Oroville Dam... (California, Spring 2017 - current)

[Eric J (Viking)]

Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/10/oroville-dam-break-growing-no-evacuations/amp/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc

Viking

[fourty-two]

When I asked a local geologist about the risk ha replied"Concerning and urgent yes, not a disaster in waiting though. From the pictures, the spillway is constructed on bedrock, and they have underflow that has undermined the concrete liner of the spillway... if the spillway ran over the dam itself and was eroding downwards into the earthen dam, that would be way worse"
A bit of further inquiry tells that an emergency spillway is ready if needed.

[ThePythonicCow]

Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...
Later this same day - evacuations are in progress: BREAKING: Marysville, Yuba County evacuated as Oroville spillway collapse feared (Sacramento Bee) (http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html).

The Oroville Dam is the largest dam in the US. The primary spillway developed a massive hole in the concrete liner of the chute that the water flows down. They had just started trying the alternative "emergency" spillway within the last day, but that spillway has started failing massively, eroding back up to the edge of the concrete wall at the edge of Lake Oroville.

There is far more snow pack in the Sierras, above Lake Oroville (the massive lake formed behind the Oroville dam) than in recent years. Even if they manage to get through the next few days, once that snow pack starts melting, they are going to have serious problems on their hands.

This is the primary source of water for the California central valley, which at one time (before the draught of the last few years) had been the most productive vegetable growing region in the US, perhaps the world.

Houston - we have a problem.

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When I asked a local geologist about the risk ha replied"Concerning and urgent yes, not a disaster in waiting though. From the pictures, the spillway is constructed on bedrock, and they have underflow that has undermined the concrete liner of the spillway... if the spillway ran over the dam itself and was eroding downwards into the earthen dam, that would be way worse"
A bit of further inquiry tells that an emergency spillway is ready if needed.

That "way worse" problem is what they saw today. The emergency spillway was put into use for the first time, and it started eroding back into the earthen dam, quite a bit more rapidly, at lower water flow rates, than anticipated.

[ThePythonicCow]

This article has several large pictures, showing the Oroville dam, the primary spillway (which has the hole in the concrete liner) and the emergency spillway (which we learned today was less capable than designed for): https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/

[RunningDeer]

Update Oroville Dam Overtops, Govt Still Refuses to Order Evacuation Preparations (309)
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Published on Feb 12, 2017

The California Government assured the citizens that the emergency spillway would not be used in the lake overflow as Oroville Dam's concrete spillway collapsed due to structural failure at 65,000 CFS release. Now with the lower hydroelectric facility discharge out flow clogged with debris there will be +12,000 CFS flow over top and also authorities will scale back flow from collapsed spillway to 35,000 CFS from 55,000 CFS which means and extra 32,000 CFS will pour over the untested emergency spillway.

THOSE IN THE DRAINAGE BASIN OF THIS DAM NEED TO PREPARE TO POSSIBLY EVACUATE. IF THE ORDER IS GIVEN YOU WILL HAVE LESS THAN 30 MINUTES TO LEAVE. PREPARE NOW.

LIVE WATER HEIGHT REPORTS http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO&d=11-Feb-2017+18:29&span=24hours


Not sure anyone has covered this , but looks somewhat worrying.

Oroville Dam Break Growing, But No Evacuations ...

[onawah]

This is the FB message that was posted 3 hours ago at:
https://www.facebook.com/bcsonews/posts/781255845358029

Butte County Sheriff
3 hrs ·
This is an evacuation order.
Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream is ordered.

A hazardous situation is developing with the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway. Operation of the auxiliary spillway has lead to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the structure. Failure of the auxiliary spillway structure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.
In response to this developing situation, DWR is increasing water releases to 100,000 cubic feet per second.
Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream is ordered.
This in NOT A Drill. This in NOT A Drill. This in NOT A Drill.

[onawah]

The comments from viewers on this youtube page are saying that the MSM is not reporting honestly about how serious this is.
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From the air yesterday
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[KiwiElf]

Live updates here:

http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

[ThePythonicCow]

From Zerohedge: 100,000 People Are Evacuating Over "Imminent Failure" Of California's Oroville Dam (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-12/thousands-are-evacuating-after-californias-oroville-dam-predicted-fail-minutes):


Update: NBC reports that the spillway has now failed: "The Oroville Dam’s auxiliary spillway has failed, forcing the evacuations of several counties in California, with between 60,000 and 100,000 people forced to evacuate from Butte, County, Calif., alone."

More at the above Zerohedge link.

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From the Sacramento Fox40 station: Evacuations Ordered Due to ‘Hazardous Situation’ Developing at Oroville Dam Emergency Spillway (http://fox40.com/2017/02/12/evacuations-ordered-for-parts-of-oroville-due-to-hazardous-situation-developing-at-emergency-spillway/):




OROVILLE — Immediate evacuations have been ordered for residents of the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream, according to officials with the California Department of Water Resources.

Officials say a hazardous situation is developing with the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway. The operation of the auxiliary spillway has led to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the auxiliary spillway.

Officials were anticipating a failure of the auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam by 6 p.m. So far flows are normal, but the next few hours will be crucial in determining whether the structure will hold up.

Failure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.

The DWR is increasing water released to 100,000 cubic feet per second.

Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream have been ordered.

The National Weather Service has issued a flash flood warning for possible dam failure. Areas affected include Oroville, Palermo, Gridley, Thermalito, South Oroville, Oroville Dam, Oroville East and Wyandotte.

Residents should evacuate in a northward direction, toward Chico. Disabled residents who cannot get help from friends or family should call 911 for assistance.

The flash flood warning is in effect until 10:35 p.m. Monday. Residents who have been evacuated should not return until they are told it is safe to do so.

The Butte County Sheriff’s Department says that helicopters will be depositing rock-filled containers to strengthen the potential failure point.

[enfoldedblue]

Lately i have been feeling as though the dam of information...upheld by MSM has been getting more and more fragile...with leaks spinging up all over the place. On a symbolic level i wonder if this event represents this phenomenon. Hoping every one is safe!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well everyone keep trying to nudge that storm up...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

I Tweeted Trump earlier telling him it's a National emergency to save this dam, need helicopter cement drops immediately.

They are showing helicopters preparing to go drops of rocks/boulders to slow the erosion.

Wednesday this storm is due to hit. Water levels that was rising at half a foot an hour is slowing down...

Hot weather is melting snow, they have to do major patches tonight...


Just so everyone knows, if this dam goes a 200ft wave will wash over Sacramento and Davis close to 600,000 in danger beyond the 120k already evacuated.

My sister unbuckled the straps to their boat, she is in the path.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone has been following the events at the Oroville dam since it first became public (a week ago?). He remains convinced that it was deliberate sabotage that initially caused the failure in the main spillway's wall.

Here is Jim Stone's current take on this (from his website at http://82.221.129.208/baasepagew7.html):

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THE OROVILLE DAM IS GOING TO FAIL. MANDATORY EVACUATIONS NOW.

UPDATE: By opening the primary spillway to 115,000 cfs they drained the top foot and a half off the reservoir quickly and dropped the lake level to below the emergency spillway level. However, so much erosion happened that they don't know how far below that they need to go to get the water to stop flowing around the emergency spillway through an erosion breach. THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN THE ALL CLEAR, but it might be getting better, my guess.

They decided to sacrifice what's left of the main spillway to stop a catastrophic failure elsewhere. That won't last, more rain is coming and record snow is there to melt.

There were a few readers who said I reported about the dam too much. I kept on it, because I strongly believe the spillway failure was sabotage. And I did not think they would sabotage the spillway unless they had run endless 3d modeling proving an absolute failure would result. I was confident this failure was the end result of careful modeling and sabotage to make it happen, but did not say it because it sounded too "out there".

And now, TOO BAD, I'D RATHER BE WRONG but now the emergency spillway is failing also, because it is just too much water to run over a damaged dam. I believe communists in California's government blew the primary spillway up with explosives. After that, nature would finish the catastrophe. And I believe they carefully planned this out fully, complete with ground penetrating radar scans to prove there would be a horrible end result. That is the type of people that are running California now, I would not put this one inch past them.

Whatever happens now all depends upon how strong the rock in the mountain is that all of this water is going to flow over. Hopefully we will only lose the top 50 feet of water, and not all 770 feet of it. The dam report will be updated regularly in the embedded window.

THIS IS NOT A FUTURE EVENT. THE FAILURE IS HAPPENING NOW. IF YOU LIVE DOWNSTREAM FROM THE OROVILLE DAM, BUG OUT NOW
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[ThePythonicCow]

The tin-foil-hat, conspiracy theory nutcase in me thinks that Jim Stone (previous post) might be onto something.

I wouldn't put it past the bastards in power to first weaken the agriculture production of California's central valley with years of draught (using weather control and also using a faked up controversy over the "snail darter fish" to justify draining years of dammed up reserve water supply), and then follow that up with record rain and snow that California is currently seeing this winter, and taking out the tallest dam in the US, so that it will overwhelmed by the record spring melt, coming in the next month or two.

The California Central Valley may be due for historic flooding - just as described a couple of days ago in the article Is California overdue for biblical, catastrophic flooding? History says it could be (San Francisco Chronicle) (http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-due-for-biblical-flooding-arkstorm-10921370.php):

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With this recent cavalcade of rainstorms, there's been renewed interest in a 2011 USGS study on the so-called "ARkStorm." In it, the USGS lays out a case for a hypothetical "megastorm," one that could cause up to $725 billion in damage and impact a quarter of California's homes.

The ARkStorm would bring with it catastrophic rains, hurricane-force winds and hundreds of landslides. Central Valley flooding alone is projected to span 300 miles.

If that sounds far-fetched, there's historic precedent: Geological evidence indicates that California endures massive flooding caused by atmospheric rivers every 100-200 years. And settlers who moved to California after the Gold Rush soon found what the native population had known for centuries: Northern California is prime flooding territory.

The most prominent example is the Great Flood of 1862, a natural disaster that still ranks as the largest flood in the history of the American West. Between Dec. 1861 and Jan. 1862, the West Coast received a near-constant deluge of rain. Sacramento received a stunning 23 inches in that period, turning the city into a watery ghost town.

"The people are leaving the city as rats would a sinking ship" the Red Bluff Independent wrote on Jan. 14.

As flood waters rose, it took entire houses with it. Little two-story wooden houses were carried off whole and eyewitness reports in the local papers said the flowing waters were full of furniture and dead livestock. Thirty foot-tall telegraph poles, which had recently been installed between New York and San Francisco, were fully submerged.

That was hardly the worst of it. A Tuolumne County paper reported that 1,400 Chinese migrants died in the flooding state-wide. One-third of the property in the state was destroyed and 800,000 cattle died, a mass die-off that marked "the beginning of the end of the cattle-based ranchero society in California."

Settlers realized the homes that survived had something in common: They were built in the spots where Native Americans originally put down settlements. Native stories spoke of the Sacramento Valley as an inland sea. For centuries, they'd seen the valley fill with water, and the Nevada City Democrat reported that "Indians living in the vicinity of Marysville left their abodes a week or more ago for the foothills predicting an unprecedented overflow. "

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One favorite way of the bastards in power to bring a nation under control is to devastate their food supply, as Stalin is famous for having done in the Ukraine, in the 1930's, and as might have been what caused the famous potatoe famine, that brought my ancestors on the Scotch-Irish side over to America.

Devastating California's Central Valley would be a key part of getting at America's food supply, and it looks like this might well be what is happening.

The Central Valley is one of the most productive farming regions in the world. It produces more than half of the fruits, vegetables and nuts grown in the United States.

Here's a map showing the top ten crops grown in the valley:

http://thepythoniccow.us/Central_Valley_Crops.jpg

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If one combines this with the consequences of the US Dollar losing it's Reserve Status, thus making imports two or three times more expensive, relative than domestic goods, than they are now, then lots of Americans will be going hungry in coming years.

[RunningDeer]

Good coverage from the air.
Published on Feb 12, 2017

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[uzn]

That´s some hours ago, the parking area is completely gone. More and more water is making its way around the emergency Spillway ! The street to the dam is not useable anymore and will soon be gone. More than 160.000 are fleeing the area.
http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-1106237-860_poster_16x9-fhal-1106237.jpg

http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-1106234-galleryV9-kvpz-1106234.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQSUJGzjmAI

[Rocky_Shorz]

Paul, we are recycling toilet water and nuclear radiated ocean water, this reserve was years of clean fresh water. I said it was bombed first day I saw it.

Well the good news is the earthquake about to hit is only expected to be a 5.0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWuXne-dfzQ[/url]

Almost 200k evacuated the area last night, logistical nightmare, imagine if they waited until the last minute... a major breach would put Oroville under 100 feet of water.

Remember, conspiracies are all real in the alternate reality, the Elites told us their plans and we sit around watching the magic trying to tell how the magician did it.

In the alternate reality, what many call enlightenment, there are no coincidences or conspiracies, just fake news... 😉

My reality is 2 parents in wheel chairs, one with a mouth that never stops, the other with the memory of a door nob... I prefer the alternative...

Yale was finally allowed to release their study showing vaccines cause brain damage...

They've both had too many...

A vaccine to prevent us from catching a cold from a South African Beatle? We'll take it...

[Octavusprime]

Really? You guys think they bombed it on purpose? Come on, the more plausible explanation is years of drought causes the 45 year old earthen spillway to become dry and brittle. Now we get a year of high rain and the earthen barrier shifts/moves/breaks. This isn't a conspiracy, it is a disaster. Sacramento valley was built in a flood plain. We build most of the levees/dams/sloughs in the 50's and no one is willing to spend the billions to do the maintenance. It's more a case of people and the government are more reactive than proactive. We don't fix stuff until there is a disaster.

I live in Sacramento and no we aren't in much danger. The immediate areas have been evacuated for good reason. The valley is HUGE and is built for seasonal flooding. If the Oroville dam breaks it will dissipate over the millions of acres of farm land, hit the thousands of levee's and sloughs and then go out to sea before it hits Sacramento.

It will and has caused significant damage and those in the immediate downstream area are in danger and could lose their houses/land but it won't consume the entire Valley. Have you seen how big the valley is?

[Hervé]

[...]
... the more plausible explanation is years of drought causes the 45 year old earthen spillway to become dry and brittle....
[...]
Yep, high speed water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter) mixed with sandy particles can do a lot of damage expanding cracks into potholes and then into sink holes... which is what the damaged spillway looked like at one point.


https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/c4lpkywueaaezj7.jpg
2013: maintenance trucks on the spillway.

http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/oroville-dam-overflow-2.jpg

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/vjdldz/picture131475504/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/KG_oro_spillway_damage_9974

http://image.redbluffdailynews.com/storyimage/ND/20170210/NEWS/170219998/AR/0/AR-170219998.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well if you wanted Trump's attention, would you tell him some farms are going to get wet, or that the Capitol of California is about to be washed off the map because the evil Elites plan to destroy all fresh water?

Remember the Elites announce their plan, pull it off, then use their media giants to prove it wasn't them.

One thing we have been taught well is how fake news can be very convincing... :pound:

[Octavusprime]

Well if you wanted Trump's attention, would you tell him some farms are going to get wet, or that the Capitol of California is about to be washed off the map because the evil Elites plan to destroy all fresh water?

Remember the Elites announce their plan, pull it off, then use their media giants to prove it wasn't them.

One thing we have been taught well is how fake news can be very convincing... :pound:

I prefer to look at the most plausible explanation for things. Sure we can come up with a million possible explanations but it's just pure speculation and wishful thinking most of the time.

Maybe the Russians, Chinese or Islamic terrorists did it! Maybe an advanced alien civilization did it! Maybe mole people dug too far up and cracked the spillway! I mean let's be real, California want's federal money to build a high speed rail system. Why would we then destroy a dam to divert the money away from that? Let me guess, that is the real plan!!!

The conspiracy theories can be very tempting and some often turn out to be true but sometimes it can go too far and just get exhausting.

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was the highlight of Fulford's report...

Pentagon insider called and said the Kharzarian Nazi overlords of oil are attacking because Quakifornia won't allow fracking...

It does make you wonder what would happen if the big one hit, all our dams are built on the main fault lines...

Trump was meeting with Abe from Japan when I tweeted, maybe he added high speed rails to areas like Oroville for quicker evacuations. Rebuilding dams and evacuation roadways to move 180,000 people out in a few hours.

You can't plan roadways for how many need it each day, but instead how many will need it one day... that is planning...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

[QUOTE]Well the good news is the earthquake about to hit is only expected to be a 5.0


I would imagine a 5.0 could do some damage to a dam that was already compromised,adding more stress to a reservoir that is continuing to fill quickly from snow melt and the raging Feather River. Not to mention that there are at least 4 days of more rain lining up later in the week. BTW, has anyone checked HAARP lately?

Note: As for the California drought, don't know if folks are aware that Nestle extracted 36 million gallons of water from a national forest in California last year to sell as bottled water, even as Californians were ordered to cut their water use because of a historic drought in the state. And the permit that Nestle uses to operate its water pipeline in the San Bernardino national forest costs just $524 (£357) a year.

So they take our water for basically free, and then sell it back to us. What a deal.

[Satori]

Well if you wanted Trump's attention, would you tell him some farms are going to get wet, or that the Capitol of California is about to be washed off the map because the evil Elites plan to destroy all fresh water?

Remember the Elites announce their plan, pull it off, then use their media giants to prove it wasn't them.

One thing we have been taught well is how fake news can be very convincing... :pound:

I prefer to look at the most plausible explanation for things. Sure we can come up with a million possible explanations but it's just pure speculation and wishful thinking most of the time.

Maybe the Russians, Chinese or Islamic terrorists did it! Maybe an advanced alien civilization did it! Maybe mole people dug too far up and cracked the spillway! I mean let's be real, California want's federal money to build a high speed rail system. Why would we then destroy a dam to divert the money away from that? Let me guess, that is the real plan!!!

The conspiracy theories can be very tempting and some often turn out to be true but sometimes it can go too far and just get exhausting.

Agreed. But there's something that keeps gnawing on my mind: The accident at the Oroville Dam early last week that injured 5 people. The accident occurred inside the bowels of the dam. It remains unexplained and anomalous. Within a few days of that accident, the spillway develops the breach and here we are now.

[Hervé]

Spatial relationship between spillway and the actual dam:


http://hips.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/oroville-3-jpg-1486584507.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=900:http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/california-norcal/1120410d1486605807-ot-oroville-reservoir-situation-16507892_10154860849813213_3936172785582866385_n.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well no matter the cause I am a solutions first, then explore causes.

Right now I would air drop cement, level it, and coat top to bottom with this by Wednesday.

Cement dries under water, it will work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAsoTOxwAGI[/url]

Looks like the same material as the emerald tablets, and they lasted 50,000 years...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well no matter the cause I am a solutions first, then explore causes.

Right now I would air drop cement, level it, and coat top to bottom with this by Wednesday.

Cement dries under water, it will work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAsoTOxwAGI[/url]

Looks like the same material as the emerald tablets, and they lasted 50,000 years...

Makes you wonder, if they were privy to the fix...would they fix it? ...

Viking

[Rocky_Shorz]

Urea is made from bat guapo, so all natural...

Looks like it totally bonds into cement


"Have you ever wondered how bats pee and poop while hanging upside down without getting it all over themselves? Me neither. Nevertheless, my son and I discovered the answer today by watching some bats at the zoo. A bat, which had been hanging upside down by its feet, flipped over, hung by its wings, relieved itself, and flipped back upside down. Another one did this shortly after. I never knew that bats' arms/wings were strong enough to hold their body weight, but evidently they are, at least for a short time.".
http://www.makelearningfun.info/2011/09/how-do-bats-poop.html?m=1

[Eric J (Viking)]

Oroville dam emergency demonstrates how incompetent bureaucrats are marching California into catastrophic collapse at every level...

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-02-13-oroville-dam-emergency-demonstrates-how-incompetent-bureaucrats-are-marching-california-into-catastrophic-collapse.html

Viking

[onawah]

Dutchsinse's earthquake update

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[onawah]

EQ potential forming in California 2/13/2017 New fulcrum point / silent zone @ Oroville
More from Dutchsinse
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Tune in about 20 minutes in to hear what he says about the Oroville dam.
It appears that area is a fulcrum point for a 5 point earthquake within the next few days.

[joeecho]

The largest unknown appears to be what nature has coming in the way of weather systems.

Man vs. Nature

I don't know what's coming but it sure still looks ominous to me. Kind of like being it the eye of a storm. The next wave is sure to come and with the castle walls, so to speak, already compromised it will be less likely to hold off what is coming.

I can only imagine how humbling an experience this must be for the Dam's engineers.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone lost his websites domain name, jimstone.is, for a while earlier today. If you still can't get to jimstone.is (server not found or some such error), then use his IP address, as in http://82.221.129.208/.

Jim failed to keep his contact information current with his name service provider, and so they dropped that name. Inforwars.com saw it, and got Jim control of his jimstone.is URL back again, though for some (including myself), it's still not up (and I still have to use the IP). Currently, I see that Level3, GTE, Charter and DNSadvantage name servers are resolving "jimstone.is" again, but that OpenDNS, Google and Verisign name servers still fail to resolve jimstone.is.

