Are we allowed to discuss Flat Earth Yet.....?

[solos]

Just curious if Flat Earth threads are still being shoved in the back room over here ?

There must be some community members willing to discuss this subject if thats alllowed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncfHi6Jd8s

Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.:bigsmile:

[Cidersomerset]

Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.

Its not binned and is still on the page 1 as I post , it looks like it has
changed category.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?160-Known-Hoaxes-and-Other-Bad-Information

I have given my views on a previous thread and unless any new info pops up
I still go with the classical Greeks and others...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

[norman]

If you'd started a thread about TV ( and or youtube ) mind control you might have had the basis of a discussion worth having.

I say "might".

Infantile short form thought links are hardly a worthwhile discussion at this stage of the game.

I say "infantile".

Engaging with flat earthers is like dealing with the results of an unwanted pregnancy every sleepless night until suicidal. A dreadfully desperate battle between giving up or honoring an assumed moral commitment to a needy human being.

I say "needy".

Flat Earth activists tap into the 'needy' response in adult minds, and then piss and crap all over it.

[Ewan]

One second...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Ivy_King_Blast.jpg/600px-Ivy_King_Blast.jpg

..ok, its flat now, discuss away.

[araucaria]

Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.:bigsmile:
It took nearly seven years for you to make only your second forum post, on the same non-subject. Maybe try again in 2024?

Meanwhile, you might like to join in on some of the other stuff. :)

[solos]

Hi Ewan, do you believe or know you live on a spinning ball.If so why ? also is your believe or knowledge based on your own first hand observations ?

[solos]

Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.:bigsmile:
It took nearly seven years for you to make only your second forum post, on the same non-subject. Maybe try again in 2024?

Meanwhile, you might like to join in on some of the other stuff. :)

Hi araucaria,thats why I started this thread,if you object maybe stand aside and let some members that might want to discuss this topic without resulting to insults, thanks .;)

[Cidersomerset]

I noticed on the u'tube link that Michael had dipped his toe into the subject and out
again for now.....Before anyone jumps on his back he is only questioning.You may
enjoy it Solos unless you have already watched . He posted this since the last
thread.It is interesting how he came to look into it and as a frequent flyer and
researcher it has made him question the possibility.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Michael Tellinger UBUNTU, Finally, his Flat Earth discloseure,
Just the Juicy Bits! Oct 30th 2016
HxyiV35nPyw
Published on 11 Jan 2017
Yes, Globbers watch n weep! Michael Tellinger, leader of The UBUNTU Party, has
disclosed the Flat Earth deception on his 30/10/2016 online workshop, no possible
way he has hacked himself!

The above vid is taken for this Presentation...
Finally, Michael Tellinger's Flat Earth disclosure, Epic! ( Full 2h 21min version).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xranj1dXV2c

==================================================

Why the Earth is Flat and Why I Don't Talk about it Anymore! with Michael Tellinger

UDmgrOmF5oM

Published on 11 Jan 2017

Michael Tellinger briefly explains why the Earth is not a ball, before
explaining why he has decided to stop talking about it.

[PurpleLama]

Perhaps araucaria feels insulted at the advent of yet another flat earth thread. This topic is used for the denigration of alternative media all across the web. A serious question, solos: are you willfully trying to harm the forum?

[solos]

Perhaps araucaria feels insulted at the advent of yet another flat earth thread. This topic is used for the denigration of alternative media all across the web. A serious question, solos: are you willfully trying to harm the forum?

Hi PurpleLama, No, I looked at Flat Earth back in October 2015 and I am still looking . I find it strange how many people just throw insults.

[araucaria]

Hi araucaria,thats why I started this thread,if you object maybe stand aside and let some members that might want to discuss this topic without resulting to insults, thanks .;)
Solos, it is not insulting to say that to date you have built up zero profile and hence when you say 'I', posting members have no idea who or what you are referring to. The normal procedure is for a poster to make themselves known, because sometimes there is literally no one behind a screenname, or perhaps just a troll. I was merely inviting you to practise some forum etiquette.

[solos]

Hi araucaria,thats why I started this thread,if you object maybe stand aside and let some members that might want to discuss this topic without resulting to insults, thanks .;)
Solos, it is not insulting to say that to date you have built up zero profile and hence when you say 'I', posting members have no idea who or what you are referring to. The normal procedure is for a poster to make themselves known, because sometimes there is literally no one behind a screenname, or perhaps just a troll. I was merely inviting you to practise some forum etiquette.

I try not to be normal and just be myself,I was just looking for members that are lets say on the fence to have a level headed discussion

[avid]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

[solos]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

Hi avid, I don't know what happens at the equator I've never been there.

[DeDukshyn]

Here's some level headed discussion on the topic ....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95559-John-B.-Wells-brilliant-take-on-Flat-Earthers--PsyOp-

[avid]

....possibly because you don't believe there is one?
Right, that's me finished with anything to do with flat earth ludicrosity, braincells need to be used for more positive interactions.
Sorry Solos....

