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Hervé

25th February 2017, 16:56

While reading the article posted below, it occurred to me:
"This is too big, widespread and pervasive to be a 'normal' mass hysteria..."

Psychotherapists struggle to deal with Trump issues (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-trump-therapists-20170223-story.html)

Soumya Karlamangla
Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-trump-therapists-20170223-story.html)
Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:17 UTC

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In her 35 years as a therapist, Arlene Drake has never heard so many clients talking about the same issue. Week after week, they complain of panic attacks and insomnia because of President Trump (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-all-things-trump). They're too anxious to concentrate at work. One woman's fear turned into intense, physical pain.

"It's just a nightmare," said Drake, who practices in West L.A.

Drake was trained not to reveal her personal beliefs, but now will agree with clients if they say they don't support Trump.

"If this were just another session, if this weren't such a big thing, if this weren't so evil, I wouldn't," she said. "But I have to stand for what I stand for and that does cross over into politics."

Therapists nationwide say they've been overwhelmed by the strong feelings triggered by one of the most divisive figures in modern political history.

Some patients who support Trump say they feel isolated because they can't share who they voted for in their workplace or home for fear of being harassed or called xenophobic or misogynistic. With few people to talk to freely, they turn to online forums and their therapists.

Opening up about voting for Trump has already stoked conflict with family and friends. One therapist mediated a case in which an adult son threatened to cut off his relationship with his parents because they voted for Trump.

Mental health professionals such as Drake have abandoned neutrality, while others are struggling to maintain it. Therapists on both sides of the political aisle are grappling with how to help patients affected by a national issue over which they have little control.
"This is so monumental because we are not in normal anymore," said Randi Gottlieb, a therapist who heads the L.A. chapter of the California Assn. of Marriage and Family Therapists.

"It's putting into flux and questioning how do we practice, what is the best way to support the people we care for. We're beginning those conversations — we don't really have good answers."
Therapists say the last time so many people came to therapy wanting to talk about the same thing was after the Sept. 11 attacks. Trump has been a topic of discussion for months, even for people who see therapists for issues as seemingly unrelated as relationship troubles or eating disorders.

"I had a 10-year-old in my office who was talking about it," said Paul Puri, a psychiatrist in Brentwood.

Over the summer, William Doherty, a professor at the University of Minnesota and a therapist in St. Paul, published a manifesto (http://citizentherapists.com/manifesto/) online declaring Trump a unique threat to America's mental health. More than 3,800 therapists signed it.

Doherty wrote that Trump's campaign was creating widespread alienation and fear among Americans. Trump was normalizing behavior that therapists fight to reverse, including "the tendency to blame others in our lives for our personal fears and insecurities," he said, and "a kind of hyper-masculinity that is antithetical to the examined life and healthy relationships."

These issues haven't gone away now that Trump is president, Doherty said. He formed a group last month called Citizen Therapists for Democracy (http://citizentherapists.com/) to consider issues raised by Trump's presidency. Therapists aren't accustomed to advising patients on how to handle this kind of "public stress," since psychotherapy has traditionally been limited to private lives and psychology, he said.

Among the unanswered questions for therapists: Can they validate clients' feelings without wading too far into politics? What's the best way to uphold and act on their personal values? How can they help people deal with something that's so pervasive and unpredictable?

"It's thrown therapists," Doherty said. "We're struggling with it because we've never dealt with it — and now we're forced to."

Mental health professionals have also debated whether to diagnose Trump himself. Though some have publicly done so, an ethical standard known as the Goldwater Rule prevents psychiatrists from diagnosing public figures without personally evaluating them.

In 1964, more than 1,000 psychiatrists said in a magazine survey that then-presidential GOP nominee Barry Goldwater was psychologically unfit to be president. It was an ethical misstep that might have eroded confidence in psychiatry, wrote Maria A. Oquendo, the head of the American Psychiatric Assn., in a statement (https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/08/the-goldwater-rule) last year reminding members to abide by the rule.

At the most recent board meeting of the L.A. County Psychological Assn. last month, therapists also discussed how to talk about Trump, especially with patients whose political beliefs might differ from their own. It turned into an hour-long discussion that Hillary Goldsher, a therapist on the board, described as "emotional, challenging, difficult."

But Goldsher, who practices in Beverly Hills, said that while she understands therapists' desire to condemn Trump, she thinks opening up could isolate some patients.

She wants clients to feel free from judgment, so she redirects them if they ask whom she voted for.
"You sign up for the notion that your goal as a therapist is to hold a safe space regardless of your own beliefs," she said.
Patients who feel overwhelmed by the new administration should set hard time limits for consuming the news, said Allen Wagner, a therapist in Mid-Wilshire who describes himself as "solution-focused." He tells people to delete Twitter and Facebook apps from their phones so they're not constantly tempted to check them.

Wagner has encouraged others to turn their anger or frustration into action by attending rallies or contacting their congressional representatives. One of his clients wrote thank-you letters to President Obama (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics-government/government/barack-obama-PEPLT007408-topic.html) with her children.

"It makes them feel like it's not something they're watching, like a train wreck, and that there's some level of control," he said. "Maybe it doesn't change the larger narrative, but it makes them feel as though they're being authentic with themselves."

In many ways, the election has been more challenging for his conservative clients, who feel as though they can't tell their spouses, family members or friends that they voted for Trump, Wagner said. They fear being automatically labeled bigots or accused of electing a new Hitler, he said. They rely on secret Facebook groups to express their feelings.
"It's almost become irrational in terms of the anger people feel toward each other and the boxes they put each other in," he said.

"I feel for the people on both sides."
Robert Puff, a psychologist in Newport Beach, said that many of his conservative patients were upset by the way Trump was portrayed by the media during the campaign. They dreaded the possibility of a Hillary Clinton presidency, especially after what they saw as "eight years of Obama oppression," he said.

Puff zeroed in on ways each client could increase happiness within his or her own life, regardless of the political landscape. Now his conservative clients are mostly relieved Trump is in office, he said.

"They're happy with what he's doing," he said.

Amy-Lee Goodman, a rape survivor who lives in Boston, said she broke down after watching a tape last year of Trump saying, in a vulgar way, that he could grab women by the crotch. She only felt more upset when he denied subsequent assault allegations, and then even more so after the election.
"I just had to turn off the news," said Goodman, 29.

"It felt personal, like a personal assault against me, like this whole country had said what happened to me didn't matter, what happens to so many women doesn't matter."
Julia Hochstadt, who is Goodman's therapist, said many survivors of sexual violence had flashbacks and panic attacks because of the assault allegations against Trump during the campaign. Many saw their worst fear, not being believed, play out on the national stage, she said.

Even now, so many of Hochstadt's patients regularly talk about Trump that she's had to be extra careful not to get overwhelmed.

She spends less time scrolling through her Facebook news feed and watching the news. She's skipped a few recent episodes of the political thriller "Homeland," one of her favorite TV shows, because it feels too heavy at the end of the day.
"There are fewer and fewer places where you're not hearing people talk about this stuff," Hochstadt said.

"I have to be ever diligent about carving out places for myself where I'm not talking about this, I'm not listening to this."
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So, I end up thinking that all the "Fake News" stuff is aiming at maintaining those electronically triggered emotions at peak levels and into an inevitable clash between the divided parties.

Well, that would be a "Civil War"... truly.

Bill Ryan

25th February 2017, 17:00

Noelle

25th February 2017, 17:37

Matt P

25th February 2017, 17:42

Ba-ba-Ra

25th February 2017, 17:48

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is a major psychological operation and a verry successful one at that. I have witnessed it firsthand with my own family, especially my parents (who are not together). They both have had many strange moments of extreme anger and panic about Trump. But here's the thing...when I probe with questions it is abundantly clear they know absolutely no facts about him, Hillary or the larger issues that frame this whole circus. They are acting this way because they've been TOLD TO by their TV, newspapers and social sites. And we all know who controls those!
This shouldn't surprise too many around here. A great deal of the world's population is asleep in the matrix and are easily manipulated.

Matt

Same here. . . . but interestingly when I show them videos to inform them, they say OMG, you're right - then they watch just a little of MSN and again they rant about Trump, completely forgetting everything we discussed the day before. Almost as if it never happened. These are bright people normally. No doubt in my mind major entrainment is going on.

Matt P

25th February 2017, 18:08

I had both my parents over recently for my wife's birthday and they got each other all worked up about Trump. I shared some basic info about their misunderstandings (I didn't vote for Trump btw) but it doesn't register at all. Like trying to talk about 9/11 truth, their programming doesn't have room for ideas that run counter to the establishment propaganda. I finally told them they were just simply uninformed and to not bring their Trump BS around me anymore. I know that's not the best way to deal with this but these people are energy suckers.

Eram

25th February 2017, 18:19

Very interesting phenomena!

Personally, I suspect that we are witnessing the blow back of a mind control assault on humanity that started at least 7 decades ago.
Some roots may even go as far back as the start of Christianity.

In order for a one world government under Anglo Saxon control, many plans have been developed and brought into existence to abolish nation states. Most of us are aware of these I guess.
New-Age movement, Social justice institutions and other carefully induces childlike worldviews (lets just all be friends and open our arms to everyone).

What the left is experiencing is the reality catching up with them and it hurts like hell.
Most of them are in full denial and cannot handle it.
All they can see is some kind of monster in the white house and they are completely blind to what he is actually trying to achieve.

Electronic mind control experiment coming from Trump or people working on his behalve?
Not the first thing that comes to mind.

white wizard

25th February 2017, 18:20

I think social media and msm are causing people to loose there minds. It's not all unicorns and rainbows in politics anymore because trump is outsider with no allegiance to the globalist. The propaganda machine is In over drive trying to stop him by fueling the flames politically dividing both parties like never before. I've caught myself getting sucked into it. Luckily I understand manipulation and was able to pull myself back out . But the media is the one splitting the country and people are taking the bait refusing to look at the facts.

Cidersomerset

25th February 2017, 18:36

Trump: The Playing Field For An Electronic Mind-Control Experiment?

It may not have started out this way but since Trumps win hysteria has set in
from all areas of society and they will probably look back on this as a pivotal
juncture in this era , as Trump and Bannon are trying to adjust US policy from
the past 30 years and break us free from media mind control.

There are all sorts of headlines mainly from CNN ,MSNBC and other left/Dem
leaning out lets that Trump is dangerous , mad , bad , Russia , 'Trumpsky' etc, etc
which is all part of the existing control paradigm losing its grip on control maybe...?

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Lionel was talking about this and I saw it a couple days ago and is amusing and
worrying at the same time.....

