'Maybe' our one chance to save America, and the world.

[barneythez]

Hello Avalonians,
I know the title sounds far fetched, maybe even delusional, and I know I can be gullible, but I believe in what I'm asking, so I'll put whatever reputation I have on the line.
A gentleman by the name of Robert David Steele is asking for anyone who believes in him to sign a petition. If you don't know who this guy is, then please research him on the internet. Here is a interview he did with Richie Allen to get you familiar with who he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zusJkFxztw

He is requesting a few moments of time with President Trump. He along with a few others including Ron Paul. There is a small window of opportunity in which we can rid ourselves of the deep state, and give power back to the people of this nation. I hope I'm not crossing the line in asking this. If so, then I expect the Mods, or Bill to erase this post, and I ask for forgiveness. But Robert Steele needs 100,000 signatures. I've listened to most of his youtube videos, and visited his websites. He seems legit. Here is a link to his websites.

http://phibetaiota.net
http://robertdavidsteele.com

If you think he is on target, then here is a link to his petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/memo4trump-100-not-27-unity-act-against-deep-state-now

Thank you for your time.

Barney Zenizo

[Latti]

I didn't vote for President Trump and some of his tweets reminds me of how I acted in grammar school, but now that he's President, I wish him well and hope that he's successful.

It is concerning to hear that the President's own staff are working against him.

I had not heard of Mr. Steele before this week and he didn't provide any supporting evidence of his claims. What he's saying may be absolutely true, but I'm not one to sign a petition based only on the word of someone that I don't know.

If other PA members that I know and respect, vouch for Mr. Steele, then I might feel differently.

[Noelle]

I am aware of Steele, but don't know that much about him. I am interested in finding out what will be discussed if they get the meeting. Also, do the names of signers of White House petitions become public information? I'm thinking yes.

[barneythez]

Hello LadyM
At this point in time, I don't care if my name goes public. I'm tired of waiting in the shadows to speak my mind. If they come after me.....so be it, maybe they'll leave someone else alone.
What he wants to say is all on his website phibetaiota.
Thanks for the reply;)

[Noelle]

Hello LadyM
At this point in time, I don't care if my name goes public. I'm tired of waiting in the shadows to speak my mind. If they come after me.....so be it, maybe they'll leave someone else alone.
What he wants to say is all on his website phibetaiota.
Thanks for the reply;)

Hello: I've no problem putting my name on the petition either. I put that in there for those who may not want or be ready to go public. I want to learn a little more about Steele before signing. I'll check out the resources that you've posted tonight and tomorrow. Thanks for sharing the petition!

[Noelle]

Hello LadyM
At this point in time, I don't care if my name goes public. I'm tired of waiting in the shadows to speak my mind. If they come after me.....so be it, maybe they'll leave someone else alone.
What he wants to say is all on his website phibetaiota.
Thanks for the reply;)

Hello: I've no problem putting my name on the petition either. I put that in there for those who may not want or be ready to go public. I want to learn a little more about Steele before signing. I'll check out the resources that you've posted tonight and tomorrow. Thanks for sharing the petition!

I signed it. Thanks, again.

[barneythez]

Thank you LadyM

[barneythez]

I think I've been forgotten, but that OK!!!
Bill took over. I take that as a compliment.

[RobertDavidSteele]

Folks, Barry asked me to join and I am honored to have been accepted. The petition is the tip of the iceberg, I have 30 years work visible at http://robertdavidsteele.com, the blog I manage is http://phibetaiota.net, and my brief presidential bid for the Reform Party (I am a registered Libertarian but consider the Libertarian leadership to be absolutist idiots and all parties including the Libertarian Party to be toxic) is at http://bigbatusa.org. I have registered but not activated alt-gov.org and am talking with Cynthia McKinney among others about launching a nation-wide campaign for electoral reform in time to put a swing vote into Congressi in 2018, and then running as a coalition team of Independents in 2020. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ellen Brown, Ralph Nader, Jesse Ventura -- there is a place for everyone who believes as I do that there is nothing wrong with America the Beautiful that cannot be fixed, and fixed quick, by restoring INTEGRITY to our electoral process and thus to our government, economy, and society.