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

With the greatest respect my friend, there is no fence for any level headed person. It is 110% obvious, beyond any doubt whatever, that the flat earth theory is a blatant psy-op, or a just a joke, or perhaps a social-engineering experiment, ultimately designed to divide, polarize, and create dissent. If they tried to convince people the grass was red, or the sky orange, I'm afraid there would invariably be some people that would come round, and eventually believe somehow that the grass really was red, or the sky orange. Cue the absurd flaming wars on these sorts of platforms, mission for them accomplished.

Any truly free-thinking person could not possibly fall for the flat earth notion. It is prehistoric thinking of the most bizarre and senseless kind. Understand that contriving these fake conspiracy theories is a useful tactic for them in controlling, as well as monitoring, the flow of information (and people) in conspiracy theory communities. Psy-op = infiltration, and it = sabotage. If you're starting to believe in the notion of a real flat earth, you do not pass go, but must return to square one with regards conspiracy theories and the truther movement. Square one says, get educated in basic reality first of all. For flat earth, see: W9ksbh88OJs

and there are many more examples,

regards

[solos]

....possibly because you don't believe there is one?
Right, that's me finished with anything to do with flat earth ludicrosity, braincells need to be used for more positive interactions.
Sorry Solos....

No need to be sorry avid,thanks for your response.goodbye.

[Bill Ryan]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic

Yes, pulling the plug (and on solos, too). Terminal unintelligence is not an insult when it's an accurate description of the problem an individual is dealing with.

We'll leave this thread open for a little while so that others can post their comments if they wish. solos will doubtless go elsewhere and complain of censorship. But in instances like this (that fortunately are increasingly rare!) the moderators invoke the principle that when we discover something about a member that had we known it, we wouldn't have approved their membership, we reserve the right to revise our decision in order to preserve the high quality of community discussion, and of the community itself.

* A technical point: solos, who joined in April 2010 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?217-The-New-Avalon-Forum-Please-Read&p=11250#post11250), arrived before membership applications were introduced. So we know almost nothing about him, except that he's 47 years old (as he stated himself on his profile page) — and we can deduce that despite his years, he's not very capable of good data evaluation and rational judgment. That's something that we really do value here. I also say that seriously... these things are actually quite important.

[transiten]

Have you flat earthers ever pondered what happens when you come to the "edge" of he "flat earth"? Will you just fall over it (Well gravity will still exist of course, so no) or will you turn the edge and make your way back again on the other side. And how "thick" is the layer?

[DeDukshyn]

Have you flat earthers ever pondered what happens when you come to the "edge" of he "flat earth"? Will you just fall over it (Well gravity will still exist of course, so no) or will you turn the edge and make your way back again on the other side. And how "thick" is the layer

Yes they have (sort-of) an explanation for that as well - Antarctica, to them, is a ring of vast impenetrable icy wasteland that surrounds the entire flat earth - the "edge" is on the other side of this icy wasteland ring and no one can get to the edge because "Antarctica is off limits" by our government, in turn hiding the edge of the flat earth from any explorers who want to find it; Apparently, the government will always find you and send you back before you get to the edge. Not my words, just explaining it ... I studied flat Earth for a bit, did plenty of research, which is what give me my confidence in denying it.

[seleka]

I dont want to read this thread right now but to the OP yes I want to discuss FE stuff, if we have to do it in hoaxes, then so be it. I will read later. TY






From Bill: there are several 'Flat Earth' threads already, and they're simple to search for and find. You can inform yourself about the science there — if you want to! — but there's nothing to 'discuss'. If you want to promote the idea, then please do that elsewhere on the internet. THX.

[BongoBob]

Have you flat earthers ever pondered what happens when you come to the "edge" of he "flat earth"? Will you just fall over it (Well gravity will still exist of course, so no) or will you turn the edge and make your way back again on the other side. And how "thick" is the layer

Yes they have (sort-of) an explanation for that as well - Antarctica, to them, is a ring of vast impenetrable icy wasteland that surrounds the entire flat earth - the "edge" is on the other side of this icy wasteland ring and no one can get to the edge because "Antarctica is off limits" by our government, in turn hiding the edge of the flat earth from any explorers who want to find it; Apparently, the government will always find you and send you back before you get to the edge. Not my words, just explaining it ... I studied flat Earth for a bit, did plenty of research, which is what give me my confidence in denying it.

Here I am, thinking trump's border wall was a silly waste of resources, but the government's been patrolling the icy-antarctic wall this whole time, saving people from falling off the edge of our :plane: of existence.

I'd suggest we get a charter jet rented and do a group expedition to Antarctica, even if it is just to find some of these purported ancient city/structures or meet with the russian patriarch and his devout penguins- and hey, we could find the frostbitten edge of the world (or not), but it may just get discounted as more gubb'ment propaganda. :sun:

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by transiten (here) Have you flat earthers ever pondered what
happens when you come to the "edge" of he "flat earth"? Will you just fall over it
(Well gravity will still exist of course, so no) or will you turn the edge and make
your way back again on the other side. And how "thick" is the layer

Yes they have (sort-of) an explanation for that as well - Antarctica, to them, is a
ring of vast impenetrable icy wasteland that surrounds the entire flat earth -
the "edge" is on the other side of this icy wasteland ring and no one can get to the
edge because "Antarctica is off limits" by our government, in turn hiding the edge
of the flat earth from any explorers who want to find it; Apparently, the
government will always find you and send you back before you get to the edge. Not
my words, just explaining it ... I studied flat Earth for a bit, did plenty of research,
which is what give me my confidence in denying it.