Mika Brzezinski: “Our Job” to “Control Exactly What People Think”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9ce-yMEfc

Published on 22 Feb 2017

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96335-Trump-going-after-pedophile-rings-Pizzagate&p=1136987&viewfull=1#post1136987

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This is another sad example of the left media are so ill informed this goes into
the victim mind set of the people who only watch mainstream leftist sources...

The View is just waking up to media BS and lies.....Though they have a lot to learn.
especially Joy Behar who does not have a clue....

Joy Behar Freaks Out on Jewish Breitbart Writer and Then Gets Easily Confused

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XlxOXtqEg

Published on 24 Feb 2017

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Actor dares Hollywood elite: Bring refugees to Oscars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-J-1vsqXPQ

Published on 24 Feb 2017
Actor Robert Davis has a tongue-in-cheek challenge for Hollywood elites like Meryl
Streep. Robert DeNiro and Shia LaBeouf: Go ahead, bring an unvetted illegal
immigranty or refugee to the Oscars. If you don't - then you're racists #Tucker

Noelle

25th February 2017, 18:39

Very interesting phenomena!

Personally, I suspect that we are witnessing the effects of a mind control assault on humanity that started at least 7 decades ago.
Some roots may even go as far back as the start of Christianity.

In order for a one world government under Anglo Saxon control, many plans have been developed and brought into existence to abolish nation states. Most of us are aware of these I guess.
New-Age movement, Social justice institutions and other carefully induces childlike worldviews (lets just all be friends and open our arms to everyone).

What the left is experiencing is the reality catching up with them and it hurts like hell.
Most of them are in full denial and cannot handle it.
All they can see is some kind of monster in the white house and they are completely blind to what he is actually trying to achieve.

Electronic mind control experiment coming from Trump or people working on his behalve?
Not the first thing that comes to mind.

I agree with you on Trump not using mind control. If anything, it seemed like he was winging it during the election campaign. I think the Alex Jones video a few posts up makes a good case that Trump is not using mind control.

norman

25th February 2017, 18:43

The determination of the "left" to run this campaign as hard as they can, will either bring about a reversal ( for the time being ) or it will bust the bubble for ever and release us from the long running matrix reality.

Personally, I'm quite nervous about the flack that's likely to fly in the near future, in all directions, as the significance of what's happening sinks in. I wish I was younger healthier and stronger, with a big smile on my face all the time, but I'm not. There are several ways this could get ugly for me.

But, I'm all up for it and impatient to see things move along. Obviously, if this turns out to be a false start and reverts back to a clamp down in the awakening human spirit, I will have a hard time dealing with it, but the risk is worth it.

If I think back to just 5 years ago, I couldn't see anything like this coming about for real. It's just fantastic that we are hear now and it's happening.

I'm not totally on the up and positive about it either. I have my own share of fears. Not enough to go running off to a shrink about though.

For many decades, the official excuse for secrecy was that "We Can't Handle the Truth". Well, this is just the beginning. I expect to see the fear focus morph away from political paranoia to Oh my God, we are NOT at the top of either the intellectual chain or the 'food' chain.

A shock like this, for the "left", may actually help to get the mass consciousness over the coming hump. It's harder to claw and clamor back to the safe home ground when the safe home ground has had it's own bomb go off.

Koyaanisqatsi

25th February 2017, 19:01

RunningDeer

25th February 2017, 19:01

There are some who claim that Trump used mind control to gain supporters. I supported Trump and don't make that claim, but it's interesting how it is coming from both sides of the spectrum.

Alex Jones video:

Is Donald Trump Using Mind Control On Supporters?
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVX1qDA54A)

Thanks, LadyM. Scott Adams jumps right into Trumps “persuasion perfection" comes in around 1:41. And for convenience, I've added your video and the summary below.

Real Time with Bill Maher: Dilbert Creator Scott Adams
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Published on May 27, 2016
Subscribe to the Real Time YouTube: http://itsh.bo/10r5A1B

Bill welcomes Dilbert creator and "How to Fail at Everything and Still Win Big" author Scott Adams to discuss Trump's powers of persuasion and branding in this clip from May 27, 2016.

Is Donald Trump Using Mind Control On Supporters?
cRVX1qDA54A

Published on May 31, 2016

Alex Jones breaks down NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) and why some pseudo-intellectuals claim Donald Trump is using it on his followers.

Help us spread the word about the liberty movement, we're reaching millions help us reach millions more. Share the free live video feed link with your friends & family: http://www.infowars.com/show

Hervé

25th February 2017, 19:09

If one reads the article, one should be able to extract that there was some sort of "Aversion Therapy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy)" being applied to people that made them physically sick at the mere thought of Trump and designed to make those people reject Trump right off the bat. That was before the elections...since then that same "Aversion therapy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy)," à la Robert Duncan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan), instead of subsiding, has been amplified...

Eram

25th February 2017, 20:01

Sorry that I didn't read the article Herve, but even after reading it, I stand by my opinion.

I have been emerged and part of the left for about most of my life and people ending up at a psychiatrist couch in order to deal with the Trump phenomenon is in line with how I know them.

The drill of political correctness, combined with the happy childlike worldview devoid of any critical thinking outside the (carefully constructed) box creates people that behave just like we see today.
They are waking up to reality and they don't like it one bit.

Fellow Aspirant

25th February 2017, 21:33

Yes, I agree 100%. Important to look and see just what may be happening here. I've been discussing this privately for several weeks now.

It appears manipulated, choreographed, and has many hallmarks of a widespread, blanket, covert, mind-control and mind-influencing operation.

The idea that mind control is at work in the struggle within America is furthered by a post last week by Florida pastor Joel Tooley, who, while attending a Trump rally in Florida, felt the presence of an overwhelming evil.

As he watched the behaviour of people on the crowd, he became convinced that he was not amongst political supporters, but religious zealots who were responding to Trump as though possessed.

You can Google the story to get the take of many different outlets, but I think it's more useful to go directly to his own words.

So, here's his full (rather lengthy) report on what he and his daughter experienced:
(emboldened emphases mine)

"Joel Tooley added 22 photos and a video to album: Trump visits Melbourne.
February 18 at 10:34pm ·

What I am about to write and what you are about to read may make some people very uncomfortable, if not angry.

That is not my intention nor is it okay with me to cause anyone to stumble. That being said, what I experienced tonight was so dramatic that I cannot help but reflect on it and share what I experienced.

A few days ago, people across the United States heard the news that our newly elected President would be visiting Melbourne, Florida – our hometown. It is no surprise to many that I do not support many of the objectives and "campaignisms" of Donald Trump. I know many people who voted for him - friends, family, church people who all voted for their own reasons. The point of this experience is not to relay all of the reasons why I think he should not be the president. Those points are moot – he IS our President.

Now, I am enough of a sentimentalist that when I found out THEEEE President was coming to town, I got online quickly and reserved two tickets.

The tickets were being given away by the Trump-Pence campaign; I found it odd that the tickets indicated that this was not a government/White House event & that this was a campaign event. I have, of course, posted a joking post about that earlier. What I discovered was that by hosting this as a campaign event, Mr. Trump could determine who was and was not allowed in the venue. If he came on an official visit, they could not prohibit anyone from entering and he couldn't sell his campaign merchandise.

So, in essence, he was only allowing his supporters in the room. Well, with a few exceptions…

I talked my 11-year-old daughter into coming with me. After all, how many times do you get to see the President of the United States in person – let alone in your hometown? I was eager for her to have this experience. It has to be a pretty cool thing, as a kid to see Air Force One, the President and the First Lady.

The event started at 5 PM; we got in line at the venue shortly after 2 PM and the line was already pretty long. There are several mini stories to be told about that experience but don't need to be told for this post. Suffice it to say, it is always an intriguing sociological experience to be surrounded by people in line for something for which they are fanatics - whether it is for a movie premier, a live concert, the release of the latest beanie baby or Cabbage Patch kid. Fanatic people are fascinating to me.

While I am not a fan of Trump, I certainly did not want to come across as a vigilante protester while standing amongst some of his most adoring fans. I truly wanted to see if what I was going to witness in person was any different than what I had observed on TV.

The entry into the event was very impressive. I have always admired the professional posturing of the Secret Service, including those from our own local law-enforcement who were on duty serving in this capacity. These are women and men who should be highly commended for placing their lives on the line.

We entered the venue at 3 PM, two hours before the event started. As we entered, everyone was being handed pom-poms and Trump campaign signs. The hosts made sure everyone had a sign in their hand. Someone shoved one into my hand and gave pom-poms to my daughter.

I felt like a sheep in wolves clothing.

Music was playing loudly throughout the venue as it filled up with hundreds of people. I would guess there were eventually at least 3000 people in the room. It was nowhere near full, but there certainly were a lot of people there. From my view, the crowd was 99.9% white folk. I did see a row of about 10-12 supporters who were black, wearing T-shirts that said, "Trump and Republicans are not racist" - they were positioned in the seating area directly behind the podium.

We were about three rows of people from the very front and had a very good position to view the President and the platform. As people were coming in, there was a lot of excitement and a strong sense of patriotism. Approximately every 15 minutes, the music would be a little more enthusiastic and party-like. I posted my play-by-play feedback of "God bless the USA!" in an earlier post...it was almost church-like. People sang along, raising their hands and were emotionally moved by this anthem. It was intriguing to watch.

People were being ushered into a deeply religious experience...and it made me completely uncomfortable.

I love my country; I honor those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom and I respect our history and what we stand for, but what I experienced in that moment sent shivers down my spine. I felt like people were here to worship an ideology along with the man who was leading it. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the song per se – it was this inexplicable movement that was happening in the room. It was a religious zeal.

You might liken it to the experience fans would have after their favorite team won the Super Bowl – faces painted, banners flying, confetti in the air and celebrating.

But this – this was deeper.

A couple of local politicians got up to bring greetings followed by state representative, followed by one of our Congress representatives. A soloist sang, "God bless America" and there was a strong sense of patriotism in the room. A pastor got up to pray and repeatedly prayed throughout his prayer, "Thank you for making this the greatest nation on earth…in Jesus' name."

Uh-uh. No. No way, josé.

Pastor, this is not the greatest nation on earth. The greatest nation on earth does not exist. Are we a great nation? Definitely. But there are many other great nations as well. Pastor, you have your eyes on a different kind of "greatness" and certainly a different kind of kingdom. Shame on you for praying those words in Jesus' name!

Suddenly, the music changed from the pep rally theme to something that seemed more Star Wars themed. The crowd went crazy and turned towards the opening of the airplane hangar that was the venue, just as Air Force One pulled up.

What a magnificent sight! That enormous airliner is absolutely breathtaking. The crowd was going wild; signs waving in the air, people cheering, and every cell phone was positioned to take photos and video. As the First Lady and the President emerged at the top of the stairs, the air was electric! It really is a magnificent image to see in person!

