Ashton Kutcher Leads Solutions To End Child Abuse & Human Trafficking

[Debra]

Very moving presentation from Ashton Kutcher who is spearheading with new technologies to root out child sex slavery and human trafficking.

Kutcher testifies to a Senate Foreign Relations Commitee hearing.

This could be groundbreaking. The dark stuff that most people look away from - on the dark web - he's just put it front and centre and provided a number of solutions to end it and with some very smart software that's already being utilised.

Thank you Ashton Kutcher.

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[wnlight]

I wonder how many of the Senators on that committee are complicit and must pretend to be desirous of actions to prevent these heinous crimes. I'll bet there were a lot of crocodile tears in that room. Hear's wishing that Kutcher prevails!

[jake gittes]

Considering the Corey Haim revelations about Hollywood's ugly secret, Kutcher may have been one of the many abused kids in the industry. This could be the closest he can come to exposing that particular sector of this disgusting ongoing crime. What, if anything, results from Pizzagate will go a long way in revealing whether DJT is the savior some are hoping/making him out to be or if he's business as usual, same as the old boss.

[etheric underground]

mmmm...Ashton is also funding lots of his celebrity dollars in to A.I technology ( eugenicist??)

[boutreality]

I see it as a continuation of powers that wants to end NWO and all its money making schemes (not just child sex trade, and saving the kids is enough of a reason) established in DoD; DoJ; and the State department.

It started during a meeting between the Join Chiefs of Staff and Bush II and today is responsible for appointing an AG they can work with.

There's no clear indicator that Trump wants all this, but he'll sure take the credit and why not, whether it's crocodile tears or no, signs (like protracted failure of EU) point to "this has to end" and the people actually getting what they see as a White Hat in office, willing or not, isn't a bad thing.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I'm not sure yet but I'm afraid Kutcher is controlled opposition here. Aside from the fact that he's straight out of Hollywood, Bill Clinton even commended him for what he's doing recently, and Bill Clinton would be a dumbass to commend Kutcher for digging into one of the Clinton Foundation's primary resources (ie human trafficking).

There is concern that the people involved in this at high levels are going to try to shirk blame by having disposable underlings take all the blame for everything. But when Jeffrey Epstein made compromising blackmail videos of Mr. Clinton that were subsequently recovered during the FBI's raid of Epstein's residence and then spread around within the intel agencies... Well that throws a wrench into things.


Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher have announced the launch of a new campaign to urge the Haitian government to ban child slavery.



Experts estimate that there are approximately 300,000 child slaves in Haiti under the “restavec” system. Restavec is derived from the French words “reste avec” which means “one who stays with” and the system is not illegal under Haitian law.



Restavec children can be bought and sold in Haiti. Some are sold by desperate parents who hope that they might have a better life when living in someone else’s home. This is almost never the case.



“As the people of Haiti re-envision the future of their country and begin to build back better, there is an enormous opportunity for us to partner together to help develop a more modern economy that uplifts all Haitians. Protecting the rights of children is important, as is strengthening their access to quality education and health services,” said President Bill Clinton. “The Haitians are committed to this, and I am glad Demi and Ashton are taking action and supporting this important issue.”


https://www.looktothestars.org/news/4098-demi-moore-and-ashton-kutcher-ban-child-slavery-in-haiti


Note also that they are not talking about child trafficking which is organized by corporate entities, but an informal system embedded into Haitian culture itself. There may be merit to this but it is not the place to look for the real abuse and trafficking. The Clinton Foundation facilitates all of that in Haiti and that's why it makes no damn sense for Bill Clinton to be supporting these two Hollywood clowns so much on this issue unless they posed no danger to exposing the Clinton Foundation.

That would be controlled opposition.

[Eram]

Yep,

As nice and sincere as the talk of Kutcher may be, all the red flags and alarm bells are there to suspect that this "Thorn" software is in the hands of all the wrong people and is meant to (Just like the PROMIS and Palantir software is used) keep high profile people safe, to peak into the networks and take them over and to act as a cover and front for the sick people in power on the globalist part of society.