This link shows the vanishing votes at the petition -- we have 600 showing now I am pretty sure 3,000 have been cast -- and provides some references. In 30 minutes I am on a show that got 186,000 views in 5 days when I first appeared, we are going to try to get 100,000 votes cast between now and Wednesday. Here is the bottom line: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Deep State is our common enemy, and Donald Trump for all his flaws is our legitimate president and has the power to mobilize us all to achieve this victory. Steve Bannon is fighting me, I am told but may finally be opening up to the possibility that I know stuff he does not. Trump is an accidental and fringe president (27% voted for him) and he needs my ideas in the Memorandum for the President if he is to survive and then succeed. The petition is a last ditch attempt to get him to "take a meeting."

Here is a list that provides a graphic of the vanishing votes; a direct link to the petition, and below the folk, several key references.

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/white-house-petition-for-unity-act/

It would be way cool if 100 of you could agree to vote at a given time, and then see if your 100 votes register.

I will try to visit regularly but I am swamped. Happy to answer questions. Feel free to email me directly at robert.david.steele.vivas@gmail.com with a question and then port my answer back here. My time is stretched very thin right now, and I leave for Norway on the 14th. We have until the 12th to help Donald Trump awaken to the possibilities.

[uzn]

just signed it ;)

[Flash]

Folks, Barry asked me to join and I am honored to have been accepted. The petition is the tip of the iceberg, I have 30 years work visible at http://robertdavidsteele.com, the blog I manage is http://phibetaiota.net, and my brief presidential bid for the Reform Party (I am a registered Libertarian but consider the Libertarian leadership to be absolutist idiots and all parties including the Libertarian Party to be toxic) is at http://bigbatusa.org. I have registered but not activated alt-gov.org and am talking with Cynthia McKinney among others about launching a nation-wide campaign for electoral reform in time to put a swing vote into Congressi in 2018, and then running as a coalition team of Independents in 2020. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ellen Brown, Ralph Nader, Jesse Ventura -- there is a place for everyone who believes as I do that there is nothing wrong with America the Beautiful that cannot be fixed, and fixed quick, by restoring INTEGRITY to our electoral process and thus to our government, economy, and society.

This link shows the vanishing votes at the petition -- we have 600 showing now I am pretty sure 3,000 have been cast -- and provides some references. In 30 minutes I am on a show that got 186,000 views in 5 days when I first appeared, we are going to try to get 100,000 votes cast between now and Wednesday. Here is the bottom line: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Deep State is our common enemy, and Donald Trump for all his flaws is our legitimate president and has the power to mobilize us all to achieve this victory. Steve Bannon is fighting me, I am told but may finally be opening up to the possibility that I know stuff he does not. Trump is an accidental and fringe president (27% voted for him) and he needs my ideas in the Memorandum for the President if he is to survive and then succeed. The petition is a last ditch attempt to get him to "take a meeting."

Here is a list that provides a graphic of the vanishing votes; a direct link to the petition, and below the folk, several key references.

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/white-house-petition-for-unity-act/

It would be way cool if 100 of you could agree to vote at a given time, and then see if your 100 votes register.

I will try to visit regularly but I am swamped. Happy to answer questions. Feel free to email me directly at robert.david.steele.vivas@gmail.com with a question and then port my answer back here. My time is stretched very thin right now, and I leave for Norway on the 14th. We have until the 12th to help Donald Trump awaken to the possibilities.

Another one that the President needs to hear, in my opinion, is Catherine Austin Fitts, for her very good understanding of the economic oligarchy. After or at the same time of an electoral reform.

I do not think that non American signing of petition would do any good, but if it did, I would sign.

[Sierra]

Just read: http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/robert-steele-memorandum-for-the-president-warning-on-american-spring-riots-eight-actions-to-make-america-great-again/

I think I'm in love... :inlove: (well, grasping any straws I can...)

Viva the Middle!

Praying for your success, Mr. Steele. :)

Regards (and welcome!)

(I signed... )

[Deega]

I signed the petition, all for it, thanks Robert, and thanks Barney to bring it in!

[bennycog]

and signed :)

[Fellow Aspirant]

Are non-Americans eligible for this?

B.

[Innocent Warrior]

Let us know if non American signatures can help and that time to do it simultaneously and I'll sign.

Thanks for inviting Robert, Barry (Barney?).

[Chester]

I signed and the number needed remained the same. Strange huh?

EDIT added: Ohhh and I did verify my vote at the time I signed it.

