Prof. Brian Cox says 'CERN proves ghost don't exist'

[looking-glass]

(don't know in which forum this should go)

TV personality / famous Professor Brian Cox discussed on BBC radio that he believes the LHC proves ghosts cannot exist:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4252862/Has-Large-Hadron-Collider-proved-ghosts-DON-T-exist.html

My interpretation is he is talking about the impossibilty of some as yet unknown energy 'animating' matter.

Personally, never seen a ghost.

Do I believe they exist? Don't know - have no evidence for or against.

But if many folk say they have experienced something that can only be referenced to a ghost I believe them.

What this may be, I have not reached any conclusion...

-telepathy, time distortions, residual soul-body patterns, energy imprints on local matter, I cannot say.

Seems a bit odd to me as LHC is so controversial and so are ghosts.

[Atlas]

What do you think happens after death ?

Life After Death Proved By Scientists?
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Neil de Grasse Tyson on the afterlife:
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[DNA]

We have a crazy-a$$ conspiracy theory dude here on Avalon who thinks he can show anybody how to see a ghost if they want to.
Dude is nuts. Oh wait a second, that dude is me. Well it doesn't change anything I said. :wave:
How To See A Ghost For Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)

[boja]

I would NOT trust Prof Brian Cox.

In my humble opinion -
He's being used by the establishment (just like Nick Pope & Dr David Clarke) to steer the public opinion in a certain direction -
away from the truth. A kind of "Damage Limitation".

[BMJ]

We have a crazy-a$$ conspiracy theory dude here on Avalon who thinks he can show anybody how to see a ghost if they want to.
Dude is nuts. Oh wait a second, that dude is me. Well it doesn't change anything I said. :wave:
How To See A Ghost For Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)

Dead right I have seen ghosts several times and experienced their presence, they are real. For example, had one stand right behind me once "I told it to get a life", I then had the feeling that the whole back part of my body felt like I was laying on a bed of ice, it was a freaky experience.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to Brian Cox. He’s just another one of those media shills, a paid-for techno- pop idol, and a mouth-piece of the 'scientific mainstream establishment'. They aim to steer public perception away from anything remotely paranormal or spiritual to cold, hard (fake) science, whilst promoting AI, transhumanism, and the deification of technology. Cox is the UK's version of Michio Kaku.

[sdv]

I have seen ghosts. Contrary to my fear of them, they were rather pedestrian and unscary (literally a group of them just walking up the hill)! They were very blurred, more like an impression.

Just because physicists have not found how particles can be coded with information does not mean that such a coding does not exist. Remember physicists have found that somehow particles separated by vast distances seem to communicate instantaneously (faster than the speed of light) and physicists cannot explain how this is done other than to say that everything in the universes is connected. Be wary of scientists who proclaim that they know the ultimate truth or have established fact beyond questioning...

[MorningFox]

Can you imagine being so utterly pompous and up your own arse that you'd actually have the audacity to make a public statement, from a position of influence like he has, that suggests you think you know something that you have absolutely no way of knowing? The pomposity of 'scientists' is just as embarrassing as the blind faith of religious fanatics.

[uzn]

He is an arrogant D***. In the beginning of the Article he Sais: 'Before we ask the first question, I want to make a statement: We are not here to debate the existence of ghosts because they don't exist.
Thats open minded. Wonder why he will never find any Ghosts ;)
And remember in Quantum Physics you can just find what you are looking for!!! And they are not looking for Ghosts ;)

@Looking Glass: The Article is called: Has the Large Hadron Collider proved that ghosts DON'T exist? Professor Brian Cox thinks so
He just think so, he gives no scientific proof whatsoever, thats very scientific.
Who made him Proffessor I wonder?

[conk]

My family, not me, sees ghosts frequently. My sister and mom have witnessed the same apparition at the same time. My daughter and my mom saw a little girl in 1800s period dress, at the same time. My daughter very often sees all manner of entities in her bedroom and has since she was 3 years old. Whatever label you place on it, something is there.

