Is Snowden to be offered/gifted to Trump?

[Bob]

Is the old love affair over? (and a new one beginning?)

Russia may be considering sending Edward Snowden back to the US, according to a new report.

Russia has contemplated returning Edward Snowden to the United States as a “gift” to President Trump, less than four years after the former NSA contractor took refuge there, according to a new report.

The report from NBC News cites two US intelligence officials who have analyzed sensitive intelligence on internal Russian deliberations since the inauguration. The officials say the option was one of several designed to win the good graces of the US president.

It would also present new perils for Mr. Snowden, who faces charges that would land him in prison for a minimum of 30 years if convicted. And it seems likely that under the new president, the Justice Department would be unlikely to pursue anything but the stiffest penalties: Trump calls the former contractor a “traitor” and a “spy,” and in a 2013 interview on Fox & Friends, even suggested he should be executed.

In January, Russia approved another extension of Snowden’s temporary asylum, though its foreign ministry did not specify how long. His lawyer in Russia, Anatoly Kucherena, told the New York Times that he would become eligible to apply for Russian citizenship next year, after having spent five years in the country.


Source - ChristianScience Monitor - http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2017/0211/Will-Russia-turn-over-Snowden-as-a-gift-to-Trump


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==update==

In the end of this thread's first page, one will see the conjecture that the Snowden Affair, was an elaborate deception, authorized by higher ups, and carried out using Snowden as the unwitting patsy.. what a better way to deceive all, and plant the thought of an all powerful 'wolf' spying on everyone waiting to pounce .. Was it a deception all along? Does Trump really care about Snowden (if he has been briefed on the psyops deception operation) ?

Read on and please contribute your thoughts and insights. This could get interesting..

[turiya]

For Snowden I think he would find this a bit concerning...


Donald Trump On Putin And Snowden
(Published on Jul 8, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex7d-izDwzw________________________________

'Russia's only choice is to permit
Snowden to live here' - Putin
(Published on Sep 5, 2013)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmzgmzcOgg

[Cidersomerset]

Exclusive: Russia Is Considering Offering Edward Snowden As A ‘Gift’ To Trump | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 10 Feb 2017
Intel sources tell NBC News that offering Edward Snowden would be part of
an ongoing Russian campaign to disrupt the American system, as they did
during the election.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59919-Edward-Snowden-the-whistleblower-behind-the-NSA-surveillance-revelations&p=1133548&viewfull=1#post1133548
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This will not be good for Putin or Trump imo , hopefully its just speculation


Geraldo is being naïve in this one....

Geraldo: Snowden trade would be a win-win for Putin

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Published on 11 Feb 2017
Fox News roaming correspondent-at-large weighs in on 'Fox & Friends'

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NBC BREAKING NEWS: Russia Considers Sending Edward Snowden To U.S. as Gift for Trump

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Published on 10 Feb 2017

[starlight]

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/europe/edward-snowden-asylum-russia.html?_r=1

“The funniest thing is that the former deputy director of the C.I.A. does not know that Snowden’s residence permit in Russia was just extended for a couple more years,” Ms. Zakharova wrote.

“And seriously, the essence of what the C.I.A. agent is suggesting is an ideology of betrayal,” she wrote. “You spoke, Mr. Morrell, and now it’s clear to everybody that in your office, it’s normal to bring gifts in the form of people, and to hand over those who seek defense.”

Snowden seemed to agree with above statements by retweeting on his personal account: https://twitter.com/Snowden

[uzn]

I think NBC is just inventing more Fake News.

[Bob]

I think NBC is just inventing more Fake News.

Naw, it is widespread

The Russian foreign service is pissed, saying Russia never abuses it's refugee's or asylum seekers (or those granted). The reality is Putin can over-ride any of them and do anything he wants at any time.

Snowden admitted to a reporter in an interview, his worries about being booted come from his outward confrontations against the Russian Government on human rights violations in Russia, the stand Russia takes on the gays, etc..

There are websites which have been created by folks reporting from within Russia about it is no cakewalk for an asylum seeker, or a refugee.. That the Snowden-Status is a political football, designed to have kicked Obama's administration in the teeth for the increasingly frigid relationship Obama created with Russia.. Now that Trump is in and Obama on the out (although he is still trying to exert continued Party influence), Trump wants the relationships.. Giving up Snowden at the right time to Trump (for the right political favor that is), is a negotiable point. Something that Trump apparently likes to do, find negotiations points and exploit.

source - (one of many) - https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/exclusive-face-to-face-with-edward-snowden-in-moscow-on-trump-putin-and-dwindling-hopes-of-a-presidential-pardon-100117331.html

Snowden's own words in the interview:


“The fact that I’m independent, the fact that I have always worked on behalf of the United States, and the fact that Russia doesn’t own me,” Snowden replied.

“In fact, the Russian government may see me as sort of a liability.”

(Fox News just picked up the feed and is reporting on it..)

Fox News just acknowledged/verified the data, "Snowden is now a useful bargaining chip". There is some question, will the "chip" be a gift or is something expected in return. Putin has unconditionally "gifted" when it allows them to appear in a good political light.. Such as not acting "tit for tat" on ex-pres Obama's recent sanctions on Russia, claiming the Russian Government was responsible for 'hacking'..

ref: Russian will not act "tit for tat" on expulsions - http://www.voanews.com/a/obama-hits-russia-with-new-sanctions-for-election-hacking/3656744.html

"Trump Praises Putin's Decision Against Tit-For-Tat Sanctions"

[Bob]

Bloomberg says Snowden has outlived his usefulness - (paraphrased)

"RUSSIA - Snowden Is Turning Into a Liability for Putin"


Edward Snowden is increasingly unhappy with the situation in Russia, where he has lived for more than three years.

President Vladimir Putin once welcomed the National Security Agency contractor for his propaganda value, but he may be wondering if it's all been worth it.

Snowden arrived in Moscow in June 2013.

That was almost a year before the Crimea annexation, and Russia could still try to sell itself to radical leftists who admired Snowden as the lesser evil, compared with the Big Brother U.S. Putin talked a lot about Snowden showing obvious delight for thumbing his nose at the U.S., which had tried to intercept the whistle-blower.

He (Putin) described Snowden as a "weird guy," an idealist, who was safe in Russia even though he had no secrets to pass on.

No secrets to pass on, no usefulness..


RUSSIA
Snowden Is Turning Into a Liability for Putin
523SEP 8, 2016 12:19 PM EDT
By
Leonid Bershidsky
Edward Snowden is increasingly unhappy with the situation in Russia, where he has lived for more than three years. President Vladimir Putin once welcomed the National Security Agency contractor for his propaganda value, but he may be wondering if it's all been worth it.

