AutumnW pointed to here -



They are children of privilege, for the most part. Snowflakes. They are precious histrionic beings who wandered out of a my little pony animation. As a liberal, I am astonished by this bunch. They are nothing like ANY liberals I know.

I watched this last night on TV and broke out laughing. It is like absurdist theater. They'll be trading their safe spaces for prison cell spaces soon. Sorry kids, no crayons!

then this quote -


There are definitely some fanatics on both side of the coin. For every leftist radical demonstration of ideology, there can be instances of fanatics on the right/conservative side of the coin as well including abortion clinic bombings, fascist demonstrators such as the KKK etc. I never understood this need by so many to "stick with the party line". There has to be common sense in the middle when one steps back and considers all the facts. That's why I don't label myself anything but a moral, spiritual being that tries to have a good code of ethics to live by and hopefully inspire others to do the same.

... the above quote, if we are talking about today, this is not true anywhere near to the degree it is absolutely true that a loony left (the ones AutumnW pointed to) is massive and extremely unhinged in the US (and this has spread to some extent).

These folks are truly emotionally deranged and likely most if not all require long term mental health treatment.

http://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif?noredirect

The magnitude and intensity of this ideologically driven, collective meltdown has me seriously worried humanity as a whole may never recover.



EDIT( added at 3:12 PM Friday afternoon... just in case): For those who don't know me so well - all the above is simply Friday afternoon jest, nothing more.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

They are children of privilege, for the most part. Snowflakes. They are precious histrionic beings who wandered out of a my little pony animation. As a liberal, I am astonished by this bunch. They are nothing like ANY liberals I know.

Modern SJWs have as much to do with classical liberalism as neo-cons have to do with traditional conservatism.

They are Marxist thugs, and a lot of them even openly carry around communist and socialist flags. There is a recurring historical pattern of paid thugs overthrowing governments violently and installing Marxist regimes that quickly become authoritarian nightmares. They project onto Trump exactly what they themselves are trying to accomplish, and would have had under Hillary Clinton. We would have become like China.

China is the new left.

[Desire]

Hi everyone
I think we have to focus on the big picture here. At the political top the two parties follow the same NWO elites. Concur and divide is their game. Keep the masses riled up.

IMO they, the elite, can then play any games they want.

Hillery said she would accept the vote outcome. Then she does nothing about stopping her "peace loving ,kind " followers from acting like criminals.

Remember Trump is not part of this elite game .The top desperately wants him gone. Trump and the law is closing in on them. Just today they closed down a

trafficking ,state wide, Cartel in California. The elite are on the run and so are the politician who work for them........Creers

[Helene West]

If we are referring to the folks like AutumnW pointed to here -



They are children of privilege, for the most part. Snowflakes. They are precious histrionic beings who wandered out of a my little pony animation. As a liberal, I am astonished by this bunch. They are nothing like ANY liberals I know.

I watched this last night on TV and broke out laughing. It is like absurdist theater. They'll be trading their safe spaces for prison cell spaces soon. Sorry kids, no crayons!

then this quote -


There are definitely some fanatics on both side of the coin. For every leftist radical demonstration of ideology, there can be instances of fanatics on the right/conservative side of the coin as well including abortion clinic bombings, fascist demonstrators such as the KKK etc. I never understood this need by so many to "stick with the party line". There has to be common sense in the middle when one steps back and considers all the facts. That's why I don't label myself anything but a moral, spiritual being that tries to have a good code of ethics to live by and hopefully inspire others to do the same.

... the above quote, if we are talking about today, this is not true anywhere near to the degree it is absolutely true that a loony left (the ones AutumnW pointed to) is massive and extremely unhinged in the US (and this has spread to some extent).

These folks are truly emotionally deranged and likely most if not all require long term mental health treatment.

http://i.imgur.com/avHnbUZ.gif?noredirect

The magnitude and intensity of this ideologically driven, collective meltdown has me seriously worried humanity as a whole may never recover.

I agree with Sam about the world may never recover if something isn't done soon to address the epidemic of mind controlled young people and their violence. They are not a majority but culture's use of Technology favors the extreme and they are being made to look more numerous than they really are. Technology is being used against us inadvertently.
I don't agree with Autumn calling them privileged. In what way? They could just as well be a generation of children of moms who are more preoccupied with careers and want children as part of their personal resume but don't like actual mothering and who knows about missing or negligible fathers. They are screaming for attention and we have all been trained to trivialize homemaking and childrearing.
Slant's e.g. of the kkk is archaic at this point and Ernie earlier in a post brings up good spiritual points but an mlk would probably be eliminated from the scene before he/she could ever go public.
White christian western civilization was obviously being deliberately dismantled for something else and we still don't know, though many of us speculate what the 'something else' is and those who recognized it 2 or 3 decades ago were ignored or called all the usual tired epithets.

If trump doesn't really represent the white hats as many were hoping or he does and he's being sabotaged then we are approaching the culmination of divide and conquer. it's working - I find myself thinking I'd rather the country separate into right and left america than live with these tyrannical brainwashed creatures. That just may be the next planned stage of divide and conquer in america, breaking into regions.

[Helene West]

Hi everyone
I think we have to focus on the big picture here. At the political top the two parties follow the same NWO elites. Concur and divide is their game. Keep the masses riled up.

IMO they, the elite, can then play any games they want.

Hillery said she would accept the vote outcome. Then she does nothing about stopping her "peace loving ,kind " followers from acting like criminals.

Remember Trump is not part of this elite game .The top desperately wants him gone. Trump and the law is closing in on them. Just today they closed down a

trafficking ,state wide, Cartel in California. The elite are on the run and so are the politician who work for them........Creers

Desire - from your lips to God's ears!

[ErtheVessel]

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area (near UC Berkeley) and have for many years. The media here, IMHO, is for the most part massively left wing liberal and has become even more rabidly and fanatically so in the past few months. To the point where it is beginning to feel actually dangerous to me and very deliberately incendiary and provocative. However, at the beginning of any "event," one can usually hear something of the truth from various media outlets. In the recent UC riot coverage, a small soundbite I heard on the radio was that the "protestors" were described by a witness as "very organized and very violent."

And something I heard yesterday, while I was standing in an "antique store" (junk shop) with my sister. She was talking to someone she knows, so I was idly eavesdropping on a conversation between the owner of the store and one of the vendors in the store. The vendor was speaking, and I will paraphrase: "The initial protest was totally peaceful. Then these [guys] came in who were all dressed in black and organized like some sort of military group. They are professionals and show up at all kinds of protests and turn them violent. They call themselves the Black Rock Group - that's what they're called."