Palantir is even one of the partners of the Thorn project. (https://www.wearethorn.org/about-our-fight-against-sexual-exploitation-of-children/)


Kutcher and some other Urban yuppies and Hollywood actors that are connected (on invitation by people like Clinton no doubt) then act as a social justice front, to give projects like these more legitimacy.

Kutcher is probably totally unaware of all this and thinks he is doing the right thing.

Just as Sean Penn thinks he is doing the right thing when he goes to Haiti and make toasts with champagne on the "Healthy hearts" foundation. Unaware of the fact that this is a front for organ harvesting and illegal hearts transplants.

The open source investigations that are going on at the moment unravel the veil that has been cloaking the secret networks of power fast at the moment.

Voat, reddit, George Webb, Pizzagatewiki... too many online investigations going on for these sick people to keep covering up imo. And at least, in the near future, more and more people will start seeing the real and detailed picture of the hidden structure of power. Sick and perverted as it may be.

[Debra]

I'm not sure yet but I'm afraid Kutcher is controlled opposition here. Aside from the fact that he's straight out of Hollywood, Bill Clinton even commended him for what he's doing recently, and Bill Clinton would be a dumbass to commend Kutcher for digging into one of the Clinton Foundation's primary resources (ie human trafficking).

Could be, could very well be. I am open to this too. Do you happen to have a source for that commendation by Clinton?


is concern that the people involved in this at high levels are going to try to shirk blame by having disposable underlings take all the blame for everything. But when Jeffrey Epstein made compromising blackmail videos of Mr. Clinton that were subsequently recovered during the FBI's raid of Epstein's residence and then spread around within the intel agencies... Well that throws a wrench into things.


Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher have announced the launch of a new campaign to urge the Haitian government to ban child slavery.



Experts estimate that there are approximately 300,000 child slaves in Haiti under the “restavec” system. Restavec is derived from the French words “reste avec” which means “one who stays with” and the system is not illegal under Haitian law.



Restavec children can be bought and sold in Haiti. Some are sold by desperate parents who hope that they might have a better life when living in someone else’s home. This is almost never the case.



“As the people of Haiti re-envision the future of their country and begin to build back better, there is an enormous opportunity for us to partner together to help develop a more modern economy that uplifts all Haitians. Protecting the rights of children is important, as is strengthening their access to quality education and health services,” said President Bill Clinton. “The Haitians are committed to this, and I am glad Demi and Ashton are taking action and supporting this important issue.”


https://www.looktothestars.org/news/4098-demi-moore-and-ashton-kutcher-ban-child-slavery-in-haiti

I think we should note that this article is from 2010 ... Kutcher has since moved on from that original charity to help birth THORN in 2012, reflecting its mission to use technology to protect children and deter predators. (https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/thorn)


Note also that they are not talking about child trafficking which is organized by corporate entities, but an informal system embedded into Haitian culture itself. There may be merit to this but it is not the place to look for the real abuse and trafficking. The Clinton Foundation facilitates all of that in Haiti and that's why it makes no damn sense for Bill Clinton to be supporting these two Hollywood clowns so much on this issue unless they posed no danger to exposing the Clinton Foundation.

That would be controlled opposition.

Actually, Kutcher's presentation does address corporate abuse related to child slavery. He makes a big effort to cover the whole gamut, including real abuse and trafficking. Regarding the links to Clinton, I think again that we need to keep in mind that the original DNA started by Kutcher with Demi Moore was over 6 years ago.

I remain as cautious in looking at this, because we don't know enough. But I sure as noticed how uncomfortable some of those committee members looked while Kutcher was laying it out. Which indicates that he could be a serious threat challenge.

And, judging him on that testimony, I don't think they were the words of a clown.

Here are other celebrities behind THORN (https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/thorn)

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[Eram]

Here are other celebrities behind THORN (https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/thorn)

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I think the very fact that Bill Clinton is deeply involved in this project says it all imo.

Bil Clinton who took more then 26 trips on Jeffrey Epstein's plane to the child sex island (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html). Many of which he refused to take secret service agents on board.