[Foxie Loxie]

One of my aunts lives in a house built around 1846. One Christmas before they left the house in the evening they unplugged the tree lights. They looked at each other in astonishment upon their return as the lights were back on! She then saw a little boy dressed in 19th century clothes & said to him, "You need to go back over to the other side." Once in awhile she still has "odd" things happen in her home. When she takes photos there are many orbs, inside & outside her house. They even follow her & the dog to the creek! :dog:

[looking-glass]

What do you think happens after death ?
(snip)

If your question is directed to me and not to the forum:

I (through years of research, personal experiences and those close to me) have decided existance continues after 'death'.

Although the exact method/ journey I am not 100% sure about ( I have my prediction which is roughly 80% 'solid' in my perception - but that's a whole other topic?)

[looking-glass]

We have a crazy-a$$ conspiracy theory dude here on Avalon who thinks he can show anybody how to see a ghost if they want to.
Dude is nuts. Oh wait a second, that dude is me. Well it doesn't change anything I said. :wave:
How To See A Ghost For Yourself (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Yourself)

Like your humour DNA, it's a one of the often overlooked/ essential methods of fighting 'the bogeyman' . Alas, IMO, humour to work has to be powerful and cutting edge, however, it has been outlawed in many/ most places by the 'ism-ists'.

Your page reference I have bookmarked for later perusal.

[looking-glass]

I would NOT trust Prof Brian Cox.

In my humble opinion -
He's being used by the establishment (just like Nick Pope & Dr David Clarke) to steer the public opinion in a certain direction -
away from the truth. A kind of "Damage Limitation".

Tend to agree: he has found his lucrative niche in mainstream, it would be only natural for his mindset to make sure he stays in the beam of the 'super trooper'.

[looking-glass]

I have seen ghosts. Contrary to my fear of them, they were rather pedestrian and unscary (literally a group of them just walking up the hill)! They were very blurred, more like an impression.

Just because physicists have not found how particles can be coded with information does not mean that such a coding does not exist. Remember physicists have found that somehow particles separated by vast distances seem to communicate instantaneously (faster than the speed of light) and physicists cannot explain how this is done other than to say that everything in the universes is connected. Be wary of scientists who proclaim that they know the ultimate truth or have established fact beyond questioning...

Tend to agree with you.

If I am not misinterpreting his view point, what I get from his statement is that 'CERN has found everything, so all other theories are invalid'.

[looking-glass]

He is a highly university awarded particle physicist (B.Sc, Master, Doctor of Philosophy and works for CERN in the ATLAS experiment).

I myself only got a B.Sc. and it was not in Physics, although have always 'followed/ read about that field.

I am not a scientist anymore, still have respect for 'the scientific method', but do not believe that is the ultimate tool to the answers and experiences people have.

My 'bias' tends to favour : Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism, 4th ed. (Boston: Shambhala, 2000),6.

[Slant84]

I can not explain what ghosts are, nor where they come from. However, to make such a blanket statement is totally irresponsible. Either the statement was taken out of context, or maybe he should visit my home. There is absolutely, most definitely, a "ghost" here. Each one of my immediate family members have seen her, and all four of us have also experienced smells, strange activities, and other paranormal events. As I said, I do not claim to know what ghosts are. All speculation is welcome on that question. But indeed, they most surely exist. Atleast in my personal reality.

[KiwiElf]

Me too, since a very young age, although I haven't seen any now for quite a few years.

First house I bought about 23 years ago, had three "regular residents" (all friendly), show up on frequent occasions - flatmates saw them too. A little girl in 19th century dress, a half person/man in Gallipolli-looking uniform (either whole or just his top half), and the third, what I could only describe as a "nebulous cloud".

The really weird bit of the Gallipolli character,... when I cleaned up house to move, I discovered a 3ft painted statue in two halves under the house of exactly this "ghost". I decided to leave it there!

(One other wasn't so nice, manifesting as some kind of demonic-looking (alien?) entity in a cloak - that was pretty scary)!

[Omi]

Ghosts are indeed real and do exist. I've seen them a few times, once I saw a cowboy with his hat and boots, striking a pose at me.

I have a good friend who's a very strong psychic and does exorcism to cast away negative beings. It's a very dangerously demanding job, and because of this she told me that she will probably not live a very long life. Her life is a dedication to God, as her purpose is to serve for God's will. She will probably not reincarnate onto earth anymore either, which I'm very happy for her about.