Anyway - I mention that because it's Jim Stone's opinion that it was his Oroville coverage that got his DNS taken down. Jim continues to see a major problem here, with a deliberate conspiracy in progress to devastate the California Central Valley. The auxillary emergency spillway was a deeply flawed design from the beginning. It's a huge concrete wall sitting on dirt, and if it's used, as it was for the first time ever this weekend, the water flowing over it eats out the dirt on which the wall sits, from underneath the wall. This will soon lead to a catastrophic failure of that huge concrete wall, and an immense flooding. Meanwhile the primary spillway is self destructing, back up towards its flood gates, and won't survive much more serious use.

Here's Jim's images and commentary on the failing primary spillway:

http://82.221.129.208/pages/goneinaweek.jpg

Keep in mind that Jim is an alarmist conspiracy theorist of the first order ... but that doesn't mean that he's not right sometimes.

[onawah]

So if the dam goes, I believe that means the Central Valley, which is essentially the breadbasket of the US, may be flooded and we will have food shortages.
This is certainly something that whistleblowers have been warning us about for a long time, for various reasons.
Local farmers will not be able to fill the demand for produce in the US if that happens, and lack of produce that is normally exported from CA. will no doubt impact other nations as well.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's an hour long interview of Scott Cahill, an expert, honest, clear talking dam expert by Chris Martenson of PeakProsperity.com, posted on TheVictoryReport.org at Expert: What You Need To Know About The Oroville Dam Crisis (http://thevictoryreport.org/expert-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-oroville-dam-crisis/).

Scott Cahill provides a good explanation of what's going on. The failure of the main spillway is happening as he would expect, and is happening at the place in the spillway where some earlier repairs were made four years ago (and inadequately inspected since then.)
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It didn't take a recent bomb to start this failure; it's been a danger for a long time. Near the start of the interview, the interviewer quotes a lawsuit that was brought a dozen years ago, against the dam operators or regulators (not sure which), describing almost exactly the problems that were visible even then in the design and construction of the dam, and the likely failure mode. Those failure modes are happening, now.

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If you prefer reading, Scott Cahill posted an article on LinkedIn with his thoughts on the Oroville dam: The Oroville Dam Failure (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oroville-dam-failure-scott-cahill).

[onawah]

It didn't take a bomb, but it no doubt took some weather manipulation to create the drought and then the deluge.
Dutchsinse has been monitoring that for quite awhile, and the activity that HAARP has been engaging in over the last couple of years most certainly has had a lot to do with it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

2 good news points, cold weather will bring snow level down to 4000 feet and they are only expecting 6 inches of rain...

The 50' they lowered water level will be enough to handle this storm.

The one's controlling the drought in California lost control with the election.

No one could predict these storms, because Hillary losing was absolutely impossible... until it happened

It was like one race of ETs agenda, ended with Hillary, and now we are under ET's that want us to have water to grow food, taking the power away from elites.

If Reptilians wanted earth hotter and drier for their race, which prefers colder and wet, Nordics?

[Ewan]

Really? You guys think they bombed it on purpose? Come on, the more plausible explanation is years of drought causes the 45 year old earthen spillway to become dry and brittle. Now we get a year of high rain and the earthen barrier shifts/moves/breaks. This isn't a conspiracy, it is a disaster. Sacramento valley was built in a flood plain. We build most of the levees/dams/sloughs in the 50's and no one is willing to spend the billions to do the maintenance. It's more a case of people and the government are more reactive than proactive. We don't fix stuff until there is a disaster.

I live in Sacramento and no we aren't in much danger. The immediate areas have been evacuated for good reason. The valley is HUGE and is built for seasonal flooding. If the Oroville dam breaks it will dissipate over the millions of acres of farm land, hit the thousands of levee's and sloughs and then go out to sea before it hits Sacramento.

It will and has caused significant damage and those in the immediate downstream area are in danger and could lose their houses/land but it won't consume the entire Valley. Have you seen how big the valley is?

As someone who worked in civil engineering and was even involved in the construction of a clay core dam, (small stuff compared to this but the principals are the same), the above explanation is by far the most likely.

Also Hervé's comment regarding the power of running water carrying particulates should never be underestimated for the damge it can do in rapid time.

edit: I thought to include a story from my own experience - regarding corruption in construction, just like anywhere else, goes on all the time.

I was on the testing side of civil engineering projects. The materials used in construction, from building sand to steel all have to fit certain criteria. In this particular case the soils used underneath the spillway would have had to fit a certain envolope of distribution curves known as a Particle Size Distribution Curve.

http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/229/2291052/image024.jpg

The people doing the work often don't understand why materials have to fit these specifications and often think it even less important.

I was testing a load of material (many loads actually) to be used as sub-base. (The compacted layer beneath a bitumen or concrete surfaced road.) They were all failing spectacularly with 40-45% fines, less than 0.5 mm. This is the stuff that will wash away easily from between larger aggregates. The actual specification called for something like 5-20% as minimum and maximums. When I condemned the loads as unsuitable there began the coaxing, including being taken out to dinner and a hint of further bribery. I rejected it. (I would not have even gone to the dinner if I'd realised, it was my first time. :) )

Then calls were made to my head office. The head of department came out to the job. End of story I was sent back to the main labs and he took over for a couple of weeks. New samples arrived at head office for re-testing and it was either very selective sampling or entirely different material. It all passed perfectly and the 40 plus loads of material went into the road construction.

The more money that is involved in a project the more the pressure to accept non-standard materials and turn a blind eye.

Not saying that is what happened here. As Octavus Prime mentioned the material was most likely very dry. Generally a compacted material will have a natural moisture content that varies little. Excessive rain or long dry spells can and will change this over a period of time and a subsequent increase in failure parameters occurs. The standards employed for testing have been tailored to best suit all these conditions. Time is a factor that will always lead to decay and remedial repairs are often not high priority.

I've seen the mess resulting from ignoring specifications several times.

[avid]

:clapping:
This article has several large pictures, showing the Oroville dam, the primary spillway (which has the hole in the concrete liner) and the emergency spillway (which we learned today was less capable than designed for): https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/

I have found this post, a thread full of scientific data, references to dam history, and stuffed with no-nonsense expertise, is invaluable in unravelling the problems, and potentially similar problems with other dams. It is a busy thread, very educational, but enthralling from start to latest...
Thank you Paul for referencing it, invaluable, loads of images. Not to be missed :clapping:

[sheme]

I get the feeling that the cabal is attacking food supply all over the Earth -this is how they are going to do it -starve us all. locusts in south America, voracious corn worm in Africa -oceans poluted with Methane and radio activity and vibrations, wild temperature fluctuations else where. No wonder Rothschild is out of oil and playing with climate & water. We can survive without oil a lot longer than water- the writing is on the wall start growing food now if you can. Fukushima was just the start. We know they control the climate and we know the climate is not helping this situation right now.

[Hervé]

Water works:


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170213-114542-lb2df-jpg.24536/

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170213-115100-uk7ct-jpg.24537/


From: Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Yesterday at 11:49 AM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/page-7#post-200045) #268 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/page-7#post-200045)


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/ovspillway-jpg.24405/
SR1419 (https://www.metabunk.org/members/sr1419.24/), Thursday at 9:15 AM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199672) #5 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199672)


https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170209-155830-xt8p7-jpg.24421/
See the shape of the rebar lattice in the concrete and some lengths of rebar.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170209-155604-2mqdd-jpg.24420/
... a close-up of that area reveals the actual rebar swept downstream.
Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Thursday at 3:56 PM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691) #18 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691)

[ThePythonicCow]

... a close-up of that area reveals the actual rebar swept downstream.
Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Thursday at 3:56 PM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691) #18 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691)
Speaking of rebar - here's an important article on rebar that Chris Martenson posted on his PeakProsperity.com website last July 2016.

We'll be seeing more such images of failed reinforced concrete. America's main highways and bridges, many buildings, and many dams and spillways are built with that stuff, and it doesn't last. The rebar rusts, weakening itself, and more over the rebar expands while it rusts, breaking the concrete as well. It fails, catastrophically, sometimes in a 100 years, sometimes in a few 10's of years. The more water is available, the faster it fails.

Our Future Is (Literally) Crumbling Before Our Eyes -- Our reinforced concrete infrastructure sends a dire warning (https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/99486/our-future-literally-crumbling-our-eyes)

When Trump speaks of rebuilding America's infrastructure, he might not realize what a Huuuge Opportunity that is :).

[Ewan]

... a close-up of that area reveals the actual rebar swept downstream.
Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Thursday at 3:56 PM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691) #18 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691)
Speaking of rebar - here's an important article on rebar that Chris Martenson posted on his PeakProsperity.com website last July 2016.

We'll be seeing more such images of failed reinforced concrete. America's main highways and bridges, many buildings, and many dams and spillways are built with that stuff, and it doesn't last. The rebar rusts, weakening itself, and more over the rebar expands while it rusts, breaking the concrete as well. It fails, catastrophically, sometimes in a 100 years, sometimes in a few 10's of years. The more water is available, the faster it fails.

Our Future Is (Literally) Crumbling Before Our Eyes -- Our reinforced concrete infrastructure sends a dire warning (https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/99486/our-future-literally-crumbling-our-eyes)

When Trump speaks of rebuilding America's infrastructure, he might not realize what a Huuuge Opportunity that is :).

Yep, that is called 'spalling'

https://pmsiofflorida.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/spalling-graphic.gif

And it happens far quicker when the steel is too close to the finished surface as ingress from inclement weather can penetrate quite deep into the concrete. This is exacerbated by putting salts on the road during winter. Salt water run off greatly accelerates rusting in susceptible concrete. Constructions built near the sea have far higher specifications to prolong the life of concrete. At one time marine aggregates were used until they realised it halved the life of concrete due to all the inherent salts. Once the steel starts to swell it produces cracks and this accelerates further degradation.

I sometimes wondered, when watching the steel erectors working, why steel was even used like this. It almost always had the first signs of red rust before the concrete was even poured.

I suspect we can produce near rust proof metals far cheaper today. They knew how to do it long ago..

Iron Pillar of Dehli (http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/incredible-rust-resistant-iron-pillar-delhi-001503)

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/iron-pillar-delhi.jpg

[Eric J (Viking)]

... a close-up of that area reveals the actual rebar swept downstream.
Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Thursday at 3:56 PM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691) #18 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691)
Speaking of rebar - here's an important article on rebar that Chris Martenson posted on his PeakProsperity.com website last July 2016.

We'll be seeing more such images of failed reinforced concrete. America's main highways and bridges, many buildings, and many dams and spillways are built with that stuff, and it doesn't last. The rebar rusts, weakening itself, and more over the rebar expands while it rusts, breaking the concrete as well. It fails, catastrophically, sometimes in a 100 years, sometimes in a few 10's of years. The more water is available, the faster it fails.

Our Future Is (Literally) Crumbling Before Our Eyes -- Our reinforced concrete infrastructure sends a dire warning (https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/99486/our-future-literally-crumbling-our-eyes)

When Trump speaks of rebuilding America's infrastructure, he might not realize what a Huuuge Opportunity that is :).

Yep, that is called 'spalling'

https://pmsiofflorida.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/spalling-graphic.gif

And it happens far quicker when the steel is too close to the finished surface as ingress from inclement weather can penetrate quite deep into the concrete. This is exacerbated by putting salts on the road during winter. Salt water run off greatly accelerates rusting in susceptible concrete. Constructions built near the sea have far higher specifications to prolong the life of concrete. At one time marine aggregates were used until they realised it halved the life of concrete due to all the inherent salts. Once the steel starts to swell it produces cracks and this accelerates further degradation.

I sometimes wondered, when watching the steel erectors working, why steel was even used like this. It almost always had the first signs of red rust before the concrete was even poured.

I suspect we can produce near rust proof metals far cheaper today. They knew how to do it long ago..

Iron Pillar of Dehli (http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/incredible-rust-resistant-iron-pillar-delhi-001503)

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/iron-pillar-delhi.jpg

I wonder how Hempcrete would have faired Ewan...?

Viking

[Ba-ba-Ra]

But there's something that keeps gnawing on my mind: The accident at the Oroville Dam early last week that injured 5 people. The accident occurred inside the bowels of the dam. It remains unexplained and anomalous. Within a few days of that accident, the spillway develops the breach and here we are now.

Do you have a link about this accident?

[BongoBob]

But there's something that keeps gnawing on my mind: The accident at the Oroville Dam early last week that injured 5 people. The accident occurred inside the bowels of the dam. It remains unexplained and anomalous. Within a few days of that accident, the spillway develops the breach and here we are now.



Do you have a link about this accident?


The only thing I've found so far related to this happened back in 2009-

5 DWR workers injured: Steel panel falls at Oroville Dam hydroelectric plant (http://www.chicoer.com/article/zz/20090723/NEWS/907239771)
By TONI SCOTT - Staff Writer

Posted: 07/23/09, 12:01 AM PDT

http://image.chicoer.com/storyimage/ZZ/20090723/NEWS/907239771/AR/0/AR-907239771.jpg

OROVILLE -- Five Department of Water Resources employees were injured at the Edward Hyatt Power Plant Wednesday morning when a non-structural steel panel fell at the hydroelectric facility located at the base of the Oroville Dam.

DWR spokesman Bill Cochran said the five injured employees were testing two 72-inch river valves located in a tunnel beneath the dam, just before 8 a.m., when the 6-foot-tall, 10-foot wide steel panel separating the valve from the water diversion tunnel collapsed, sending flying debris toward the employees.

[Bill Ryan]

.
A sane, clear, grounded, detailed, informative, up-to-the-minute report:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKW_YG1jq8A

[Rocky_Shorz]

The critical failure of this dam won't be the washway, it will be the overflow, a cement wall built on dirt.

Filling where the dirt is with cement and sealing it with a polyurea type waterproof coating will help survive through the melting season.

Wilcock's ET's have stopped storm production until we get it figured out...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/ir2-l.jpg

[Raven]

FYI Joseph Farrell has posted about this today too - https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/02/strangeness-california-oroville-dam/

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Oroville Dam California + HAARP RING Weather Modification 2/13/2017


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ1Gy-n4Fdw

[Rocky_Shorz]

By having no water, the state would need new income sources.

Sept 12, 2016 California Judge says NO!!!

Why do you think Trump's Tillerson is firing all anti fracking judges? The answer is obvious...


"California judge struck down a bid Tuesday by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to expropriate more than 1 million acres in central California for oil drilling.

Judge Michael Fitzgerald found that the BLM failed to consider the dangers of fracking, which is part of the formal application process. Two environmental groups, the Center for Biological Diversity and Los Padres ForestWatch, brought the lawsuit against the BLM".


Trump's downfall won't be immigration, or Putin, or the CIA or friends involved in 9/11

It will be oil...

[AutumnW]

Jim Stone has been following the events at the Oroville dam since it first became public (a week ago?). He remains convinced that it was deliberate sabotage that initially caused the failure in the main spillway's wall.

Here is Jim Stone's current take on this (from his website at http://82.221.129.208/baasepagew7.html):

=========


THE OROVILLE DAM IS GOING TO FAIL. MANDATORY EVACUATIONS NOW.

UPDATE: By opening the primary spillway to 115,000 cfs they drained the top foot and a half off the reservoir quickly and dropped the lake level to below the emergency spillway level. However, so much erosion happened that they don't know how far below that they need to go to get the water to stop flowing around the emergency spillway through an erosion breach. THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN THE ALL CLEAR, but it might be getting better, my guess.

They decided to sacrifice what's left of the main spillway to stop a catastrophic failure elsewhere. That won't last, more rain is coming and record snow is there to melt.

There were a few readers who said I reported about the dam too much. I kept on it, because I strongly believe the spillway failure was sabotage. And I did not think they would sabotage the spillway unless they had run endless 3d modeling proving an absolute failure would result. I was confident this failure was the end result of careful modeling and sabotage to make it happen, but did not say it because it sounded too "out there".

And now, TOO BAD, I'D RATHER BE WRONG but now the emergency spillway is failing also, because it is just too much water to run over a damaged dam. I believe communists in California's government blew the primary spillway up with explosives. After that, nature would finish the catastrophe. And I believe they carefully planned this out fully, complete with ground penetrating radar scans to prove there would be a horrible end result. That is the type of people that are running California now, I would not put this one inch past them.

Whatever happens now all depends upon how strong the rock in the mountain is that all of this water is going to flow over. Hopefully we will only lose the top 50 feet of water, and not all 770 feet of it. The dam report will be updated regularly in the embedded window.

THIS IS NOT A FUTURE EVENT. THE FAILURE IS HAPPENING NOW. IF YOU LIVE DOWNSTREAM FROM THE OROVILLE DAM, BUG OUT NOW
=========


Nothing so dramatic. The only sabotage here involves governments ignoring reports of infrastructure in trouble. This goes for the electrical grid, bridges, dams, etc... This dam was known to be failing 10 years ago and nothing was done about it.

Part of the zealotry of a demand economy, (as opposed to a command economy), is you allow things to fail, whereupon you have an actual demand that cannot be ignored. Then the govt. comes to the rescue. Much better to prevent failure, but alas, not in a theocracy based on capitalism in its cancer stage.

The Mexican wall will never be built. It's not immigrants flooding across borders that Americans need to fear as much as actual floods and the 'terrorism' of Mother Nature, partnered with greed and dopey ideology.

[ThePythonicCow]

FYI Joseph Farrell has posted about this today too - https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/02/strangeness-california-oroville-dam/

Yes - I came here to this thread to post that same link myself. Good.

In this article, Farrell speculated that there is an ongoing, deliberate, effort to destroy California's farming and infrastructure.

Farrell concluded this article thusly:

Now we reach the high octane speculation, or the overboard groundless suspicion of the day, because when I saw this article, notwithstanding its obvious tendencies, I began to entertain the same suspicion, though for very different reasons. I too entertain suspicions of a bomb, though certainly not 2000 pounds: all one would need would be a small but sufficient shaped charge to punch a hole in the concrete, a small one, and let the water erosion do the rest. Or perhaps only knowledge of scheduled water releases, and enough time to hammer a hole into the spillway. But who would do it?

What intrigues me about this scenario is when one places it in context of other "happenings" in northern California in the past few years, which I have occasionally blogged about. Recall a few years ago there was an attack on an electrical p0wer substation at the southern end of the silicon valley (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack). The attack was characterized by state authorities as highly professional: it was executed in short time, damage was created that showed precise knowledge, and the attack was carried out in a time that allowed the perpetrators to enter the substation, attack, and leave before authorities were able to respond. There have been other curious incidents in northern California, including attacks on internet cables - again, having all the appearance of having been carried out by professionals - in the San Francisco bay area (See https://gizadeathstar.com/2015/09/those-attacks-on-computer-network-infrastructure-in-the-bay-area-continue/). And notably, these incidents were in the same general region as the Oroville dam. And they all involve infrastructure.

So in answer to the question of "who would do it?", by putting the speculation into the context of other known infrastructure attacks in northern California, one has to answer: someone with professional training. Could it be radical leftists? Certainly. But it could equally be someone else with very different motivations. What those motivations may be remain to be seen. Tapestry may be right; it may be an attempt to damage California agriculture at a time when much-needed water could be supplied. But it could be a part of that larger picture of infrastructure attacks we've seen recently in the Bay area.

That is... if - and it's a huge if - this overboard groundless suspicion of the day has any basis at all.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone has been following the events at the Oroville dam since it first became public (a week ago?). He remains convinced that it was deliberate sabotage that initially caused the failure in the main spillway's wall.

Here is Jim Stone's current take on this (from his website at http://82.221.129.208/baasepagew7.html):
...


Nothing so dramatic. The only sabotage here involves governments ignoring reports of infrastructure in trouble. This goes for the electrical grid, bridges, dams, etc... This dam was known to be failing 10 years ago and nothing was done about it.
I share your "nothing so dramatic" view. From my perspective, life is seldom as dramatic as Jim Stone makes it out to be.

However I am more "conspiracy" inclined than to suspect that the problems with this dam are just neglect. I suspect rather a combination of deliberate weakening of the infrastructure, economy and agriculture, for decades, combined with focused, small but well placed and timed, triggering events.

For example, after decades of neglect, it would have taken hardly more than a hand grenade to cause enough initial damage to the weakened concrete in the spillway to start a rapidly escalating cascade of damage. Since (as reported in the article by Joseph Farrell that I posted just above) the first reports of serious damage came from a couple who were out walking around that hillside for their routine exercise, it is therefore clear that getting access to that spillway by someone with a pound or two of the right explosive, and the knowledge of where to place it, could easily have provided the final trigger to start the events of this last week.

That's if even that trigger were needed. Given that the failure occurred on an already repaired location of the spillway, perhaps all that was needed was "lots of water", which the California hills have rushing down their rivers following the recent storms.

Either way, the prior neglect is far from benign in its intent, in my conspiratorial view.

[AutumnW]

... a close-up of that area reveals the actual rebar swept downstream.
Mick West (https://www.metabunk.org/members/mick-west.1/), Thursday at 3:56 PM (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691) #18 (https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/#post-199691)
Speaking of rebar - here's an important article on rebar that Chris Martenson posted on his PeakProsperity.com website last July 2016.

