Swedes brought Templars to MN to hide ancient treasures in 1342...

[Rocky_Shorz]

https://www.runestonemuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/runestone.jpg

Last night History Channel had an amazing story on the Templar stone found in Minnesota over 100 years ago...

I had a dream after watching it, my relatives had lived in the area as far back as anyone could remember only a day from where the stone was found, in the dream I remember looking at this small simple well, knowing something amazing was within...

The Templars were being chased down by the Catholic Church, prosecuted and killed for their belief in a female God.

This shocked me because I talk through her, the Holy Spirit all the time... Why would the Catholic Church not want people talking to God?

Under Temple Mount considered to be the Holiest spot on earth, Ancient Treasures carried out of Egypt by Moses and buried, were recovered by the Templars...

They say they were sent with the last of the Templars to hide for eternity to keep them away from people in power that would use them for evil.

in Every Templar Church a special hole is cut that lights up the church on the Winter Solstice...

This year, is the Lunar Eclipse on Winter Solstice...

Light Warriors, the moment is coming to raise up your swords...

I have a feeling truths that have been hidden for eons are about to be revealed...

[shadowstalker]

It's old I saw this a few a year or two ago (History Channel), but glad it made it to the forums.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm amazed I had never heard of it before...


now thinking back to when I was a child and visited the old farm seeing that well makes me really want to go back again...

one of the stones around the well had a small circle with a cross...

I remember running my fingers over it...

[shadowstalker]

I make a habit of watching the History Channel, and Science Channel and Discovery Channel,
The history channel usually has marathons during the day on certain subject on certain days. this past week seemed to be Hitler.
At night they have their regular series stuff.
Try checking out History Channel.com for listings and scheds. you can find a lot of really kewl stuff. then go to either youtube or google to watch what you want, you can learn real fast when you do that.
I myself would real love to put all that stuff on dvd and not have to pay the high prices they want.

[Swami]

https://www.runestonemuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/runestone.jpg

Last night History Channel had an amazing story on the Templar stone found in Minnesota over 100 years ago...

I had a dream after watching it, my relatives had lived in the area as far back as anyone could remember only a day from where the stone was found, in the dream I remember looking at this small simple well, knowing something amazing was within...

The Templars were being chased down by the Catholic Church, prosecuted and killed for their belief in a female God.

This shocked me because I talk through her, the Holy Spirit all the time... Why would the Catholic Church not want people talking to God?

Under Temple Mount considered to be the Holiest spot on earth, Ancient Treasures carried out of Egypt by Moses and buried, were recovered by the Templars...

They say they were sent with the last of the Templars to hide for eternity to keep them away from people in power that would use them for evil.

in Every Templar Church a special hole is cut that lights up the church on the Winter Solstice...

This year, is the Lunar Eclipse on Winter Solstice...

Light Warriors, the moment is coming to raise up your swords...

I have a feeling truths that have been hidden for eons are about to be revealed...

Gotte linky to this episode...?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was just looking around on you tube, this is a must see and most likely part of Wiki's release according to the picture...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpdJZijvRM

This is parts of it but not exactly the same as what they were showing last night...

They did a lot of research over the past few years that added substance to what at first was just claims...

like the Holy Grail letters have been found in the stone...

[Rocky_Shorz]

The recent discovery of the Chinon Parchment in the Vatican Archives appears to absolve the Templars from charges of heresy that were levied on them at the time of their suppression on Friday, October 13, 1307, and by which they have been labeled in the centuries since. Copies of this document were published in 2004

Templar Legends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_legends)

http://asv.vatican.va/immagini/doc/A.A.,Arm.D,217.jpg

[Snowbird]

Gotte linky to this episode...?

Here you go! I'm watching it as I write this.

holy grail in America part 1 of 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWHtFfJNZsk&annotation_id=annotation_185311&feature=iv

[Ba-ba-Ra]

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Last night History Channel had an amazing story on the Templar stone found in Minnesota over 100 years ago...

I had a dream after watching it, my relatives had lived in the area as far back as anyone could remember only a day from where the stone was found, in the dream I remember looking at this small simple well, knowing something amazing was within...

The Templars were being chased down by the Catholic Church, prosecuted and killed for their belief in a female God.

This shocked me because I talk through her, the Holy Spirit all the time... Why would the Catholic Church not want people talking to God?

They say they were sent with the last of the Templars to hide for eternity to keep them away from people in power that would use them for evil.

in Every Templar Church a special hole is cut that lights up the church on the Winter Solstice...

This year, is the Lunar Eclipse on Winter Solstice...
...

Rocky, the reason the Catholic Church doesn't want you talking directly to God is because then you might find out that much of the dogma they have been preaching isn't truth. Also, their power lies in the fact that they have convinced their congregation that THEY have the direct line to God's ear, not you.

As for the full lunar eclipse on the Winter Solstice - this hasn't happened since the year 1378. Whether the moon is hollow or not. Whether the moon is artificial or not, it does effect our tides and since we are something like 70% water, it also affects us. The moon has always been associated with emotions and eclipses with emotional releases. This could be a great opportunity for Planet Earth to release: pain, hurts, grudges, or people or thoughts from our lives that no longer serve us in a positive way. A wonderful new beginning, if we are willing to take the opportunity.

[Rocky_Shorz]

that is strange the last Lunar Eclipse was at a time between 2 voyages to America for the Templars...

[Ahkenaten]

I thought lunar eclipses were relatively common, we will be having one shortly and there will be a couple, I think in 2012. I could be wrong about that though.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

that is strange the last Lunar Eclipse was at a time between 2 voyages to America for the Templars...


As your quote says:................coincidence or Destiny, so little lies between!!!!!!!!

In the book The Spear of Destiny, one of the many themes it deals with is people reincarnating at a time to come back and deal with things they set in motion centuries before.

[Rocky_Shorz]

what makes this one so rare is it is a "Blood Red" eclipse... on the Winter Solstice - on the night of a full moon...

every circle of stones in the world line up to this moment...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I have chills running up my spine...

It's like the what am I here for moment is about to be revealed...

I have the Templar's gifts from both sides of my family

[Celine]

I thought lunar eclipses were relatively common, we will be having one shortly and there will be a couple, I think in 2012. I could be wrong about that though.

These particular circumstances have not been seen in 456 year

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I thought lunar eclipses were relatively common, we will be having one shortly and there will be a couple, I think in 2012. I could be wrong about that though.

Lunar eclipses aren't rare. BUT a full lunar eclipse on the winter solstice is rare - and add to that a full moon!

[Snowbird]

Evidently, these two History Channel episodes about the Templars were made before the episode of the Templars being in Kensington, MN.

Decoding the Past: The Templar Code Part I: Crusade for Secrecy (1/5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohaOOzv89f4&feature=related

Decoding the Past: The Templar Code Part II: Quest for Templar Treasure (1/5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5b6oSCLNCg&feature=related

The map alignments in this video are outstanding.