I do like out of the box thinking and did wonder how they explained not falling off
the edge, but this would mean everything was wrong including our lying
eyes....LOL. But there are other theories that are not mainstream ......

I did wonder how the holographic universe ties into this ? I have watched many
vids and my brain hurts....LOL...The compilation vid below has a brief quote with
David Wilcock sitting with Bill and Kerry 5m,25secs in....
Scientists Confirm That Reality is an Illusion Our 3D Universe Is A Hologram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio
Is The Universe A Hologram? ( Good little vid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNgIl-qIklU

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7e/e9/1c/7ee91ce1e34c8db09cd18e88472d4805.jpg

[seleka]

I do like out of the box thinking and did wonder how they explained not falling off the edge, but this would mean everything was wrong including our lying eyes....LOL. But there are other theories that are not mainstream ......

I did wonder how the holographic universe ties into this ? I have watched many
vids and my brain hurts....LOL...The compilation vid below has a brief quote with
David Wilcock sitting with Bill and Kerry 5m,25secs in....
Scientists Confirm That Reality is an Illusion Our 3D Universe Is A Hologram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAo5uLCPio
Is The Universe A Hologram?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNgIl-qIklU

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7e/e9/1c/7ee91ce1e34c8db09cd18e88472d4805.jpgTHIS is what I am thinking of the whole FE thing too cidersomerset. I think it is tied into the holographic universe. I have wondered since it only recently happened to be so prevalent if it is tied to whatever caused the mandela effect. Like somehow the playing field rules changed. Hard to put into words. I have a mountain of breakfast dishes to wash and chores all day but hope to read this thread later.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.:bigsmile:
It took nearly seven years for you to make only your second forum post, on the same non-subject. Maybe try again in 2024?

Meanwhile, you might like to join in on some of the other stuff. :)
perhaps the poster was slow to join in if what they are posting about is ridiculed. It looks like the OP left. I can't message or friend them.

[Bill Ryan]

It looks like the OP left. I can't message or friend them.

Yes, he was unsubscribed. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96181-Are-we-allowed-to-discuss-Flat-Earth-Yet.....&p=1135743&viewfull=1#post1135743).

seleka, please invest the time and trouble to read what's already on the forum before adding more, which may be redundant — or just plain incorrect. That applies to quite a few topics which you may be sincerely interested in.

The time taken in reading ALL of the relevant existing threads (including this one!) may be well worth while. The members here are informed, articulate, and pretty bright, and there's an opportunity here to learn from many of them... an additional resource to the opportunity of sharing your own ideas and concerns.

[Cidersomerset]

THIS is what I am thinking of the whole FE thing too cidersomerset.
I think it is tied into the holographic universe.

Like Prof Susskind said at the end of the Is The Universe A Hologram? vid
its pointless to predict what physics will be like in a 100 years as he would
be wrong. I posted a article a few weeks ago on this topic. It does not go
into FE........

The universe could be a 'vast and complex hologram', scientists say
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95749-The-universe-could-be-a-vast-and-complex-hologram-scientists-say

[Ernie Nemeth]

Thanks for staying open a bit.

This topic is ridiculous, as most of us would agree, I think.

Yet, Solos and others seem to be honestly stuck on it. I do not believe Solos is a plant or troll. It seems to be an obvious cognitive dysfunction brought about by inadequate scientific literacy, where circles and spheres can be confused because both are fundamentally round. There is no way to rationally explain the reason why it is a ludicrous idea short of tutoring a willing student on an extensive curriculum that would necessarily include numerous tangents and otherwise unrelated data sets. I've done this with others. It can take years

Some things, like Bill said, you just have to learn on your own. This is a great forum with volumes of information on every topic you need to understand.

Like Araucaria said, let's see how you do in ten years...

[seleka]

It looks like the OP left. I can't message or friend them.

Yes, he was unsubscribed. See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96181-Are-we-allowed-to-discuss-Flat-Earth-Yet.....&p=1135743&viewfull=1#post1135743).

seleka, lease invest the time and trouble to read what's already on the forum before adding more, which may be redundant — or just plain incorrect. That applies to quite a few topics which you may be sincerely interested in.

The time taken in reading ALL of the relevant existing threads (including this one!) may be well worth while. The members here are informed, articulate, and pretty bright, and there's an opportunity here to learn from many of them... an additional resource to the opportunity of sharing your own ideas and concerns.

I just looked at the first few responses again to make sure I was not overreaching with my assertion that the OP may have felt 'attacked'. There appears to be contempt for anyone discussing FE here. Most of the responses have insulting and argumentative language in them. This thread was put into hoaxes also. I came here to Avalon for numerous reasons and FE was one of them but like you said there are many other places to discuss that.. I will read every thread I can find in here that I have not already I am sure.

Of course I was unaware of the lack of connect or content from the OP. I probably have miles and miles

I appreciate the response about the holographic universe because I think that is where the answer is.

[norman]

If it's a holographic AI/etc universe, it's still pointless arguing that the holographic world we live in/on is a flat holographic world.

