Divided America

[bogeyman]

With the election of Trump has President the nation of the United States has been in turmoil, and the devisions within have raised there heads again in a violent and verbal way.

With the US constantly excepting new peoples from a variety of different nations, with different beliefs, cultures, attitudes it is no wonder the nation is a boiling pot of hate and devision within. Being made a US citizen doesnt automatically make you believe in the principles of the constitution, nor in the political or social constraints which vary depending on cultural different, geographic locations and so forth.

Taking what I have said into consideration it is no wonder the United States is divided, it is a melting pot of a variety of beliefs, attitudes and culturals. The world is divided into many different countries bring many peoples from these countries into a single place or country is going to take its toll has we have seen recently.

[Chester]

Being made a US citizen doesnt automatically make you believe in the principles of the constitution...

Actually, to become a US Citizen you must take the Oath of Allegiance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States))-


I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

An oath such as this should only be taken if it is meant. To mean it would be to "believe in it."

Those that would take this Oath yet not believe in some or all the words they are "saying" are defrauding themselves, the folks here in the US (as citizens or otherwise legally in the US) and the world.

I ask, is this acceptable to take an Oath such as this if you don't "believe" in it?

Would you agree to "support and defend" something you don't believe in? Should US citizens be OK that others can become citizens who do not "believe in" the tenants of this Oath?

Here is the full set of steps required to become "Naturalized" in the US -

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/files/M-1051.pdf


The current exact text of the Oath of Citizenship is established only in the form of an administrative regulation promulgated by the executive branch. However, under the Administrative Procedure Act, CIS could theoretically change the text of the oath at any time, so long as the new text reasonably meets the "five principles" mandated by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1953. These principles are:


allegiance to the United States Constitution,
renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances
defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"
promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)
promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law

[bogeyman]

Being made a US citizen doesnt automatically make you believe in the principles of the constitution...

Actually, to become a US Citizen you must take the Oath of Allegiance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States))-


I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

An oath such as this should only be taken if it is meant. To mean it would be to believe in it.

Those that would take this Oath yet not believe in some or all the words they are "saying" are defrauding themselves, the folks here in the US (as citizens or otherwise legally in the US) and the world.

I ask, is this acceptable to take an Oath such as this if you don't "believe" in it?

Would you agree to "support and defend" something you don't believe in? Should US citizens be OK that others can become citizens who do not "believe in" the tenants of this Oath?

Here is the full set of steps required to become "Naturalized" in the US -

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/files/M-1051.pdf


The current exact text of the Oath of Citizenship is established only in the form of an administrative regulation promulgated by the executive branch. However, under the Administrative Procedure Act, CIS could theoretically change the text of the oath at any time, so long as the new text reasonably meets the "five principles" mandated by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1953. These principles are:


allegiance to the United States Constitution,
renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances
defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"
promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)
promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law




Peoples that come into the United States, especially those from war zones will say anything to escape. If they are religiously minded, some place that beyond anything else including oaths of allegiance. People separate themselves in the US and many other places by tribal, cultural, religious, political beliefs systems, it may well be all good to say the allegiance binds United States citizens, has be have seen recently, it doesn't.

[Chester]

Peoples that come into the United States, especially those from war zones will say anything to escape.

In some cases, yes... and because of the virtual non-enforcement of immigration and stay permit rules the last few decades, you now get "Trumped." (and I am not saying I like this either, but its easy to see how this happened and it would be nice for the participants in this last 20 years would take some responsibility as a first step).



If they are religiously minded, some place that beyond anything else including oaths of allegiance.

Regarding religion, this has been addressed and carved out. But also it should be understood that if someone interprets their religion such that they must adhere to and impose "law" that their religion has created, and that law is supposed to have standing above the established laws of the land they immigrate to, that, to me, seems illogical and dangerous.



People separate themselves in the US and many other places by tribal, cultural, religious, political beliefs systems, it may well be all good to say the allegiance binds United States citizens, has be have seen recently, it doesn't.

Apologies but I did not understand this last part.



I wish to add - I am fortunate to have traveled some of the world where I have experienced a "country" where dozens of cultures have found ways to celebrate their own cultures while living together in ways that support the ability to raise each and every citizen's and resident's and visitor's personal experience of life. The only complaint I have is that their lives are so "tranquila" they move at a pace described as "island time" which frustrates an impatient "gringo" like me. Perhaps in a case such as this, it is I who have the opportunity to grow.

[bogeyman]

Peoples that come into the United States, especially those from war zones will say anything to escape.