[Chris411]

Can anyone knowledgeable about the issue please answer the question whether foreigners can sign in general petitions addressed to the White House. Although I already signed Mike Adams petition about the abuse of Google towards Natural News (the blacklisting of naturalnews.com on the Google search engine). I felt like I needed to urgently jump in for Mike as my personal acknowledgement for the great work he is doing in helping humanity not only on health matters but freedom as well.
Thanks.

Chris

[Bubu]

post deleted.

just saw an update from Robert that makes the post irrelevant

[barneythez]

To all, I asked Robert about being a non citizen, this was his reply.....
I do not know. On balance I prefer to err on the side of asking only citizens to sign, but non-citizens, or intended future citizens can probably sign without prerjudice. It is not a very clever system.

[barneythez]

Well, we can welcome Robert with open arms, the fact of the matter is, is that he needs our help. I'm putting this on Ryans post and mine. This is not about us, this man is trying to save literally the world, and there will be no place to hide when SHTF. This is a global problem. It is my intension to try to help this man. He says he's leaving for Norway on the 12th of March. If he doesn't get a meeting with Trump before that time, he says he's done. I take that to mean that we are all done as well. There is going to be a civil war in this nation that will reverberate across the globe. Enough of the 'welcomes' and let's brainstorm this dilemma if we can. Bubu is right, the petition is irrelevant, it's rigged, and we'll never get to the 100,000 signatures required. There has to be another way. WE have 12 days to find a solution. This is now our window of opportunity, and it's slipping by fast. Unless of course a miracle falls out of the sky, and I'm not waiting for that. We need something tangible.
Am I just ranting? Am I the only one to see this....Is my paranoia getting the better of me?
Please advise.

[Satori]

[QUOTE=barneythez;1137454]To all, I asked Robert about being a non citizen, this was his reply.....
I do not know. On balance I prefer to err on the side of asking only citizens to sign, but non


I doubt that the petition finds its roots in any statute, rule, or regulation and, as such, there are no essential elements that need to be complied with. By the same token the petition will not have any legal effect. By comparison, petitions for public office, such as state court judges, state legislatures, Congress and the like are the creatures of statutes, rules and regulations and have strict guidelines about who can, and who cannot sign a petition, e.g., 18 years of age, registered voters, residents of the state...

My sense and understanding is that the petition under discussion here is more of a social statement and a call for an audience with the President. If I am correct, it does not matter who signs the petition, US citizen or a citizen from other countries. No signature will "void" the petition, and no signature will make it legally binding. It seems to me the more signatures the merrier. But, no one would be under any legal compulsion to honor the petition or take any action in connection with it.

[boolacalaca]

Given the fact that this petition site is either profoundly kludgy, Deep State hacked, or programmatically incapable of tallying petitioner votes correctly -- why would such an important matter be left to this? If in fact the fate of the Union and perhaps the safety and security of world civilization depends on this message getting through, then I would think creative minds with decades of experience and social connections in counterintelligence and the Clandestine Service would have better resources to get this done. The scope and intensity of the issue doesn't seem to fit with the method employed. I agree with much that Mr. Steele says. That's why I'm dismayed at this approach.

[Bubu]

Given the fact that this petition site is either profoundly kludgy, Deep State hacked, or programmatically incapable of tallying petitioner votes correctly -- why would such an important matter be left to this? If in fact the fate of the Union and perhaps the safety and security of world civilization depends on this message getting through, then I would think creative minds with decades of experience and social connections in counterintelligence and the Clandestine Service would have better resources to get this done. The scope and intensity of the issue doesn't seem to fit with the method employed. I agree with much that Mr. Steele says. That's why I'm dismayed at this approach.

yes totally agree with you what we need to do is go out there and show/do our support no matter how small it may seem. well a lot of small is equal to huge.

[7alon]

Hmm I think I'll sign anyway because America has influence on the entire world . The way I see it, we should all be allowed to show we support a meeting with Trump.

Not saying Robert said that we can't btw, just stating my opinion.

Update: guys I just signed not long ago, I actually got an email saying I need to confirm my signature. Just letting everybody know that your vote may not register until you confirm it. :)

[bennycog]

Hmm I think I'll sign anyway because America has influence on the entire world . The way I see it, we should all be allowed to show we support a meeting with Trump.

Not saying Robert said that we can't btw, just stating my opinion.