I know of another psychic girl who works as a professional energy healer, and claims to see ghosts everywhere, all the time. She sees them as clearly as she sees 3D humans, and cannot drive a car because she can't identify so quickly whether it's a 3D person or a ghost that's crossing the street.

Children love to dress up as all kinds of ghosts and creatures for Halloween to get buckets full of candy, they'd go out on a huge rampage if they'd heard that there are some people like Brian Cox who claim there are no ghosts around.

I suppose it depends on where one brings their visual focus to their awareness. Some people see more angels, some more aliens. I like to keep an open mind and think that anything and everything that man can imagine already exists, even unicorns, pegasuses and flying pigs :flypig: (I personally prefer flying cows)

-Edit-

I just heard from one of my colleagues that a very honored, significant person from our community where I work has passed away yesterday from breaking her spine. Many people who were closer to her and around in the community seem to be talking about her spiritual ghostly existence hovering over us right now.

In Buddhism it's said that it takes 49 (7x7) days for the soul to make its transition from this earthly life to the next. I don't know what the level of truth to that is, but will be sending my prayers and blessings for her soul's safe transition.



Bardo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Tibetan word bardo (བར་དོ་ Wylie: bar do) means literally "intermediate state"—also translated as "transitional state" or "in-between state" or "liminal state". In Sanskrit the concept has the name antarabhāva. It is a concept which arose soon after the Buddha's passing, with a number of earlier Buddhist groups accepting the existence of such an intermediate state, while other schools rejected it.

Used loosely, the term "bardo" refers to the state of existence intermediate between two lives on earth. According to Tibetan tradition, after death and before one's next birth, when one's consciousness is not connected with a physical body, one experiences a variety of phenomena. These usually follow a particular sequence of degeneration from, just after death, the clearest experiences of reality of which one is spiritually capable, and then proceeding to terrifying hallucinations that arise from the impulses of one's previous unskillful actions. For the prepared and appropriately trained individuals the bardo offers a state of great opportunity for liberation, since transcendental insight may arise with the direct experience of reality, while for others it can become a place of danger as the karmically created hallucinations can impel one into a less than desirable rebirth.

Vasubandhu’s Abhidharmakośa explains (English trs. p. 383ff):

'What is an intermediate being, and an intermediate existence? Intermediate existence, which inserts itself between existence at death and existence at birth, not having arrived at the location where it should go, cannot be said to be born. Between death—that is, the five skandhas of the moment of death—and arising—that is, the five skandhas of the moment of rebirth—there is found an existence—a "body" of five skandhas—that goes to the place of rebirth. This existence between two realms of rebirth (gatī) is called intermediate existence.'

He cites a number of texts and examples to defend the notion against other schools which reject it and claim that death in one life is immediately followed by rebirth in the next, without any intermediate state in between the two. Both the Mahāvibhāṣa and the Abhidharmakośa have the notion of the intermediate state lasting "seven times seven days" (i.e. 49 days) at most. This is one view, though, and there were also others.

[uzn]

From the CIA Archives ;)
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000700300001-7.pdf
Download:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000700300001-7.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000700930001-8.pdf
Download:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000700930001-8.pdf

[Atlas]

I think there are good and evil ghosts. I am amazed by the dead people who don't realize they're dead until they're told so, they're still trying to live a 'normal' life. From what I understood, if you were a bad person during life, you still remain the same after death, reason why children ghosts are not to be feared, because they are innocent, they're just trying to be children in the afterlife. It looks like paradise vs hell on the other side, angels vs demons... Even Thomas Edison tried to communicate with the dead (see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33663-The-Scole-Experiments&p=1093694&viewfull=1#post1093694)).

A Father put cameras in the house because the daughter tells him to be annoyed by something. Look what he found!
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[amor]

I have consistently experienced telepathically the personalities of my parents, and friends who have passed, including those of a set of grandparents I had never met and of whom I knew nothing at the time. They gave me valuable information which has since proved true. We are living in a world of moving wavelengths, some outside our visible spectrum, that is all.

[BMJ]

I think there are good and evil ghosts. I am amazed by the dead people who don't realize they're dead until they're told so, they're still trying to live a 'normal' life. From what I understood, if you were a bad person during life, you still remain the same after death, reason why children ghosts are not to be feared, because they are innocent, they're just trying to be children in the afterlife. It looks like paradise vs hell on the other side, angels vs demons... Even Thomas Edison tried to communicate with the dead (see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33663-The-Scole-Experiments&p=1093694&viewfull=1#post1093694)).