In some cases, yes... and because of the virtual non-enforcement of immigration and stay permit rules the last few decades, you now get "Trumped." (and I am not saying I like this either, but its easy to see how this happened and it would be nice for the participants in this last 20 years would take some responsibility as a first step).



If they are religiously minded, some place that beyond anything else including oaths of allegiance.

Regarding religion, this has been addressed and carved out. But also it should be understood that if someone interprets their religion such that they must adhere to and impose "law" that their religion has created, and that law is supposed to have standing above the established laws of the land they immigrate to, that, to me, seems illogical and dangerous.



People separate themselves in the US and many other places by tribal, cultural, religious, political beliefs systems, it may well be all good to say the allegiance binds United States citizens, has be have seen recently, it doesn't.

Apologies but I did not understand this last part.



I wish to add - I am fortunate to have traveled some of the world where I have experienced a "country" where dozens of cultures have found ways to celebrate their own cultures while living together in ways that support the ability to raise each and every citizen's and resident's and visitor's personal experience of life. The only complaint I have is that their lives are so "tranquila" they move at a pace described as "island time" which frustrates an impatient "gringo" like me. Perhaps in a case such as this, it is I who have the opportunity to grow.

There is also the question of the blame game it is a dangerous and continuing one, each can easily blame groups based upon views, religious belief, race, geographic location as to place of birth. This leads to ideologically separation including ideology like Nazism, communism. Ultimately the problem is the human species itself, it doesn't see it self has a species but as nationals of different countries, which in turn is beliefs created by mankind itself, hence where the real problem lies...and that is one that the human species cannot solve currently and has been an on going affair for thousands of years. Indeed some cultures have learned to live together realising more binds us than separates us, but with the mechanisms of politics and economics which man created it can cause division has history has shown us.

[Helene West]

Speech about HYPHENATED AMERICANS!

Excerpt from a speech to the Kights of Columbus in 1915, link below to the speech -
http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/05/teddy-roosevelt-no-room-in-this-country.html

“...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities..."

and guess what he was called at the time - Progressive! lol

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Sorry, I forgot to say it was Pres. Theodore Roosevelt... in my above #6. (not awake yet)

[Chester]

Most of those who make it a "blame game" appear to be either quite swayed by those who know how "divide and conquer" works, are the sellouts to those who desire the divided result or are the "fully devoted to being divided and who see themselves superior" elite.

Based on what I just experienced, an individual who has never held any political office defeated both the witting and the ignorant who are sucked into this blame game, defeated a media in cahoots with those who wish to create division for their own gain, and suddenly become President of the United States where he and those aligned with the goal to be free of all this may actually defeat the imposition of the agenda desired by this elite that is behind it all.

His lack of seasoning (and thus his unfettered remarks) doesn't help unite yet it has played a significant role in forcing to the surface the very forces he just defeated in an election and whose strength is in serious jeopardy (the Democratic Party's ongoing implosion into permanent demise) - and this gets us closer to the full exposition of the shadow factors behind it all.

We shall see.

[Chester]

Specifically to bogeyman - If anyone has read enough of my own posts here on PA, they know one thing and one thing above all about Sam Hunter. Sam Hunter places first and foremost one's own responsibility as an individual's very most important part of one's being especially in relation to all others in a shared reality.

Why I write about Sam Hunter is because I can only speak for myself. But having done so, I am leading to the point that I do not believe I am alone in this regard. Thus to say essentially that the human species itself, doesn't see itself as a species but as nationals of different countries, which in turn was created by mankind itself, hence where the real problem lies...and this is the problem that the human species cannot solve currently and has been an on going affair for thousands of years puts all humans in the same box, a box I and many others do not fit within.

[bogeyman]

Specifically to bogeyman - If anyone has read enough of my own posts here on PA, they know one thing and one thing above all about Sam Hunter. Sam Hunter places first and foremost one's own responsibility as an individual's very most important part of one's being especially in relation to all others in a shared reality.

Why I write about Sam Hunter is because I can only speak for myself. But having done so, I am leading to the point that I do not believe I am alone in this regard. Thus to say essentially that the human species itself, doesn't see itself as a species but as nationals of different countries, which in turn was created by mankind itself, hence where the real problem lies...and this is the problem that the human species cannot solve currently and has been an on going affair for thousands of years puts all humans in the same box, a box I and many others do not fit in.

I refer to the human species has a collective, it does not apply to all but generalities, as one person I cannot take into account every single human being here on this planet some can see beyond all the division and respect each other as physical and spiritual beings, but many do not, hence why the world is like it is, it could be said we are in a minority has to our views and beliefs, and the majority see themselves as "nationalities" or conditioned to believe in such, some are more influenced that others.