This is total hearsay from a complete stranger, but this is what I heard him say. (It is also possible I got the name of the group wrong.) I am too chicken to actually search for this Black Rock Group on the internet myself, because if they are that violent, I don't want them to know I am looking at their website, if they have one. Maybe someone else on Avalon has more nerve than I, or has more skill in protecting their own identity.

In any case, I do indeed believe that we as a nation are being massively manipulated and deliberately herded into very violent divisiveness by TPTB. I hope we can be smarter than them, but total social destabilization seems to be their goal. So far they seem to be succeeding.

[Helene West]

Take Twitter, it is not conducive to concepts. Just short little quips and many conservatives spend their time tweeting or retweeting or quotes or pics of violence or the extreme. So unwittingly everyone is magnifying the vile and violent.

[Chester]

I tweeted -

Sam Hunter ‏@SamHunter191919 19 Dec 2016


Yes, there was Russian involvement in the election… all the folks russian to the polls to vote for Trump!

my one and only political tweet ever

[Helene West]

Sam - did u see the movie Eastern Promises with Viggo mortensen? you look like the russian musician who sang and played the accordian with a beautiful russian folk song, best part of the movie....

[Chester]

hahahah that was me 20 years ago... (meaning in my Avatar)

and that is one of my top 100 most favorite movies. I will watch it again to see.

Add 20 years and 50 lbs to the guy in my picture and you get the picture now.

Back to Topic, apologies, Target.

[bettye198]

Thank you Target. It is an abject lunacy that is hard to let our heads wrap around. I saw a poster being carried in one picture online at Berkeley that said Kill Trump. Isn't that bordering on a threat to POTUS that constitutes a class E felony title 18 section 871. I suppose if it is actionable but inciting a riot to do so? What law is that in violation of ? That would be for the courts to surmise.
There is a video, you can find it online via the History Channel, that is relatively short and to the point about riots that occurred on the campus of Berkeley back in 1969. ( Was that the Vietnam moratorium?) Reagan was in this video and ordered the National Guard with their tanks and what not to intervene. The professors argued right in front of POTUS and he thrashed back about allowing such an abomination and raising youth to declare violence that solves nothing.
Ok, I found it.
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[TargeT]

The magnitude and intensity of this ideologically driven, collective meltdown has me seriously worried humanity as a whole may never recover.

EDIT( added at 3:12 PM Friday afternoon... just in case): For those who don't know me so well - all the above is simply Friday afternoon jest, nothing more.

Maybe jest to you, but the actions I see, the IMMEDIATE agreement that violence is the correct answer to words... This is a sickness.

The crowd at UC Berkely, if nothing else, allowed the riots to turn violent and ugly... I've seen actual "protests" where actions like this by masked individuals were STOPPED by the protesters, because they don't condone it... not even the cops did this at UC Berkeley and zero arrests?
http://i.imgur.com/9PdoVRB.jpg
That's a wide spread mind virus, thought construct... manipulation... call it what you will, but it's impressive that the police, the campus staff, and the students AT THE VERY LEAST allowed this to happen, and of course, in reality... it wasn't a "very least" situation.

I see a lot of "tells" in that situation and mostly in how the people reacted to the situation, I think this is exactly the kind of information that is being sought.. "will they support, or at least put up, with this or that?"


I don't like the answers I'm pulling out of it.





They are children of privilege, for the most part. Snowflakes. They are precious histrionic beings who wandered out of a my little pony animation. As a liberal, I am astonished by this bunch. They are nothing like ANY liberals I know.

Modern SJWs have as much to do with classical liberalism as neo-cons have to do with traditional conservatism.

They are Marxist thugs, and a lot of them even openly carry around communist and socialist flags. There is a recurring historical pattern of paid thugs overthrowing governments violently and installing Marxist regimes that quickly become authoritarian nightmares. They project onto Trump exactly what they themselves are trying to accomplish, and would have had under Hillary Clinton. We would have become like China.

China is the new left.

This I agree with, it's an extremist group that hijacked the name.. the same has been done to every-movement ever known to man, if you can name one that it hasn't happened to (and your not delusional) then just wait, it will.



I saw a poster being carried in one picture online at Berkeley that said Kill Trump. Isn't that bordering on a threat to POTUS that constitutes a class E felony title 18 section 871. I suppose if it is actionable but inciting a riot to do so? What law is that in violation of ? That would be for the courts to surmise.

This is what I've found most interesting recently... public officials openly defying law and executive orders, on a large scale, and zero publicized rejection of that idea... Feels like subconscious programming to me or something.. this is not the front that is normally put on by the media, I dunno, it's very strange.


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[Cidersomerset]

This a good little chat with Tucker , he does make an interesting point towards the
end of the interview about freedom of speech in the US that is supposed to be
more open than Europe but he has had more trouble in the US than back here.


Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives

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Published on 2 Feb 2017
Exclusive: Breitbart editor reflects on the riots that led to the cancellation
of his speech at U.C., Berkeley, mainstream media creating environment
for violence against conservatives, his new book, hate speech and more #Tucker

[Cidersomerset]

So what's all the fuss about , this is a recent talk from few days before
the trouble at Berkley if the dates are correct...

I can see why Muslims are offended but its whether you believe in
free speech or not , most of his views are correct depending from
which side you look at it......

He is a 'Bitch and a Ass' but no more than other speakers of his kind
'Shock Jocky' from left , right or centre...Ends with a not bad Q & A.


Milo Yiannopoulos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos


MILO At University Of New Mexico: America Deserves Borders (FULL TALK)

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Published on 27 Jan 2017

http://www.ttujournalism.net/classes/jour3311/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/09/MILO-10-1.jpg

[TargeT]

Great break down of the crazy meme's and doublespeak that was going on at Berkeley.

yKm5MXzOoeY


Nazis are everywhere .. especially at UC Berkeley this week as senior Reich's Fuhrer Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to host a propaganda session in order to brain wash young righteous freedom fighters from the university. Thank **** the anti fascists turned up to wreck a heap of ****. Regards, Bearing.

[turiya]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/02/01/20170203_free_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/02/01/20170203_free.jpg)
Source: Townhall.com (http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/02/03/148372)

[Helene West]

Berkeley campus victim:
I follow Stephan Molyneux on twitter. He posted an interview with a young lady who was pepper sprayed by a female in black ninja type garb, assaulted and her husband severely beaten. Her husband is still in the hospital. They were dressed neutral but her friends had trump supporter clothes on. When the violence began the police retreated in locked glass vestibules in the campus watching it all and doing nothing. A legal aide person took her to the glass doors and they pleaded with the police to let her in so she could wash the pepper spray out of her eyes but they wouldn't open the doors. I usually don't copy things so I hope the link works. 24 min.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIFYTYNl7ng[/url]

[Alan]

My bias view of him came from viewing his speeches, which in my opinion, are dripping with overt bigotry

Would you consider providing an example of one of these speeches?