Templar Treasure Map?: Curious Alignment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CvDKivmI5o

Sacred Geometry of the Great Lakes? (short version): Curious Alignments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_868533&v=m431tsRV6c8&feature=iv

Scott_Wolter_1 (Kensington stone lecture-sections 1-8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_202125&v=Bs8xG4EtSHI&feature=iv

[bluestflame]

http://www.crusades-history.com/Knights-Templar.aspx

"
The first of the military orders, the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, widely known as the Knights Templar, was founded in 1118, in the aftermath of the First Crusades, to help the new Kingdom of Jerusalem maintain itself against its defeated Muslim neighbors, and to ensure the safety of the large numbers of European pilgrims who flowed towards Jerusalem after its conquest.

Organization - Knights of Templar
The Knights Templar were organized as a monastic order, following a rule created for them by Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian Order. The Knights Templar were well connected and quickly became prime movers in the international politics of the Crusades period. In time, they were endowed with several extraordinary Papal bulls (see Omne Datum Optimum) that permitted them, among other things, to levy taxes and accept tithing in the areas under their direct control, facilitating their quick rise to institutional power.

There were four divisions of brothers in the Templars:

- the knights, equipped as heavy cavalry;
- the sergeants, equipped as light cavalry and drawn from a lower social class than the knights;
- farmers, who administered the property of the Order;
- the chaplains, who were ordained priests and saw to the spiritual needs of the Order.

At any time, each knight had some ten people in support positions. Some brothers were devoted solely to banking, as the Order was often trusted with precious goods by participants in the Crusades."

[bluestflame]

http://www.sbs.com.au/films/movie/3741/The-Accursed-Kings/type/review/id/4839

"This five-part mini-series set in France in 1307 stars the Depardieu clan (Guillaume, Julie and Gérard). Tonight, the death of King Louis X Le Hutin intensifies rivalries, with different factions fighting over the regency. Mahaut sides with Philippe the Tall, but his absence from Paris leaves a clear way for Charles de Valois, supported by Robert d'Artois, to claim the regency. Rumours about Mahaut's murderous schemes begin to surface. "

the acursed kings gives an interesting portrayal of the events and the churches role backed by the king in false accusation for financial domination ( the kingdom was nearly bankrupt)

I watched this miniseries a while ago lot of interesting triggers for me

[KosmicKat]

The History Channel is a good starting point, but don't give them too much credit. I've known them to come up with some real howlers (major mistakes). If you see something that grabs your interest, do your own research, the internet is a wonderful tool but check those facts. And don't neglect old-fashioned paper books - Google Books has done wonderful work in digitizing many texts now out of print and otherwise only available through university libraries.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm curious, if you knew the well where the Templars hid an ancient treasure, how would you move forward?

I guess I could contact history channel to do a documentary...

[Snowbird]

I'm curious, if you knew the well where the Templars hid an ancient treasure, how would you move forward?

I guess I could contact history channel to do a documentary...

Personally? I would contact Scott Wolter who lives here in MN. This guy appears to be trustworthy. See my post before this post on this thread.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was thinking he was working with the History Channel, but he would be a perfect place to start and I'm sure if he has ever been in contact with any "modern day" Templars that he could make the contact...

after seeing this, now I'm wondering if the Egyptians traveled to Arizona or if this was another trip hiding egyptian artifacts by the Templars...

so many interesting secrets...

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Minnesota is known as the land of 10,000 lakes ( see license plates) things could be hidden anywhere. so beautiful and a heavy Nordic population....interesting

[Louis]

The runestone of Kensington, MN has nothing to do with this story of Templars and hidden treasure in Minnesota.
You can read the historical facts on that page : http://www.kensingtonmn.com/runestonepg.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

you are still looking at old info from 2 years ago and not what was recently uncovered in this story...

are you a Mason?

[Rocky_Shorz]

This one is a year old and I won't be able to confirm until this evening if it is the right one...


In 1898, a Minnesota farmer clearing trees from his field uproots a large stone covered with mysterious runes. Now known as the Kensington Rune Stone, it details a journey of land acquisition and murder--in the year 1362. Thought by some to be a hoax, new evidence suggests it could be real, and a clue that the Knights Templar discovered America 100 years before Columbus, perhaps bringing with them history's greatest treasure...The Holy Grail. See how symbols on the Rune Stone match Templar ruins all over Europe. History tells us the Templar were massacred on Friday the 13th, but that a Templar fleet allegedly containing treasure was last seen off Scotland in the late 1300s. Stones with similar markings as the Rune stone have been found on islands across the Atlantic Ocean, as well as in Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. Is it possible the Templar were leaving clues to an incredible journey to the New World?

Holy Grail in America (http://stagevu.com/video/scdxqcsgdftp)

[Swami]

Bloodline - the movie - trailer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44x52Yvhefs

That movie gave me the bumbs.......

[MariaDine]

Thanks for the History videos ! :)
My next posts are coments corraborating what is just sugested in those videos. We are beginning to have, each day,more proofs that will require the rewriting of World History.
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A big chunck of the treasure was already in Portugal and it was used in the launch of the portuguese seaproject to discover »new» lands to the West beyond the Atlantic Ocean.


http://www.achetudoeregiao.com.br/portugal/portugal.gif/monumento_descobrimento.jpg


One of the brothers of the King was the chief of the project. He was a Templar.

[MariaDine]

http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/26/2615/2SQVD00Z.jpg


Rose or Wind Compass, Fortrees of Sagres, Cape St. Vincent, Portugal - This Wind-Rose belongs to the School Of navigation founded by that Templar (in Portugal they were name the Order of Christ Knights - Cavaleiros da Ordem de Cristo

[MariaDine]

Columbus was married to the daughter of Bartolomeu Perstrelo, the chief astronomer and cartographer of The Navigation School of Sagres, the center of sea navigation project.
Perestrelo was also a Master of the Order of the Knights of Christ.

.........small world , wouldn't you say ??? :)

...I forgot to say, we have maps that show the land of Brasil, with the date of 1389 !!!!!

[str8thinker]

If you want the whole program, here's a link to Immortalseed's torrent (http://www.alivetorrents.com/torrent/2993650/history-channel-holy-grail-in-america-720p-hdtv-x264-dhd-immortalseed).

[MariaDine]

http://www.causamerita.com/charolatomar.jpg

Templar round construtions are present in Portugal and Spain This one is from Portugal - date XII century

... and there other 3 in Spain.

[Ross]

Lunar eclipses aren't rare. BUT a full lunar eclipse on the winter solstice is rare - and add to that a full moon!

I witnessed a full luner eclipse/full moon/fully blood red...28th August 2007...just wasn't on the solstice.

[Beth]

Found a blog with all parts of the Bloodline movie. I've watched about half an hour so far, it's pretty good LINK (http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/bloodline-the-movie)

[Snowbird]

If anyone is interested in an additional interpretation, which incorporates some really explosive theories, check out the works of Ralph Ellis. He has several interview segments on Conscious Media Network.

Not only are his theories eye opening, but he has strong research proof to go with. This is definitely not reading for the religiously oriented.

http://www.edfu-books.com/books.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

The amazing thing about the well at the old farm house, was the building beside it...

a typical farmhouse until the timbers rotted...

it had 2 lvls of basements, and more amazing water level is 12-15 feet, the bottom was dry, the walls made without cement...