Snowden arrived in Moscow in June 2013. That was almost a year before the Crimea annexation, and Russia could still try to sell itself to radical leftists who admired Snowden as the lesser evil, compared with the Big Brother U.S. Putin talked a lot about Snowden showing obvious delight for thumbing his nose at the U.S., which had tried to intercept the whistle-blower. He described Snowden as a "weird guy," an idealist, who was safe in Russia even though he had no secrets to pass on.

The Espionage Act

After Crimea, though, such statements started to appear hollow. "Russia is not the kind of country that hands over fighters for human rights," Putin said at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum in May 2014. That the Russian president could talk about human rights after faking a secession referendum in Crimea would have been funny if it weren't so manipulative.

Snowden appeared to play along. In 2014, he took part in Putin's carefully stage-managed and scripted annual call-in show, asking the Russian leader whether Russia intercepted, stored and analyzed its citizens' electronic communications. Putin said Russia used advanced technology to fight terrorism. "But we do not allow ourselves to use it on a mass scale, in an uncontrolled way," he added. "I hope, I very much hope, that we never will."

Snowden defended what appeared to be a softball question in a column for The Guardian, saying that he had "sworn no allegiance" to Russia and that he would fight total surveillance everywhere. The Guardian article helped him maintain credibility among Western radicals.

On several other occasions, Snowden criticized Russia for its treatment of homosexuality and for attacks on internet freedoms, but the Kremlin was unconcerned. "These are rather arguable statements, but he has his point of view," Putin's press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, said last year. "Yes, he lives in Russia, but it doesn't mean anything is being imposed on him."

In recent months, though, Snowden has stepped up his harsh criticism of Russian ways: It became clear to him that Putin had lied during that call-in show.

The NSA leaker took to Twitter in July, when the Russian Parliament was passing the so-called "Yarovaya package" -- a fiercely repressive set of laws aimed at establishing total control over Russians' online communications. Internet providers and mobile operators are expected to record and store all conversations and message exchanges for six months, and their metadata for three years. Internet companies are obliged to help the Russian secret police decrypt any encrypted communication. Snowden's condemnation was vehement:

Signing the #BigBrother law must be condemned. Beyond political and constitution consequences, it is also a $33b+ tax on Russia's internet.
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) July 7, 2016


#Putin has signed a repressive new law that violates not only human rights, but common sense. Dark day for #Russia. https://t.co/J4I2SQ9VCe
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) July 7, 2016


The Yarovaya package is harsher than any electronic surveillance legislation in the U.S., because the Russian measures openly tell citizens that their communications will be monitored pretty much at the discretion of the intelligence services. It embodies all the abuses that Snowden has opposed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-08/snowden-is-turning-into-a-liability-for-putin

[Wind]

I hope the russians won't betray his trust. I doubt he would get a fair trial in US, they would just throw him to rot in a jail.
True heroes and patriots don't deserve a fate like that for doing the right thing. Instead the real criminals get to walk free.

[Eram]

What would people all around the world think of Putin and Russia if Snowden was to be extradited?

Therefore, I think that chances of such a thing happening are as slim as Putin making a live appearance on national tv, dressed in a tutu.

http://thehuffandpuffpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/putin-in-tutu.jpg

If becoming a liability such as Bloomberg suggested? Cut of his internet, harass him, make him want to leave, give him a disease with a fast kill trajectory... whatever, but to extradite him to the US would forfeit all the carefully built goodwill with the common "thinking for himself" man in the west.

[Bob]

General Michael Hayden, former director of both the CIA and NSA, offers an accurate perspective on Edward Snowden:

"I'm often questioned on this; usually in the context of “but, . . . but, . . . Snowden exposed massive, illegal spying on Americans and our allies.” I’ll let the eloquent and well-respected General Hayden speak to the truth of the matter:
"
Snowden is a rat

"For the hundreds of thousands of documents Snowden stole, he didn’t see fit to keep one, not one, piece of evidence that he ever tried to bring his concerns to his superiors. Not one memo. Not one email. Not one record of a phone call or meeting. How could that “master” thief be so clever and smart, but “forget” the one element that could justify (in his mind) his actions?

"Snowden never raised his supposed concerns with his superiors. Oliver Stone, and other Snowden boosters, also conveniently ignore that there are a number of legal mechanisms for addressing such concerns by an employee. Snowden could have, but didn’t, go to the NSA Inspector General or Booze Allen’s IG. There is even a mechanism for a concerned employee to raise issues with the congressional oversight committees in a secure facility. Snowden made no attempt to avail himself of any of these proper and legal channels."

"As General Hayden points out, Snowden’s misguided admirers are essentially advocating allowing an immature, low- or mid-level contractor employee, who has limited, narrow perspectives and experience on programs, oversight, and the laws, to negate large, expensive, and legal programs that have been approved, encouraged, and funded by congress and the Executive branch, with the approval, review, and oversight of the FISA court."

Zero Hedge: ( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-10/russian-government-considers-offering-snowden-gift-president-trump-nbc-reports )



There are “a lot of reasons” that would “make sense” for Russia to take such a step, Morell wrote in his column in the Cipher Brief. The former CIA acting chief believes that “the Russian president needs a relationship with the incoming US president where the US overlooks Moscow’s anti-democratic activities at home and destabilizing activities abroad.”

Moreover, “gifting” Snowden could also become a good way “to poke his [Putin’s] finger in the eye of his adversary Barack Obama,” Morell added.

In addition, “this would give President Putin one of the things he desires the most – being seen at home and abroad as an equal of the US.”

[thunder24]

General Michael Hayden, former director of both the CIA and NSA, offers an accurate perspective on Edward Snowden.

I'm often questioned on this; usually in the context of “but, . . . but, . . . Snowden exposed massive, illegal spying on Americans and our allies.” I’ll let the eloquent and well-respected General Hayden speak to the truth of the matter:

Snowden is a rat

For the hundreds of thousands of documents Snowden stole, he didn’t see fit to keep one, not one, piece of evidence that he ever tried to bring his concerns to his superiors. Not one memo. Not one email. Not one record of a phone call or meeting. How could that “master” thief be so clever and smart, but “forget” the one element that could justify (in his mind) his actions?

Snowden never raised his supposed concerns with his superiors. Oliver Stone, and other Snowden boosters, also conveniently ignore that there are a number of legal mechanisms for addressing such concerns by an employee. Snowden could have, but didn’t, go to the NSA Inspector General or Booze Allen’s IG. There is even a mechanism for a concerned employee to raise issues with the congressional oversight committees in a secure facility. Snowden made no attempt to avail himself of any of these proper and legal channels.

As General Hayden points out, Snowden’s misguided admirers are essentially advocating allowing an immature, low- or mid-level contractor employee, who has limited, narrow perspectives and experience on programs, oversight, and the laws, to negate large, expensive, and legal programs that have been approved, encouraged, and funded by congress and the Executive branch, with the approval, review, and oversight of the FISA court.

