Different Views of the Afterlife

[Justplain]

I want to explore two different views of the afterlife and what bridge can be built between the two. The first is the research of Michael Newton of regressed patients under hypnosis. The second is the views of three works, two of channeling that seem to correlate, by Phylon and Jane Sherwood, and Yogananda’s account.

1. Michael Newton’s ‘Journey of Souls’ and ‘Destiny of Souls’:
- Hunger, pain, jealousy and hate die with the body
- Souls congregate in soul learning groups
- Each soul has a spirit guide and council of elders to advise
- Souls have pear shaped light bodies that can take the form of past incarnations on Earth
- Souls are birthed in a special area
- Souls can view and choose the body + life for their next incarnation.
- Souls are in training for a multiple of various roles, such as being future guides, healers, new soul caretakers, timemasters, inter-dimensional travel guides, animal spirit caretakers, etc.
- Souls train on how to create mineral, vegetable and animal life forms as well as larger entities like planets and suns.
- Souls have soulmates that are in their soul groups.
- Souls can have incarnations in either sex, although younger souls 75% of the time incarnate continually as the same gender, older souls are androgynous.
- Souls don't spend a lot of years between incarnations (most might be a few hundred)
- Souls spend thousands of incarnations on Earth and almost always return immediately to their spirit group upon death, unless they need special healing, which can be in a ‘fantasy realm’ if needed.


2. Phylon’s ‘Dweller on Two Planets’, Jane Sherwood’s ‘Post-Mortem Journal’ and Yogananda’s ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’:

a) Phylon’s account:
- The afterlife is a series of planes on different planets in the solar system
- When he died in Atlantis, his spirit saw his astral body which was a separate consciousness, and that astral body interacted with a psychic person still alive who showed it how to incinerate itself
- His spirit after death kept a human form, went to a plane that was constructed to allow him to ‘integrate’ his life lessons
- Phylon spent 12000 years integrating and healing before his next and final Earth incarnation
- After his last incarnation he ‘developed’ a body on Venus on another vibrational plane after passing a temptation test, after which where he was re-united with his soul mate / other half.

b) Jane Sherwood:
- T.E. Lawrence awoke after death on a spirit plane with other people in human form
- People of similar attitude gathered together in places, he migrated to a community that had a university
- Hunger and pain don't exist in this plane
- People could learn separately or in large groups, such as learning to do things together such as guiding a boat to its destination
- When he wanted to go somewhere he just wished where he wanted to go and his legs would run rapidly to wherever he wanted
- When a person passed from this spirit world, they would go to bed under a blanket, then their body would start glowing brightly until it finally faded away without a trace. The departed spirit could return to visit his friends, but quickly returns to his rarified new home sphere.
- Sherwood doesn't cover karma or reincarnation much, if at all.

c) Yogananda’s account:
- In a vision Yogananda met his deceased master who showed him where he now lived
- The deceased master was a ‘saviour’ on a highly advanced world in the spirit realm, where he helped the residents there graduate to a higher plane.


3) Similarities, Differences and Possible Reconciliations:

a). Similarities
- People’s spirits survive death
- Hunger and pain disappear with death of the body
- Karma affects our incarnations (except Sherwood’s account)
- Reincarnation occurs and is for our spiritual maturing process.
- Souls can have soulmates and soul groups (Newton’s and Phylon’s account seem to agree on this).

b) Differences:
- Newton’s work indicates all souls return to their soul group, in a spirit school like setting, with support from a spirit guide and council of elders
- Phylon, Sherwood and Yogananda all indicate our spirits go to an intermediary spirit level in human body form and can go to a different place than a learning school after death.
- Sherwood and Yogananda don't emphasize or mention soul groups
- Newton’s souls don't decease on one level to pass to another, whereas it appears the other 3 accounts indicate this process occurs.
- Newton’s account emphasize souls can choose to be either gender upon incarnation, and older souls are androgynous.
- Phylon, Sherwood and Yogananda don't discuss the issue of soul gender selection, but imply or state that females should be treated as equals to males.

c) Reconciliation:

The main reconciliation i can make of the differences is in the clue given by Phylon when he indicated his astral body survived death but had a separate consciousness than his soul. This explains Sherwood’s account the astral person spontaneously combusts and how Phylon’s astral was incinerated. However Sherwood does mention that a departed spirit can return for a visit to a spirit plane it has departed from. I believe Yogananda's account indicates the spirit body passes in some form to higher levels. However Phylon’s soul did not migrate to a soul school that Newton describes. So this is the largest inconsistency between these accounts.