I have someone snowmobiling out to take a look today...

[Snowbird]

The amazing thing about the well at the old farm house, was the building beside it...

a typical farmhouse until the timbers rotted...

it had 2 lvls of basements, and more amazing water level is 12-15 feet, the bottom was dry, the walls made without cement...

I have someone snowmobiling out to take a look today...

RS, is there someone living in that farmhouse or on that land? What does a double basement look like? Was the top level a living space and the bottom level more for storage?

Didn't you mention a well on this property? All these questions.......:happy:

[Rocky_Shorz]

The snowmobilers confirmed no one is living there, nothing has changed since I was last there by the sound of it...

the floor and roof boards were still there and had broke through the floor whether there are other lvls under the two, I had never considered before, but it is possible.

just sitting waiting to be found I guess...

[Swami]

Found a blog with all parts of the Bloodline movie. I've watched about half an hour so far, it's pretty good LINK (http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/bloodline-the-movie)

Did you finish the movie........?
What are your thoughts on it......?

[Beth]

Did you finish the movie........?
What are your thoughts on it......?

Yep, I finished. I thought it was pretty interesting, but I'd like to research it more, but with it being holiday time I haven't gotten a chance. What did you think?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Manitoba was the origin of Freemasons in Canada... another hint...


A notice appeared in the December 3rd, 1881, issue of the Edmonton Bulletin requesting a meeting be held at McDougall hall to organize a Masonic Lodge. There were twenty-two Masons in attendance.

On January 13th, 1882, the Grand Lodge of Manitoba granted dispensation for the formation of a Masonic Lodge to be known as Saskatchewan Lodge and numbered 17 on the register of the Grand Lodge of Manitoba, and so the first Masonic Lodge in western Canada outside the boundaries of Manitoba came into existence.

There were thirteen charter members.

The population of Edmonton at that time was less than 1000.

Saskatchewan Lodge #17 was instituted on February 13th, 1882 and consecrate on April 21st, 1883.

Saskatchewan Lodge held regular meetings and social events which were the social highlights of early Edmonton.

The shifting of the population at that time was not conducive to the growth of a Masonic Lodge, as a result, hard times fell on Saskatchewan #17. They fell behind on their Grand Lodge dues, but later paid them.

A gala ball was held in 1886 and only fifteen Masons were present.

Also in 1886, there were not enough Past Masters to conduct an installation, so the Grand Lodge of Manitoba issued a dispensation to Bro. Donald Ross to confer degrees and transact business for the Lodge until a required number of Past Masters could perform an installation ceremony.

On January 11th, 1888...
link (http://www.saskatchewan92.org/component/content/article/40-articles/46-first-masonic-lodge-outside-the-boundaries-of-manitoba)

Saskatchewan is where the Canadian Stonehenge is located, I was looking for hints of Freemasons close by when I found this article...

[Rocky_Shorz]

can this get a bump to the archeological section?

[slvrfx]

I became a part of quite the adventure about 8 years ago, which resulted in my discovering information about the Templars in Utah, in connection with the Aztecs and a huge 'repository of Templar treasures up in the Uintah Mountains.

Anyone can discover much verified info in a book by Kerry Boren, called, "The Gold of Carre Shinob". He has a second book which is all about the possibility of Templar artifacts and engravings in stone, and also the likelihood of one of the Arks of the Covenant being in Utah. This book is entitled, "The Ark of the Covenant".

He wrote a third book that connects all of this to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, entitled, "The Utah Gold Rush".

Boren has a deep, rich history within a multi-generational family that has strong links to Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, and also has in his own family tree, one Issac Morley, who was Brigham Young's right-hand men.but is also an expert genealogist and historian.

(Okay folks, don't think you can become instantly rich by becoming 'gold-diggers', for this area in the Mountains is considered to be Holy Ground and is heavily guarded by the Ute Indians.)

[Rocky_Shorz]

the Grand Canyon of Arizona has a section closed off to the public filled with Egyptian artifacts from around the world... I've always wondered if Templars went in search of that treasure...

[Rozzy]

They act surprised but there is hard evidence that remains today from voyages much earlier than this one. In Ontario Canada there is a record of a Nordic king carved in stone that dates to 1700 B.C. and he was not the first.

(Bronze Age America by Barry Fell)

[Rocky_Shorz]

from what I understand, the Templars went to the Vikings because they knew of America knowing they could disappear in the wilderness...

I wonder if Ruins will show up in the west and east showing Claim to America was first the Vikings, not England...

do you have a link talking about the Nordic King?

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Tanumshede_2005_rock_carvings_5.jpg/794px-Tanumshede_2005_rock_carvings_5.jpg

Templar Cross Beings on an ancient Rock Carvings in Sweden?

this is said to be gods fighting and notice the pointy faces like the Egyptians gods?

anyone wonder if those two knew where the grand canyon is where the egyption artifacts were seen?

[Rozzy]

Rocky_Shorz

I do not have a link but Barry Fell wrote some very interesting books on the ancient history of America. Barry Fell was a professor at Harvard University who had a keen interest in epigraphs, petroglyphs, etc.
His books that I am familiar with are; America B.C. Saga America, Bronze Age America, there may be others but those are the ones I have.
Prof. Fell went against the Chris. Columbus crowd and was subjected to ridicule from his contemporaries but over time his evidence and arguments just gained strength. Fell was thorough and methodical, traveling abroad to places like Libya and others to consult with the people who would be familiar with some very ancient languages and traditions. He presents a lot of evidence and information that has been either overlooked or purposely avoided.

"Bronze Age America" is the book you will find the Nordic King of 1700 B.C.

[slipknotted]

the templers were the black ops of their day which means they worked for the TPTB back in their day, they covered up are true history for same agenda that goes on till this day.

[RedeZra]

History tells us the Templar were massacred on Friday the 13th, but that a Templar fleet allegedly containing treasure was last seen off Scotland in the late 1300s.

Henry I Sinclair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_Sinclair,_Earl_of_Orkney) (c. 1345 – c. 1400) Baron of Roslin and Earl of Orkney was a Scottish nobleman and the grandfather of William Sinclair 1st Earl of Caithness the builder of Rosslyn Chapel

Henry I Sinclair was allegedly a Templar who voyaged to North America in the late 1300s and supposedly landed on Nova Scotia and perhaps buried a treasure there in Oak Island

[Rocky_Shorz]

they had an interesting way of protecting the ships at night from raiding Indians. They chiseled into rocks along the shoreline, circular and the end coming to a point.

angled perfectly so the tug of a boat wouldn't pull it loose, but someone stepping on the rope would release the peg pounded into the hole.

one of the ships cut loose, dropping the rope and leaving the peg that had been pounded into the rock...

that's when we noticed 12-15 holes in other rocks stretching along the shoreline...

[Lord Sidious]

Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?

[Rocky_Shorz]

earthquake...