Update: guys I just signed not long ago, I actually got an email saying I need to confirm my signature. Just letting everybody know that your vote may not register until you confirm it. :)

Yes that is correct make sure you check your spam mail.. Only 1039 signatures showing up when i just checked :( If i put this out to any of my friends i will only get ridicule or have to explain for a month before they would even touch it.. and i have like 1000 friends on that stupid FB.... maybe we need to talk to someone we might know who produces you tube videos to put it on there.. like MR DOOM if anyone knows him. He does good collages of news reports.. Why is Alex Jones not touching this?

[Eram]

Why is Alex Jones not touching this?

I don't know.
Has he even been asked to?

[Bubu]

There has to be another way. WE have 12 days to find a solution. This is now our window of opportunity, and it's slipping by fast. Unless of course a miracle falls out of the sky, and I'm not waiting for that. We need something tangible. Am I just ranting? Am I the only one to see this....Is my paranoia getting the better of me? Please advise.

There is another way... and there is plenty of time to accomplish it. You must look within yourself for a solution. It is easy to become panicked or driven be fear when we see the external world breaking down. It's been breaking down, and rebuilding, for a very very long time.

Einstein said, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

To my estimation, you are attempting to change this system of government at a physical level, when the people that run it are working from a deep understanding of human psychology and (warped) spirituality. So, you're going to take back a government in the next 12 days, from a group of people who have been running it for thousands of years ago for the very purpose of controlling the masses? The system is still operating exactly as it was intended. Have you every asked yourself how our American constitutional government, "the greatest nation ever created", went from freedom to it's current state in less than 250 years, a mere blip on the timeline of humanity? How could such a great system degenerate so quickly?

It's great that you're passionate and working to make America great again, I don't want to discourage you from that path. My advice is to try and center yourself, don't only look for external solutions to these problems. Look internally, within yourself for solutions - improve your mental, physical, and emotional health - keep reading and researching, work on making changes at a local level - follow your heart. Change your perspective and you will see you have lots of time to make these changes, starting with oneself, slowly the transformation will happen and greater freedom will follow.

While it is important to keep[ individual self centered. this "look with in" have been abuse and misuse that it tends to disconnect rather than unify. isnt looking around looking within the human family? isnt working with others working within the human the family? Im afraid this "look within" will be use as an excuse to not work with others for common good. and the truth of the matter is that it is very difficult to keep centered in this chaotic world we will need to devote at least 50% of our efforts to keep centered. and that when the collective falls everyone falls with it no matter how centered we maybe.

[Chester]

There has to be another way. WE have 12 days to find a solution. This is now our window of opportunity, and it's slipping by fast. Unless of course a miracle falls out of the sky, and I'm not waiting for that. We need something tangible. Am I just ranting? Am I the only one to see this....Is my paranoia getting the better of me? Please advise.

There is another way... and there is plenty of time to accomplish it. You must look within yourself for a solution. It is easy to become panicked or driven be fear when we see the external world breaking down. It's been breaking down, and rebuilding, for a very very long time.

Einstein said, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

To my estimation, you are attempting to change this system of government at a physical level, when the people that run it are working from a deep understanding of human psychology and (warped) spirituality. So, you're going to take back a government in the next 12 days, from a group of people who have been running it for thousands of years ago for the very purpose of controlling the masses? The system is still operating exactly as it was intended. Have you every asked yourself how our American constitutional government, "the greatest nation ever created", went from freedom to it's current state in less than 250 years, a mere blip on the timeline of humanity? How could such a great system degenerate so quickly?

It's great that you're passionate and working to make America great again, I don't want to discourage you from that path. My advice is to try and center yourself, don't only look for external solutions to these problems. Look internally, within yourself for solutions - improve your mental, physical, and emotional health - keep reading and researching, work on making changes at a local level - follow your heart. Change your perspective and you will see you have lots of time to make these changes, starting with oneself, slowly the transformation will happen and greater freedom will follow.

and... Joe's follow up post -



While it is important to keep individual self centered. this "look with in" have been abuse and misuse that it tends to disconnect rather than unify. isnt looking around looking within the human family? isn't working with others working within the human the family? I'm afraid this "look within" will be use as an excuse to not work with others for common good. and the truth of the matter is that it is very difficult to keep centered in this chaotic world we will need to devote at least 50% of our efforts to keep centered. and that when the collective falls everyone falls with it no matter how centered we maybe.

Yes, looking within can be used as an excuse for not engaging in the physical world. But do not misrepresent my words. Balance is the key to maintaining one's center and growing. And unity in community cannot occur until unity within has first occurred.