We'll be seeing more such images of failed reinforced concrete. America's main highways and bridges, many buildings, and many dams and spillways are built with that stuff, and it doesn't last. The rebar rusts, weakening itself, and more over the rebar expands while it rusts, breaking the concrete as well. It fails, catastrophically, sometimes in a 100 years, sometimes in a few 10's of years. The more water is available, the faster it fails.

Our Future Is (Literally) Crumbling Before Our Eyes -- Our reinforced concrete infrastructure sends a dire warning (https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/99486/our-future-literally-crumbling-our-eyes)

When Trump speaks of rebuilding America's infrastructure, he might not realize what a Huuuge Opportunity that is :).

I read that article just after Martensen posted it a while back. It made me rethink the wisdom of ever buying a condo in a 'solid' concrete structure. I wonder what will replace concrete in the future?

[ThePythonicCow]

I read that article just after Martensen posted it a while back. It made me rethink the wisdom of ever buying a condo in a 'solid' concrete structure. I wonder what will replace concrete in the future?
For now, the two alternatives to concrete and rebar that I know of are:

Thicker concrete - no rebar needed, or
Concrete with rebar made out of some (more expensive, no doubt) metal that doesn't rust.

[Rocky_Shorz]

By having no water, the state would need new income sources.

Sept 12, 2016 California Judge says NO!!!

Why do you think Trump's Tillerson is firing all anti fracking judges? The answer is obvious...


"California judge struck down a bid Tuesday by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to expropriate more than 1 million acres in central California for oil drilling.

Judge Michael Fitzgerald found that the BLM failed to consider the dangers of fracking, which is part of the formal application process. Two environmental groups, the Center for Biological Diversity and Los Padres ForestWatch, brought the lawsuit against the BLM".


Trump's downfall won't be immigration, or Putin, or the CIA or friends involved in 9/11

It will be oil...

Well that didn't take long, Trump just signed into law that oil companies no longer have to disclose bribes to Government officials.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-o_RRRlLZQ[/url]

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone lost his websites domain name, jimstone.is, for a while earlier today. If you still can't get to jimstone.is (server not found or some such error), then use his IP address, as in http://82.221.129.208/.
Off topic aside - Jim Stone's jimstone.is is still not listed by most of the major DNS providers. In fact, it seems worse than yesterday. Now I am showing that Level 3 DNS servers have two wrong IP addresses for jonstone.is, that DNSAdvantage has a third, different, also wrong, IP address for his site, and none of the nine (9) major DNS providers that I usually use have the current, correct, IP address, 82.221.129.208, for jimstone.is.

Either Jim really messed up administering his DNS account (my guess), or someone really doesn't want Jim on the air (Jim's guess.)

In any event, if I had not been keeping track of the DNS lookups that my system makes, I would likely no longer have known how to access his site.

[Satori]

But there's something that keeps gnawing on my mind: The accident at the Oroville Dam early last week that injured 5 people. The accident occurred inside the bowels of the dam. It remains unexplained and anomalous. Within a few days of that accident, the spillway develops the breach and here we are now.



Do you have a link about this accident?


The only thing I've found so far related to this happened back in 2009-

5 DWR workers injured: Steel panel falls at Oroville Dam hydroelectric plant (http://www.chicoer.com/article/zz/20090723/NEWS/907239771)
By TONI SCOTT - Staff Writer

Posted: 07/23/09, 12:01 AM PDT

http://image.chicoer.com/storyimage/ZZ/20090723/NEWS/907239771/AR/0/AR-907239771.jpg

OROVILLE -- Five Department of Water Resources employees were injured at the Edward Hyatt Power Plant Wednesday morning when a non-structural steel panel fell at the hydroelectric facility located at the base of the Oroville Dam.

DWR spokesman Bill Cochran said the five injured employees were testing two 72-inch river valves located in a tunnel beneath the dam, just before 8 a.m., when the 6-foot-tall, 10-foot wide steel panel separating the valve from the water diversion tunnel collapsed, sending flying debris toward the employees.

The two of you may have cured the gnawing I spoke of. A few days ago I saw a news story on a link I found on Rense that I went to when reading up on the Oroville Dam spillway failure. I understood the news story, I'm talking here of a news video from a local station, to have been recent----a few days before the spillway failure. I may have been wrong as to the date of the news story, and I apparently am wrong. It was certainly linked in such time-proximity to the spillway failure as to give the impression that the accident that injured the 5 people was recent. It appears that I misunderstood, or I fell for someone's efforts to link the two events in time when they are a few years apart. I also think I read something on Rense about the 5 people being injured which provided a bit more detail; such as two of them being engineers, one being a maintenance worker and two others being something like dam workers. I did not see that detail when I read a few other news reports today. But I could have missed it.

In any event, I did not mean to suggest that the accident that injured the 5 men was causually connected to the spillway failure. It was just something that caused me to scratch my head. However, I'm done scratching because it appears the events were years apart.

As Gilda Ratner would have said: "Never mind."

[bennycog]

For those that have nothing to do and would like to sit back and watch. this is supposedly a live stream of coverage..

Well obviously not live... another storm is supposedly due tomorrow...

eVYAnMJhfNI

FX83qSatoOo

[Rocky_Shorz]

Finally, with only a day to spare...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahOEdiYj8z8[/url]

[ThePythonicCow]

Finally, with only a day to spare...
I would guess they first had to build a "road" over some of the washed out area, just to enable the concrete pumper, the cement mixer trucks, and the rock hauling trucks, to get to the place that needed the rebuilding the most.

If they can ride out tomorrow's rain storm using just the main spillway, that might buy them another week of time to continue rebuilding the area below the auxilliary (ne emergency) spillway.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I used Twitter, first hitting Trump, but then realized the solution, so searchedtwitter, going through hundreds of posts before finding the conduit.

If you knew the answer to save Gothem city was bat poop, wouldn't you contact the police commissioner?

Cops can drive right up to the site and speak with the boss, so I tried it,. They are not only laying the cement, but you can see the wall is already being coated with polyurea...

White house spokesman says they are on it...

I'm still friggen pissed because the oil bastards he is helping destroyed my life for asking for a grant to start producing perpetual motion automobiles. I didn't realize a vehicle that doesn't burn gas was illegal in America. I'm sorry I'm so far advanced of you oil morons that what We are capable of is illegal, but if Trump comes after California, I will give the answers to everyone to shut down your blood sucking friends.

Edited to add Basil Hayden's is great whiskey... 😉

[Satori]

Edited to add Basil Hayden's is great whiskey... 😉

It's the best in my book. It's made by Jim Beam.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Quick Showers are hitting at 2pm, over 60 degrees so snow melting will be the main worry before the 3 day storm starting at 7 tonight.

[Hervé]

From Jim stone (http://82.221.129.208/baasepagex8.html):

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING OROVILLE REPAIR EFFORT

What you will see in This Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6_xGsUKLg) that is noteworthy


lk6_xGsUKLg
1. They got the large scale mining trucks (these are way beyond what is allowed on the road) and used them to rapidly bring in large rocks from a mine somewhere, and with them built an entirely new road across 50 plus foot deep erosion trenches.

2. With that road in place, they managed to get cement trucks back onto the ground at the emergency spillway, and they are pouring concrete as fast as they can.

3. A secondary helicopter effort to bring in rocks to areas that the trucks still cannot get to.

Do I think it will work? Not if the spillway is put to heavy use in the next couple days. But the effort is actually a real effort. I never would have thought they would ever get a road back in, but they did it, and that alone is a major achievement. It was the only way they would ever have a chance.

How effective they are with this will all depend upon how much concrete they can manage to lay down, and if they can get it into the key places

They cannot drain the dam enough. As of this evening, they have only dropped it 15 feet. They can't hit the target, which means they had better hope the weather man is wrong.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Quake swarm starting100 yards from spillway?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuO3bxpGOIc[/url]

[Rocky_Shorz]

California Dams are all pretty amazing...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUdx_UNqT8k

[SolTerraThree]

Current prediction is 11+ inches of rain over the next 10 days. Hope they are wrong. Fingers crossed.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/15/super-soaker-atmospheric-river-taking-aim-on-beleaguered-orovilledam/

[Rocky_Shorz]

The pressure of the 100,000 feet of water per second pounding on the spillway hole is putting pressure on the plates causing local quakes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLaFdZmB04[/url]

Need to finish the overflow project to start a patch on the spillway, why only 1 cement squirter? only one ever made? get 10, move faster...

13 feet over capacity...

edited to remove video, Bill and I watched the same one and he goes into specifics of what to expect from these storms rolling in. It's not just the storms, but mountain temperatures in the 70's coming next week to melt off the snow pack.

[Bill Ryan]

.
This update, a little over an hour old, is from David DuByne at Adapt 2030. It shows quite a lot of (rather worrying) rainfall and dam-level math, from various sources, and the projections all pretty much agree.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgBW09wd5so

[Ewan]

The pressure of the 100,000 feet of water per second pounding on the spillway hole is putting pressure on the plates causing local quakes...

That cannot be accurate? What say you Hervé?

[Foxie Loxie]

Seems I remember reading of some dams in China that caused mini quakes simply because of the weight of the water. We all know how politics work, I feel bad for all the people threatened by this possible collapse. :pray:

[Hervé]

The pressure of the 100,000 feet of water per second pounding on the spillway hole is putting pressure on the plates causing local quakes...That cannot be accurate? What say you Hervé?
... that Rocky has a propensity for exaggeration which compounds with mismatched units of measures... never mind the unknown value attributed to the variable "plate"...

A relatively fast variation in the water column height inducing bedrock readjustments is far more likely, IMO.

[Ewan]

Seems I remember reading of some dams in China that caused mini quakes simply because of the weight of the water.

I'm struggling with this concept purely on logic. Just a few hundred metres north of the outpouring is a weight of water that must be thousands of times more, sitting there placidly on the bedrock. An outpouring, even at velocity can only be a fraction of that. If the dam literally burst, that would be a mass weight shift suddenly. Still not sure the possible resultant movement of bedrock could properly be referred to as a quake.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The pressure of the 100,000 feet of water per second pounding on the spillway hole is putting pressure on the plates causing local quakes...

That cannot be accurate? What say you Hervé?

2 other dams including Hoover are having small quakes too in the area.

weight of water levels never seen before on aging infrastructure...

hoping on no more Surprises, we have another dam only 16 feet from overflow too expected to reach capacity from this storm, melt off.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The pressure of the 100,000 feet of water per second pounding on the spillway hole is putting pressure on the plates causing local quakes...That cannot be accurate? What say you Hervé?
... that Rocky has a propensity for exaggeration which compounds with mismatched units of measures... never mind the unknown value attributed to the variable "plate"...

A relatively fast variation in the water column height inducing bedrock readjustments is far more likely, IMO.

2 quakes so far at Oroville, but Dutchsinse mentioned it last night, he is pretty much my expert on earth movements and why I mentioned it.

it's the alarms going off everywhere, 1:11 11:11 $1.11 $11.11 all in the same day...

I don't want Oroville to turn to Horrorville

[Rocky_Shorz]

"It's not just Oroville: Record rain is straining California's whole flood control network"

http://www.trbimg.com/img-58a2394f/turbine/la-me-lake-oroville-spillway-pictures-047/1800/1800x1013

"The frantic effort over the last few days to lower water levels at Oroville Dam after the structure’s two spillways became damaged is part of a larger drama playing out as California rapidly shifts from extreme drought to intense deluges.

Large swaths of the region are on track to experience their wettest winter on record, with many areas having already surpassed their average precipitation for an entire year.

And all that water is putting new strains on the network of dams, rivers, levees and other waterways that are essential to preventing massive flooding during wet years like this one.

The biggest danger zone lies in the Central Valley at the base of the Sierra Nevada, whose tall peaks can wring the skies of huge amounts of rain and snow. The area is essentially one giant floodplain that would be easily transformed into an inland sea without man-made flood control. At 400 miles long and 40 miles wide, it has only a tiny bottleneck from which to drain — a one-mile opening at the Carquinez Strait at San Pablo Bay — before water heads into the San Francisco Bay.

“You got this big bathtub — water doesn’t flow out of it very quickly,” said Jeffrey Mount, senior fellow at the Public Policy Institute of California and former director of the UC Davis Center for Watershed Sciences.

As the site of the nation’s tallest dam and the main storage for the State Water Project that sends water to the Southland, Lake Oroville has commanded national attention as the crippled spillways forced the evacuations of more than 100,000 downstream. But smaller water systems are also under intense pressure.

Sixteen reservoirs, ranging from small to the biggest in the state, were above 90% full as of Wednesday morning.

Among them is the Don Pedro Reservoir, the sixth-largest in California and located near Yosemite National Park. As of Wednesday afternoon, it stood at an elevation of 827.4 feet, just shy of its 830-foot capacity, the Turlock Irrigation District said in a statement. The district continued to make releases to the Tuolumne River, which flows through Stanislaus County and into urban centers such as Modesto.

Forecasters predict about 4.7 inches of precipitation could fall in the watershed over the next six days. Although the irrigation district said it does not anticipate an overflow, it advised residents of Stanislaus and Merced counties to register for emergency notifications.

In the Sacramento Valley, Shasta Dam, the spigot for California’s largest water storage lake, and Keswick Dam both released large volumes of water for multiple days into the Sacramento River.

George Skelton: Dam officials should've listened to those warnings about Oroville. Now we're stuck paying the price

The National Weather Service’s California Nevada River Forecast Center warns that the San Joaquin River at Vernalis in San Joaquin County will surge into the “danger stage” this weekend, the first time this winter that the center has made such a warning. That could put the town of Lathrop, south of Stockton, at risk.

Earlier this week, evacuation orders were issued for Tyler Island, a small farming tract in the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, after a compromised levee posed a risk of flooding.

To water experts, it’s a pattern that plays out in years of heavy rains. Lakes pushed to capacity have placed tremendous strain on levees, some of which were built long ago and were weakly constructed. Perceived as fail-safes, experts say levees were meant to reduce the frequency of floods, not stop them altogether.

“They’re really the No. 1 defense against floods, and they’re not very good at it,” Mount said. “Levees are kind of unreliable partners in flood management.”

Hoping to avoid the situation faced by Lake Oroville, officials are planning large releases of water from reservoirs. But that could further strain the hundreds of miles of levees that line the Central Valley’s vast river networks, built to protect homes, businesses and farms from floods. The series of storms that slammed the area in December 1996 and lasted for a week caused numerous levees to collapse. Widespread flooding that inundated 300 square miles led to extensive damage and evacuations of 120,000 people, as well as nine deaths.

While the state’s reservoirs are built to release water slowly, officials are forced to quicken the pace of releases when they are at capacity. Water from brimming reservoirs is guided into nearby rivers. If those rivers are full, water can seep over and under levees, or through hidden cracks, leading to erosion.

More expected storms this season and a massive snowpack likely to run off into the summer has officials grappling with their options.

“After several years of drought, now we’ve got too much all at once,” said Jeremy Hill, a civil engineer who is part of the Department of Water Resources flood operations team.

Hill said the threat of floods would be a lasting concern until the end of spring.

Levees were not designed to be stressed for extended periods of time and they require constant supervision, said Joseph Countryman, a member of the Central Valley Flood Protection Board and former head of reservoir operations for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for Northern California, Nevada, Utah and Colorado. Even without major rainstorms, the magnitude of the volume of water flowing through the system will still create “tremendous seepage” in the levees, potentially weakening them. And significant flows are to be expected through June, he said.

“The longer the water is on levees, the more potential they have to become saturated and develop problems they have never before exhibited,” he said.

State water officials said despite the record rainfall, they remain confident the flood control systems will hold up.

“There’s a lot of water moving around and everything’s full and everybody’s going to have plenty of water,” said Bill Croyle, the acting director of the Department of Water Resources who was at incident command headquarters for the Oroville Dam. “I don’t think it’s testing the system.”

Even as rain began to fall Wednesday, Croyle said the storms forecast over the next few days will not be enough to test the integrity of the Oroville Dam or its two damaged spillways. He said the public “won’t see a blip in the reservoir” levels, now dropping about 8 inches an hour.

Officials at the dam said their biggest worry wasn’t the weather but the damage done to the dam’s already compromised main spillway during days of sustained pounding from heavy releases of water. When the emergency spillway began to fail Sunday, officials sent massive amounts of water down the main spillway — despite the damage — in a desperate effort to reduce the water level in the reservoir.

“It’s holding up really well,” Croyle said of the main spillway. But he added continued mass water releases could be causing hidden damage to the rocky subsurface adjacent to the concrete chute. LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-oroville-floods-norcal-20170216-story.html)

CNN Entertainment has an Oroville video out, they even put very fake news into it...

they have a quote from the head of California's emergency department telling people if they get an emergency text to their cell phones saying to evacuate, just ignore it... :facepalm:

Click for current capacity levels of California Dams (http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action)

[onawah]

Dutchsinse comments from yesterday
XRHf1-Aappc
At 8 minutes in he starts to talk about California--big increase of earthquake swarms in California over the last few days.
He talks about the impact of the water from the dam causing small quakes far beneath the surface.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hey Avalon, look at this real time image, see the huge break in the storm passing over Orville?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

You all did that, I'm proud of you...


Oh, and CNN, a good reporter would have known he hasn't slept for a week so would have clarified...

"excuse me sir, but did you mean ignore last Sundays evacuation message now that everyone has been given an all clear for now?"

[Hervé]

California's Oroville Dam update: Spillway releases curbed, even as 'atmospheric river' looms (http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article133078564.html)

Ryan Lillis
Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article133078564.html) Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:51 UTC



https://www.sott.net/image/s18/378290/large/la_me_lake_oroville_spillway_p.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s18/378290/full/la_me_lake_oroville_spillway_p.jpg)
Oroville Dam Spillway


The water level at Lake Oroville continues to drop as state officials press on with the effort to drain the reservoir in light of a forecast calling for rain through Monday. Despite forecasts showing another "atmospheric river" poised to strike the region early next week, engineers began dialing back the water releases from Oroville Dam's main spillway Thursday in an effort to eventually restart the dam's shuttered hydroelectric plant. When operational, the plant could release additional water from Lake Oroville.

After pounding the damaged spillway with releases of 100,000 cubic feet per second since Sunday evening, the state Department of Water Resources dialed back the releases to 94,000 by late Thursday morning. DWR's website indicated releases would fall to 80,000 cfs by 3 p.m.

Even with the curtailed releases, the water level at troubled Lake Oroville continued to decline. The reservoir was falling by about 5 feet every 12 hours and was down to 867.5 feet just before noon, or nearly 34 feet below the top of the dam. Federal flood regulations say the lake should be at no more than 850 feet this time of year.

Officials had said they would start throttling back the releases to resume pulling debris from the river channel beneath the dam. The debris has backed up the river at a critical point, preventing the state from restarting the dam's hydroelectric power plant. The plant would be capable of releasing up to 13,000 cfs.

Independent experts told The Sacramento Bee the strategy makes sense. The reservoir should be empty enough to handle the inflow from the "atmospheric river" forecast for Monday, and getting the power plant working again will prove vital to navigating the rest of winter and into spring, when snowmelt from the Sierra will create heavy inflows.

"They think they've got the reservoir under control," said water policy expert Jeffrey Mount of the Public Policy Institute of California. "They've got the breathing room."

Joe Countryman, a former U.S. Army Corps of Engineers official, added: "They're thinking down the road. It's very, very important to make that (power plant) functional, no doubt."

Countryman said the releases down the main spillway still will be considerable. "It's not like they're cutting it back to zero; 80,000 (cfs) is a lot of water."

Meanwhile, the National Weather Service predicts an "atmospheric river" will strike the area beginning Monday, putting renewed strain on the reservoir.

The lake level fell by nearly 5 feet in the 12-hour period ending at 10 a.m., dropping to below 868 feet. That was about 33 feet below the top of Oroville Dam even as the first in a series of storms hit the Oroville region late Wednesday.

The first storm didn't bring significant rains, but the National Weather Service reported that a warm, heavy storm known as an atmospheric river is expected to roll into the Feather River basin Monday and Tuesday.

"It is looking like the system for next week is trending wetter and warmer," said Michelle Mead of the National Weather Service in Sacramento.

However, Mead said the rainfall is expected to be only half as heavy as last week's storm, which swamped Lake Oroville with peak inflows of 191,000 cubic feet per second just as Oroville Dam's main spillway suffered a massive crater.

The giant fracture in the main concrete spillway Feb. 7 temporarily hobbled dam operators' ability to push water out of the reservoir, causing the reservoir to fill and water to flow over the never-before-used emergency spillway. Some 180,000 downstream residents were ordered to evacuate Sunday when state officials feared the emergency spillway was in danger of failing. The crisis eased and evacuations ended Tuesday.

Despite damage to the main spillway, dam officials have been releasing water at 100,000 cfs nonstop since late Sunday to increase flood-control space. DWR officials say they don't believe the erosion in the spillway has worsened.

"We want to keep taking water out of that reservoir for flood-control space," said Chris Orrock, state Department of Water Resources spokesman.

Meanwhile, crews working to reinforce the emergency spillway were able to continue their efforts through the night despite periods of heavy wind and rain.

Windy conditions and more rain are forecast for Thursday. Helicopters that have been dropping bags of rocks on emergency spillway this week, likely will be grounded Thursday.