[norman]

As one social experiment fades out another comes into being.

[Cidersomerset]

This is amusing in hindsight and I started watching it because it is dated
today but it was done during the primaries ....Milo's Trump prediction at
the end was 100% spot on...LOL


_D2trDgh6sA

Published on 3Feb 2017


Milo Yiannopoulos DESTROYS Fake Liberals On Donald Trump

[Helene West]

If the girl in the video in my #63 above is telling the truth then the #1 criminal here is whoever told the cops to stand down, probably the governor of CA.
When cops feel they have back up from higher ups I don't think they mind arresting punks. It's hard to believe they were 'hiding'?
Envisioning the cops standing behind locked glass doors just watching crowd violence the way she describes, I think that makes my heart more heavy than the actual rioters.
Meanwhile the White House tweets that I've gotten make no mention of all this rioting and anarchy... it gets more and more bizarre.

[Cidersomerset]

Liberal & conservative students at Berkeley condemn riots

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Published on 3 Feb 2017
Riots at the University of California, Berkeley against Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos
cost the school more than $100,000 in damages. Meanwhile, three protesters were arrested.
RT America's Brigida Santos reports, speaking with students at the school.

[TargeT]

Socked, yet not surprised... a weird feeling.



UC Berkeley Thug Who Beat Conservative and Bragged About It Online – Is University Staff Member!

A UC Berkeley rioter and thug who bragged online about beating conservatives outside the Milo Yiannopoulos speech on Wednesday night — works at the university.
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/dabney-miller-575x272.png

Dabney Miller, a staff member at the UC Berkeley, bragged about how he beat conservatives. He posted images of one man he knocked to the ground and pummeled with his fists before someone pulled him away.

Dabney Miller draws a paycheck from the UC Berkeley administration.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/uc-berkeley-thug-beat-conservative-bragged-online-university-staff-member/

[OnyxKnight]

I don't agree with Autumn calling them privileged. In what way? They could just as well be a generation of children of moms who are more preoccupied with careers and want children as part of their personal resume but don't like actual mothering and who knows about missing or negligible fathers. They are screaming for attention and we have all been trained to trivialize homemaking and childrearing.

A lot of them come from middle-class or upper middle class families, who for the most part are well-adjusted. Quite a few are from elitist families even, especially those louder than the rest and who tend to act like guides, moderators, organizers or heads of movements or local chapters of movements. Considering one of the recurring elements in SJW rhetoric is "privilege" and how it destroys society, I'd reckon that they fit right into their own definition of it. They're wealthy, privileged brats, who try to destroy present-day society. Their excuse as to what makes them better than other people with privileges, is that they are aware of it and try to spread the word and "educate" the masses. I'm not sure they even believe in educating the people they disagree with, as more often than not these days you hear the phrase "it's not my job to educate you, go read a book", etc. - which just begs the question of what they are trying to achieve if the end goals are what they say they are, yet in practice they seem lazy enough to just ignore their own rules whenever convenient.

Another aspect of privilege they have is privileges over other people's lives. Or at least, being able to adversely affect them. Case in point - Gays and lesbians shutting down family owned business for not baking a cake for a gay wedding, or not giving flowers to a lesbian one, and many similar examples. I think there was also a pizzeria case with almost the exact circumstances. Or women having leverage over men in courts based on law (sometimes even ignoring said law, because god forbid a man won a case ---- and despite this, many women complain that they live in a patriarchy, their favorite buzzword). Especially in cases like rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, divorce settlements, children, inheritance, etc. Black people have privilege to call somebody racist nowadays if they disagree with them on specific issues, especially the Black Lives Matter movement.

Muslims holding privilege over religious freedoms and religious discrimination, because at the same time nobody can say anything critical of islam, not even in comedy or parody, and they can criticize any other religion to the whims of their desire, just like atheists and "critical" skeptics who are fine bashing Christianity (and occasionally Judaism), but find it a cardinal sin to say anything remotely critical of muslims and Islam. To me, that screams privilege. If it wasn't clear enough on how they have been treated in the US, Canada and in Europe, despite everything that happened or continuous to happen there.

Privilege, is a very fitting word for these types of people.


If trump doesn't really represent the white hats as many were hoping or he does and he's being sabotaged then we are approaching the culmination of divide and conquer. it's working - I find myself thinking I'd rather the country separate into right and left america than live with these tyrannical brainwashed creatures. That just may be the next planned stage of divide and conquer in america, breaking into regions.

Reading your comment here in the quote reminded me of this (https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Republic-Kurt-Schlichter-ebook/dp/B01M0H7WQZ) book:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51EzcCcSB-L.jpg

If true, kind of prophetic.


This is total hearsay from a complete stranger, but this is what I heard him say. (It is also possible I got the name of the group wrong.) I am too chicken to actually search for this Black Rock Group on the internet myself, because if they are that violent, I don't want them to know I am looking at their website, if they have one. Maybe someone else on Avalon has more nerve than I, or has more skill in protecting their own identity.

They call themselves the Black Bloc.

They are anarchists, and yes, they were present as UC Berkeley.


wow! I don't know what to say except they are continuing to divide us. Why would Berkley have, Yiannopoulos, such a controversial man come and speak at this tense time is beyond me?! Who is stirring this political pot?! :(

Why wouldn't they? Is being controversial a solid and valid argument not to allow somebody to hear what they have to say? If so, since when? And let's be frank, a lot of people here, even prominent figures and creamie celebs from the alt-media would be desperately and forever grateful for a spot like that, to give a lecture or hold a presentation in a mainstream avenue, in front of young minds, and let's not kid ourselves, many of us, and I do mean many of us, can be deemed even more controversial in terms of what we would like to say there, but none of us would ever consider the idea that we need to be silenced and have no voice. On the contrary, we're fighting for the very opposite. Why is it then that Milo is a controversial speaker unworthy of attention? What makes what he has to say more controversial than what any random person
interviewed thus far by Bill and Kerry?

Nobody is stirring the pot here, least of all him. He didn't start his career when most of the regressives started punching people for wrongthink. He's been at it long ago, he just became more famous because he found what buttons work best with the regressive left.


TargeT, I think it's a bit much to focus only on the left here. There is plenty of shade to go around. Why would the Republican group bring this guy into speak? unless they are intentionally stirring the pot or actually agree with his racist rhetoric?

I in no way think that there should have been riots, but people should always have the right to protest. Milos has said and done some truly hateful things. I would feel it was my duty to voice my opposition to him speaking at an educational institution near me.

Things are very tense in the US and in the world right now. I think it was irresponsible to bring in such a controversial speaker. Like throwing a match on some rather dry tinder. People are scared.