[lunaflare]

Agreed, Ernie

This is a great forum with volumes of information on every topic you need to understand.
I have certainly learned to exercise my left brain hemisphere (a little more) thanks to this forum.
I suppose one could conclude from the video that the only deception is: pigs as astronauts and yip yappers with weird mouths and synthetic fur...?

[Bill Ryan]

There appears to be contempt for anyone discussing FE here.

With one or two exceptions, I think 'contempt' is just a little strong. :)

This may be more accurate:


Impatience;
Challenged to understand someone's apparent unwillingness or inability to do good research and collect and analyze information;
Exasperation when the same questions are asked over and over again without searching (or knowing how to search (http://projectavalon.net/FAQs.htm#21)) to read the responses that are already here;
Awareness that this is a psy-op (it is: see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89423-Flat-Earth-Idea-Why-so-popular) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95559-John-B.-Wells-brilliant-take-on-Flat-Earthers--PsyOp-)) — and that this very topic intentionally or otherwise discredits the very high quality of forum discussion on many topics way more important than this.

[Mike]

When I think of FE'ers, I often get the impression of being at the end of a conveyor belt and being buried by a relentless onslaught of apples or something. They seem to be coming fast n furious now, and as exhausting as it is, its important to swat them away as fast as we can......*before* we get buried...because if this idea ever gets entrenched, it'll stick around like a stubborn unflushable turd.

The FE approach is slow and insidious as first. They have to move a bit slowly so as to not give themselves away...or scare people off. in this sense, its vaguely similar to the way one might get recruited into a cult or religion. Theres a creepy subtlety...and this is usually offered up in the form of faux naive questioning and probing (posing as genuine intellectual curiosity)..which is inevitably followed up with us-against-the-world phony dramatics and an equally phony persecution complex once sane folks get involved and start picking it all apart. And thats the same for any silly idea attempting to become a meme by a group of meddling psyop types (or just plain idiots) - the martyr complex is built right into the formula. in this instance, it begins with the annoying thread title "are we ALLOWED to discuss flat earth"...which implies suppression and censorship and some kind of dictatorial regime here. we've seen these tactics for some time now..and they have a very fox news-y NLP type of scummy feel to them...

And then they get more aggressive and angry when they see theyre failing...and this usually involves the same tired old formula of evoking and distorting the notions of free speech and censorship. When this ultimately fails they go to another forum (or attempt more similar themed threads here)where they and their fellow misfits debate amongst themsleves until they finally realize that no one else is paying attention and they lose interest.

come to think of it, their approach is eerily similar to that of demonic possession - infestation, oppression, possession. Theyre attempting the infestation stage at the moment...and we must not let it take hold (this forum does a great job of this). There must be ever vigilant sanity waiting patiently to calmly explain time and again why this idea is so absurd whenever it arises. Its maddening but its a battle worth fighting.

[norman]

There appears to be contempt for anyone discussing FE here.

With one or two exceptions, I think 'contempt' is just a little strong. :)




Yea, I'll stick my hand up for contempt :)

[ it very well describes how I feel about it and the people behind it]

[TargeT]

I just looked at the first few responses again to make sure I was not overreaching with my assertion that the OP may have felt 'attacked'.

If you want to be a victim, if you look for it... you WILL find it.



We live in the really real world, looking for "safe spaces" and places you can voice opinion or ideas with absolutely no resistance is unhealthy for the human mind and detrimental to those seeking understanding and knowledge.


"attacks" and "contempt" brought up in this context alert me to "victim seeking behavior" (or perhaps virtue signalling for a victim seeker) which is VERY prevalent these days as it has been indoctrinated (especially in academia) heavily to all currently alive generations.

There were no attacks here, & Contempt, like Hate are very strong emotions that are hard to confuse/miss.. you'll know them when you see them.



I do not believe Solos is a plant or troll. It seems to be an obvious cognitive dysfunction brought about by inadequate scientific literacy, where circles and spheres can be confused because both are fundamentally round.

I don't think they have to be "willing" or "knowingly" a plant or troll to still fulfill the same role... perhaps we need a new term for the "zombie supporters".... Zombie actually works quite well, they are infected with an idea and attempt to spread it, usually mindlessly.

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1105/zombie-apocalypse-obama-obama-bots-surgeon-general-re-elect-political-poster-1305813875.jpg

[Mike]

I just looked at the first few responses again to make sure I was not overreaching with my assertion that the OP may have felt 'attacked'.

If you want to be a victim, if you look for it... you WILL find it.



We live in the really real world, looking for "safe spaces" and places you can voice opinion or ideas with absolutely no resistance is unhealthy for the human mind and detrimental to those seeking understanding and knowledge.


"attacks" and "contempt" brought up in this context alert me to "victim seeking behavior" (or perhaps virtue signalling for a victim seeker) which is VERY prevalent these days as it has been indoctrinated (especially in academia) heavily to all currently alive generations.

There were no attacks here, & Contempt, like Hate are very strong emotions that are hard to confuse/miss.. you'll know them when you see them.



Perfectly put.

seleka, even your avatar msg suggests this victim sort of mentality (the ironic "kill the messenger") "dont kill the messenger" is often the clarion call of those seeking to avoid responsibility for poorly thought out posts. look, if the message is silly and nonsensical, the messenger needs to be held accountable.