And, if the hillside becomes too slick, ground crews using dump trucks to pour boulders onto the spillway will have to stop their work. The boulders are designed to fortify the eroded hillside at the foot of the emergency spillway's 1,700-foot concrete apron.
"We want to make it through this weather system and re-evaluate where we are at," Orrock said.
The National Weather Service is forecasting a half to an inch of rain to fall Thursday in Oroville. Perhaps another half inch could arrive on Friday.

However, the early storms are relatively cold and snowy, alleviating pressure on the reservoir. That's expected to change. Mead said the 7-day forecast for Oroville calls for a total of 10 inches or so of rain, with much of it coming Monday and Tuesday. Snow levels in the Sierra could be as high as 7,000 feet, she said.

While not as bad as last week, when snow levels were higher and total rainfall approached 20 inches in the Feather River basin, Mead said the reservoir can expect a significant amount of new water.

"Enhanced inflows are expected," she said.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Dutchsinse comments from yesterday
XRHf1-Aappc
At 8 minutes in he starts to talk about California--big increase of earthquake swarms in California over the last few days.
He talks about the impact of the water from the dam causing small quakes far beneath the surface.

I can't explain it, but the moment I heard it suddenly I realized the dam is sitting on a big rock, they didn't flatten it and build up with bedrock, they built around it. The split in the river stripped the sand from the rock. It has 6 Million feet of water pounding it per minute...

The outside of the rock had 2 magnitude one releases.

The rock under the dam, is absorbing the energy... 3000 foot base stretched pyramid...

in 3rd grade I had the highest score ever on mechanical aptitude against PhDs taking the same test and I know the one that was wrong was their mistake, I'm a Scorpion kinda dude that doesn't need to plug numbers in a computer or calculator, I know the answers to problems just looking at them.

Now a Secret no one will ever share with you, all of you gathered to Avalon are earth angels, when you pray, you are asking God to let your Spirit help. healing, peace, saving a child by parting a storm, it is where miracles come from.

They almost killed me a month ago, so all of you need to know the truth of who you are and how to activate your Spirit before going to sleep.

I can't help going head on with the elites, it's crazy, but what I am really here for.

no matter how advanced their technology is, it is nothing against angels...

Bill said all we needed were a few dozen strong spirits to change the world, standing against the storm were close to 27,000. Aren't we a conspiracy forum that believe ETs were involved in our evolution? Where did all these people come from that know how to pray?

[Hervé]

...

https://www.sott.net/image/s18/378336/full/reservoirlevels.jpg
This image shows conditions at Lake Oroville and other Northern California reservoirs as of midnight February 15, 2017.
Full map and legend: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action


https://i2.wp.com/mavensnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KG_oro_spillway_damage_10034.jpg?fit=1200%2C799&ssl=1

https://photos.smugmug.com/Spillway-Crumbles-Thursday-2-9-2017/i-Q9445pJ/0/XL/SpillwayThursbh21-2-XL.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/b2TaMeKRVu_Y.mg7Yo._Ag--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTI4MDtoPTk2MDtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/1714b95c550a4608b10740664c090172.jpg

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170213120821-california-spillway-dam-aerial-2-exlarge-169.jpg
Getting close to those power line pylones..

http://eqb977iabb.eq.webcdn.stream.ne.jp/www50/eqb977iabb/jmc_pub/thumbnail/00059/95fd8838a42441b39b7cc73e49f9beab_17.00028.jpg

https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/oroville-dam-monday-morning.jpg

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/images/1200-675/2-13-17-oroville-dam-aerial+view.jpghttp://media.nbcbayarea.com/images/1200*675/2-13-17-oroville-dam-aerial+view.jpg
(^^^ copy + "Paste & Go" ^^^)

[Bill Ryan]

Bill said all we needed were a few dozen strong spirits to change the world

Maybe they are. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Dave Hodges paints a pretty bleak picture.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emYEbWysbmA[/url]


I just watched the live stream update, they are 23 feet below overflow.

A reporter asked if there was anything he would like the public to be doing right now.

He smiled and said keep praying, not please say a prayer, he saw a miracle yesterday, the 6 storms are all minor rolling in, the disaster moment has passed, and he knows it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Don Pedro is up to 98% they have only released water once in its 50 year history


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQpaZ1p9Zug


there are 1300+ Dams in California, some over 100 years old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_California#Dams_in_ service

[Rocky_Shorz]

flow rate of main spillway has been turned down to 80K/sec now that reservoir is 40' below overflow...

now they are comfortable letting everyone return.

I'm watching for them to shut it off temporarily to see how deep the spillway hole is.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

In the meantime: The Feather, Tuolumne, San Joaquin and Sacramento Rivers all downstream are hovering at flood stage. Lots of farm area here and many with livestock have already taken precautions and moved some of their stock. (think in terms of 1600 cows that need to be milked daily)

Breaches have been found in several levees in and around Sacramento and they have been furiously trying to shore them up. This is one of many.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/02/13/levee-breach-to-flood-tyler-island-residents-evacuated/

I have a friend (retired nurse) who graciously volunteers for the Red Cross. She is now up in Chico, Calif in a shelter where 600 people are being temporarily housed. Many don't want to go home yet as they feel they will just have to evacuate again.

Sadly, there has been some looting and car thefts in the areas evacuated, which is why my friend who lives in Marysville has chosen to return home after being evacuated for 3 days.

[thunder24]

http://www.sciencealert.com/a-massive-blob-of-abnormal-conditions-in-the-pacific-has-increased-ozone-levels im assuming this is a main contributing factor to the winter rains

http://www.sciencealert.com/images/articles/processed/the-blob_1024.jpg


A vast patch of abnormally warm water in the Pacific Ocean - nicknamed the blob - resulted in increased levels of ozone above the Western US, researchers have found.

The blob - which at its peak covered roughly 9 million square kilometres (3.5 million square miles) from Mexico to Alaska - was assumed to be mainly messing with conditions in the ocean, but a new study has shown that it had a lasting affect on air quality too.

"Ultimately, it all links back to the blob, which was the most unusual meteorological event we've had in decades," says one of the team, Dan Jaffe from the University of Washington Bothell.

The blob of warm water in the Pacific was first detected back in 2013, and it continued to spread throughout 2014 and 2015. While it was less obvious in 2016, there were some indications that it persisted well into last year too.

The vast, warm patch has been linked to several mass die-offs in the ocean during 2015, including thousands of California sea lions starving to death in waters more than 3 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Farenheit) above average, and an "unprecedented" mass death of seabirds in the Western US.

In April 2015, the effects could also be seen on land, with a bout of strange weather in the US being linked to the higher ocean temperatures, and the increased temperatures saw a massive toxic algal bloom stretch along the entire US West Coast.

[SolTerraThree]

Simulation Of Oroville Emergency Spillway Failure

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Simulation of Full Oroville Dam Failure

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References:
CapRadio
http://www.capradio.org/90618

Steven N. Ward
Simulations
https://websites.pmc.ucsc.edu/~ward/

[Rocky_Shorz]

BP's latest is out, mentioning other dams in the area needing attention


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgOk2T3cbo


David's latest goes into cause of the Orville spillway collapse, then he goes into the foo foo lala send love and light. Dude if construction workers can't see, they turn on a spotlight.

Angels Drew a line in the sand and the storm broke from their awesomeness. Not even Lucifer dared mess with angels... 😉


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqHkSlYeqTc

The thing about holding back these storms, it keeps building waiting to be released, the top left shows what is coming 7-10 days out...

Send love in home cooked dinners, they have a lot of work to finish by the next storm.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

[Foxie Loxie]

Thank you...helps one get a visual.

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8rbwkg80xo

Strange dream last night, saw the storm racing for us and jumped on its back, thought it was a Dragon, but had no wings, it was a big old gator...

It's tail stretched back to Japan, how do you stop a charging Alligator?

I punched it in the back of it's head...

That worked, suddenly I was free falling with it straight at the shore...

Oh God, this is gonna hurt...

Woke right then to a bang, the gate had swung open and hit the house...

Glad it didn't hit Orville dam...

I wonder if that sinkhole was where it's nose hit? :pound:

[ThePythonicCow]

Dave Hodges interviews Paul Preston, who has now evacuated his home, that would be in the area that would be devastated if the Oroville dam gave way:
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Dave Hodges posted more details in his article that contained this Preston interview, on his website: Sacramento Is Being Flooded EVEN BEFORE 0ROVILLE DAM BREAKS (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/02/18/sacramento-is-being-flooded-even-before-0roville-dam-breaks-paul-preston-interview/).

It's not just the Oroville dam that is at risk. Wide spread flooding is already starting to happen, levees are at risk of failing, and other dams are reaching their capacity.

Sacramento, California, the state capital and the home to over two million people, is some 60 to 70 miles due south of the Oroville dam. They are both on the Feather River. Sacramento is down stream from the dam. Sacramento has a long history of being flooded, sometimes 10 or 20 feet deep, prior to the building of the various dams and levees. Now California has stopped most funding of maintenance and upkeep of those dams and levees, for the last two decades. At some point they will fail. If a big dam (Oroville is the tallest dam in the US ... and it's primarily an earthen dam, not concrete on bedrock) goes, then hundreds of square miles along the Feather River basin will be scrubbed clean of all vegetation and developments - highways, bridges, roads, homes, trees, ... wiped out ... gone.

[Rocky_Shorz]

seriously look at the first image that came up in my search to see where the storm hit...

http://www.southerncaliforniaweatherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/21217c-1024x586.jpg

I don't think the world's best cartoonists could have done better than that, even the red bump on the head... Lucifer learned about my lines in the sand... :wizard:

Well feather dumps into the Sacramento River which has 2 other dams dumping water into it. The good news is, the whole area is set up as flood plains. The water has been dropping since the heavy rains have stopped,.. Orville was dumping 180k the others over 200/ sec and the flood system handled it.

Levies get tired, but so far they are holding up with only minor patches. First hand info from family.

If you are living in a trailer on blocks in the flood plain, it might be time to move... That or invest in pontoons, make it your houseboat, where you float to each storm is home.

This is why the dam is safe down 50'. The wall built on sand isn't touching water...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/dc/f8/1adcf8ea0b8554d8c2fa4e7c13bfd20e.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.sciencealert.com/a-massive-blob-of-abnormal-conditions-in-the-pacific-has-increased-ozone-levels im assuming this is a main contributing factor to the winter rains

http://www.sciencealert.com/images/articles/processed/the-blob_1024.jpg


A vast patch of abnormally warm water in the Pacific Ocean - nicknamed the blob - resulted in increased levels of ozone above the Western US, researchers have found.

The blob - which at its peak covered roughly 9 million square kilometres (3.5 million square miles) from Mexico to Alaska - was assumed to be mainly messing with conditions in the ocean, but a new study has shown that it had a lasting affect on air quality too.

"Ultimately, it all links back to the blob, which was the most unusual meteorological event we've had in decades," says one of the team, Dan Jaffe from the University of Washington Bothell.

The blob of warm water in the Pacific was first detected back in 2013, and it continued to spread throughout 2014 and 2015. While it was less obvious in 2016, there were some indications that it persisted well into last year too.

The vast, warm patch has been linked to several mass die-offs in the ocean during 2015, including thousands of California sea lions starving to death in waters more than 3 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Farenheit) above average, and an "unprecedented" mass death of seabirds in the Western US.

In April 2015, the effects could also be seen on land, with a bout of strange weather in the US being linked to the higher ocean temperatures, and the increased temperatures saw a massive toxic algal bloom stretch along the entire US West Coast.

A little birdie told me all these cyclonic storms in the northern hemisphere is helping the ocean conveyors flow normally..

So let me ask you, do you think CNN or better yet, GE media is going to mentioned the blob formed after Fukushima started dumping 300M gallons of radiation water in the ocean?

Is it good news the worst has passed?

Maybe they turned off the storms and gave us a major draught to protect us from the radiation...

[onawah]

Oroville Dam EMERGENCY: Who Did It, Why, and What They Are Hiding
Lisa Haven
Published on Feb 14, 2017
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[Rocky_Shorz]

I have the answer to pay for all these dam repairs, open a State owned bottling center for water and beer from fresh spring water.

Add some permanent jobs to the area and money to always keep the dam in shape

Maybe Nestle's will donate their Dam water facility. For all the cavities they've caused, they should be ready to help fill a few...

I tweeted Trump asking him to help me put it together.

All I want is a California Rocky Shorz Red...

I have a filtering system that can take fracking sludge and make it clean enough for the CEO of the project to drink it...

Run Mountain Spring Snowflakes through it and it will be the best in the world...

How many breweries in California use recycled toilet water, we got this...

[Rocky_Shorz]

They are ready for Monday morning rain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v23_OfQp-9k

[Rocky_Shorz]

Look at the lower part of spillway, a minute in, no water?

You can see grass over the wall and 2 cement squirters now...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgtyOfwrj8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv1WMsXOCdw

[Hervé]

^^^ That's a lot of concrete that's been poured at the sole of the emergency spillway! ^^^

Oroville Dam: What made the spillway collapse? (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/17/oroville-dam-what-made-the-spillway-collapse/)

By Paul Rogers (http://www.mercurynews.com/author/paul-rogers/) | progers@bayareanewsgroup.com and Matthias Gafni (http://www.mercurynews.com/author/matthias-gafni/) | mgafni@bayareanewsgroup.com |
PUBLISHED: February 17, 2017 at 5:00 am
UPDATED: February 19, 2017 at 10:06 am


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/sjm-orospill-021031.jpg?w=502
(Courtesy of the California Department of Water Resources).
A massive hole tore through the main spillway at Oroville Dam on Tuesday Feb. 7, 2017.


How did a giant, gaping hole tear through the massive Oroville Dam’s main concrete spillway last week, setting in motion the chain of events that could have led to one of America’s deadliest dam failures?

Dam experts around the country are focusing on a leading suspect: Tiny bubbles.

The prospect is simple, yet terrifying and has been the culprit in a number of near disasters at dams across the globe since engineers discovered it about 50 years ago. In a process called “cavitation,” water flowing fast and in large volumes can rumble over small cracks, bumps or other imperfections in concrete dam spillways as they release water during wet years. The billions of gallons of water bumping off the surface at 50 miles an hour create enormous turbulence that can form tiny water vapor bubbles that collapse with powerful force, and like jackhammers, chisel apart concrete. “It starts with small holes, but it can break off big chunks of concrete,” said Paul Tullis, a professor emeritus of civil engineering at Utah State University and cavitation expert. “It’s like a big grinder. It causes concrete to be torn apart.”

It’s still too early to investigate the cavity on the spillway while dam operators at the nation’s tallest dam desperately drain billions of gallons of water down the damaged chute ahead of coming storms.


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Water trickles down as workers inspect part of the Lake Oroville spillway failure on Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2017 in Oroville, Calif.


But the same phenomenon nearly caused the collapse of one of America’s other largest dams, Glen Canyon, a 710-foot tall behemoth on the Colorado River, in 1983.

Heavy snowmelt and rains that winter flooded the Colorado River basin, filling the 185-mile-long Lake Powell to the brim. Glen Canyon Dam — completed in 1966, just two years before the 770-foot Oroville Dam went into operation — opened its two spillways for the first time ever to lower the lake levels.

On June 6, 1983, rumbling sounds could be heard from the left spillway — which is a tunnel, different than Oroville’s 3,000-foot long concrete chute — and the dam began to shake violently. Bureau of Reclamation engineers shut off the spillway and found a series of five holes being torn into the rocks on the dam’s side.

When engineers entered the Glen Canyon Dam’s damaged spillway, they found a crater 32 feet deep and 180 feet long, and tons of concrete, reinforced metal and rock that had simply washed away. The right spillway had similar, but less severe damage. They didn’t simply reconstruct the spillways, they introduced new technology with aeration slots — essentially ramps at vulnerable spots in the spillway to create an air pocket where water vapor could be disrupted and weakened. The physics gambit worked. In 1984, the runoff was equally as challenging, but Glen Canyon’s spillways had no problems.

Those fixes led the federal agency to retrofit two other large dams — Hoover and Blue Mesa — with aerators.

“It was a defining moment in dam design,” Bureau of Reclamation hydraulic engineer Philip Burgi told a magazine years later. “The world was watching how we were going to solve this problem.”

Similar fixes were added to the Tarbela Dam in Pakistan and Infiernillo Dam in Mexico, and now are common in new dams.

It could be months before the cause of the collapse of Oroville Dam’s spillway is known. The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission this week ordered the state Department of Water Resources to convene a panel of five dam engineering experts to oversee an investigation.

But despite the lessons from Glen Canyon, the Oroville Dam spillway apparently did not have aerators. The massive chute is 178 feet wide, as wide as 15 lanes of freeway, and just 15 inches thick in the middle. Sources at the Department of Water Resources say it hadn’t been retrofitted with aerators — likely one or two ramps, in the case of Oroville’s chute-style spillway, perhaps a foot high each, that would allow the water to flow over and reduce the risk of cavitation.

“Compared to the cost to repair that, it would be just a few million dollars,” said Tullis. “It’s not just a matter of money, it’s a matter of safety. It should have been a priority.”

When the main spillway failed, officials had to slow water releases. The lake, swollen from heavy storms, rose nearly 50 feet in five days and overtopped its emergency spillway for the first time ever, forcing the emergency evacuation of nearly 200,000 residents along the Feather River. The hillside below the emergency spillway eroded badly, leading to fears it would collapse, and send a wall of water into towns below. In recent days, dam operators have increased flows down the broken main spillway, dropping the lake level, and hoping it doesn’t further tear apart.

By Friday morning, state officials had lowered the water level at the 10-mile-long reservoir by 40 feet, especially important as three new storm systems were coming in.

“The threat level is lower. It’s much, much, much lower than what it was on Sunday,” said Bill Croyle, acting director of the State Department of Water Resources.


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Water rages down the broken main spillway at Oroville Dam on Wednesday. Dale Kolke / California Department of Water Resources


One concern that is certain to be a focus in the investigation are cracks in the main spillway in recent years. Records from the state Division of Safety of Dams show the cracks were seen in 2009. Also, crack repairs were done last in 2013, according to Kevin Dossey, a senior civil engineer with the Department of Water Resources.



“We made repairs and everything checked out,” Dossey said last Friday at a news conference. “It looked like it would hold, and be able to pass water.”

If the concrete patches came off, or the cracks worsened, however, that could have eroded the spillway, or it could have created enough of an uneven surface to start the domino-effect of cavitaton, experts said.

“It doesn’t take a whole lot of an imperfection when water velocities are very, very high,” said James Kells, a professor of civil and geological engineering at the University of Saskatchewan.

“When I first saw photos, the first thing that came to my mind was cavitation, just because of where the damage was,” Kells said. But he also began to think uneven concrete slabs or internal erosion below the concrete could be “viable causes.”

Of concern: State officials appear not to have entered the spillway channel during the last two inspections in 2015 and 2016, according to records. “Any inspection you do from a great distance,” Kells said, “I would have to question that.”

Another theory is that the drought dried the ground under the spillway enough that it shrank, creating a void of a few inches that cracked the spillway when huge volumes of water roared down this winter.

“Soils shrink and swell,” said Nicholas Sitar, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at UC-Berkeley. “They have a way of changing volume with seasons. Anyone who has an old house where the doors open and close differently through the year has seen it.”

Big changes are critical, Sitar said.

“They have to look at their procedures and modify them,” he said. “Clearly the spillway is going to have to be rebuilt,” a job that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

And the investigation won’t be easy.

“All evidence of what caused this thing,” Sitar said, “has been washed away.”


DAMS DAMAGED BY ‘CAVITATION’
1967: Heavy snow melt in the Bighorn River basin raises the Yellowtail Dam reservoir to record levels, opening the spillway for 20 straight days. The Montana dam spillways suffers a hole the size of a semi-truck and trailer.

1977: The Karun Dam in Iran has more than 7,500 feet of concrete torn up on its concrete spillways.

1979: The Kebon Dam along the Euphrates River in Turkey suffers damage to two spillways; one had been running for 15 days, another just three.

1983: The Glen Canyon Dam takes on heavy snowmelt and rains leading to water coming perilously close to the top of the dam. Its two tunnel spillways open for the first time ever and both receive significant damage. Engineers create new aerator devices to fix the problem, a big turning point in spillway engineering.

1983: Hoover Dam, the nation’s most well-known, used its spillways in 1941 for initial testing and again in 1983 due to unanticipated high water levels, and both times a concrete elbow transition suffered cavitation damage.

Mid-1980s: Flaming Gorge Dam on the Green River in northeastern Utah and Blue Mesa Dam in Colorado suffer damage are both fixed with aeration devices.