Just like Milo, these things are said about many others, including great social media celeb - Pewdiepie, and many alternative skeptic thinkers on Youtube, or libertarian/libertarian-like individuals like Molineux and Lauren Southern, and including Trump. Racists, sexists, misogynists, islamophobes, homophobes, transphobes. I will issue the standard response I always give people when using this terminology with regards to these figures - Care to elaborate on the labels? As in, why are you using them, for what reason are they there, can you provide a quote/reference that substantiates them?


I'm all for free speech. He knew his speech would be controversial. So if others are offended and provoked, as he knew they would be by his insensitive and bigoted comments, where is the news in that? He actually seem to revel in delight at the agitation he caused. As if that was the sole intention of his speech.

In light of recent developments in regards to Muslims and bans, demonstrations and activists should be expected.

Noam Chomskey once said:
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

I guess the real news is that he is an editor at Brietbart and this links him to the Whitehouse and Trump...

Oh the company we keep....

The same questions I have for Bruno, apply to you as well. Probably even more so as you say that you actually have heard him speaking.

Expected, but not warranted. Not the same. A valid decision, considering the developments across the globe with regards to the muslim populace.


My bias view of him came from viewing his speeches, which in my opinion, are dripping with overt bigotry. If he truly believes all of the ideas that he spouts then he is indeed a bigot and perhaps a racist, but I respect his right to express his views. If he is a shill for the extreme right wing Breibart website, for that I will condemn him.

While Trump pushes his anti-Muslim agenda, good old Milo riles up the left wing. Some are indeed fanatical as evidenced in the videos.

How does this help the situation?...Well due to the riots and violence Trump can say I told you so....

It's all so unnecessary

He is a self-proclaimed professional troll. That should have told you something, but you fell for the trolling regardless.

As far as the left goes, who riled them up here in Europe? Or in my country? It seems your bias was present waaaay before you ever heard Milo speak. It's easy to pass the ball of blame on the other side as long as your side is "fighting for equality". Fighting, as in, literally punching people unconscious. On a good day I mean. On a bad day, some cop may get fatally shot. That happens too.




TargeT I like your roundpounding comparison. It really did give me pause. Perhaps I need some toughing up. I just have a hard time with people who I feel enjoy antagonizing a group or groups and then standing back and watching the chaos created with delight.

I think this is all done on purpose, or if it's not... it sure as hell seems like it is.

Here's the basic formula (as I see it) for how these types of events go (only applies to very recent times.. this is a new model as far as i can tell):

THE LEFT:
Introduce into the echo chambers information via "trusted" channels that is MOSTLY true (or partly true) and sensational; but EASILY dis-proven.

Tie that introduced "dialect" to emotion some how (refer to the "regressive agenda" (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg)to see what most of what the media puts out is based on / uses as emotional leverage).


THE RIGHT:
Cherry pick the above "Dialect" and focus on the points that are demonstrably false.

Ignore all other points and cycle back to the above; see yourself as (finally) superior to the snooty liberals.


It's ingenious really, for very litle effort we tear each other apart and further separate... I've heard of families that didn't have holiday gatherings last month due to this political mess!



Perhaps I fell for his bait once too many time. I could go off here about Gamergate but I won't bore everyone because the whole issue seems laughable given the current state of affairs.

I'm a "gamer" (or perhaps, wannna-be gamer, not much time anymore) and I thought that whole thing had a few valid points, but the hysteria ruined what could have been a useful discussion (IMO).

Ethics in gaming journalism IMO merits a bit more than "few valid points". It blew in proportion just like anything does these days - Because SJWs started crying loudly how victimized they are, and that's when all the hysteria swam to the surface.

[TargeT]

Considering one of the recurring elements in SJW rhetoric is "privilege" and how it destroys society

We are most passionate about that which we notice the echo's of in ourselves, especially when it comes to hate.

I think this is a part of how we "divide and conquer".. this mechanism makes it very easy to "view the other side" as hypocritical and there for easily written off while not noticing the same actions in ourselves. Mostly due to the rampant lack of self analysis and personal responsibility that is present these days.

I've tried my best to prevent it in my children, but I still allow then to consume modern media and interact with "typical people"; that's all it takes due to several (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactive_memory) psychological behaviors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactive_memory) and mechanisms (https://aeon.co/ideas/the-desire-to-fit-in-is-the-root-of-almost-all-wrongdoing)that are well known to a small minority in full.

[OnyxKnight]

I've tried my best to prevent it in my children, but I still allow then to consume modern media and interact with "typical people"; that's all it takes due to several (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactive_memory) psychological behaviors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactive_memory) and mechanisms (https://aeon.co/ideas/the-desire-to-fit-in-is-the-root-of-almost-all-wrongdoing)that are well known to a small minority in full.

You at least tried. Many parents give up at the start, or they completely immerse them in that side of life as they grew up with it. I'm not a fan of strict parenting, but I feel times ahead warrant a bit more restraint, at least until they are of 18 years old and become responsible for their own actions. Until then I can be the bad and mean parent that is overprotective and trying to instill some values in his kids. Thank you for the links, I will check them out.

[TargeT]

a bit more restraint, at least until they are of 18 years old and become responsible for their own actions.

Certain very important portions of our brain do not fully mature (http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/) until 25-30 years old (ever wondered why that number is the one used by rental car companies? well now you know) this "risk vs reward" evaluation portion of our brain isn't developed fully until our late 20's and is the reason why so many seemingly rash (and at times, idiotic) actions are taken by "youth".

Knowing this and giving creative outlets to the behavior associated with that lack of development is key, but not many act on that knowledge (or, perhaps, have it).


So, while I agree with you... I don't think it's traditional "strictness" that is needed, just more psychological understanding and problem solving. ;)

"Strictness" often triggers even more rebelliousness.

For example:

I have mostly girls (thank you for your sympathy) and they can tend to verbal spats that at a certain point, always escalate to a "breaking point" because neither a 9 year old, nor a 12 year old have a very good grasp on emotional intelligence and self regulation. Taking the strict route in that situation generally just shifts the emotion to the newest set of resistance (me) so instead I re/direct the energy or find a way to separate the two reactive components until the reaction subsides... if/when the "Breaking point" (usually includes rash not-well-thought-out actions, hitting, breaking something, etc..) is hit and some ridiculous action causes one or both parties to melt down into emotional overload then I spend far more time than they are comfortable with calmly explaining what happened and why and how to prevent it (that's usualy punishment enough in itself.. I can be infuriatingly calm, I just won't give into the emotional tit for tat that is so attractive to the un-self-aware in times of emotional upheaval) but that almost inevitably shifts anger to me as well and only my persistence gets us through it.

