Shell and climate change

[Flash]

Weather or not (intended pun) you believe in climate change or not, Shell believed in it in 1990 and even before in the 80's.

Yet, they kept financing anti climate change groups since. One thing for sure: the no sayers are helping the petroleum industry, that they want it or not.

One's wonder if the anti climate groups/people haven't been either fully manipulated to promote the No change or unknowingly infiltrated... or if it is now with this video coming out that we are being manipulated.

Where is the truth?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmS0exb7r8

[ghostrider]

People can deny climate change all they want , nature in the near future will show the ugly truth of humanities actions ...

[joeecho]

Climate change has been around long before humans and will be around long after them. The earth, solar system, galaxy, and Universe is not a static place, change is certain regardless of what humans do.

While science should always strive for safer alternate energy sources it should not be driven by manipulations of any kind.

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[Bubu]

People can deny climate change all they want , nature in the near future will show the ugly truth of humanities actions ...

climate change is happening for sure' lets not blame it to CO2 though but rather to the weather manipulators.

[GrayWolfBG]

No matter what is giving the shove any student of climate will fully appreciate Mother N. can , and will , push much harder!

No matter who/what lit the blue touch paper the main event is surely just now unfolding?

We may have provided the slow 'drip,drip' forcing that has taken our Arctic ice but see what Mother N. will do with the albedo flip from reflecting over 90% back into space to capturing over 90% of that incoming energy ( 24 hrs a day over the Arctic summer!).

No matter who shoved us here our job has to be to try and figure what threats we face and how best to weather them?

From my personal perspective I have seen what the doubling of total precipitable moisture means in terms of extreme rainfall and this year Have seen such 'atmospheric rivers' keep the Arctic up to 20c warmer for the duration of the winter whilst bringing flood chaos around the N. Hemisphere. Whatever caused the atmosphere to warm is irrelevant now that it has warmed and is carrying so much more energy?

This year is our first year of facing an Ice Free Arctic Basin come September. The warmth of the winter, the youth of the ice and the fragmented state of the pack coupled with the lowest volume ever recorded for the time of year means a vulnerable pack. Not a year to know we are in the return period for the ;perfect melt storm' synoptics we last saw in 2007........ If we see a repeat then the ice will all be gone by August but that is not as important as the open water over Late May/June/July when the sun is at its strongest.

It was said that the low ice put as much energy into the system as the El nino back in 2016. If 2nd lowest on record brings us a Nino's worth of energy then how much energy , each and every year, will an ice free basin dump into the system?

Then you have the dimming that Chinese pollution must have caused above areas of the Pacific. China has reduced coal use over the past 3 years ( year on Year) and has , this year cancelled plans for 103 coal fired power plants. Is it really that odd that the PDO and IPO should flip positive ( AGW augmenting phases) 3 years ago as Chinese pollution stabilised and then began falling )( whilst clean air technologies continue to be rolled out). I spoke to a lass in Beijing 2 weekends ago and she was very pleased to see the AQI down in the threes ( low to moderate) as past winters the pollution had been really bad! If NASA, in the mid noughties, was correct in thinking regional dimming was taking as much as 50% of total warming then we could be seeing another warming spurt occurring over the Pacific these days?

And then all of our messing appears to have broken the Stratosphere as well with last years refusal of the QBO ( the 'old faithful of the stratosphere') to turn Easterly ( still westerly over a year later)

[ghostrider]

The problem began with A-bomb testing , which damaged the ozone layer... it's the source of genetic mutation, and now harmful particles from the suns rays are not filtered as they were, effecting plant life , increasing earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions ... Then enter man made weather modification, and the domino affect speeds up ... this was the main reason ETs ramped up their contact with humans, buzzing our nuclear sites wasn't enough, they don't want us repeating their mistakes of the past ... they claim a nuclear war in the distant past created Death Valley and the Gobi desert , their forefathers were just as insane as our leaders today ...

[Flash]

Thanks to all for your comments. What I also found interesting is the double talk of Shell and oil companies in general (all own in huge amount by remaining royalties). We have here the proof of their lies in our faces and yet, most people do notbelieve it. Their lies can be either way: climate change exist and is due to human activities and we will charge you the people for the clean up, even if in fact it is due to nature (lying to make us pay through guilt manipulations). Or climate change is not truly occuring which is their actual moto, and petrole can keep being used (the talk when we refuse to pay)either way, they cash revenues.

[silverfish]

Hi Flash
I feel we have been steered into this climate debate to distract us from the issue of pollution . When I was young, people were very concerned about pollution. i remember it being a huge concern . Now it doesnt seem to get discussed at all. When it is people just need to say the words global warming and then others disagree and we all get caught up in the squabble , distract ,distract, distract but the main issue, the poisoning of our plant and its people and animals is lost. The climate issue has been made to feel so big, too muddled or too difficult to respond to .The climate change argument pushes the responsibility for this mess onto the people for our life style, our demand for a higher standard of living. When in part that might be right it is also the irresponsible way that companies heartlessly plundered the earth with no regard for life polluting and poisoning everything in there path . Our distraction allows companies to carry on unaccountable . They are happy for us to be busy arguing about global warming , climate change so we ( public on mass ) dont see them dumping sh!t in the rivers, in the seas, in the soil and accruing huge profits
silver

[Fellow Aspirant]

"While science should always strive for safer alternate energy sources it should not be driven by manipulations of any kind."

Yeah! That's right! To heck with all those scientists doing climate science! To heck with them all! How dare they try to inform anyone?!?!

Cut their funding, I say! Cut all the EPA finding of climate change studies! It's just a bunch of scientists trying to manipulate how people think!

We'll show them we know better than them and all their stupid science!!!

B. :bigsmile:

[joeecho]

"While science should always strive for safer alternate energy sources it should not be driven by manipulations of any kind."

Yeah! That's right! To heck with all those scientists doing climate science! To heck with them all! How dare they try to inform anyone?!?!

Cut their funding, I say! Cut all the EPA finding of climate change studies! It's just a bunch of scientists trying to manipulate how people think!

We'll show them we know better than them and all their stupid science!!!

B. :bigsmile:

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Planet X approach is but one example of a potential player in the climate change game but that isn't real scientists exploring this, is it?