Related:


Oroville Dam: Cause of emergency won’t be known for ‘a long time,’ state says (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/17/oroville-dam-cause-of-emergency-wont-be-known-for-a-long-time-state-says/)
Updates: California lawmaker wants more spillway inspections (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/17/the-latest-california-reservoir-drops-despite-rain/)
Can Oroville Dam withstand approaching storm? (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/16/the-latest-water-levels-at-lake-behind-dam-keep-dropping/)
How the Oroville Dam is just the beginning of California’s flood fears (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/16/how-the-oroville-dam-is-just-the-beginning-of-californias-flood-fears/)

[onawah]

Oroville Reveals Concerns About California’s 1,500 Aging Dams
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/19/oroville-dam-crisis-reveals-concerns-californias-1500-aging-dams/

by CHRISS W. STREET
19 Feb 2017
The Oroville Dam crisis is highlighting concerns that there are substantial risks to the integrity of California’s 1,500 regulated dams due to age and infrastructure underfunding.
The spillway near-failure at Oroville Dam is being blamed on the “snow water equivalents” in the Northern Sierra Mountains being at 143 percent of normal average for this time of year. But the “snow water equivalents” in the Central Sierra Mountains are even higher, at 182 percent of average, and the measure for the Southern Sierra Mountains is at 192 percent.

That explains why the earthen New Don Pedro Reservoir is also at 97 percent of capacity. Holding back about two-thirds of the water as giant Oroville Lake, egineers are about to open the New Don Pedro Dam emergency spillway for only the second time in its 46-year history

The California Department of Water Resources directory of “Jurisdictional Dams” lists 50 pages. with 30 dams per page, that are on the “National Dam Registry.” About 1,250 are under the sole regulatory authority of the state, and another 250 dams are jointly regulated by the supposedly independent Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).

FERC, as an independent agency, gives the majority party in the U.S. Senate the right to appoint 3 seats, and the minority 2 seats, to four-year terms. But both FERC Republican appointees have resigned, and the 3 remaining Democrat appointees will soon be down to 2 Democrats on February 3, when Democrat appointee Norman Bay will resign. Given that it takes a minimum of 60 days to fill a seat, FERC will lack a quorum until May to make decisions for all but most serious emergency situations.

Oroville Dam, as a state-owned facility, is an example of the risk from both Democrat and Republican governors slashing infrastructure spending by 83 percent from a national high 20 percent of the state budget 40 years ago, to the nation’s second worst at 3.4 percent this year, according to a study by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.

The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) warned in 2013 that California has a $65 billion infrastructure investment deficit in providing an adequate level of public infrastructure for dams, waterways, airports, roads, bridges, seaports and tunnels.

ASCE warned in 2013 that “Investment in infrastructure is vital to our state’s productivity, competitiveness and economic well-being.” And in a warning that should have been heeded, ASCE highlighted in its “Infrastructure Report Card” that levees/flood control was California’s most neglected sector, earning a “D” grade.

ASCE also warned that to prevent major flooding from storms, California would need to invest “$2.8 billion per year for the next 10 years” to bring its channels, levees, dams and pumping stations up to proper condition to protect thousands of homes, businesses and critical community infrastructure.

But Breitbart News has reported that the ability of California to reverse course and start funding infrastructure is highly constrained. Gov. Jerry Brown warned in January that despite economic growth of 3.29 percent, California’s $122.8 billion budget will suffer its first deficit since 2012, as state spending has grown by 7.46 percent per year.

In the past, California could borrow tens of billions of dollars, but the state and local governments now owe $1.3 trillion for bonds, loans, debt guarantees, unfunded public employee pensions and post-employment benefits. With debt of 52 percent of GDP, “California taxpayers are shouldering debt burdens on a par with residents of peripheral Eurozone states,” according to a new report from the California Policy Center.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Uh oh...

Evacuating by the Wilton Nuke plant...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3hSrjIWRm0

Don't worry, I'm sure Rick Perry is on it...

[onawah]

The spillway is crumbling
ddMXfQw5WaY

[Hervé]

The spillway is crumblingIt might be more accurate to state that the main spillway has been holding in that crumbled state for two days now... thanks to the slightly reduced water flow over it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Now that isn't anywhere near as bad as I expected. It can be filled and patched in 12 hours...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDylWEyAtHA

[Eric J (Viking)]

Further info here...I think we need a little help...!

Well, it looks like the view the “sunlight reflection” of a couple days ago was really a breach in the sidewall of the main spillway. The main spillway is like a H with the main water flow groove, and a side wall on both sides to keep the water flowing down the central channel.
If I understand what I am seeing here, up above the original “hole,” back towards the spillway top, on the left side, you had a FAILURE of some of the concrete wall sections. This allowed the water to DIVERT from the main “channel, and shift left OUTSIDE THE CONCRETE CHANNEL, AND START ERODING, DIRECTLY ERODING THE DIRT THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPILLWAY. The situation is you now have TWO SEPARATE DOWNSTREAM WATER FLOWS: THE FIRST ONE INSIDE THE SPILLWAY AND THE SECOND ONE EXITING THE WALL BREACH AND ERODING AWAY THE HILLSIDE, OR EVEN GOING BACK UNDER THE MAIN SPILLWAY AND CAUSING FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE CONCRETE SLABS ETC.
Yep, it is now a done deal in my opinion. The failure of the main spillway is now INEVITABLE. It will eventually fail, all the way from the sidewall breach, the one between/below the power lines, and the top of the spillway.
The erosion undercut going back up towards the spillway top, on the left side first, a day or so ago, and IT IS LIKELY CUTTING UNDER THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE MAIN SPILLWAY AND WILL LIKE CAUSE A SEPARATE BREACH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SPILLWAY WALL.
The whore media and politicians will spin this as best as they can, but we are going to see criminal charges out of this down the road. The failure to issue a mandatory evacuation order is an act of moral cowardice, cynical political opportunism and will destroy California for a generation. Nowski, amigo I am saying the state of Jefferson is going to be born out of this, since the hatred of the deplorables for that SCUMBAG GOVERNOR MOONBEAM HAS DONE TO THEM WILL HAVE NO LIMIT.
The main highway/freeway is I-5 and over it comes the tens of thousands of trucks that supply the “I-5 Corridor.” The rail lines are also linked to the I-5 corridor and carry every thing the entire coastal PNW, Portland, Seattle need.
You do have options, 101 Coastal Highway, 395 through Eastern Oregon, but they are not credible for mass truck transit.
In my opinion, the level of economic damage to the Agriculture Industry will be massive. It is not a case where you “can’t” get citrus fruit, or fresh vegetables, it will be a case of it will cost you more to import citrus from Florida, Texas or Arizona.
And I will say again to those of you who somehow think Governor Moonbeam is going to skate on this, especially if San Francisco Bay is full of floating corpses, it ain’t going to happen. The way the game works is the media and political whores get to do whatever they want until they screw up so bad people die. At that point, the larger system, the NWO , the globalists are quite willing to throw a mid level player like Governor Moonbeam to the howling wolves, if it will keep their butts out of the wolf pit.
Nope, Moonbeam is road kill because the real “they” the 300 families that rule the world, won’t hesitate to slit his throat to keep the mob happy. I live with Snowflakes, Nowski and when the Snowflakes lose one third, to one half of their drinking water, they are going to chop Moonbeam into tiny pieces.
Doomer Doug, a.k.a. Doug McIntosh now has a blog at www.doomerdoug.wordpress.com

Further reading
http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/water/flooding/news.php?q=1487614017

Viking

[onawah]

I saw in one report (and should have posted it then!) a diagram showing one reason why the whole dam may be in peril, that being that so much saturation of the ground in front of and under the dam can weaken the whole structure.
That, of course, is one function of the spillways--to direct the water away from the ground immediately around and under the dam.
So now the spillways are unable to keep the water far away enough from the dam, so that may be a big problem.

[Bill Ryan]

For those who are interested in the real-time inflow-outflow numbers, and the dam level, here's the page:


http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO&d=20-Feb-2017+13:41&span=25hours

That's specific for right now, but it's easily updated once you open the link. :thumbsup:

[raregem]

Don't worry, I'm sure Rick Perry is on it...

I just had a great big chuckle.....
Growing up in Austin, Tx. I had many opportunities to meet and greet politicians. No. I was not a politico.

I flirted with the secret service when Shrub, Jr. was packing to go to the white house. That was my first real taste of severe, underlying distrust for the citizen. It was subtle but, it was different than my normal. Although, he (secret service guy) seemed a bit confused as I drove around the mansion several times, winking at him. Then, he gave a small grin finally, so I left.

I was also introduced to Perry as he was going into the mansion and as Governor of Texas. He so happened to punch me (as he was introduced to me) in my arm. Well he tapped the right place on my torn rotator cuff that it was painful. I was surprised that he greeted me with an arm punch but, I equally surprised the (hmm hmmmm) "secret service agent" by punching Perry back on his arm.
I no longer take it for granted that we can be relaxed and normal and maybe silly.

Back to the problem at hand....the dams breaking.
Does anyone have a website address for all USA dams and their ages? Also, nuclear plant sites-across the world or USA? If, I have missed them on this thread my apologies. No need to bite me, please.

[ThePythonicCow]

For those who are interested in the real-time inflow-outflow numbers, and the dam level, here's the page:


http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO&d=20-Feb-2017+13:41&span=25hours

That's specific for right now, but it's easily updated once you open the link. :thumbsup:

Here's a link that seems to bring up whatever is the most current Oroville dam level: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO

When the level reaches 900 feet, it overflows the "emergency", aka "auxilliary" spill way. Now the level has been lowered just below 850 feet (the "RES ELE FEET" column), in preparation for the incoming rains.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Can someone copy this post over to the Fulford thread? This is my kick in the balls of the elite trying to make water the new controls now that oil is about to become a thing of the past


I have the answer to pay for all these dam repairs, open a State owned bottling center for water and beer from fresh spring water.

Add some permanent jobs to the area and money to always keep the dam in shape

Maybe Nestle's will donate their Dam water facility. For all the cavities they've caused, they should be ready to help fill a few...

I tweeted Trump asking him to help me put it together.

All I want is a California Rocky Shorz Red...

I have a filtering system that can take fracking sludge and make it clean enough for the CEO of the project to drink it...

Run Mountain Spring Snowflakes through it and it will be the best in the world...

How many breweries in California use recycled toilet water, we got this...

I want California known for the best Dam Beer in the world... 😉

[Rocky_Shorz]

Recent update on the current problems at the dam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Ij7cD2C8Y

Update on recent rain conditions, perfect break over Oroville...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

This quake swarm is west of Orville, actually good news to have it away from the dams


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RASxMZGy0

[onawah]

Those last couple of links don't appear to be working, but here is fairly current coverage--evacuation is in process, I THINK--it's hard to tell what is really current on these youtube pages.

FX83qSatoOo


For those who are interested in the real-time inflow-outflow numbers, and the dam level, here's the page:


http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO&d=20-Feb-2017+13:41&span=25hours

That's specific for right now, but it's easily updated once you open the link. :thumbsup:

Here's a link that seems to bring up whatever is the most current Oroville dam level: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO

When the level reaches 900 feet, it overflows the "emergency", aka "auxilliary" spill way. Now the level has been lowered just below 850 feet (the "RES ELE FEET" column), in preparation for the incoming rains.

[ThePythonicCow]

Those last couple of links don't appear to be working, but here is fairly current coverage--evacuation is in process, I THINK--it's hard to tell what is really current on these youtube pages.

FX83qSatoOo
I'm confident that that video is not live, but from several days ago. The "2/21/17 LIVE STREAM" label seems bogus to me.



Here's a link that seems to bring up whatever is the most current Oroville dam level: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO

When the level reaches 900 feet, it overflows the "emergency", aka "auxilliary" spill way. Now the level has been lowered just below 850 feet (the "RES ELE FEET" column), in preparation for the incoming rains.

This link, http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO, continues to work fine for me, showing that the current water level is now 851.35 feet, as of 58 minutes ago.

[onawah]

That link http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO is still not working for me, but I agree, the date on that one is bogus that says evacuation is in progress again. Very frustrating, and very common on youtube now that the dates are wrong.


Those last couple of links don't appear to be working, but here is fairly current coverage--evacuation is in process, I THINK--it's hard to tell what is really current on these youtube pages.

FX83qSatoOo
I'm confident that that video is not live, but from several days ago. The "2/21/17 LIVE STREAM" label seems bogus to me.



Here's a link that seems to bring up whatever is the most current Oroville dam level: http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO

When the level reaches 900 feet, it overflows the "emergency", aka "auxilliary" spill way. Now the level has been lowered just below 850 feet (the "RES ELE FEET" column), in preparation for the incoming rains.

This link, http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO, continues to work fine for me, showing that the current water level is now 851.35 feet, as of 58 minutes ago.

[Hervé]

Lake level with water flows in and out:

http://rdcfeeds.redding.com/lakelevels/oro.cfm


http://rdcfeeds.redding.com/lakelevels/oro.cfm

[Rocky_Shorz]

7.25 earthquake is the Max California dams were built for?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZr59R3MPj0

So the big one hits here collapsing 1500 dams and energy transfers across to the Madrid fault line and takes out 30 nuke plants, putting them into meltdown...

No worries, Rick Perry will pull out his Batman costume and save the day...

[Rocky_Shorz]

If you see a video with water coming over the spill wall give it a thumbs down, if they show a full spillway, thumbs down.

Try not to share anything that isn't current within 4 hours.

YouTube is absolutely worthless on current events unless you know what you are looking for.

The Travelocity gnome got blown up to the north pole last night...


35001

Current...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Joseph Farrell's recent post:

REVISITING THE OROVILLE DAM STORY

He lists several articles and theories:

**The first category of theory concerns the maintenance of the Oroville dam, which does indeed appear not to have been maintained at the highest level.

**Governor Brown (aka Gov.Moon Beam) is - you guessed it - blaming the potential failure of the dam on "global warming," not poor maintenance and certainly not on "deliberate action" of other types:

**Another version, which implicates the state governor in some activity displacing local sheriffs and their responses to the situation

**Article, from the Sacramento Bee, another find by Mr. V.T., points out that the dam's maintenance manual is outdated, and based on weather patterns from fifty years ago

**Oroville Dam sabotage aimed at destroying Californian economy

**LA Times article, points out the governor allegedly had state officials investigate the oil drilling potential on some of his personal property in northern California, which the second link, a private post, alleges is near the dam:

for more: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/02/revisiting-oroville-dam-story/

NOTE: The videos on the website are Not current

[Frenchy]

Dahboo's research shows asks......

What is causing this RADAR anomaly at Orville Dam ? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/What is causing this RADAR anomaly at Orville Dam )

Just as with 'Liquifaction ', sink holes, 911, and other utilisation of DEW's, are they weakening this dam...... slowly ?


The 'general public ' would easily accept saturation as the cause...

[onawah]

There definitely is more than one cause for the problem, and weather manipulation being high on the list as well.

Joseph Farrell's recent post:

REVISITING THE OROVILLE DAM STORY

He lists several articles and theories:

**The first category of theory concerns the maintenance of the Oroville dam, which does indeed appear not to have been maintained at the highest level.

**Governor Brown (aka Gov.Moon Beam) is - you guessed it - blaming the potential failure of the dam on "global warming," not poor maintenance and certainly not on "deliberate action" of other types:

**Another version, which implicates the state governor in some activity displacing local sheriffs and their responses to the situation

**Article, from the Sacramento Bee, another find by Mr. V.T., points out that the dam's maintenance manual is outdated, and based on weather patterns from fifty years ago

**Oroville Dam sabotage aimed at destroying Californian economy

**LA Times article, points out the governor allegedly had state officials investigate the oil drilling potential on some of his personal property in northern California, which the second link, a private post, alleges is near the dam:

for more: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/02/revisiting-oroville-dam-story/

NOTE: The videos on the website are Not current


Dahboo's research shows asks......

What is causing this RADAR anomaly at Orville Dam ? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/What is causing this RADAR anomaly at Orville Dam )

Just as with 'Liquifaction ', sink holes, 911, and other utilisation of DEW's, are they weakening this dam...... slowly ?


The 'general public ' would easily accept saturation as the cause...

[onawah]

From a lone cameraman on the scene who is posting short videos as regularly as he can (with accurate dates).
Here is the one from today:
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Uh oh, this Fukushima radiated storm cloud was just activated by x-ray of an earth facing solar flare.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

The overflow spillway is complete, so the danger of collapse at this dam is over. They plan on cutting water on the main spillway for 48 hours to shore it up before the next storm hits...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Further info here...I think we need a little help...!

Well, it looks like the view the “sunlight reflection” of a couple days ago was really a breach in the sidewall of the main spillway. The main spillway is like a H with the main water flow groove, and a side wall on both sides to keep the water flowing down the central channel.
If I understand what I am seeing here, up above the original “hole,” back towards the spillway top, on the left side, you had a FAILURE of some of the concrete wall sections. This allowed the water to DIVERT from the main “channel, and shift left OUTSIDE THE CONCRETE CHANNEL, AND START ERODING, DIRECTLY ERODING THE DIRT THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPILLWAY. The situation is you now have TWO SEPARATE DOWNSTREAM WATER FLOWS: THE FIRST ONE INSIDE THE SPILLWAY AND THE SECOND ONE EXITING THE WALL BREACH AND ERODING AWAY THE HILLSIDE, OR EVEN GOING BACK UNDER THE MAIN SPILLWAY AND CAUSING FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE CONCRETE SLABS ETC.
Yep, it is now a done deal in my opinion. The failure of the main spillway is now INEVITABLE. It will eventually fail, all the way from the sidewall breach, the one between/below the power lines, and the top of the spillway.
The erosion undercut going back up towards the spillway top, on the left side first, a day or so ago, and IT IS LIKELY CUTTING UNDER THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE MAIN SPILLWAY AND WILL LIKE CAUSE A SEPARATE BREACH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SPILLWAY WALL.
The whore media and politicians will spin this as best as they can, but we are going to see criminal charges out of this down the road. The failure to issue a mandatory evacuation order is an act of moral cowardice, cynical political opportunism and will destroy California for a generation. Nowski, amigo I am saying the state of Jefferson is going to be born out of this, since the hatred of the deplorables for that SCUMBAG GOVERNOR MOONBEAM HAS DONE TO THEM WILL HAVE NO LIMIT.
The main highway/freeway is I-5 and over it comes the tens of thousands of trucks that supply the “I-5 Corridor.” The rail lines are also linked to the I-5 corridor and carry every thing the entire coastal PNW, Portland, Seattle need.
You do have options, 101 Coastal Highway, 395 through Eastern Oregon, but they are not credible for mass truck transit.
In my opinion, the level of economic damage to the Agriculture Industry will be massive. It is not a case where you “can’t” get citrus fruit, or fresh vegetables, it will be a case of it will cost you more to import citrus from Florida, Texas or Arizona.
And I will say again to those of you who somehow think Governor Moonbeam is going to skate on this, especially if San Francisco Bay is full of floating corpses, it ain’t going to happen. The way the game works is the media and political whores get to do whatever they want until they screw up so bad people die. At that point, the larger system, the NWO , the globalists are quite willing to throw a mid level player like Governor Moonbeam to the howling wolves, if it will keep their butts out of the wolf pit.
Nope, Moonbeam is road kill because the real “they” the 300 families that rule the world, won’t hesitate to slit his throat to keep the mob happy. I live with Snowflakes, Nowski and when the Snowflakes lose one third, to one half of their drinking water, they are going to chop Moonbeam into tiny pieces.
Doomer Doug, a.k.a. Doug McIntosh now has a blog at www.doomerdoug.wordpress.com

Further reading
http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/water/flooding/news.php?q=1487614017

Viking

From a drone it is hard to judge distance, but main spillway breaking only causes problems by dumping debris into the river and reversing current so water levels are to high at the hydro generator.. the break in the spillway is almost 1000 yards from the dam. It's like a small dent on your fender, no problem driving the car until you can fix it.

Other than an earthquake hitting 7.25 or greater, the Dam system will survive until the dry season to get in with permanent fixes to some of the patchwork.

[Hervé]

https://content.newsinc.com/jpg/499/31981741/50735062.jpg?t=1486994640

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[Rocky_Shorz]

Can you grab an image from the video showing the spillway with water off?

2 mins 8 secs in they show spillway with water shut off.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDylWEyAtHA

This was 2 days ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ElOt0VcAAcXge.jpg:small

They really only need to move the cement barriers on the left to the dirt wall to force the flow to go straight on the spillway to clear the river for the generator. Air lift rock bags in to smooth the path and let her flow.

In this image you can see how far the flow goes straight, moving the barriers at that point will stop the water flowing down reversing the river.

https://content.newsinc.com/jpg/499/31981741/50735062.jpg?t=1486994640


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKwm3D6PFtI

[Hervé]

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This screen-grab still shows landslides "steps" in the forefront which are no longer there in the picture of post # 125 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-dam...--California-February-2017-&p=1136197&viewfull=1#post1136197).

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IOfiqUWEUM

[Hervé]

Worst floods in a century in San Jose (https://www.iceagenow.info/worst-floods-century-san-jose/)

By Robert (https://www.iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) February 23, 2017 (https://www.iceagenow.info/worst-floods-century-san-jose/)

Residents of the inundated California city are angry that they were not given more warning that a disaster was imminent.

“If the first time a resident is aware that they need to get out of a home is when they see a firefighter in a boat, then clearly there has been a failure,” said San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo.
Chest-deep water trapped hundreds of residents in homes and in trees.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-jose-floods-20170222-story.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

I believe, You might be a redneck if you refuse to leave your house for an emergency until you see a fireman drive up in a boat...