Location 45.884°N, 95.465°W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles) set by location program
Region MINNESOTA

location (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Kensington,+MN&daddr=45.8839+-95.4653&hl=e&geocode=FV-EugId4cpL-il5oENVijjKUjFv414zZLDN_w%3BFfwhvAIdrFBP-g&mra=ls&sll=45.544831,-95.586548&sspn=1.835027,3.532104&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11)

[TWINCANS]

The most in depth material on this topic has been done in my opinion by Toronto researcher Michael Bradley. His 3 part series of books are called
1/ Holy Grail Across the Atlantic-The Secret History of Canadian Discovery and Exploration" (1988)
2/ Grail Knights of North America - On the Trail of the Grail Legacy in Canada and the United States" (1998)
3/ Swords at Sunset - last Stand of North America's Grail Knights" (2004)

In this series Bradley outlines his many infield discoveries, including being taken to see existing remains of a 14th c. 'castle' in Nova Scotia, as well as his 'speculations' about settlements by Prince Henry's remaining 400+ Knights Templars. He traces their descendants' spread from Nova Scotia to NY state, Vermont area, ending with settlements along Lake Ontario and throughout the Niagara region. In his opinion the finally tally was about 13,000 descendants, until they were assimilated or massacred about 250 years later. (DNA findings among natives in the area does actually prove some mixed race lineage with Scandinavian markers.)
He also links the Mormon bible with the settlement. Jospeh Smith was among the many 'treasure hunters' in the Vermont area. The writings he later used in his bible apparently have eerie echos to ancient templar writings.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well the reason I brought that earthquake up is because of the name of the city it happened in... Alexandria...

I was interested in Nova Scotia to find out what they left behind in MN 30-50 years before and if that stop was on their way home or a second party searching to find the first...

Why would the Templars have any interest in Egypt... ;)

There is a secret to their well burials...

[Rocky_Shorz]

this is interesting located by Athens, GA...


The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs... link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Georgia_guidestones.jpg/220px-Georgia_guidestones.jpg

Earthquake in Georgia next to Sparta...

the halfway point between the Guidestones and the earthquake... You pass through Washington... ;)

maplink (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Elberton,+GA&daddr=33.2405+-82.7728&hl=e&geocode=Ffd-CAIddIwP-ylR3W-ids33iDEw-uDkVvce5Q%3BFbQ1-wEdwPwQ-w&mra=ls&sll=33.422272,-82.803955&sspn=2.186808,3.532104&ie=UTF8&ll=33.67864,-82.740784&spn=1.090207,1.766052&t=h&z=9)

The Earthquake location... 33.240°N, 82.773°W

33 degrees again...

while you are at the Map, notice where Roswell is located...

I love this business name...


information about ET Electric Co Inc in Roswell GA including contact information

[TWINCANS]

This thread caught my eye because I have ancestry here as well. But also I returned to the writer I earlier mentioned and read his new website:

http://michaelbradley.info/

On it he says he will be returning to these inquiries (the Nova Scotia landing party and their fate) and casually mentions a list of early NA explorations/settlements. In his list is the following reference;

The Danish-Portugese Powell Knutson Expedition of 1362.

Shouldn't your thread title read 1362 (that's the date on the History channel piece not 1342)? if so then it is possible that the 1362 expedition was explorative for the later Nova Scotia party. The theory is that many Knights Templar sailed from Portugal to Scotland when fleeing the presecutions, stayed for a while with Prince Henry and then on to the New World. I think Michael Bradley might be the one to ask. he seems to have more info than he put on his website.

[KosmicKat]

In this series Bradley outlines his many infield discoveries, including being taken to see existing remains of a 14th c. 'castle' in Nova Scotia, as well as his 'speculations' about settlements by Prince Henry's remaining 400+ Knights Templars. He traces their descendants' spread from Nova Scotia to NY state, Vermont area, ending with settlements along Lake Ontario and throughout the Niagara region. In his opinion the finally tally was about 13,000 descendants, until they were assimilated or massacred about 250 years later. (DNA findings among natives in the area does actually prove some mixed race lineage with Scandinavian markers.)
He also links the Mormon bible with the settlement. Jospeh Smith was among the many 'treasure hunters' in the Vermont area. The writings he later used in his bible apparently have eerie echos to ancient templar writings.

I am now unreasonably excited! As a resident of Vermont, I was only alerted a few months ago to the widespread fieldstone constructions that occur throughout the New England region of the northeastern United States, and have observed at firsthand fairly long stretches of drystone walling, sometimes along country roads, but also in abandoned wilderness. Why were these drystone walls erected? and by whom?

[Rocky_Shorz]

This thread caught my eye because I have ancestry here as well. But also I returned to the writer I earlier mentioned and read his new website:

http://michaelbradley.info/

On it he says he will be returning to these inquiries (the Nova Scotia landing party and their fate) and casually mentions a list of early NA explorations/settlements. In his list is the following reference;

The Danish-Portugese Powell Knutson Expedition of 1362.

Shouldn't your thread title read 1362 (that's the date on the History channel piece not 1342)? if so then it is possible that the 1362 expedition was explorative for the later Nova Scotia party. The theory is that many Knights Templar sailed from Portugal to Scotland when fleeing the presecutions, stayed for a while with Prince Henry and then on to the New World. I think Michael Bradley might be the one to ask. he seems to have more info than he put on his website.

I mistyped when I started the thread, if a mod has time could you please change it?

that is what I am really curious about if Nova Scotia was a second trip by those who made the first adventure or someone looking for the first.

Sounds like Black Plaque wiped out a majority that traveled on the first trip, after burying the rune stone, they returned to find everyone was dead...

did the Vikings know of something the Templars wanted to keep secret?

[MariaDine]

A big chunk of the Templars tresure came to Portugal. It financed the sea travels to India (going around Africa) and to Brasil.

C. Columbus was marrired to a the daughter of the Chief Astronomer(Knight of Christ Order -new name of the Templar Order) of the King of Portugal and F.Magalhães who went for the first time around the globe was, also , portuguese.

Namasté

[Pagan]

Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?

Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.

[TWINCANS]

The things about the 'Vikings' is that the word itself is somewhat misleading. The Scandinavian society was far flung, from Norway , Sweden, Gotland etc. to Iceland, to Scotland to Normandy. The Sinclairs themselves were 'Vikings' in their case they were Danes. Their name used to be More or Moore until they changed it to the name of the river in Normandy they had conquered.
To go 'a viking' was to go on a raiding adventure (the word was a verb) usually lasting an entire summer sailing season. The 'boys' used to go 'a viking' if they needed to cheer up from fighting with their wife all winter in the sod hut, or to expand their income.
Also many Vikings went on the crusades (one of my Norwegian king ancestors did) even fought alongside Knights Templars, indeed likely even joined the order. The 'Vikings' overran Scotland, so who's who here?
As to Prince Henry Sinclair, he took his maps from 2 Portugese brothers.