I believe the treatment of gender issues by Newton’s account show a more in depth review of the topic. Some people i have heard who recount past lives mention spending lives in bodies of the opposite gender as the current life.

I tend to think that Newton’s work may be dealing with a higher level of our being, since it was a direct communication with the higher self of hundreds of patients. And, his clients' stories have a consistency and complexity that one would expect. Newton’s account says that our souls only send a portion of their energy to Earth for each incarnation, so it may be that Phylon/Sherwood/Yogananda’s accounts of the afterlife are describing intermediary stages of the afterlife as the soul fragment from the most recent incarnation makes its way back to the soul home realm. And time in the spirit realm is not as on Earth, so the time it takes for a soul fragment to return to its higher self may not be long in soul 'time'. This appears as a plausible explanation for these discrepancies.

For sure, all these accounts reflect an exotic afterlife for humans, one that will be intriguing to investigate once we shed this mortal coil.

[Noelle]

Thanks for the analysis! I think it would be interesting to take it further to include other perspectives, like from Robert Monroe or Tom Campbell, both who spent a lot of time out of the physical dimension.

After I learned how to self-induce out of body experience, I made up a list of goals, things that I wanted to accomplish while out of body. One goal I had was to re-connect with my paternal grandmother, who had passed a few years prior. It took some time and a whole lot of intent focusing, but I made it to her twice, with several months between these experiences.

In the first, she was as I remembered her as she was in her late 50s or early 60s and living in a beautiful high-rise apartment building in some city that I don't believe exists in our physical dimension. She greeted me at the door of her apartment and was very excited to see me. Then she gave me the grand tour of her new apartment, which was spotless, just like she kept her last apartment, the one she lived in before she moved into an elder care facility (she had dementia).

The second time I encountered her - again, months later -- she was standing on a street corner in some dark, drab city. I did not make contact with her or speak to her; it seemed as if some force prevented me from that. I was only allowed to hover over her. Though limited to hovering, I could see what she looked like - and she appeared nothing like the woman I knew. She was a young woman, perhaps in an entirely new life and body.

Do I believe in reincarnation, or that we experience different lifetimes? Yes, though I am leaning more and more toward the idea that we live our lifetimes simultaneously.

[Justplain]

Interesting, LadyM. Sounds like your grandma is in the realm described by the latter 3 accounts in this thread. I think Newton's work is with the highest level of our higher self and that our personality-from-this-life soul fragment has to go through some process to assimilate back to the higher self soul. That makes the most sense since Newton's work shows a lot of detail and hangs together very well.

By the way, my aunt (now passed) saw my grandma's spirit in her kitchen just after she passed. Grandma looked just as a young woman. I hear that is often the case, that the spirit looks like their younger body after passing, like you saw yours.

Two things:
- please add accounts of any other sources of the after life you would like to this thread
- how did you induce your out-of-body experiences, if you care to disclose?

[Noelle]

Interesting, LadyM. Sounds like your grandma is in the realm described by the latter 3 accounts in this thread. I think Newton's work is with the highest level of our higher self and that our personality-from-this-life soul fragment has to go through some process to assimilate back to the higher self soul. That makes the most sense since Newton's work shows a lot of detail and hangs together very well.

By the way, my aunt (now passed) saw my grandma's spirit in her kitchen just after she passed. Grandma looked just as a young woman. I hear that is often the case, that the spirit looks like their younger body after passing, like you saw yours.

Two things:
- please add accounts of any other sources of the after life you would like to this thread
- how did you induce your out-of-body experiences, if you care to disclose?

That's pretty interesting too, that your aunt saw a younger version of your grandmother right after she passed. Other afterlife sources: Brazilian channeler Chico Xavier (Astral City / Nosso Lar) and also William Buhlman, an OBE/consciousness explorer and author. To initiate an OBE, I use the simplest method that I have come across: focused intent and relaxation breathing.