[onawah]

Very interesting
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More about Victor Schauberger here:
http://schauberger.co.uk/

Shasta Dam spillway also overflowing into the Sacramento Valley
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Anderson Dam spills over, Morgan Hill flooded
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[bluestflame]

question , what could this evacuation situation be being used to cover for my focus being human trafficking illegals , paedo networks

[Rocky_Shorz]

I have the answer to pay for all these dam repairs, open a State owned bottling center for water and beer from fresh spring water.

Add some permanent jobs to the area and money to always keep the dam in shape

Maybe Nestle's will donate their Dam water facility. For all the cavities they've caused, they should be ready to help fill a few...

I tweeted Trump asking him to help me put it together.

All I want is a California Rocky Shorz Red...

I have a filtering system that can take fracking sludge and make it clean enough for the CEO of the project to drink it...

Run Mountain Spring Snowflakes through it and it will be the best in the world...

How many breweries in California use recycled toilet water, we got this...

I want California known for the best Dam Beer in the world... 😉

I really am not surprised Trump ignored me when I asked to take control of water away from his friends, but once again, the Pope showed he is listening.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEemRJgCxls


Of course this is post 133, the controllers make a move and I stick out a foot to trip them...

Quarter million new jobs not counting the construction workers to build the facilities and retail outlets. Lower water bills because the full infrastructure is paid for with this statewide operation.

A win win for everyone.

[onawah]

Long Term Dangers for Oroville Dam-Paul Preston
Published on Feb 25, 2017
THE COMMON SENSE SHOW
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Real footage from today, lost another huge chunk of the main spillway, no way to get generator running before storm with river currents reversed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E25CZmhung

[onawah]

Oroville Dam CA Rain Proof Flooding is Manmade
Published on Feb 25, 2017
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UPDATE CA ANALYSIS OF OROVILLE REPORT: THE CONSEQUENCES OF DAM FAILURE 25 02 2017
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[onawah]

THIS NEEDS MORE ATTENTION, imho.
California dams and many others are flawed in their design.
I haven't had time yet to research this thoroughly, but judging from some of the youtube videos that delve into the work of Victor Schauberger:
http://schauberger.co.uk/
...the builders failed to understand how water moves when under pressure, so the spillways especially are not viable.
Extensive clearcutting of areas around dams causing erosion also shows an incredible lack of foresight.

This youtube page for "Svani 7480" has a lot of videos explaining Schauberger's work: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6gJVPXxjzIXj9YDx2QgY8A
Apparently the problems were recognized some time ago in California and so presumably elsewhere as well, but action has not been taken for the most part, even though evidence of climate change has made it obvious that extensive revisions would have to have been made in order to avoid the inevitable scenario we are seeing now, and this is only the beginning, it seems.
Apparently the drought and now the deluge in California were enhanced if not caused by weather manipulation, so it seems likely that one of the ways in which the elite have planned to cripple the US was by targeting California.
It is definitely an Achilles heel when most of the produce for this country comes from the Central Valley, and even if the floods don't reach the growing fields and there is no crop failure, flooding and destruction of highways can prevent the produce from being distributed before it spoils.
So whistleblowers have been warning us of food shortages for very good reason.
All the more reason for individuals, regions and states to become more independent, and for new farming practices to be utilized, such as farming on rooftops, etc.

[onawah]

A good overall explanation of what is not working now at the Oroville dam:
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Published on Feb 21, 2017
Bix Weir has an update on what's happening at the Oroville Dam and the potential problems associated with the on going False Flag. No matter what happens to the Oroville Dam the problems in California are going to be both expensive and long lasting.

More here from Bix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Yo_3ZL7b0

[onawah]

If you haven't already, you can see Robert David Steele's reply to my concerns about the Oroville Dam here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96359-Robert-David-Steele-has-become-an-Avalon-Member&p=1137336&viewfull=1#post1137336
which include:

The USG has never done holistic analytics or true cost economics -- the Army Corps of Engineers destroyed the lungs of America (the Mississippi wetlands) for the convenience of the oil companies and because our government lacked intelligence and integrity.

03 Similarly, HAARP, mind control, legalizing the poisoning of food, water, and ground, vaccines, fracking, all stem from individual financial interests that bribe our two-party tyranny. There is no individual issue that will receive an honest hearing until we achieve electoral reform and make possible evidence-based governance.

04 With respect to the dam there are clear indications of sabotage and intent to make it appear a threat to get money.

[onawah]

Updates from yesterday and today, two different perspectives
OROVILLE DAM UPDATE 27 FEB. "THE BATTLE OF MIDWAY"
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mportant update today regarding a change in the tide of events on the ongoing Oroville Reservoir Crisis.


Starting at about 5 minutes in:
Oroville Dam UPDATE and runoff numbers 2-26-17 MORE flooding STILL likely spillway
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[onawah]

WOW! Check out the spillway erosion fromairborne footage taken today from above the Dam.
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Published on Feb 27, 2017
My wife and I got a birds eye view of the spillway today as the lighting was perfect and they had shut off the out flow.. Check this out..

[Hervé]

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[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ibFlq0jb8

Quarter billion dollar fix...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFuQ1esaxo

[Hervé]

...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/baaasepageb3.html):

http://82.221.129.208/pages/orovillespillway.jpg


http://82.221.129.208/pages/oroville2.jpg
The gray "sand bar" is chunks of rock that were eroded away and dropped in the river below the spillway. This formed a dam that caused flooding upstream, and prevented the power houses from being used. They are trying to clear this now.

[onawah]

Cleaning up the mess as fast as they can...1 MARCH Detailed On Site Update
1 MARCH Detailed On Site Update
blancolirio
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[Hervé]

...

From Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/baaasepageb8.html):

http://82.221.129.208/pages/orovillehugejob.jpg

[onawah]

The power plant is operational again, and a forecast
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This guy is not so optimistic with his quotes and figures
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Even worse...
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[onawah]

Dangers to the power plant--a delicate balance
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[ThePythonicCow]

Dangers to the power plant--a delicate balance
That water seeping back into the power plant was in an article dated 2-16-2017 (see the video around 0:34 seconds). Since then, as you reported in post #147, above, they have just now lowered the water below the power plant enough so that they can begin turning the generators back on.

So that tells me that the concern of damage to the power plant from water backing up into it from below has been solved ... for now anyway. Only if they have to open up the main spillway again, and plug up the river below the power plant again, would they risk water backing up into the power plant again.

Meanwhile, if they can get enough cold weather in the central and northern Sierra's, that drain into the Feather River (the southern Sierra's that the "not so optimistic guy" included in his Statewide Summary average should not have been included in the average that is above the Oroville dam), then they can lower the Oroville Lake, above the dam, further, and be better able to handle the run off when the snow does melt.

Even if the snow melt does get away from them, when it finally does melt, and even if they have to go back to heavy use of the main spillway, blocking the river below the power plant again, this would likely be a one time problem. Even if they further destroy the main spillway, and flood the power plant, the dam would hold, without even having to test whether the patches to the emergency spillway were any good.

They might even be able to try some patch repairs of the main spillway, if just the power plant can keep the lake low enough, for a week or three.

[Sequoia]

What I understand is that there's 8-9 dams above Oroville dam that are pretty much at full capacity atm…then add the melting snow, more rain, and little shaking to the already neglected infrastructure. Good luck, is all I can say.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

What I understand is that there's 8-9 dams above Oroville dam that are pretty much at full capacity atm…then add the melting snow, more rain, and little shaking to the already neglected infrastructure. Good luck, is all I can say.

http://http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/images/ca_lakedots1.png

There are only 2 above Oroville to my knowledge. Shasta and Trinity. Don Pedro, below Oroville was a problem back in February, but is OK for now.

See Chart (which I couldn't seem to post here): http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action

[onawah]

According to this Breitbart article, there are 9 reservoirs that flow into the Oroville.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/21/oroville-lake-52-feet-9-upstream-reservoirs-flood/
(Some of the info is outdated since this is from 2/17, but not all of it...)

Although the California Department of Water Resources is claiming Oroville Dam is safer because the water level has fallen by 52 feet, that feat was largely accomplished by over-filing 9 upstream reservoirs that are all expected to flood as another Pineapple Express storm-train brings 48 hours of heavy rain through Wednesday.
The last winter storm caused an evacuation of about 200,000 people downstream from Lake Oroville due to the threat of a catastrophic failure of the dam.

Although most Americans have been told that the fissure in the side of the dam has been stabilized by opening up the spillway to drain the lake, and helicopters have dropped huge bags of rocks in a crack, the water flow into Oroville Lake has been restricted by overfilling the upstream reservoirs.

The nine State Water Project and PG&E earthen reservoirs on the Upper Feather River Watershed that feed directly into Lake Oroville were already at maximum capacity prior to the new storms. This next storm is expected to bring 1-3 inches of rain in the valleys. But the Central Sierras are expecting 10 inches of snow and rain over the next 7 days.

With all the higher elevation reservoirs brimming, Supervisor Kevin Goss from mountainous Plumas County told the Sacramento Bee, “I’m watching, and I’m worried.” Flooding from the last set of storms shut down escape in all directions in his Indian Valley district.

The towns of Greenville and Taylorsville were isolated, and sewer systems for the sparsely populated county suffered extensive damage as many roads washed out. The flooding from the new storm is expected to be much more serious.

In addition, Relatively warm temperatures of up to 49 degrees in nearby Tahoe caused snowmelt this week. With the “Snow Water Equivalents” for this time of year in the Central Sierras at 183 percent and the Southern Sierras at 205 percent; the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration warned that the mountains could see significant runoff.

The total capacity of the upstream dams is about 400,000 acre feet, or about one tenth the capacity of Lake Oroville. Last week, the upstream reservoirs were allowed to fill in an effort to take pressure of Oroville Dam. But with the dams full, virtually 100 percent of the rain and runoff from the coming storms will flow into Oroville Lake.

Despite the upstream restricting of water flow, Lake Oroville added over 1 million acre feet of water in three days during the last storm. Engineers from the California Department of Water Resources hope that a combination of releasing 800,000 acre feet of water from the lake will be enough to prevent another Oroville Dam flood.


The way this guy is interpreting the numbers is not so optimistic, with warming temps likely to cause plenty of snowmelt
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[onawah]

Meanwhile, this guy is tracking how chemtrails continue to divert rain from the L.A. area, prolonging the drought there.
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Related to the Oroville situation... in that Dane Wigington talks about how his

]research has proved to him that earthquakes can be caused by directed energy weapons (such as HAARP) which bounce streams of electromagnetic waves off of the upper atmosphere, which superheats the air over "seismically sensitive" areas such as California and some areas of the midwest, causing unstable fault lines to rupture.[/COLOR]
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/03/01

Researcher and activist Dane Wigington has been documenting disturbing changes in the environment he attributes to the practice of "geoengineering." This includes various weather modification techniques including chemtrails and projects such as HAARP. He began his three hour segment by telling George and the listeners that the Earth is headed for "omnicide," or the elimination of all life on the planet because of what he says are secret climate control projects that stretch back to at least 1947. The reports of China boasting that they controlled the weather during the recent Beijing Olympics is just the tip of the iceberg, according to Wigington. He believes that weather modification has caused far more damage to the atmosphere and contributed to global heating than simple pollution and carbon emissions.

Wigington believes that the climate changes that are coming are "past the point of no return," and wants people to be aware of the causes. The reasons for governments engaging in weather modification are purely to control populations by controlling the food supply, he contends. He cited documented evidence of chemical spraying from high-altitude aircraft, and added that pilots are silenced with non-discosure agreements that include a provision for "use of deadly force" if they do not comply. He thinks that the spraying is designed to block sunlight and cool regions that have become too hot. In spite of this seemingly exact control of the weather, Wigington believes the evidence he has gathered proves that things are so out of balance at this point that fixing the climate is like "trying to put out fires with buckets of gas."

Wigington’s research has proved to him that earthquakes can be caused by directed energy weapons (such as HAARP) which bounce streams of electromagnetic waves off of the upper atmosphere, which superheats the air over "seismically sensitive" areas such as California and some areas of the midwest, causing unstable fault lines to rupture. He says that there is evidence for this in the correlation of weather and earthquake records from such areas as Haiti, Fukushima, and New Zealand. He also contends that areas where anomalous cold weather and snow are present are being engineered through the use of "chemically nucleated" cloud seeding. Wigington characterizes the global efforts at weather control as a "climate engineering Manhattan Project."

I think this is the same show on youtube here:
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This one really gives a better perspective on the amount of damage at the Oroville dam, as you can see lots of tiny human figures at various places onsite.
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[onawah]

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[Sequoia]

Thanks Onawah and, hey guys, I'm not some fear-monger conspiracy crazy but I mentioned the 8 to 9 dams earlier bc on the YT link below from 3/3/17 that I quickly scanned through, I know it's conflicting with info others have posted here regarding the number of dams above Oroville but at the end regardless, the up-to-capasity dams, melting snow, failing structures and years of drought, is really not a matter of if but when…even if it was few years, still this is a huge issue until taken care of and that people should be aware of, imo.

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[onawah]

The official story ends at about 38 minutes in and the rest takes you through the math as to what may be in store.

Thanks Onawah and, hey guys, I'm not some fear-monger conspiracy crazy but I mentioned the 8 to 9 dams earlier bc on the YT link below from 3/3/17 that I quickly scanned through, I know it's conflicting with info others have posted here regarding the number of dams above Oroville but at the end regardless, the up-to-capasity dams, melting snow, failing structures and years of drought, is really not a matter of if but when…even if it was few years, still this is a huge issue until taken care of and that people should be aware of, imo.

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[ThePythonicCow]

There are only 2 above Oroville to my knowledge. Shasta and Trinity. Don Pedro, below Oroville was a problem back in February, but is OK for now.
My understanding is that there are several smaller dams that feed into the Oroville dam, and that there are just two large dams north of Oroville that separately feed into the Central Valley.

So the question is whether "above" means (1) to the north of but separate (just 2 of these), or (2) upstream of and feeding into (several of these.)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

According to this guy, the power plant was shut down yesterday (Saturday) at 10:00. Don't know if it was restarted.

Reminder: Depending on where in California, this year's snow pack is anywhere from 157% to 187% of normal, with more rain/snow coming. Usually snow pack melts gradually, but if a warm storm comes through and it begins to melt quickly, well, with dams, rivers and levees already stressed it could be a Major problem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTB1E847gCk

In the meantime the large city of San Jose, CA (which is on the S end of the San Francisco Bay) and areas South of San Jose are flooding rapidly from local problems. Many evacuation taking place. River levees are breaking with more rain predicted.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tfV7Gxatyg

[Foxie Loxie]

I do hope you are in a safe place, Ba-ba-Ra! It is almost inconceivable what is likely to happen...the photo of the bus beside the snow pack allows one to see realistically the huge amount of snow that will be melting! :facepalm: I can't help but wonder which "group" has the agenda of wiping Calif. off the map? It is all so sad.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Thanks, so far I am in a really safe area. As to who, many possibilities. Keep in mind California is the 6th largest economy in the World - I repeat . . in the WORLD. If it goes under, imagine the impact on the US economy.

The domino effects continue: Here's another problem due to the Oroville Dam

Oroville: Riverbanks Start to Collapse After Dam Spillway Shut Off


https://www.youtube.com/user/DAHBOO77

[onawah]

Today's update

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[Rocky_Shorz]

How many are wondering if anyone at Oroville Dam project has a brain?

They need to open the main spillway again when it reaches 860, they have had it shut off for days, they could have brought in fibreglass over ground supports until they have time for a full repair. If you turn back on without it the channel will be blocked again, powerplant under water.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op5NE9Ug1NU

[onawah]

Oroville Dam Sunday 5 March Update "Things Change"
blancolirio
Published on Mar 5, 2017
A minor change in tactics leads to another delicate balancing act
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Some interesting comments on that youtube page

[Rocky_Shorz]

Finally they are putting attention into the main spillway...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xa_Q1R7mGs

If they don't have it fixed before water level reaches 860, everything they have done this last week will be erased...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

He talks (giving good facts) in the beginning, but if you just want to see progress on dam, go to 2:00


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xa_Q1R7mGs

Interesting fact that I don't believe anyone has mentioned yet is that a few people have found some gold that has been churned up.

[onawah]

This may not seem relevant at first glance, until you consider that a large percentage of produce in the US is shipped from California, where the infrastructure is in danger of failing bigtime.
Chicago is setting a precedent that should be followed nationwide.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/a-miracle-in-chicago/

A miracle in Chicago
by Jon Rappoport
A miracle in Chicago
March 7, 2017

It turns out that gang killings and drugs are not the only markers of life and death in Chicago. Far from it.

If you consult the Chicago Urban Agriculture Directory, you find a staggering list of city farms and gardens where clean nutritious food is grown:

Urban Farms and Gardens in Chicago and Nearby
• 62nd & Dorchester Community Garden
• Academy for Global Citizenship School Garden
• African Heritage Garden
• Altgeld Sawyer Corner Farm
• Angelic Organics Learning Center Urban Initiative (Eat to Live Englewood Learning Garden, Urban Incubator Farm, etc)
• Bay Bay’s Peace Garden (Loud Grade Produce Squad)
• The Bayless Production Garden (Shores Garden Consulting)
• Benton House Backyard Botany
• Big Delicious Planet Kitchen Garden
• Bronzeville Community Garden
• Chicago Honey Co-Op
• Chicago Lights Urban Farm
• Chicago Patchwork Farms
• City Farm
• DePaul Urban Garden
• Dunne Technology Academy Mini Farm
• East Garfield Block Club Garden
• Eden Place Nature Center
• The Edible Gardens (Lincoln Park Zoo)
• El Paseo Community Garden
• Farmed Here
• Frankie Machine Community Garden (Wicker Park)
• Gardeneers School Gardens
• Gingko Organic Gardens
• Global Garden Refugee Training Farm
• GreenTown Waukegan
• Growing Power Chicago Farms
• Growing Home Farms
• KAM Isaiah Israel’s Farm and Gardens
• Kilbourn Park Organic Greenhouse and Community Garden
• Loyola University
• Metropolitan Farms
• The Millenium Neighborhood Garden
• Moah’s Ark
• The Mycelia Project
• Natalie G. Heineman Smart Love Preschool Garden
• Peterson Garden Project
• The Plant
• Pleasant Farms
• preSERVE garden
• Purple Leaf Farms
• Rainbow Beach Victory Garden
• Roots & Rays
• Roseland Community Peace Garden
• Rosemarie Rochetta Wessies Rooftoop Garden (Loyola)
• The Ruby Garden
• South Chicago Art Center’s Artists’ Garden
• The Talking Farm
• Third Unitarian Church Community Garden
• Timuel D. Black Edible Arts Garden
• Uncommon Ground Organic Roof Top Farm
• Urban Canopy
• Weiss Rooftop Farm (Loud Grade Produce Squad)
• Windy City Harvest (Chicago Botanic Garden)
• Xochiquetzal Peace Garden

And this is only a partial list. The Chicago Urban Agriculture Mapping Project has a much larger count, which includes private/residential gardens. Their total, which is constantly updated? 888.

I have written several articles about the needed expansion of urban farms across America, particularly in poverty-stricken communities, and how, with that expansion, there is a critical-mass point at which the basis of all life in those areas would be transformed in a positive revolutionary way.

Of course, not only do citizens participate in growing their own clean nutritious food and eating it, but they can sell the excess to markets and launch profit-making enterprises. True value for value.

Such an expansion would do more for those cities and communities, from coast to coast, than all the federal programs of the past 50 years, since Lyndon Johnson announced the US government War on Poverty. Trillions of dollars have been spent, with no true accounting. Who knows how much has been diverted and stolen. But the upshot is, conditions are far worse now, in many areas, than they were 50 years ago.

But in Chicago (and other cities), people have taken matters into their own hands. They’ve launched farms and gardens and they’ve endured and grown.

I’m trying to remember the last time Chicago Mayor Emanuel gave a major extended speech about local urban farms, their vital value, and the need for their expansion. Oh, never. That’s right.

And when did Barack Hope & Change Obama, George W No Child Left Behind Bush, Bill I Feel your Pain Clinton, and the other George Kinder and Gentler Bush deliver such a speech?

But to repeat, in Chicago (and other cities), people have taken matters into their own hands. They’ve launched farms and gardens, and they’ve endured and grown.

They haven’t waited. They haven’t waited for the politicians to catch up. Smart move.

It’s absurd to consider how, with an infinitesimal fraction of the funds poured out in the War on Poverty, every city in America could, by now, be flourishing in so many ways—through urban farms. Greater vitality, greater health, greater participation, greater profits, a greater citizen-stake in safe neighborhoods…

And those federal seed monies could have come in the form of long-term loans—all of which would have been paid back by now.

If Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon want to take a few minutes out of their schedule, they might consider a new idea people have known about since the industrial revolution…since, in fact, there were cities: growing food in urban areas—and what it could do to make America great again.

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gJRfUXFwNk

Look at the line they are Laying upper main spillway... 1:11 in

Please tell me they have an answer to stretch over the gaping hole... it only needs to carry 15k, let it fill to 870 to complete it if you have to...

Open power plant for 14 and 10-15 on the spillway.

Haul in sections from wet and wild, just open the left, right is ready to crumble. Mount a triangle on the right 50-100' up to push water away from failing section.

Bless the Dam workers, we are back to critical stage with monster river storms rolling in...