As they entered the venue and walked to the platform, there was terrific celebration. I have been in the room when other Presidents were in a similar mode – it is always such a meaningful experience to be that close to them, regardless of whether or not you view them with adoration. Theeeee President of the USA!

The First Lady approached the platform and in her rich accent, began to recite the Lord's prayer.

I can't explain it, but I felt sick. This wasn't a prayer beseeching the presence of Almighty God, it felt theatrical and manipulative.

People across the room were reciting it as if it were a pep squad cheer. At the close of the prayer, the room erupted in cheering. It was so uncomfortable. I observed that Mr. Trump did not recite the prayer until the very last line, "be the glory forever and ever, amen!" As he raised his hands in the air, evoking a cheer from the crowd, "USA! USA! USA!"

Just as the President begin to speak, a short grandmotherly lady in front of us asked me if I would help hold her walker – the kind that has a seat built into it. She said, "I need to climb up on it and hold something up." Such an odd request at such an odd place at such an odd time. So, I helped her.

She held a pillowcase that had something written on the front of it, words I could not see. She climbed up onto the seat, wobbly-legged and held the sign up above her head. People in front of her turned around and started jeering and yelling at her. After holding her sign up for about 10 seconds, she climbed back down and thanked me. I asked her what her sign said – it read, "You had your chance, now resign!"

The very first words out of the President's mouth were the words of a bully. That is not simply one person's perspective, it is factual. He immediately began badgering and criticizing the media; like a bully inciting a crowd.

Now, do I think the media needs to be held to a high standard and be able to be held accountable? Absolutely! The media as a whole has become sadly non-journalistic and more entertainment, in my opinion.

Call it what you will, but I was completely dumbfounded as the most powerful leader in the world began his speech by badgering the media. The crowd began screaming angrily at the entire press corps that was present.

He could have said something inspiring and worthy of a Tweet or Facebook post, instead he emerged as an overly powerful bully. Literally, everything that he began speaking about evoked this angry response from the crowd. Immediately following the words of prayer that Jesus taught his followers…

It was then that I heard two ladies off to my left chanting, not yelling or screaming but chanting, "T-R....U-M-P; that's how you spell - bigotry!" They repeated the rhyme over and over.

Two ladies in front of them began seething and screaming in their face while shaking their Trump signs at them. Another couple standing behind them started screaming at them as well. One of the chanting ladies had her eight-year-old daughter on her back; the other had a severely disabled child in a wheelchair in front of her. As they continued chanting, the people around them became violently enraged. One angry man grabbed the lady's arm - that's when I went into action. I barged through the crowd and yelled at them to back off. My heart wasn't racing; I just instinctively became a protector.

I didn't actually want a Trump sign, but one of the volunteers had shoved it into my hands as I walked through the door earlier; "Make America Great Again!" That sign probably saved someone from getting hurt. I held the sign close to my chest as I positioned myself between the chanting protesters and the angry mob. My 11-year-old daughter was clinging to my arm, sobbing in fear.

The two angry, screaming ladies looked at me, both of them raised their middle finger at me in my face and repeatedly yelled, "F*#% YOU!" Repeatedly.

I calmly responded, "No thank you, I'm happily married." Their faces and their voices were filled with demonic anger.

I have been in places and experiences before where demonic activity was palpable. The power of the Holy Spirit of God was protecting me in those moments and was once again protecting me and my daughter in this moment.

I raised my voice and calmly said, "These ladies have the right to do what they are doing and they are harming no one; this is America and they a right to express themselves in this way. They are harming no one." A couple of other people around me stepped in and supported me in protecting them as a barrier, as well.

My daughter was shaking in fear as she clung to me. The one man behind the protesters shoved himself forward, grabbed the lady by the arm and screamed with multiple expletives, "I'm going to take you out! This is my president and nobody has the right to disrespect him and nobody has the right to keep me from hearing him!"

I wish I could have captured the expressions of that man on camera. I will never forget him.

The little girl on her mother's back was crying, completely frightened. I leaned forward and reassured her in her ear, "Your mommy is being brave and we will not let these people hurt you. You are afraid because these are angry, awful people. We will not let them hurt you or your mommy. You are being so brave and your mommy is doing something very brave."

That's when another lady screamed in my face that what I was doing was un-American. I just chuckled and responded, "What I am doing is completely American – I'm standing up for people who are being bullied – it doesn't matter if I agree with them or not. You came here to see the President, now ignore these ladies, turn around and enjoy the show." Without explanation, they calm down and turned around to hear what Trump had to say.

The two protesters then moved towards the back and left the building. I got a couple of high-fives and "thanks for stepping up for them" from bystanders . I wanted to say, "Thanks. Where were you when the the demons were screaming and fists were getting ready to start swinging?"

Once again, the environment reminded me of some church experiences I've had. Bystanders.

I have no clue what Trump was saying at that point – draining the swamp, vetting refugees, and other things. Oh yeah, I heard people chanting, "Build that wall, build that wall!"

I realized then that we were not listening to someone presidential, we were listening to someone terribly powerful.

My kid was shaken - she had just seen some of the worst of humanity. We edged ourselves away from the front of the room to the opening of the hangar so we could get a clearer picture of Air Force One. I wanted to give her at least one positive presidential memory.

The crowd was much thinner at the back of the room, people were leaving by the hundreds. Outside, there were two jumbotrons set up for a potential overflow – there really wasn't a need for them. There were maybe a couple of hundred people outside watching on the big screens.

Not too far behind that group was a large group of protesters.

Inside, Trump had rallied the group by giving a little bit of attention to the "paid protesters outside." Now, I can't speak for all of them, but I asked a few where they were from and why they were there - every single one of them were from different cities in Florida and could quickly articulate why they were there. They were not paid protesters – not the ones I spoke with.

I'm trying to separate how I actually feel about this man and his campaignisms. I know why people voted for him; I know why people voted against his opponent. But, at the end of the day, what I felt from his leadership in this experience was actually horrifying. There was palpable fear in the room. There was thick anger and vengeance. He was counting on it. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that it would not have taken very much for him to have called this group of people into some kind of riotous reaction.

Now, not everyone in the room was a part of the angry mob mentality – I looked around the room and saw many people who could quite easily be folks from my neighborhood, folks from my church, folks who were planning to go grab a bite to eat at Cracker Barrel afterwards. Folks who truly wanted to see America "great." The people who support the Republican Party want to see some needed changes in the government – the people that were there for that reason, are by and large good folks. But those are not the people the President was inciting – they are not the people he was leading. He was rallying the angry, vigilant ones.

As we began to leave, I knew my daughter could not possibly care less about Air Force One or the fact that she saw the President of the United States and his wife, in the flesh. I truly had hoped that she could have had that sentimental experience.

What she WILL remember is the angry, violent man screaming demonic vitriol at a child and her mother. She will remember the two ladies screaming at her Dad, her pastor – flipping the middle finger and using the F word repeatedly.

Now, I know there are people who are convinced that I am jaded and cannot fairly give this man a fair chance. Perhaps that's true. But please remember, especially those of you who know me well, I am a student of culture and human behavior. I am not a stubborn, close minded individual who likes to stick to the status quo. I know there are people who long for me to see the good things about this President and to talk about THOSE things. I know there are people who want me to realize that not everything he is doing is bad and that every President has their strengths and weaknesses and…

I know there are people who, when they see these words and hear my thoughts will feel badly because perhaps they can't like me as much as they once did because they don't agree with me. They want me to like the President that they like – they want me to see him the way they see him.

I'm sorry. I cannot. You see, the angry, F-word-spewing man is what has been depended on throughout this campaign and is the one who is still being counted on to sustain the message. I tried.

As we left the room, these words were echoing in my mind, "Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done..."

At the end of the day, I'm a citizen of a nation - I have a leader who God is very aware and who has tremendous responsibilities. I MUST and will pray for him. I'm a citizen of this world and I must continue to see beyond my own limited world view to seek ways to obediently serve Christ. But greater still, I am a citizen of a different kind of Kingdom - the Kingdom that strives for peace, mercy, kindness and a love-relationship with the King of kings.

May God have mercy on me."

B.

turiya

25th February 2017, 23:39

Speaking of Mind-Control...

Pastor busted after making
misleading Trump rally claims (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims-001491379.html)
Published on:
21 February 2017
By Marlin Bressi

Alt-left website plays fast and loose with the truth in story about Pastor Joel Tooley's experience in Melbourne

U.S. Uncut, an alt-left website supporting the anti-Trump "resistance" movement, published an article Tuesday claiming that a #Florida pastor stormed out of Trump's "demonic" rally after the antics of Trump supporters left the pastor's 11-year-old daughter "sobbing in fear."

According the story, Pastor #Joel Tooley of the First Church of the Nazarene in Melbourne attended the nearby rally with his daughter so that she could have the opportunity to see the president in person. “After all, how many times do you get to see the President of the United States in person – let alone in your hometown? I was eager for her to have this experience," wrote Pastor Tooley.

Pastor calls Trump supporters 'the worst of humanity'

The article claims that Tooley was shocked and horrified by the behavior of Trump supporters, alleging that the crowd turned into an "angry mob" after protesters began heckling the president and calling him a bigot. Tooley claims that his protective instincts took over, leading him to intervene between the angry mob and protesters (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/uc-san-diego-students-protest-upcoming-visit-by-dalai-lama-001489151.html). "My kid was shaken - she had just seen some of the worst of humanity," wrote Tooley of the incident.

Tooley then distanced himself from the so-called angry mob and moved closer to the hangar so that his daughter could get a better look at Air Force One. "I wanted to give her at least one positive presidential memory," said the pastor.

The U.S. Uncut story paints a picture of a simple church pastor who only wanted to take his 11-year-old daughter to see the President of the United States-- arriving at the event in slack-jawed awe and wonder and walking away in disgust and shame. It would be a pretty powerful message, if only it were true.
Pure propaganda, plain and simple

A cursory perusal of Pastor Tooley's Twitter account reveals that Tooley was a vocal anti-Trumper long before he ever decided to attend the Melbourne rally with the goal of giving his daughter a "positive presidential memory"-- a stark contrast to the humble, nonpartisan church leader described in the U.S. Uncut article.

From the world of Twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
Not voting for either, my final assessment based on their closing
thoughts: she's a confident, intelligent communicator; he's a mouthy
brat.
10:41 PM - 19 Oct 2016

Earlier that week, Pastor Tooley posted a tweet bashing Trump's grammar, and followed up less than an hour later by labeling Trump supporters as "impressionable non-thinkers".