[Ewan]

My own musings/theory suggest that humans are not supposed to age the way we do, therefore all other dimensional body forms reflect the way we are, much younger. Late teens to mid 20's seems to be the most common quoted from memory. I suspect that DNA manipulation caused a rapid aging and previously we lived far longer and never aging past mid to late 30's. (Lessing mentions this in one of her novels, regarding the aging sickness that fell on man after the lock was broken). Who among us feel old in their minds, except for close to the end when the brain starts deteriorating or in really poor health. I still feel in my 20's, though my body sharply reminds me I'm not when I forget.

Regarding Newton's work, the only mentioned one I can comment on. (I read his first book several times). There were bits where I felt a little uneasy, from this (3D reading) level it looked like certain control structures were still in place. Hopefully one can see a lot more clearly 'there' though and will know the truth of certain matters. If re-incarnation is a necessity I'm sure I'll be in a hurry to get back and do better.

[Cardillac]

@Ewan

"humans are not supposed to age the way we do"; no, we're not-

if what I've read is correct our genom is meant to live ca. 120 yrs. but our ingesting of grains (yes, overt DNA manipulation) has shortened our life spans;

there's a folk living in the Ural mountains in Russia who live an average of 120 yrs but they are dieing out because their 'youth' have discovered 'civilization,' moving away and therefore dieing earlier-

please be well Ewan and all-

Larry

[delfine]

The work of Jurgen Ziewe, is also extremely interesting. His books "Multidimensional man" and "Vistas of infinity" are about his exploits in the out-of-body state,
where he visits different levels of the astral plane, which is also where some people go after death.

[Yuki]

Interesting. But I do not sway towards any of these ideas. My personal views on life and death, and the existence of Spirit, are purely scientific in nature.

[amor]

My most recent brush with the Afterlife or Beforelife occurred recently. My soulmate, if there is such a thing, in previous existence(s) was a person with whom I was in close contact but apparently circumstances did not allow us to connect in that manner. Although a word of it never passed between us, we both felt an intense love for each other. Recently, this person appeared to me in a very vivid dream. His face, which I recognized in my spirit memory, was different from the face presently on earth.

In addition, I have had recent dreams quite different from my drab, wandering in dreams, barely remembered. These dreams are very vivid in bright technicolor and structurally three dimentonal. Also, up to two days ago, I received proof that there is someone ABOVE who has helped me out of a difficulty.

I sincerely hope that poverty, hunger, pain, death and limitation are not all that those empowered above us can dish out.

[Justplain]

Hi Amor, i quite definitely regularly experience 'assistance' in dealng with every day problems. I ask the 'Divine Mother' (a term learned from Yoganada that rings well with me) for guidance or assistance when i dont know how to resolve a situation, and a resolution always materializes. I try to keep my little ego out of such requests. So i have proof from my own experience that we can be helped from 'above'.

On the other hand, i have abduction and negative astral experiences as well. Most of the negative occurs when i am asleep, so i can live a normal life at least in my waking hours.

So how do i reconcile the negatve with the positive? Currently i tend to believe its part of my soul contract. This might be due to karma payback, could be an experience i have agreed to undertake to toughen me up, or its as a service to others. For the latter possibility, some who have dealt with the greys, whom i have seen in an abduction dreamlike state, say that some of them may be future humans who took the trogladite path and need our dna to survive as a species (their degraded dna might be from excessive cloning), so there's a possibility my soul has agreed to assist these creatures. It is not that i wouldnt stop these activities if i could, because i would, but this might be the reason a seemingly extremely negative thing is occuring in my life. Since i cant do anything about it, and i live a relatively normal existence, i let go of the anger and frustration. Perhaps someday i will understand better what this is about.

In the meantime i also experience great connection with life and the higher levels to my ongoing benefit.

[Wind]

Newton's books were real eye openers once. I think Dolores Cannon has had same kind of information, but I'm not sure since I haven't fully read any of her books.

It has always been comforting for me to "know" that there is a greater reality waiting for us than this illusory one which just feels real. Also helps to know that the will of God, which is the good, operates all of it. Loved one who we have lost, are there waiting for us when our time comes. Death is nothing, just a doorway to another world. Pain is just and suffering are just transient things too. We feel them, because we are humans.

I just read that Michael Newton passed away last September. Bless his soul.