As soon as this solar storm started, this storm grew huge...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/wv-l.jpg

[onawah]

Oroville Update 7 March 2017 "Where's the Rebar?"
blancolirio
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The Oroville dam youtube videos are a mess. Many of them are just getting new dates added, while the videos themselves can be up to a week or two old.
blancolirio is the most trustworthy one I've found so far.
His attitude is upbeat, and so may miss a lot of the concerns that others are focused on, but at least he doesn't sensationalize.

*California SINKING* | Aquifers Shrinking | *BIG Quake* in the making?
MrMBB333
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[onawah]

Massive earthquake to hit the Pacific Northwest along the Cascadia fault line
Published on Mar 7, 2017
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Dr. Michio Kaku concurs, and it is way overdue...

He tweeted this today:

(@michiokaku) · Twitter
https://twitter.com/michiokaku
I will be on @CBS THIS MORNING at 7:36 AM EST today about the new earthquake threat to LA. Is it overdue?
11 hours ago · Twitter

Something that huge would be bound to affect the whole coast of CA. but of course, the San Andreas is overdue too.
Southern California overdue for major earthquake, study says
CBS This Morning
Published on Mar 8, 2017

Geologists are out with a startling warning that Southern California is overdue for a major and possibly catastrophic earthquake. A new study says it's expected to hit along the San Andreas Fault north of Los Angeles. It could have a magnitude of 7.5 or higher. CBS News science and futurist contributor Michio Kaku, a physics professor at the City University of New York, joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss the threat..
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There is no way to know exactly when but the science of prediction has come a long way. What this means for the already failing infrastructure of CA. is scary.

Here is Dutchsinse's latest update:
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Ummm,

Just popped over to see updates and noticed inflow has been lower than outflow...

But water levels are still rising, doesn't show rainfall...

Last night I watched a video where it said they are giving it 5 more feet before opening the spillway, for more time for repairs. 865'

Current update says the are going to continue repairing main spillway through Fri, regardless of water levels. Right now I see less harm from the overflow than from main spillway...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ffl-FVUAA9sA7.jpg:large

[avid]

https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-spillway-failure.t8381/page-36
They are expecting snow melt to raise levels, not just rain.
Superb pictures of progress on this site, clearance of rubble, shotcrete broken end of spillway.

[Rocky_Shorz]

They haven't figured in underground spring water, as the snow pack grows, the melt is pouring into cracks, it is pumping up from inside the lake, from what I can figure, we are looking at~ 5000 fps that needs to be added to their info chart.

When we reach 0 rise, we will know spring input.

Add 5K to input to get actual, inches of rain needs translation to fps if you want to get exact info, using hourly rain figures instead of yearly totals is what is important.

Call your Congress woman or one of Arnie's Girlymen and tell her we want California Best Dam Beer in the World to pay for our dam and waterworks projects.

I'd buy a Dam Sparkling Snowflake water to help California if I was thirsty!!!

[onawah]

Today's update
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[onawah]

This one is a couple of days old, but includes a lot of info and seems quite realistic to me, with some expert input from Paul Preston of Agenda 21 net radio https://paulprestona21r.podbean.com/2017/03/
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An update for today
3/10/17
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[Hervé]

Oroville Dam: Flows through power plant increased to maximum discharge rate (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/10/oroville-dam-flows-through-power-plant-increased-to-maximum-discharge-rate/)

By Chico Enterprise-Record Staff Reports (http://www.mercurynews.com/author/chico-enterprise-record-staff-reports/) | Mercury News
PUBLISHED: March 10, 2017 at 8:07 am |
UPDATED: March 10, 2017 at 8:46 am


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/damrepairs1.jpg?w=555
Cement mason Daniel Ogier Wednesday repairs depressions in the concrete main spillway of Oroville Dam. (Florence Low — California Department of Water Resources)


Oroville – Water flows through the Hyatt Powerplant under Oroville Dam were increased to the plant’s maximum discharge rate Thursday, giving water officials another avenue to get water out of the reservoir outside of the damaged main spillway.

Bill Croyle, acting director of the state Department of Water Resources, said releases through the hydroelectric plant would reach about 13,000 cubic-feet per second by Thursday evening. “That’s huge for us,” Croyle said, noting the importance of having “another dial” on the reservoir to manage the inflows into the lake and monitor work done at the debris channel below the damaged main spillway.

Inflow to the lake was about 15,000 cfs at 4 p.m. Thursday, and it had been fluctuating between 3,500 and 8,000 cfs earlier in the day, according to DWR’s website.


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From left, Gregorio Roman, Alvaro Gonzalez and Ramiro Gonzalez repair cracks Wednesday just above the broken edge of the main concrete spillway of Oroville Dam. (Florence Low — California Department of Water Resources)


The lake level was stabilizing at around 860 feet, 41 feet below the lip of the emergency spillway.



Croyle said officials anticipate using the main spillway again around March 17, when the lake level reaches about 865 feet. He said the goal is to delay to use of the main spillway as long as possible to help with the ongoing removal of debris below that chute.

He stressed that if officials need to use the main spillway earlier, they will. Once in use again, flows down the main spillway will be set at a rate of about 40,000 cfs. That would be in addition to the 13,000 cfs flowing through the power plant.

That total of 53,000 cfs moving down the river would be “about one-third of the capacity of the flood control system downstream, so these are kind of typical flows that we would see with this kind of a wet season,” Croyle said.

As warmer weather arrives, snow melt will reach the reservoir. Croyle said the sooner that happens, the sooner that water can be released, clearing the way for construction on a temporary or permanent solution for the damaged main spillway at the dam.

Exactly what that solution will look like remained unknown, though Croyle noted that conversations with contractors have already begun.

“Part of the question — is it going to be temporary, is it going to be permanent, how fast can we build it, do we have all the resources within the region or within the state or, frankly, the West Coast, to make sure that we can get this done,” he said. “What we need to get done, which is have an operational spillway before the next wet season.”

Giving a rough estimate, Croyle said construction could start between late April and early June.

At the base of the main spillway, work is continuing 24 hours a day to remove the debris from the Diversion Pool there. According to DWR, 715,000 cubic-yards of material has been removed from the pile that built up there when the spillway began to break up Feb. 7. The pile was initially estimated to include 1.7 million cubic-yards.

Contractors are also continuing to fortify the hillside below the emergency spillway weir, where erosion Feb. 12 triggered evacuation orders impacting about 180,000 people.

Crews are also working to reinforce the broken bottom lip of the main spillway.

Road repairs on Canyon Drive are also underway. That road in east Oroville was badly damaged by heavy traffic responding to the spillway emergency.

Related:


Amount of water flowing out of Lake Oroville close to amount flowing in (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/09/amount-of-water-flowing-out-of-lake-oroville-close-to-amount-flowing-in/)
Oroville Dam: DWR says repair cost estimated at $4.7 million per day (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/09/oroville-dam-dwr-says-repair-cost-estimated-at-4-7-million-per-day/)
Oroville Dam: Water release increased, second powerplant turbine online (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/08/oroville-dam-feather-river-releases-increased-second-powerplant-turbine-online/)
Oroville Dam: Water flowing through powerhouse again (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/07/oroville-dam-water-flowing-through-powerhouse-again/)
Flooding of Northern California waterways bring fresh prospects, adventures in gold mining (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/flooding-of-northern-california-waterways-bring-fresh-prospects-adventures-in-gold-mining/)

[onawah]

This post could fit in a lot of places, but I'm putting it here because it's an interview with Bix Weir who has been talking a lot about Oroville, and so it's partially about the weather, but also about Fukushima (Clif says that the reactors have slid into the ocean, which was news to me), bitcoin, silver, gold, and much more, from 2 days ago
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I found this about Fukushima:
https://www.truthorfiction.com/japans-damaged-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-reactor-falling-ocean/
which says:

Japan’s Damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor Falling into Ocean-Mostly Fiction!
Summary of eRumor:

Scientists in Japan have declared a state of emergency as a badly damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor began falling into the ocean.

The Truth:

There’s no truth to reports that Japan has declared a state of emergency as the badly damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor began sliding into the ocean.

But those false rumors were sparked by factual news reports about high radiation levels detected at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor in February 2017. Still, there weren’t any credible reports about Fukushima reactors falling into the ocean, or Japanese scientists on the verge of declaring a state of emergency.

First, some background. An international nuclear incident unfolded in 2011 when an earthquake and subsequent tsunami disabled the power supply and cooling capabilities of Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactors, leading to high levels of radioactive discharge into the ocean over a six-day period. Recent research suggests Fukushima radiation continued to seep into the Pacific Ocean over the five years that followed the nuclear incident.

Then, in February 2017, the Japanese publication Sankei News reported that the highest radiation levels since the 2011 nuclear incident had been detected at the Fukushima reactor, and that scientists believed that it was the result of a two-meter whole in metal grating beneath a pressure vessel in the reactor’s primary containment vessel.


That report was picked up by RT, which accurately reported the story under the headline, “Record High Fatal Radiation Levels, Hole in Reactor Detected at Crippled Fukushima Nuclear Facility.”

And from there, untrustworthy news sites combined those credible reports with claims that the Fukushima nuclear reactor was falling into the ocean — which aren’t true. One such story appeared at the website YourNewsWire.com, which filed a report under the headline, “Japan Declare Crisis As Fukushima Reactor Begins Falling Into Ocean.”

A quick read of that report, however, reveals that the copy does not match the headline. There’s nothing in the story to support claims that the Fukushima nuclear was, in fact, falling into the ocean, or that Japanese officials were on the verge of declaring a state of emergency.

And, while the situation at the Fukushima nuclear reactor has been alarming since 2011 — the Japanese Times outlined a far more measured response to the elevated radiation levels there involving use of a robot to better assess damage to the grate — and making no mention of the reactor sliding into the ocean or an imminent state of emergency:

The discovery spells difficulty of removing the fuel debris to decommission at the plant. The government and Tepco hope to locate the fuel and start removing it in 2021.

In the coming weeks, the utility plans to deploy a remote-controlled robot to check conditions inside the containment vessel, but the utility is likely to have to change its plan.

For one thing, it will have to reconsider the route the robot takes into the interior because of the hole in the grating.

Also, given the extraordinary level of radiation, the robot would only be able to operate for less than two hours before it is destroyed.

That is because it is designed to withstand exposure of up to 1,000 sieverts. Based on the calculation of 73 sieverts per hour, the robot could run for more than 10 hours, but 530 sieverts per hour means it would be rendered inoperable in less than two hours.

Tepco has been probing reactor 2’s containment vessel since last week.

On Monday, it found a black mass deposited on the grating directly under the pressure vessel. The images, captured using a camera attached to a telescopic arm the same day, showed part of the grating was missing. Further analysis found the 2-meter hole in an area beyond the missing section on the structure.

If the deposits are confirmed to be melted fuel, it would be the first time the utility has found any of it at the three reactors that suffered core meltdowns.

So, while it’s true that the highest radiation levels were detected at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Reactor in February 2017, reports that the Fukushima reactor is sliding into the ocean are false. That’s why we’re calling this one “mostly fiction.”
... though the truth about Fukushima is always slow to surface...

Mods are welcome to move this elsewhere if they wish.

[onawah]

11 Areas Below Oroville Dam Under Evacuation Warnings
(update: this could be fake news--I've not found any confirmation so far on the net)
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Published on Mar 10, 2017
Areas in the Central Valley of CA. are sinking up to 2 feet per year.

Also see:
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/03/10/11-areas-near-oroville-dam-under-evacuation-warnings/

Just as Breitbart News predicted a little over a week ago, temperatures rising to the high 70s are causing an early spring snowmelt that is quickly filling Oroville Lake, causing the local sheriff to issue evacuation warnings for 11 areas downstream of the troubled Oroville Dam.
Oroville Dam’s unstable and partially destroyed spillway has been closed since February 27 as dredging contractors at the bottom of the dam desperately try to carve a 1,500-feet-long by 150-feet-wide and 30-feet-deep emergency trench in the diversion pond to clear the Edward Hyatt power plant’s water intake pipes.

Although heavy equipment operators have completed about 40 percent of the trench and opened two intake pipes that are now discharging 13,000 cubic feet of water per second, the water level rose in the last two days by 22 feet to within six feet of forcing an emergency reopening of the dam’s main spillway.

Sheriff-Coroner Kory L. Honea has declared evacuation warnings for 11 zones in Butte County, including areas south of Lincoln Blvd for the towns of Oroville and Thermalito; all low-lying areas around the Feather River that include Gridley, Biggs, Yuba City and Loma Rica; and anywhere south of Butte County along the Feather River towards Sacramento.

Due to the risk of a potential partial spillway collapse at America’s tallest dam on February 13, Sheriff Honea was declared a crisis and ordered a mandatory one-hour evacuation for 188,000 residents downstream from the dam. The Sheriff has promised that any future evacuation order would give residents 12 to 24 hours to flee.

The National Weather Service is predicting that temperatures will jump from a high of 60 degrees earlier this week to an expected high of 78 degrees over the weekend, about 14 degrees higher than the average for this time of year. Then by mid-week, the Weather Service predicts a two-days of warm “Pineapple Express” monsoon rains will hit Oroville and the local mountains.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has rated over 90 percent of California as experiencing an “Extreme Water Year.” Although Merced is the only river that is currently above flood stage, numerous points and contributories along the Sacramento and San Joaquin are already in the warning stage.

The California Department of Water Resources estimates that “snow water equivalents” for the California snowpack for this time of year are a near record 190 percent for the Central Sierras; June 157 percent for the Northern Sierras; and 186 for the Southern Sierras.

Normally, the highpoint for California’s 24 major reservoirs and lakes is during the peak snowmelt in late May to early June. The water levels in all but three are currently rated as “extreme above” their historic averages for this time of year. The combination of a snowmelt and storms will create river flooding and could unleash flood waters going over the dams.

[onawah]

I'm not sure if the info in the post just above is correct. I've been searching the net to find confirmation, but have not found any so far, so I think it's fake.
This is the page for the Butte County Sheriff, where evacuation news is posted:
https://www.buttecounty.net/sheriffcoroner/Home.aspx
It does say:
Evacuation Warning in place for the following areas:
Oroville and Thermalito, the areas south of Lincoln Blvd on the west side of Lincoln to Ophir Road.

All low-lying areas around the Feather River, which includes Gridley, Biggs, Yuba City, Loma Rica, and anywhere south of Butte County along the River.

Preparing for Evacuation - Stay Prepared
But it doesn't appear that any emergency is currently being reported.

[Rocky_Shorz]

A 100 percent of normal isn't the same as capacity, here is a live feed that is current.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SgHW282q8g

Mark my words, if they turn main spillway up to 40k it will reverse the river so powerplant will once again be shut down...

Take dynamite and blow the edge of the lower main spillway down to the big rockto keep flow moving forward instead of the left backing up the river.

You need to rebuild a mountain with rock bags so you can stop the flow above the huge rock on the left

[onawah]

Oroville 10 March "What's Under The Oroville Dam?"
Update from Juan Brown (on youtube he is blancolirio)
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Published on Mar 11, 2017
Part 1 of a detailed description of the Hyatt Power Plant and the River Valve Outlet System at the Oroville Dam.

https://www.patreon.com/user?u=5295000

Also one from tattoott1009 a cohort of Dutchsinse, who has been keeping a close eye on water levels in the reservoirs, the weather radar, HAARP rings, etc.
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[Hervé]

When potholes are neglected and come under water-cannon sand blasting fire...


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/damwrong1.jpg?w=620
Photo taken Jan. 27 shows some type of damage or discoloration on the main Oroville Dam spillway at the spot where the structure began to break up on Feb. 7. Water had begun to flow down the spillway Jan. 13, but the amount was cut back on Jan. 20 before being increased again on Jan. 30.


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/damwrong3.jpg?w=620
On Jan. 13 when water began to flow down the Oroville Dam spillway, an unusual wave or bubble pattern was visible at the location that became much more visible after spillway flows were cut back a week later.


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/damwrong2.jpg?w=620
Feb. 8 photo shows the hole that opened the previous day in the main Oroville Dam spillway, starting at the location highlighted above.

[Rocky_Shorz]

This one has a good shot of the lower spillway I want to blow up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXahsiBzo-A

[onawah]

Interesting update today from tatoott1009 showing HAARP weather modification.
He provides evidence indicating it's likely that perhaps because there has been so much focus on Oroville, the elite are modifying the weather so that Oroville will not be impacted.
Wouldn't that be nice? :nod:
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[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q0g43iI9kA

Another good video...

[onawah]

New Drone Video | Spillway to resume 40-50k cfs Soon
Lake Oroville Dam Updates | 3-12-17
Disclosure Media
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Published on Mar 12, 2017
DWR expects to resume using the flood control spillway to discharge 40,000 cfs to 50,000 cfs, with operations dependent upon weather, lake inflow and other factors.

The flood control spillway was last used February 27, and work has been underway to reinforce and protect it from further erosion when it is used again.
Debris removal will continue this week. Approximately 990,000 cubic yards of sediment and debris below the Flood Control Spillway have been removed by crews working 24 hours per day.
With inflows ranging from approximately 13,000 cfs and 19,000 cfs, Lake Oroville is at 861.3 feet elevation.

Another update from Juan Brown (blancolirio) with number data, technical description of how the dam and the repair job works
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[onawah]

Today's update from Disclosure Media features the latest video from DWR (Dept of Water Resources)
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[joeecho]

So far they are dodging a bullet it the shape of excessive rain, warm higher elevations and/or significant earthquakes in the region have been the saving grace. An army of ants can create amazing structures and repair them if damage occurs but they are no match for

http://extension.msstate.edu/sites/default/files/topic-images/fire-ants/control-drymound.jpg

Will fortunate events hold out? Stay tuned.

[Hervé]

Oroville Dam spillway flows to resume this week (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/14/oroville-dam-spillway-flows-to-resume-this-week/)

By Chico Enterprise-Record Staff Reports (http://www.mercurynews.com/author/chico-enterprise-record-staff-reports/) | Mercury News
PUBLISHED: March 14, 2017 at 4:00 am |
UPDATED: March 14, 2017 at 5:09 am


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/damwork2.jpg?w=620
Workers are seen on the slope Saturday of the Oroville Dam spillway in Oroville.

Oroville – The Department of Water Resources is planning to resume flows this week through Oroville Dam’s damaged main spillway, and warns that Feather River flows will increase to 40,000-50,000 cubic feet per second.

Flows Monday through the stretch of the Feather River past downtown Oroville were 5,200 cfs, DWR said, with another 8,500 cfs entering the river at the Afterbay outlet downstream from town.

In a press release, DWR said the spillway releases will resume “on or around March 17.”

Lake Oroville is rising slowly as runoff and snowmelt is flowing into the lake faster than water can be released through the Hyatt Powerhouse under the dam.

The flow though the five working units of the powerhouse is currently 12,900 cfs, according to the DWR release. Inflow has been fluctuating between about 15,000 cfs and 20,000 cfs, according to the DWR website.

As of 4 p.m. Monday, the lake was at 861.47 feet, up a half-foot in the last 24 hours. There are 2.96 million acre-feet of water in storage, an increase of 7,000 acre-feet in 24 hours

The spillway was shut down Feb. 27, after the lake had been drawn down more than 50 feet from the lip of the emergency spillway following the erosion scare there Feb. 12.

Fear then that the emergency spillway weir might collapse prompted evacuation orders for more than 180,000 people in Oroville and downstream.

Since the main spillway was shut down, approximately 1,075,000 cubic-yards of debris has been removed from the pile that built up at the base of the main spillway after it broke up starting Feb. 7, according to DWR. The pile was initially estimated to contain 1.7 million cubic-yards.

That work will continue 24 hours a day while the spillway is shut down, according to DWR.


Related Articles


Editorial: Oroville dam costs surge like the damaged spillway (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/13/editorial-taxpayers-deserve-transparency-on-oroville-expenses/)
In Oroville, signs of progress as crews work round the clock at spillway (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/12/in-oroville-signs-of-progress-at-spillway/)
Oroville Dam: Spillway work continues, water increased at Thermalito Afterbay outlet (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/12/oroville-dam-spillway-work-continues-water-increased-at-thermalito-afterbay-outlet/)
Oroville Dam: Photos taken weeks before spillway broke show something wrong (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/11/oroville-dam-photos-taken-weeks-before-spillway-broke-show-something-wrong/)
Oroville Dam: Flows through power plant increased to maximum discharge rate (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/10/oroville-dam-flows-through-power-plant-increased-to-maximum-discharge-rate/)

[onawah]

Snow Melt/Reservoir Conditions | Increase River Flows | Lake Oroville Dam Updates 3-14-17
Disclosure Media
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[onawah]

Oroville Dam UPDATE 3/14/2017 8:30 PM
tatoott1009
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[onawah]

Today's update from tatoott1009
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and the latest from blancolirio
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Take a narrated flyover of the Oroville Dam complex before they reopen the main spillway after clearing most of the debris field.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tomorrow at 11 they are turning the spillway on to 50K, sounds like they are running that level for a week.

Voluntary evacuations have started.