[Debra]

Here are other celebrities behind THORN (https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/thorn)

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I think the very fact that Bill Clinton is deeply involved in this project says it all imo.

Bil Clinton who took more then 26 trips on Jeffrey Epstein's plane to the child sex island (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html). Many of which he refused to take secret service agents on board.

I'm trying locate evidence of who is connected with Thorn.

On Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization)), I found this:


History[edit]
DNA Foundation was founded in 2009, by film and television actors Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher. At that time, Moore was viewing an MSNBC documentary on human trafficking and sexual slavery of children in Cambodia. While later researching some of the issues that were presented in the film, she was inspired to act when she learned that child pornography and the sexual slavery of children were taking place not only in Cambodia, but in the United States as well.[1]

When DNA Foundation was established, the name of the organization represented the couple, along with their joint commitment to addressing human trafficking. On November 15, 2012, the name of the organization was changed following the dissolution of the founders' marriage.[2] As of 2012, they remain with the organization as co-founders.[3] The members of the board of directors of Thorn include Moore and Kutcher; as well as Ray Chambers, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Chambers) the United Nations Secretary-General's Special Envoy for Malaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary-General_of_the_United_Nations); and Jim Pitkow, co-founder of Attributor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimarc).[4]

Programming[edit]
Thorn works with a group of technology partners who serve the organization as members of the Technology Task Force. Board member Jim Pitkow serves as the Chair of the task force.[5] The goal of the program includes developing technological barriers and initiatives to ensure the safety of children online and deter sexual predators on the Internet. Various corporate members of the task force include Blekko, Facebook, Google, Irdeto, Microsoft, Mozilla, Palantir, Salesforce Foundation, Symantec, and Twitter.[6]

Following the organizational change in November 2012, Kutcher and Moore made the following statement regarding the overall focus on technology:

"For the past three years we have focused our work broadly on combating child sex trafficking. It has become crystal clear in our efforts that technology plays an increasingly large role in this crime and in the sexual exploitation of children overall. We believe that the technology-driven aspect of these crimes demands its own attention and investment."[2]

As of July 2013, Thorn is in talks with leading internet companies (Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Twitter and at least three others) to collaborate on creating a database of millions of child abuse images on the web.[7]

Corporate partners[edit]
Organizations that partner with Thorn in addressing child sex slavery include Polaris Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Project), Girls Educational and Mentoring Services (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Educational_and_Mentoring_Services), the Somaly Mam Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaly_Mam).[1]

Notable supporters[edit]
The following are notable individuals from the film, television, and sports industries that support the work and mission of Thorn.[8]

Simon Baker
Jessica Biel
Bradley Cooper
Drake
Jamie Foxx
Kaká
Stacy Keibler
John Legend
Eva Longoria
Ludacris
Jason Mraz
Sean Penn
Adrian Peterson
Zachary Quinto
David Spade
Ben Stiller
Justin Timberlake
Sofia Vergara


Edit to Add: Jim Pitkow, also a board member, is according to this source (https://www.crunchbase.com/person/jim-pitkow#/entity) ...
is a Director and Chair of the Technical Task Force at Thorn. Prior, he was a co-founder of Attributor (acq. Digimarc 2012), co-founder of Anchor Intelligence (acq. Comscore 2010), advised Facebook on their ad targeting systems (2006), CEO of Moreover Technologies (acq. Verisign 2005), co-founder of Outride (acq. Google 2001).

So, the prolific presence of the big data collectors of Google, Facebook etc., you can't ignore these connections, either and their connections to the agencies. Of course, Kutcher has been very involved with Silicon Valley a long time.

[Eram]

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Here are other celebrities behind THORN (https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/thorn)

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I'm trying locate evidence of who is connected with Thorn.



Yes, I'm searching too.
I initially thought that your link to the celebrities involved also showed Bill Clinton as a "top celebrity" connected to that project, since he is shown at the total right of that page as such, but it now appears to me that these are not celebrities that are especially connected to Thorn, but just top celebrities on the "the world of celebritie giving" in general.


In any case, Palantir as one of "Thorn's" partner is more then suspect imo and the whole profile of the operation reeks of the ones that are now being taken apart for the fronts that they are by people as George Webb.

[Debra]

In any case, Palantir as one of "Thorn's" partner is more then suspect imo and the whole profile of the operation reeks of the ones that are now being taken apart for the fronts that they are by people as George Webb.

OK ... I assume that you are referring to this claim about Palantir: The CIA-backed start-up that's taking over Palo Alto (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/the-cia-backed-start-up-thats-taking-over-palo-alto.html), Eram?

Interesting comments made about it's rapid growth from same source:


Everything about Palantir is unique. Founded in 2004 by a group of ex-Stanford students including Karp, Joe Lonsdale and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, it's the most valuable venture-backed start-up focused on selling to enterprises.

Inside Palantir

Palantir is notorious for its secrecy, and for good reason. Its software allows customers to make sense of massive amounts of sensitive data to enable fraud detection, data security, rapid health care delivery and catastrophe response.

Government agencies are big buyers of the technology. The FBI, CIA, Department of Defense and IRS have all been customers. Between 30 and 50 percent of Palantir's business is tied to the public sector, according to people familiar with its finances. In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture arm, was an early investor.

Annual revenue topped $1.5 billion in 2015, sources say, meaning Palantir is bigger than top publicly traded cloud software companies like Workday and ServiceNow. It has about 1,800 employees and is growing headcount 30 percent annually, said the sources, who asked not to be named because the numbers are private.

[Eram]

In any case, Palantir as one of "Thorn's" partner is more then suspect imo and the whole profile of the operation reeks of the ones that are now being taken apart for the fronts that they are by people as George Webb.

OK ... I assume that you are referring to this claim about Palantir: The CIA-backed start-up that's taking over Palo Alto (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/the-cia-backed-start-up-thats-taking-over-palo-alto.html), Eram?

Interesting comments made about it's rapid growth from same source:


Everything about Palantir is unique. Founded in 2004 by a group of ex-Stanford students including Karp, Joe Lonsdale and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, it's the most valuable venture-backed start-up focused on selling to enterprises.

Inside Palantir

Palantir is notorious for its secrecy, and for good reason. Its software allows customers to make sense of massive amounts of sensitive data to enable fraud detection, data security, rapid health care delivery and catastrophe response.

Government agencies are big buyers of the technology. The FBI, CIA, Department of Defense and IRS have all been customers. Between 30 and 50 percent of Palantir's business is tied to the public sector, according to people familiar with its finances. In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture arm, was an early investor.

Annual revenue topped $1.5 billion in 2015, sources say, meaning Palantir is bigger than top publicly traded cloud software companies like Workday and ServiceNow. It has about 1,800 employees and is growing headcount 30 percent annually, said the sources, who asked not to be named because the numbers are private.



Yes, that's the Palantir I'm talking about.

George Webb made a pretty solid case that software like this one and also PROMIS (I think that was used before Palantir) have back doors for special interest in the deep state to have control over and every institution and agency that buys and uses Palantir.
Through these back doors, they can for instance keep tabs on every discovery made with it. Find out the dirty players in different countries and connect with them to take over their game (join or die tactics).

I'm scrolling through several george Webb youtubes to find one where he goes in deeper into the Palantir software, but he already made so many youtubes.
Difficult to find.

This one though at least paints a picture as to what I'm taling about in general... Sean Penn, happy hearts foundation, organ harvesting etc.

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[Cidersomerset]

Good presentation by Ashton Kutcher and Kudos to him, there are many
strands to this not least in Washington and other power centres around
the world and is a blackmail tool for the elites and does trickle down to the
slums and middle class suburbs and Trafficking feeds into this....

Some strong claims you maybe aware of some of it but is hopefull if true
and they are able to do it....

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Published on 16 Feb 2017
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Trump's ongoing war against the pedophile elite in Washington.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Some commentary on Kutcher's body language and the fact that he's speaking basically on behalf of John McCain:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVRJ0UuyHMo

[Debra]

Some commentary on Kutcher's body language and the fact that he's speaking basically on behalf of John McCain:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVRJ0UuyHMo

What do you think of this commentary, A Voice From The Mountains? What does your body and voice reading intuition have to say?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I'm just an amateur when it comes to that but I figure he's a career actor, so he knows how to act. The biggest thing I take away from Bombard's videos is that she points out the fact that when people are telling the truth, they put whole body movements into their speech to emphasize what they are saying. Everyone has different movements but they are clearly natural. She calls this "singing" of the body.

When people are being deceptive their core area is either very still, or else they make very mechanical and artificial movements, because they are thinking too hard about what they are saying and how they appear to others. People who are just telling the truth and think that this is sufficient (which it should be) don't have this concern.

What Bombard pointed out that struck me the most was that his core movements were demonstrating "portrayal," by which I interpret her to mean that he is acting, which probably comes rather naturally to a career actor. I have no idea what he does or doesn't know but I mean what is this guy famous for? That 70s Show and "Dude Where's My Car?" I think he's a tool.

[TargeT]

What does your body and voice reading intuition have to say?

That we were seeing a sales pitch to big customers, I've seen similar before with software and hardware... there's some extremely smooth salesmen with some crazy angles at the 6-7 figure sales corporate level.

[RunningDeer]

I have no idea what he does or doesn't know but I mean what is this guy famous for? That 70s Show and "Dude Where's My Car?" I think he's a tool.

A did you know post...

Ashton Kutcher: IQ 160 (https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Ashton-Kutcher-has-an-IQ-of-160)



Christopher Ashton Kutcher was born on February 7, 1978 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, to Diane (Finnegan), who was employed at Procter & Gamble, and Larry Kutcher, a factory worker. He has a fraternal twin brother, Michael, and a sister, Tausha. He is of Czech (father) and Irish, German, and Czech (mother) descent. He grew up in rural Homestead, Iowa, graduating from Clear Creek-Amana High School in Tiffin, Iowa. In 1997, Kutcher was a biochemical engineering student at the University of Iowa and was discovered by a local talent scout.

Ashton Kutcher may have played the role of a dumb boy toy on That 70’s Show, but reportedly has an IQ of 160.  Kutcher also had scholarships to attend MIT but lost them after getting into trouble with authorities.

"The sexiest thing in the entire world is being really smart," Kutcher said

From Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/ashton-kutcher-steve-jobs-speech-2013-8)

Quote from Ashton Kutcher on "Being Sexy”




… "The sexiest thing in the entire world is being really smart. And being thoughtful and being generous. Everything else is crap. I promise you. It's just crap that people try to sell to you to make you feel like less. So don't buy it. Be smart. Be thoughtful and be generous."

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Does that mean he really does know what he's getting into with Senator McCain then?

[RunningDeer]

Does that mean he really does know what he's getting into with Senator McCain then?

I’m inclined to think his heart is in the right place. Saving people is his objective. He's smart enough to know when people are using him. Is he aware enough to listen to inner knowing? It's hard to say.

As for Senator McCain and the rest, I just don’t know. I've become so cynical that it clouds my judgement.

[Debra]

Does that mean he really does know what he's getting into with Senator McCain then?

I’m inclined to think his heart is in the right place. Saving people is his objective. He's smart enough to know when people are using him. Is he aware enough to listen to inner knowing? It's hard to say.

As for Senator McCain and the rest, I just don’t know. I've become so cynical that it clouds my judgement.

First to @A Voice from the Mountains .... hey, thanks for putting together an answer here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96021-Ashton-Kutcher-Leads-Solutions-To-End-Child-Abuse-Human-Trafficking) regarding Bombard's body analysis of Kutcher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVRJ0UuyHMo And I don't think you are an amateur :) Far from it. You have an astute understanding of what Bombard does. However, her analysis is through the lens of her own agenda ... and by making the assumption that Kutcher is 'just an actor' reading lines that have been scripted for him, implying that he is just a dumb actor - I think is a very narrow context to be reading from. Is he - just an actor? Well, no .. as Running Deer has provided, there is more to Kutcher.