[seleka]

If you'd started a thread about TV ( and or youtube ) mind control you might have had the basis of a discussion worth having.

I say "might".

Infantile short form thought links are hardly a worthwhile discussion at this stage of the game.

I say "infantile".

Engaging with flat earthers is like dealing with the results of an unwanted pregnancy every sleepless night until suicidal. A dreadfully desperate battle between giving up or honoring an assumed moral commitment to a needy human being.

I say "needy".

Flat Earth activists tap into the 'needy' response in adult minds, and then piss and crap all over it.


One second...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Ivy_King_Blast.jpg/600px-Ivy_King_Blast.jpg

..ok, its flat now, discuss away.



Oh well,that only took 35 minutes and thread gets binned.:bigsmile:
It took nearly seven years for you to make only your second forum post, on the same non-subject. Maybe try again in 2024?

Meanwhile, you might like to join in on some of the other stuff. :)



Perhaps araucaria feels insulted at the advent of yet another flat earth thread. This topic is used for the denigration of alternative media all across the web. A serious question, solos: are you willfully trying to harm the forum?

Hi PurpleLama, No, I looked at Flat Earth back in October 2015 and I am still looking . I find it strange how many people just throw insults.


I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:


....possibly because you don't believe there is one?
Right, that's me finished with anything to do with flat earth ludicrosity, braincells need to be used for more positive interactions.
Sorry Solos....


With the greatest respect my friend, there is no fence for any level headed person. It is 110% obvious, beyond any doubt whatever, that the flat earth theory is a blatant psy-op, or a just a joke, or perhaps a social-engineering experiment, ultimately designed to divide, polarize, and create dissent. If they tried to convince people the grass was red, or the sky orange, I'm afraid there would invariably be some people that would come round, and eventually believe somehow that the grass really was red, or the sky orange. Cue the absurd flaming wars on these sorts of platforms, mission for them accomplished.

Any truly free-thinking person could not possibly fall for the flat earth notion. It is prehistoric thinking of the most bizarre and senseless kind. Understand that contriving these fake conspiracy theories is a useful tactic for them in controlling, as well as monitoring, the flow of information (and people) in conspiracy theory communities. Psy-op = infiltration, and it = sabotage. If you're starting to believe in the notion of a real flat earth, you do not pass go, but must return to square one with regards conspiracy theories and the truther movement. Square one says, get educated in basic reality first of all. For flat earth, see: W9ksbh88OJs

and there are many more examples,

regards




I just looked at the first few responses again to make sure I was not overreaching with my assertion that the OP may have felt 'attacked'.

If you want to be a victim, if you look for it... you WILL find it.



We live in the really real world, looking for "safe spaces" and places you can voice opinion or ideas with absolutely no resistance is unhealthy for the human mind and detrimental to those seeking understanding and knowledge.


"attacks" and "contempt" brought up in this context alert me to "victim seeking behavior" (or perhaps virtue signalling for a victim seeker) which is VERY prevalent these days as it has been indoctrinated (especially in academia) heavily to all currently alive generations.

There were no attacks here, & Contempt, like Hate are very strong emotions that are hard to confuse/miss.. you'll know them when you see them.



I do not believe Solos is a plant or troll. It seems to be an obvious cognitive dysfunction brought about by inadequate scientific literacy, where circles and spheres can be confused because both are fundamentally round.

I don't think they have to be "willing" or "knowingly" a plant or troll to still fulfill the same role... perhaps we need a new term for the "zombie supporters".... Zombie actually works quite well, they are infected with an idea and attempt to spread it, usually mindlessly.

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1105/zombie-apocalypse-obama-obama-bots-surgeon-general-re-elect-political-poster-1305813875.jpg

I was going to let this go since it is not my thread, but I will go and get the quotes where people are insulting if you want me to. Bill explained well why it may be that way, they are tired of having the same conversation in their minds and that is an explanation. But there are clearly insults and attacking language and no that is not what this forum was like when I was here before. People spoke in facts and left threads alone that they were not interested in participating in. Maybe its just different now. I am frankly worried about how many people in their 20s and 30s are using this terminology 'virtue signalling'. That is something instilled in them from where I do not know.

Attacking people for having different beliefs is lower brain thinking. Taking all the energy that was involved by these people to type what they did could be spent on subjects they wanted to expound upon, leaving this one alone if it was not their interest. If the people on here believe it to be a psy op that is fine, but some people are still interested in looking at it from different angles. It will not be on PA though, the owner does not wish it and that is his perogative. That still does not explain why this post was attacked. I am looking at this (the actual words and tone of the responses) from a logical point of view, not from belief in way or another.

[norman]

Well, speaking for myself, I did not attack the person who posted the OP.

I replied to the title of the thread.

[TargeT]

But there are clearly insults and attacking language

I see UNSUPPORTIVE language on a topic that's been well covered, no attacks however.

If you see someone trying to set a fire in your apartment, is it insulting to them when you (with just words mind you) try to get them to stop? or is that an attack?



People spoke in facts and left threads alone that they were not interested in participating in. Maybe its just different now.

There were some facts mentioned in those posts you copied.. I'm guessing you saw the facts as an insult since you copied the post about Coriolis Effect (something that soundly disproves FE).