Sorry that should read Venician brothers. It's years since I looked at this interesting material.
"The record of this voyage is called the "Zeno Narrative" by most historians because it originally consisted of letters written by Sinclair's navigators Niccolo and Antonio Zeno of Venice, to their brother Carlo "The Lion" of Venice. " (from 'Swords at Sunset' by Michael Bradley)

[Pagan]

10 000 y ago the ice age ended, and the ALTLANTiS (all the land ice)period also ended so the aser-people left odenma as the iceage came to its end, sliding down the arcipelago of todays Scandinavia and Finland and that brought down Odenma and Hel, down to the bottom of the Finish golf(this was the second ragnarök). They filled a big boat(that they crafted, as they knew what was going to happen)with all domestic and wild animals that has evolved and created under the altlantis-period(iceage) and sailed to Gotland(in the east sea). And waited there for the ice to finish off. After 1000 y in Gotland they went back to Odenma(south of Finland) and then Sven and Dan two brothers from the Aser people, left with their. Followers. They established the "Vi King" System.(Vikings) The decendants of Sven is the Swedes, Norwegians, Islandic and the Scottish. Dan's decendants are the rest of the the north european people(arctic people) Whilst the main line returned to Odenma and populated the northern hemisphere all the way to the Pacific.

10 other brothers from the Aser kingline left to travel to different corners of the world. They're still known in the mythologies of those cultures. One very famous is Gotama Buddha. One other is Quetzalcoatl...

So the knowledge and the maps existed and Columbus got his hands on those maps. The church ofcourse spread the idea of a flat earth and the danger of falling down the edge, to prevent any journeys out of the control of the new belief system.

[Kamikaze]

Pagan.

Where did you gather this from? I would like to know more about this story. Got any sources and such I could visit to read more at?

[TWINCANS]

Any idea which Queen of Norway?

[TWINCANS]

Re: in the dream at the opening of this thread:
"The Templars were being chased down by the Catholic Church, prosecuted and killed for their belief in a female God."

Found some info that is close - but maybe it was a kindred group to the Knights Templar - heretical Greenlanders fleeing the catholic church. A voyage was ordered in 1354 by a zealous orthodox Catholic off-with-their-heads type ruler named King Magnus Eriksson of both Sweden and Norway, in search of 7000 missing Greenlanders.

Leif Eriksson had brought Christian priests to Greenland in 999AD, but there are records of Celtic and Cathar Christians in the north since 700Ad so Leif's could easily be this kind of rebellious Old Religion believers who worshipped the Goddess over god(s). The settlement was loosely Christian but pretty much left alone by Rome for centuries.

The inhabitants were discovered missing when their tithes to Rome stopped suddenly, and the pope sent out a priest, Ivar Bardson, to investigate. They just 'disappeared' about 1340. Bardson's report said they went 'advertent genestem'. This could mean 7000 of them 'went native' (unlikely because they would have overrun the native population and turned all the Eskimo's complexions white, their hair blond and eyes blue) or that they had become heretics in the Cathar style - followers of the Holy Bloodline the Holy Grail as in Mary and Jesus' family aka the Merovigians, Albigensians etc.

Icelandic annals say the last 'Markland' (Vinland aka Labrador, Canada) ship came into Reykjavik harbour in 1347. Probably because the group fled permanently.
Laurence Gardiner's 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail' gives genealogies of Jesus' line through most of the northern noble houses.

So back to the Kensington stone of Minnesota. The inscription refers to 8 Gottlanders and 22 Norwegians. Gottlanders were known to be in the bodyguard of the King Magnus Erikson, and his letter expressly orders the Paul Knutson expedition to include them. It set sail in 1355 probably, went to Greenland, on to Vinland and pushed further west to Lake Superior.

So this 'offical' expedition could very easily be the ones responsible for the stone, which would have taken some effort to carve, as they might have wanted an official report, and permanent proof they had searched to please this fanatical king.

Where the settlers ended up is anyone's guess but it is highly likely that POrince Henry Sinclair knew all about this settlement and the search party before he left.
When he landed in Nova Scptia he first thing he did was send 100 soldiers on a scouting trip. Before they had even set up camp. So what or who was he looking for?

[toothpick]

Great thread Rocky, man what fantastic history story.
It all lays out like a really good historical mystery adventure novel.
But this one plays out in our own backyard.
The infomation is just overwhelming and keeps on coming, everyhing like,
Vikings discovered america 1000 AD, maybe earlier, maybe frequent journeys. Wow man.
The infamous Fri. 13 slaughter of Tempar knights by a coward Pope and an ambitious King, they didn,t kill all of them.
Remaining Templars were last seen with 3 ships off Scotland.
Thought to have made their way to america with substantial treasure.
Now it gets interesting because they leave all kinds of carved stones all aver central ,eastern north america.
My favorite one, the map stone. On it were carved the sign for good land,
a fish, a duck, a deer, a bow and arrow, a human in a canoe and a native face, extrodinary.
This was found near the heartland of America. If that doesn,t get your curriosity juices going nothing ever will.
The Newport Tower seems to be fashioned after a Cambridge round church, absolutely medieval construction.
Everything else from Templars turning into masons, to, sacred geomtry, just fantastic History,All very interesting.
Also I would have to agree with "My Lord" who asked why everyone seems to think the Holy Grail is a cup, or something.
I don,t know too much aout it , but I believe the holy chalice refers to the female womb. The mother of all human life.
Anyway, great thread, lots of new infonation that I should have known already.
Thanks rocky-shores , thanks "My Lord".

toothpick

[Rocky_Shorz]

isn't it amazing as all of this is unfolding?

I've been on another search back from the Cymry, that leads from UK to Spain... then to Kenya and Atlantis... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19509-Arthurian-Dynasty-In-Search-of-the-Prince-of-Wales-%28Cymry%29&p=209410&viewfull=1#post209410)


I didn't see that one coming...

it is a small world...

[Lord Sidious]

Great thread Rocky, man what fantastic history story.
It all lays out like a really good historical mystery adventure novel.
But this one plays out in our own backyard.
The infomation is just overwhelming and keeps on coming, everyhing like,
Vikings discovered america 1000 AD, maybe earlier, maybe frequent journeys. Wow man.
The infamous Fri. 13 slaughter of Tempar knights by a coward Pope and an ambitious King, they didn,t kill all of them.
Remaining Templars were last seen with 3 ships off Scotland.
Thought to have made their way to america with substantial treasure.
Now it gets interesting because they leave all kinds of carved stones all aver central ,eastern north america.
My favorite one, the map stone. On it were carved the sign for good land,
a fish, a duck, a deer, a bow and arrow, a human in a canoe and a native face, extrodinary.
This was found near the heartland of America. If that doesn,t get your curriosity juices going nothing ever will.
The Newport Tower seems to be fashioned after a Cambridge round church, absolutely medieval construction.
Everything else from Templars turning into masons, to, sacred geomtry, just fantastic History,All very interesting.
Also I would have to agree with "My Lord" who asked why everyone seems to think the Holy Grail is a cup, or something.
I don,t know too much aout it , but I believe the holy chalice refers to the female womb. The mother of all human life.
Anyway, great thread, lots of new infonation that I should have known already.
Thanks rocky-shores , thanks "My Lord".

toothpick

Funny you mention templars and ships.
They had the largest merchant fleet of all time.
Where did their ships go?