Zero Hedge: ( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-10/russian-government-considers-offering-snowden-gift-president-trump-nbc-reports )



There are “a lot of reasons” that would “make sense” for Russia to take such a step, Morell wrote in his column in the Cipher Brief. The former CIA acting chief believes that “the Russian president needs a relationship with the incoming US president where the US overlooks Moscow’s anti-democratic activities at home and destabilizing activities abroad.”

Moreover, “gifting” Snowden could also become a good way “to poke his [Putin’s] finger in the eye of his adversary Barack Obama,” Morell added.

In addition, “this would give President Putin one of the things he desires the most – being seen at home and abroad as an equal of the US.”

I won't discount this as a could possibly be true, but it seems to my uninformed opinion that this above is lacking as in myopic in scope of bigger picture. Meaning, some things were exposed such as possibilities that all needed to know of. Even if he was an actor...the topic of surveillance had to be brought up whether for purposes of them letting us know what they were doing, or an actual whistle blower for real... this stuff had to be postulated to the people... If only for that, im thankful

[uzn]

@Bob: Oh, if it´s all over the News it must be true ?? Thats your logic ??
If someone does something illegal, and somebody else Acts upon his conscience and exposes These illegal practices than that Person is a Rat in your Eyes ?

Anyway, Kreml-Spokesperson Preskow commented on These rumors : utter nonsense !!!

NBC wont name their Source. Sounds a lot like Desinformation / Fake News.

If its Mike Morell then read what Glenn Greenwald has to say about him:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2ex4EYXAAAFrcJ.jpg

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/821821046739308544/photo/1

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden says if they send me back I cannot be a spy ...

President Putins spokesman says its all nonsence


Russia may return Edward Snowden to the US

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Published on 11 Feb 2017
Bryan Llenas reports on Russia's suggestion that they may
return NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden to the US

[Cidersomerset]

This shows Putins views when Snowden first arrived in Russia and the US prevented
him from leaving by issueing a international travel/piracy band by intimidating
European and South American countries. They seem to have wanted him to stay in
Russia. The US could have caught him by staying quite and pick him up in a
country with easier access to US intelligence....


Snowden is a free man, can go anywhere he wants

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Published on 25 Jun 2013
Former NSA contractor Edward Snowden remains in the transit zone of a
Moscow airport. President Putin said that Snowden never crossed the Russian
border and doesn't fall under any extradition treaty.

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'Russia's only choice is to permit Snowden to live here' - Putin

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Published on 5 Sep 2013
Ahead of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russian President Vladimir Putin
sat down for an interview with AP and Channel 1. Among many issues, the
leader spoke about Snowden, Syria, and Russia's controversial gay propaganda law.

[Bob]

From Rhetoric of Whistle-Blowers - by Barak Bullock - "Decoding the Edward SnowdenModel (http://www.academia.edu/15015800/Rhetoric_of_Whistleblowing_Decoding_the_Edward_Snowden_Model)"

After referring to Snowden as "a troubled young man" and "morally arrogant to a tremendous degree," Hayden went further, and likened Snowden to an old fugitive wasting away during the Cold War: "I suspect he will end up like most of the rest of the defectors who went to the old Soviet Union: Isolated, bored, lonely, depressed -- and most of them ended up alcoholics" (Peterson). Like the charges of narcissism, grandiosity and sexual deviance, the idea of whistleblowers as "loners" has been seen attached to previous whistleblowers.

The "argument" is how can we "trust" any media.. ?? That's a good one, eh?

IT was the MEDIA that SNOWDEN USED to become the champion for his "cause". All that we have is supposed "documents", which could very well have BEEN deliberately fabricated by the NSA, to create a deliberate dis-information campaign, deliberately to see "who squeals", who jumps, who wiggles, what specifically ARE the real leaks, the real networks, the foreign agents, the real "bought" media..

Ergo, if you can't trust MEDIA, you can't trust that SNOWDEN revealed anything of any reliability, nor can one assume that what Snowden "revealed" wasn't deliberately "synthesized" by the NSA to as they say "shake the tree" and see what falls out. I've used the expression, that President TRUMP is extremely adept in being able to STIR THE POT to see what floaters surface, to find the stuff laying on the bottom, who would only surface from the "swamp" if "disturbed" from their hideyholes.

By clearing his non-rhetorical constraints and collaborating with the media, Snowden forwarded TO THE MEDIA, a very select narrative of the events that enabled others to defend him in public, fighting the topoi used against him on his behalf.

For example, in the Guardian's expose' on Snowden from June 11th, Snowden declared one of his fears to be that the media's tendency to personalize leakers.

Snowden wanted the "media" to focus on the disclosures that would hurt any chance of meaningful reform. Defenders of Snowden repeated this dissociative argument in their own coverage of Snowden and the disclosures, helping to counter any commentators hoping to distract the public from the "leaks".


Snowden: “The fact that I’m independent, the fact that I have always worked on behalf of the United States, and the fact that Russia doesn’t own me,” Snowden replied.

“In fact, the Russian government may see me as sort of a liability.”

From the Intercept - https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
by Glen Greenwald

HOW COVERT AGENTS INFILTRATE THE INTERNET TO MANIPULATE, DECEIVE, AND DESTROY REPUTATIONS


https://firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/02/deception_p11.png

The HUMINT psychological operations section of NSA is designed to deliberately manipulate mainstream media, manipulate social media (including forums), and is designed to make people believe whatever they choose. Snowden himself says in his current release to the public that he says he works for the UNITED STATES. Take it at face value. He says he is not a spy, that seems correct, that he is an "information agent" designed to disseminate and create an EMOTIONAL STORM to "shake the trees" and see what falls out. (Stir the pot, drain the swamp).

People feel outrage, how "could they", the emotional button, the deepest level of "trust" being abrogated.. That primes the emotional button for opening the mind up to FULL PROGRAMMING.

ANY average person has NO WAY to determine if any information "leaked" is TRUTH. What one is left with is emotional GUT level hunches which are PRIMED by "data" (propaganda) generated by SOCIAL MEDIA, MSM, local gossip (water-cooler chatter), any written media (magazines, newspapers).. Certain groups then such as Cambridge Analytica come along and then DATAMINE the various social media to DETERMINE HOW EFFECTIVE the "programming buttons" have been pressed, to see what "program" people are operating on, and to determine WHICH method creates the MOST emotional reaction in the masses.. Which BUTTONS are the best to PRESS to elicit guided programming - the "TRUST button" being pressed elicits most dramatic charge, thereby opening up the mind to following "dropped breadcrumbs" or "tidbits" of information planted by skilled operators, thereby effectively programming a social class.

How can one trust ANY media? How can one trust any VIDEO, MP3 interview? The reality is ONE CAN'T. IF emotion has been elicited, that is the number 1 OPENING needed for subsequent social programming. Forget that, and one can certainly enjoy the Little Red Riding Hood story, designed to plant deeply in children who grow up, that there IS a big bad wolf out there, just waiting..