I am frankly worried about how many people in their 20s and 30s are using this terminology 'virtue signalling'. That is something instilled in them from where I do not know.
It's a pretty simple concept, A person feels virtuous by defending a victim (real or not); it's done all the time by liberals with "the blacks".

It's basically a way of showing your better than someone else by sticking up for what is thought to be the "underdog" in a given situation, which will garnish the supporter of said underdog... "social brownie points". It worked for a few years,, people see through it now.


Attacking people for having different beliefs is lower brain thinking.

Seeing attacks where they are not is even lower brain thinking, survival instinct overblown.

My friend, unsupportive language is not an attack; your life will be much easier when you recognize this.




Taking all the energy that was involved by these people to type what they did could be spent on subjects they wanted to expound upon, leaving this one alone if it was not their interest. If the people on here believe it to be a psy op that is fine, but some people are still interested in looking at it from different angles. It will not be on PA though, the owner does not wish it and that is his perogative. That still does not explain why this post was attacked. I am looking at this (the actual words and tone of the responses) from a logical point of view, not from belief in way or another.

Well I'm pretty sure we have a few EXHAUSTIVE threads (i'll let you search) on the topic... so it's on PA, extensively... just search ;)

[Tangri]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

I always want to ask Bill, that question, but never had a chance to write it down here. He lives in Ecuador, maybe he observed how water drain direction goes, clockwise or counter clockwise.:waving:
I noticed FE followers do not have an answer for that question yet.

[DeDukshyn]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

I always want to ask Bill, that question, but never had a chance to write it down here. He lives in Ecuador, maybe he observed how water drain direction goes, clockwise or counter clockwise.:waving:
I noticed FE followers do not have an answer for that question yet.

The Coriolis affect is subtle and only affects large fluid systems. It actually doesn't really have any affects on small drains, but does consistently affect tropical storms, as those fluidic system are large enough to be affected by the very subtle Coriolis forces. Therefore drain directions are not a large enough system to be overtly affected. A drain can turn either directions in both north and south hemispheres - usually dependent on other factors like shape of the drain and not consistent. So it is the same at the equator. A tropical storm will always spin consistently in one direction and will always move away from the equator to a pole, also due to the Coriolis affect. based on which hemisphere the storm is in.

The short: drains are too small to be influenced by the Coriolis affect. There a thread somewhere here where explored all this already - I think I started one on this topic actually ...

EDIT: found it -- some good info here explaining what the Coriolis effect is and what it isn't, what it does and what it does not do.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85008-Why-do-hurricanes-always-spin-in-one-direction-only

[Nasu]

One can say that the investigations of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries into the observational theories of a spherical earth that is in orbit around a central sun, lay the foundations for most if not all the scientific developments of the subsequent five hundred years. This is a subject of 500+ years of investigation and experimentation by our race.

There is more factual evidence for the existence of fairies or "little people" than there is for a flat earth, look into it!! However, that being said it magnetizes to the most deep thinkers within our community for the simple reason that when you have come to doubt everything that you have been told, nothing is then sacred any more, nothing is true, even reality itself could be a lie, everything including our lying eyes is potentially false. Into this black hole for the mind, we could throw the holographic universe theory, or indeed the theory that life is just a dream, either way so what, lets make the best of our holographic or dreamlike existence since it's all we have got...

Somewhere in a darkened room, the instigators of this "meme" are smiling and slapping each others backs as they tally up just how many potentially rebellious minds they have distracted into pure undiluted YouTube inaction with all this crap. Let us please not be on that list, there is far too much to do.....x.... N

[DeDukshyn]

 
Another thing to look at is motivation. If the Earth were flat, what would be the "elite's" motivation for spending unimaginable resources convincing us it was a sphere? Money? No. More Power, Nope. They will lose power if we don't believe the earth is flat? Nope again. Anyone? Anyone? (cue Ben Stein from Ferris Bueller's day off) What would be their gain?

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I know with other "secrets" that the elite keep from us, there are huge ramifications to their rule so they spend the resources to keep secrets - like the true history of the earth, and the participation of "others" in our development. A lie about our entire past, has to be kept to keep us in the dark. Just look into Credo Mutwa and what he has had to endure for just trying to share some of the real history that had been passed down to him. They actually actively work to keep this hidden. Has any "flat earther" exposing this secret lie been attacked in the way Credo has? No, of course not, the thought makes me laugh actually.

So why does the Elite need to convince us the earth is round? No motivation. Why would the elite need to convince us the earth is flat when actually it is round? Two motivations - one, a litmus test for the level of gullibility in the masses, and two, discredit people who are getting close to the truth by calling them "conspiracy theorists" and lumping the flat earther in with them so as to discredit those who are approaching the truth.

Far more motivation for the Elite to convince us of flat earth lie than a sphere earth lie.

[Tangri]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

I always want to ask Bill, that question, but never had a chance to write it down here. He lives in Ecuador, maybe he observed how water drain direction goes, clockwise or counter clockwise.:waving:
I noticed FE followers do not have an answer for that question yet.