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
Stop saying "bigly," you sound stupid. #debates
9:30 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
Donald pulled out the "Trojan horse" comment – great; now every impressionable non-thinker will believe him.
10:23 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

However, Tooley's tweets about his daughter-- the same one who was horrified to the point of tears-- clearly indicate that both knew perfectly well what they were in for when they decided to attend Trump's Melbourne rally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
My 10-year old: Does he know 'bigly' isn't a word? #Debates2016
9:56 PM - 9 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
#Debates2016 - kids should not be afraid of their president. #ImmigrationVoter https://twitter.com/allie2ley/status/785304572717834241 …
10:24 PM - 9 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpegJ O E L•t o o l e y
One of the 2 major political candidates is in town tonight - seems like a good time to go to Walmart.
5:07 PM - 27 Sep 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

In fact, when Trump came to town during the campaign season, Pastor Tooley expressed no desire whatsoever to attend, stating that he'd rather go to Walmart. #Donald Trump (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/tag/donald-trump/)

Source (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims-001491379.html)

dynamo

26th February 2017, 01:11

...
Opening up about voting for Trump has already stoked conflict with family and friends. One therapist mediated a case in which an adult son threatened to cut off his relationship with his parents because they voted for Trump.

....
Wow...
His own parents, hey?
I'm not one to debate politics as it is a circular "cluster" and no side it "right" considering the present system.
But, to have to see a counselor to argue politics with your Parents leads me to believe that there are other, underlying issues in that Family that need resolving.

KiwiElf

26th February 2017, 01:21

Noelle

26th February 2017, 01:31

Speaking of Mind-Control...

Pastor busted after making
misleading Trump rally claims (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims-001491379.html)
Published on:
21 February 2017
By Marlin Bressi
Alt-left website plays fast and loose with the truth in story about Pastor Joel Tooley's experience in Melbourne

U.S. Uncut, an alt-left website supporting the anti-Trump "resistance" movement, published an article Tuesday claiming that a #Florida pastor stormed out of Trump's "demonic" rally after the antics of Trump supporters left the pastor's 11-year-old daughter "sobbing in fear."

According the story, Pastor #Joel Tooley of the First Church of the Nazarene in Melbourne attended the nearby rally with his daughter so that she could have the opportunity to see the president in person. “After all, how many times do you get to see the President of the United States in person – let alone in your hometown? I was eager for her to have this experience," wrote Pastor Tooley.

Pastor calls Trump supporters 'the worst of humanity'

The article claims that Tooley was shocked and horrified by the behavior of Trump supporters, alleging that the crowd turned into an "angry mob" after protesters began heckling the president and calling him a bigot. Tooley claims that his protective instincts took over, leading him to intervene between the angry mob and protesters (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/uc-san-diego-students-protest-upcoming-visit-by-dalai-lama-001489151.html). "My kid was shaken - she had just seen some of the worst of humanity," wrote Tooley of the incident.

Tooley then distanced himself from the so-called angry mob and moved closer to the hangar so that his daughter could get a better look at Air Force One. "I wanted to give her at least one positive presidential memory," said the pastor.

The U.S. Uncut story paints a picture of a simple church pastor who only wanted to take his 11-year-old daughter to see the President of the United States-- arriving at the event in slack-jawed awe and wonder and walking away in disgust and shame. It would be a pretty powerful message, if only it were true.
Pure propaganda, plain and simple

A cursory perusal of Pastor Tooley's Twitter account reveals that Tooley was a vocal anti-Trumper long before he ever decided to attend the Melbourne rally with the goal of giving his daughter a "positive presidential memory"-- a stark contrast to the humble, nonpartisan church leader described in the U.S. Uncut article.

From the world of Twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
Not voting for either, my final assessment based on their closing
thoughts: she's a confident, intelligent communicator; he's a mouthy
brat.
10:41 PM - 19 Oct 2016

Earlier that week, Pastor Tooley posted a tweet bashing Trump's grammar, and followed up less than an hour later by labeling Trump supporters as "impressionable non-thinkers".

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
Stop saying "bigly," you sound stupid. #debates
9:30 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
Donald pulled out the "Trojan horse" comment – great; now every impressionable non-thinker will believe him.
10:23 PM - 19 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

However, Tooley's tweets about his daughter-- the same one who was horrified to the point of tears-- clearly indicate that both knew perfectly well what they were in for when they decided to attend Trump's Melbourne rally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
My 10-year old: Does he know 'bigly' isn't a word? #Debates2016
9:56 PM - 9 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
#Debates2016 - kids should not be afraid of their president. #ImmigrationVoter https://twitter.com/allie2ley/status/785304572717834241 …
10:24 PM - 9 Oct 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/459554657463857152/YbxsYQ6K_reasonably_small.jpeg
J O E L•t o o l e y
One of the 2 major political candidates is in town tonight - seems like a good time to go to Walmart.
5:07 PM - 27 Sep 2016 · West Melbourne, FL

In fact, when Trump came to town during the campaign season, Pastor Tooley expressed no desire whatsoever to attend, stating that he'd rather go to Walmart. #Donald Trump (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/tag/donald-trump/)

Source (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims-001491379.html)

The pastor's story did not sit right with me. Thank you!

Hervé

26th February 2017, 01:40

The programming is very effective - considering we're half a world away in NZ - you should see the almost instantaneous, kneejerk, hatred here from some you thought you knew well,... when you even say the word "Trump"That's the very scary thing about it... that something very deep is being manipulated/triggered and I don't think it's the text or visual messages that are doing it but the "carrier waves" themselves.

NancyV

26th February 2017, 02:15

Noelle

26th February 2017, 02:51

NancyV

26th February 2017, 03:08

The pastor showed his ignorance about Donald Trump when he says that he is saying "Bigly". Actually he's saying "Big League". I've noticed a lot of people on various news shows took a long time to realize it wasn't a newly invented word "Bigly", but was Big League! Many New Yorkers say Big League, in fact an ex husband of mine from New York used to say Big League all the time. Pres Trump just happens to say it a lot too.

Ha ha. I thought it was "bigly" too. How smart am I? :sun:

Okay, I'll admit I initially thought it was "bigly"! LOL.... I only remembered that my ex husband used to say big league after I figured out that Trump was saying big league.
Didn't want you to feel ignorant alone.
:)

Noelle

26th February 2017, 03:12

lunaflare

26th February 2017, 05:11

TV/digital media programming is certainly effective when when families/friends are no longer speaking to one another!
Division and disunity certainly fosters a force field of fear and hatred. Who benefits?
The T word has become Toxic, with many falling into irrational hysteria.

Psychosis
[sʌɪˈkəʊsɪs]

NOUN
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

Franny

26th February 2017, 07:25

I didn't watch any Trump or Hillary speeches or rallies but I did watch portions of a few of the Obama rallies. I could have sworn that he was using NLP.

Does anyone else remember NLP in Obama rallies, or even Hillary and Trump?

It should not be surprising as many politicos use it and it's growing. They're still not as good as Darren Brown tho...

7alon

26th February 2017, 08:12

I can attest to brainwashing. I was initially brainwashed by the media last year in regards to Donald Trump. I began repeating what I saw/heard and one day my friend simply asked me "why is he (x)?" He continued to ask me these questions and I would go to find proof of my ramblings, only to find that there was nothing credible or concrete to back up my claims. It is scary looking back on it, I actually believed what I was saying was fact. Now that I recall it isn't the first time something like this has happened to me personally. I was shocked and ashamed to realise I was like a drone, pushing a narrative, which was pushed on me by the media; constantly displaying images and articles every day.

In all honesty I still maintained caution about trusting Trump. Not because of what the media portrayed, but because that was the last time I will be pushed/brainwashed/what ever you would like to call it, into having a belief/opinion about something. I am very pleased with President Trump's actions so far. If all his actions within the past month are indeed true, I fully support the decisions made by him.

DNA

26th February 2017, 08:44

I'm of the opinion there is mind control being used via the high tech, HD, 3D TV's people use.
And further more I'm of the opinion that the worst thing to watch on these TV's would be CIA controlled media such as ALL the major news networks. Don't forget, Fox News was the main source of CIA propaganda after 9/11 so don't be fooled by their subdued seemingly Trump supporting tactics.
The newer and more high tech the television, the more mind control technology you are paying for.
I have a huge dinosaur three foot deep television that is over thirty years old I keep in one of those old entertainment centers you can buy for like $30 at goodwill or any second hand thrift store.
Even my monitor is low tech.
I'm guessing on a big budget flat screen HD Television, even Trump might start believing the sh!t the media are stating about him if he sat in front of it long enough.
Smart phones are probably an issue as well.
Technology was made by the elite and serves the purpose of opiating the masses just like religion used to.
And now it seems they have gone a step beyond using it as an opiate and it is now the barometer by which how we think is decided for us.

Omni

26th February 2017, 10:05

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t0bR-aLut4s/WKe1oGblQFI/AAAAAAAAFdI/qDk5qZoDJAgnMoxsizU77sLgmxvmzhCCACLcB/s1600/Microwave-Tower_Microwave-Warfare_Omnisense-Neighborhood.png

These towers are going up worldwide in abundance. They are the #1 culprit of mind control IMO, however perhaps anything that beams RF Energy can be used. I have long said every US president is transhumanized and mind controlled for the agenda. I tweeted about Trump after he was elected. This was my tweet:

"No matter who is in office they are controllable to some degree.
Electromagnetic mind control doesn't discriminate."

Flash

26th February 2017, 11:18

That NLP stuff 'he was using N L P hooooohoooo" makes me sick somewhat - not because of what you personnally said Latte, but because of this hoooohoooo attitude attached to it. NLP is very easy to use, many of us do it even unconsciously. But.... all presenters, of all kinds, political, comedians, comedy people, all presenters are trained with techniques that could be related to NLP, not necessarily for influencing, but definitely to make a show that is presentable and mostly to be easily understood by each subset of the population.à

NLP is not vodoo, it is not sorcery, and it is easy to learn for everyone, and is taught to anyone who wants to learn it. Nothing special about it.

It is widely used by psychologists to help people that are their clients.

Now, is it used by advertisers, salesman and politicians for more nefarious reasons? of course, it is part of human nature to be nefarious at times. As petroleum is used for good and for bad, as explosives are used for construction (good) and to kill (bad), etc,

So, once and for all, all presenters use some of NLP techniques, starting with Tony Robbins going to Oprah Winfrey passing by Hicks and ending with the small coach or trainer you have seen last week on the junior football field or in a classroom.

I didn't watch any Trump or Hillary speeches or rallies but I did watch portions of a few of the Obama rallies. I could have sworn that he was using NLP.

Does anyone else remember NLP in Obama rallies, or even Hillary and Trump?