References: Black Vault - http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/


The program consisted of some 149 subprojects which the Agency contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. At least 80 institutions and 185 private researchers participated. Because the Agency funded MKUltra indirectly, many of the participating individuals were unaware that they were dealing with the Agency.

Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress, and a Gerald Ford commission to investigate CIA activities within the United States. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKUltra files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms’ destruction order.

ref - BlackVault - http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/category/the-fringe/mind-control/ the Mind Control collection

When information is systematically hidden, withheld or distorted it is impossible to make unbiased decisions. Under these circumstances, people may be subtly led to believe they are ‘freely’ choosing to act. It is precisely this kind of decision that persists and most affects our behavior since we come to believe in those attitudes and actions for which we have generated our own justifications. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/mindcontrol/ADA075694.pdf

The thesis of this essay is that ‘mind control’ exists not in exotic gimmicks, but rather in the most mundane aspects of experience. Because it does, it is possible to reduce our susceptibility to unwanted coercive control by increasing our vigilance and learning to utilize certain basic strategies of analysis. In this paper, we present resistance strategies which are broadly applicable to the wide array of mind-manipulation attempts that surround us daily–in a ‘self- help’ format that provides for ready accessibility. Findings from relevant social-psychological research, from interviews and personal experiences with con men, cultists, super-salesmen and other perpetrators of mind control comprise the reservoir of information from which we have drawn.

ref: Black Vault - http://www.theblackvault.com/documents/mindcontrol/comcont.pdf Communist Control Techniques
How to Indoctrinate, how to guide belief, how to spread dis and mis-information, etc.

[Bob]

Who is the State Propaganda Minister of Russia? (spin doctor (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spin%20doctor), definition)

Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova is the Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation from August 10, 2015.

She has a degree of Candidate in Historical Sciences.

(rofl)

Some of her other "propaganda" positions

http://nation.com.pk/international/19-Nov-2016/the-jews-knew-donald-trump-would-win-us-election-maria-zakharova - She stated "the JEWS knew Donald Trump would win US election: Maria Zakharova"

What type of slam is that eh? "Keen on finding out what Americans thought of the upcoming elections, she claimed the only way to do so was by talking “to the Jews, of course, she said."

http://www.polygraph.info/z/20380/none?p=1

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zahkarova apologized to a VOA reporter for incorrect remarks made by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference on Tuesday, in which he misrepresented Voice of America reporting in a way that served to undermine the agency's credibility.

From the Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/putin-long-game-omens-europe-russia

A tweet from its foreign ministry spokeswoman said much this week.

“The migration crisis has been caused by irresponsible attempts to spread western-type democracy to the Middle East,” was the message from Maria Zakharova, hours before EU leaders were set to convene in Brussels.

It didn’t just reflect Moscow’s well-known resistance to anything that smacks of western-driven regime change – it was also meant as a rebuke.

Daily Mail knows what Zakharova is - "Spin Doctor" (I seem to remember Terikq Aziz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz), Saddam Hussein's spin doctor too explaining how great things were in Iraq)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167752/Boris-fury-Putin-s-spin-doctor-attacks-Britain-Commons.html

The MP’s invite gives star billing to Putin’s outspoken propagandist with her full Kremlin title, ‘Maria Zakharova, Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.’

Striking blonde Ms Zakharova, 41, has powerful backing from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. She became a celebrity in Russia last year after performing a Russian folk dance at political conference in Sochi.

She has made a series of highly provocative statements in recent years, often attacking Britain.

In 2008, she helped stop George Clooney addressing the United Nations on the Sudan humanitarian crisis because of fears that it conflicted with Russian foreign policy.

Spin Doctor - a person (as a political aide) responsible for ensuring that others interpret an event from a particular point of view

http://theduran.com/russian-spokeswoman-maria-zakharova-destroys-natos-warmonger-secretary-general-in-this-facebook-post/ - the Russian's Spin Doctor Zakharova
"Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, trolls NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg for pandering to President-elect Donald Trump."

Russian disinformation campaign - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html

“Moscow views world affairs as a system of special operations, and very sincerely believes that it itself is an object of Western special operations,” said Gleb Pavlovsky, who helped establish the Kremlin’s information machine before 2008. “I am sure that there are a lot of centers, some linked to the state, that are involved in inventing these kinds of fake stories.”


The flow of misleading and inaccurate stories is so strong that both NATO and the European Union have established special offices to identify and refute disinformation, particularly claims emanating from Russia.

The Kremlin’s clandestine methods have surfaced in the United States, too, American officials say...

The fundamental purpose of dezinformatsiya, or Russian disinformation, experts said, is to undermine the official version of events — even the very idea that there is a true version of events — and foster a kind of policy paralysis.



And who is there to head it up? Maria Zakharova, the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman.

Naw, I don't consider that person worthy of presenting anything but propaganda spin designed to undermine any official version of events, including Snowden's own statements that he remains a US Agent doing his duty (following order, or being lead to believe, he was "acting" independently (typical program to create strong belief system to paint "credibility")..

Taking Snowden's statement at face value:


Snowden: “The fact that I’m independent, the fact that I have always worked on behalf of the United States, and the fact that Russia doesn’t own me,” Snowden replied.

“In fact, the Russian government may see me as sort of a liability.”

Putin will do what Putin wants, what is expedient for his own program; his propagandist mouthpiece is a pretty girl following orders, no doubt. When she has outlived her ability to "convince others" she will be replaced as have the others.. IMHO of course :)

[Bob]

Snowden's hilarious (and uninformed statement) about if he is a SPY why would Russia send him back..

Spies are traded when it is of use to either/both parties.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704111704575354863581918490

U.S., Russia to Swap Agents
Washington Trades 10 Spies for 4 Prisoners of Moscow; Deal Settles Crisis

By EVAN PEREZ in Washington, MICHAEL ROTHFELD and CHAD BRAY in New York and GREGORY L. WHITE in Moscow
Updated July 8, 2010 12:01 a.m. ET
In the final chapter of a saga worthy of a spy novel, the U.S. and Russia agreed to one of the biggest prisoner swaps between the countries since the Cold War.

The deal—to exchange 10 Russian spies who were arrested in the U.S.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/08/AR2010070806178.html
Four spies Russia freed have little in common with swap counterparts


In the world of spy vs. spy, the four Russians released by Moscow on Thursday appeared to have little in common with the 10 "sleeper" agents the Obama administration freed in return.

The 10 posed as modern, upwardly mobile city dwellers, living the American dream while they trolled for contacts in the government and think tanks that could be exploited by what one U.S. law enforcement official called Russia's "professional" spies.

Three of the four whom Russia traded for them were professionals -- once successful career officers in the Russian intelligence service.

