Finding Political Middle Ground

[AutumnW]

Onawah suggested another thread should be started where Trump supporters and detractors could meet and calmly discuss their concerns.

I think it's a good idea and think that most people are actually close to the middle but have bought into the stereotyped image of the other side.

For my part, and I represent many people, Trump, as a personality, is way out there, but not so much the issue. Plus, he actually has some good ideas and was standing up to the CIA and looking to normalize relationships with Russia.

My main fear is Trump is being given a long leash by those in his own party, because the plan is to impeach him and install Pence.

Pence is a Christian theocrat and most likely a war monger. These types are all about authoritarian rule, dictatorship.

Anyway, fwiw...

[amor]

The thought actually occurred to me that the opposition to Trump were setting up his cabinet selections to find faults with them and weed them out so that Trump has no one left equipped to help him. So what if Flynn made a verbal misstep, most people with the brains to be creative do make missteps, including Trump and the entire Congress of miscreants. I happen to agree with him on most things and so do the rest of America who elected him to do just what he is doing. Russia and America should be friends; they both have christian backgrounds and we are all human beings who wish to live happily. I have read that behind the scenes Russia and America are friends and cooperate in the off world space program. The entire cold war crap was just a way to squeeze money out of the people to finance their SPACE PROGRAM. I think we should load the bankers on board their UFO's, and ask them never to come back to Earth.

As for Crimea, I agree with Trump. It belongs to Russia and apparently the people of that place wish to be with Russia. As for what is going on in the other place, I wish someone would explain what started that off and what is REALLY BEHIND IT.

[Atlas]

Finding political middle ground is as easy as: which part of your brain do you choose, the left hemisphere or the right one ?

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Left Brain Right Brain Myth
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[Helene West]

Autumn

Thank you for the thread.

One thing that I feel would help unify or find common ground for left and right is more emphasis, encouragement on financial education and news as well as political news. People are glued to the political but regarding money and their eyes will glaze over when you bring up financial topics even though it is so Ultra important to all our lives. It's like we've been trained that money/finance is separate from the political unless you're a CEO, etc.

We read about grammar school kids bullying other kids because of politics so they are hearing plenty of politics at home or wherever. But what about money/finance? Maybe the parents on the thread could enlighten me if kids in grammar school today are learning some intro finance but I don't get the vibe they are learning to balance check books and read the financial sections of the news. Pursuing money will occupy a lot more of their personal daily energy than politics will. I certainly wasn't given any money education.

Could keeping us bereft of financial education be because it has potential for us to unite around important issues if we really understood what was happening to our money? Green should be the color of unity not because of the environment but because of MONEY:).

There are many money guys that are on Greg Hunter, King World News, etc. and they are sounding the alarms of a collapse of some sort worse than 2008. Some of these guys were sounding the alarms in 2007 before the 2008 mortgage collapse and they were right. If they are right again and the collapse is even more far reaching than just the stock market which would be bad enough, if it hits the bond market, we will all, - Left, Right and center, - Suffer.

[Baby Steps]

Political partisanship I see as almost a form of insanity or at least a distraction.

some individuals feel more individualistic, libertarian, charitable and self reliant.

some feel better in a sharing based more communal form of living.

neither choice is 'wrong', but I question those individual's need to project their particular orientation onto society. The general outcome is that, because most people are in a form of balance, if one goes too far in one direction, the pendulum swings back.Overly partisan judgements are therefore mis-characterising most people, who are balanced to varying degrees.but swinging back and forth is not in itself a problem.

that process can act as a form of creative destruction, I think it is good, as the worst apects of each polarity are wiped, and we move forward. no problem there, its democracy renewing us.

the problem I see is the overly partisan mind set that can distract from seeing the real processes taking place. We have with Trump, hopefully, democratic renewal of the institutions of a great nation, as embedded evil and corruption is exposed and rooted out. That is a nation choosing to renew itself rather than collapse, and it could be epic, although the truths emerging are so ugly.

the problem is that the partisan mind set is obscuring this positive process from the minds of those on the left who are too self brainwashed to see the truth.I think Michael Moore is going to get his mind expanded. And thanks to Alex Jones for desisting from calling liberals 'maggots'.

There is a possibility that the clear down, and renewal in UK might spring from the left. It does not matter which shade it springs from, just that it happens.

The Centre is the biggest disappointment. where is the Alt-centre???
they seem to be the most entrained and suggestible ones, the most distracted by trivia.

[mgray]

Here (http://wp.me/ppklu-Rg) is my latest post of how President Trump can hold the middle, whether its the middle of the country or the middle class.

The US is bifurcated by the East and West coast with the "flyover" country waiting for the president's campaign promises.

[AutumnW]

Political partisanship I see as almost a form of insanity or at least a distraction.

some individuals feel more individualistic, libertarian, charitable and self reliant.

some feel better in a sharing based more communal form of living.

neither choice is 'wrong', but I question those individual's need to project their particular orientation onto society. The general outcome is that, because most people are in a form of balance, if one goes too far in one direction, the pendulum swings back.Overly partisan judgements are therefore mis-characterising most people, who are balanced to varying degrees.but swinging back and forth is not in itself a problem.

that process can act as a form of creative destruction, I think it is good, as the worst apects of each polarity are wiped, and we move forward. no problem there, its democracy renewing us.

the problem I see is the overly partisan mind set that can distract from seeing the real processes taking place. We have with Trump, hopefully, democratic renewal of the institutions of a great nation, as embedded evil and corruption is exposed and rooted out. That is a nation choosing to renew itself rather than collapse, and it could be epic, although the truths emerging are so ugly.

the problem is that the partisan mind set is obscuring this positive process from the minds of those on the left who are too self brainwashed to see the truth.I think Michael Moore is going to get his mind expanded. And thanks to Alex Jones for desisting from calling liberals 'maggots'.