It should not be surprising as many politicos use it and it's growing. They're still not as good as Darren Brown tho...

uzn

26th February 2017, 11:40

Tons of NLP Books out there. No big deal. But before some of you jump to Microwave conclusions, here some real Facts about how persuation / programing works:
The easiest and most used technique by the media/spindoctors is Repetition. The Indians call this a Mantra. A message / Idea / or conclusion to something is repeated and repeated. If the persons recieving this "message" is not Aware of this, the broadcasted Script / message goes into the subconcsious and is perceived as being the own oppinion of the Person. One really good example of this was the official Timeline of 9/11 where all stations repeated the message for 3 days over and over again. Thats programing the masses. No big mystery. Same with Trump, if the MSM is repeating every day that he is crazy/nuts/incompetent that´s what the masses will think after a while.

Bubu

26th February 2017, 11:43

far as i can remember the recent US election is the most talk about here in the philippines and trump was the most hated candidate. maybe its because of the comment by him that philippines is a nation of terrorist and im sure same goes to other countries especially muslim countries. maybe even trump is part of the mind control. although i havent made up my mind yet how could it be of merit to them to involve other people in other countries in the political entertainment of the US

Hervé

26th February 2017, 13:21

"This is too big, widespread and pervasive to be a 'normal' mass hysteria..."E.g.:

Posted by KiwiElf (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1137104#post1137104)
The programming is very effective - considering we're half a world away in NZ - you should see the almost instantaneous, kneejerk, hatred here from some you thought you knew well,... when you even say the word "Trump"The "evidence" is that no matter where on the planet or the practiced language and/or religion, the "programming" reaches below that level to unleash deep, raw emotions...

This is a never seen, never experienced scale for a bar brawl... all about one guy who dethroned some "rightful" pretendent gal... see, the raw emotional level is manipulated/triggered and exhibited by both/all parties/sides. The same raw emotional energy that fuels all sorts of protests in Europe, etc...

That's the reason why I am suspecting the carrier waves rather than the apparent texted or audiovisual messages as well as the similarity with "Aversion Therapy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy)."

RunningDeer

26th February 2017, 14:52

NLP is not vodoo, it is not sorcery, and it is easy to learn for everyone, and is taught to anyone who wants to learn it. Nothing special about it.

Now, is it used by advertisers, salesman and politicians for more nefarious reasons? of course, it is part of human nature to be nefarious at times. As petroleum is used for good and for bad, as explosives are used for construction (good) and to kill (bad), etc,

I didn't watch any Trump or Hillary speeches or rallies but I did watch portions of a few of the Obama rallies. I could have sworn that he was using NLP.

Does anyone else remember NLP in Obama rallies, or even Hillary and Trump?

It should not be surprising as many politicos use it and it's growing. They're still not as good as Darren Brown tho...
Repost:

10 Ways to Protect Yourself From NLP Mind Control

Short on time? Scroll down half way for the 10 tips.
[complete article (http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/01/16/nlp-10-ways-protect-mind-control/)]

- And the foremost and primary rule: If your gut tells you somebody is foocking with you, or you feel uneasy around them, trust it. NLP people almost always seem “off,” dodgy, or like used car salesmen. Flee, or request they show you the respect of not applying NLP techniques when interacting with you.

- NLP is a technique of layering subtle meaning into spoken or written language so that you can implant suggestions into a personʼs unconscious mind without them knowing what youʼre doing.

NLP or Neuro-Linguistic Programming is one of the worldʼs most prevalent methods of mind control, used by everyone from sales callers to politicians to media pundits, and itʼs nasty to the core. Hereʼs ten ways to make sure nobody uses it on you... ever.

How exactly does this thing work?

To oversimplify an overcomplicated subject, it more or less works like this: first, the user (or “NLPer,” as NLP people often refer to themselves—and I should note here that the large majority of NLP people, especially those who are primarily therapists, are likely well-meaning) of NLP pays very, very close attention to the person theyʼre working with.

By watching subtle cues like eye movement, skin flush, pupil dilation and nervous tics, a skilled NLP person can quickly determine:

a) What side of the brain a person is predominantly using; 
b) What sense (sight, smell, etc.) is most predominant in their brain;
c) How their brain stores and utilizes information (ALL of this can be gleaned from eye movements);
d) When theyʼre lying or making information up.

After this initial round of information gathering, the “NLPer” begins to slowly and subtly mimic the client, taking on not only their body language but also their speech mannerisms, and will begin speaking with language patterns designed to target the clientʼs primary sense.

An NLP person essentially carefully fakes the social cues that cause a person to drop their guard and enter a state of openness and suggestibility.

For instance, a person predominantly focused on sight will be spoken to in language using visual metaphors —”Do you see what Iʼm saying?” “Look at it this way”— while a person for which hearing is the dominant sense will be spoken to in auditory language—”Hear me out,” “Iʼm listening to you closely.”

By mirroring body language and linguistic patterns, the NLPer is attempting to achieve one very specific response: rapport.

Rapport is the mental and physiological state that a human enters when they let their social guard down, and it is generally achieved when a person comes to the conclusion that the person theyʼre talking to is just like them.

See how that works, broadly? An NLP person essentially carefully fakes the social cues that cause a person to drop their guard and enter a state of openness and suggestibility.

Once rapport is achieved, the NLPer will then begin subtly leading the interaction. Having mirrored the other person, they can now make subtle changes to actually influence the other personʼs behavior. Combined with subtle language patterns, leading questions and a whole slew of other techniques, a skilled NLPer can at this point steer the other person wherever they like, as long as the other person isnʼt aware of whatʼs happening and thinks everything is arising organically, or has given consent.

That means itʼs actually fairly hard to use NLP to get people to act out-of-character, but it can be used for engineering responses within a personʼs normal range of behavior—like donating to a cause, making a decision they were putting off, or going home with you for the night if they might have considered it anyway.

From this point, the NLPer will seek to do two things—elicit  and anchor.

Eliciting happens when an NLPer uses leading and language to engineer an emotional state—for instance, hunger. Once a state has been elicited, the NLPer can then anchor it with a physical cue—for instance, touching your shoulder. In theory, if done right, the NLPer can then call up the hungry state any time they touch your shoulder in the same way. Itʼs conditioning, plain and simple.

How can I make sure nobody pulls this horse**** on me?

Iʼve had all kinds of people attempt to “NLP” me into submission, including multiple people Iʼve worked for over extended periods of time, and even people Iʼve been in relationships with. Consequently, Iʼve developed a pretty keen immune response to it. Iʼve also studied its mechanics very closely, largely to resist the nonsense of said people. Hereʼs a few key methods Iʼve picked up.  

10 Ways to Protect Yourself From Neuro-Linguistic Programming

1. Be extremely wary of people copying your body language.

If youʼre talking to somebody who may be into NLP, and you notice that theyʼre sitting in exactly the same way as you, or mirroring the way you have your hands, test them by making a few movements and seeing if they do the same thing. Skilled NLPers will be better at masking this than newer ones, but newer ones will always immediately copy the same movement. This is a good time to call people on their ****.

2. Move your eyes in random and unpredictable patterns.

Such NLP. So sociopathy. Wow.

This is freaking hilarious to do to troll NLPers. Especially in the initial stages of rapport induction, an NLP user will be paying incredibly close attention to your eyes. You may think itʼs because theyʼre intensely interested in what youʼre saying. They are, but not because they actually care about your thoughts: Theyʼre watching your eye movements to see how you store and access information.

In a few minutes, theyʼll not only be able to tell when youʼre lying or making something up, theyʼll also be able to figure out what parts of your brain youʼre using when youʼre speaking, which can then lead them to be so clued in to what youʼre thinking that they almost come across as having some kind of psychic insight into your innermost thoughts. A clever hack for this is just to randomly dart your eyes around—look up to the right, to the left, side to side, down... make it seem natural, but do it randomly and with no pattern.

This will drive an NLP person utterly nuts because youʼll be throwing off their calibration.

3. Do not let anybody touch you.

This is pretty obvious and kind of goes without saying in general. But letʼs say youʼre having a conversation with somebody you know is into NLP, and you find yourself in a heightened emotional state—maybe you start laughing really hard, or get really angry, or something similar—and the person youʼre talking to touches you while youʼre in that state.

They might, for instance, tap you on the shoulder. What just happened? They anchored you so that later, if they want to put you back into the state you were just in, they can (or so the wayward logic of NLP dictates) touch you in the same place. Just be like, oh hell no you did not.

4. Be wary of vague language.

One of the primary techniques that NLP took from Milton Erickson is the use of vague language to induce hypnotic trance. Erickson found that the more vague language is, the more it leads people into trance, because there is less that a person is liable to disagree with or react to. Alternately, more specific language will take a person out of trance. (Note Obamaʼs use of this specific technique in the “Change” campaign, a word so vague that anybody could read anything into it.)

5. Be wary of permissive language.

- “Feel free to relax.”
- “Youʼre welcome to test drive this car if you like.”
- “You can enjoy this as much as you like.”

Watch the f*k out for this. This was a major insight of pre-NLP hypnotists like Erickson: the best way to get somebody to do something, including going into a trance, is by allowing them to give you permission to do so.

Because of this, skilled hypnotists will NEVER command you outright to do something—i.e. “Go into a trance.” They WILL say things like “Feel free to become as relaxed as you like.”

6. Be wary of gibberish.

Nonsense phrases like “As you release this feeling more and more you will find yourself moving into present alignment with the sound of your success more and more.”

This kind of gibberish is the bread and butter of the pacing- and-leading phase of NLP; the hypnotist isnʼt actually saying anything, theyʼre just trying to program your internal emotional states and move you towards where they want you to go.

ALWAYS say “Can you be more specific about that” or “Can you explain exactly what you mean?”

This does two things: it interrupts this whole technique, and it also forces the conversation into specific language, breaking the trance-inducing use of vague language we discussed in #4.

7. Read between the lines.

NLP people will consistently use language with hidden or layered meanings.

For instance “Diet, nutrition and sleep with me are the most important things, donʼt you think?”

On the surface, if you heard this sentence quickly, it would seem like an obvious statement that you would probably agree with without much thought.

Yes, of course diet, nutrition and sleep are important things, sure, and this personʼs really into being healthy, thatʼs great.

But whatʼs the layered-in message? “Diet, nutrition and sleep with me are the most important things, donʼt you think?” Yep, and you just unconsciously agreed to it. Skilled NLPers can be incredibly subtle with this.

8. Watch your attention.

Be very careful about zoning out around NLP people—itʼs an invitation to leap in with an unconscious cue.

Hereʼs an example: An NLP user who was attempting to get me to write for his blog for free noticed I appeared not to be paying attention and was looking into the distance, and then started using the technique listed in #7 by talking about how he never has to pay for anything because media outlets send him review copies of books and albums for free. “Everything for free,” he began hissing at me. “I get everything. For. Free.” Obvious, no?