The Coriolis affect is subtle and only affects large fluid systems. It actually doesn't really have any affects on small drains, but does consistently affect tropical storms, as those fluidic system are large enough to be affected by the very subtle Coriolis forces. Therefore drain directions are not a large enough system to be overtly affected. A drain can turn either directions in both north and south hemispheres - usually dependent on other factors like shape of the drain and not consistent. So it is the same at the equator. A tropical storm will always spin consistently in one direction and will always move away from the equator to a pole, also due to the Coriolis affect. based on which hemisphere the storm is in.

The short: drains are too small to be influenced by the Coriolis affect. There a thread somewhere here where explored all this already - I think I started one on this topic actually ...

EDIT: found it -- some good info here explaining what the Coriolis effect is and what it isn't, what it does and what it does not do.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85008-Why-do-hurricanes-always-spin-in-one-direction-only

I had very short period of time observed southern hemisphere life(2 days) but my observation at hotel room was fascinating, unfortunately I didn't spent time for searching on that subject. I just accept it , didn't think of sink's structural design might effect it.

[TargeT]

I would like to 'pull the plug' on this topic, as it also reminds me of the futile theories regarding the Coriolis Effect: dependent in which hemisphere one lives equates to the direction of the spinning water vortex down one's plughole, so what happens at the equator? Another maniacal scenario..... :facepalm:

I always want to ask Bill, that question, but never had a chance to write it down here. He lives in Ecuador, maybe he observed how water drain direction goes, clockwise or counter clockwise.:waving:
I noticed FE followers do not have an answer for that question yet.

Easy answer..... but you're not going to like it.

:)

Toilets and sinks are FAR too small to exhibit the Coriolis effect, they are far more influenced by random factors that contribute to the direction of their drain swirl...

you need AT LEAST a large "kiddy pool" to display the directional drain effect based on the Coriolis effect.

as covered... Here:
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So, the answer is.. observable water drain is practically meaningless to the Coriolis Effect unless the body of water is sufficiently large enough (the average person does not observe this size of body of water draining).

EDIT:



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85008-Why-do-hurricanes-always-spin-in-one-direction-only

Err... yeah, what he said... ;)

[araucaria]

As one of the alleged contempters on this thread, let me explain my position by elaborating on a comment of Bill’s. My remarks did not so much address the tired old issue of FE as the status of a member as a first time poster who joined the forum almost at its inception, not to be confused with an ad hominem attack. I do understand that some people may feel shy about posting but usually they either take the plunge or they don’t register in the first place. There are plenty of smalltalk and feelgood threads to make such people welcome. This is a very useful function and I was actually suggesting that Solos make use of it. No one cast scorn on any previous posts because there weren’t any. This poster’s record of absence means he was neither a newbie nor a longstanding member and it happens to be consistent with the account of a troll or even a machine planted so as to be triggered at some later stage as and when required. The FE topic is a very good example of a trigger subject where a shy poster is unlikely, or possibly ill-advised, to dive in, and I saw no evidence to indicate that this was happening.

Given that there is always the chance of dealing with a bona fide seeker, there is always the risk of offending whenever the gentle approach is abandoned in order to preserve a forum that one is not embarrassed to belong to. FE is the latest attempt at discrediting every genuine line of research by association. They say, ‘You believe this or that? I expect you believe the earth is flat too’, just as previously they would say, ‘I expect you believe we didn’t go to the Moon’, and before that ‘I expect you believe JFK wasn’t killed by a lone nut’. Causing embarrassment is a crude weapon against open-mindedness, but clearly it is working less and less. One of the purposes of the forum, or at least its effects, is on the contrary to accustom us to feel comfortable with things that appear outlandish to many, including ourselves. We do this when people bring life-changing experiences or ideas that are potentially life-changing. What disqualifies FE ‘theory’ is that is has no life-changing effects either on its proponents or its opponents. If it did, it would be literally to abandon things like longhaul flights, satellite communications (including those blessed cellphones), the list is endless – in other words metaphorically to crawl back into our shell, underground bunker or whatever protective device we feel we need, which extends to behaviour indistinguishable from a machine. This is diametrically opposed to what we are about; which is why I make no apologies for a little impatience, brusqueness, face-palming etc. The forum is about overcoming our vulnerabilities, perceived or real, i.e. exposing ourselves, no more lurking. See this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91692-Soft-underbellies&p=1079335&viewfull=1#post1079335) of mine.

[martybeck]

I think one of the main points that makes this more than just a little interesting and worth discussing is that the flat earth concept looks so much like a PSYOP from people who have almost unlimited resources. The various videos have quite a bit of work in them. I think it is a carefully orchestrated effort to make '911 truthers' look like idiots.

[Ewan]

Hi Ewan, do you believe or know you live on a spinning ball.If so why ? also is your believe or knowledge based on your own first hand observations ?

I see you have been unsubscribed but will reply anyway. First I apologise for my earlier post, it was out of character to be so sarcastic and you took it with good grace by ignoring it. :)

I have three direct experiences for you.

Standing atop high cliffs looking out to sea I can observe a dipping at the periphery of my vision when staring straight at the horizon. Do I just convince myself of that, I don't know.

I did note once on a long haul flight at 40,000 feet that the effect was more apparent though you don't often get the conditions to glimpse it.

Thirdly, my nephew flew round the world always heading east and made it back home.