There is a possibility that the clear down, and renewal in UK might spring from the left. It does not matter which shade it springs from, just that it happens.

The Centre is the biggest disappointment. where is the Alt-centre???
they seem to be the most entrained and suggestible ones, the most distracted by trivia.

Good points. Thank you for responding. And I particularly like "where is the alt centre?" The alt left pushes the right further to the margins and vice versa.

One of the ways the spokesmen for the radical left misinterpret the right is by describing their zeal to elect Trump, as being mainly about racism. I think some of the far right are racists, but I feel that it is more about jobs than anything else. It's a cheap and easy shot -- a thought stopper for those who like easy answers. And...too often the charge is laid by ivory tower academics who have no idea how people outside of their economic class actually live.

And those who are Trump supporters misinterpret many on the left as being radically left and not worthy of listening to when it comes to their real concerns about what might be happening with the 'American Spring.' These people are not all wimpy academics holed up in gender studies classes. They deserve a hearing too!

We have to make a great effort, in the future, to love our neighbours and listen to them patiently, while stating our own case clearly. :handshake:

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Here (http://wp.me/ppklu-Rg) is my latest post of how President Trump can hold the middle, whether its the middle of the country or the middle class.

The US is bifurcated by the East and West coast with the "flyover" country waiting for the president's campaign promises.

Will read it tomorrow. Thanks!

[AutumnW]

Autumn

Thank you for the thread.

One thing that I feel would help unify or find common ground for left and right is more emphasis, encouragement on financial education and news as well as political news. People are glued to the political but regarding money and their eyes will glaze over when you bring up financial topics even though it is so Ultra important to all our lives. It's like we've been trained that money/finance is separate from the political unless you're a CEO, etc.

We read about grammar school kids bullying other kids because of politics so they are hearing plenty of politics at home or wherever. But what about money/finance? Maybe the parents on the thread could enlighten me if kids in grammar school today are learning some intro finance but I don't get the vibe they are learning to balance check books and read the financial sections of the news. Pursuing money will occupy a lot more of their personal daily energy than politics will. I certainly wasn't given any money education.

Could keeping us bereft of financial education be because it has potential for us to unite around important issues if we really understood what was happening to our money? Green should be the color of unity not because of the environment but because of MONEY:).

There are many money guys that are on Greg Hunter, King World News, etc. and they are sounding the alarms of a collapse of some sort worse than 2008. Some of these guys were sounding the alarms in 2007 before the 2008 mortgage collapse and they were right. If they are right again and the collapse is even more far reaching than just the stock market which would be bad enough, if it hits the bond market, we will all, - Left, Right and center, - Suffer.

Hi Helene,

Agree! The power elite, for one, really don't want people to get much of a foothold in macroeconomics. Following the money is the only way to understand the big picture and that has tremendous ramifications for the small picture -- our own lives. Money equals power, equals the ability to socially engineer, bend minds and manipulate the will of the populace.

If, from the time kids were young, they were given enough information about how Visa works, for example, and how people are suckered in to spending a fortune on sh** they don't need, they wouldn't do it. In a world like that, kids would come to view those who spend the least, as having the strongest character.

This could be the way of the future and won't be ideologically driven. People will freely choose to live in a more spartan way because they will have more real pride and less narcissism. Anyone sporting exclusive brands with labels on the outside of their clothes will be viewed as complete clowns

[AutumnW]

Here (http://wp.me/ppklu-Rg) is my latest post of how President Trump can hold the middle, whether its the middle of the country or the middle class.

The US is bifurcated by the East and West coast with the "flyover" country waiting for the president's campaign promises.

I like your article. I am wondering why it will take so long to implement his tax plan and why a corporate tax cut would be more immediate.

I looked at the new tax structure he is proposing and can't for the life of me, figure out how it's going to be accomplished without deficit spending to the point the dollar is destroyed...but then again, a weak dollar is valued for exporting goods? But in a trade war atmosphere, manipulating the dollar down might not work.

Anyway, that's why I bought I to a precious metal fund. The economy appears to be booby-trapped, in any number of ways, into the future.

[mgray]

I addressed (http://wp.me/ppklu-QV) the legislative problem with personal tax cuts. Corporate cuts and repatriotization of overseas funds at a lower rate can be done without going through the appropriations as it was explained to me.

You are correct that there will be much deficit spending with alleged growth in the out years to make up for it. Four percent GDP will allow for paying down deficit. BTW I have a bridge near me here in Brooklyn for sale as well.

[AutumnW]

Mgray,

Yes, it's going to be interesting. Strangely, I don't think this election had all that much to do with race, just jobs. Of course there is an overlap there and Trump capitalized on that but his recent Bannon provoked war on Islamic terrorism, on home soil, was a non-issue for everybody I know.