9. Donʼt agree to anything.

If you find yourself being led to make a quick decision on something, and feel youʼre being steered, leave the situation.

Wait 24 hours before making any decisions, especially financial ones. Do NOT let yourself get swept up into making an emotional decision in the spur of the moment. Sales people are armed with NLP techniques specifically for engineering impulse buys. Donʼt do it. Leave, and use your rational mind.

10. Trust your intuition.

And the foremost and primary rule: If your gut tells you somebody is ****ing with you, or you feel uneasy around them, trust it. NLP people almost always seem “off,” dodgy, or like used car salesmen. Flee, or request they show you the respect of not applying NLP techniques when interacting with you.

As a bonus, hereʼs a great video breaking down the use of NLP techniques by media outlets on both sides of the political spectrum, from FOX News to Stephen Colbert. It gets a bit into Christian conspiracy thinking, but is VERY good information.)

Total Breakdown of The Media's Use of NLP & Mind Control
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Published on Jun 21, 2013

Jonathan Adampants gives a full in-depth analysis of the mind manipulation and NLP (neuro-linguistic programming) techniques utilised by Fox News anchors Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes during an interview with Kevin Barrett about 9/11.

Noelle

26th February 2017, 15:12

KiwiElf

26th February 2017, 15:36

I agree with Hervé on this.

Does it remind anyone of the movie, "THEY LIVE"? (Unfortunately, no magic sunglasses to undo it!).

Such a carrier wave is capable of carrying subliminal messaging as are traditional audio/visual signals (ie radio & TV)... in fact anything using a "broadcasting signal", including cellphones, computers, tablets, smart meters and Wi-Fi. (Research the effectiveness of subliminal messaging and you may get conflicting info; as I recall from my studies eons ago, a first time exposure was in the vicinity of around 42% effective. Obviously not everyone is affected, just like hypnosis; it works at a subconscious level and that's why it was "officially banned" in advertising after Coca-Cola's early trials in movie theatres).

Now this could be a subtle thing; a certain frequency which sets off an "anger response" in certain people when exposed to a particular trigger (which could be anything, eg something that may, under normal circumstances, be moderately irritating, becomes full blown rage - whatever "upsets" that particular individual).

Getting back to the statement I made earlier, I'd add the symptoms described by other members are strikingly similar, particularly when you try and pin the Trump haters down on providing some evidence to back up their claims (they can't), or spew EXACTLY the SAME RHETORIC almost as if by rote (ie a bigot, rascist, anti-gay etc).

I'm not a big TV watcher myself, but am shocked at my own negative reaction to MSM "News" channels in particular, or any programming carrying advertising. (watch me do a Dr Jekyll /Mr Hyde impersonation in one second flat - problem is, the "negative feeling" it generates,... this "reaction" is very real!) Nor do I use a smart phone or social media (similar reaction).

Hervé

26th February 2017, 16:02

[...]
... But did it begin with the Trump-Clinton campaign or might it have started sooner, like during Obama's first term, with it building up through the second term?I think that programming started with the official presidential campaigns when "they" realized they gave Trump too much of a boost to get rid of Sanders and, therefore, that Trump might have a chance to win.

What was used with Obama was a different planet wide version with an implanting of Obama's name at a subconscious level which only a few sensitives were able to perceive (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan&p=640165&viewfull=1#post640165) and this one (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan&p=649232&viewfull=1#post649232))

Hervé

26th February 2017, 16:14

I agree with Hervé on this.
[...]
Getting back to the statement I made earlier, I'd add the symptoms described by other members are strikingly similar, particularly when you try and pin the Trump haters down on providing some evidence to back up their claims (they can't), or spew EXACTLY the SAME RHETORIC almost as if by rote (ie a bigot, rascist, anti-gay etc).
[...]Thanks! :)

I call them "Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)" (<---) (from my favorite example about the phenomenon)

Fellow Aspirant

26th February 2017, 19:23

Pastor busted after making
misleading Trump rally claims
Published on:
21 February 2017
By Marlin Bressi

Alt-left website plays fast and loose with the truth in story about Pastor Joel Tooley's experience in Melbourne

So, in what manner was this guy "busted"? Is someone implying that, as a non-supporter his views are fake? This article itself is firmly in the middle of the "fake news" river.

This is why I prefer to use the actual words of the speaker as the source. In reading his post, he is unequivocal in his reaction to what he experienced.

B.

Chester

26th February 2017, 21:22

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims-001491379.html

https://virginiapatriot1776.wordpress.com/2017/02/22/pastor-busted-after-making-misleading-trump-rally-claims/

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/watch-trump-backing-pastor-busted-by-cnn-host-for-lying-about-military-service-and-going-to-college/

can we say... "Hoax?"

fake... phony... fake

Hervé

26th February 2017, 21:56

Once upon a time, this thread had a topic... summarized in its title...

:focus:

Chester

26th February 2017, 22:53

Apologies, Herve... I actually thought I was in the Fake News thread.

Fellow Aspirant

27th February 2017, 02:39

Once upon a time, this thread had a topic... summarized in its title...

:focus:

Sorry for muddying the waters somewhat, Herve. (and I apologize for the missing accent :blushing:)

My purpose in including the pastor's letter was to bring up the possibility of Trump using some sort of conditioning to elicit huge emotional responses from his audience - albeit those based in anger. I thought the pastor was onto something, especially when he surmised the presence of demonic activity. Rhetorical techniques such as those Trump uses have been known since antiquity,(look up the origin of the word rhetoric :sherlock: but today we should be wary of the possible amplification of their effects by the use of electronic means.

That's why I used the Pastor's exact words so that everyone could read (and understand?) for themselves what his message truly was, without the "interpretations" or outright lies that our media (even the MSM) is so victimized by these days.

That said, one only has to observe the over-the-top anger reactions, even around here, when anyone posts something critical of Mr. Trump. It's kind of a "triggering" phenomenon. I think that such behaviour is fed by such fake news sites as those mentioned by Sam. And, of course Breitbart News. These sites started with the election of Obama, and it's pretty clear that they are now woven tightly into the fabric of our societies, so we had all better learn to deal with them.

This whole programming thing, though, leads me to wonder which came first: the anger or the manipulation of it? Is the anger itself an enhanced version of a more usual, subtle reaction to unpleasant events? The precursor to the anger is fear - an emotion our "controllers" have a long history with using against us.

Whatever the cause, we sure seem to lose our sh*t more easily these days.

Interesting times, indeed ...

B.

Feritciva

27th February 2017, 11:11

Dear people of Avalon,

Are you serious? So is Trump the name to get humanity out of "global elite's" hand? While we're at it, what about despotic right-wingers like Erdogan and Putin? Are they saviors too?

So, anything said or written against them or any anger against them is mind control orchestrated by global elite? Really? Seriously?

Good luck with that then...

Disapponitment goes deeper & deeper...

Feritciva, One of the "Controlled Ones" :gaah:

Hervé

27th February 2017, 16:12

:offtopic:

Right... This thread is attempting to address one aspect of what's happening on this planet as in the manipulation/triggering of pent-up anger towards specific targets with predictable outcomes.

The energy is directed at Trump, Putin, Erdogan, al-Assad or whoever... not Hillary, Soros, Netanyahu or Gulen and the Wahhabism promoters... nor at what/who has been ceaselessly working at creating situations which generates constant immigration floods all over said planet with wars and economic strangleholds.

Here is something that should get one onto the thinking starting blocks:

...
When I looked into who he [CIA’s Intelligence researcher] took assignments from, it was not primarily Tenet. The pattern was much the same as for the White House researcher. Most of his assignments, about 60% were coming from David Rockefeller. Only 10% were coming from Tenet. About 15% were coming from Bush and Cheney. Most of the rest were coming from the White House researcher. That piqued my interest. Why was the White House researcher not commissioning the studies directly?
...
The article was on how Middle Eastern countries were financially incompetent to manage their own accounting and banking affairs. No evidence was given for that assertion. It recommended that loans made to and from Middle Eastern banks to US corporations/banks under a certain size should be forced to go through banking structures that the US could control. The staffer calling in that assignment to the Professor had received a call within the hour from David Rockefeller. The staffer’s hand written notes from that call showed that he had faithfully transmitted Rockefeller’s instructions to the Professor. Those instructions included recommending that the World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements in Basel be used to give “the US oversight control”.

But as both of those institutions were controlled, not by the US govt. but by David Rockefeller, it gave the control to him, not the US Govt.. That is, unless one made the mistake of thinking that David Rockefeller was the US Govt.. It was a mistake that perhaps he had made subconsciously.
...
I guessed that the point of that propaganda stunt by Rockefeller was to set the stage for his taking over many banks in the Middle East later. It also seemed designed to cut out smaller companies from being able to compete with his own enterprises. It later prevented Iraqis and Afghanis from getting the loans they needed to rebuild themselves. It forced them to wait for US reconstruction by large US corporations. It was part of a set of US policies which put a stranglehold on their economies in practice. That often forced them to work for the US occupation of their country or watch their children starve to death.
...

:focus:

Hervé

13th March 2017, 03:17

PONERIZATION: How the American Republic was taken over by political cliques of criminally insane psychopaths
(http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=67314)
State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=67314)
Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:00 UTC

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Can the ponerological Deep State ever be fixed?

Ponerization (from ancient Greek poneros - evil), is a ponerological (https://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Ponerology) term coined by Dr. Andrzej M. Łobaczewski (https://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Andrew_M._Lobaczewski). Ponerization is the influence of pathological people on individuals and groups whereby they develop acceptance of pathological reasoning and values.[1]
It's high time for the American people to face a hard reality.

They have been under the ponerological influence of an unbroken succession of political cliques whose central organizing principle is the perpetual war economy.

Because the United States of America was stealthily transformed into the military arm of the New World Order, numerous unprovoked wars of aggression have been waged around the world for well over a hundred years. These highly destructive and deadly wars have been fought in the name of the American people, and with their tax dollars. Hence, the American people are complicit in these misadventures by virtue of their inaction and indifference.

With this critical understanding, the U.S. citizenry has a profound karmic responsibility in so much wanton death and destruction across the planet. Nevertheless, it is never too late to reverse the course of the "Psychopathocracy" that the U.S. Federal Government has become as a tool of Deep State.

Hence, the $64,000 question of 2017 is: Will President Trump put a stop to the wars? Will he terminate the perpetual war economy as he promised during the campaign season.

Trump's most important campaign promise

There were many significant promises that Candidate Trump made during the 2016 election cycle, but the single most important was his commitment to world peace and international cooperation. Making peace with Russia was the cornerstone of Trumpian foreign policy.