There is a degree of trust in that last one that the planes were indeed flying in the direction they claimed to be as I doubt my nephew was carrying a compass to verify each leg of the journey. But others have flown and sailed around the world single handedly, using navigation, and succeeded, so it does seem to have some merit.

As an aside, I thoroughly enjoyed reading Terry Pratchett's Discworld series as he was clearly a very astute observer of human foibles and belief systems. I rather suspect that was why he chose a flat-earth scenario to base his novels in.

[TargeT]

I think one of the main points that makes this more than just a little interesting and worth discussing is that the flat earth concept looks so much like a PSYOP from people who have almost unlimited resources. The various videos have quite a bit of work in them. I think it is a carefully orchestrated effort to make '911 truthers' look like idiots.

we have a thread discussing that as well ;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95559-John-B.-Wells-brilliant-take-on-Flat-Earthers--PsyOp-&p=1134449&highlight=flat+earth#post1134449

haha, this topic really has been extensively delved into in many ways.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There was no attack on my part in responding to this thread, only (as Bill pointed out) a continued sense of exasperation!

If one went back in time to say, the 16th century, and started spouting off about a flat earth, you would be laughed at, or maybe imprisoned as a lunatic. Because that was the age of enlightenment and reason, which had the flat earth well and truly licked by then. Did the 16th century equivalent of the illuminati, say the Vatican, deploy 10,000 galleons to the Antarctic to patrol its waters so that renaissance explorers did not discover the dreadful truth, as supposedly NATO or NASA do today? There were a lot of these pioneering explorers sailing the globe back then - and making DISCOVERIES. And guess what, they didn't fall off the edge, their carefully plotted circumnavigations brought them back to exactly where they started, because obviously the earth is a sphere.

I continue to scratch my head on this. If flat earth proponents so vehemently claim that a spherical earth does not exist, then also, by association, they are claiming that SCIENCE itself does not exist either.

Even with a million arguments and other examples against a flat earth, there is really only one argument that truly, positively, trumps anything else. And that is, that the earth sitting on a flat plane is a PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBILITY - as far as absolutely everything we know (can measure, observe, and PROVE) to be true about the reality in which we live. Forget everything else if you like, a FLAT EARTH IS IMPOSSIBLE. And that can be scientifically verified by YOU. Now. Today. And very easily, beyond any shadow of a doubt.

For me, it is a small miracle that these flat earth threads, when they do appear, are as polite and civil as they are!

Because it is bordering on farcical that this 'subject' even exists (beyond the 16th century!)

[TargeT]

" knowing enough to think your right, but not enough to know your wrong".

Great!

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[Bill Ryan]

"knowing enough to think you're right, but not enough to know you're wrong".


The alternative community is awash (flooded!) with exactly this problem. The Flat Earth meme is certainly being pushed as a a psy-op, whether the proponents are aware of it or not, and it's just the most extreme example of this. It's misinformation that's being taken full advantage of to indirectly discredit a mountain of important, good work.

Fake news at its most idiotic and extreme. The mods' policy here is getting very close to one that defines that while it's important to discuss the psy-op, those who want to use Avalon to promote the idea are simply not welcome here.

[araucaria]

Here is an intriguing possibility derived from the one thing we know about open poster solos, corroborating my idea that we may be dealing with an artificial intelligence: his age (47). When a forum member wants to browse in invisible mode, as is readily verifiable by checking the member list, the software sets their join date to Jan 1st 1970 – a kind of Day One Year One. Notice also how, for reasons of their own such as astrological anonymity, the forum has a surfeit of members claiming Jan 1st as their date of birth. So if a piece of software opened a forum account, it might well supply Jan 1st 1970 as a default date of birth.

Which now in 2017 would translate on screen as an age of 47. QED.

[Cidersomerset]

Just saw this article on the BBC headline page , It claims its due for 2018 on the
Dragon 2 space craft and Falcon heavy rocket both of which have yet to fly
according to the vid below. This raises several questions on related topics Van Allen
Belt, whether we went to the moon etc , not for this thread.

But I did think if the world was flat it would be a short trip, so if this does go off
and is not a publicity stunt , hopefully they will get some high resolution pictures of
space , the moon and the earth.......


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Two people have paid to take part in a trip to the Moon

5 hours ago

Short vid on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39113474

Elon Musk, it seems, loves nothing more than to spin plates. When most
of us might be looking to lighten the load, he's piling on the ambition.
The serial entrepreneur's latest gambit is to fly people around the Moon.
Two wealthy individuals have apparently lodged significant deposits with
his SpaceX company to make this journey.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39113474


SpaceX to fly private moon missions

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Published on 27 Feb 2017
SpaceX says two people have paid to take a lunar trip on a Falcon Heavy
by the end of 2018.

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SpaceX Announces Plan To Send Two Private Citizens To The Moon In 2018 | NBC Nightly News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwoYE8qhheI

Published on 27 Feb 2017
The space travel company revealed Monday that it is working on plans to fly two
private citizens on a week-long mission to the moon in 2018.
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SpaceX is sending two people to the moon and back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAR-tBpOol8
Published on 27 Feb 2017

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has announced big plans to send two private citizens
around the moon by 2018. CBS News space consultant Bill Harwood joins CBSN
with the latest details.