In fact, he has been a prolific developer and investor of web technologies since 2000 - over 16 years. He is an entrepreneur and a savvy and socially driven one at that. I have dug up this article from Fast Company .. it gives an interesting insight into Kutcher's growth in this field. mr-social-ashton-kutcher-plans-be-next-new-media-mogul (https://www.fastcompany.com/1460625/mr-social-ashton-kutcher-plans-be-next-new-media-mogul)

@TargeT I think is spot on also, this is a business presentation, and he knows exactly what he is doing.

@Running Deer :star: I totally get you, as I am reserving my full trust too ... but we wanted action to stop this disease and I am staying open and welcoming any public stand by a profile figure because that also will rally others to look more deeply into this darkness. My hope is that this is part of the domino affect that is going to bring this right up and clean it away.

I guess I am also tired of actors being political (for reasons that I don't agree with of course) and tools, you bet. But, not all actors are dumb, either. I've spent years working with actors and I personally don't know too many who are dumb tools. Far far from it. Many I know are just as passionate and intellectually engaged about issues as anyone on the planet. And some have been seriously intelligent in other disciplines. If it wasn't for the Hollywood star, Hedy Lamar, who invented the concept of WIFI, most of us wouldn't be engaging so freely on the internet.

But back to topic: Who benefits from this?

[Innocent Warrior]

An example of real pain from real experience. It's ugly, it's nasty, it's painful and boy can you feel it and I doubt you'd need to be an empath to do so.

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Regarding Kutcher asking for money - $750,000 per Two And A Half Men episode, and that's just that gig - if Kutcher was serious he'd be kicking arse right now and, IMO, he should be starting with his own backyard - Hollywood.

[Debra]

An example of real pain from real experience. It's ugly, it's nasty, it's painful and boy can you feel it and I doubt you'd need to be an empath to do so.

Absofreakinglutely .. and it needs to be shared again and again and again ... btw was this part of the reality show, The Two Coreys? Was it actually aired at the time?

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Kutcher asking for money - $750,000 per Two And A Half Men episode, and that's just that gig - if Kutcher was serious he'd be kicking arse right now and, IMO, he should be starting with his own backyard - Hollywood.

He might well be, you know Innocent Warrior, we just don't know.

It goes on everywhere.

As for the money, has he not already invested and continues to invest in this project? Anyway, it should be coming out of government coffers - and there needs to be a watchdog set up to make sure that it does do exactly what it is being set up to do. That part of the deal is not clear enough for me.

And more corporate entities could be paying for this too.

[Innocent Warrior]

Absofreakinglutely .. and it needs to be shared again and again and again ... btw was this part of the reality show, The Two Coreys? Was it actually aired at the time?

Hi Debra :waving:

I'm not sure, I think so. I never watched any of it until after Haim died, I watched a few episodes on YouTube to see how Haim was going leading up to his death, it was heartbreaking, totally heartbreaking.

You could be right, Kutcher may do good, I hope he does, however, I remain unimpressed by his efforts. He's an entrepreneur and he's pitching technology for a company he's chairman for and he spoke about his research, from the head and not the heart, IMO. And now, because he's famous he gets lauded as leading solutions to end child abuse and human trafficking and it's not even the most efficient and cost effective and most obvious solution.

The solution is for the justice system to do their job. Of the stories I've seen about Corey Haim, I'm yet to see any on official investigations into his claims, there are numerous other examples I could say the same about. For myself personally, I reported the abuse I endured and was told that it was likely that nothing would be done about it because of the cost of extradition, by a man in a very high position who made his boredom patently clear as he coldly sighed and kept looking at his watch as I ripped my soul apart recounting some of the abuse. A couple of years later (I think, roughly), after hearing nothing back, I called the other state and asked why they never did anything. The answer was that it was never even reported, there was no record at all of my report and they assured me that there's no way they would have done nothing about such a severe case of abuse.

Society doesn't need a pretty faced entrepreneur to wake up to the continuing abuse of children, it needs to listen to the survivors/victims and put pressure on the people who's job it is to deal with this problem, the people their tax dollars pays for.