[onawah]

The spillway was opened again today, at least partway...
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Official Press Briefing
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The moment it really opens up
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[Rocky_Shorz]

It's up to 50,000 and power plant is shut off, gee I wonder who saw that coming...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-O485hpgU

[onawah]

Here's a switch...tattoott1009 shows on weather maps why he thinks the weather is being manipulated AWAY from Oroville dam.
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Whistles innocently...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQe0J5NLLT4

[onawah]

Looks like more rain coming
Update from tonight from Tattoott1009
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[onawah]

Incoming "Sky River"-California 1-3 inches due in the next 2 days
Snow melt likely

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[onawah]

A view of the dam we don't usually see
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[onawah]

Structural problems with the dam--only approved for "interim use".
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[Foxie Loxie]

I keep wondering about when the snow melt begins! Until I saw the picture of a greyhound bus beside the mountain of snow it hadn't really "clicked" as to how MUCH snow had fallen! :facepalm:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Inflow has tripled to 45k/s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb0Ggeo3rdo

[onawah]

2 minutes, 20 seconds in, Juan Brown starts with an informative look at the numbers and projections.
Oroville 21 March Update "Rockbolts and Repairs"
blancolirio
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[onawah]

Report Reiterates Need For Oroville Dam Spillway Fix By Next Rainy Season
CBS Sacramento Mar 22, 2017
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[onawah]

Temporary Fix For Oroville Dam Spillway Could Involve Making Water Jump Gap
CBS Sacramento Mar 23, 2017
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Some amazing footage of spillways from various dams here
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Documentary 3 Gorges World's Biggest Dam Ever Built
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Mankind has got hold of a lot of tigers' tails! I wonder if climate change was factored into any of the constructions, and if upgrading the current infrastructures successfully will prove to be possible. Much depends on this!

[Rocky_Shorz]

Doesn't"t the rock at 48 seconds in look just like the 1.75M cubic yards pulled out of the river?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c12-_TJE2yE

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6W_YJDUkDdoPWEDL9JLXlQh8ErMK3M aB646404_p2GLysLDQ_

Enough to start the state bank of California...

Asbestos, everyone stay away... 😉

[onawah]

Oroville 24 March Update ..."The Plan"
blancolirio

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[onawah]

Interview with Juan Browne ( blancolirio about) Lake Oroville Dam | 3-24-17
Disclosure Media
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[onawah]

The next stage Oroville 27 March Update "A Day in the Life"
blancolirio
DWR just turned the main spillway off as the Reservoir Elevation reaches 836' (Mean Sea Level), the minimum level of the Main Spillway.

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[Hervé]

Published on Mar 29, 2017
New drone video shows the cleanup that continues in the Diversion Pool | Lake Oroville Dam Update 3-29-17


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blancolirio (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCphqjYZxxzjNbONVmY-0J7Q) Published on Mar 29, 2017
Take a preliminary look at how the spillway fared after the most recent cycle.


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[onawah]

Update from yesterday: tattoott1009
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And today's update from blancolirio
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[ThePythonicCow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJUFAD28Kf0
Cool update from blancolirio on the fire under I-85 freeway in Atlanta - he got a clear shot from existing Google Earth images of a large store of reels of PVC pipe being stored under the freeway, right where the fire burned hot and brought down one section of the freeway passing overhead. PVC pipe is quite flammable. It was not a great idea to store lots of it underneath an important freeway.

Here's a screen shot, that I just took from blancolirio's Youtube video, showing the orange colored reels of PVC pipe that were underneath that section of I85, as recorded for Google Earth sometime before the fire of yesterday.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Atlanta_I85_PVC_Fire_Screenshot.jpg

[onawah]

The alternative disaster of too much water downstream could be not enough, due to stringent control.
(Be advised: narration via computerized voice)
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[onawah]

Trump Approves $274 million for Oroville Dam |
Oroville Dam Spillway Latest Update 4/2/17
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Inflows at 130 at midnight last night...

Does it take meltwater that long to reach the dam from the Sierra's?

[Rocky_Shorz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJUFAD28Kf0
Cool update from blancolirio on the fire under I-85 freeway in Atlanta - he got a clear shot from existing Google Earth images of a large store of reels of PVC pipe being stored under the freeway, right where the fire burned hot and brought down one section of the freeway passing overhead. PVC pipe is quite flammable. It was not a great idea to store lots of it underneath an important freeway.

Here's a screen shot, that I just took from blancolirio's Youtube video, showing the orange colored reels of PVC pipe that were underneath that section of I85, as recorded for Google Earth sometime before the fire of yesterday.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Atlanta_I85_PVC_Fire_Screenshot.jpg


Now it's a conspiracy, a trial lawyer requested documents on the investigation into the collapse, and was gunned down in the street 30 minutes later...

It went from a no big deal to false flag letter agency involvement in 3 bullets

http://www.cbs46.com/story/35054684/woman-shot-in-road-in-midtown-atlanta

[ThePythonicCow]

Now it's a conspiracy, a trial lawyer requested documents on the investigation into the collapse, and was gunned down in the street 30 minutes later...

It went from a no big deal to false flag letter agency involvement in 3 bullets
Interesting :).

Jim Stone, on his JimStone.is (http://82.221.129.208/baaasepagem6.html) website, also sees evidence of a conspiracy. He shows CNN reports of an explosion that caused the collapse, some 50 or so minutes after the initial fire was reported. Admittedly, Jim could probably find evidence that my neighbor's gold fish is plotting to kill me. But his screen capture of this report from CNN of an explosion is rather damning.

Here's what Jim Stone has to say of this:

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NO WAY THE INTERSTATE COLLAPSE HAPPENED AS STATED

I CAN PROVE THE INTERSTATE WAS DESTROYED WITH EXPLOSIVES IN PERFECTLY REFERENCED AND UNDENIABLE TERMS!

I can prove, without question, that the fire was set to provide a fake precedent to blow the interstate out with pre-planted explosives. There is no way out of this, the federally published fire codes and ratings undeniably prove it could not have happened any other way!

http://thepythoniccow.us/Atlanta_freeway_collapse_Jim_Stone_Screenshot_2017-04-04.jpg
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[joeecho]

We have a morph from a dam to a bridge here.

That damn-bridge!

The thing conspiracy brings to the table is that things may very well not be as they initially appear to be. Those that control the way information gets out to the masses also controls what 'happened' in any given circumstance. Many that digest main stream media are thinking "what happened"? MSM 'tells' them and they go "oh, that is what happened" and then they move on to the next thing. Alt. media is great, it says: "wait a minute, use your head, that might not be what happened at all."

[Ewan]

Now it's a conspiracy, a trial lawyer requested documents on the investigation into the collapse, and was gunned down in the street 30 minutes later...

It went from a no big deal to false flag letter agency involvement in 3 bullets
Interesting :).

Jim Stone, on his JimStone.is (http://82.221.129.208/baaasepagem6.html) website, also sees evidence of a conspiracy. He shows CNN reports of an explosion that caused the collapse, some 50 or so minutes after the initial fire was reported. Admittedly, Jim could probably find evidence that my neighbor's gold fish is plotting to kill me. But his screen capture of this report from CNN of an explosion is rather damning.

Here's what Jim Stone has to say of this:

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NO WAY THE INTERSTATE COLLAPSE HAPPENED AS STATED

I CAN PROVE THE INTERSTATE WAS DESTROYED WITH EXPLOSIVES IN PERFECTLY REFERENCED AND UNDENIABLE TERMS!

I can prove, without question, that the fire was set to provide a fake precedent to blow the interstate out with pre-planted explosives. There is no way out of this, the federally published fire codes and ratings undeniably prove it could not have happened any other way!

http://thepythoniccow.us/Atlanta_freeway_collapse_Jim_Stone_Screenshot_2017-04-04.jpg
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Jim's not wrong that it couldn't happen with just a fire, anyone who has worked in construction would probably agree. As soon as I saw the report I knew it was at least inaccurate.

Unless it is morphic resonance, ever since 9/11 concrete has 'learnt' it is supposed to collapse in fire. (tongue firmly in cheek)

Why blow it up though, who benefits?

[onawah]

Oroville Dam UPDATE 4/4/2017 9:20 PM Weather THE RAIN RETURNS IN ABOUT 18 HOURS
Some interesting observations and predictions from tattoott1009 re Oroville and some good examples he points out of HAARP manifesting on the maps and modifying the weather
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Blancolirio's update from yesterday
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[onawah]

Oroville Dam UPDATE 4/6/2017 11:20 PM Weather THE RAIN RETURNS
Tattoo1009's update from yesterday
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[onawah]

Oroville 6 April Update The 'New' Spillway Design Revealed!
blancolirio's update from yesterday and today
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[onawah]

Oroville Dam UPDATE 4/7/2017 6:39 PM Weather, RAIN, New Drone Footage
tatoott1009
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[onawah]

OROVILLE DAM UPDATE - Latest DWR Images A/B Comparison 04/08/2017
Oroville Dam LIVE NEWS
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[onawah]

Oroville Dam UPDATE 4/9/2017 1:00 PM Weather NO RAIN
Tattoott1009's update for today:
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Oroville Dam Spillway Fixes Outlined With Hopes To Be Done Next Year
(A 2 year project to be done in 9 month)
CBS Sacramento

Published on Apr 7, 2017
The plan is to have the spillway operational by November, with final repairs finished in 2018.
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[onawah]

Oroville 9 April High Country Snowpack Update
blancolirio
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Some interesting discussion in the comments section on the youtube page

[Hervé]

Current work:


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/oroville-0412-11.jpg?w=620


http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/oroville-0412-13.jpg?w=620
A crew uses shotcrete mortar spray just below the damaged Lake Oroville flood control spillway in Butte County, California on April 10, 2017. (Dale Kolke/California Department of Water Resources)

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OROVILLE, CA - AUGUST 19, 2014: In this before-and-after composite image, (TOP PHOTO)

Low water levels are visible in the Bidwell Marina at Lake Oroville on August 19, 2014 in Oroville, California. As the severe drought in California continues for a third straight year, water levels in the State's lakes and reservoirs is reaching historic lows. Lake Oroville is currently at 32 percent of its total 3,537,577 acre feet. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)



OROVILLE, CA - APRIL 11, 2017: (BOTTOM PHOTO)
A view of Bidwell Marina at Lake Oroville on April 11, 2017 in Oroville, California. After record rainfall and snow in the mountains, much of California's landscape has turned from brown to green and reservoirs across the state are near capacity. California Gov. Jerry Brown signed an executive order Friday to lift the State's drought emergency in all but four counties. The drought emergency had been in place since 2014. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)



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OROVILLE, CA - AUGUST 19, 2014: In this before-and-after composite image, (TOP PHOTO)
The Enterprise Bridge passes over a section of Lake Oroville that is nearly dry on August 19, 2014 in Oroville, California. As the severe drought in California continues for a third straight year, water levels in the State's lakes and reservoirs is reaching historic lows. Lake Oroville is currently at 32 percent of its total 3,537,577 acre feet. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)



OROVILLE, CA - APRIL 11, 2017: (BOTTOM PHOTO)
The Enterprise Bridge passes over a section of Lake Oroville on April aa, 2017 in Oroville, California. After record rainfall and snow in the mountains, much of California's landscape has turned from brown to green and reservoirs across the state are near capacity. California Gov. Jerry Brown signed an executive order Friday to lift the State's drought emergency in all but four counties. The drought emergency had been in place since 2014. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

[Hervé]

Oroville main spillway repair plan (http://www.fresnobee.com/news/state/article143200489.html)

Multiple designs remain under consideration because of uncertainty about how spring weather will affect the construction timeline.


http://media.sacbee.com/static/newsroom/graphicsembeds/2017/oroville_spillway.svg
Source: Calif. Dept. of Water Resources - NATHANIEL LEVINE nlevine@sacbee.com

[onawah]

Some very dramatic footage of the work in progress starting at 17 minutes 35 seconds into tattoott1009's update from this morning
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[onawah]

Oroville Dam Update/Water has Reached Release Levels
BPEarthWatch
Published on Apr 12, 2017
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[onawah]

Oroville Spillway Press Briefing
4-13-2017
Disclosure Media
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[onawah]

Weather Tornado Warning over the dam
Dutchsinse 4/13/2017
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More Rain Forecast
UPDATE 4/14/2017 10:47 AM 10 DAY Weather FORECAST
tatoott1009
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Release of water down the spillway was supposed to resume today, but no reports as yet online I've been able to find about how the spillway is holding up after recent repairs.

[onawah]

The spillway is operating again
Oroville Dam UPDATE 4/15/2017 7:00am
tatoott1009
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[onawah]

Oroville 13 April DWR Press Briefing EXPLAINED
blancolirio
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And
Footage of the spillway opening again
4/14/2017 8:15 PM New Drone Fly Over
tatoott1009
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Oroville 15 April Narrated Spillway Re-Opening DWR Footage
blancolirio
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[Foxie Loxie]

I truly appreciate all the enlightening videos, onawah! :clapping: The bit about Beal AFB was quite intriguing! :idea:

[onawah]

You might find more of Dutchsinse's info of interest as well:
https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse
https://dutchsinse.com/
https://www.facebook.com/dutchsinseofficial/
He and tattoott1009 are working along similar lines when it comes to weather manipulation.

I truly appreciate all the enlightening videos, onawah! :clapping: The bit about Beal AFB was quite intriguing! :idea:

[onawah]

Oroville Dam: More flow, more questions being asked
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/14/oroville-dam-more-flow-more-questions-being-asked/
By HEATHER HACKING, CHICO ENTERPRISE-RECORD |
PUBLISHED: April 14, 2017 at 5:06 am

Oroville – Many questions remain unanswered about the status and plans for the damaged Oroville Dam spillways. However a lot of work is underway, Department of Water Resources officials said during a press conference Thursday in Oroville.

Even so, the water will have to be released down the damaged main spillway starting at 9 a.m. Friday to make room for water flowing into Lake Oroville from the current storm and more on the way, and later for snowmelt.

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As of 7 p.m. Thursday, the lake was at 864.4 feet above sea level, which is up three feet in 24 hours. The top of the problematic emergency spillway is 901 feet.
The spillway flows will gradually be ramped up to 35,000 cubic feet per second, and flows will be shut down through the Hyatt Powerhouse under the dam. The spillway flows will continue for 10 to 14 days, according to acting DWR Director Bill Croyle.

Meanwhile, the DWR plans to choose a contractor this weekend to repair the spillway, even though the reconstruction plans have not yet been completed. Also, the crew hauling away debris near the spillway will continue into the near future. And to track down the cause of the spillway failure, a “forensic team” arrived on scene Thursday to begin investigating.

MORE STORMS

As of Thursday, the 2016-2017 water year officially broke the record for wettest year for the Northern Sierra eight-station index. The last year that was nearly as wet was 1982-1983. For this year, so far, 89.7 inches of precipitation has fall in the watershed, and more storms are on the way, Croyle said. This places the year at 207 percent of average for this time of year.

The 10-day forecast for the Feather River basin calls for two more storms, as well as more snow.

“I think I have said before, we have enough snow and enough water,” Croyle said.

REBUILDING SPILLWAY

As soon as this weekend a contractor will be hired to do repair work to the Oroville spillway, even though the plan for the work has not yet been completed. The firm that is hired will start work Monday.

DWR’s chief engineer Jeanne Kuttel said even without actual design plans, the company hired will have plenty to do. Work will begin on a detailed schedule. Equipment can begin to be moved into the area. Work areas can be assessed, security details can be made and haul routes mapped. Concrete and other raw materials can also be moved into the area, she explained.

Croyle said the quick pace is important. Normally a project of this size would take years just for the planning. “We need hours and days for approval vs. weeks, months and years,” he said. Rather than have paperwork shuffle back and forth, staff from agencies will meet together, Croyle said.

HYATT POWERPLANT

A complicated system of power poles connects Lake Oroville to other areas of the state. When the spillway failed, several of those power connections were relocated. To finish the job, the “physical tie-in to the power plant,” is scheduled to be rebuilt once water stops flowing through the turbines at Hyatt Powerhouse next week.

After the work is done, water will be increased through the plant to 6,000 cfs, which is half the capacity of the plant, he explained.

April 22, one of the penstocks bringing water to the power plant will be shut down for four to five weeks to “tune up the system for a much longer run this summer, at full capacity,” Croyle explained.

That will include regular maintenance and preparations to replace turbine one, which has been out of service a couple of years.

Tracking down problems

Thursday was the first day at the dam for a team of “forensic investigators” who will determine the cause of the failure of the spillway at Lake Oroville, and determine whether failure could happen again.

Feb. 13, the Federal Emergency Regulatory Commission sent a letter to DWR calling for an independent review of what went wrong.

DWR engineer Kuttel explained that FERC requires that the team members are independent of the state water agency. To help assemble, the team, DWR reached out to the United States Society of Dams, www.ussdams.org and the Association of State Dam Safety Officials, www.damsafety.org, Kuttel said.

The team did inspections of the site Thursday and plans to head to Sacramento Friday to look at records on the dam, she said.

Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea attended a meeting with the investigation team after the press conference. He said he was impressed by the credentials of those in the group, and has confidence they will work hard to find answers.

COMMUNITY OUTREACH

This week Croyle announced the first of several planned community outreach meetings, which will be held at 5 p.m. April 27 in Gridley at the Butte County Fairgrounds. The format will be “open house,” where people can talk with DWR and ask questions.

Other meetings are planned in Oroville, Marysville, Yuba City, Chico and Sacramento, but dates have not yet been set.

SECRET DOCUMENTS

In the past week, state Sen. Jim Nielsen and Assemblyman James Gallagher have called for the end to secrecy regarding documents related to the dam and spillway problems. At the press conference Thursday, Croyle said DWR is going through those documents with plans to release items that are not necessary to keep confidential.

In response, state Sen. Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, and Assemblyman James Gallagher, R-Yuba City, issued a joint statement that they were “encouraged” by Croyle’s comments.

“We heard loud and clear the frustrations from our constituents with regards to the need for transparency in what occurred at Oroville and the planned repairs. It is understandable that some highly sensitive, verifiable information should be withheld for legitimate national security purposes — but blocking entire reports and requests for information is unacceptable.”

[onawah]

Look Out Below- Oroville Dam's Spring Run Off Problem Just Started-- Paul Preston
The Common Sense Show Apr 16, 2017
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[Rocky_Shorz]

Finally a detailed descriptidescription of what happened


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zqai2FodQg

[fourty-two]

Experts on catastrophic engineering failures have used state inspection reports, photographs and historical design specifications to piece together an autopsy detailing why the spillway at the country’s tallest dam failed

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article145304464.html#storylink=cpy

[onawah]

:bump: Bumping that last post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-Dam...--California-Spring-2017-&p=1147214&viewfull=1#post1147214
and the one just before it:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95955-Oroville-Dam...--California-Spring-2017-&p=1147103&viewfull=1#post1147103
.... as both contain LOTS of good, expert info about the dam and what's gone wrong.
No fear porn here, but very worrying, nonetheless.

[onawah]

Oroville Dam spillway Yearly inspection bill proposed for all dams
4/22/17
(I'm sure we will be hearing more about this!)
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4/20/17 Oroville Dam Update : Disaster expert says spillway emergency ‘developed and propagated by DWR’

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[onawah]

2 day NO RAIN Forecast --Unless frequency changes it
4/21/2017 5:20 PM
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[ThePythonicCow]

Random thought for the day - the Oroville dam spillway could use some vortex generators, on its spillway, just where the relatively horizontal portion starts to slope more sharply downhill (which would be just above where the spillway failed.) This could keep the water flowing more smoothly down the more steeply sloped portion, and reduce the destructive turbulence that might have contributed to the failure.

Here's a race car aerodynamics engineer explaining how vortex generators work for applications he's familiar with:
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If someone reading this has any idea who better to pass this idea along to, then go for it. Thanks!

[onawah]

I posted the link to your post on Blancolirio's and Tattoott1009's youtube pages, with a request that they let us know what they think.
I will report back if they post anything on their youtube pages in reply.
I think Juan Brown (Blancolirio) is connected enough with dam authorities that it would get someone's attention if he passes the info along.
Or possibly he will know who to contact, at least.
Thanks Paul.

Random thought for the day - the Oroville dam spillway could use some vortex generators, on its spillway, just where the relatively horizontal portion starts to slope more sharply downhill (which would be just above where the spillway failed.) This could keep the water flowing more smoothly down the more steeply sloped portion, and reduce the destructive turbulence that might have contributed to the failure.

Here's a race car aerodynamics engineer explaining how vortex generators work for applications he's familiar with:
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If someone reading this has any idea who better to pass this idea along to, then go for it. Thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

They have vortex generators on the spillway - at the bottom, but none higher up, where the slope bends downhill:

http://thepythoniccow.us/damaged_oroville_dam_2.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

I posted the link to your post on Blancolirio's and Tattoott1009's youtube pages, with a request that they let us know what they think.
Excellent - thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

I posted the link to your post on Blancolirio's ...
Actually, Blancolirio would be an excellent person to consider this idea. Besides race cars and spillways (both as I have noted above), another common use for vortex generators is on airplane wings, which is likely something that Blancolirio would understand easily, as he's a long time professional pilot.

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXIDYRfefTk Tanks into Oroville?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Woo hoo, Dynamite!!!

Not what I would have blown


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWQRJrruSYA