The Mysterious Ica Stones: Can They Be Explained?

[Skywizard]

ICA STONES

In the early 1930s, a cultural anthropologist found hundreds of andesite stones containing depictions of prehistoric dinosaurs. The burial stones were estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old.

The mysterious stones feature images, which depict open-heart surgeries, brain transplants, and some sexually graphic content. The most surprising of the etchings featured representations of a stegosaurus, brontosaurus, and other prehistoric dinosaurs.



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ARE THESE INTRICATE ROCKS, OR AN UNDISCOVERED
SPECIES OF MAN?



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Each of the Ica stone depicts a different scene, which leaves room for a lot of interpretation. The mystery shrouding these artifacts prompted scientists to unravel the scenes behind each narrative.

While there are no definitive answers, some researchers believe that ancient technology belonged to an extraterrestrial race. This unknown race referred to as the Gliptolihic Man, is believed to have coexisted with dinosaurs, then genetically engineered into modern man.



Source: http://rightbrainnews.com/18-items-found-on-earth-cannot-be-explained/14/


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[uzn]

Makes one wonder how they knew how Dinosaurs looked like ;)
Take for Example the Waldemar Julsrud Collection. Tons of Dinosaurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkXCzFx6dAw

[Did You See Them]

"Makes one wonder how they knew how Dinosaurs looked like"

Thing is their bones have been lying around for all this time for all to see - so as rare as they seem to be to find NOW - they might have been a lot more prevalent a thousand years ago. I think their remains as they were found gave rise to many mythical creatures we hear about.
First pic shows a Vegi-saur eating a Meat-asaur !! - so they never actually got to see one alive in the flesh and instead based their artworks on the imagined look of the bones they found.

[Sunny-side-up]

If those Dinosaur images where produced based on found bones/skeletons etc, well they, who every they were had very well developed idea of anatomical reconstruction of flesh/muscles :)

[Isserley]

Perhaps we are wrong if we literally interpret all these items ..
We could think St George actually killed the dragon at the time of the Roman Empire if it is his historical depiction?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/St_George_and_the_Dragon_Verona_ms_1853_26r.jpg/274px-St_George_and_the_Dragon_Verona_ms_1853_26r.jpg

http://www.catholic.org/saints/ff_images/58.jpg

[Ewan]

The Wikipedia entry on the Ica Stones is actually quite amusing. It begins by telling you they are a hoax..


The Ica stones are a collection of andesite stones found in Ica Province, Peru that bear a variety of diagrams. Some of them supposedly have depictions of dinosaurs, and what is alleged to be advanced technology. These are recognised as modern curiosities or hoaxes.

From the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea collected and popularized the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

In the first two paragraphs, and that's it, most people have already left the page content in the knowledge that they are fakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones

However if you keep reading you find..


..As a result of weathering, they have developed a thin patina. It consists of a weathering rind in which weathering has turned some of the feldspar into clay, resulting in a softer material, rated 3 to 4 on the Mohs scale of mineral hardness, which can be scratched.[1]

So apparently Basilio Uschuya did not need to bake the stones in cow dung as a patina forms naturally over time by weathering.

He recieves a second mention here..


Meanwhile, in 1966, Peruvian physician Javier Cabrera Darquea was presented with a stone that had a carved picture of a fish, which Cabrera believed to be of an extinct species.[7] Cabrera's father had begun a collection of similar stones in the 1930s, and based on his interest in Peruvian prehistory, Cabrera began collecting more. He initially purchased more than 300 from two brothers, Carlos and Pablo Soldi, who also collected pre-Incan artifacts, who claimed they had unsuccessfully attempted to interest archaeologists in them. Cabrera later found another source of the stones, a farmer named Basilio Uschuya, who sold him thousands more.

1,000's of stones. He must have been a busy little engraver, so much so that he didn't actually have time for any farming. And I assume he knew he could sell these stones to some gullible American that's why he must have spent years carving them all, after baking them in cow dung of course.
We also see that Cabrera's father began collecting them in the 1930's. Before tourists? I would think mostly yes. So why were these people making stones, to sell? Or were they perhaps actually finding them.

I do believe there could be quite a few trying to make them now if they proved to be a source of income, but back in 1930?

Erich von Daniken gets a mention..


In 1973, during an interview with Erich von Däniken, Uschuya stated he had faked the stones that he had sold.[3] In 1975 Uschuya and another farmer named Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana confirmed that they had forged the stones they gave to Cabrera by copying the images from comic books, text books and magazines.[2] Later, Uschuya recanted the forging story during an interview with a German journalist, saying that he had claimed they were a hoax to avoid imprisonment for selling archaeological artifacts. In 1977, during the BBC documentary Pathway to the Gods, Uschuya produced an Ica stone with a dentist's drill and claimed to have produced a fake patina by baking the stone in cow dung.[3] That same year, another BBC documentary was released with a skeptical analysis of Cabrera's stones, and the new-found attention to the phenomenon prompted Peruvian authorities to arrest Uschuya, as Peruvian law prohibits the sale of archaeological discoveries. Uschuya recanted his claim that he had found them and instead admitted they were hoaxes, saying "Making these stones is easier than farming the land." He engraved the stones using images in books and magazines as examples and knives, chisels and a dental drill.[9] He also said that he had not made all the stones. He was not punished, and continued to sell similar stones to tourists as trinkets.[3] The stones continued to be made and carved by other artists as forgeries of the original forgeries.[2]

One can see why he would claim it a hoax if he was arrested for selling archeological artifacts.

[Bill Ryan]

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I met someone here in Ecuador, well-acquainted with the Ica Stones (and who also knew Klaus Dona quite well), who told me unequivocally that some of the Ica stones were genuine, but many had been faked. Which ones were genuine, I wasn't told.





* Mod note: I edited the thread title to include the term 'Ica Stones', to make this topic easier for folks to search for... it's really very interesting.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Many thanks. I've always been fascinated with 'OOPArts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact)', and particularly with zoological and cryptozoological examples of them. They are signposts from history telling us that what we think about the past is wrong, or at least incomplete - that what we know from the geological record is merely what we've found (so far) in the geological record.

Or only that which hasn't been covered up.

Another example is the carvings of the amazing Angkor Wat in Cambodia. Here is a depiction of what strongly resembles a Stegosaurus.

http://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzL1AxMDMwMTQ0LmpwZyJdLFsicCIsInRodW1iIiwieDM5MD4iXSxbInAiLCJjb252 ZXJ0IiwiLXF1YWxpdHkgOTEgLWF1dG8tb3JpZW50Il1d/P1030144.jpg

The context is highly unusual here, because this temple is not some mysterious antediluvian relic, it is not technically ancient at all, but is dated to the 12th century. Personally I do not think it likely that the Stegosaur was roaming south-east Asia 900 years ago. It's more probable that the carving is an imagined reconstruction of a mythical animal form, one emblematic perhaps of tales from ancient ancestors. Or, it is based on the discovery of bones, long before Palaeontology was recognised as a science.

Whatever the case, this entire subject is fascinating!

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, uzn, for posting the Waldemar Julsrud collection; I had never heard of it! Pretty amazing! :highfive:

[uzn]

@Did You Se Them: Have fun explaining These finds ;)
http://dinosaurc14ages.com/Delk.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G7gTyn-fd7Y/UiYfumNdqhI/AAAAAAAAQyE/fxA0zSGnUek/s1600/130830-6.jpg
Source and Explanation:
http://dinosaurc14ages.com/footprints.htm

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/koweit-cave-art.png
Prehistoric Cave Art depicting humans hunting dinosaurs discovered in Kuwait. “The carbon dating analysis revealed that they seem to relate to the earliest period of development of this settlement …These prehistoric pictograms seem to illustrate dinosaurs being hunted by humans…This could mean that humans are actually to blame for their extermination. This is certainly a revolutionnary new perspective and it will certainly be hard for many historians and archeologists to accept.”

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YkGln-qSjzQ/UbH91gbw7bI/AAAAAAAAAXk/0a5ex8DvhPI/s1600/The+footprint+2013.JPG
Source:
http://honest-ab.blogspot.de/2013/06/oklahoma-texas-evolution-road-trip-part_7.html

http://www.clinicalgaitanalysis.com/art/dino.gif

https://iloveyoubutyouregoingtohell.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vonfangetudglenrosefootprints.jpg

https://www.allmystery.de/i/teba523e32_resized_human_and_dinosaur_tracks_togeth.jpg

[uzn]

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-stan-taylor.jpg

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-all-14.jpg

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-3b-bashed.jpg

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-3b-overlay-animation.gif

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor+5-no-foot.jpg

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor+5-foot.jpg

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor+3-dry.jpg
Source:
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm

http://christinprophecyblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dinos_footprints.jpg

[uzn]

Acambaro figurines
http://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Acambaro-figurine.jpg

http://www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mythical-looking-creatures.jpg
Source:
http://www.ancient-code.com/the-enigmatic-acambaro-figurines-evidence-that-humans-coexisted-with-dinosaurs/

http://arcturi.com/sitebuilder/images/riding-clay-255x195.jpg

[Ewan]

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor+5-foot.jpg



The plot deepens..

Just a little pareidolia to bring a smile?

https://i.imgsafe.org/3337413da7.jpg

[uzn]

https://i.imgsafe.org/3337413da7.jpg



Ancient Footsmellers ;)

[uzn]

An Indian pictograph found in the Havasupai Canyon in the Grand Canyon shows men hunting dinosaurs. In the early 1900's on the Doheny expedition into the Grand Canyon, Indian cave drawings were found which closely resembled a duck-billed dinosaur. Human + Dinosaur Fossils bones and primitive tools have been found in the same fossil layers in Texas and the Dakotas. Footprints of dinosaurs and humans coexist in Texas and New Mexico. Cave and cliff drawings in Utah and Colorado depict dinosaur species dating from 400 A.D to 1300 A.D
https://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Kquinn856/Dinosaur4.jpg

Tayos Cave, Ecuador
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008447-935b294560/Tayos%20con%20dino%20N2.JPG

Batman was seen in Maori Cave of New Zealand ;)
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200007961-9fbffa11ee/de%20los%20maoris%20de%20Nueva%20Zelanda%202.JPG

Gobekli Tepe, 11000 years of antiquity
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008711-556f35762c/de%20Gobekli%20Tepe,%20NG%2011000%20a%C3%B1os.JPG

Representation of dinosaurs attacking an elephant; found in excavations in the Golan Heights, currently occupied by Israel
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200007959-27e4e2a765/Dinosaurios,%20de%20excavaciones%20en%20los%20Altos%20del%20Gol%C3%A1n,%20Israel.JPG

Gold monsters of Costa Rica, Pre-Columbian
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008527-dc46fdd40e/Costa%20Rica%20gold%20monsters.JPG

Canaanite relief
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008085-42ad0443a8/relieve%20Canaanita.JPG

old gold weights that are passed from generation to generation; Ghana
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008167-28acd2aa2d/antiguas%20pesas%20de%20oro,%20Gana.JPG

[uzn]

Tiwanaku, Bolivia
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008082-b7924b88fa/de%20la%20regi%C3%B3n%20de%20Tiahuanaco.JPG

Ceramic of the Caddo Indians
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200008080-9882e99b3f/Cer%C3%A1mica%20de%20los%20indios%20Caddo.JPG

Yamon cave paintings; Utcubamba, Peru, 8000 years old
http://files.el-libertario.webnode.es/200007918-7acc57bc65/de%20Yam%C3%B3n,%20Per%C3%BA.JPG

Plesiosaur-like creature seen by the Kuku Yalanji tribes people, North Queensland, in Australia.
The painting depicts a creature with features remarkably similar to a Plesiosaur. It even shows an outline of the gastro-intestinal tract, indicating that these animals had been hunted and butchered."
https://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Kquinn856/duck-billeddinosaur.jpg

And last not least ;)
In the spring of 1977, off the coast of New Zealand, a Japanese fishing trawler accidentally netted a decaying carcass of a gigantic creature 30 feet long, with spines down its neck and back weighing 4,000 pounds. As it was hauled up on to the boat, the fishermen photographed the creature which resembled a type of an aquatic dinosaur known as a pleisosaur, a dinosaur species that supposedly went extinct 65 million years ago.
https://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s175/Kquinn856/1aa79625-0db1-420c-984c-194f388ed2aa_zps6fvozrel.jpg

some more Dinorelated stuff here:
http://manwithdinosaurs.blogspot.de/

[iceni tribe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ5SDQqYFXY&t=19s

Ive seen these for myself and they are a hoax.

more here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52514-In-Search-of-the-Ancient-Builders-in-Peru-and-Bolivia