Taking these things on "head on" or in what I think of when I read "strict parenting" doesn't seem to work as good as the Aikido (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido)type method.

I've only learned this because we Home school so I spend a lot more time than most parents around my kids and their friends.


So I say all of that, to say this:

I think what I am scratching at in understanding with my kids is demonstrated to us in these large "Berkeley riot" like situations.. It's complex as hell & very possibly being leveraged on purpose.

But I waiver a lot in my commitment to conspiratorial thinking ;)

[Desire]

I am a person of few words but here they are.
The deep state, Illegal government with many other names like NWO , Cabal etc. are very worried.
They see the real human Americans coming forth .But unless we gather our energy they might win.
That can not be aloud to happen.
Remember You must INTEND your vision.

[zen deik]

Orwellian double speak....free speech...inconsiderate people are the ones that I Don't particularly care for...

[CD7]

RE: The new Title : US script for the week

[Chester]

Post Inauguration Stress Disorder - PISD

P I S s e D

[Chris Gilbert]

Going off on a tangent a bit, but in one respect I understand the visceral level appeal of equality and the liberal "ideal". To an extent it's rooted in the genetic legacy that existed for most of human history during the hunter-gather and horticultural periods where the amount and form of energy surplus available to the homo genus did not allow for much inequality or centralized control. Nothing wrong with wanting that.

On the other hand, I think the idea you can achieve a permanent return to equality via government control is bogus. Political maneuvering and leftist virtue signaling won't do that, while greater energy surplus and human freedom that thwarts centralized artificiality WILL. I also find much of modern leftism incredibly hypocritical and hateful. Even when their IQs are technically higher, I find it's hard for me to have a genuine conversation with most who are churned out of leftist academic institutions, they're too ideologically constrained.

Sometimes the Nordic countries get pointed to as a counter to the above, but the thing about those countries is that they've actually moved away to an extent from the welfare state strategy, and the high taxes lead to low birth rates which in turn leads to a reliance on mass immigration, a strategy that is now chipping away at the multi-cultural edifice.

[turiya]

I've tried...
You at least tried...

Tucker Carlson has also tried....


Super Hysterical, Incoherent, Obnoxious, Deranged
Trump Protestor: "He's MORE Dangerous Than Hitler"
(Published on Feb 22, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdTia47ZUyI

[A Voice from the Mountains]

On the other hand, I think the idea you can achieve a permanent return to equality via government control is bogus. Political maneuvering and leftist virtue signaling won't do that, while greater energy surplus and human freedom that thwarts centralized artificiality WILL. I also find much of modern leftism incredibly hypocritical and hateful.

You're absolutely right about increased prosperity for everyone being the thing that actually levels the playing field. That's what happened to the US in the early 1800s that put slavery under threat of extinction, because machine labor was undermining the traditional self-sufficiency of slave plantations and that in turn threatened the whole social order of the slave society.

What's especially hypocritical about the left is that, understanding the above, the bloated systems of government they always want to create always reduce prosperity by putting heavy tax and regulatory burdens on the free market. They do this on purpose because in reality they want a clearly-defined social hierarchy because they want to be at the top of it.


Case in point, the liberal New York Times are always riding everyone else's asses for supposed racism, sexism, etc., the usual list, and t hen they do this:

https://s16.postimg.org/sjfszwcdx/3_TWJp_N_IBT6ecea47_F7vq_RHbz_Wop4bk_Ehsq_Jowbw_YLc.png


Seems to me like a lot of projection is coming out of the left. Especially with the fascism stuff, because they are the real authoritarian thugs going around violently attacking people who don't agree with them.

[norman]

I'm sure this old video has been posted on this forum several times before but it's so on topic here that I want people to have another listen to this old Soviet defector's account of what was then going on.

If we take into consideration that the entire Soviet project was at a minimum a beta test for world domination, what this man said in this interview in the 1980s is even more important now.

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This is G. Edward Griffin's shocking video interview, Soviet Subversion of the Free-World Press (1984), where he interviews ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov who decided to openly reveal KGB's subversive tactics against western society as a whole.

Bezmenov explains how Jewish Marxist ideology is destabilizing the economy and purposefully pushing the U.S. into numerous crises so that a "Big Brother" tyranny can be put into place in Washington, how most Americans don't even realize that they are under attack, and that normal parliamentary procedures will not alter the federal government's direction.

He then explains how Marxist leaders use informers to make lists of anti-Communist and other politically incorrect people who they want to execute once they - actually a Jewish oligarchy - come to power. The oligarch's secret lists include "civil rights" activists and idealistically-minded "useful idiot" leftists as well.

Bezmenov provides several real world examples of how Marxist leaders even execute and/or imprison each other. Also he explains how American embassy employees were known to betray Soviets attempting to defect, how there existed a "triangle of hate" in the Soviet government, why he realized that Marxism-Leninism was a murderous doctrine, and how the CIA ignored (or didn't care) about Communist subversion.

He also mentions that revolutions throughout history are never the result of a majority movement, but of a small dedicated and highly-organized group who seize power, whether for good or bad. Next he explains how the American mass media spread lies about life in the Soviet Union.

Bezmenov also explains how the LOOK magazine article falsely claimed that the Russian people were proud of their victory in the Second World War, where in reality the Judeo-Bolshevik-Communist-Marxist government was happy that Hitler had been defeated so that they could remain in power.

Find out how the KGB utilized various individuals to undermine the Western society in its morals and values.

Please mirror this video! Thank you.

[turiya]

Mark Dice video...


Nancy Pelosi Reaction to Trump's
First Presidential Address to Congress
(Published on Mar 1, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zfrrESh60M

[looking-glass]

Have Liberals gone insane? (snip)

I really think many have, yes, they are long gone. They are suffering from a strange mind parasite I have termed 'ism-ist-itis'.

I saw a new 'ism' the other day. I had to look it up. Ended up on a wiki site. It shocked me (I aint easily shocked, I've been a soldier and a teacher). The amount of 'isms' in the side panel dropped my jaw.

[turiya]

Tucker Carlson interviews Attorney Eric Guster who was enraged by Trump's speech... (Eric's lawyer logic fails, imo)...


Trump's Speech To Congress Was Drafted
By Hitler? Tucker Carlson Tonight Fox News
(Published on Mar 1, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTckRzm8YKQ

[norman]

Communism, Capitalism, Fascism, Communalism, Zionism, Public/Private semantics......

All tossed up and talked about in a quicky 9 minute excerpt of conversation from 2015.

mp3:
https://app.box.com/s/mc2icv1q8f7347m04zpi9t65i1gatvmq

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Tucker Carlson interviews Attorney Eric Guster who was enraged by Trump's speech... (Eric's lawyer logic fails, imo)...

I've noticed this seems to be a universally-employed tactic of the left.

If you bring up violence committed by the undocumented/illegal immigrants pouring into western countries, whether it's cartel members coming to the US from Mexico, or Muslims pouring into Europe from the Middle East... If you bring up the violence they commit, the response from the left is "No, let's focus on bad things that white people do."

It doesn't matter what color people are, when they are not US citizens, pouring into our country by the millions and causing all kinds of problems, from economic to criminal problems. Race is not the problem there. But the left immediately spins it into a race issue by crimes committed by white people as if (1) this has anything to do with race in the first place, and (2) two wrongs make a right. It's sad that Americans have become so stupid that this has to be explained, but just because white Americans also commit crimes does not mean we have to accept non-citizens coming here and committing crimes or even just coming here and posing an enormous financial burden to legal citizens.

[turiya]

Rosie O'Donnell Loses It at Anti-Trump Rally
(Published on Feb 28, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwU4iB69I8

[Helene West]

Tucker Carlson interviews Attorney Eric Guster who was enraged by Trump's speech... (Eric's lawyer logic fails, imo)...

I've noticed this seems to be a universally-employed tactic of the left.

If you bring up violence committed by the undocumented/illegal immigrants pouring into western countries, whether it's cartel members coming to the US from Mexico, or Muslims pouring into Europe from the Middle East... If you bring up the violence they commit, the response from the left is "No, let's focus on bad things that white people do."

It doesn't matter what color people are, when they are not US citizens, pouring into our country by the millions and causing all kinds of problems, from economic to criminal problems. Race is not the problem there. But the left immediately spins it into a race issue by crimes committed by white people as if (1) this has anything to do with race in the first place, and (2) two wrongs make a right. It's sad that Americans have become so stupid that this has to be explained, but just because white Americans also commit crimes does not mean we have to accept non-citizens coming here and committing crimes or even just coming here and posing an enormous financial burden to legal citizens.

Thanks for emphasizing ‘technique’. Especially if the rogue intel succeeds in their burgeoning Obama, holder, jarrett triune movement which they seem to be preparing, these mind------- techniques will get worse.

Racism is a human phenomena and like all human phenomena it changes. Life is change. Racism has changed. The bulk of the racism today, not 50 years ago, but today, is towards whites.

Just like when the Berkeley psychos were calling innocent people fascists while they were beating them up, racists of color (rocs) are going to call whites racist while they are exemplifying racism. That is one of the most flagrant techniques today. Call someone a murderer while you are murdering them. Call them a fascist when you are preventing them from speaking or assembling.

Race is a PsyOps campaign and if whites choose to be in a constant state of emotional reaction while they read and listen to each individual incident, then they’ll have you sitting in the back of the bus at some point.

Call Out their techniques, call out black and other racists, debunk their lying Premises…Grasp Your Innocence, Make Innocence your Premise and their malicious premises will be like gnats you just shoo off you

[norman]

Rosie O'Donnell Loses It at Anti-Trump Rally
(Published on Feb 28, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwU4iB69I8



This is [civil ?] war.

That stupid woman should stop and think who she would be putting into power. It's a crying shame that she won't until it's done and all hope for humanity has been fed through the mincer.

It looks like Kiev a couple years ago. If I had the chance, I'd pop Soros myself, gladly.

Black is White and White is Black. If you haven't yet seen/listened to the interview in post 81 above, please do. It's not Soviet Russia that is the driving entity, it's the cabal who created it, and they are coming for us right now with the same method with enhancements and it's already got to stage 4.

I find myself revisiting the hypothesis I had in mind a couple months before the election. That there's a bigger strategy than this single layer of political hype and thirst for a national patriot vs. a thirst for mindless abstract universal justice.

Is it possible that Trump and his inevitable supporters were pulled ( Judo style ) beyond the punch they thought they were throwing at the cabal. Was Trump and all of us tricked into this scenario that so perfectly sets up the situation for a color revolution in the mightiest nation on earth.

I dread to envision it, but I'm beginning to see glimpses of Trump painfully and reluctantly handing back his victory 'for the sake of peace in the land'.

The pileup of forces and gear on the Russian border is making more sense to me now. In the big scheme of things, it would make perfect sense for Putin ( the first to reject globalism ) to come to Trump's aid in the coming year. He can't if there is a force ready to roll into Russia if he redirects power onto the American mainland.

It's highly likely that Trump has no control over the "US" forces lined up against Russia. The leaders of that force are probably rebels who prepared for this Trump win by breaking away and positioning themselves apart from whatever the Pentagon under Trump does. They have chosen their side and chosen the starting position they want to kick off from, right at Putin's underbelly.

It really could be a division of military forces drawing up the landscape of the first battle, or more likely a stand off to convince the others not to do anything at all but surrender to the NWO.

Trump needs time. His enemies don't intend to give him any.

[Helene West]

This Robert David Steele likes to call trump the 'accidental president'. He said he won because there are 'white hats' in the CIA that interfered with the electronic tampering of the voting apparatus with which Clinton crew robbed Sanders and they intended to do the same for the election. They didn't allow that to happen in the presidential vote. So where are these white hats now? Steele doesn't mention them further than that. Always giving us a tease....

As Norman says, take a real good look at the psyho in #89 above. that is what the globalists intend to laughingly put over us as they burn the constitution- black racists like the obamas/Holder/ellison, gentile haters like schumer and morris dees and psycho white liberals.
as I've said several times if constitutionalists and conservatives decide we have to actually do something, it won't happen or be pushed back, but we so wanted trump to do it for us so we can just watch with our popcorn and root for our home team, hah, hah....

[norman]

This Robert David Steele likes to call trump the 'accidental president'. He said he won because there are 'white hats' in the CIA that interfered with the electronic tampering of the voting apparatus with which Clinton crew robbed Sanders and they intended to do the same for the election. They didn't allow that to happen in the presidential vote. So where are these white hats now? Steele doesn't mention them further than that. Always giving us a tease....

As Norman says, take a real good look at the psyho in #89 above. that is what the globalists intend to laughingly put over us as they burn the constitution- black racists like the obamas/Holder/ellison, gentile haters like schumer and morris dees and psycho white liberals.
as I've said several times if constitutionalists and conservatives decide we have to actually do something, it won't happen or be pushed back, but we so wanted trump to do it for us so we can just watch with our popcorn and root for our home team, hah, hah....

I'm reluctant to advocate getting off our TV sofas even now. I'm pretty sure that's what they want. Any pro Trump rally will be infiltrated and fed into a firing line of crooked media. Even without infiltration, it's a duck shoot.

I think the urgent task right now is to upscale the thinking of the scenario. It's clear that the enemy has already done that and got into position. What they may not have calculated on yet, is that we step it up a notch too.

Instead of cowering away from the accusation that Trump and Putin are in cahoots. Let's go all the way and ACTUALLY BE IN CAHOOTS, and beat the bastards.

[turiya]

Man Arrested Over Bomb Threats To Jewish Groups Is Former Intercept Reporter And Anti-Trump, Bernie Voter (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/man-arrested-over-bomb-threats-jewish-groups-former-bernie-voter-and-intercept-repor)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/20170303_Juan.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/man-arrested-over-bomb-threats-jewish-groups-former-bernie-voter-and-intercept-repor)
"I voted for Bernie Sanders, but his supporters are annoying as f***. "I almost cried when I got a Bernie sign". Yuck. #DemsInPhilly"

Mar 3, 2017 11:45 AM


Russian Ambassador At The Center Of The Sessions' Scandal Visited Obama White House 22 Times (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/meet-russian-ambassador-center-sessions-scandal)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/sergey%20Kislyak.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/meet-russian-ambassador-center-sessions-scandal)
Michael Flynn, Jared Kushner, Carter Page and, of course, Jeff Sessions, they all have something in common: they all met the Russian ambassador in the US, Sergey Kislyak. Here is a look into the career diplomat behind the name.

Mar 3, 2017 11:18 AM


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[Helene West]

Norman
I'm not sure what you mean by "Let's go all the way and ACTUALLY BE IN CAHOOTS, and beat the bastards." Is that along the lines of 'the enemies of my enemies are my friends?' I wouldn't go that far.

I'm not ready to give up on the Pres yet, he is a tough SOB.
Also could it be possible that he is surrounding himself with military people because he has anticipated what the dems and the left would try to do? Maybe he has a plan to beat them at their own Coup d'etat game?

[norman]

Norman
I'm not sure what you mean by "Let's go all the way and ACTUALLY BE IN CAHOOTS, and beat the bastards." Is that along the lines of 'the enemies of my enemies are my friends?' I wouldn't go that far.

I'm not ready to give up on the Pres yet, he is a tough SOB.
Also could it be possible that he is surrounding himself with military people because he has anticipated what the dems and the left would try to do? Maybe he has a plan to beat them at their own Coup d'etat game?

If Trump is playing them, he's doing a good job of convincing me too. He looks tired and overwhelmed to me most of the time. Flyn was chipped off the block far too quick even if Trump intended him to go. I wish for good news but it's getting scarce. If he asked for the removal of forces from the Russian border he was probably told a bunch of excuses why they have to stay there, code for F-Off. There must be a bunch of top people at the Pentagon who oppose Trump and who have set up a scenario in readiness for this time.

Putin is the original anti NWO guy on the planet. The NWO side are playing a big game and Trump is at risk of playing a too small game. They are on the brink of ousting Trump. What's he going to do about it ? Stick to his nationalist red-neck stance come hell or high water, while they roll right over him ? I can see reason why he would but if he gives this chance for a real defeat of the NWO away, he's a failure and a fool.

If they stop Le Pen in France and topple Trump, what have we got left ?................. a brutally swept up failure, that's what.

[Helene West]

Norman
I'm not sure what you mean by "Let's go all the way and ACTUALLY BE IN CAHOOTS, and beat the bastards." Is that along the lines of 'the enemies of my enemies are my friends?' I wouldn't go that far.

I'm not ready to give up on the Pres yet, he is a tough SOB.
Also could it be possible that he is surrounding himself with military people because he has anticipated what the dems and the left would try to do? Maybe he has a plan to beat them at their own Coup d'etat game?

If Trump is playing them, he's doing a good job of convincing me too. He looks tired and overwhelmed to me most of the time. Flyn was chipped off the block far too quick even if Trump intended him to go. I wish for good news but it's getting scarce. If he asked for the removal of forces from the Russian border he was probably told a bunch of excuses why they have to stay there, code for F-Off. There must be a bunch of top people at the Pentagon who oppose Trump and who have set up a scenario in readiness for this time.

Putin is the original anti NWO guy on the planet. The NWO side are playing a big game and Trump is at risk of playing a too small game. They are on the brink of ousting Trump. What's he going to do about it ? Stick to his nationalist red-neck stance come hell or high water, while they roll right over him ? I can see reason why he would but if he gives this chance for a real defeat of the NWO away, he's a failure and a fool.

If they stop Le Pen in France and topple Trump, what have we got left ?................. a brutally swept up failure, that's what.

"What have we got left?" well, first trump and le pen are just two human beings. You can't put all your hopes in just two humans. As I've said several times, we didn't bargain for having to actually do something ourselves, we all wanted to watch someone do it for us...
Someone recently mentioned to me to check out, Meetup.com. Out of curiosity I went to the site. Big social website advertising all kinds of movements and social activities. The first thing you see when you go to the website besides the invitation to join and sign up is 'Resist' this Resist that against trump. It's a disease that is taking over the land... I did a search for conservative, republican, etc. there was two compared to all the resist and progressive crap... the left are only making me want to reach out to like minded people more. I did find an Ex-Liberals group which is interesting. It's reach out to others, kiddo, I mean in 'real' life or get depressed...
As far as him looking tired and overwhelmed, did you watch his weekly address today? Sounded and looked ok to me.

[norman]

Trump's address didn't impress me much, in fact it saddened me. Apart from broadcasting to the world that the US military is using old worn out crap that will take years to upgrade, he slapped on that peaked cap to hide his teleprompter reading eyes.

The reason I put so much stock in individuals is because that's how tipping point power works. If a NWO administration takes over again in America, it will matter nought how many anti NWO people hate them or have demos or anything.

The stage the NWO takeover has reached is far too late for consciousness warfare. We should have had all that done years ago before it came to this. All it will do now is create manipulable street mobs that feed the enemy.

[turiya]

Extreme Hypocrisy of the Left...