However, the real obstacle to the implementation of this popular and noble plan is the degree to which the body politic itself — on both sides of the political divide — have been irreversibly ponerized. Much more significantly, however, is the fact that the vast majority of the agents of Deep State have been purposefully ponerized.
When something or someone has become "Ponerized" in its strictest sense, it means that the person or group can no longer make the distinction between healthy and pathological thought processes and logic. One is no longer able to draw a line between correct thinking and deviant thinking.[1] The most glaring example of ponerization is the complete takeover of the Left by the infamous and incorrigible psychopath George Soros. It's not just the Soros machine that is at work here. There is in actuality a vast network of criminally insane psychopaths who are affiliated with th many Soros organizations, all of which are connected directly or indirectly to Deep State.

Of course, one need look no further than the 2016 campaign season to view the complete ponerization of the Democratic Party. Candidate Hillary R. Clinton and husband Bill, Campaign Chair John Podesta, President Barack Obama and wife Michelle, VP Joe Biden, Candidate Tim Kaine, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, et al. presented themselves as a cast of evil characters in a real life "film noir" where Edgar Allan Poe meets Franz Kafka.

Truly, it just can't get any more malevolent and ugly, nefarious and repugnant than what the whole world witnessed during the 2016 presidential campaign. The whole election cycle and period leading up to Inauguration Day was by far the most uncivil and outrageous in U.S. history.

But why? Really, why have things so degraded throughout civil society USA?

Ponerization:

The seemingly inexorable ponerization of American society by the political class and mainstream media, together with the international banksters and corporate lobbyists, hit a new low in 2016. In fact, the public discourse has so deteriorated, and basic social norms have been so violated, that 2017 will inevitably see a further degeneration.

The political status quo that President Trump now faces is one that seemed unimaginable before he entered the presidential race in July of 2015. This ever-worsening predicament has been methodically manufactured by the agents of Deep State through a deliberate process of ponerization. As a matter of fact, it is the various ponerological strategies and tactics employed by various "political cliques of criminally insane psychopaths" who are responsible for this rapidly devolving state of affairs.

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Here's how it works:
The Central Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.) forms the very backbone of Deep State. Only by understanding where the C.I.A. really came from, and how it was originally constituted, will the pervasiveness of post-modern ponerization be correctly comprehended. As follows:
"The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was a wartime intelligence agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agency) of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) during World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), and a predecessor of the modern Central Intelligence Agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA). The OSS was formed as an agency of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Chiefs_of_Staff) (JCS)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services#cite_note-4) to coordinate espionage activities behind enemy lines for all branches of the United States Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces). Other OSS functions included the use of propaganda, subversion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion), and post-war planning."[3] Given this historical reality that the OSS, and then the CIA, were all about coordinating espionage, disseminating propaganda, subversion, etc., it's easy to understand the type of individual who is drawn to such dubious work. "Dubious" because these nefarious activities are virtually always aimed at overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world which have not cooperated with the New World Order agenda.

Even more alarmingly, through the implementation of Operation Paperclip, the C.I.A. became the final home of so many Nazi operatives at the end of World War II. One of those Nazis was Reinhard Gehlen who is described on the CIA's website as follows:
"General Reinhard Gehlen, former head of Nazi intelligence operations against the Soviets, was hired by the US Army and later by the CIA to operate 600 ex-Nazi agents in the Soviet zone of occupied Germany. In 1948, CIA Director Roscoe Hillenkoetter assumed control of the so-called Gehlen Organization."[4] (Source: www.cia.gov (https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html)) What this page on the CIA website neglects to say is that Operation Paperclip (OP) brought many more high-level Nazis than the publicized scientists, engineers and technicians. Gen. Gehlen is a perfect example of those high-ranking intelligence assets who not only came to the United States unimpeded, they carved out a very special niche within the American intelligence community.

The real OP back story is well beyond the scope of this article; however; suffice it to say that recruits like Gehlen came to occupy some of the most powerful positions within the C.I.A., as well as within other black budgeted, super-secret intelligence agencies. These nameless agencies did their clandestine work without any oversight whatsoever. The "Reinhard Gehlen" story is an example of how one man thoroughly corrupted the entire C.I.A. with his Nazi philosophy, intelligence-gathering strategies and recruitment policies.

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"Nazi Recruitment Policies"
This is where the ponerization of American government accelerated at an unprecedented rate. Because the Soviet threat was used to scare the heck out of everyone post World War II by those who ran the C.I.A., it could be effectively utilized it to keep everyone in line. The Nazi regime in Germany was genuinely afraid of the Communist leadership of the USSR. Some historians have even posited that Adolf Hitler attacked Russia as a result of this abiding fear and loathing of all things having to do with Marxism and Communism. It was the relentless cultivation of this same fearful attitude stateside that was responsible for creating the philosophical basis for the Cold War, especially as it was aggressively promoted by The Company (as the C.I.A. is known in intelligence circles).

What's the point?
The critical point here is that the hiring policies of the CIA (and NSA, DIA, DHS and all the other 13 US intelligence agencies) have grown out of this environment of fear and trepidation, paranoia and suspicion. Whenever this is the case, those in charge will always lean toward the recruitment and hiring of individuals who are just like them. Because the leaders of the C.I.A. were so heavily influenced by the OP-recruited Nazis, they adopted their screening process for all future agents and managers.

In this fashion, CIA agents were routinely hired who would follow any and all orders unquestioningly. By and large each successive crop of agents had to prove that they would do whatever was necessary to carry out their intelligence-gathering missions and/or black operations. The many psyops conducted by the C.I.A. particularly demanded that the agents completely suspend their conscience during the execution of many of those psychological operations.

It's well known throughout intelligence communities worldwide that the 'best' spooks are those who are willing to do whatever is necessary to accomplish their mission, no matter how vile or immoral. This is what they do. They are totally divorced from the consequences of their actions because they have been empowered by a thoroughly ponerized institution (CIA) which they are told can do no wrong. As an organ of the U.S. Federal Government, the C.I.A. is fully protected from prosecution. So are the overseas field agents, unless they violate laws of foreign nations which they do all the time. They just are never caught. Or, if they are caught, they are allowed to get away with the law-breaking because the victimized country does not want to end up like Afghanistan ... or Iraq ... or Libya ... or Syria ... or the Ukraine.

Why the C.I.A. must be dissolved
The crucial factoid here is that like usually hires like. A psychopath will almost always bend toward recruiting like-minded psychopaths. A sociopath will do the same. Nazis are much more comfortable hiring Nazis, just as Communists are in hiring Communists. Hence, the C.I.A. has now undergone many decades of recruiting folks who fit the profile of a spook who has little or no conscience and who habitually exhibits the following characteristics:

glib and superficial charm.
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self.
need for stimulation.
pathological lying.
cunning and manipulativeness.
lack of remorse or guilt.
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy.
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility[5]

All of these personality traits in the aggregate basically define a psychopath. Therefore, when the C.I.A. has only recruited and hired psychopaths (and sociopaths) since the mid 1940s, what can be expected of such an intelligence agency. That's right, it will eventually become a stupid agency which is exactly what occurred under the misguided leadership of former CIA Director John Brennan. He's the ex-spook who actually oversaw the leaking of classified intelligence so it could be strategically used against a sitting POTUS—President Trump!

Because the current C.I.A. organization has been fastidiously staffed in this manner, it has become the most ponerized institution in modern history. Hence, the C.I.A. has been used as the premier organ of ponerization throughout in the USA and the world-at-large. All the C.I.A. ever has to do to justify any scheme it wants to implement anywhere, anytime is to invoke 'national security'. In this fashion the C.I.A. has become an incorrigibly rogue agency empowered to destroy and demolish, subvert and undermine, sabotage and disrupt at will.
"There is only one way to effectively deal with a criminally insane psychopath - you don't" [6]
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Special Note:
The Trump Administration appears to be different from all previous administrations, except that there are still numerous agents of Deep State scattered around the Executive Branch. This predicament poses the single greatest obstacle to the President's goal to "Make America Great Again". It's well known within the realm of psychology and psychiatry that the most effective way to deal with a psychopath is to NOT deal them. As long as they are in the position to exert their malevolent influence, they will quite naturally wreck and ruin everything they touch. Given this inviolable law of psychopathy, the POTUS would be well advised to weed out every Zionist, Neocon, Jesuit, warmonger, globalist, NWO agent, RINO, etc. post haste. It only takes one ill-placed psychopath to take down the whole administration. Which is why extremely dangerous Neocon warmongers like John Bolton have absolutely no place in the U.S. Department of State. (Got that, Steve Bannon?!)

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Conclusion
In case you haven't noticed, the whole place has been systematically ponerized.

Because the C.I.A. owns and operates the entire Mainstream Media (MSM), it has been ponerized to a great extent. Just look at the anchors on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, as well as the Pulitzer prizewinning authors at the WashPo, NYT, WSJ, USA Today, etc.

Because the C.I.A. (and NSA and DIA) control the U.S. Congress, it has been irreversibly ponerized. So has the Supreme Court, and, to an even greater extent, the leadership of the Federal Reserve System. Likewise, many flag officers, who have been chosen for promotion over decades to lead the U.S. Armed Forces, fit the ponerized profile perfectly. This is precisely why the USA has functioned as the military arm of the New World Order since World War I.

Because the C.I.A. (along with the FBI and NSA) monitor everything that goes on within the Executive Branch of the US government, much of the key personnel has been duly ponerized. Of course, this changes with each incoming administration as it did under President Trump. Nevertheless, the massive pool of government service workers, who operate at a certain level of leadership and above, have been hopelessly ponerized.

The same can be said for many corporate CEOs, COOs and CFOs, especially within the Military-Industrial Complex. When the vast majority of Fortune 1000 companies are led by folks who fit the very same profile, what can be expected but more of the same—ponerization. Going even beyond that grouping, there is the relentless ponerization of the much larger Government-Corporate Complex.

Even university presidents and chancellors, think tank directors, brain-trust executives, research institution heads are not at all immune to the corrosive effects of irreparable ponerization.

Remember, all it takes is one strategically placed, decision-making PSYCHOPATH at the top of any pyramid organization to corrupt the whole bloody institution. Just look at those who were chosen by the C.I.A. to lead the many IT corporations (e.g. Microsoft, Apple, Intel, Google) and social network giants (e.g. Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit).

Now that the reader is grimly aware of the systematic ponerization of American society, its continual exposure can assist with a de-ponerization process. However, such a major rehab can only take place when the U.S. citizenry firmly resolves to hold accountable those who are behind the entire ponerological scheme. In other words when the ponerized agents of Deep State are more afraid of We the People than they are of their hidden masters of PONERIZATION, things will really start to change for the better.

Perhaps it's time to grab those torches and pitchforks!