One had been convicted of being a double agent for the United States, and another pleaded guilty to giving KGB secrets to the British intelligence agency, MI6. The third was never charged with espionage but was fired from the service under suspicion that he had developed a dangerous friendship with a CIA counterpart. He was arrested years later on charge of illegal weapons possession apparently unrelated to his KGB past.

The fourth was Igor Sutyagin, a 45-year-old arms control and nuclear weapons researcher for a Moscow think tank who had no known intelligence background yet spent the past 11 years in a prison camp after being convicted of passing sensitive information to the CIA through a British front company. Sutyagin had consistently maintained his innocence, noting that he had no security clearance and no secrets to reveal.

The KGB veterans have vastly different stories.

Alexander Zaporozhsky was a decorated officer whose KGB career began in the depths of the Cold War in 1975 and abruptly ended with his reported retirement in 1997. A year later, he appeared in the Washington area with his wife and two sons. He described himself as an immigrant; Russian news reports said he had defected, escaping with his family via Prague. They lived for a while in Northern Virginia, and moved in 1998 to Cockeysville, Md., where they bought a house for about $400,000.

Zaporozhsky told his neighbors that he ran an international consulting business from his home. They thought he was a Russian spy. According to subsequent news accounts in Russia and this country, he was a defector reaping his reward for spying for the United States.

In 2001, Zaporozhsky was lured to Moscow for what his wife said he thought was a KGB reunion. He was arrested at the airport. His tearful wife, in Maryland, told reporters that it was all a fabrication, asking why he would have openly traveled back to Russia, under his own name, if he had been a double agent.

Tried for espionage in 2003, he was sentenced to 18 years in prison despite his protestations that there was no proof he had committed treason. But "the evidence was so well documented," the Moscow Gazeta reported, "that judges sentenced the traitor to two years longer than the prosecution demanded."

Sergei Skripal, also a KGB colonel, had also retired by the time he was charged in 2004 with having spied for the British Secret Intelligence Service, beginning in the late 1990s. According to the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), the domestic successor to the KGB, he was paid about $100,000 over time, which was transferred to an account at a Spanish bank.

"Skripal had received the secret information that he reported to the British services from former colleagues after leaving the military," the FSB said in a release at the time of his trial in 2006. The Russian daily Izvestia said at that time that Skripal passed the identities of "dozens of his former colleagues operating in Europe under cover, in particular, their secret meeting venues, addresses and passwords."

Prosecutors originally sought a 15-year sentence. It was reduced to 13 years because he cooperated with investigators, confessed and was in poor health, according to the FSB.

KGB Maj. Gennady Vasilenko was arrested in 1988 in Havana and brought back to Moscow, where he was interrogated about his contacts with Jack Platt, a CIA officer in Washington. According to several published accounts, the two were unable to recruit each other and ended up friends. But after six months of imprisonment and interrogation, Vasilenko was released without charge and fired.

He and Platt eventually went into business together, providing security services in Moscow and the United States for international companies. In 2005, however, Vasilenko, then 84, was again arrested in Moscow and charged with illegal weapons possession. In 2006, he was sentenced to three years in prison; it is unknown whether he was released by the time this week's swap was arranged.

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_and_Russia_announce_spy_swap
US and Russia announce spy swap
Friday, July 9, 2010

The United States and Russia yesterday agreed to the swap of prisoners held by both nations after eleven Russian spies were arrested late last month.
The swap will include the ten Russian spies arrested on US soil (the eleventh was arrested in Cyprus and subsequently escaped) and four spies being held in Russia on charges of espionage. The spies arrested by the US all pled guilty to charges of "conspiracy to act as an unregistered agent of a foreign country." Below are the Russian spies who were convicted (cover names are in quotes, while real names are unquoted):

"Richard and Cynthia Murphy"
Vicky Paleaz
"Juan Lazaro"
Anna Chapman
Mikhail Zemenko
"Michael Zottoli" and "Patricia Mills"
"Donald Howard Heathfield" and "Tracy Lee Ann Foley"


Snowden's statement about Russia won't swap a Spy (trying to say he is not a spy) is delusional. He can't use that justification that he is not guilty of espionage, or working for the Russians in some capacity. Russia and the US swap when it is expedient. Gut feeling, he was used, to "shake the tree" so that NETWORKS could be determined, to see who jumps, thereby revealing who NSA needs to watch closely.

[Omni]

I wish the best for Snowden. Let's hope this is a bunch of BS. Shame on Trump for calling him a traitor and saying to execute him.


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[Bob]

Planted Information
from CI Glossary (2011)
by Office of the Director of National Intelligence & Office of the Director of National Intelligence, National Counterintelligence and Security Center
False or misleading information that the target has been permitted or helped to collect.

Purpose:

https://books.google.com/books?id=c7wwc6WMmCoC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=%22planted+information%22+purpose&source=bl&ots=7Z_tDihHFE&sig=CkRx2dY1mqhYxKyGjHI9SLDOcYM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSsr70uIvSAhUlOpoKHaV3A70Q6AEIMTAF#v=onepage&q=%22planted%20information%22%20purpose&f=false


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From Operational Deception in the Information Age


Why Deceive?
Designed to mislead by distorting, manipulating,
or falsifying information available to it,
deception can induce an enemy to do something
contrary to its interests.

Joint Pub 3-58, Joint Doctrine
for Military Deception, defines it as “those actions
executed to deliberately mislead adversary
military decisionmakers as to friendly military
capabilities, intentions, and operations, thereby
causing the adversary to take specific actions that
will contribute to the accomplishment of the
friendly mission.”

It is also understood to include
planned measures for conveying true or
false information pertaining to one’s strategic
plans, strength, dispositions, operations, or tactics
to cause an enemy to reach false estimates
and act on them.

Deception can be designed to delude an
enemy...

From - http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a525610.pdf reference

What an interesting concept, that Snowden could have been given information designed to reveal who's who out there.. Who's supporting, who's networking, who's against whom..


In the MINIMUM, the alleged "Snowden Leaks" gave us ALL the impression that there is a big bad wolf, all powerful all omnipresent watching every move.

What if they are NOT?

What if all that "worry" out there is designed to give an all powerful illusion? The cop that will take down everyone? A massive psyops?

Certainly eschelon and prism exist, no question, and abilities to monitor so called "secure TOR", but what if, just what if, Snowden was the ultimate probe designed to stir the pot? Certainly seemed "believable"... what a great theme for a Hollywood movie - wait !!

they DID make a movie out of it :) Gee, are there books too being put out about the big bad 'wolf' doing mind control ops, spying, etc. ?

Just fascinating looking at what could have been the greatest mind-_____'s in recent times.. "Lumos", reveal yourselves... hmmm

President Trump upon finding out that the "Snowden Operation" (thinking maybe they will call it the "Snowden Affair"... not sure..) was a massive counter-intel psyop may not want him back (as it would provide no useful "data" dissemination strategy at this point), that Russia's Putin has no "chip" to offer.. And Trump once again will have won in negotiations strategy...