Senator Claire McCaskell
calls for Jeff Sessions to resign...
http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/images/Screen%20Shot%202017-03-02%20at%2011_49_56%20AM.png

_________________________________

Senator Claire McCaskell claims
that she never met with a Russian Ambassador
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C56zcAEXQAQcq54.jpg:small

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2012 Claire McCaskell met with Russian
Ambassador Sergey Kislyak
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C571SB6WYAEpDSq.jpg
Old photos of Russian Amb. Sergey Kislyak w/ senators, including Reed (D), Blunt (R), Landrieu (D), Wicker (R), McCaskill (D)


_________________________________

2015 Senator Claire McCaskell tweet boasting that she
will meet with British, Russian & German Ambassadors...
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/McCaskill-tweet-2.jpg


_________________________________

Brit Hume tweets the following:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/brit-hume-2.jpg

_________________________________

Senator McCaskill Met w/ Russian Ambassador
(Published March 04, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIfyNLWtUVA

[turiya]

Self-Proclaimed "Liberals"
Are Now Fawning Over
George W. Bush (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/self-proclaimed-liberals-are-now-fawning-over-george-w-bush)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
Mar 3, 2017 6:45 PM
Via Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog, (https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2017/03/03/self-proclaimed-liberals-are-now-fawning-over-george-w-bush/)



In conclusion, we need popular movements, we don’t need stupidity. If you don’t like Trump’s vision, you better have competing vision and be willing and able to articulate it. The status quo is dead. We are in a populist age, with tremendous opportunity to make the world a better place if we can take the moment and run with it. As it stands, the Democratic Party remains business as usual, and if it stays that way, will continue to lose election after election and become a increasingly irrelevant factor in American political life.

If you don’t want to be an irrelevant victim of history, the time is now to become involved in powerful political movements. This doesn’t include covering your ears, smashing windows and complaining about the Russians.

– From the post: You Can’t Resist Trump by Closing Your Eyes (https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2017/01/20/you-cant-resist-trump-by-closing-your-eyes/)
I’m not a big fan of litmus tests, but here’s one I think is entirely appropriate. If you’re a self-proclaimed “liberal” who’s suddenly fawning over George W. Bush, you’re a fraud and should probably never speak again.

Unfortunately, this most recent demonstration of mindless, unprincipled liberal “ideology” continues to make the term completely useless, and the people who use it to describe themselves, increasingly irrelevant. When you stand for nothing, you’ll allow anything, including the whitewashing of war crimes. This is precisely the direction celebrities, fake liberals and the corporate media are taking us in, and it’s no accident.

Think about it. If the public can be convinced that George W. Bush is some sort of hero just because Trump is in office, what can’t we be convinced of? If torture and the destruction of a nation based on false information can now be overlooked, what can’t be overlooked? That’s why this intentional resurrection of George W. Bush seems like a psychological operation against the American public. It’s a way of saying, who cares about the horrific crimes committed by the American elite class over the past 20 years, we have to unite against Trump and Putin! To this I say: Never.

The people who knew Trump could win all along were precisely the people most aware of the endless series of crimes commented by the American elite class against the American public. Now, the people who committed these crimes and their corporate media mouthpieces are trying to brush it all under the rug in the name of fighting Trump. They’re starting with the legacy of George W. Bush, but it won’t stop there. The country is in the state it’s in because of the elitist class, not because of Trump or Putin. If we take our eye off the ball at this key moment, all will be lost.

To give you a sense of just how deranged this whole push is, take a look at the following excerpts from The Washington Post article,
Michelle Obama Isn’t the Only Liberal Embracing George W. Bush These Days (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/03/michelle-obama-isnt-the-only-liberal-embracing-george-w-bush-these-days/?hpid=hp_hp-morning-mix_mm-bush%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5aa342eef345):

Eight years ago, amid the financial collapse known as the Great Recession, America broke up with its 43rd president with such relief it might as well have dumped his clothes on the White House lawn and screamed from an open window “get out!”

In 2008, at the close of his second term, President George W. Bush’s approval ratings had plunged to 25 percent (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx), among the lowest in presidential history next to Harry Truman and Richard Nixon. His would-be Republican successor, candidate John McCain, actively distanced himself from the Bush administration and comedians relentlessly mocked the man.

But in the first few months of 2017 and amid a book tour that landed him glowing spots on the “Ellen DeGeneres Show” (https://www.facebook.com/ellentv/videos/10155300552747240/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED) and in People magazine (http://people.com/politics/george-w-bush-breaks-down-his-affection-for-michelle-obama-we-just-took-to-each-other/?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag), Bush is at least getting a little more respect from some who deeply disrespected him.
“A little respect,” that’s putting it mildly. Ellen actually said to Bush, “I love your whole family.”

Some of the rethinking of Bush stems not from anything Bush has said or done but simply from the contrast with President Trump, a comparison bolstered by his recent appearances on talk shows and in news segments.

After the “Ellen” show posted a video of the former president joking about his inner “Rembrandt” and learning to paint, viewers flooded the comments with unexpected praise.

“A few years ago I would have rolled my eyes at the [sight] of this man, but 6 weeks of Trump makes W look like a pretty decent guy,” one woman wrote (https://www.facebook.com/ellentv/videos/10155300552747240/?comment_id=10155300757082240&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D). “Perspective is a funny thing.”

Added another: “I used to be a big critic of him and still don’t agree with much of what he did while in office. But, given who is now in office and how scary 45 is making the world, I’ve come to actually like this man.”

It was an idea comedian Aziz Ansari explored in January during his monologue (https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/aziz-ansari-standup-monologue/3457923?snl=1) as host of “Saturday Night Live,” the same show that spent years writing unflattering skits of President Bush and has since turned its humor to a new GOP target.

“George W Bush made a speech after 9/11, and it really helped,” Ansari said. “Things changed. … He said Islam is peace.”
Yes, wonderful words. Unfortunately, that’s all they were, as he proceeded to murder half a million Iraqis based on false information.

“What the hell has happened?” he said during the monologue. “I’m sitting here wistfully watching old George W. Bush speeches?’ Just sitting there like, ‘What a leader he was! … He guided us with his eloquence!’”
What the hell happened? I’ll tell you what happened. You lost your f*cking mind.

Joy Behar, the liberal on the daily talk show “The View,” noted after Bush’s comments that though she was “after” him for eight years, she just might purchase one of his paintings because of Trump.

“The thing about this,” she said, (http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-like-george-bush-now-former-president-speaking-out-against-trump-charms-joy-behar/) “is that Donald has now done something I thought he would never do. I like — I like the fact that George Bush — I like George Bush now, is what I’m trying to say. I’m having trouble saying it.”

Star Trek’s George Takei also weighed in: “You know things are bad when George W. Bush starts sounding like a member of the Resistance.”
Wrong. You know things are bad when “the resistance” is so ideologically weak and castrated it eagerly embraces George W. Bush.
At this point, I want you to watch the Ellen clip. The dancing is nauseating enough, but it’s the embrace that really sticks with you. There is a look of affection from Ellen that simply cannot be faked. It’s utterly creepy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

Moving forward, what can we do about it? I think we need to start thinking about celebrity boycotts. I’m not sure what the strategy could be though, because no one reading this actually watches The View, and the people who do are probably beyond help. So how can we strike back in a non-violent, creative way against these celebrities and their shows? I’m not sure, but if anyone has ideas, please share them in the comment section. We need to start thinking in such terms.


ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-03/self-proclaimed-liberals-are-now-fawning-over-george-w-bush)