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[white wizard]

I've read both Delores cannon and newton's books and they do vary on things. Delores cannon focuses more on reincarnational patterns and how to overcome them. Newton gets more into detail about what exactly the after life looks like and soul journeys. They both agree on that souls progress here and move on. Delores cannon talks about ways to immediately end karmic patterns and believes it is possible to vertically ascend over one lifetime by ending karma while Newtons work on focuses on a path that encompasses many lifetimes.

I've learned from other sources soul groups have agendas and these groups can manifest as a single being on a higher level but have millions of souls mass incarnate on a planet to create an agenda. Also soul migrations to and from Earth is another cool aspect of earth. On a higher level souls can be enslaved hear through karma. They agree to it but end up trapped unable to pay back karma. The games being played here through soul groups is pretty interesting but neither Newton or cannon really get into details about it.

[Justplain]

Hi Whitewiz, i havent read ms cannon's work. Newton doesnt emphasize that karma can be an enslaving trap. He seems to portray it as a learning mechanism.

The very interesting aspect of these works is that the human consciousness can be splintered on various levels. Castaneda's 'double' concept shows up in Yogananda's account (of a spiritual follower of mahayasa who was employed by his father), and Phylon talks of how he passed through his astral self after death and his astral self didnt realize it. Newton's work mentions that always a portion of our soul energy stays at our spiritual home, and that a soul could live mutiple simultaneous lives on Earth, but that this is rare because it is so overwhelming.

Another intriguing indication in Newton's work is that souls can create matter and life. This ties into the new age theory that we are 'co-creators' with the Source.

Another fascinating aspect is that new souls are being birthed on an ongoing basis, leading to the 'new' soul label.

All fascinating stuff. I think Newton dealt with the question in 'destiny of souls' as to why only now we are being permitted to hear more about the between life and reincarnation aspects of our existence, and he believes it arises from our need to better understand our true origins in an age when materialism and atheism are endemic.

I know that i for one would not want to reincarnate back into this world until humans have a better understanding of what's going on, are more honest and are more in harmony with each other and mother earth.

[white wizard]

Yes I loved newtons work he has got a good grasp on earth bound souls and the journey they take. The soul level chart that discussed how earth souls soul age could be determined by there color was fascinating. And yes karma is a great tool for learning that souls voluntarily enter to learn. The only problem is some souls get trapped in there and are used for agendas by negative soul collectives. I don't think Newton got into detail about negative soul groups but they are out there and common. Also not all souls are bound by karma some souls are in incarnational cycle which are much different than reincarnational cycles

[Justplain]

Yes I loved newtons work he has got a good grasp on earth bound souls and the journey they take. The soul level chart that discussed how earth souls soul age could be determined by there color was fascinating. And yes karma is a great tool for learning that souls voluntarily enter to learn. The only problem is some souls get trapped in there and are used for agendas by negative soul collectives. I don't think Newton got into detail about negative soul groups but they are out there and common. Also not all souls are bound by karma some souls are in incarnational cycle which are much different than reincarnational cycles

Yes, Whitewiz, i did think that Newton's work was a missing some pieces regarding the negative side of things (much like Stephen Greer paints all ETs as highly evolved nice guys). For instance, Newton relied on some info from clients who said that there were really no disembodied 'evil' spirits on the Earth plane, perhaps some misguided ghosts that find it hard to let go, or they might be off worlder spirits who can cause trouble cuz they dont really understand what's going on here.

Newton does cite evidence that there are 'good guy' spirits, highly evolved ones, that patrol the Earth plane to care for ghosts and out of control spirit visitors. As you indicate, i agree that there is something more to the spiritual story here.

It is interesting that you indicate that there may be negatively oriented soul groups incarnating here. Newton would likely deny that, but i think you may have something there. For instance, some claim that the illuminati families have been in control since, and probably before, the fall of atlantis. If that is true, and the spirit world has been structured the way Newton describes it all that time, then why woudnt this recurring evil not have been taken out of the reincarnation cycle by now? Newton indicated that souls that repeatedly abuse the priviledge of incarnation can evetually be 'rebuilt', yet these baddies seem to recur. This reminds me of the example from the star wars books that indicates the evil emperor, once he died in episode six, then re-incarnates as a bad guy in the last three books.