:popcorn:

PS - I REALLY like reading this DTIC mil review of DECEPTION and how it is done and why - it is a good read (follow it, it is enlightening)..

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a525610.pdf

save a copy so that if it "disappears" one will have a good reference

[Bob]

NSA is laughing in our faces.

I have to commend them, bravo DUDES ! To pull off the Snowden Affair, and get the whole WORLD to believe you are so omnisensitive to all data coming in is a feat of magic not seen since the Kennedy Affair(s).. Bravo Bravo !

https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/tech-journals/assets/files/cover-and-deception.pdf

From your own documentation revealed to the public, a document released..


INELLIGENCE
The formulation of strategy, it has been suggested, demands an
intimate knowledge of the enemy's "situation," such a "situation''
consisting not only of the physical characteristics of the enemy force
-its strength, disposition, and capabilities - but also its intentions,
fears, general military doctrine, and other intangibles. Knowledge
of the enemy is gained through intelligence, which term, somewhat
unfortunately, denotes both a process and a product.

In a world made up of sovereign states, each state has vital national
interests which are frequently in conflict with those of other states.
Wherever there is a conflict of interests, there is a danger of hostiliies,
and in order for a nation to be in the best possible position to formulate
policies and to organize and deploy its forces, it is essential that
there be a continuing effort to collect and evaluate information relating
to the attitudes, "capabilities, and probable intentions of potential
enemy nations. "

This process is intelligence, and its function is to
observe, report, evaluate and summarize, and to repeat tbat cycle
again and again.

Where strategic intelligence ends and tactical intelligence begins
is not easy to state, and is a somewhat academic point since, for
the most part, intelligence is separated into recognizable "types,"
as for example, industrial intelligence, military intelligence, naval
intelligence, combat intelligence, signal intelligence.

The intelligence
activities at any government level are organized and conducted in a
manner consistent with the mission and function of the organizational
unit concerned.

So make oneself the "Big Bad Wolf" so as to create maximum "jitter" in the information media, and then, watch closely what changes, see what "chatter" is out there.. Dudes, Brilliant !!!

more:


Intelligence relates to deception not only because our own intelligence
must provide us with the information needed for planning.

But also because it is at the intelligence organization of the opposing
force that our deception is aimed.

There can be no deception unless
means exist to convey the contrived information to the individual
empowered tn order the action which is desired.

Picking Snowden, as a "whistle blower", using MSM to disseminate the "data" planted was brilliant. It got the WHOLE world motivated, showed the whole world how boogey man like the NSA is, again BRAVO.

Why Snowden tho? Some character trait analyzed like how Oswald would perform over time?

Hayden seems to allude to some traits observed (see posts above).


Hayden: Snowden is "a troubled young man" and "morally arrogant to a tremendous degree," and

Hayden went further, and likened Snowden to an old fugitive wasting away during the Cold War: "I suspect he will end up like most of the rest of the defectors who went to the old Soviet Union: Isolated, bored, lonely, depressed -- and most of them ended up alcoholics" (Peterson). Like the charges of narcissism, grandiosity and sexual deviance, the idea of whistleblowers as "loners" has been seen attached to previous whistleblowers.

OK we see why then Snowden was picked. Right?

WHO would you please tell us was the committee who thought this dude Snowden was to be the ideal patsy? (I seem to recall Oswald back in the Kennedy days, and SirHan SirHan was used. What was the logic behind that, maximum RACE or anti-Russian sentiment or anti-arab sentiment was desired? Please enlighten us on the logic..) This is important to understand how the intelligence group needs to find the right patsy to create the 'most good'. The 'most good' for the mission statement is in-fact the prime directive, which surpasses Presidential transition, correct? We ARE Patriots, right?

ref - SirHan Sirhan and Oswald - Notes - http://halbower.blogspot.com/2009/02/twelve-strange-coincidence.html - this is an INTERESTING read.. :)

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden's hilarious (and uninformed statement) about if he is a SPY why would Russia send him back..

I think Snowden said/meant he cannot be a Russian operative , not an American
spy even if he was a desk jockey:ranger: Not a frontline operative...:spy::spy::spy:
if they send him home to America. As they would not send him back to the US if he
is one of their own Russian agents.

But yes they could send an American spy back if the situation arose....

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RT NEWS....

Reports that Moscow is to ‘gift’ Snowden to Trump meant to pressure new
administration – Zakharova
Published time: 12 Feb, 2017 10:34

Recent reports that whistleblower Edward Snowden will be “gifted” to President
Trump are meant to scandalize public opinion and show that the new administration
continues to face pressure from opponents, said Russian Foreign Ministry
spokeswoman.

“Today, US intelligence agencies have stepped up their work, updating two stale
stories, ‘Russia can gift Snowden to Trump’ and ‘confirmation found on the details
of the scandalous dossier on Trump allegedly collected by an ex-employee of British
intelligence.’ But it may seem so only to those who do not understand the essence
of the game,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote in a Facebook
post on Sunday.

read more....
https://www.rt.com/news/377103-zakharova-trump-us-administration/

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Edward Snowden Retweeted
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald · Jan 18

Clinton's top CIA surrogate Mike Morrell has been urging
Putin give Snowden to Trump as a "gift." Russia's response:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/821821046739308544

THE NEW YORK TIMES....
Russia Extends Edward Snowden’s Asylum
By ANDREW E. KRAMERJAN. 18, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/europe/edward-snowden-asylum-russia.html?_r=1

[Bob]

Zakharova is the Russian Propaganda mouthpiece.. I cannot believe anything comes out of her mouth that she is not parroting what directives have been given to her to spin for the Russian's Kremlin directives.

Any immigration authorities extending Snowden's welcome is easily over-ridden by Putin. However I don't think Trump wants Snowden back if he has been briefed that Snowden was a psyops operation conducted by the NSA to make them seem "all powerful".. They are not. But something which would cause the whole world to focus on Snowden, "revealing hidden information" would catch the attention of all. That logic is brilliant.. simply brilliant.. People love a conspiracy and they fell totally into it. Trump has made it very clear, he wants to drain the swamp, there is no other way to do that without stirring the pot, or in the Snowden Affair, making it seem that there are infinite monitors on personal private matters, to "freak" out everyone.

The moment people feel that they are spied on, is when something will change, and that change is what is being looked for, any change in communications.. THAT then gets them flagged, imho..

[Cidersomerset]

Zakharova is the Russian Propaganda mouthpiece.. I cannot believe anything
comes out of her mouth that she is not parroting what directives have been given to
her to spin for the Russian's Kremlin directives.

Definitely just like Kelly Anne , Maria Harf , Jen Psaki , Sean Spicer and all the others.....