[Lancelot]

http://www.crusades-history.com/Knights-Templar.aspx

"
The first of the military orders, the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, widely known as the Knights Templar, was founded in 1118, in the aftermath of the First Crusades, to help the new Kingdom of Jerusalem maintain itself against its defeated Muslim neighbors, and to ensure the safety of the large numbers of European pilgrims who flowed towards Jerusalem after its conquest.

Organization - Knights of Templar
The Knights Templar were organized as a monastic order, following a rule created for them by Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian Order. The Knights Templar were well connected and quickly became prime movers in the international politics of the Crusades period. In time, they were endowed with several extraordinary Papal bulls (see Omne Datum Optimum) that permitted them, among other things, to levy taxes and accept tithing in the areas under their direct control, facilitating their quick rise to institutional power.

There were four divisions of brothers in the Templars:

- the knights, equipped as heavy cavalry;
- the sergeants, equipped as light cavalry and drawn from a lower social class than the knights;
- farmers, who administered the property of the Order;
- the chaplains, who were ordained priests and saw to the spiritual needs of the Order.

At any time, each knight had some ten people in support positions. Some brothers were devoted solely to banking, as the Order was often trusted with precious goods by participants in the Crusades."

The given history of the Templars is well known.
It is the secret hidden history surrounding the Templars and the treasure of Solomon which is most intriguing.
Many book have been written on the subject but a good place to start is the Holy Blood and The Holy Grail and The Templars and the Ark of the Covenant. The truth is out there and I hope that we will know a lot more about it very soon, hopefully triggered by this coming Winter solstice full moon eclipse.

[TWINCANS]

[
Funny you mention templars and ships.
They had the largest merchant fleet of all time.
Where did their ships go?[/QUOTE]

You mean the ones flying the 'jolie rouge' better known as the Jolly Roger?
http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/alternative/secret/templarflag.html

[TWINCANS]

Many book have been written on the subject but a good place to start is the Holy Blood and The Holy Grail and The Templars and the Ark of the Covenant. [/QUOTE]

I love Graham Phillips books! He nails it so clearly. Columbus, Robin Hood, Arthur, Moses, Mary Magdelen etc etc. Did you see when he found a piece of what could be the Ten Commandments tablet in a dyke in Warwickshire? Another find that's never to be heard of again - he gave it to 'experts' to analyse.

[Lord Sidious]

You mean the ones flying the 'jolie rouge' better known as the Jolly Roger?
http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/alternative/secret/templarflag.html

Interesting angle.
Thanks for that one, never heard of that before.
Got any more info on it?

[TWINCANS]

BTW about Vermont and the Henry Sinclair settlements - the theory is that they first set up in Nova Scotia (Henry was the Glooscap in MicMic indian legends) but quickly moved inland, either up the St John River through New Brunswick and portaged to the St Lawrence River and to the Great Lakes. Or along the seacoast and up the big rivers ie Connecticut River, Hudson River, Susquahanna River. They found ruins of a mill in Vale Perkins (Magog Mill) dated to the period and lots of artifacts (a Sinclair coat of arms carved on a rock, a gargoyle head carving, in the Green Mtns on the shores of Lake Memphremagog, thought to have been the site of the biggest settlement until the next settlement at Seguna and then onward to Welland, Ontario. Also a rune stone near Lake Champlain.

But why were the Knights Templar here? To relocate the grail story to the new world for safety. But once there it (the order, the family, the Holy Blood etc) had to be moved again.Two connections make that fit.
1/ In the Holy Blood Holy Grail, Berenger Saunier was supposedly to take the parchments he found in 1891 to the Seminary of St. Sulpice in Paris, founded in late 1630's by Jean-Jacques Olier - one of the two founders of Montreal in 1642! (Saunier painted the Crist child in tartans in his church)
2/ Pousin's 1641 'The Shepards of Arcadie' painting shows 3 men and a woman all of whom were likely the founders and backers of Montreal. Thus Poussin was saying ' don't worry the grail will besafely shepherded to a new haven'. ie from Acadia to Montreal. They were intended to oversee the develpoment of French North Amrica for the grail order.
BTW only 100 years ago, over 90% of the entire private wealth of Canada was centred in the 1 square mile around Mount Royal on Montreal. Seems they succeeded.

[TWINCANS]

You're right. It's conjecture. The only 'factoid is that apparently the Skull and Bones became a Masonic symbol and it can be found on certain tombstones of Scotland. Not to mention a very well known club of baby illuminati's.
From another chat site " The Skull and Crossbones is a symbolic emblem used in the living resurrection rituals of the Freemasons, which, it is said, portray, albeit in a symbolic sense, the actual death and symbolic resurrection of the original Master Mason, Hiram Abif, perhaps more unusually known as the Egyptian king, Seqenenre Tao."
But the main link is made in 'The Hiram Key' by Knight & Lomax and that's not too substantiated.

Another comment:
"However, one maritime historian, Mr. Ed Foxe, has made an in-depth study of pirate flags and contends that while the “Templar theory” is not a bad theory, quite attractive in fact, it does have one major flaw. There is no documentation to show that the skull and crossed bones were ever actually used as a Templar symbol. According to Mr. Foxe, the origin of the Templar theory seems to be a book called "Pirates and the Lost Templar Fleet," by David Hatcher Childress.
Mr. Foxe notes that while the skull and crossed bones certainly appear on some Templar graves, it also appears on hundreds and hundreds of other, non-Templar, graves from the medieval period to the 18th century. It was a symbol of mortality and death, but was never ever specifically associated with Templars. Nor did it ever fly from any ship known to be in the Templar fleet. "

But it could just be another urban myth.


ADDITIONAL: The theory has followers with a 2005 book originally published in Spanish, English version published 2007, called The Templar Pirates.

[MariaDine]

Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?

Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.

WOW !!!....I want to see That map. Where is it ?

From what I know, Templars were in Portugal since the begining. The kings of Portugal were all Templars. Astronomy and cartography were protected activities . They were linked to the royal family members, usually the second sons studied and searched for maps. For example, at that time XIV century, the brother of the King D. Duarte, the Duc D. Pedro traveled around Europe and even further, to get maps for the Royal House.

Ps. In Portugal we know the secret of the grail, but nobody pays attention....LOL...everybody is to busy making up stories...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySY-oRL1IQ

Fátima - Santuary of Maria.
In the place where the water is , there is a light energy tunnel that goes up into the sky.
Namasté

[thunder24]

please share the secret
peace

[Pagan]

Pagan.

Where did you gather this from? I would like to know more about this story. Got any sources and such I could visit to read more at?

My intention is to give out the whole story here, sometime in July. It's very complex. There is also a website hosted by a friend of mine: www.bocksaga.de It is the story of our origin, from the first humans, the paradise time, when the whole planet were one family, the poleshift, iceage and Altlantis period, how the 13 races( 3 arctical and 10 tropical) came to be and how the religions took over and the final destruction of Asgård, Odenma, Ringarike Hel. Also the idea of the hollow earth is explained and what it is.