State of the Nation (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=67314)
March 2, 2017

Editor's Note
Many armchair analysts have suggested that the C.I.A. cannot be shut down; that the MSM should be reformed not terminated. This article makes it clear why both institutions, along with the FED, must be closed down—FOREVER. Each of these entities is rotten to the core and cannot be salvaged to any meaningful degree. Only by starting something brand new, free of all the toxic baggage being stored in their deep closets, can the nation begin anew. Most of these commentators don't know what they don't know. If they did, they would likely be leading the charge up the hill at Langley, VA. For it is the unrelenting ponerization by the C.I.A. alone (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=63299) that will eventually vitiate everything it touches.
The 3 Pillars of Deep State Must Be Knocked Down Post Haste (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=66083)

Recommended Reading
The C.I.A. And Deep State Conspiracy Finally Exposed (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/01/the-c-i-a-and-deep-state-conspiracy-finally-exposed/)

Source
[1] Ponerization (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/03/ponerization-is-a-ponerological-term-coined-by-dr-andrzej-m-lobaczewski/)

[2] What does it mean to be "ponerized"? (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/03/what-does-it-mean-to-be-ponerized/)

[3] Office of Strategic Services (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services)

[4] Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program to Bring Nazi Scientists to America (https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol-58-no-3/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america.html)

[5] How To Identify A Psychopath (http://thehealthcoach1.com/?p=5396)

[6] An Open Letter to President Putin and the Russian Military High Command (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=39515)

References

PONERIZATION: THE U.S. POWER STRUCTURE HAS NORMALIZED A CULTURE OF DEVIANCE (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/03/43961/)
'PONERIZED SOCIETY: WEALTH BREEDS NARCISSISM AND PSYCHOPATHIC BEHAVIOR' — SOTT (http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/03/ponerized-society-wealth-breeds-narcissism-and-psychopathic-behavior-sott/)
Psychopathy and ponerization in America (http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=67371)

Hervé

15th March 2017, 21:44

Keeping at doing the rounds in trying to understand this "What the hell happened?" that in spite of rigged voting machines and a flood of non-existant voters, Trump managed to get so many votes to overcome all obstacles, dams, levees and sinkholes?

What happened to the people that decided them to vote en-masse and "thisitway" rather than "thataway"?

Well, it seems there is a consensus rising from the election's ashes and that's the one about the "inner fascist," AKA "authoritarian" button that got pushed/triggered whether that was intentional or inadvertent:

What It Is About Authoritarianism That's Drawn So Many People in? (https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/what-it-is-about-authoritarianism-that-has-drawn-so-many-people-in)

By TM (https://www.vice.com/en_uk/contributor/tshepo-mokoena) Tshepo Mokoena (https://www.vice.com/en_uk/contributor/tshepo-mokoena)
Dec 27 2016, 2:15am

The death penalty and sex crimes have had more to do with the psychology of this year's lurch to the right than you might think.

There's a fascist in every one of us. Yeah, you too. At least that's the thrust of an argument first made in the 1930s by an Austrian psychoanalyst who studied under Freud, developed theories on politics and sexuality that infuriated both communists and Nazis, and eventually came to the conclusion that you're more likely to warm to the idea of fascism if you're sexually repressed. Wilhelm Reich (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-american-quest-to-kill-wilhelm-reich-and-orgonomy), to put it mildly, pissed a lot of people off.

But before his theory linked fascism to stifled orgasms, Reich posited his idea on right-wing nationalism in his 1933 text The Mass Psychology of Fascism (http://www.relatedness.org/Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism.pdf).
"My medical experience with individuals from all kinds of social strata, races, nationalities and religions showed me that 'fascism' is only the politically organised expression of the average human character structure," he wrote,

"a character structure which has nothing to do with this or that race, nation or party but which is general and international. In this characterological sense, 'fascism' is the basic emotional attitude of man in authoritarian society."
Meaning the way we defer to authorities – first our parents, then our teachers, then our bosses and so on – bakes a potential predilection for fascism into every society.

Fast forward to 2016. It's been a year when we've struggled to even verbalise the direction in which western politics has drifted. Some call this wave of anti-establishment surprise election results and anti-immigrant sentiment a form of right-wing populism. Others, a pivot towards conservatism, or perhaps nationalism. People first started using the word "fascist" to describe Donald Trump in 2015 (http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124), before he was even made Republican presidential nominee. We've ended up with a load of different ways to try to express a basic concept: there are lots of people worried about safety and security who want the firm hand of an authoritarian state to shield them from the perceived trauma of globalisation, migration and international terrorism.

Left-wing politics as we've come to know it – centred on the ideas of welfare, openness to other nation states and accepting multiculturalism – has lost ground to a politics steeped in law and order with just a touch of protectionism. And as Reich observed in the 1930s, cash-strapped, overworked people who feel afraid can vote (some against their interests) to pick authoritarianism over liberalism.

But the question is why? Just what is it about, say, Brexit or Trump that psychologically appeals to millions? Voting emotionally isn't really understood, and we easily descend into damaging stereotyping – "'Little England' northerners voted to Leave" or "out-of-touch London elites voted Remain" – rather than proper analysis. But Birkbeck University of London Politics Professor Eric Kaufmann (http://www.bbk.ac.uk/politics/our-staff/academic/eric-kaufmann) quickly discovered a unifying thread running through the types of people more likely to want out of the EU. And it had nothing to do with class, wealth or location.

"Culture and personality, not material circumstances, separate Leave and Remain voters," he wrote (http://www.bbk.ac.uk/sshp/politics/news/BirkbeckDepartmentofPoliticsBrexitBriefing.pdf) the day of the referendum result. "This is not a class conflict so much as a values divide that cuts across lines of age, income, education and even party." And those values relate more to authoritarianism.

When looking at a 2015 British Election Study survey of 24,000 white Brits, the probability of someone voting Leave leapt to 73 percent if they were in favour of the death penalty (http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/graph/?id=8794#.WFgNW6KLTVr). Similarly, if they responded to wanting to see people who commit sex crimes "publicly whipped, or worse", they were much more likely to want out of the EU. On the other hand, the probability of voting Leave hovered at about 14 percent for those who said they were opposed to the death penalty. Boiled down, those more likely to favour a tough-on-crime, conservative approach to punishment leaned towards wanting Brexit.

This not only explodes the idea that the white working class somehow voted as a monolithic bloc in favour of leaving the EU, but also hints at why times of economic and social upheaval push populations towards the right.
"Right-wing authoritarianism is on a level of psychology almost," says Kaufmann, speaking over the phone.

"In one population you're not going to have one response – it's not like 'all whites' are going to say no to immigration. What you have are one group of whites, to put it crudely, interested in change and novelty and experience. They're quite accepting of change, or even embrace it. Another group see the world as a dangerous place and want to be protected from it – they embrace law and order."
Though Kaufmann noticed this in June, more data seemed to confirm it elsewhere. In November, YouGov data from from 12,000 people (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/trump-brexit-front-national-afd-branches-same-tree/) polled showed that authoritarian populist ideas – once consigned to the margins – were held by about half the population in eight out of 12 European countries. In Britain this figure was at 48 percent, though 20 percent of those polled self-identified as "right-wing". Many still ascribed to an opposition to human rights (itself a deeply counterintuitive view, surely) and anti-immigration views backed by support for strong foreign policy. From Romania to the Netherlands to Poland, a particular value system appears to be on the rise.

Academics have tried to define it for years. In the 1980s, now-retired psychology professor Bob Altemeyer (http://theauthoritarians.org/about/) came up with his own extension of a 1940s right-wing authoritarian scale, which is exactly what it sounds like: a sort of ranking system to make sense of why people gravitate towards the right. It encompasses traits like a submission to authority, aggression towards outsiders and loving social norms or traditions. Though Kaufmann isn't a fan of the term "right-wing authoritarianism" he acknowledges its complexities.
"There are really two types: one, social dominance, who really believe in survival of the fittest; and two, those who are fearful and seek order and security and routine," he says.
That bid for comfort feels magnified when life is hard – i.e. during the Great Depression, before World War Two and in today's post-recession uncertainty.
"At the moment, people do not perceive their future as vivid or certain," says Dr Simon Moss (http://www.cdu.edu.au/pcs/staff-profiles/simon-moss), associate professor in psychology at Charles Darwin University.

"Because of this uncertainty, they tend to prioritise their immediate needs over their future goals." In turn, that leads to a heightened response to perceived threats.

"When people bias their attention to information that aligns with their preferences and preconceptions," Moss continues, "they tend to perceive their own group as superior and other groups as inferior. That is, they want to feel better rather than seek accurate information. Consequently, prejudices are rife. They gravitate to leaders that reinforce these prejudices. Brexit and Trump follow."
Academic Matthew MacWilliams pointed this out as early as January (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533), in relation to Trump. Again, authoritarianism looks to be the unifying factor among the president-elect's supporters.
"Authoritarians obey," MacWilliams wrote.

"They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to 'make America great again' by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations."
And that's where the appeal lies. A strongman becomes both a comfort blanket and a stern, trusted figurehead. They're the ones who can help people "take back control of their borders" or make their country great again. And if there's apparently a little fascist inside each of us, that may be just what they want to hear.

Related:
The rise of American authoritarianism (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism) by Amanda Taub (http://www.vox.com/authors/amanda-taub) on March 1, 2016
A niche group of political scientists may have uncovered what's driving Donald Trump's ascent. What they found has implications that go well beyond 2016.

The Authoritarian Personality (https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1957/authoritarian.htm) - Erich Fromm 1957

Helene West

18th March 2017, 04:56

I just read the original post from February 25th. Very interesting article.

My question is:
Let's say hypothetically it's the end of the 4 years of trump.
The economy didn't collapse as predicted by so many, trump didn't repeal roe vs wade, there were no lynchings by white supremacists, there was no wwIII or nuclear holocaust, the wall got postponed or some less dramatic facsimile was decided on, so do the masses of libs stop going to shrinks emoting on and on over trump? do the riots finally calm down or stop? does the hatred and comparisons of him to Hitler over social media finally calm down?

I don't think they will. Because what has been triggered was put there before trump... And so far, no one can figure what was planted in people waiting for the correct trigger...
We know the trigger obviously - but we don't know what was planted.
So at the end of the 4 years as described above, does it calm down with the libs, leftists, etc?

Hervé

18th March 2017, 18:22

I have no idea... it all depends on: do the orchestrators get their expected reaction(s) in order to submit their ready-made solution(s)?

One can get a glimpse of what reactions are expected with their MSM keeping clamoring uncertainties about the future in order to keep large swaths of the population in the fear band of the emotional spectrum.

See this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96670-Why-the-main-stream-media-got-Trump-elected-to-divide-Americans&p=1140976&viewfull=1#post1140976