State Dept's Harf accuses AP's Matt Lee of 'buying into Russian propaganda'
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Matt Lee bulldozes State Department's Jen Psaki over Edward Snowden's free speech

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Publishe....2013

[Cidersomerset]

As you know Trump is under a lot of pressure about his pro Russian comments
and many are attacking him in the US , there is a article today about UK
attacks coincidently. More scare, scare, scare.....


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

UK targeted by 'dozens' of serious cyber attacks each month

Britain's security has been threatened by 188 high-level cyber attacks
in the last three months, according to a government security chief.

Ciaran Martin, chief executive of the National Cyber Security Centre
(NCSC), told the Sunday Times many of the attacks "threatened national security".

Attempts by Russian and Chinese state-sponsored hackers were
among those being investigated, he added.

Mr Martin spoke ahead of the official opening of the NCSC in London.


read more...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38951172

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Bare in mind UK and US intelligence are close and one will help the other in scare tactics as well...

'No evidence whatsoever of Russian cyber attacks against UK' - former British intel officer

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Published on 12 Feb 2017

The NSA hacked the private mobile phone of German Chancellor Merkel, but nobody
is saying 'we must protect ourselves from America hacking us,' said Annie Machon,
former British intelligence officer. It's an ongoing process of demonizing Russia, she added.

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CIA NN really hate Trump....

Franken: Investigate Trump's Russia

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Published on 12 Feb 2017
Sen. Al Franken calls for an investigation into the Trump administration's
relationship with Russia.

[Bob]

When we are so blinded that NSA can easily mind______ us, we are clearly falling under their spell.. Damn they are good. Understanding exactly how to manipulate MSM and social media..

Knowing EMOTIONAL triggers ARE the way to get to anyone, the moment EMOTION is triggered the mind is OPENED to programming or spin, or in frank, anything.. That is how it is done..

It is a tossup, is it the Snowden Affair or Pizzagate, or Vatican-Gate affair (Priests molesting kids) which will be the best button to use on people. I think it is a tossup.. Many people will choose Pizzagate or the Vatican affair priests molesting children (the ultimate abuse of TRUST)... to be their button. We shall see, how the Snowden button is used. I have seen enough threads and post on all 3 to say people are intensely opened up and therefore manipulated by the "data" offered afterwards by, MSM. :)

So what we can ask ourselves, IS Snowden a Chip to be bartered to the US? Is the Snowden leaked information "real" or a carefully planned campaign by the NSA to use Snowden and the MSM to create a desired "belief system", and is Snowden going to be traded? If we believe the Propaganda ministers nobody can be sure of anything... we see what they want us to see. What though do we believe and WHY do we believe that? That may offer some insight into ourselves and how we believe we fit into the scheme of things worldwide.

BTW, Lou Dobbs (Fox Business) who would have jumped on ANY pro-Trump scoop refused to even come close (the plutonium nature of Snowden being used by NSA to create a massive campaign against the world) to even mention Snowden - very out of character, but also very revealing that FOX is looking closely at the potential that we all have been "used" by NSA.. Can we hear "MockingBird" out in the distance coming closer? We shall see.

[Bob]

Understanding the manipulative Snowden Film -

we all have been "used" by NSA that is something to keep in mind, when EMOTION is triggered the mind is opened, able to be lead by the breadcrumbs skillfully placed by the trained operator... never forget this...

http://www.nextgov.com/technology-news/tech-insider/2016/09/former-nsa-deputy-director-calls-out-snowden-movie-grossly-inaccurate/131911/

John Breeden II is an award-winning journalist and reviewer with over 20 years of experience covering technology and government. He is currently the CEO of the Tech Writers Bureau, a group that creates technological thought leadership content for organizations of all sizes. Twitter: @LabGuys

The new Oliver Stone film, "Snowden," promises to tell the true story of contractor Edward Snowden in his quest to expose a National Security Agency program that could allegedly track all forms of digital communication. Even with my limited perspective as a journalist who covered that event, I knew enough to spot dozens of historical and technical inaccuracies while watching the film. But I wanted to see just how badly the facts were mangled, so I sat down with Chris Inglis, who was the deputy director of the NSA during the incident.

“The film was grossly incorrect technically, but that was not the most egregious thing about the movie,” Inglis said. “It’s that it was spiritually incorrect. It was well wide of conveying a true sense of how the NSA purports itself, on what its role was and on what Snowden’s role was.”

And it’s a topic that Inglis remembers well. When watching the film, emotions about Snowden’s betrayal are raw, even though he says that he has never allowed them to negatively affect him. “I can’t afford those emotions,” Inglis said. “In the summer of 2013, we suffered a disastrous loss of our capabilities, so what I told the workforce was that they had every right to be angry, disappointed and possibly your hearts are broken ... but you can’t afford that. Because you have to do your job, which is to keep people safe, at a time when your capabilities have been terribly undermined.”

The film portrays Snowden as a patriot who becomes disillusioned with the U.S. after seeing the NSA trampling individual rights. Inglis says nothing is further from the truth, and that Snowden was a low-level contractor with suspect motives who would not have even had the capability to see many of the things his character experienced in in the film, even if any of it were actually true.

“As a system admin, his job was to activate and deactivate accounts, populate SharePoint servers, show people how to collect and how to search,” Inglis said. “But he never had access to the tools themselves. He was never allowed to search or to write reports. So when he, at a distance, saw these capabilities, he came to false conclusions about how they were being used…in most cases, he got it dead wrong.”

In the film Snowden is elevated from his IT job to that of an almost super spy type of character with wide-ranging powers and responsibilities that he never had in real life. This mirrors what Snowden said back in 2013, when he bragged that he as an analyst could have targeted the communications of the president of the United States.

Inglis says that is a complete lie, for several reasons. First off, Snowden was never an analyst, and never had targeting authority. Secondly, the systems are not set up to be able to easily target domestic communications. Instead, they are designed to monitor foreign traffic where the most useful intelligence resides. And finally, even if Snowden had tried to do anything like that, he would not have been able to because there are built-in two-person control authorizations for all of those systems.

The movie also fails from a technical standpoint, giving the NSA seemingly god-like technical powers that simply don’t exist according to Inglis, at least not in the high-tech futuristic ways they are depicted in the movie. “The depiction of the telephone metadata database, I don’t know if that was Oliver Stone’s characterization or Snowden’s, but it’s grossly wrong,” Inglis said. “NSA does have some impressive technology, though we are probably lagging behind the private sector for some of it, to put together some very intricate patterns to create predictive insights, but you wouldn’t apply it to the US person’s telephone metadata.”

“What they showed up on the screen, and I am not saying there is not an assembler like that—I think it’s technically feasible—but what they showed contained pictures, real-time content, email and social media connections, all of which was, by law, off the table,” Inglis said. “You could not use the telephone metadata that way. The movie made it seem like the NSA used that to gain deep insights into the domestic affairs of citizens, and that is simply not true.”