I believe we have to halt this cycle of Earth being ruled by evil psychopaths. I've read that Bill Ryan believes thaf this is our last chance. We have to collectively make it perfectly clear we no longer want these evil souls incarnating here. We've had enough. I've had ebough. I will ask to incarnate on another better world next time if this doesnt halt.

From what i've heard/read, if we dont overthrow these creeps, we end up like the greys, who are a top-down-run-collective of slugs (implied by Dan Burisch's testimony that grey's are future humans).

The alternative is we evolve into the plejarins, as identified in billy meyers testimony (the plieadians/plejaren are also from our future, from what billy said). The plejaren are beautiful, highly spiritual and psychic people who would be wonderful to have as descendents. We just have to make the right decisions to get there, such as becoming honest, honorable and compassionate, as well as returning to a healthy spiritual relationship with Mother Earth.

[Wind]

I think Earth and humanity is the way it is now because of corruption and rulership of "evil" and malicious forces. We have been lead astray as a species because of that. Biological evolution is just one part, the more important part is spiritual evolution. However, evil is just the other side of the coin... One side is light, the other is dark. It is a game of polarity to be played, albeit it is not always so nice to know that there is so much darkness out there just waiting to consume humans. I'd surely like to know if there is anything more difficult than to exist in this dimension. Yet is also good to know that there is always the counterforce, which is the good. Love is the answer, it always was and always will be.

[white wizard]

Yes I loved newtons work he has got a good grasp on earth bound souls and the journey they take. The soul level chart that discussed how earth souls soul age could be determined by there color was fascinating. And yes karma is a great tool for learning that souls voluntarily enter to learn. The only problem is some souls get trapped in there and are used for agendas by negative soul collectives. I don't think Newton got into detail about negative soul groups but they are out there and common. Also not all souls are bound by karma some souls are in incarnational cycle which are much different than reincarnational cycles

Yes, Whitewiz, i did think that Newton's work was a missing some pieces regarding the negative side of things (much like Stephen Greer paints all ETs as highly evolved nice guys). For instance, Newton relied on some info from clients who said that there were really no disembodied 'evil' spirits on the Earth plane, perhaps some misguided ghosts that find it hard to let go, or they might be off worlder spirits who can cause trouble cuz they dont really understand what's going on here.

Newton does cite evidence that there are 'good guy' spirits, highly evolved ones, that patrol the Earth plane to care for ghosts and out of control spirit visitors. As you indicate, i agree that there is something more to the spiritual story here.

It is interesting that you indicate that there may be negatively oriented soul groups incarnating here. Newton would likely deny that, but i think you may have something there. For instance, some claim that the illuminati families have been in control since, and probably before, the fall of atlantis. If that is true, and the spirit world has been structured the way Newton describes it all that time, then why woudnt this recurring evil not have been taken out of the reincarnation cycle by now? Newton indicated that souls that repeatedly abuse the priviledge of incarnation can evetually be 'rebuilt', yet these baddies some to recur. This reminds me that i heard the example from the star wars book that indicates the evil emperor, once he died in episode six, then re-incarnates as a bad guy in the last three books.

I believe we have to halt this cycle of Earth being ruled by evil psychopaths. I've read that Bill Ryan believes thaf this is our last chance. We have to collectively make it perfectly clear we no longer want these evil souls incarnating here. We've had enough. I've had ebough. I will ask to incarnate on another better world next time if this doesnt halt.

From what i've heard/read, if we dont overthrow these creeps, we end up like the greys, who are a top-down-run-collective of slugs (implied by Dan Burisch's testimony that grey's are future humans).

The alternative is we evolve into the plejarins, as identified in billy meyers testimony (the plieadians/plejaren are also from our future, from what billy said). The plejaren are beautiful, highly spiritual and psychic people who would be wonderful to have as descendents. We just have to make the right decisions to get there, such as becoming honest, honorable and compassionate, as well as returning to a healthy spiritual relationship with Mother Earth.

You are right Newton has a small piece of a big puzzle on the Astral realms. Typically beings involved in negative collectives that run the planet do not have regressions. Some are involved in service to self negative path ascension. Obviously on a soul level they choose negative oriented incarnations. I actually watched an interview where they said the over soul in hitlers soul group actually sacrificed that soul as a way to create mass karma without having to pay it back. His soul was recycled and the oversoul was basically left untouched. The collective of the elites hold negative soul contracts for the system of domination and control which is the theme of the planet. There are entire collectives of souls which run domination and control throughout sections of the galaxy. Typically the reptilians run that gig on a physical and non physical level .