By all means do engage in the world around you, do not withdraw; however, engage fearlessly with your head and heart also fully in the game. The perception of time passing more quickly is because change is happening. But what kind of a world will you replace it with as this change occurs?

To answer that question you must have direction - the direction coming from a higher consciousness if you want the direction to be greater freedom, the direction heading towards greater slavery if not.

These posts had to be bumped.

I must admit that of all the members of this forum, perhaps I might be the one to benefit from its wisdom the most.

[Noelle]

While it is important to keep individual self centered. this "look with in" have been abuse and misuse that it tends to disconnect rather than unify. isnt looking around looking within the human family? isn't working with others working within the human the family? I'm afraid this "look within" will be use as an excuse to not work with others for common good. and the truth of the matter is that it is very difficult to keep centered in this chaotic world we will need to devote at least 50% of our efforts to keep centered. and that when the collective falls everyone falls with it no matter how centered we maybe.

Yes, looking within can be used as an excuse for not engaging in the physical world. But do not misrepresent my words. Balance is the key to maintaining one's center and growing. And unity in community cannot occur until unity within has first occurred.

By all means do engage in the world around you, do not withdraw; however, engage fearlessly with your head and heart also fully in the game. The perception of time passing more quickly is because change is happening. But what kind of a world will you replace it with as this change occurs?

To answer that question you must have direction - the direction coming from a higher consciousness if you want the direction to be greater freedom, the direction heading towards greater slavery if not.

I very much agree with you. Well said! Just to add something: I see this petition as consciousness in action, maybe collective consciousness in action is a better way to put it. Those who get behind the petition and sign it are helping to build a new reality or to catalyze transformation. Regardless of the petition's outcome, it helps grow the wave.

[Bubu]

While it is important to keep individual self centered. this "look with in" have been abuse and misuse that it tends to disconnect rather than unify. isnt looking around looking within the human family? isn't working with others working within the human the family? I'm afraid this "look within" will be use as an excuse to not work with others for common good. and the truth of the matter is that it is very difficult to keep centered in this chaotic world we will need to devote at least 50% of our efforts to keep centered. and that when the collective falls everyone falls with it no matter how centered we maybe.

Yes, looking within can be used as an excuse for not engaging in the physical world. But do not misrepresent my words. Balance is the key to maintaining one's center and growing. And unity in community cannot occur until unity within has first occurred.

By all means do engage in the world around you, do not withdraw; however, engage fearlessly with your head and heart also fully in the game. The perception of time passing more quickly is because change is happening. But what kind of a world will you replace it with as this change occurs?

To answer that question you must have direction - the direction coming from a higher consciousness if you want the direction to be greater freedom, the direction heading towards greater slavery if not.

no Joe i am not saying that you are making excuse i just got tired of it being use inappropriately that i have to make some comments in regard. and i agree with what you have said. that puts it in a better perspective. while i do not subscribe to "this maybe our only chance" and "we got twelve days" i do think its the right time to threw some punch and keep the pressure. its about balance but also timing.

[Eram]

About the petition (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/memo4trump-100-not-27-unity-act-against-deep-state-now).

I checked the numbers a few times today and sadly, yes, there is manipulation going on.
Some hours ago, the number was 1144 and now it is back at 1139.

[Eram]

About the petition (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/memo4trump-100-not-27-unity-act-against-deep-state-now).

I checked the numbers a few times today and sadly, yes, there is manipulation going on.
Some hours ago, the number was 1144 and now it is back at 1139.

Now it suddenly moved up to 1151.

I'm a total stranger to counters on websites, but I have been told once that these things take up a lot of communication space and that's the reason why for instance on youtube, view counts may lag every now and then.

Perhaps this is the case on the petition/whitehouse website?

[Bubu]

About the petition (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/memo4trump-100-not-27-unity-act-against-deep-state-now).

I checked the numbers a few times today and sadly, yes, there is manipulation going on.
Some hours ago, the number was 1144 and now it is back at 1139.

Now it suddenly moved up to 1151.

I'm a total stranger to counters on websites, but I have been told once that these things take up a lot of communication space and that's the reason why for instance on youtube, view counts may lag every now and then.

Perhaps this is the case on the petition/whitehouse website?

if there is enough reason to believe that its not rig, may i remind everyone that Robert has a request for us to cast vote simultaneously. Im not a fan of petitions but it only takes a couple minutes. surprises happen. anyone willing to put an schedule

[jms2112]

Signed it.