In fact, in all of 2012 when Snowden supposedly became shocked and disillusioned with the government, Inglis says the metadata was only queried 288 times. It could only be done if a foreign number connected with one of three terrorist groups was suspected of reaching out to a contact inside the U.S. Analysts would input the suspected foreign number and if it was connecting to a phone inside the U.S., that new number would be spit back out. The results only gave the U.S. number, not any names or anything else connected to it. Inglis said the NSA then had to call the FBI for help in getting more information about the new number, something he says it did only 13 times in 2012. That is a far cry from the all-knowing, all-seeing supercomputer depicted in the Snowden movie.

Inglis has since left his position at NSA, though not because of Snowden. In fact, he was getting ready to retire when the incident broke and decided to stay on for an additional year to help the agency rebuild. Today he spreads out his time in various ways, including teaching cyber studies as a visiting professor at the U.S. Naval Academy, performing charity work and acting as the chairman of the Securonix Strategic Advisory Board. He is also the chairman of the NSA’s National Cryptologic Museum in Fort Meade, Maryland.

Securonix worked with Inglis to create a short video pointing out some of the very high-level mistakes made by the movie, and to explain why people should likely not take almost anything depicted in it as fact.

https://youtu.be/5dCBjvHOl3o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dCBjvHOl3o

Inglis seems to have weathered the storm personally just as the agency he used to lead did. “My experience with the NSA has been very helpful to me in my second career,” he said. “And my experience with Snowden has also been helpful because I can now help people know what it’s like to deal with a low-probability high conflict event, and what you have to think about when you consider that it might happen to you. I can also share what mistakes we made, and help others avoid them.”

[Wind]

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[Bob]

Back in September 29, 2013, when the Snowden Affair was unfolding, Lee Rogers, of Blacklisted News took a critical look at Snowden, and the buttons presented by the Media.

Here are a few of his observations and questions from his article (http://www.blacklistednews.com/NSA_Leaker_Edward_Snowden_Seems_To_Be_Another_False_Hero_Created_By_Intelligence_And_Media_Circles/29228/0/34/34/Y/M.html)


Ever since Edward Snowden the former NSA contractor leaked a myriad of secret documents exposing these programs, we hear more and more about just how wide spread the NSA’s activities have been. But who exactly is Edward Snowden?

This is a question that not very many people have asked.

He just has the look and feel of a character invented by media hype and propaganda.

The "Buttons" being tested on people through the MEDIA (apparently to gauge which ones get the most traction and discussion) - WHICH of those buttons below do you react to? Gauge them on a scale of 1-10, where 10 is the most reactive feeling, and 1 is the least..


NSA Gathers Data On Social Connections Of U.S. Citizens
NSA Disguised Itself As Google To Spy Say Reports
NSA Spied On Brazilian and Mexican Presidents
NSA Is Also Grabbing Millions Of Credit Card Records
Protesting NSA Spying Brazil’s Leader Postpones White House Visit
The NSA Is Reading All The Stuff You Think You Have Encrypted
NSA Shares Raw Intelligence Including Americans’ Data With Israel
NSA Is Wired Into Top Internet Companies’ Servers, Including Google and Facebook


Believability (or lack thereof) of Snowden


It is extremely hard to believe that the most well-funded and sophisticated data collection organization in existence could suffer such an enormous document leak detailing its high level operations from anyone even if they had broader network access like Snowden.

Snowden in particular was a contract employee who had only held this position for a few months so it is difficult to understand how this even happened in the first place.

NSA had 1,000 systems administrators on staff many of which had to be exclusively focused on information security. {We can only assume that} the leaks were part of a sanctioned operation. The fact that he (Snowden) was just able to grab a treasure trove of files, copy it on to a USB drive and walk out with little difficulty sounds like fantasy.


Background question about US ARMY service: We are told that he enlisted in the U.S. Army as a Special Forces recruit but was discharged after breaking both of his legs in a training accident. This doesn’t make sense because the U.S. Army wouldn’t discharge someone just because their legs were broken. They would be allowed to heal and would resume training once they were 100%.

The U.S. Army won’t discharge somebody unless they feel as if they have no other choice.

His alleged discharge also happened at around the same time when stop loss policies were put into place to prevent people from leaving due to the on-going Iraq war so who knows how true all of this is. The U.S. Army has not released his DD-214 or discharge papers so much of this is difficult to confirm.


Following Snowden’s alleged training accident he found work as a security guard for the Center for Advanced Study of Language at the University of Maryland.

Shortly after his security guard work, he landed a job at the CIA dealing with information technology (IT) security.

How does one go from being a security guard, to working at the CIA in IT security with no prior IT job experience or credentials?

Snowden claimed that he had no trouble getting the job because he was a computer wizard.

If he was such a computer wizard why didn’t he get a computer related job to begin with instead of taking a job as a security guard?

It is true that there are some people who get high paying technology jobs without degrees and credentials but those people usually have a breadth of experience.

Snowden had no real world technology job experience. The whole story reeks of lies.

At only 23 years of age he is put in charge of maintaining network security. So here we have someone with no prior technology job experience and they just decide to put him in charge of network security? This is a role that would more often than not go to somebody with much more experience.

After Snowden’s work at the CIA he held various contract positions.


He (Snowden) had only worked at Booz Allen Hamilton inside the NSA for three months before leaking the documents.

So after just three months in this position he was able to find all of these documents exposing at a high level all of these sensitive NSA programs?

Common sense would dictate that this is a very unlikely scenario.

Salary Lies


Snowden also claimed that he was given a $200,000 a year salary where as Booz Allen Hamilton said he was making $120,000 a year.


Are we really to believe that this guy is such a saint that he willfully decided to ruin his life, give up a high paying job and a comfortable lifestyle in order to expose all of this information?

Most people who decide to join the CIA in any capacity are professional liars to begin with so this in of itself is hard to believe.

Organized Media Campaign


Shortly after Snowden made his way to Hong Kong professionally made banners supporting him immediately began popping up out of the ether around the city.

Even flash mobs were organized in support of him.

How convenient considering that the CIA through his own admission have maintained a significant presence in Hong Kong.

Who's backing him? Over in Russia when he landed, only one organization was releasing photos - Human Rights Watch.


George Soros the billionaire is a big financial backer of the organization which explains the organization’s biased leanings.


There are undoubtedly many other questions surrounding the whole Snowden story but these in of themselves are enough to indicate that Snowden is probably another phony hero created by the intelligence and media circles.

[norman]

[I can't find a previous posting of this interview]

This is the best interview with Snowden I've ever heard.

Here's just one little gem from his mind:

"Privacy is the foundation of all other rights. I would say, arguing that you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide, is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say".

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