As far getting yourself away from these lunatics running the planet it will be an inner journey. You can align yourself with a reality where they fall and humanity is free which is happening on the current time line so I would focus your thoughts towards visualizing that timeline path. I started doing it ten years ago when no one was awake and now I'm here where many are awake n fighting back.

As long as your more than 50 percent service to others I doubt you come back here but you may still go to other systems in domination and control hopefully not to the extent this planet is everyone says earth is the roughest planet in this section of the universe. Also in the next 100-200 years earth will be as a whole will be in the stars your next round if you choose to stay will be a cake walk compared to now.

Me personally I've been here alot of times my collective studies developing civilizations we are the scholarly philosophical type collective mostly neutral and observant i read newton's book which inspired me to open my akashic records where I learned my journey. I'm a nomadic philosopher on a soul level studying planets and gathering information. As for karma and reincarnation on earth I'm free to do whatever I'm not in karma cycles and can go to any planet that will take me. Maybe your in the same boat if not I'd say your at least almost done with your cycles of karma based on the way you understand things. If your an old soul than most likely your done here after this life .

[amor]

I wish to live under the system exemplefyed by: "They shall not kill or destory in all my holy mountain."

[rgray222]

Reincarnation or any other form of the afterlife surely must exist, we may return to earth or other destinations in the universe (with or without a physical body) but to what end? Learning and experiencing are a given but to what end. Where does all the love, emotion and wisdom that we gather through the ages end up? I view the physical death of the human body as the largest and most intriguing experience of our lives. It is not something that I would pursue early but when the time arrives I hope I am capable of embracing death as the last great adventure of this particular life. It is not so much about the journey, it is more about the destination.

[Justplain]

Posted by whitewiz:
"You can align yourself with a reality where they fall and humanity is free which is happening on the current time line so I would focus your thoughts towards visualizing that timeline path. I started doing it ten years ago when no one was awake and now I'm here where many are awake n fighting back.

As long as your more than 50 percent service to others I doubt you come back here but you may still go to other systems in domination and control hopefully not to the extent this planet is everyone says earth is the roughest planet in this section of the universe. Also in the next 100-200 years earth will be as a whole will be in the stars your next round if you choose to stay will be a cake walk compared to now.

Me personally I've been here alot of times my collective studies developing civilizations we are the scholarly philosophical type collective mostly neutral and observant i read newton's book which inspired me to open my akashic records where I learned my journey. I'm a nomadic philosopher on a soul level studying planets and gathering information. As for karma and reincarnation on earth I'm free to do whatever I'm not in karma cycles and can go to any planet that will take me. Maybe your in the same boat if not I'd say your at least almost done with your cycles of karma based on the way you understand things. If your an old soul than most likely your done here after this life ."

Hi whitewiz. Thats fascinating that you've been able to read your akashic records. I'd love to be able to do that.

I support your idea of idealizing our current world's future to help materialize it here. I have a feeling that may well happen here, that's what i work for.

More and more lately i have been working as service to others, primarily family, but others as well. Helps clean the karma.

I have been told i'm an oldie who didnt quite fall into the darkest depths but was too tempted to. My most recent life i was a well intensioned army recruit who volunteered for what sounds like a supersoldier program and committed suicide after they injected me with drugs to make me an evil automaton. I think that corresponds for my current loathing for the military establishment, they aint trustworthy.

[Justplain]

Reincarnation or any other form of the afterlife surely must exist, we may return to earth or other destinations in the universe (with or without a physical body) but to what end? Learning and experiencing are a given but to what end. Where does all the love, emotion and wisdom that we gather through the ages end up? I view the physical death of the human body as the largest and most intriguing experience of our lives. It is not something that I would pursue early but when the time arrives I hope I am capable of embracing death as the last great adventure of this particular life. It is not so much about the journey, it is more about the destination.

Hi rgray, i think if you consider that we are supposed to be working on eventually rejoining the Divine Source as an equal, you get an idea of how tough of a job we have and how long it'll take. But the benefits could be staggering.