[MariaDine]

Very good site, the www.bocksaga. ! Thank you for posting it , Pagan ! :)

Namasté

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbeVAPbgaWg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

MORE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbeVAPbgaWg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[TWINCANS]

I look forward to your post .

[MariaDine]

A Christopher Blonde (Columbus ) born in Hyen, west of Norway, that previously, in 1477, from Grenland would have made a pre descovery. The violent situation that existed between Sueden and Norway, would have made him run away and establish himself in Génova , Italy. That's the thesis formulated in 1991, by the norwegian Tor Borch Sannes, but he doesn.t give any proof.

[TWINCANS]

Fascinating. I've not heard about that one. Certainly his rise to prominence makes no sense logically. There must be a story and a few writers have put forward theirs. The most interesting idea I read, and this is only from memory so I'm a bit vague, was that he set sail with a no priest (very odd!) and 2 ships full of the Knights Templars' Jewish bankers that needed to leave quickly. Didn't he leave the day after the order was disbanded or arrests were made or something? Anyways apparanetly later the Spanish in the carribean kept asking why more Jewish bankers kept arriving when they needed settlers and workers.

[MariaDine]

April 29,1492, the day Columbus received authorization to equip his fleet, was also the day the Edict of Expulsion was publicly announced in several of the larger Spanish cities .The scheduled date of sailing, August 2, was also the deadline for Jewish departure. Scores of vessels, with thousands of Jews packed into their holds, congested Palos de la Frontera, the maritime inlet of the Gulf of Cadiz. Well, ...there are no coicidences...LOL

Ps. There were no official Templars in Spain. They went to the Order of Calatrava. And also to the Hospitallers (also known as Knights of St John of Jerusalem or Chevaliers of Malta).

[MariaDine]

http://www.hilaryshepherd.com/rantsnraves/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/columbus-cartoon.jpg

http://www.offthemarkcartoons.com/cartoons/1999-10-11.gif


LOL :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

The rise and fall of the Templar Order constitutes a fundamental and decisive episode in medieval history, and the destruction of the Order constitutes a pivotal point that fundamentally altered the direction of society. While much is known about the history of the Templar Order in France, home of its chief commandery in Paris, and in the Latin States of the Middle East, their contribution to events on the Iberian peninsula has until now remained obscure and unexplored.

Renowned Templar scholar Juan García Atienza reveals here the important role the Templars played in the Reconquista that saw the Moors driven out of Spain and demonstrates the great influence they exerted in the kingdoms of Castille and Navarre and the territories of Catalonia and Aragon. He examines the mysterious connections between the Templars and the Cathars and troubadours as well as the mystery surrounding the location of all the Templar enclaves in the Iberian peninsula. He also unveils the important role the Templars had as teachers of the Spanish king James I, known as the Conqueror, whose attempt to establish a universal theocratic empire may have been a reflection of Templar ambitions, and explores the Order’s suppression in Spain and how it survived in Portugal by simply changing its name... link to book (http://www.amazon.com/Knights-Templar-Golden-Age-Spain/dp/1594770980)

thanks to taking a close look at the Iberians and the buildings they created in Spain, they were there...

[Gustav]

Have a look at any pic of Columbus's ships.
What is that on the sails? Why is that? Who gave him the maps to the Americas?
Oh and why do you guys assume the grail is a physical object?

Columbus got the maps of americas from the Queen of norway. Vikings travelled the shores long time before.

WOW !!!....I want to see That map. Where is it ?

From what I know, Templars were in Portugal since the begining. The kings of Portugal were all Templars. Astronomy and cartography were protected activities . They were linked to the royal family members, usually the second sons studied and searched for maps. For example, at that time XIV century, the brother of the King D. Duarte, the Duc D. Pedro traveled around Europe and even further, to get maps for the Royal House.

Ps. In Portugal we know the secret of the grail, but nobody pays attention....LOL...everybody is to busy making up stories...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySY-oRL1IQ

Fátima - Santuary of Maria.
In the place where the water is , there is a light energy tunnel that goes up into the sky.
Namasté

Do you mean the charters from the Turkish admiral Piri Reis (http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/piriries.htm)? The site also offers some insight although it is purely aimed at debunking anytime. For example the mention of piri reis himself that he had copied those maps from much older ones.

[MariaDine]

The map descriptions of Piri Reis indicate that some of his source maps date from the time of Alexandre, the Great (332 a.C.). Piri Reis , himself left a register in the map saying thtat he made it based on a collection of old maps and that he suplemented it with maps made by Colombo.

[MariaDine]

A treat !
People get stuck in Piri Reis and forget Oronteus Finaeus - 1532

http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Antarctic/oronteusfinaeus.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map-heart-054.jpg

[Gustav]

Nice one MariaDine, but even Oronteus Finaeus is not the only one not to be forgotten. There are numerous cartographers that drew continent quite accurately that were not (fully) discovered yet. I'll try and find it again on the internet, but I have seen also chinese maps (from my memory around 1400/1500 also) on which the whole world is depicted including the edge of antarctica or the whole of antarctica. Although they could have been influenced by early middle-eastern travelers or just had the knowledge still lying around.

But in general, if you pay attention than it is obvious neither colombo nor the sultan that took off a few years before him were sailing in the blind. Rather well documented: http://www.jannah.org/articles/precolumbus.html or accounts of the discovery of america before columbus. Also provided good stories: http://jempolan07.multiply.com/journal/item/101

Considering these stories of vikings, muslims, cymri, roman, egyptian, phoenician and chinese discoveries of the americas I certainly believe that it is very possible that templars moved precious cargo out of the reach of false replacements of god (read the pope and the church) and power (read the french ruling monarchistic family at that time)

[Pagan]

I'll recommend this book for you to read: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL1449373M/Westward_before_Columbus very interesting, indeed.

Also, Visit my Bock Saga thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20048-The-Bock-Saga

[Cartomancer]

I have discovered some amazing things with regard to the Kensington and Verendrye Runestones. Both the location of the discovery of the Kensington and Verendrye stones have a unique relationship with the Inernational Peace Garden on the border of the US and Canada. All of this links in and fits perfectly with the theories of both Louis Buff Parry and Scott Wolter. The International Peace Garden may be the site of an Axis Mundi left by the same Swedish Templars who left the Kensington Rune Stone. This Axis pointed the way to both stones. There is evidence that the Verendrye party had knowledge of the Axis and used it to find the Verendrye Runestone. The fact that the Newport Tower also points to the Kensington runestone supports my theory. It would take a book here to fully explain but watch this video for a more in depth analysis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E4FkqXg-gQ

[Rocky_Shorz]

thanks for sharing that, another important piece of the puzzle...