[ghostrider]

Driven by propaganda from msm , the division seems to grow everyday, so much hatred, common sense is not so common anymore ...

[Yetti]

Yes SAM , This is MY country now , and I will help with all my heart to make tis a nation to be followed, as an example ! My children will grow here and is my dutty to provide the best future possible for them.

[Frankie Pancakes]

Post#4

Sam Tranquilla es muy importante for all of us at this point in time.

[Chester]

Post#4

Sam Tranquilla es muy importante for all of us at this point in time.

Tranquilidad es mi gol... para todos. La problema es nadie quiere tomar responsibilidad para el situacion tenemos hoy. Hasta que tomemos la responsabilidad, nunca llegaremos a soluciones viables porque estaremos evitando las causas que primero deben ser admitidas, lo que ocurre cuando la gente se limpia.

Tranquility is my goal ... for everyone. The problem is no one wants to take responsibility for the situation we have today. Until we first take responsibility, we'll never get to viable solutions because we'll be avoiding the causes which must first be admitted to, which happens when folks come clean.

Si llegar a estas verdades requiere un poco de "sacudir", la alternativa de pretender que todo es "tranquila" puede muy bien condenar a nuestros hijos e hijos ... un riesgo que yo personalmente no puedo soportar.

If getting there to these truths requires a little bit of "shaking up," the alternative of pretending everything is "tranquila," may very well condemn our children and children's children... a risk I personally can't take.

[Frenchy]

'scusi ! not sure if this is the best place for this article -

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=64878 Obummer & 'husband'


http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=64873 As with Thalidomide, and the deliberate contanimation of Polio vax with Cancer cells, tptb use every option available...


[ at any rate, we can share the site as a source, for comment if it is reliable ? ]

[Chester]

'scusi ! not sure if this is the best place for this article -

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=64878 Obummer & 'husband'


http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=64873 As with Thalidomide, and the deliberate contanimation of Polio vax with Cancer cells, tptb use every option available...


[ at any rate, we can share the site as a source, for comment if it is reliable ? ]

Thank you for sharing this website with me...

As for the Purple Revolution, look at the outfit worn by Hillary at her "concession speech" -

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Also, I have seen a Luciferian "society" that uses the colors purple, black and white.

Such is life on planet Earth in early 2017. I have just reached another milestone of revelation... realizing I have more effective things to do with my time... perhaps its break time.

[eaglespirit]

Such is life on planet Earth in early 2017. I have just reached another milestone of revelation... realizing I have more effective things to do with my time... perhaps its break time.

Time to break into the Now...Oneness Consciousness spreading its' wings around Mother Earth, moment upon moment upon moment!
...the "box" has opened : )

[Baby Steps]

There is a divide, and how it plays out is partially determined by the cultural and political demographic.

What is happening globally in developed societies is depletion of the Rural economy and hollowing out of industrial areas. Population migrates to the big city and joins the melting pot. There, their kids are exposed to a dynamic, multi cultural, liberal ,permissive culture. One that evolves, changes and constantly produces new fusions. It's great.

In this mechanism you see the retreat of the conservative view point. This is the back drop to Trump's victory, in other words the conservative rural people will probably never again have the weight to achieve what they did. Couple this with the fact that the business and tech worlds are extremely pro immigration, and I suspect that Trump is clever enough to know that properly regulated high volume immigration is a key ingredient needed to economically revitalise the country.

Trump's adminstration is a 'last hurrah' for these values and the next generation of conservatives will have to be more inclusive.

In terms of Divide, conquer, and conflict, then, the focus needs to be on the left. THEY as individuals need to do better!

We have at the moment a liberal youth so inflamed by echo tunnel meme IDENTITY POLITICS. They have forgotten what the priorities on the left should be. It is laudable to talk about one group getting the same rights as another and defeating prejudice. That is OK, but it is not a substitute for a true left agenda. The left was hijacked by people who talk about girls believing in themselves, rather than how to increase economic justice. The individual voters need to increase their discernment, in order to avoid the scenario where a Corporate/Banking Warmonger who talks about fairness but is actually about anything but gets into power.It is these liberal youth who I am concerned about because they are the future, and they are being misled, radicalised etc.

[Tinman]

I am sick to death of people pushing forth articles that equate pedophiles and sexual perverts with homosexuality. As a gay man, who I can guarantee is not a pedophile or a sexual pervert, I am continually astounded that this forum, which is supposedly enlightened, would rally around these kinds of thoughts.