Firstly, these are not scary campfire stories I am telling you, they are true accounts.

Two unrelated people that I knew had similiar experiences.

One guy, whom was hard as nails, was sleeping in his apartment several floors up, threw the night out of the right wall three shadowy overcoated men walk threw the wall stop at the base of his bed the nearest turns to face him and says "it's not your time". Then they continue to walk straight threw the opposite wall.

Another person I knew had two near death experiences yet again three shadowy figures appeared grabbed hold of him and were trying to drag him down threw the ground on both occasions. Before he snapped back to life.
Funny that this person was on another occasion in the same room with me and my BF he could not see the white orbs that were in the room at the time whilst I and my BF could.

After hearing both these stories several years apart the below scene came to mind:

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After accidentally getting hit and killed by oncoming vehicles, Willy becomes a ghost and gets dragged into the darkness by demonic poltergeists.

Funny that the clip shows three figures also, mmm.


The morale, if I may, "is karma is a boomerang and it will come back to bite you in the butt", so be very careful about what you do in this life.

[bogeyman]

This is the same prof that believes there isn't any other life out there. Mentality and socially incapable not education is the problem here.

[conk]

The Holographic Universe called to say, Brian Cox does not exist.

[RogerThingymebob]

One word comes to mind When I think of Brian cox;
Tw*t (there's no I in it).

We'll never meet aliens?!

Where does all this new technology come from?
How did the ancients know how to build the pyramids?
Where do we come from?

TW*T.

Look at this;
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/weirderthanyouthink.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/are-we-alone-in-the-galaxy-brian-cox-thinks-so/amp/

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And people mock David Icke!!!!!!!!!!

[uzn]

Maybe we can proof with Quantum physics that Brian Cox does in fact not exist ;)

Oh damn, Tin Foil Hat had this Thought before me, These parallel Universes get me all out of timelines.

[looking-glass]

Thanks to all who have shared on this thread. Just a few 'last' comments on this thread. First I tried to find 'why' CERN is about, the following from them:

http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/why.htm

We can justify the LHC's existence on a number of levels:

Fundamental research

This is CERN's core business. With the LHC the aim is to continue to push our understanding of the fundamental structure of the universe. The results from the LHC might shed light on:

Dark energy
Dark matter
Extra dimensions
Higgs
Supersymmetry

For a basic introduction see the Atlas physics tour

Education

A huge number of technical students, Ph.D.s, post-docs, associates etc. pass through CERN

Spin-offs

The World Wide Web for example

Knowledge transfer

E.g. Detectors / Cameras for High Resolution Biology and medical use.

For example, the same method used in the CMS electro-calorimeter to study high energy physics and to search for strange new particles is used for medical imaging in positron emission tomography (PET) to study body functions and search for cancer.

Investment

A lot CERN's budget is spent on hardware produced by European industry

Lot of study of 'dark' there (sorry frivolous comment ;-) And, not a lot about benefits to mankind/ practical applications to aid civilisation?

Then, an interesting interview of the man (although really did not want this thread to focus on him, really to explore that by his 'status' within the media and the project, then he must take responsibilty for being the 'spokesman' ? - please notice the question mark) . That being said, his comments about the BBC raise my eyebrows, especially when we have IMO very socially destructive 'entertainment' like their most popular soap opera 'Eastenders':

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/02/professor-brian-cox-interview-forces-of-nature

“One of the really refreshing things about the BBC now, with Tony Hall running it, is you’ve got someone who I know understands what a public institution is. I’ve always felt that the BBC is a public institution first and a media company second. So it exists in order to make the country better. It does not exist to make television or radio; that’s it secondary purpose. It makes the country better by making television.”

“Well, so, if you list the questions now that are at the frontiers of fundamental science, there are some very immediate questions. Are we alone in the universe? That’s one of them.” Cox thinks other civilisations are a logical inevitability – “The universe is probably infinite, so they’re going to have to. Given that we evolved, and we are consistent with the laws of nature, then it becomes a game of chance, and no matter how small the chances are, if the universe is formally infinite, then there will be an infinite number of civilisations.”