So, fancy technology to help proioritise their workload or they can simply follow up on reports by the victims - I vote the latter.

[Mike]

Wow Rach that was gutting. Reading that knocked the wind out of me. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Very gutsy of you to share that. Thank you.

I think Kutcher was both sincere *and* acting a little bit. Thats just my feeling. It was like he was just a little too conscious that he might be doing something heroic and sort of played the part as a result...

...I recall marlon brando doing a bit of that when he took the stand during his son Christian's murder trial. Best performance he ever gave most likely...

I think we all do this sometimes. You can emotionally embellish too. It doesnt necessarily mean youre not sincere.

.. It's easy to find reasons to by cynical. Especially when we've programmed ourselves to be so suspicious all the time. And what choice do we have? The world has dictated this. As a strength this suspicion might keep us alive. As a weakness it might make being alive cold and miserable. Its not always easy to know when to ease that inclination towards suspicion and when to enforce it. It's an art. I wont pretend to have mastered it....

Only Kutcher knows how sincere he is. Me, i'd rather trust in people more often than not and be wrong a large percentage of the time then stay overly suspicious and be right most of the time..but never have the chance to see my trust rewarded. Privileged people like Kutcher can't win - if he does nothing he's ridiculed for being a soulless, unfeeling millionaire; if he jumps into the fray he's often resented as being phony or affected.... and encouraged to "stick with his day job".

At least he's trying. If what he's doing is ultimately effective, I dont care if he cashes in on it. if his motivation was solely monetary, he just as easily could have used his cyber talents for something else.

[Flash]

Does that mean he really does know what he's getting into with Senator McCain then?

I’m inclined to think his heart is in the right place. Saving people is his objective. He's smart enough to know when people are using him. Is he aware enough to listen to inner knowing? It's hard to say.

As for Senator McCain and the rest, I just don’t know. I've become so cynical that it clouds my judgement.

First to @A Voice from the Mountains .... hey, thanks for putting together an answer here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96021-Ashton-Kutcher-Leads-Solutions-To-End-Child-Abuse-Human-Trafficking) regarding Bombard's body analysis of Kutcher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVRJ0UuyHMo And I don't think you are an amateur :) Far from it. You have an astute understanding of what Bombard does. However, her analysis is through the lens of her own agenda ... and by making the assumption that Kutcher is 'just an actor' reading lines that have been scripted for him, implying that he is just a dumb actor - I think is a very narrow context to be reading from. Is he - just an actor? Well, no .. as Running Deer has provided, there is more to Kutcher.

In fact, he has been a prolific developer and investor of web technologies since 2000 - over 16 years. He is an entrepreneur and a savvy and socially driven one at that. I have dug up this article from Fast Company .. it gives an interesting insight into Kutcher's growth in this field. mr-social-ashton-kutcher-plans-be-next-new-media-mogul (https://www.fastcompany.com/1460625/mr-social-ashton-kutcher-plans-be-next-new-media-mogul)

@TargeT I think is spot on also, this is a business presentation, and he knows exactly what he is doing.

@Running Deer :star: I totally get you, as I am reserving my full trust too ... but we wanted action to stop this disease and I am staying open and welcoming any public stand by a profile figure because that also will rally others to look more deeply into this darkness. My hope is that this is part of the domino affect that is going to bring this right up and clean it away.

I guess I am also tired of actors being political (for reasons that I don't agree with of course) and tools, you bet. But, not all actors are dumb, either. I've spent years working with actors and I personally don't know too many who are dumb tools. Far far from it. Many I know are just as passionate and intellectually engaged about issues as anyone on the planet. And some have been seriously intelligent in other disciplines. If it wasn't for the Hollywood star, Hedy Lamar, who invented the concept of WIFI, most of us wouldn't be engaging so freely on the internet.

But back to topic: Who benefits from this?

bombard's body language analysis is never that good in my views, and I do think anybody who has thoroughly studied body analysis with real expert would think the same. That being said, Kutcher is definitely doing a business presentation, to get money (and i cannot believe he said anything good about McCain who must be one of the worst crooked mind around). However this does not mean Kutcher is not sincere about the children, he may be sincere.