[Cartomancer]

Since my last post I have found out so much more. I believe I have a strong probability of being correct here. Check this movie out that i made. It explains why the Georgia Guidestones were placed where they are and many other mysteries as well. This goes way beyond what I found in the last video. I also have a full article at survivalcell.blogspot.com Here's the new movie:

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[Rocky_Shorz]

Bumped for Reference of the Vatican Secret Archives

[Rocky_Shorz]

Whatever became of the Norse settlements in Greenland that disappeared in the 15th century? Zoë Robert caught up with archaeologist Orri Vésteinsson as he was preparing to lead an excavation in Greenland to unearth the truth...

http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/upload/images/features/greenland_gardar_ps.bmp

The Vikings settled in Iceland in 874 but it wasn’t long before they set off to explore new lands. Around the year 985, just over a century after arriving in Iceland, Icelanders migrated to Greenland where they established two colonies (known as the Eastern and Western Settlements) on the uninhabited southern-most tip of the island. They were led by Erik the Red, who had been exiled from both Norway and Iceland for murder. The Eastern Settlement, at Garðar, was situated at the head of the long and deep Igaliku fjord and lies within what is today the village of Igaliku, population 55. The site was perfectly located near a natural harbor and, according to archaeologists, was well suited to grazing and fodder production, unlike much of Greenland where arable land is sparse.

Leif Erikson, who is credited with discovering North America, was the son of Erik the Red, and according to the Sagas, he set out to convert Greenland to Christianity, despite his father’s opposition. Garðar became the religious heart of Norse Greenland during the Middle Ages, with the establishment of a bishopric in the 12th century. The remains of a church and other buildings dating back to those times have been discovered in the area, and a number of archaeological excavations have been carried out at the Viking age site.

The colony, described in the Saga of the Greenlanders as a thriving settlement, seems to have existed until the mid-15th century, but archaeologists have been struggling to find out exactly what happened to the 2,000 to 5,000 individuals that made up the settlement...

link to story...

this looks like an interesting one to watch... from Greenland to Canada and Minnesota with the Templars...

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I wonder if he would be a good one to pass the info on location of the sunken Viking ships in Minnesota...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I guess someone else noticed the stones below my Grandpa's cabin...


He dated the Greenlanders' fall away from Christianity to 1342, and claimed that they had turned instead to America. Supporters of a 14th century origin for the Kensington runestone argue that Knutson may therefore have travelled beyond Greenland to North America, in search of renegade Greenlanders, most of his expedition being killed in Minnesota and leaving just the eight voyagers to return to Norway.[24]
However, there is no evidence that the Knutson expedition ever set sail (the government of Norway went through considerable turmoil in 1355) and the information from Cnoyen as relayed by Mercator states specifically that the eight men who came to Norway in 1364 were not survivors of a recent expedition, but descended from the colonists who had settled the distant lands, generations earlier.[22] Also, those early 19th century books, which aroused a great deal of interest among Scandinavian Americans would have been available to a late 19th century hoaxer.
Hjalmar Holand had proposed that interbreeding with Norse survivors might explain the "blond" Indians among the Mandan on the Upper Missouri River,[25] but in a multidisciplinary study of the stone, anthropologist Alice Beck Kehoe dismissed, as "tangential" to the Runestone issue, this and other historical references suggesting pre-Columbian contacts with 'outsiders', such as the Hochunk (Winnebago) story about an ancestral hero "Red Horn" and his encounter with "red-haired giants".[26]
[edit]Geography


The situation of Kensington
A natural north-south navigation route—admittedly with a number of portages round dangerous rapids—extends from Hudson Bay up Nelson River (or the Hayes River, as preferred by early modern traders from York Factory[27][28]) through Lake Winnipeg, then up the Red River of the North. The northern waterway begins at Traverse Gap, on the other side of which is the source of the Minnesota River, flowing to join the great Mississippi River at Minneapolis. One of the early Runestone debunkers, George Flom, found that explorers and traders had come from Hudson Bay to Minnesota by this route decades before the area was officially settled.[29] Supporters of the stone's authenticity argued that the 1362 party could have used the same waterway.[30] This idea is based on Scandinavian voyagers sailing the rivers from the Baltic sea down to Istanbul during the Viking age, but this ignores that different ship types were used to cross oceans and to sail on rivers. The boats that are small enough for portage are not suitable for open sea voyages.[31]
[edit]Other artifacts?
This waterway also contains alleged signs of Viking presence. At Cormorant Lake in Becker County, Minnesota, there are three boulders with triangular holes which are claimed to be similar to those used for mooring boats along the coast of Norway during the 14th century. Holand found other triangular holes in rocks near where the stone was found; however, experimental archaeology later suggested that holes dug in stone with chisels rather than drills tend to have a triangular cross-section, whatever their purpose.[32] A little further north, by the Red River itself, at Climax, Minnesota, a firesteel found in 1871, buried quite deep in soft ground, matched specimens of medieval Norse firesteels at the Oslo University museum in Norway.[33] link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone)

using fish finders, we crossed over the shapes of big ships sunken in the silt...

now Wiki talks of an expert debunker in Viking ancient language, but she wasn't a Templar...

8 survived the trip and returned to Norway...

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm pretty sure there is treasure buried underneath the spot where I want my garden.

But seriously, this is a fun story to read (especially as I am in Minnesota.)

Dennis

[Rocky_Shorz]

they said the Colony was a day's travel from where they buried the stone...

I saw an old well next to a cabin out snowmobiling one day and didn't recognize it at the time, but it had the Templar Cross made from Rock on the side of the well...

they have been digging a well on an Island Templars and Vikings stayed at for a while, maybe it is hidden in a Well...

this farm house had 3 level basement dug down into the ground... water table in the area is 12 feet, stone walls, with no leaks...


we might never know...

[Rocky_Shorz]

this video is a great addition to the story...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P6SWY8Ulak&feature=player_detailpage

I found one of the 5 parts so they weren't deleted after all...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I see they found a Viking Government Building in Scotland, so it wasn't just Ireland they were a part of...


Viking 'Parliament' Discovered Beneath Parking Lot in Scotland

A Viking parliamentary site that dates to the 11th century has been found beneath a parking lot in Scotland.

The site, located in the town of Dingwall, Scotland, was dubbed a "Thing" site, referring to its name in antiquity. Like other Thing sites, this one was likely a place where ancient Norsemen gathered to settle legal disputes, uphold laws and make key political decisions.

"It's a fantastic find, really," said Oliver J. T. O'Grady, the director of the site's excavations and an archaeologist who runs an archaeological consulting firm called OJT Heritage. "No one's had dating [information] from a Thing site in Scotland." http://www.livescience.com/40674-scotland-viking-parliament-spot-found.html

Mods could you change the thread title to 1372? thx

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There is longstanding association between natives of the Iberian Peninsular and the "new world". See the book "America BC" by Barry Fell for evidence that the Phoenicians established trading posts in the Gulf and up the Mississippi before the time of Christ, and these trading posts were people by Iberian Celts who remained.

As for comments along the line of "Holy Grail in the USA". Of course, as it is everywhere, for the Grail is the human heart.

[Billy]

Paul started a thread a while back also. Maybe merge them. I added interesting information from the Scottish connection. Hendry Sinclair.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59768-Scott-Wolter-the-Kensington-Runestone-the-Knights-Templar-and-American-Indians

have a read.

[GreenGuy]

a full lunar eclipse on the winter solstice is rare - and add to that a full moon!

Just for clarification...lunar eclipses ONLY happen during a full moon.