[Innocent Warrior]

Wow Rach that was gutting. Reading that knocked the wind out of me. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Very gutsy of you to share that. Thank you.

Thanks, Mike. It's actually highly uncomfortable to do so, I doubt it matters at all but for the children (when they grow up), that's how it is for a lot of them, I have no doubt.


.. It's easy to find reasons to by cynical.

Guilty here, and totally unapologetic about it. I've never claimed to be perfect or right or whatever, just me, that's all I can offer.

[Debra]

Wow Rach that was gutting. Reading that knocked the wind out of me. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Very gutsy of you to share that. Thank you.

Thanks, Mike. It's actually highly uncomfortable to do so, I doubt it matters at all but for the children (when they grow up), that's how it is for a lot of them, I have no doubt.


.. It's easy to find reasons to by cynical.

Guilty here, and totally unapologetic about it. I've never claimed to be perfect or right or whatever, just me, that's all I can offer.


Innocent Warrior ❤

You are amazing - Your warrior spirit is very much felt on this forum and like Mike, I cannot begin to articulate how it saddens and angers me that you, like countless others, have been through so much and yet treated this way. I am listening. And I will continue to talk about this in any way I can to prevent it falling back under the carpet. I want this to be a part of conversation everywhere to the point that the grassroots shakes enough into taking responsibility.

Part of the problem, yes, is the legal system, especially the corrupt lawyers that either profit from protecting these monsters or indulge themselves. Even if there are cases that do get attention, the system just doesn't work fast enough, in my books.

[Innocent Warrior]

Innocent Warrior ❤

You are amazing - Your warrior spirit is very much felt on this forum and like Mike, I cannot begin to articulate how it saddens and angers me that you, like countless others, have been through so much and yet treated this way. I am listening. And I will continue to talk about this in any way I can to prevent it falling back under the carpet. I want this to be a part of conversation everywhere to the point that the grassroots shakes enough into taking responsibility.

Part of the problem, yes, is the legal system, especially the corrupt lawyers that either profit from protecting these monsters or indulge themselves. Even if there are cases that do get attention, the system just doesn't work fast enough, in my books.

Thank you. It would be so great if more people listened.

The issue is so much more complex than I’ve ever read or heard from the so called experts. For example; we don’t actually all want revenge and I know I’m not the only one like this. I just wanted it to stop and for him to be helped when I was a child but when others know and they won’t do anything about it then the possibility of him doing it to someone else weighed on my conscience and became my responsibility and so I reported it. And then people don’t understand how I can be compassionate about it and look at me like I’m totally messed up. So imagine how many children don’t say anything because they’re protecting their parent, because they don’t want them hurt too. Children are so pure and beautiful. That’s just one aspect of this issue that people could learn a lot about if they listened to us, without judgement. There are many more aspects.

Anyway, thank you so much for your post, I appreciate it more than I can express, you’re amazing yourself. :heart: And Mike. :heart:

[Mike]

Wow Rach that was gutting. Reading that knocked the wind out of me. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Very gutsy of you to share that. Thank you.

Thanks, Mike. It's actually highly uncomfortable to do so, I doubt it matters at all but for the children (when they grow up), that's how it is for a lot of them, I have no doubt.


.. It's easy to find reasons to by cynical.

Guilty here, and totally unapologetic about it. I've never claimed to be perfect or right or whatever, just me, that's all I can offer.



Well thats what I love about you Rach!......youre so bloody blunt! It's beautiful.:flower:

For the record tho, I wasnt singling you out. Or trying to make myself sound pious(i was very self conscious of that of while writing that post...i just didnt know how else to write it). Who knows, maybe im some naive f#cking doofus! Look, youre talking to a guy who thinks Obama is a good guy....but thats for another thread.

One other thing id like to clarify, and this is important: in no way was I comparing Ashton Kuchers acting ability to Marlon Brando's. And its my sincere hope that if I or anyone else does this in the future, theyre chucked from the forum immediately.